Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - TRUMP TRIAL VERDICT WATCH： DAY 2 - THE ROGUE JUROR THEORY

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00:00:23.020 this is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare

00:00:31.680 a commentator international social media sensation and former navy intelligence veteran this is human

00:00:43.280 events with your host jack persovic deliver us from after roughly four and a half hours of

00:00:48.860 deliberations yesterday the jury in donald trump's criminal hush money trial started back day two

00:00:54.460 with the readback of witness testimony before returning to deliberate they have to be unanimous

00:00:59.540 that the business records here were falsified and that is the crime that was charged with respect to

00:01:06.020 what makes falsification of business records a felony they also have to be unanimous that trump

00:01:12.560 intended to conceal a conspiracy to promote his own election in 2016 and they have to be unanimous

00:01:20.040 that he did so or that he the conspiracy was through unlawful means pennsylvania yesterday president

00:01:26.280 biden was there with vice president kamala harris rallying in philadelphia the event was the launch of

00:01:32.540 the campaign's planned outreach a big enthusiastic event speaking to black voters

00:01:37.920 because black americans voted kamala and i are president and vice president of the united states

00:01:45.640 because of you that's not hyperbole with respect to judge marchand i mean i feel like a man crush on

00:01:51.220 him he is such a great judge that it's hard to see that the jurors wouldn't have the same impression

00:01:58.300 and he's just you just keep on thinking if you looked in a dictionary for like judicial temperament

00:02:03.340 that's what you get but i just want to say that uh this is a very sad day for america the whole

00:02:09.300 world is watching and it's a very sad day for new york i've gone through two of these trials already

00:02:13.780 it's a very with the same kind of a judge it's all worked it's all rigged the whole thing the whole

00:02:19.120 system is rigged judge and gordon was overturned five times in my case and he's going to be overturned

00:02:25.480 again and we were treated very very badly and the outside world is watching and the outside world is

00:02:32.180 just not going to bring their business to new york and that's going to cost the city trillions and

00:02:36.900 the state trillions and trillions of dollars businesses are leaving and people are fleeing

00:02:42.520 what's the matter with you i have a reasonable doubt now 111 but what about all the other evidence

00:02:50.500 what about all that stuff the the knife the whole business well you said we could throw out all the

00:02:55.640 other evidence well what are we doing now you're alone i don't care whether i'm alone or not

00:03:12.040 it's my right it's your right

00:03:17.640 what do you want i say is guilty

00:03:29.720 you want to hear your arguments i gave you my arguments

00:03:35.500 we're not convinced we're not convinced we want to hear them again

00:03:39.920 not guilty

00:03:43.040 not guilty

00:03:48.160 ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard today's edition of human events daily here washington dc today is

00:03:57.480 may 30th 2024 anno domini

00:04:00.940 not guilty guilty acquitted never guilty always guilty

00:04:08.280 see it's very obvious what the media has done here

00:04:11.300 they have always held to the presupposition that donald trump is guilty remember donald trump has been

00:04:18.100 guilty to the mainstream media to the regime from day one since november 8 2016

00:04:26.100 2015 donald trump has been guilty in the eyes of every institution in this country they called him an illegitimate president they said from day one that he was a russian agent they ran false investigations against him claiming he was a russian agent they went after general michael flynn mike pence perpetuated that lie

00:04:44.940 they went after everything this man did

00:04:49.940 because the only thing donald trump is actually guilty of is beating them at their own game and standing up for the american people 0.97

00:04:58.940 but they'll claim he's guilty of everything they'll call him a rapist they'll call him a liar they're running around calling him a racist again yep trump is hitler again must be winning 0.50

00:05:06.380 every time trump is doing well they drop a new scandal on him and so the dirty little secret is this folks when you are living under a regime and when you are living in an era of regime politics you must understand 0.61

00:05:21.380 just like during covid that anything the regime tells you is going to be a self-serving lie this doesn't serve justice this doesn't serve the people and i'm shocked by the way that more americans are not calling it out for what it is this is a stalinistic show trial

00:05:43.380 and the leading candidate for the presidency of the united states has been taken off of the campaign trail by state force because of a lie and a ginned up political prosecution that's what we have going on here

00:06:00.380 my apologies

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00:06:25.380 you know they talk about influences these are influences and they're friends of mine

00:06:31.380 and they're friends of mine jack or so like where's jack jack he's done a great job

00:06:41.380 all right jack was so we're back live i'm here in washington dc but i want to take you live to the steps of the trump courthouse we've got andrew giuliani who just stepped out of that courthouse andrew tell us what's going on and tease out for us some more of this rogue juror theory the idea that there might be a loan holdout or potentially might be a loan

00:07:00.380 or potentially more holdouts uh that are going on what's the latest

00:07:05.380 yeah jack well a couple interesting things that happened this morning as the jury asked the judge mershon

00:07:11.380 to reread some of the instructions to them one of the instructions that the jury asked to have reread

00:07:17.380 was this unconstitutional idea of there really goes in the flies in the face of unanimous consent

00:07:24.380 i rarely read but i think this is too important to actually paraphrase uh judge mershon said although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant violated new york state election law

00:07:35.380 you need not be unanimous on what those unlawful means are you may consider the following

00:07:41.380 federal elections violations falsification of other business records or three the violation of tax law

00:07:49.380 uh jack that flies right in the face of 800 years of jurisprudence uh and really unanimous consent when

00:07:58.380 you look at it and and that's a little bit of what we were talking about yesterday the fact that that was reread to the jury today i thought was fascinating

00:08:06.380 it kind of goes into that theory of hey they don't all need to say that he violated tax laws they don't need to all say that he violated

00:08:13.380 federal election laws or that he falsified business records a couple can say this a few more could say that

00:08:20.380 and a few could say that and they can get to get to guilty that totally flies in the face of unanimous consent

00:08:25.380 and hence is unconstitutional in terms of the rogue juror theory i do have another piece of information

00:08:31.380 that happened today at one point while they were reading back the testimony of michael cohen

00:08:37.380 what cohen testified happened at the trump tower meeting in august of 2015 that same juror who just

00:08:44.380 the other day while steinglass was giving his hours-long summation put his head in his hands

00:08:50.380 and i think that's the same juror that the trump team is looking at he ended up looking at president

00:08:55.380 trump was the only one who was looking at president trump it was not with a scowl on his face during

00:09:00.380 that testimony uh and there's a little nugget that uh we have from inside the courtroom

00:09:07.380 so that's the same individual this is that rogue juror that would let's let's not say the juror number

00:09:12.380 right now um but this is that same individual you said yesterday head in the hands this was the one

00:09:19.380 that we're that uh there was a report yesterday talking about making the eye contact lighting up when

00:09:24.380 vance comes in the room and a polina luna now we're on day two we're getting we're getting pretty close

00:09:30.380 to the end of day two tomorrow's friday do we have any indication as to what or whether or not or what

00:09:38.380 those deliberations might be i'm sure they're taking test votes things like that what's your take

00:09:44.380 actually being there on the ground my take is this is going to last to tomorrow could even last to monday

00:09:51.380 um when you think about what they actually asked for what the jury asked to have read back the

00:09:56.980 testimony of pecker comparing that with the testimony of the uh proclaimed by todd banch greatest liar of

00:10:05.520 all time that being michael cohen so obviously we're comparing the two of those things right there i think

00:10:11.580 again that shows that at least there is some conflict in the jury box of course we don't know if that

00:10:16.480 conflict is 11 versus one we don't know if it's nine versus three that's all just speculation there

00:10:22.200 uh but i do think that this is going to take longer than this afternoon we're likely looking

00:10:27.440 into tomorrow if not into a new week and at this point mershawn if we get to tomorrow afternoon

00:10:33.300 mershawn's gonna have to take a look at the jury see how many are actually holding out

00:10:37.060 see what their reasoning is and make a determination whether or not he wants to go

00:10:41.480 to another week on this stuff or whether this thing's going to end up as a hung jury

00:10:46.100 all right andrew giuliani appreciate your doing the yeoman's work down there we'll come back to

00:10:52.800 you and the real america's voice team as we get more information appreciate it

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00:12:13.360 york young republicans gavin you're there you're in the city tell me what's the mood of the city as

00:12:18.740 we're waiting for the jury to come back well listen i think you obviously have a huge segment of the

00:12:25.780 population here the uh you know the readers of the new york times the members of the resistance

00:12:30.700 uh the so-called resistance movement of the liberal democrat machine here in new york they're obviously

00:12:36.480 uh waiting uh very patiently uh for a result that favors them and their political aspirations which

00:12:43.380 involve uh jailing uh the leader of the opposition so obviously that cohort of new york is certainly

00:12:48.880 very excited uh for the nonsense that's going on down at center street where the courthouse was

00:12:54.740 located but many other new yorkers whether they're trump supporters or even people on the fence they

00:12:59.460 obviously are uh you know waiting a little bit more anxiously hoping uh that you know the last

00:13:04.860 vestiges of our republic and our legal system and our constitutional order can be upheld maybe through

00:13:11.180 a hung jury maybe through one courageous soul who's willing to break through all the narratives and the uh you

00:13:16.680 know the the mass uh media uh narrative formation but you know i think a lot of people right now are

00:13:23.340 uh you know just sort of waiting anxiously i think the entire country's on edge new york especially

00:13:28.440 and now let's let let me get your you to weigh in on this because uh i know you haven't been covering

00:13:35.800 the trial directly but you know you've seen um you've seen a lot what's going on and been part of the

00:13:41.360 real america's voice coverage what is your sense on what we're calling today's episode the rogue

00:13:46.080 juror theory this idea that there may be this this juror who's a holdout that uh got through there

00:13:52.980 and just doesn't believe anything alvin bragg is saying and is actually favorable to the defense

00:13:58.540 yeah i mean i've heard one rogue juror i've heard maybe two that are skeptical we only need one i think

00:14:05.160 it's very plausible i think you know the longer this goes on without reaching a verdict the more uh you

00:14:10.420 know the stronger the possibility grows for a hung jury but listen i think the the judge is going to use

00:14:15.900 any and all tactics available to him uh whether they you know break precedent or not whether they

00:14:21.840 break you know hundreds of years of uh common law tradition i don't think he cares i think he has one

00:14:27.320 goal in mind and that is to convict trump by any means necessary i mean this guy has absolutely no

00:14:32.240 respect for the law i mean he's about as corrupt of a judge as they come uh not even born in this

00:14:38.240 country you know born in columbia moves here now he's you know presiding over a case uh to potentially

00:14:44.020 jail the leader of the opposition the leading candidate for the president united states i mean

00:14:47.720 this entire thing is a farce and it may come down to just one or two jurors i think there's a strong

00:14:53.060 and distinct possibility of that i mean listen if you're you're assembling uh you know 12 uh jurors

00:14:58.460 you know new york still has between 25 to 33 percent of the population citywide is potentially

00:15:05.280 republican or at least votes republican occasionally whether for trump or otherwise obviously in manhattan

00:15:10.700 that number is even less uh but there's still a slight possibility you could get someone who's

00:15:16.240 sensible on that jury who's not willing to go along and be pressured uh into a conviction but i think this

00:15:22.440 theory is only going to hold water if this goes on uh the longer this goes on for it's certainly going

00:15:27.580 to have to go into next week i know the process uh to do that involves a lot of back and forth where the

00:15:33.220 judge uh constantly tries to get a verdict out of them they would really have to stay strong

00:15:37.920 uh and committed uh to push through all the pressure that they're probably under this juror is probably

00:15:43.140 under from the remaining uh you know uh set of jurors but listen we're going to hope for a miracle

00:15:48.240 here and uh for the future of our country now that being said you know the different scenarios if he's

00:15:55.740 acquitted i think that's probably the biggest surprise um also probably the longest shot right now

00:16:00.900 uh a hung jury or a holdout if it were anyone else other than trump i don't know that i would bet on it

00:16:06.840 but with trump you can you can you can always bet on the unexpected what's your sense though let's

00:16:12.380 say he's found guilty do you think this will actually have an effect on the election no i actually

00:16:18.060 don't i think if anything it'll help him but i think most people have already baked into their you

00:16:22.340 know their preferences the fact that president trump is most likely going to be convicted uh i think you

00:16:27.800 know all the impact from these indictments and cases happened at the point of the indictment i mean at

00:16:33.280 this point i don't think a conviction uh would really make much of a difference i think it'll

00:16:37.780 embolden uh his base i think it'll actually potentially win over some people sitting on the

00:16:42.660 fence but i don't think it's actually going to move the needle anyone who is planning to vote for trump

00:16:46.460 uh as of today through all these indictments through all these criminal proceedings through the

00:16:51.200 civil case through all this nonsense you know i don't believe that there's really anyone that

00:16:55.400 any statistical number of people a statistically significant number of people would view the outcome of

00:17:01.540 of this trial in manhattan uh with a conviction and say oh i'm no longer voting for president trump

00:17:06.580 i think quite the opposite so uh while that's uh i think a good thing electorally i still think we

00:17:12.320 have you know this unprecedented situation where a president may be you know locked behind bars at

00:17:18.120 rikers i mean who knows what this judge is going to try to do uh right after uh you know a verdict

00:17:23.320 is reached and let's say it is a conviction so uh electorally i think we're in a pretty strong

00:17:28.060 position we got to continue to hold the line and be diligent uh but this judge is such a loose cannon

00:17:32.640 uh who knows what he'll do

00:17:34.160 yeah no i'm right there with you it's it's kind of the situation where we're playing the waiting game

00:17:41.400 of trying to figure out if we can read between the tea leaves with somebody making positive eye

00:17:46.240 contact or negative eye contact was this and it's it it's like you said i think it's just a joke

00:17:52.040 and i think the vast majority of americans look at this as an absolute joke there's no juice coming

00:17:58.480 out of this for the biden campaign they know this the juice has been squeezed because it's a complete

00:18:03.840 farce you don't have the goods stay tuned come back with more gavin wax new york city

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00:19:34.440 gavin wax we're back up on this verdict watch and i have to say that i genuinely genuinely generally

00:19:43.820 generally i generally agree with you because i think that this is kind of baked into it uh this idea that

00:19:51.900 that trump's team and his campaign as well as his legal team have accurately framed this as the

00:19:59.780 legal machinations of an out of control regime and so if this is a show trial that means the verdict

00:20:08.340 is presupposed we are we have a predetermined verdict there's a predetermined judge there's a

00:20:14.700 predetermined outcome and so if the outcome is predetermined and that's the outcome that occurs

00:20:19.820 that's not really something that anyone is going to be surprised by but and again i mean how many of

00:20:26.980 these trials and scandals and investigations of trump have there been since the man first actually

00:20:33.200 started running for office almost a decade ago i think i think and and let me throw it to you on this

00:20:39.320 i think the american people are not going to vote on the outcome of some ridiculous sham trial they are

00:20:46.760 going to vote based on how their bank accounts are doing based on how their country is doing and based

00:20:52.160 on how their families are doing i couldn't agree with you more jack i think president trump has

00:20:57.260 already won in the court of public opinion the court that really matters uh for this upcoming

00:21:02.500 election not this you know kangaroo court in lower manhattan uh so i have to give kudos to his team and

00:21:08.560 him him himself uh for being able to message on the issues that matter being able to frame this

00:21:14.680 correctly very few republicans would have been able to withstand these types of attacks uh that president

00:21:20.280 trump is under and again that's why the system is going after him to such a degree that's why they're

00:21:25.280 throwing their full weight at him because he's the only republican uh that could actually withstand

00:21:29.820 the full uh weight of this corrupt and rotten uh regime uh and still come on top winning still be

00:21:38.240 leading in the polls still being able to swing back and do it in a funny and uplifting way that's what

00:21:43.020 makes him such a powerful uh political figure one once in a lifetime really and very you know some

00:21:48.560 people still don't grasp that but hopefully people will start to recognize what time it is the type

00:21:53.380 of country we're now living in uh you know you could describe this as a banana republic you could

00:21:57.400 describe this as a lot of things uh but what's happening again in lower manhattan is an absolute

00:22:01.040 disgrace uh the the way that this judge has been behaving throughout this trial has been uh nothing

00:22:06.240 short of a disgrace and anyone who's been following this even on cnn of all places they've been

00:22:10.900 reporting on this and and and basically admitting that this case basically has no legs that it's very

00:22:16.780 weak uh and that the uh you know this entire prosecution uh is resting on the uh in resting

00:22:23.020 on the word of a known perjurer of a known fraud uh of an income poop known as michael cohen so even

00:22:29.280 if you're getting your news from cnn uh you probably saw a side uh of this uh entire trial that most

00:22:36.320 people would not want you to see because it actually shows how ridiculous it all is so i think most

00:22:40.720 americans have woken up i think we've had a complete destruction of trust in our institutions 0.90

00:22:46.160 over the last few years for better or for worse starting with covid and only accelerating since

00:22:50.780 then actually starting before covid accelerating through covid and continuing to the present day

00:22:55.700 uh so we're you know we're no longer a high trust society we're no longer a country with this great

00:23:00.740 amount of national unity or a national consensus we're a society that is becoming increasingly very

00:23:06.040 skeptical of our institutions we're no longer worshiping these institutions like we once did or

00:23:10.760 holding them in such high regard and maybe that's a good thing maybe that's a healthy response

00:23:15.060 uh to these elites that have really you know gone insane on their own power so what we're seeing

00:23:20.540 again on center street in lower manhattan uh is an absolute disgrace and i'm hoping i'm hoping

00:23:25.280 that we can at least get a hung jury uh out of this i think that would be the most plausible result

00:23:30.220 and the best result that we can hope for right now i think you're right i want to go quickly to

00:23:35.040 some comments here pixie cox writes i pray whoever is holding this up stands his ground and refuses the

00:23:41.240 pressure of those that want to do evil may there be one godly person who believes in the rule of law

00:23:47.080 and doesn't twist it 80s erin one juror has a truth social account that person is outside of the matrix

00:23:53.860 might be a digger who is well researched on deep state tactics we'll see look trump represents hope hope

00:24:01.240 for the american dream hope for our traditions and right now maga is holding on to the hope of this one

00:24:07.420 rogue juror standing up for the man who has stood up for us so many times and there really is something

00:24:14.520 about trump where he represents you know it's it's all this you know gavin and you know what i'm talking

00:24:20.640 about it represents this sort of nostalgia it represents a turn back to you know 1980s america

00:24:26.580 a more a more masculine america but in america where where women were free to be women at the same time 0.98

00:24:33.760 at a time where america meant limitless horizons and i mean gavin tell people what the symbolism

00:24:41.940 of 1980s new york and 1980s donald trump have combined well listen i mean trump was new york in

00:24:50.540 the 80s i mean that was a wolf of wall street that was you know just all these power brokers these

00:24:56.060 empire builders these tycoons it was all the excess uh of american capitalism at the end of the cold war i

00:25:02.980 mean there was a lot of good vibes like you said the horizon seemed limitless uh you know we were

00:25:07.760 building we were growing we were we were innovating uh it was a country on the move it was a country

00:25:12.600 moving forward it was a country uh that was basically reaching the zenith of its power you know we would

00:25:17.480 achieve that uh not much long after that with the fall of the soviet union in the early 90s of course

00:25:22.720 we know the story from there we squandered it we squandered pax americana shortly thereafter

00:25:27.600 opened the borders de-industrialized sent our jobs overseas got involved in countless forever wars

00:25:33.440 that you know just completely burned through american blood and treasure uh for nothing but you know the

00:25:39.360 80s the early 90s i mean that still was the peak that was when uh president trump was really uh coming

00:25:44.860 into his own as a national figure as a leader in business a leader in real estate uh and i think there

00:25:50.480 is an element of nostalgia there i think a lot of people particularly the younger generations but

00:25:54.460 also the older generations are yearning uh for an america that no longer exists it's an america that

00:25:59.300 they grew up in but no longer exists as the uh as the famous meme goes but i think you know that could

00:26:05.360 be used to our advantage i think people understand that the times we're living in are not are not normal

00:26:10.060 uh they're not exactly pleasant they're not exactly hopeful uh there's a lot of anxiety in the air there's

00:26:15.240 a lot of fear there's a lot of uh just just uh emotions running high for a variety of reasons and i think

00:26:21.280 people even if they're not exactly on top of the news on top of the latest events or following

00:26:25.940 everything as closely as you or i i think they recognize that something's not right something's

00:26:30.880 not normal and we're entering into some dangerous and scary and dark times for our country and western

00:26:35.860 civilization as a whole and they can gaslight about this all they want they can they can manipulate

00:26:41.000 the data and the statistics they can you know hector us and tell us that we don't know what we're

00:26:46.020 talking about but at the end of the day all of that is for not because people are waking

00:26:50.080 up it's reflected in the polls and it's reflected in the popular sentiment

00:26:53.520 and that's a huge part that they don't want to talk about they'd they'd much rather talk about

00:26:58.980 that and you go to uh i've got to get your response and i'll respond to this guy weissman

00:27:03.020 on over on msnbc he's got a man crush on judge juan rashawn saying oh these every ruling has been

00:27:09.280 fantastic i mean he's he is ecstatic this guy's like having an orgasm over on msnbc talking about how happy 0.78

00:27:17.000 he is that finally his show trial is going forward remember this is the guy that ran the muller 0.97

00:27:21.800 prosecution that was shut down who wanted to put trump on federal trial for these ridiculous

00:27:28.480 charges and now he's on msnbc just gushing absolutely gushing that the show trial is now

00:27:35.840 reaching its culmination gavin your take yeah listen i mean i i would i have a silver lining here i mean

00:27:42.280 weissman is kind of uh you know gives me a little bit of relief because he's such a caricature he's

00:27:46.860 such a joke he's such a sad excuse of the man i mean i really think these uh the people that are 0.87

00:27:52.620 really pushing this thing are high on their own supply they're full of hubris they're arrogant and

00:27:57.820 i think also they're just really overplaying their hand and it's a sign of incompetence i think

00:28:02.120 these are not the the most serious uh you know actors and and operators that we envision we think

00:28:09.280 some of the deep state i think these are extremely emotional uh extremely deluded individuals who are

00:28:16.180 you know driven by not only an ideology but just driven by emotion and uh you know like you said

00:28:22.520 this weird maybe this weird sexual angle we're not exactly sure but regardless these are not exactly

00:28:28.540 uh hey he said it man man crush he said it that's true he's what he went there if these are our enemies

00:28:35.620 you know i think we're in okay shape you know we could be dealing with far more serious uh individuals

00:28:40.960 but weissman just kind of shows and is the perfect encapsulation of uh the sort of uh you know a fed

00:28:47.600 liberal elite that have run this country and destroyed it and run into the ground you know they live

00:28:51.880 in places like new york san francisco chicago la dc etc they're very out of touch they're very

00:28:58.020 disconnected they live in a bubble they're in a cult that's why they project so much about you know

00:29:02.720 cults being the the maga side they're the ones in an actual cult uh you know they have no religion

00:29:07.620 they don't believe in a higher power so they've replaced it with this you know this this new

00:29:11.720 worship of of their you know ideological uh you know pillars of of nihilism and marxism and globalism

00:29:19.560 and every other ism you can imagine uh so i think you know they're dangerous in one hand because they're

00:29:25.000 so shameless and they're so uh you know out for blood but on the other hand these are deeply

00:29:29.840 unserious people these are people that are uh you know like we saw on that msnbc clip you know just

00:29:35.580 kind of laughable um but we still have to keep our guard up and we still have to understand that

00:29:39.900 we're fighting a not a rational enemy we're fighting an enemy that's willing to destroy the

00:29:44.360 entire country to hang on to power so if we can understand that calculus if we can understand the

00:29:49.240 time we're living in we'll be in much better shape the sad part is far too many republicans do not

00:29:53.960 understand the time we're living in they do not understand that calculus they're far more content to go

00:29:58.340 along to get along to appease their donors to make a buck to grift and just to ride uh you know this

00:30:03.620 thing to the bitter end but i think we need a new type of mentality that's going to go after these

00:30:08.360 people you know 10 times as hard as they came after us because that's the only way reciprocity

00:30:13.420 in real america reciprocity reciprocity we are the party of reciprocity and there's a reason that trump is

00:30:21.120 now up 10 plus points with independence in the new marist bull gavin wax thank you so much for

00:30:27.900 your work sir we'll be right back human events continues

00:30:30.600 jack where is jack where is jack where is he jack i want to see you

00:30:41.540 great job jack thank you what a job you do you know we have an incredible thing we're always talking

00:30:49.240 about the fake news and the bad but we have guys and these are the guys should be getting

00:30:53.940 all right jack was so big back live human events daily we go now back live to the steps of the

00:31:02.220 courthouse right on the street we've got the great ben burquam who's been there for the entire

00:31:07.100 duration ben let me let me hear it from you man what's your sense on we've been asking everyone

00:31:12.620 about this what's your sense on this rogue juror theory

00:31:16.420 yeah it's nuts i mean well it's actually not nuts it's it's it's it's almost like the analogy

00:31:23.620 with the whole thing is the situation is nuts yes it is it's all it's all nuts but it's it's just like

00:31:29.340 our southern border people say well why would anyone do that why would you allow open borders

00:31:33.340 on your southern border if you are a sovereign nation well clearly it's to destroy your country

00:31:38.160 from within and the same thing here to me is the exact same uh kind of analogy it's why would you

00:31:43.540 allow this smorgasbord choose your own adventure uh option for a jury well clearly it's because you want

00:31:50.140 the outcome that you set this entire trial up to get and that i don't see it any other way if you can say

00:31:57.000 well i think the crime was this someone else can say i think the crime was that a third person can say

00:32:01.700 i think the crime was this and somehow that's uh you know unity in a decision that's a unanimous vote

00:32:07.680 it's just insane i've never heard anything like that but it goes right along with what we have

00:32:12.480 here in this kangaroo court right behind me that uh it goes along with this the fact that joe biden

00:32:18.000 the democrats are simply using this to tear down president trump they don't even care they know

00:32:22.640 they're going to lose this on appeal i believe if they find president trump guilty that's the only

00:32:27.100 thing they care about is the word guilty conviction they can go out and say president trump is unfit for

00:32:32.900 office they're going to be able to campaign from now until november even if it gets overturned and

00:32:37.640 then the other side of that jack is then you've got the nikki haley's and the rhinos establishment 0.77

00:32:42.180 republicans of the world saying oh see we told you president trump shouldn't be the nominee we're

00:32:47.020 going right into the rnc convention we need to choose somebody else somebody more mainstream like nikki 1.00

00:32:52.620 haley and you're going to have that so it's twofold you're going to have the rhino establishment 0.69

00:32:56.860 backstabbing republicans and then you're going to have the democrats campaign on this they don't even

00:33:01.480 care they know it's a fraud they're just simply using it for their own political reasons

00:33:05.300 now so what about this idea then of a holdout you know maybe one holdout juror have you seen

00:33:13.820 anything like that do you know people are saying that um you know there was one juror who had his

00:33:18.560 head in his hands during the summation of the prosecution because it went on for five hours and

00:33:25.120 they're saying that there's a guy who was and it's the same juror who you know and obviously there's a lot

00:33:30.340 of tea reading going on but he was making eye contact with trump during the trial letting up

00:33:36.320 when jd vance and others came into the room what's your sense of that well like you said it's reading

00:33:42.820 through the tea leaves uh it i will say this being in the courtroom you get to read the juror the jurors

00:33:48.500 and uh my take on most of the jurors for most of the trial was mostly disinterest i mean you know i saw

00:33:56.140 them sometimes paying attention to the witness sometimes paying attention to the prosecution

00:34:00.780 sometimes paying attention to the defense but mostly they were as bored as i was i mean that's

00:34:05.860 the way i saw it uh i you know i my guess is that most of the jurors went in there with the expectation

00:34:12.200 uh that they were going to convict no matter what the big question as you said is is there one

00:34:17.140 and hopefully two you know one is one is great but two you have that that strength in numbers and you

00:34:23.280 can back each other up because if there's only one you know they're going to do everything they can

00:34:26.960 to wear that person down and try to get them to decide with them i do there there's no question

00:34:31.380 about it same thing i saw a juror when they were playing the tape of michael cohen praising alvin

00:34:36.840 bragg there was a female juror brunette female juror that looked at alvin bragg he was actually in the

00:34:41.700 courtroom that day two days ago and she looked at him and smiled and was as like smiling in

00:34:46.840 acknowledgement to alvin bragg so you have you definitely have that on the left from my my

00:34:51.800 interpretation uh but man i'm praying i'm praying hard that there's somebody in there with the

00:34:57.460 courage to do what's right so you're saying you actually saw the opposite take place that uh a

00:35:04.560 juror who i did i witnessed favorable and wait wait say that again she looked at alvin bragg or was it

00:35:09.780 at colangelo at alvin bragg so this was actually uh it wasn't colangelo doing the it was it was during

00:35:17.020 the defense and the president trump's uh attorney was giving the actually replaying michael cohen's

00:35:24.320 own words basically showing how he's profiteering off of this entire trial and the fact that president

00:35:29.320 trump has been gagged but this guy is making money and lying to everyone and they played the the audio

00:35:35.000 clip of michael cohen bragging about how great brag was that brag is tearing down president trump that

00:35:40.420 brag is going to put president trump in prison and then as that was playing i was sitting in the back

00:35:44.940 row of the courtroom i had a clear shot of her she was the fourth juror from the the the far side of 0.99

00:35:51.140 me in the front row and alvin bragg was on the left side of the courtroom he was second in on like the

00:35:56.160 second or third row and so i basically had a direct line of sight she looked she was listening to the

00:36:01.160 defense listening to the audio she looked directly at alvin bragg she smiled and shook her head and i

00:36:06.760 couldn't see what alvin bragg's response was but there was a clear direct interaction there

00:36:11.320 so smiled shook her head almost that no obviously alvin bragg's name is coming up in court but 0.90

00:36:20.140 did it appear to you as though there may have been some shit like some rapport there as if they had 0.96

00:36:27.920 maybe had had some kind of conversation outside the courtroom 0.93

00:36:31.020 i couldn't say that what it looked like to me was her saying i'm looking at him saying i like it i

00:36:39.900 agree with the audio i agree with what i'm hearing uh thank you it was kind of the acknowledgement that i

00:36:45.500 would do as president trump i do the same thing as president trump's walking out of the courtroom as

00:36:49.560 often as i can get eye contact with him i look up i shake my head i smile i say thank you to me it was

00:36:54.780 the same thing it was her saying thank you to alvin bragg

00:36:57.780 basically with the acknowledgement and you're saying this was specifically when cohen was talking

00:37:05.900 about trump going to prison correct correct so that's i mean that's absolutely huge so you've got

00:37:15.380 someone who's responding favorably to a phrase of someone saying a guy who's you know who's michael

00:37:21.800 cohen's already convicted perjurer liar just borrowed all this who's saying that his goal in

00:37:26.600 this walk me through again what exactly i feel like i'm the jury now i'm asking for the testimony

00:37:30.360 again um so what so he he's saying that what was the context of him saying trump would go to prison

00:37:36.180 in in that specific so it was one of his it was one of they were playing with the audio from one of

00:37:42.280 his tick tocks where he was celebrating basically what uh celebrating basically the fact that

00:37:49.300 president trump is finally going to be get the justice that he deserves that uh that uh alvin

00:37:55.200 bragg is the is the hero is the hero that that you know that is going to do it he is president trump

00:38:00.760 you'll always be president trump he is the president yes and he's going to be president again doesn't

00:38:05.300 matter what happens in there what's that he's no more president than obama is president you can call

00:38:10.300 obama president wait wait wait leave him on leave him on let him talk let him talk yeah come here

00:38:16.240 let him talk let him talk come on yeah come here well then come here we'll come here i don't need to

00:38:19.740 come there well you don't have to but you came and interrupted he wants to be famous let's make him

00:38:23.560 famous i tried i tried jack i tried me people want to be famous jack we tried people people want to be

00:38:32.280 famous until you actually say you want to have a conversation no this happens every time man they'll

00:38:37.380 come up and they'll say something snide and then you'll be like all right let's let's talk let's

00:38:41.380 talk it out so what was he saying he's not president trump yeah yeah he heard me say president trump and

00:38:47.960 he that was that so that was the definition of trump derangement syndrome we talked about it

00:38:52.540 with joyanne reid yesterday there was another example of it right there and i i should have followed

00:38:56.720 up with do you know you have trump derangement syndrome anyways but as that was happening so just to

00:39:01.740 get back on the question of what was happening it goes to but i will just say this real quick

00:39:05.260 based on what just happened it goes to show you that that's the basic mood of people when you walk

00:39:11.560 down the street in that jury pool of people when it comes to trump they don't even call him president

00:39:17.340 they get so mad they get so triggered they get so emotionally uh disturbed when they hear the words

00:39:24.160 president trump that they can't even acknowledge it and to hear someone say it causes them probably

00:39:30.460 physical anger and physical or physical pain and physical uh physical anguish because they had to

00:39:38.040 acknowledge that he this this is how gaslighted and psyoped and brainwashed so many of these people are

00:39:44.620 that to even hear someone use the phrase president trump causes them to react in such way he starts

00:39:50.580 screaming at you he starts yelling at you and i'm you know some guy you're just doing your work your job

00:39:55.740 standing there on the street um you know with the jury of people like this that's why i think a lot

00:40:01.120 of it comes down to the holdout juror uh last minute uh on you ben that's right yeah so that's it

00:40:07.660 again to answer the question there's no doubt you've got a jury 90 of the electorate uh the the electoral

00:40:13.920 body in this area are democrats there's no doubt they're mostly democrats on that again i witnessed

00:40:19.720 a direct interaction between one of those jurors and alvin bragg when michael cohen's testimony

00:40:24.400 was being played about putting president trump in prison again it's anecdotal who knows where

00:40:28.800 that goes but the prayer is that there are at least one if not two if not more and maybe some

00:40:34.400 that have their eyes open through this process that the entire thing was a political sham that's the

00:40:39.160 prayer all right ben burkwam stay safe out there man i don't really have to get you some security

00:40:45.400 it's gonna be gonna be more rough than a daring gap out there i got angel armies i got angel armies

00:40:50.520 everywhere i go brother angel armies brother all right god bless ben i'll talk to you soon

00:40:55.120 be right back folks human events daily continues never know what's gonna happen next

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00:41:08.920 all right guys we're back human events daily jack posopic live washington dc very excited to

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00:41:39.240 john why is it that my dad won't stop stealing my blackout coffee jack thank you for having me uh

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00:41:54.220 it's the brutal that's right it's he he watches he's a fan yeah it's a brutal awakening i don't know

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00:42:10.860 is actually one of our first roasts that we came up with uh we started about six years ago and we

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00:42:53.280 um yeah i mean we we started blackout coffee mostly because we couldn't find good coffee we

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00:43:29.280 you want to get into the conservative space obviously there's a lot of you know there's a lot of

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00:43:45.080 um everything that's going on and we are very conservative our our house we actually my wife

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00:44:21.660 right um our partner jared yanis he's also he's got a channel and he advocates for the two-way

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00:44:54.540 with the trump trial we're seeing all these crazy things going on in our country you know most of the

00:44:59.680 time i think i think americans you know you take take the politics and the personalities out of it

00:45:04.540 most people just want to see if we're in an election they want to see a fair election they

00:45:08.100 don't want to see somebody um getting persecuted and being gone after like this people would rather

00:45:13.380 say hey let's have a debate let's let's get some votes let's go do it but it seems like at some

00:45:18.540 point in our country we we we have this left that says we don't want the other side to even exist 0.98

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - May 30, 2024

TRUMP TRIAL VERDICT WATCH： DAY 2 - THE ROGUE JUROR THEORY

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