00:30:46.520you you worked your ass off in high school you wanted to become a wrestler and then you did man
00:30:51.960i did it and you you you rose through the ranks right but you were you came into the wwe you got
00:30:57.080signed as a as a professional wrestler in the biggest professional professional wrestling
00:31:00.760organization very quickly vince mcmahon called you his prodigy prodigy i don't even know if we
00:31:07.300could say his name i don't know it's 2026 dude so i don't know if you know this but this weekend
00:31:12.340they actually did a ufc event over on the white house lawn so i and uh dude i'm pretty sure you
00:31:18.420can say pretty much yeah there's some crazy stuff the one guy said michelle obama's a man that
00:31:22.760happened on the white house lawn that was alarming yeah that was that was if he didn't say that0.78
00:31:28.520it's just so corny like just fucking just win the fight and say something normal this is like yeah0.70
00:31:33.320just why that though because there's a whole like super corny like that's pretty deep like world of0.96
00:31:39.280like twitter and they talk about this like that one's just weird that one's just weird she's not
00:31:44.340a man it's corny like that's where it ends for me it's corny like she's definitely there's like a
00:31:47.860beef he just has like no no no do you know the story about it i don't know we don't have to get
00:31:52.940into it i don't know there's a whole story there she's so yeah so look good he vince mcmahon called0.93
00:31:57.420you his prodigy you came in here you started kicking ass quickly you had this like kind of
00:32:04.220like meteoric rise you you were on par to be the next guy money in the bank winner wrestled John
00:32:12.880Cena beat John Cena at Wrestlemania talk to me about coming into the WWE and being thrown into
00:32:21.320the deep end at such a young age so I remember my time in NXT and it was like kind of just I felt
00:32:29.140like I was there you know and then something started to work when I was in the group the way
00:32:33.440I just started being, you know, like showing more of my humor and being more funny, you know, showing that.
00:32:40.140And then I feel like that's kind of the tip of it for me in NXT.
00:32:44.220And then when I got to the main roster, I didn't even kind of realize like Vince was like pushing me and behind me until like I remember when I won the U.S. title and I became the youngest U.S. champ.
00:32:56.200But at the end of that match, Vince wanted all the heels to come out, hold me up in the ring.
00:33:01.300and then as i left the ring he came out at the end on the stage and held my arm and i think in
00:33:07.020that moment i was like whoa like something's going on here like we're going places you know
00:33:13.580but um yeah i feel like i always knew like i would i would do great things here but just not
00:33:21.140the detail of them you know i mean it's been a crazy ride you know it's been nuts but i guess
00:33:29.040like anything in life you know you have the ups and the downs and I really feel like kind of coming
00:33:34.500down a little bit and just kind of reflecting and figuring out like where can I be better what could
00:33:40.160I do okay maybe I need to switch the character and I need to do something else and just I think
00:33:47.300that's just always the thing you're trying to you know be fresher on because we're on TV every week
00:33:52.220so it's like trying to give somebody something different all the time but yeah that was a that
00:33:58.600just that time period specifically i believe that was between like like the end of 2021 and then
00:34:04.1202023 but crazy do you feel like you got robbed when you didn't secure the money in the bank cash
00:34:11.340in yes you do yes yes i will say like it uh i'm gonna go and run the play always you know if
00:34:22.480we really needed to be this way. I think for me, I just felt like, you know, even with the moment
00:34:29.380I had with Roman, I believe it was at maybe Barkley Center. And he hit me with the, your
00:34:35.200daddy's not here anymore. In that moment, I wanted to say the same thing to him, you know, because
00:34:40.080in a way it's like, he's a Vince guy as well, you know, not in a way he was, but I felt like,
00:34:47.600yeah, just, there could have been a moment. Like I knew like we, I wasn't going to get the title
00:34:52.000off roman but even just building it to seem like oh here we go and then you know i can lose them
00:34:58.300whatever yeah you know but like just give it more of a payoff because it felt cool man like i did a
00:35:03.000lot of cool things with it um and i still think it's funny how like i have it in my uh office
00:35:07.820hanging and it's real dented and i love when people see it and they're like bro you murdered0.96
00:35:12.400people with that huh i'm like no brock lesnar murdered me with it and it sucked crazy you you
00:35:20.000brought up before that john cena was a big inspiration for you growing up or maybe like
00:35:24.680the inspiration what was it like walk us through what it was like defeating john cena at wrestlemania
00:35:30.04039 man that whole process was crazy like even the the promo like talking to him uh i even went down
00:35:37.220to his gym and we had dinner and we were talking and everything and uh i just remember him telling
00:35:42.940me he's like you're not a bad guy like i want you to be you and i remember just being so confused
00:35:49.000because i was like man i'm like this like obnoxious over the top cocky hill and he's like i feel like
00:35:55.260that's not going to last too long like you got to be yourself and i was like how do i do this like
00:36:00.080you know like i'm a bad guy and uh i even remember him telling me it was after that match at mania
00:36:05.600and um that that match like to me i have a picture as a kid holding my little brother and i had a
00:36:11.560cardboard cut out a scene in my room and that was always my dude so like just having that match with
00:36:17.460him and like how like awesome he was through the whole experience um yeah that'll just stay with
00:36:23.200me forever and something cool too like my grandfather's always taken the father figure
00:36:27.940role for me and when I was a kid he told me because he knew I always wanted to be a wrestler
00:36:32.240he's like all I ask from you is when you face John Cena that I get a hot dog and a coke in the
00:36:39.540crowd when that happens and I told my girl that day and she brought it to him and like god crazy
00:36:45.000moment you know what i mean but um yeah after the match i remember cena telling me he was like hey
00:36:50.520i went and talked to vince and i told him you're not a bad guy so hopefully that helps you become
00:36:55.960a good guy and i was like let's see you're still a bad guy i'm a bad guy your cena impression is
00:37:03.560actually pretty funny yeah it's actually pretty accurate yeah he's he's awesome man he's he's
00:37:08.440incredible incredible he's like a like a high advanced computer on another level like he just
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00:37:50.120know there's a lot of them to listen to these days how are you gonna get to us well there's
00:37:54.060a specific reason why you should listen to us we are the best podcast in the entire world I swear
00:37:59.600I know bold but why don't we list some of the things we might talk about on a regular episode
00:38:04.700So sometimes we'll talk about, I don't know, the Uber driver we just had.
00:38:08.440And how nice they were, or if we tipped them or not.
00:51:10.080i'm not even passing i'm failing listen to no safe words with october and tony gonzalez part
00:51:14.780of my culture podcast network available on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you
00:51:21.600get your podcast i don't i don't know if it's so rare it's so rare but like yeah it happens but
00:51:26.900you know what i'm saying you know what i'm saying from a theoretical theory as a theory as a theory
00:51:30.920one of my favorite things is uh i actually heard it yesterday because sometimes i'll listen to
00:51:36.120music when I train, but sometimes I find like these cool videos on YouTube where it's like a
00:51:40.460mix of just like motivational people saying like cool things. Oh, that's kind of cool. And it's
00:51:45.140kind of like for anybody, right? Like music, like I could share a song with you and you're like,
00:51:48.800oh, it doesn't hit for me. But there's a certain thing in that song that hits for me. It's the
00:51:52.160same thing with those videos. I hear like one guy say something and it hits. And I remember I was
00:51:56.380doing like the shoulder workout yesterday and there's just like a puddle of sweat under me
00:52:01.080And I was feeling good. And I just remember David Goggins on the video. He goes, only an hour of your day you have to spend working out. Just an hour. That sucks. In your day, out of your whole 24 hours, you got 23 left. Just one hour. Just do what sucks for one hour. And look what you'll get, you know?
00:52:20.900and then i love this other guy he said stacking days just stack days bro like no matter how
00:52:25.920you know uh dark things get with a injury or whatever's going on in life just stack days
00:52:31.960one at a time yeah get a little little better at something each day but it doesn't have to be
00:52:36.200everything you know then i noticed too i wonder with you as well like sometimes do you feel like
00:52:42.420you're trying to do too much like you're trying to be good at everything you know i feel the
00:52:48.200opposite yeah i feel like i'm not doing enough well i guess like i kind of mean that in a way
00:52:54.060but you're just trying to be good at everything but you're there's always more to do you know
00:52:59.320yeah he's an anomaly dude no i'm not i'm not you kind of are mr beast is an anomaly no because
00:53:05.080mr beast can't but also body slam a man through a table he can't he's really good mr beast is
00:53:11.260the best of all time greatest of all time at making videos with high retention rates on youtube
00:53:17.200no one will ever he's absolutely incredible dude you are just like i'm gonna do the biggest pokemon
00:53:23.580thing i'm gonna have the biggest podcast i'm gonna smash this dude through a table i'm gonna box0.75
00:53:28.460floyd mayweather i'm gonna do it's crazy and then you just do all the things i hate to glaze you
00:53:32.600because i know it always i always get called out for it but it's true is it not true theory it's
00:53:37.540very true it's not a theory it's yeah yeah i see what you're saying no i mean anomaly bro i thank
00:53:43.300you for saying that mike uh no i uh i i feel like personally i kind of have to i have a bit of like
00:53:50.260occupational add like i just i got it my mind got it got to be bouncing around and staying busy and
00:53:56.200doing stuff i feel that i mean i'm i'm super goal-oriented um hyper-driven my my my did have
00:54:04.020a great father figure who just instilled like just a gnarly work ethic in me and a lot of the
00:54:11.820times growing up shit kind of did suck i was doing work that i didn't like and so when i found
00:54:17.980something i did like like wrestling or sports or like content creation working hard then came easy0.94
00:54:23.200because i knew how to work hard and stuff i didn't like imagine how hard i could work on stuff i did
00:54:27.940i do like sure you know yeah um but yeah man i feel like i'm not doing enough especially now0.98
00:54:35.780with this fucking bum ass tricep let me ask you when you have like a like before the injury when0.99
00:54:41.140you have like that off day where you don't have to hit the gym and you have less like1.00
00:54:44.780task you have to fulfill like do you still feel like like what am i doing always dude same always
00:54:51.440i'm like bro your body is so sore i know i know chill but then i'm like am i missing the
00:54:57.720opportunity yes you know what i mean yes yeah it's crazy it's like a it's like a sickness in a way
00:55:02.820a hundred percent yeah but it's also it's also why it's why you are where you are that's so
00:55:07.540have that thing yeah both of those things are true because even as someone who doesn't do the
00:55:11.660what you guys do on the physical side like i obviously do a lot on the other side i i get
00:55:17.520that it's really hard for me to ever like relax and like enjoy any type of simplicity or boredom
00:55:23.180or like and dude people would just be like yo let's go like fish and or go do this or whatever
00:55:29.060and like i get there and i'm just like damn man like i think about that thing dude i should be
00:55:33.280doing this thing right now and this thing it's actually kind of messed up but to but to your0.86
00:55:38.580point it's also the reason it's the reason why we're here right now it's the reason why you guys
00:55:43.220are the undisputed can't deny it tag team champion you know what i'm saying like that is why i remember
00:55:50.520seeing this thing uh not too long ago um don't quote me on this but i think it said like people
00:55:56.700that are under like 10 body fat it's like two percent of the population and to me i would think
00:56:04.240it's even less than that but that's that's insane it's crazy but then it you know it makes sense
00:56:08.440because it's like well those are the people that you know it's easy to for a lot of people to sit
00:56:13.140around and not do anything you know but it's like for that small percentage it just like eats you
00:56:18.300alive when you feel like you're just wasting time because the clock never stops you know i know so
00:56:23.620it's like whatever you want out of this life like and this is something too within the last few
00:56:29.380years I feel like I've always like especially with the wrestling dream felt like anything you
00:56:34.160want you can have but like within the last few years like even I'd say after the during the
00:56:40.140hernia surgery I like really realized like wow like I really can do and have anything that I want
00:56:45.880you know and I like remember seeing uh Kanye in an interview and this is like old and the guy's
00:56:51.920like he's like i could be in the nba if i want and the guy's like no you can't he's like yes i can
00:56:55.960he's like no you can't he's like yes he's like because my mom said i could be anything i want
00:56:59.480to be but it's so true bro like if and you know it like if you believe it it's yours yeah
00:57:04.400khan is like the the most the biggest case of like that delusional optimism and manifestation
00:57:10.300but he's also a really strong case of anti-semitic hatred he's also he's also a really good strong
00:57:18.700case of uh how important it is to have that that parental figure in your life connie's mom told him
00:57:28.240his entire life you are going to be the best in the world you are going to be whatever you want
00:57:33.040to be because you are the best you are the best you're a genius you're the strongest and that's
00:57:37.480literally how he ended up being having that belief set in his life you know and unfortunately for a
00:57:43.200lot of people they grow up without that parental person in their life you know and and almost have
00:57:49.280to create that from scratch yeah and that doesn't work for everybody you know what i'm saying yeah
00:57:55.660i feel like i noticed like for me it was like you know my dad was like a different story but
00:58:00.500i feel like if my dad wasn't how he was like i wouldn't be who i am you know and even too like
00:58:08.160uh i hadn't talked to him since i was i would talk to him kind of on and off when i was younger
00:58:13.280uh but then the last time was when i was 18 and then um i remember when the time i had out
00:58:19.460it felt like just a time of like getting everything off my chest and i was like
00:58:23.620i think i'll call him because i don't talk to him at all i was like maybe i'll call him so then i
00:58:29.320called him and uh his mom picked up and he's like he lives at his mom's house still and uh he he's
00:58:36.540been in prison a lot. Um, the last time he was like 50, I think he's like 53 now. And, um, I
00:58:43.380kind of just wanted to tell him like the first thing I said, I was like, Hey, I just want you
00:58:46.560to know, like, I don't hate you. Like, I don't have any hard, heavy feelings towards you. I was
00:58:51.900like, this is obviously like been a heavy thing on me in my life. I was like, but I really feel
00:58:55.680like I need to be the man to like do this, you know, and just be at ease. And I kind of remember
00:59:03.020after that and he might even see this but I remember him kind of saying like hey like take
00:59:08.200your time however you want to do this and talk and stuff and I think for me like that was it
00:59:12.800you know like I don't there's just not really anything else there for me but I think I just
00:59:17.600wanted to like get that off my chest because my whole life I was like searching for like
00:59:22.020like who taught me how to be a man and I even remember on the phone asking him you know I was
00:59:27.420like who taught you how to be a man and he was just kind of like I mean his dad was not the best
00:59:32.580and then his dad's dad wasn't the best. So, you know, it's kind of like domestication growing up
00:59:38.100for him. Right. But it led to me and my thing is just like, I just don't want to hold like a grudge
00:59:43.500towards somebody or feel like I really like hate somebody. And I went years trying to figure that
00:59:48.140out. Like, you know, dang, like this guy's got his dad and like, he gets that advice and he's
00:59:53.220got that support and it's, it's different, you know, like you have your mom, but like having
00:59:56.940your dad, I feel like it's a different thing. So getting that off my chest, it just felt great.
01:00:01.640you know what i mean and uh like i said i was trying to figure out like who taught me how to
01:00:06.140be a man and then i kind of realized like i did um because like my uncle i noticed with him uh he
01:00:12.700passed away as well but i noticed with him like there was like trying to like be something to
01:00:19.420everybody but it was honestly like a insecurity i think and then i felt like with my grandfather
01:00:26.040and my grandmother my grandmother would kind of grab the the horns a little more um but I consider
01:00:32.420my grandfather more of like the father figure in my life but I think me just learning the lessons
01:00:37.700you know what I mean from like Matt Chambers at the gym and like you know just traveling the indies
01:00:43.900and uh I don't think I ever told you this but like when I joined my wrestling school in Atlanta at
01:00:49.86018 it was in the back of a strip club like it was a magic city it was club wax so very like
01:00:58.700bad area but um just like putting myself in those situations of like yeah there's a bunch of dudes
01:01:05.400out front and they have guns you know but I'm gonna walk past them to get to this wrestling
01:01:09.540school because I have this dream and like go to the gym every day and like just put it on my back0.98
01:01:14.060and even when the you know the hernia thing happened I was like well I mean you knew where
01:01:18.300you were before, you know, you've seen the top of the mountain and you've, you know, kind of in a
01:01:22.660way fell. And now it's like, it's up to you, man. Like it's up to you to work out every day. It's
01:01:27.860up to you to put in the work. And I remember one day, um, during that time I was out, I would like
01:01:33.660write all my workouts on a piece of paper in the garage and I would tape them to the wall, flip it
01:01:37.780over right on the back and have like my back day, leg day, chest day, like all these workouts. And
01:01:42.680then one day I walked in there and I was kind of down. And then I just looked at the paper and I
01:01:46.360took them all down and it was like over 70 workouts and i was like bro give yourself some
01:01:50.660credit man yeah like you know but i think where i finally land with all that and i kind of said it
01:01:55.600is just like i just feel like i taught myself how to be a man you know what i mean i love that
01:02:00.600that's amazing that's amazing you're you're a great example of of accountability dude and
01:02:06.540self-accountability and also like it sounds like even at your to me young age you've you've
01:02:12.840developed uh this understanding of like silver lining in in the the struggles of life and and
01:02:18.960the things that you learn from not having dad around and things that you learn from the injury
01:02:22.880and uh as kanye said to quote him again everything i'm not made me everything i am you know and you
01:02:29.220you know you you did these things to to make yourself proud and to drive your own life not
01:02:35.480to make somebody else proud so i mean you're fucking awesome dude thank you bro appreciate0.59
01:02:39.840that agree it's it's a it's super noble bro it's uh the maturity is admirable it also sounds like0.82
01:02:46.740you and i i really admire this it sounds like you are going to be the one to kind of break that
01:02:51.280generational chain of the lack of what it means to be a man and fatherhood what that responsibility
01:02:59.600entails which is is super admirable because uh at some point in your lineage a chain's got to be
01:03:06.040broken yeah you know I remember seeing like because my grandfather has always put like the
01:03:11.260whole family on his back and like he worked and worked and like he'd bring the check home to my
01:03:15.420grandmother and be like do whatever you want but he works and works and like he's even retired now
01:03:20.020and he still shows up to the same job he gets up at 4 a.m does the same thing but that same work
01:03:25.260ethic is in my mom like I saw my mom struggle with me and my sister like so much you know and
01:03:30.480My dad would send like $9, $18 in child support just to be like a slap in the face, you know, but my mom made it work.
01:03:38.920And like, I'd say with my mom, she's more like, uh, she wants to keep you boxed in and safe and don't take the risk.
01:03:45.880Like, I even remember I got the opportunity to go to Mexico and wrestle.
01:03:49.280And that was like, you know, being somebody that's an independent wrestler.
01:03:52.860If you wrestle in Mexico, that makes you an international wrestler now.