Impaulsive with Logan Paul - DRAMA： FROM ROB & BIG TO YOUNG & RECKLESS - IMPAULSIVE EP. 38

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00:02:04.500 Peace.

00:02:05.680 Robin Big especially, and Fantasy Factory too, but Robin Big was such a phenomenon.

00:02:11.440 Like when MTV was at the biggest, and it was this different thing for MTV,

00:02:15.740 and like it's so weird to now look back at it and be like, man, I was a part of something crazy.

00:02:22.380 what you got there mike this is the occupancy agreement that me and me and andre were just

00:02:33.960 asked to sign uh i've been here for four months i had to sign mine i think about six months ago

00:02:40.020 i don't know it's a roommate agreement my lawyers made me do it it's not my decision it's respectable

00:02:44.420 This number two is what I really like.

00:02:50.140 You have not granted me a room at this house.

00:02:53.160 You've granted me a revocable, non-exclusive license to use on a month-by-month basis, a portion of the property.

00:03:01.580 It sounds so much more legit than a room.

00:03:06.400 I'm not your roommate.

00:03:07.400 I'm your irrevocable licensee.

00:03:10.620 Incredible.

00:03:11.180 Shout out to Duncan my lawyer

00:03:14.260 Great job Duncan

00:03:15.120 Why you structure it like that I feel bad

00:03:16.920 You could have just said room

00:03:18.140 It doesn't specify which portion of the property

00:03:22.260 Like technically you could live anywhere

00:03:24.080 Anywhere I want

00:03:24.780 You could live in my bathroom 1.00

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00:03:28.720 Yo by the way 0.98

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00:03:37.100 Thanks man 0.95

00:03:38.400 So fucking lenient dude 0.97

00:03:39.920 What am I going to do in three days, bro? 1.00

00:03:41.840 I moved across the country to this shithole. 0.99

00:03:44.180 What am I going to do? 0.99

00:03:44.960 Go back to Stanford, Connecticut?

00:03:46.540 Three days.

00:03:47.180 Mom, I'm home.

00:03:48.120 You'll figure it out. 1.00

00:03:48.940 I have a renter in my fucking condo in Connecticut. 1.00

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00:03:52.960 Welcome back to Impulsive, the number one podcast in the world.

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00:04:13.840 Hey Big Mike

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00:04:33.480 Guys

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00:04:36.340 He is the culmination

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00:04:43.520 Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Paff,

00:04:45.120 a.k.a. Drama.

00:04:46.980 Ch-ch-ch-ch-drama.

00:04:48.420 What an intro, man. Did you write that intro?

00:04:50.560 Yeah, I did. I did, bro.

00:04:52.260 The culmination of forward thinking and awesome shit. 0.99

00:04:55.180 That was very flattering. That was deep. 0.99

00:04:56.380 It comes to my mind. I came in feeling real good.

00:04:58.260 Yeah, I know, bro. You look good. Thank you, man.

00:05:00.480 Thank you. Yeah, first time meeting you in a person,

00:05:02.200 you got a glow to you. I can feel it.

00:05:03.880 Thank you. I've been working on my health.

00:05:05.980 Oh, really? Yeah. I was super unhealthy for a long time,

00:05:08.340 smoking cigarettes just oh you stopped yeah stopped been working out trying to get my life

00:05:13.140 together amazing you just said you just said a key word that i liked i know that we're ohio brothers 0.92

00:05:17.460 ohio fucking brothers what part of ohio are you from cleveland i'm from akron that's close very 0.89

00:05:23.220 close neighbors damn i thought you guys were from like columbus or something nah nah nah we're like 0.99

00:05:27.080 probably what high school did you go to coventry i went to westlake yep i've heard of coventry 0.94

00:05:32.720 yep but yeah dude ohio boy all right here we are wait it's we're smoking cigarettes like an

00:05:37.820 Ohio thing to do yeah I mean it's probably stereotyping I probably shouldn't do that but

00:05:42.220 yeah like I was just like a skater chain smoking cigarettes and you know when'd you stop that's

00:05:46.960 just hard to quit I stopped a few years three years ago and then you what ate unhealthy too

00:05:51.860 you know eating is like the last and final straw right like I'm decent I'm like medium right now

00:05:56.720 um but I've been working out and uh you know just trying to be like a good function I'm 32 now so

00:06:01.980 like you can't be wow 30s club go you look you look young though thank you man i get that a lot 0.96

00:06:07.940 too thank you how old are you 34 bro i'm like i'm like young signing up for medicare and shit bro

00:06:13.380 it's a wrap but it's a great it's how it feels right it's great it's great medicare he's got 0.84

00:06:17.940 platinum insurance if you turn your hat backwards you should probably shave another like five years

00:06:21.840 yeah yeah that's why i do this they say are you 24 i'm like add 10 nice try though you ever

00:06:28.180 Do you ever consider it going vegan?

00:06:30.200 Spencer's vegan.

00:06:30.960 Me?

00:06:31.260 Yeah.

00:06:31.520 I don't know if I could do it.

00:06:33.060 It's so serious.

00:06:34.040 Are you the only vegan one?

00:06:35.920 No, he's vegan as well.

00:06:38.140 Yeah, I don't know, man.

00:06:38.920 I'm baby stepping.

00:06:40.020 Like, I don't do like fast food and that stuff anymore, but that's like a big deal for me.

00:06:43.740 You know what I mean?

00:06:44.240 So vegan is like, but I watched that documentary.

00:06:47.240 Which one?

00:06:47.840 What the Health? 0.92

00:06:48.240 What the Health.

00:06:48.800 Yeah.

00:06:48.980 And like, I kind of got on the bandwagon for a week, you know, of like, this is terrible.

00:06:52.600 We got to stand up for this.

00:06:53.680 And then like, fell apart.

00:06:55.080 It's tough, dude.

00:06:56.260 See, it's a send.

00:06:58.180 How long have you been doing it?

00:06:59.580 Three and a half years.

00:07:00.700 Jesus.

00:07:01.200 So you're committed.

00:07:01.980 He's in.

00:07:02.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:03.320 My biggest concern, because while it is tough to do,

00:07:07.420 my biggest concern was the inconvenience that it made my life

00:07:12.800 and also my friends' lives.

00:07:14.440 Like, bro, when we're traveling.

00:07:15.980 Oh, yeah.

00:07:16.580 How do you do that?

00:07:17.520 You, like, pack little bags or something?

00:07:19.680 Honestly, a lot of it's, like, if you're traveling for a long time,

00:07:23.740 you sometimes either just have to fast and not eat.

00:07:26.860 yeah or um yeah you just got to find a vegan restaurant or somebody that just can whip

00:07:31.480 something up see my problem you can find it though my problem is i'm skinny right so it's so

00:07:35.360 hard for me to put on weight so as i'm working out i'm like chugging protein shakes i'm trying

00:07:39.600 to put on weight so i can't fast you gotta have to like have little snacks and what about like

00:07:44.360 masking her i did masking her in high school that's what i do skinny oh for real i do i do two

00:07:48.860 of them a day that are like 700 calories your metabolism must just be like rocket speed man

00:07:54.280 And nobody, obviously, like, sympathizes with me, right?

00:07:56.840 I do.

00:07:57.700 Thank you.

00:07:58.100 I do, bro.

00:07:58.600 Thank you, man.

00:07:58.880 I'm a tall, skinny guy, too.

00:08:00.520 And I did his vegan diet for one month.

00:08:04.180 You're not skinny, bro.

00:08:05.960 I'm sorry.

00:08:06.880 You're not skinny.

00:08:08.060 I don't think a single person would describe you as skinny.

00:08:11.500 Maybe not skinny, but I mean, like, a slenderman, kind of.

00:08:14.700 No, bro. 1.00

00:08:15.980 Shut the fuck up, right? 1.00

00:08:18.180 Maybe like a husky man. 1.00

00:08:19.920 So I did this.

00:08:20.840 I did vegan for one month, dude.

00:08:22.160 And I lost four, 45, 50 pounds, I think.

00:08:27.300 It was horrible because I was eating.

00:08:29.020 Just all we were eating was like branches.

00:08:30.820 Did we miss something, bro?

00:08:31.860 When was this?

00:08:32.800 Last month.

00:08:33.760 You lost 45 to 50 pounds.

00:08:35.340 I think you said you lost like four to five pounds.

00:08:38.080 Yeah.

00:08:39.000 Yeah, okay, okay.

00:08:40.980 Can I just add two to the fans out there?

00:08:43.320 I didn't bring this conversation up this time.

00:08:45.320 So don't hate on me.

00:08:47.240 He's mad.

00:08:47.980 That's true.

00:08:48.320 He's mad, Chris, because they call him soy boy.

00:08:50.220 I am not mad.

00:08:50.740 Like the fans do you say that?

00:08:51.840 does he bring it up a lot like oh if you were vegan that wouldn't happen uh no not really no

00:08:56.940 no good i let people embrace what they want to do i mean like i'll bring it up just because like

00:09:01.020 i'm passionate about it but at the end of the day like you're not one of the vegans that like

00:09:04.380 judges and it's like you know those are the worst people he doesn't he doesn't judge but like i speak

00:09:10.740 my truth even when i'm eating meat and he's not judging like to me he's judging you know what i'm 0.87

00:09:15.980 saying like it just always feels like i'm doing something fucked up like when i'm cutting into 0.86

00:09:20.260 a nice juicy ribeye. 0.96

00:09:21.960 I know, dude.

00:09:22.540 That's your own conscience.

00:09:23.260 I don't think so.

00:09:24.320 I've been cutting a steak one day

00:09:25.660 and I just, you know,

00:09:26.420 took a glance over the shoulder.

00:09:28.040 You were 20 feet down the hall

00:09:29.080 peeking out a corner

00:09:29.820 and staring at me.

00:09:30.960 Like this, like this, look.

00:09:33.560 I mean, it happens.

00:09:36.040 Man, you have judgy eyes, man.

00:09:37.520 He does.

00:09:38.480 So listen, man.

00:09:40.300 Obviously, growing up,

00:09:41.500 I watched Robin Big.

00:09:42.800 Yeah.

00:09:43.200 And as everyone, 0.99

00:09:46.180 huge fucking fan. 0.99

00:09:47.440 Thank you, man. 1.00

00:09:47.840 Huge fan.

00:09:48.660 I got to know,

00:09:49.220 where did the name drama come from oh man it's a terrible story where it came from is when i so i

00:09:55.100 grew up in ohio um my cousin rob who was the the genius behind robin big um i he he moved to la when

00:10:03.680 i was like i don't know three years old right i didn't really know him growing up what's the age

00:10:06.760 difference there 13 years so he moved out when he was 16 oh damn okay and he grew up in dayton you

00:10:11.400 know where dayton is right so far away so i didn't really know him growing up but we knew uh i knew i

00:10:16.000 had this cool skateboarder cousin that lived in california and so when it came time for me to

00:10:20.160 graduate high school all i wanted to do was move to california right so i wrote him this email like

00:10:25.180 look man i'll do anything i can film you skating i can clean your house i can literally do anything

00:10:30.440 you want and literally all he wrote back was cause and drop my email address was cause and drama so

00:10:35.780 all he wrote back was cause and drama what the hell is this and i was like no no my only chance

00:10:41.400 right i just blew it and so you know how devastating that is when you're 18 so so uh

00:10:46.200 when i ended up moving out he printed out it was right when myspace started he printed out all of

00:10:50.860 my most embarrassing myspace photos and told everyone that my name was drama and that i was

00:10:55.560 a rapper from ohio which wasn't true and laid them all out on the table and said everyone you only

00:11:00.840 talk to him as drama whatever and so everyone just said drama's here drama and i'm like man so

00:11:05.340 nobody ever called me that before but now everyone does now my own mom calls me drama

00:11:09.340 no you know what I mean it just took over because of your first email address that was it so there

00:11:13.860 was no like I'm a pretty like quiet like you know what I mean I'm not a dramatic dude at all

00:11:17.800 yeah it's funny you're quite the opposite yeah I feel like on the show you were the one always

00:11:23.780 being dragged into these like shit situations yeah were those reactions real yeah so you know

00:11:28.700 what they would do to me the most um so towards the end uh I guess it's been long enough now I'm 0.96

00:11:32.800 not breaking anyone's heart towards the end we kind of had it down right we knew what we were

00:11:36.640 doing we kind of were playing our roles um in the beginning what they would do is they would plan

00:11:40.600 all the episodes and everyone would know about it but me and they purposely wouldn't tell me

00:11:45.020 because they wanted real reaction so i would literally go over to his house every day to like

00:11:48.420 do laundry not knowing what was going to happen and when it did happen you know obviously you get

00:11:53.380 the real reaction but literally after like three years i was like i can't take this anymore i know

00:11:57.460 i can act just tell me what's going on i cannot live like this yeah i'm like come on wow but they

00:12:02.980 would tell me the big stuff like there was a real famous episode where they shaved my head like an

00:12:06.600 old man for my 21st birthday and that one obviously they're like hey we want to do this

00:12:11.120 would you be down to do it and i was like ah that's so funny like yeah did you say 21st birthday 0.51

00:12:15.600 yeah it was that long ago yes yes that was 11 years ago that episode freaking wild holy shit

00:12:23.040 yeah dude honestly the reason i'm in this house is because of that show really hell yeah how like 0.55

00:12:28.140 what do you mean just watching that woke something up in me where it's like that's possible like just

00:12:33.480 being with your homies in a mansion in LA, like that growing up in Michigan, that's like a,

00:12:39.580 that's not in your reality. Yeah. You guys remind me of like the modern day version of that. Right.

00:12:44.000 Even down to the love sex. Right. I mentioned it. You didn't, but you, when you, all the love

00:12:48.440 sex, we used to have that at the house. Right. And like, it just reminds me like making use of 0.53

00:12:52.440 the garage. Like that's how it felt. Well, the jokes still go on. When I moved in here

00:12:57.080 four months ago, everybody knew about this little joke that was about to happen. When I went to

00:13:01.500 move my bags into my bedroom yeah my or my irrevocable uh whatever it's called this fucking 1.00

00:13:06.860 contract i walked in i put my bags down and they had put a 10 foot alligator in my fucking bed dude 0.99

00:13:14.020 and i and i like an alive alligator yeah yeah okay well and i did not know it was real or fake 0.97

00:13:21.220 and then its eyes started doing that thing where it like rolls a little bit and he started i think

00:13:25.240 kind of growling at me you got to keep your head on a swivel in this house for sure that's a big

00:13:29.900 fact you haven't even seen the whole house man it's like people are like yo this is like the

00:13:34.180 modern day fantasy factory yeah i'd love to see it yeah i'm kind of scared now but i'd love to 0.83

00:13:38.480 fuck i should have i should have planned something no he's probably happy flashback yeah i know we're 0.99

00:13:44.480 giving you ptsd do you have like a crazy six cents now because of everything you've been through 0.99

00:13:49.560 like do you feel if something's about danger yeah uh no i don't think i do it wasn't this is the

00:13:55.760 thing because a lot of our executive producers were the guys from jackass right oh jesus that's 0.94

00:14:00.240 terrifying yeah and those guys were like scary who's it like tremaine and shit jeff tremaine 0.89

00:14:04.420 and uh so but you know it was never like anytime it was too scary or embarrassing they would tell 0.92

00:14:11.940 me it's only when it was like yo drama's gonna come in here and we're gonna try to like put

00:14:17.440 hooks in his belt loops and hang him to the back wall you know what i mean like that would just

00:14:21.320 happened they would just grab me and i'd be like oh man all right you know so it was never too

00:14:25.540 tragic when you were hanging from the wall from little hooks yeah did anyone in that house ever

00:14:32.060 think that you were going to be a bona fide business mogul like be honest because when i

00:14:36.900 watch that show dude like that's you what you're the guy hanging from hooks now who's now going to

00:14:43.320 start a business you're our drama yeah potentially oh my god but honestly but honestly like that was

00:14:50.340 not what i thought like i didn't know it was gonna happen right but like you literally have now gone

00:14:55.280 and and started uh a clothing company right and now are talking to other moguls and other business

00:15:02.840 people on a podcast so how did all that start yeah i don't to answer your first question like

00:15:07.280 i don't you know i talk with rob about it now because obviously we're super close you know he's

00:15:11.740 like my brother and and i do think he's a little surprised you know because i was just such like

00:15:16.080 the awkward kid from Ohio that didn't know which way was up. You know what I mean? But at the same

00:15:21.720 time, I think that I always outside of the show, like persona, I was always really focused and

00:15:26.700 like paying attention more than anything. Like I was, I was learning. I was trying to learn. I

00:15:31.200 wanted all that I wanted out of life was to have a decently successful life in Los Angeles. That

00:15:37.440 was my dream come true. So I was ready to work. I was paying attention. I was doing all that. So

00:15:42.360 yes and no on the like surprise level i wasn't as dumb as i looked on tv you know what i mean

00:15:47.200 um and then as far as how it happened i mean the short version of it is i just i had a lot

00:15:54.820 of great people around me i asked a lot of questions i explored constantly different

00:16:00.480 professions and different ideas and you know for me i always had that thing in the back of my head

00:16:05.580 that if i don't figure it out i'm going i have to move back to ohio and well at least we make this

00:16:10.000 joke all the time every day and i still that's more what i'm traumatized from i still will have

00:16:14.880 a bad day at the office and be like oh my god yeah what part of acronym i gotta move to views

00:16:19.280 are down we're going back to ohio do you look at it as a as like a an acceptable thing because

00:16:25.300 okay because when he says it it's not always like such a bad thing like i think like i mean

00:16:31.500 i love ohio i could live in a tree if i needed to that's how i grew up ohio but like i'm just

00:16:37.860 saying and for some people ohio is heaven and and and god bless them for me i've seen la i've just

00:16:45.540 seen like i'm so addicted to like the opportunity here and the people you know there's people like

00:16:49.740 you guys there's not people like you guys in ohio right um there's people oh everyone's so hungry

00:16:54.060 everyone's trying to figure something out like it's summer all year round yeah except for right

00:16:58.760 now yeah but you know what i'm saying i don't know it would be really really rough so that's

00:17:02.880 kind of always the like battery in my back is i don't have a safety net right i don't have i

00:17:08.460 couldn't even though contrary to popular belief i don't i don't think i could call rob and be like

00:17:12.440 hey man will you just kind of cover my bills you know he's like go back to ohio figure it out

00:17:16.280 well i don't think you need to now though well no now we're good but that was like the that was my

00:17:21.300 fuel right so so my thing yeah i just i i just talked to everyone i explored everything i tried

00:17:26.540 a bunch of stuff a lot of my stuff failed you know we tried a bunch of businesses and a bunch

00:17:30.380 of stuff young and reckless was the perfect perfectly in alignment with our fans perfectly

00:17:35.080 something i was passionate about um it just timely relevant like the messaging was always

00:17:41.140 right at the right place at the right time yeah and has been able to you know my biggest thing

00:17:45.380 was i didn't my worst fear was that it would be my merch right because i didn't look at myself

00:17:51.700 as like a celebrity or somebody that could really scale my i don't think i'm an entertainer right

00:17:56.620 i just i wanted to be a business owner so what i did was i went out and tried to do deals and

00:18:02.480 you know i had stuff all over the vine stars when they were first going i was super hard on that

00:18:06.700 i have a story about that i'll let you continue so i went super hard on that so that it wouldn't

00:18:11.420 be limited to my thing and now the brand is 10 years old 2018 was our biggest year we've ever

00:18:16.880 had after a slight dip with um retail running into so much trouble but it's been able to last

00:18:21.780 and survive i think because the idea just hit you know how did you come up with young and reckless

00:18:27.440 you know what it was is when i how old are you uh 23 okay so i don't know if you this might be

00:18:32.340 before you but when i was in high school in ohio one of the big brands was famous stars and straps

00:18:37.360 travis barker's brand it was that f with the star in it and i would see kids walking around my school

00:18:42.840 with their shirt would say famous or their myspace page would say don't hate me because i'm famous

00:18:47.420 and have like the famous F and I'm like man even though these kids suck this is this is what I

00:18:53.960 want when it came time for me to make a brand I'm like I want something that means something I don't 0.55

00:18:57.800 just want to call it like you know whatever clothing and try to make people believe it's

00:19:02.120 amazing I wanted people to really feel like inspired and empowered when they put on the

00:19:06.040 shirt and so Young and Reckless is what I came up with the first name that I ever had was Vanity

00:19:11.940 thank god thank god that better ideas ended up being a nightclub at the hard rock in vegas

00:19:18.320 so yeah it just progressed and young and reckless was the uh was the one that stuck that's awesome

00:19:24.200 yeah just hearing you talk i'm seeing a lot of similar similarities with with maverick and that

00:19:30.160 this brand that i've built is because i had the same thought it's like uh i didn't want to make

00:19:34.000 logan paul merch that was my biggest fear like i don't really give a fuck about people wearing

00:19:38.700 a shirt with my face on it yeah um the lines have kind of blurred because i refer to it as maverick 0.75

00:19:43.940 merch because i don't so kudos to you bro because it's it is not fucking hard yeah to to build a 0.52

00:19:49.240 brand yeah not easy man yeah wow thank you no it's super easy it's so anybody can do what you're 0.82

00:19:55.400 doing what he's saying is i don't even know why you're here yeah like this is really easy we just

00:19:59.600 kind of came to that conclusion friday friday vibes man he's he's getting into the weekend

00:20:04.420 mode he's good but let me tell you one more thing that is just a thought of mine is i think that

00:20:07.720 when i started young and reckless merch wasn't cool right what was cool was like these big brands

00:20:13.280 that maybe you kind of knew the owner but you didn't maybe like tommy hilfiger you knew you

00:20:17.160 were glad he was there because you trusted this old guy knows what he's doing but it wasn't like

00:20:21.360 you didn't follow him on social media you what you guys did is when you came in you really made

00:20:25.940 merch the thing and then all these big companies started being like how do we connect with our

00:20:31.060 consumer like these people selling merch are right now we have no connection now we're too big and

00:20:36.240 too mysterious and too weird so i don't think i think you came in at a different time and you did

00:20:41.360 the right thing for your time you know what i mean yeah oh for sure um but i mean beyond just

00:20:46.320 creating a cool like wearable brand something that empowers your consumers when they when they put it

00:20:52.380 on you've been able to stay relevant for more than you know three to five years so far so good yeah

00:20:59.840 and part of the reason is because i think you've um innovated marketing yeah like you said when

00:21:04.140 you reach out to the vine stars yeah hey i was one of those people yeah um and it's funny because

00:21:09.060 man young and reckless reached out to me they're like yo we'll hook you up with free gear and i'm

00:21:13.720 like free clothes amazing still living in ohio by the way so i didn't have to pay for clothes i was

00:21:17.780 like amazing put on a t-shirt now i'm like a walking advertisement for the company and then

00:21:22.940 you guys invited me out here i went to the the little uh showroom yeah yeah yeah they hooked it

00:21:28.420 up i was like man this company is great but now bro these influencers are getting smarter bro yeah

00:21:33.840 yeah they won't do it they won't do it just if you give them clothes like few of them will wear

00:21:38.340 it yeah so how have you went from that to the type of marketing that you're doing now because you just

00:21:44.540 you said 2018 has been your biggest year you're still doing something right yeah i think the

00:21:48.820 biggest thing is like you used to just be so the old streetwear model used to be just gift just

00:21:54.020 send boxes and back in the day it was like hopefully 50 cent wears it on trl right that'll

00:21:58.660 make our brand and everyone was just kind of hoping for luck and then in like the early influencer

00:22:02.760 days, the same thing was kind of happening. Just blanket stuff, build relationships, make them like

00:22:08.580 you, like you have to like us, put on our shirt, wear our stuff, and eventually enough of it will

00:22:12.700 get out. Now I think, number one, you got to pay at a certain point, right? The free game is kind

00:22:19.600 of over. Influencers are a legitimate business. It's a legitimate marketing lane. It's not some

00:22:26.440 joke anymore. And so you have to be willing to pay. Second to that, I think that you can't just

00:22:30.600 pay and blanket everyone anymore you have to be incorporating brand you have to find influencers

00:22:35.880 that really match your brand and what it stands for and do people even look to them for how to

00:22:40.120 dress like you can you can have someone wear your shirt all day long but if no kid is waking up in

00:22:44.140 the morning and saying i want to look like so and so it's not really going to be worth anything so

00:22:48.080 it's finding the right people it's finding out how to build a brand through influencers not just get

00:22:53.200 your logo out there and be willing to pay a little bit it's funny you say that because there's maybe

00:22:58.960 be one brand that still doesn't have to pay. And so I've, we've, we've had such success with our

00:23:04.500 influencer program and, and, and using just product, obviously it's not t-shirts, it's 16,

00:23:08.820 $1,700 sacks and sacks and those couches. Um, but what have you, what else have you done to, um,

00:23:16.160 to market the brand as of recently? Are you seeing successes, uh, from, from a media buying

00:23:22.720 standpoint or you guys are, I'm sure buying a ton of media. Yeah. And also to your point real quick

00:23:27.000 for anyone out there starting a business. I'm talking about specifically apparel, which is like

00:23:31.560 the most competitive come and go trend driven business there is. If you are smart enough to

00:23:38.320 create a business where of course everyone would love a free massive beanbag in their house, right?

00:23:43.300 You can get around some of that stuff. And I think that's something interesting to think about when

00:23:46.980 you're starting a business for the first time is like, is this going to be easy or difficult on me?

00:23:50.860 You know what I mean? As far as what we're doing, we see a lot of success with influencers still,

00:23:55.600 like i said um still like brand partnerships with bigger celebrities and stuff like that we did a

00:24:01.100 project with 21 savage not too long ago and that did really really well yeah do you guys sell clothes

00:24:05.580 in london uh not in a big he's he's he's back home all right i just okay he's back just curious

00:24:12.200 that's messed up yeah that's messed up no but he's he's home yeah he's home he's good yeah

00:24:18.840 yeah he's released on bail yep uh is it bail is that no that's not what it's called i think he's

00:24:24.680 bond bond bond you were you were bringing up um how the apparel industry is so competitive what 0.98

00:24:30.300 are your thoughts on the gucci controversy if you have any i think it's really really uh stupid on 0.79

00:24:36.680 gucci's part man and i think that for the longest time big brands like that didn't have to worry 0.72

00:24:41.880 about little mistakes because all you had to do was convince the tabloids not or the massive

00:24:48.260 magazines not to run articles about your company being racist now social media can take it and run

00:24:53.580 with it and you can be evil before you wake up in the morning and so i think that like these brands

00:24:58.640 have to be ultra ultra careful of everything they do and i don't understand how something like that

00:25:03.740 gets through i'm the first guy to be like oh it was probably just a mistake like they didn't mean

00:25:07.780 that but that's like but think about that we thought the same thing that was that one was a

00:25:11.280 there is no mistake no i've tried to find a way to be like oh no that's not bad but it's bad and 0.97

00:25:17.740 you just can't you just can't be an idiot anymore you know what i mean because logan can post about 0.99

00:25:21.800 it and your whole brand is hated overnight because you don't you can't control media anymore you know 1.00

00:25:28.200 what i mean how do you think they can how do you think they'll recover what do you think is who i

00:25:32.160 don't know man it's tough i think that you know gucci has been around for so long and they're

00:25:37.300 such a part of like a bigger conglomerate of brands like i would be surprised if i'm not

00:25:43.140 saying what's right or wrong but i would be surprised if they went out of business i just

00:25:47.400 think they have a lot of work to do you think they took a real hit sorry no i was gonna ask

00:25:51.500 the same question what's what's happened to the stock since since it happened because here's here's

00:25:55.660 my thought on it you'll see them start to take a hit in the rap community in the urban community

00:26:01.400 but at the end of the day gucci has quite a base of rich white women and men in other countries

00:26:06.380 that are buying their product the majority of their buyers are not little pump and and whoever

00:26:10.240 and so i mean how much has it really affected their their stock and and if so like how short

00:26:15.940 term is that effect yeah so their stock i'm not i'm not clear on what it's doing but one thing

00:26:19.820 that i will say that you can't discount is rap is the biggest genre of music in the world right now

00:26:25.380 so those are rock stars now and the same way that louis vuitton just had virgil design their whole

00:26:30.680 men's line streetwear and urban is king so if louis vuitton is saying hey we need virgil obviously

00:26:36.620 it's kind of starting now at urban and trickling down all the weird rich old whatever people are

00:26:43.860 trying to dress like streetwear people is what must be happening so my point is i think it's

00:26:48.920 easy to be like oh but that's just the urban community i think the urban community runs stuff

00:26:52.580 and gucci might not realize how powerful that urban community is and they could they could have

00:26:57.360 made a bigger mistake than they thought they did yeah that's that's true did you see what um virgil

00:27:01.380 did after louis he worked with ikea yeah so ikea spent god knows how much money on him to design

00:27:08.960 rugs off-white rugs that say what is it like do not stand or stand here or something on them and

00:27:13.560 And you're absolutely right, dude.

00:27:15.260 I mean, the rap culture controls everything right now.

00:27:19.540 Fashion.

00:27:20.240 Fashion.

00:27:21.100 I mean, a lot of things.

00:27:21.760 A lot of things, yeah.

00:27:22.920 Streetwear and like New York Fashion Week or Paris Fashion Week looks like what magic trade show streetwear used to look like, right?

00:27:30.960 Like Fairfax has sort of evolved into this blend of luxury and streetwear and that's running fashion.

00:27:37.600 And so I think Gucci made the worst mistake at the worst time.

00:27:41.400 They're going to pay for it big time, you know?

00:27:43.300 Yeah. And another question I have too on that is like, like you said, how, like you saw it happen with them. You saw it happen with H&M last year. Remember the H&M situation. And I, and I think about it like with us and a brand like you, and I don't know what your, what your annual rev looks like, but I mean, we have layers and layers of review process on every piece of content and media that goes out.

00:28:05.760 And you look at a brand like Gucci that's publicly traded globally, you know, in global retail, where were the where were the people that were like, yo, this can't happen?

00:28:17.460 Yeah, I do not know.

00:28:18.720 It's mind blowing.

00:28:19.360 I do not know.

00:28:19.820 And I feel like they're probably asking themselves the same question right now.

00:28:22.120 Right.

00:28:22.520 Somebody somebody's fired, obviously.

00:28:24.420 I would hope so.

00:28:25.480 Yeah.

00:28:26.560 This might get cut, but I want to I want to suggest it and maybe answer the question.

00:28:31.420 Sure.

00:28:31.680 um i would be interested to see what gucci's review team looks like diversity wise

00:28:38.840 do they have an african-american on that team i would i would assume yes sometimes maybe i'm

00:28:45.060 incorrect but sometimes in those situations you end up with a team that potentially has uh for

00:28:50.840 example with with this gucci thing has an african-american on the team but they are a junior

00:28:55.100 associate that's a that's scared to step up to a brand director or a vp or when they do step up

00:29:00.840 it's like okay go back stay back exactly so that definitely one of those two scenarios definitely

00:29:05.400 happened either someone saw it and was afraid to step up or um or they got told to be quiet but

00:29:11.900 if i'm not mistaken i don't want to have fake news here but dapper dan right who's like uh um

00:29:17.800 really well known in the hip-hop community um i believe has a creative job at gucci who's a black

00:29:23.120 guy yeah and so i don't know whether he didn't stop it i'm not sure what happened but they do

00:29:27.860 probably assume he didn't didn't see it because think about like the amount of stuff that is

00:29:33.460 happening in a brand that size i would you know it'd be hard to pin it on one person i could be

00:29:38.180 wrong yeah i mean you just got to be careful man and the moral of the story is you can't do any

00:29:42.880 dumb stuff and that's getting harder and harder yeah that's getting so hard from a from both from

00:29:47.980 a sensitivity standpoint which we've dealt with but also from a uh like ultra transparency 0.96

00:29:55.880 standpoint every brand is is people demand transparency nowadays and if you don't give

00:30:01.640 it to them they're going to get it through their own means anyways through a mistake that you make

00:30:05.360 or through your financials or something everything is wide open and shareable nowadays and so it's

00:30:10.940 like it's scary it is there's almost no way to be a hundred percent there's just there's almost no

00:30:17.200 way because you're always going to somehow offend somebody and this is not discounting what happened

00:30:21.700 at gucci because i was horrible but it's just really tough right now yeah and also i think

00:30:26.020 one of the things that's happening with this new trend is like we're not necessarily weighing the

00:30:30.940 offense right we're just it's like you're canceled you know if it's small or if it's massive like

00:30:36.080 you're just canceled like we're not there's no due process there's no like judge or jury it's just

00:30:40.840 like small thing massive thing canceled don't care you know and it's it's interesting we talk

00:30:45.680 about that all the time and i'm not sure man now that everyone has a voice in social media

00:30:51.840 and gucci sales are dictated by the people using social media as much as i would like to think the

00:31:00.260 cancel culture will get a right to do process uh function man i'm just not sure it'll ever be that

00:31:08.080 Like at what point will people start to really absorb a situation and come to a conclusion, a reasonable conclusion rather than just hopping on a train because everyone else is doing it?

00:31:25.500 Like it's tough, man.

00:31:27.260 This is the only time in my life that I've ever and I'm the oldest, obviously, that I've ever been, meaning like the wisest.

00:31:33.700 Right.

00:31:33.860 And it's the only time I've ever felt like I can't tell you.

00:31:36.600 i have no idea where this is going like it's it's a little insane and just the way that the news

00:31:42.260 works and the way obviously what's going on in politics and everything it's just constant like

00:31:45.940 explosions of crazy hysteria every day and i i don't know i don't know whether eventually it

00:31:52.480 kind of balances out or is there some negative reaction of all this stuff or i don't know

00:31:56.480 as someone as someone who's so who's been involved in pop culture for so long um do you see the need

00:32:04.120 for some like you look back at generations before us and there's some movement that takes place do

00:32:09.700 you see a need for that within our generation well there's a million movements going on right

00:32:14.860 it's like do you want a movement to say stop the movements it's like kind of you know what i mean

00:32:18.620 like it's interesting and i think like would that be ironic what would a non-moving movement be

00:32:24.720 called yeah standstill standstill we need a standstill we're all just we all just don't

00:32:29.020 chill out yeah yeah we had a good 35 days of stan so um i don't know i i i don't know man i think

00:32:36.940 that to every everything that happens the pendulum always swings the other way yeah um and there is

00:32:42.780 definitely undeniably i'm not saying what's right and what's wrong but there is a culture right now

00:32:47.620 of outrage and of tearing people down and instantly canceling people with no uh process like i said

00:32:53.720 And I don't know what the other side of that is.

00:32:57.620 It's going to swing somewhere.

00:32:59.080 It's not going to, it's not just going to be this forever.

00:33:02.040 It's going to evolve.

00:33:03.160 I just, I don't know where.

00:33:04.440 And, and what should I, as far as what should happen or like the standstill, I don't know.

00:33:09.540 I'm not in the position to say that, but, but I just wish we would get back to like the

00:33:14.320 lead, the law and the legal process is set up a certain way for a reason, right?

00:33:19.240 there's a there's a jury and there's a trial and there's a judge and there's penalties and it's not

00:33:24.380 just it's like as if everyone was just sentenced to the death penalty you know what i mean like

00:33:28.560 no matter what uh you cross the jaywalk death penalty murder a person death penalty uh speeding

00:33:34.240 ticket death penalty it's like there's not like there's no process i don't know but it'll go

00:33:39.800 somewhere it always works itself out in a positive way usually usually always sometimes

00:33:44.760 i think what needs what probably needs to happen and the first thing that people need to start

00:33:50.840 thinking about is is a return of what we used to call honest mistakes and i think nowadays

00:33:59.160 everyone online or or behind a keyboard or whatever feels that there is some level of malice

00:34:07.940 behind every mistake that's made and so and so they say okay gucci did this gucci is racist

00:34:14.640 uh h&m did this h&m is race like it's like you said it's just like okay we got a mistake here 0.89

00:34:20.340 drop the ax on yeah and unfortunately that's not how it fucking works like people make honest 0.72

00:34:26.980 mistakes things get overlooked people come into work hungover and they don't do what they were 0.97

00:34:31.180 supposed to do that day in the review somebody's wife cheated on him and he's having a bad day and

00:34:35.240 he makes a mistake writing something and then and and so i think what's happened is you've got this

00:34:41.220 mob of angry shark malice people that are just trying to put a a malignant intent behind every 0.94

00:34:52.760 single little mistake that fucking happens and that's what i was gonna say is we forgot 0.98

00:34:56.260 intention we forgot intention it's like literally if you say something crazy to someone and they're 0.97

00:35:01.280 like yo man what was that you're like oh i didn't i didn't mean to do that i'm sorry you clear that

00:35:05.320 up right we forgot giving any value to intention and what people meant when they you know what i'm

00:35:10.660 saying and i think it's just like oh i i took a line out of this thing context and like dead yeah

00:35:18.200 out of here you know and some people are really wrong that's the problem because there's so much

00:35:21.920 good in this too like so many people are being exposed like harvey weinstein right wrong that

00:35:27.000 is it's good that that got exposed it's good that those people had a voice it's good that that

00:35:32.040 started a movement right no denying that but it shouldn't be lumped in with any offense you know

00:35:37.920 is all i'm saying yep yeah cancer culture yeah and and i think it's it's also it's funny because

00:35:44.180 it's like it's like everything's moving in the same direction like all the things that come out

00:35:48.160 of context like you look even like at text messaging yeah it's it's all going that way

00:35:52.460 like somebody says something to you yeah and you read it a certain way and like you said the 0.99

00:35:56.840 intention's missing like they say i could tell people go fuck their self in the most loving way 0.96

00:36:02.300 ever but somebody that doesn't know me might read it out of context you know what i'm saying and so 0.99

00:36:07.100 it's like it's just the way the world has started to work you know i get it i feel bad for

00:36:12.920 what's going on because i do honestly still believe at the end of the day everyone has

00:36:19.440 the best intentions right everyone wants everyone to get along everyone wants to be happy healthy

00:36:23.680 love each other like not on some hippie stuff but i do believe that and i think that there's just

00:36:27.940 this moment happening of everyone being like yelling at each other screaming oh this is all

00:36:32.900 crazy so i'm gonna go be crazy and that's not a healthy way to live right so that's why i think

00:36:37.040 it does come to an end because nobody enjoys this nobody the accusers don't enjoy it and the accused

00:36:41.500 don't enjoy it i'm telling you i have i i believe the accusers love it some some they love ruminating

00:36:48.920 in some of them some of them some of them sometimes but man boy is it fun fun to hate sometimes man

00:36:55.420 like not me but you don't hate from a happy place ever right you just never do yeah but you know how

00:37:00.460 many people aren't happy but that's what i'm saying so no one's happy in the equation right

00:37:04.660 so the accusers i don't want to say that i want to be super careful here but what i'm saying is

00:37:10.260 the people that are constantly outraged aren't in a good place right like that's not a good feeling

00:37:15.760 no matter what the offense is that's not a good place okay i see what you're saying okay the ones

00:37:19.960 that are being accused or that are guilty are obviously not in a good place no one's in a good

00:37:24.180 place what's the saying hurt people hurt people hurt people yeah yeah but it's a messy one man i

00:37:29.900 I think, I think a big, a big contribute to it all is you have this shift of generational, like, like how content's being consumed. You have all the major news networks, all these major stations are owned by like six companies. And now you have that, uh, influence being transitioned over to people who just start YouTube channels or like yourself who start companies.

00:37:54.460 it's like a huge thing it's like a rat race yeah did y'all ever have uh an issue with anything or

00:38:00.640 has it been no clean this work no i think this is what back here good for you hey maybe it's

00:38:07.520 possible to be perfect bro no no far from we've had our own issues right but uh but never never

00:38:12.880 i've been super duper careful and well i mean the first thing that comes to my mind is like

00:38:20.140 your brand is called young and reckless yeah no kid has ever taken that too far well not in the

00:38:26.600 name of the brand yeah not on my you know but we've also been careful of that like we are very

00:38:30.820 careful with what we say like we know we can't encourage people to go jump off your house right

00:38:37.720 like we just we know that that's a risky thing right and even i think for me to be honest i

00:38:42.660 learned that lesson pretty early because when we were starting our tv show like i said our executive

00:38:46.680 producers were the guys from jackass and mtv had been in some legal trouble because kids were

00:38:51.720 hurting themselves trying to emulate jackass is that when they put the disclaimer at the beginning

00:38:55.220 yeah with johnny knoxville telling you train professionals i believe that's where it started

00:38:58.680 but it was super serious so anything on our show that you could directly like copy we couldn't do

00:39:04.080 it had to be so outlandish that you couldn't copy it that's literally youtube just laid that hammer

00:39:09.740 down really in that um anything that is easily recreatable yeah if it's dangerous and it happens

00:39:17.340 in your content if it's easily recreatable and anyone can do it at home yeah that will get

00:39:21.680 flagged and possibly remove demonetize whatever the consequences are yeah but okay so then what

00:39:26.620 uh excuse my ignorance but then what uh in your mind young and reckless what what's the meaning

00:39:31.600 behind that yeah so that's what i was gonna say too like i really try when i created it i created

00:39:36.900 it for people that were like me or like what was pumping me up, right? And that's leaving your

00:39:44.180 small town, not going to college when your parents say you shouldn't, going out there and disregarding

00:39:49.540 what people say you should do to live the life you want to live, whatever that is. It doesn't

00:39:54.960 matter if you want to go travel the world, you want to start a company, you want to be a daredevil,

00:39:58.540 whatever you want to do. It's that feeling that I think I try to promote, right? And that's the

00:40:04.800 type of people i talk to on my podcast and that's the type you know what i mean like i really want

00:40:07.960 i want people to come up to me and say look i dropped out of college and started my business

00:40:12.640 because of you and this year we're doing five million dollars in revenue and i you know what

00:40:16.340 i mean because that's how i felt i felt like moving to la listening to people i wanted to

00:40:20.080 work at a skate shop and live in a one-bedroom apartment like my life is a dream you know what

00:40:25.180 i mean so i think if i can pass that on some way and all i did was paid attention and listen to

00:40:29.840 people and ask advice i didn't go to college um i think if i can pass that on to people that's the

00:40:34.720 goal you know and if they're wearing a young and reckless shirt while they're doing it great perfect

00:40:38.140 so how do you keep those ideals because it's very easy to get lost in the sauce when you come to la

00:40:44.360 and you're on a tv show and you have a multi-million dollar apparel company yeah how do you keep the

00:40:49.120 thought in the back of your mind like if this doesn't go right and i need to keep this grind

00:40:52.780 up i'm going back to ohio versus forgetting about it which a lot of people did yeah so i think that

00:40:57.120 i you know when when robin big our first show really took off i was 19 and i got exposed to a

00:41:04.220 lot of like Hollywood stuff pretty early and I think I just recognized pretty early that it never

00:41:09.440 led anywhere good you know what I mean like I saw people up all night doing drugs and worrying too

00:41:14.380 much about girls and all this stuff and taking themselves too serious and wanting to be the

00:41:17.520 coolest guy at the club instead of a guy with a good idea in a in an office right and and I think

00:41:22.780 that I just never luckily I never looked up to the cool partiers I never looked up to the coolest guy

00:41:28.880 at the club I always looked up to the people with cool ideas that created something and I knew that

00:41:33.080 was a trap and i think you know i've had my i've had my fun i've had my moments but i never got

00:41:38.040 sucked into it and and i always had that you know move back to ohio in my head so i was like well i

00:41:41.860 can party my way right back to ohio they got they got good parties in ohio come on man they do but

00:41:46.960 they're not the same what do they got going on in akron they're not the same the akron parties

00:41:50.580 aren't even like the cleveland party no no that's uh man that's that's cool i uh i also don't look

00:42:00.180 up to um the party goers etc but part of the reason i do like to have fun and party is because

00:42:07.860 i a i believe life is about balance like work hard play hard type thing but also like man that's

00:42:12.700 where i draw a lot of my inspiration from that's that's where i get a lot of ideas for um like

00:42:18.220 for example us opening the podcast talking about xyz um seeing the culture of la because a lot of

00:42:25.460 people don't have that inherent thought that you said you have is luckily yeah you look up to

00:42:30.080 business businessmen yeah um and people who want to want to create stuff yeah i i don't think that

00:42:35.200 the party culture in la or what's going on at hide or warwick will ever drive strategy behind a brand

00:42:41.780 but i will tell you it drives a lot of fucking content dude let me tell you this because don't

00:42:45.880 get me wrong a big part of having a clothing company that's doing well is big parties we 0.95

00:42:50.240 still do big parties at the big clubs and don't get me wrong i still go out still drink still have

00:42:55.760 a great time it's when you start to base your like self-worth on how you are at hide or one oak

00:43:02.680 that's when you see people start to fall off right they're more worried about do they have enough

00:43:07.020 girls there do they have this are they cool enough do they have bottles a table you start to put your 0.82

00:43:10.960 value more in those things and not on what you're actually creating that's when you get screwed yeah

00:43:15.600 A lot of successful people party really hard.

00:43:17.860 It's not that.

00:43:19.080 It's just you've got to be careful where you put your value.

00:43:22.480 Plus, once you jump it up past alcohol, I feel like that's when it turns up real quick.

00:43:26.940 It turns up real quick.

00:43:28.480 You guys, at the end of the day, are tame.

00:43:32.020 I am now because I was forced to be.

00:43:34.460 You know what I'm saying?

00:43:35.200 At the end of the day, you're pretty tame compared to the L.A. culture out here.

00:43:38.860 Oh, yeah.

00:43:40.200 Oh, for sure.

00:43:40.740 So you guys aren't lost in the sauce.

00:43:41.620 He's referring to drugs.

00:43:42.540 We don't do drugs.

00:43:43.420 Yeah, no.

00:43:43.880 um yeah drugs is never that's where it all goes bad yeah pull the plug on the drugs kids yeah um

00:43:49.820 i have to ask when you pitched this idea of the clothing line did you pitch it to rob did you

00:43:54.920 pitch it to mtv were they like wow we want to put our hands in the sand with you yeah uh so the way

00:43:59.720 it worked is i um i came up with the idea i knew this was my moment to launch it was right when

00:44:05.580 fantasy factory was launching and not uh robin big and you know it was rob and big black were

00:44:10.040 the stars of robin big big black moved to texas to raise his newborn daughter when fantasy factory

00:44:15.600 started so it was me and rob so i was like this is my chance right i could never get a sponsorship

00:44:19.840 or anything like that on robin big i wasn't a big enough character so i came up with the idea

00:44:23.520 young and reckless of course the first person i went to was rob and i'm like hey man i got this

00:44:27.600 thing and you know the short version of what he said was like all right we'll go do it like i don't

00:44:33.720 have time to like what do you want me to do like launch a brand for you and i'm like and i was

00:44:37.100 devastated i really was because i was like man like i thought you were the key to success you

00:44:41.880 know dude rob's intense i actually had a moment with him that was similar like yeah i wanted to

00:44:47.180 get him no no no i wanted to get him in my documentary about education and somehow i ended

00:44:52.420 up at his house um and i remember i asked him because i got invited to a meeting and i asked

00:44:59.100 him as we were leaving and he's like no no i don't really want to be in that uh i'm more involved in

00:45:04.840 i'm i'm you know more focused on building businesses yeah and it was just like it's that

00:45:09.680 thing he does that really well like no no but also no thanks nope that's dope dude it's dope

00:45:15.060 it is to just be direct he's wasting no one's time yeah yeah he means well he really does but

00:45:19.400 i think when you get to like when you get to his level of of like doing it you don't have time for

00:45:24.980 anything you don't like he's always been that way before even he was a pro skateboarder he just

00:45:28.900 says what he means you know which is in the end a good thing it's just that if you don't know or

00:45:33.180 you're you know you just get a moment and you're like hey man you could you could take it the wrong

00:45:36.340 way but um did you take it did you kind of know at that point not to take it personally i knew not

00:45:41.960 to take it personally but but i was hurt like because i don't i just thought like that's the

00:45:47.300 logical next step right so the way that it worked is then i you know i had been on robin big for a

00:45:51.820 couple years i was on this new tv show i went and tried to set up meetings with everyone that i could

00:45:57.260 anyone in la that i knew that had a clothing brand or anyone that knew knew and i pitched it you know

00:46:01.540 I said, this is what it's called.

00:46:02.400 It's Young and Reckless.

00:46:03.220 And this is what it's going to look like and blah, blah, blah.

00:46:05.400 And I found my business partners.

00:46:07.320 And they were these guys that had a brand for like seven years before me.

00:46:10.900 They knew how to do all of the manufacturing and distribution, all that stuff.

00:46:15.940 And they got it.

00:46:16.820 Most importantly, they just got it.

00:46:18.260 They saw like this weird experimental thing.

00:46:20.500 We're down to give it a shot.

00:46:22.100 And they did.

00:46:22.940 And then it worked out.

00:46:23.560 And the last part that I have to add is I am so thankful that Rob said no.

00:46:29.480 because if not it would have been a hand me thing i wouldn't have known what i was doing and it would

00:46:34.280 have been out of business in two years like there's no way it would have lasted i built it

00:46:38.300 and it sucked at first man but it forced me to now 10 years in i know this thing like the back

00:46:43.540 of my hand i know why we're here i know what's good and what's bad and we're not going anywhere

00:46:47.760 and i feel very confident about that right so i gained a business education by him forcing me to

00:46:52.920 go figure it out that's awesome what's your uh what's your breakdown right now from a sales

00:46:57.540 standpoint um you guys are in retail through third party right you don't have you don't have

00:47:03.060 brick and mortars right and then 50 50 50 50 yeah so it was this so uh you know we built the brand

00:47:09.640 at retail right the way to do it was you go to these retailers you fly around you show them

00:47:13.920 your clothes you try to convince the buyer to buy it you take them out for a nice steak dinner and

00:47:17.500 you slowly build up shelf space in like macy's and all these different places on zoomies that

00:47:21.940 sounds huge for us and so um we did that for six years and then all of a sudden retail started

00:47:27.420 dying. And when retail starts dying, everyone starts making really dramatic decisions, right?

00:47:32.720 And in clothing, you have orders out for production months and months and months in

00:47:37.520 advance. So if Macy's says, Hey, we can't take that order anymore. I'm sorry, we have it. It's

00:47:43.540 being made and we're on the hook for it. Right. And so it was a rough, you know, in like 2015,

00:47:49.080 it was rough, man, because it flips quick. So even if your sales are high, your profit can be real

00:47:54.100 low because you're you're stuck with inventory you know what i mean so yeah at least at least

00:47:59.920 you never gotten to a uh a point where you're holding a bunch of actual real estate inventory

00:48:04.240 because that's that's a with the real uh retail apocalypse a lot of people want out of business

00:48:09.360 because they're holding on a real estate inventory we've been lucky to have our showroom and e-com

00:48:15.960 model work very well together we don't have stores we have showrooms just like tesla does or peloton

00:48:20.440 does and so you go in you you you view the product then you can go home and order it but um

00:48:24.940 so yeah so you have a half 50 50 split yeah used to be 90 10 all you know whatever but when that

00:48:30.300 started happening we said okay well we got to figure this out so that meant like unfortunately

00:48:34.840 firing a lot of people we essentially replaced our sales team with like a you know media and

00:48:39.700 and facebook ad targeting team and um switched out our whole staff and strategy and put all of

00:48:46.280 our effort into e-comm and now it's instead of 90 10 it's 50 50 and we're finally you know back

00:48:50.960 to bigger than our peak year as of last year and now we're off to the races right like i mean

00:48:55.120 obviously it's tough and who knows what's going to happen in in the world but um we know what

00:48:59.720 we're doing and we feel pretty confident that we can scale our online business and not have these

00:49:03.840 big traumatic things happen you're not doing tv yet right like the actual tv advice no no you guys

00:49:11.320 do it yeah it works really well that's when the needle will really it's it's weird because in a

00:49:15.740 society where everybody's pulling the plug yeah well that's why it's so weird because until what

00:49:20.580 as soon as we turned television ads on we saw these massive movements in revenue and and so

00:49:27.060 i've talked to other brands shark ninja other brands that have had the same kind of things

00:49:30.160 happen with television if you know once you get there dude you'll be you'll watch the scale go

00:49:34.580 yeah yeah yeah it's crazy no that's great yeah i feel like uh your brand specifically

00:49:40.400 falls in a separate category like why do influencers do free posts for your brand

00:49:47.760 like i mean i do not have to answer the question but it's i'm saying like

00:49:50.960 it's it's i even me bro i was like four years ago right that's how we met yeah i um i answer

00:49:57.660 like to bifold like i'll give you the quick one it's it's i think it's a product that they see

00:50:02.540 they they want to try to figure out first of all how do i get this i've seen it on social media

00:50:06.520 and the first thing they want to do is reach out via dm to me and then the other part of it's

00:50:10.760 bifold is managing that relationship and he'll tell you when he talked to me for the first time

00:50:15.360 he was expecting some oh i was expecting a dweeb and i and i texted this dude and like i like to

00:50:20.780 throw people curveballs to test their character and what kind of human being they are yeah so i 0.97

00:50:24.500 was like yo like can you fuck on these things and he's like what did you say i said uh the covers 0.99

00:50:29.440 are washable so yeah you could just wash the cum right out of them and he and he was and he was 0.99

00:50:33.480 not expecting that yeah and so that's a good balance of like corporate and not well the machine

00:50:38.520 washable covers and so i rolled a very important brand message into my conversation with him and 0.98

00:50:43.200 it was the first i'm like damn i'm fucking good at this shit and so he was like i want to work 0.94

00:50:47.260 with this dude you know and so that kind of started everything off and he was he was the 0.97

00:50:50.920 start of an influencer program that has i can't even describe worked with jay-z thank you love

00:50:55.740 or you're welcome love sack you're very welcome worked with jay-z ariana gron like like pretty

00:51:00.660 much everyone under the sun rob gronkowski like every influencer actor or actress and so um it's

00:51:05.980 been really good for us but the media dude like yeah once you start cranking that stuff man it's

00:51:10.980 uh it's gonna get fun for you quick you're gonna be doing some fun shit yeah so how did how did

00:51:14.880 you i don't know the uh regulations or the rules but how was mtv okay with you marketing a product 0.77

00:51:21.960 using their distribution outlet and them not taking a cut or did they no i'll tell you two 0.99

00:51:28.500 ways that i got really lucky uh number one they just weren't very savvy to that idiots 0.98

00:51:36.420 they after you know shortly after that they had a lot of shows with products and they did take 0.98

00:51:44.140 integration now that being said not to totally diss them they might have usually but because

00:51:49.460 rob had so many sponsors he he had you know dc stuff all over the place so he wrote out that

00:51:56.040 obviously you're not going to get a piece of what dc sells that's our monster energy or red bull

00:52:00.080 right like those are just his sponsors so there was already things in our agreements that were

00:52:04.220 you know they didn't partake in any increased sales from brands featured on the show so

00:52:08.280 we got lucky lucky big time lucky i i gotta i had a question for you that's a um a turn here uh

00:52:17.820 that it's not a happy one what was uh what was the passing of chris like for you

00:52:22.360 it was tough man it was really tough it was um that was the first real adult friend that i that

00:52:32.700 i've lost you know uh we're talking about big black by the way yeah big black yeah because i

00:52:37.700 think you know when i was young i had some friends pass away and and then as you get older you know

00:52:42.480 people you know pass away and stuff like that and it's obviously always terrible but that was like

00:52:47.260 my dude you know like when I moved here and I got off the plane and went over to their house to hang

00:52:53.420 out like it was like robbing big before the cameras like they were just hanging out barbecuing and

00:52:57.900 hanging out and like literally I would sit with him until three four in the morning and talk about

00:53:03.140 girl troubles or you know I mean we had a relationship on that level for many many years

00:53:07.700 and so that was the first one and it affected me way deeper than I thought you know like we're all

00:53:12.300 tough guys I think that when something like that happens you're like man you know that sucks I'm

00:53:16.900 going to keep on trucking. And there was a day when I was driving to the office and I just started

00:53:20.280 crying, like really crying. And I don't, I'm not really a big crier. And I was like, man, this is

00:53:25.120 crazy. So yeah, it was rough, man. He was just so, I mean, you saw him made millions of people love

00:53:30.880 him, right? Because of his spirit. And I think like being around him, you felt that even more

00:53:34.960 and being his friend, you felt that even more. And I think it's a, it's not the type of, you

00:53:38.900 think someone like that's going to live forever, you know? And so when that happens, it was,

00:53:42.860 did he ever give you something that you still hold on with you to this day like any piece of

00:53:48.960 advice or just a moment it's just more his attitude you know he's so freaking tough and

00:53:54.340 i don't mean like yeah obviously he's tough he's a 6'4 like 350 pound black guy he's he's

00:53:59.940 he's been through so much stuff like he dealt with real real real racism growing up in mississippi

00:54:06.600 and a little bit in chicago and and he just had a you know and obviously he was a super big guy

00:54:13.660 and even when robin big launched like everyone would notice him first anywhere he went people

00:54:17.440 were on him because he spot him from a mile away and i think that was the biggest thing is when it

00:54:21.580 came to life struggles girl struggles when i was young and didn't know what to do work any of that

00:54:27.280 stuff it was just this sense of toughness that you knew how much he had been through and he's

00:54:31.600 still able to like take his shirt off and dance like a stripper you know i'm saying you're like

00:54:35.720 man that's the way to deal with a rough perspective perspective it's it's actually

00:54:40.120 something i i talk to uh these guys a lot about too and i i i've mentioned it slightly before

00:54:46.500 and i've talked about a bunch of times lately but i i have been through some trauma myself and

00:54:50.340 um i would always kind of take that trauma and i would i would bring it up in myself and think

00:54:56.100 like oh like i've been through this or that and i uh a couple years back i met this guy travis

00:55:00.520 mills in uh in maine uh he's a he's a veteran that lost all four limbs in afghanistan and uh

00:55:08.180 from an ied attack and uh that perspective yeah uh was was helpful for me to remember how well

00:55:16.480 i have it yeah you know so i think it's it's probably when you see people like that that are

00:55:20.000 so like smiley and fun to be around you're like i'm in a bad mood how did he come up to you he

00:55:26.580 came up to me he had a his prosthetic hand and uh he he entered the room and you just felt this

00:55:31.920 presence and he's a big you know army guy and he and he comes up and uh he he goes good to meet you

00:55:36.700 and he went to shake my hand and i grabbed it so lightly and he goes oh my god and started screaming 0.93

00:55:41.580 and i'm like holy shit dude i fucked up and then he goes gotcha and i go if this dude is that happy 0.95

00:55:47.580 that positive playing games and and by the way running a retreat that uh that is helping other 0.99

00:55:52.840 wounded people get back to life like what the hell what am i going through yeah yeah yeah it was that

00:55:58.680 was that was the thing you know i can't remember any one thing specifically but man he was a good 0.50

00:56:03.180 dude that fucked uh jake and i up yeah because i mean beyond just watching the shows uh influence 0.70

00:56:11.760 a lot of what we do like man you'll see when we walk around it's it has the same vibe as like 0.98

00:56:16.760 fantasy factory and um you know what's funny is when i posted about him everyone was tagging you

00:56:21.580 and we didn't we don't know each other right and so everyone was tagging you in my photo and i'm

00:56:25.520 like what is going on and so i reached out to uh amanda cerny and i was like hey i don't we made

00:56:31.060 these like shirts uh with big black on them for like a memorial and and uh if logan wants some

00:56:36.420 like i'll send a bunch and she was like oh he only wears his own merch she didn't even ask me

00:56:40.800 she was like yeah sorry she didn't even ask me i think i might still have some well that's very

00:56:44.620 true for the most that would have been great yeah but i just assumed because everyone was tagging

00:56:48.860 you and i'm like why is everyone tagging logan paul in my photo but i assume that's probably

00:56:52.040 why i have a theory is it because of me and evan like we sort of oh yeah i mean because one my

00:56:59.940 roommate um evan also my best friend and is a dwarf so it's like oh yeah i've seen it's the

00:57:05.440 smaller version of robin big in our own type of content and uh yeah we're always fucking around

00:57:10.780 by the way people tag him also in everything like i it's just it's like oh really yeah i

00:57:16.320 I feel like that's what it is.

00:57:17.540 I feel like that's what it is.

00:57:18.420 You even see it.

00:57:19.860 They just released a new web series called Best Friends.

00:57:23.500 And, yeah, I mean, that's been a part of your life for a long time.

00:57:27.140 Yeah.

00:57:27.600 Plus, you guys, I mean, you guys influenced a whole generation

00:57:30.800 through what you did.

00:57:32.420 It's gnarly, man.

00:57:33.220 I'll tell you, like, for me looking back on it, it's, like, super trippy.

00:57:37.240 Because for us, like, you know, for you guys, and correct me if I'm wrong,

00:57:40.680 but I feel like you guys built up.

00:57:43.140 Like, you started a following, you got a following, you blah, blah, blah.

00:57:45.280 and now all of a sudden you have this thing that's insane you know for us it was like

00:57:49.760 oh we could maybe do someone's saying maybe we could do like a tv show and then like they put

00:57:54.560 cameras in the house but this is before like youtube or anything and so we start filming

00:57:57.960 ourselves just messing around but it's all worthless content then a writer comes in the

00:58:01.960 point is it gets to the point where robin big was nine different pilots shot edited and sent to

00:58:08.060 mtv all denied before the 10th one was finally approved wow and when it got approved jeff

00:58:13.360 tremaine said to me look man like your guy's life is going to change like people are going to

00:58:17.560 recognize you out in the street and blah blah blah and that seemed like the craziest thing in

00:58:20.940 the world to me i was like no way dude and and sure enough it hit and robin big especially and

00:58:26.500 fantasy factory too but robin big was such a phenomenon like when mtv was at the biggest

00:58:32.440 and it was this different thing for mtv and like it's so weird to now look back at it and be like

00:58:38.220 man i was a part of something crazy yeah you know we didn't know what we were making is it

00:58:43.220 uh is it weird or does it ever get um annoying when people bring it up i'm always hesitant to

00:58:50.320 to to bring up uh work xyz has done in the past if especially if it's like a staple of how people

00:58:58.660 know them yeah for me number one if we're doing a podcast obviously about like my my story obviously

00:59:04.400 it's it's gonna come up so it doesn't bother me so we're good it was for years for years people

00:59:08.080 be like what's up with the mini horse and you're like damn it dude i'm trying to buy some new shoes 0.94

00:59:11.580 you know like it sucked but that doesn't happen you go into like an investor meeting you know 0.97

00:59:16.200 because like everyone would treat me like i'm their little homie you know so they'd be like

00:59:19.680 drama shut up dude and i'm like what i'm on the phone you know like they're like coming up to you

00:59:25.020 and you're like girlfriend or wife or whatever and they're like yo you're gonna smash drama 0.99

00:59:28.300 you're like bro i'm 32 fucking like shut up dude but yeah now now i'm very very very like 0.94

00:59:34.980 grateful for it and like can look back at it from a different perspective is it is it a girlfriend 0.99

00:59:40.320 Girlfriend.

00:59:40.700 That's a girlfriend, right? 0.76

00:59:41.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:42.140 It must be nice.

00:59:42.820 Yeah, what's that like?

00:59:43.480 Are you guys all single?

00:59:44.340 Cool.

00:59:44.780 No, I'm dating as well.

00:59:46.500 The trusty vegan.

00:59:47.680 Yeah, the trusty vegan, though, didn't take his girlfriend out on a Valentine's Day.

00:59:52.220 And today's her birthday.

00:59:53.520 And also, what are your plans, Spencer?

00:59:55.080 She's working until 10, and then I'm going to go hang out and take her out.

00:59:58.320 You need a surprise. 0.82

00:59:59.360 Show up with flowers.

00:59:59.960 All right, what should I do?

01:00:00.820 Let's figure it out right now.

01:00:02.020 Show up with flowers and vegan chocolate.

01:00:04.720 Some soy.

01:00:05.180 Okay.

01:00:05.540 Is she vegan, too?

01:00:06.380 Yeah, she is.

01:00:07.200 Oh, you get her, like, an amazing vegan meal.

01:00:09.120 i don't know if that exists mig does maybe roses out of heads of lettuce bring her to crossroads

01:00:14.680 i mean you gotta do something trust i'm listening i'm here i need help boys yeah you gotta do

01:00:20.860 flowers you gotta do a nice vegan meal you gotta like you'd be like oh babe and then like when you

01:00:25.000 talk to her i'd be like yeah i don't know like i had a long day i was podcasting like i'll just

01:00:28.180 see you when i see you bam surprise actually is there a way to bring flowers which like technically

01:00:34.860 their plants and then actually eat them because i'll look into it yeah write her a note too i

01:00:41.760 could happen do you ever have a girlfriend that you were talking to that uh you split off with

01:00:47.840 and it seemed like it was like an amicable split and like you guys were going separate ways and 0.95

01:00:51.700 everything was good and then you they do something like fucked up bro i've been pretty lucky man i 0.83

01:00:57.360 when i break up i don't like i unfollow i don't check pages like i try not to feed into any of 0.96

01:01:04.660 that because that can happen so easily and the moment you you know feed in anything you're just

01:01:10.200 lighting that thing back up you know what i mean and so i i have been very fortunate that's how

01:01:15.260 i'm the same way as you with that i i tell people i told him and plenty other people like when i

01:01:21.580 when i put a band-aid on that wound and i start to see it heal over i'm not pulling that scab back 0.75

01:01:26.800 i don't want to revisit that shit um that's the big mistake that everyone makes yeah i think if 0.98

01:01:33.700 you watch the scab 0.99

01:01:35.740 heal without a band-aid

01:01:37.400 it makes you tough as nails dude

01:01:39.660 and like I'm sort of a masochist in that way

01:01:41.660 like what do you mean by that like say I

01:01:43.680 get hurt let's go on analogy

01:01:45.820 land right now say I got the

01:01:47.320 scab of breakup the wound of breakup

01:01:49.440 and it's like starting to heal

01:01:51.100 man I might scratch it a little bit

01:01:53.340 what's that mean like text like hey what are you doing

01:01:55.300 yeah or like a FaceTime

01:01:57.240 or maybe and then

01:01:59.580 you know it's a wound again a little bigger 0.99

01:02:01.560 this time and ugly and disgusting and smelly 0.96

01:02:03.580 But then you got yourself a scar 0.99

01:02:04.900 Yeah now you got a scar

01:02:06.000 You may have a scar forever

01:02:06.800 That's tight though

01:02:07.880 That's tight

01:02:08.380 Scars

01:02:08.720 Scars are 0.52

01:02:10.000 But one day you're gonna meet your wife 1.00

01:02:11.720 And you're gonna have all these damn scars 0.99

01:02:13.380 All over the place 0.99

01:02:14.060 Yeah

01:02:14.300 Man I love you Logan

01:02:15.320 You think a scar is worse than this 1.00

01:02:17.180 Fucking Squirtle tattoo next to my dick 1.00

01:02:19.100 Why do you have that? 1.00

01:02:22.140 Cause I got

01:02:22.760 I love Pokemon

01:02:23.960 I'm kinda quirky

01:02:25.520 Okay

01:02:25.940 Like I am quirky

01:02:26.740 I'm a geek

01:02:27.420 And like I grew up loving Pokemon

01:02:28.680 Until like even now

01:02:29.800 And uh

01:02:30.720 His name is Squirtle 1.00

01:02:32.220 And it's next to my dick 0.99

01:02:33.100 okay good enough for me it's got a rich story right there yeah i don't need any more we were 0.99

01:02:38.480 we were talking we were talking a lot about um you know the fact that you have a business it's

01:02:44.200 thriving but i think something that's interesting because i've been following your journey for a

01:02:48.340 while um you you started getting really deep into personal development and i feel like you i don't

01:02:54.560 want to discount that journey i'd love to hear from you like what motivated you to get into

01:03:00.880 self-development and to into becoming the best version of yourself because i gotta believe that

01:03:05.380 if you didn't do that young and reckless probably wouldn't be where it's at no chance uh this is

01:03:10.100 what it looked like for me i think that i moved out here when i was uh 18 i i uh had a lot of

01:03:17.960 success early you know i was kind of a part of all these shows and doing all this stuff and

01:03:22.260 but i still had so many bad habits and i did not have the tools to be like really successful and

01:03:29.320 happy and balanced and like really be a good person. And so I think, like I said, I was smoking

01:03:33.440 cigarettes and, and, uh, and just super unhealthy and all this stuff. And I think what really ended

01:03:39.560 up happening for me is in around 2015, when retail started having trouble and our business

01:03:45.620 got just clobbered, that took a huge toll on me. And I got real unhealthy. Like I was every night

01:03:52.420 just chugging wine at my house by myself, like mentally unhealthy, just wondering what it was

01:03:57.300 all for? What am I even doing? What is the whole, maybe Ohio is better for me than California. I

01:04:02.280 don't need any of this. And it was really like not good and dark and not anywhere where I ever

01:04:07.920 saw myself going. Like I had these ideas of myself, um, being successful and being all these things

01:04:14.640 and whatever. But so the point is I went through this patch. It lasted about, you know, real bad

01:04:19.300 for probably six months. And I, um, I just slowly started turning it around. I slowly started

01:04:27.420 working out a little bit. I slowly started learning about meditation. I always thought

01:04:30.960 meditation was the weirdest hippie Buddhist. I didn't know what it was, but it wasn't for me.

01:04:35.900 Right. And, um, I learned about it and started using it. And then, um, uh, literally like I have

01:04:42.000 my boy who like acts as my life coach. And I always thought life coach meant like, Oh, like you have

01:04:47.640 like a drug problem or something that you need someone or whatever it's just keeping me accountable

01:04:50.940 to goals and setting goals and where am I going with my business and how am I planning on getting

01:04:55.860 there and all that stuff and I think it just sent me into this journey of reading a crazy amount of

01:05:01.480 books having guests on my podcast that could help me with this thing and just learning how to have

01:05:07.900 these tools it's it's like I think some I don't want to say like oh poor me and other people have

01:05:13.360 it better but some families maybe they're high level executives or something like that in business

01:05:18.540 and they can train their kids how to be super super successful right that's not where i come

01:05:23.320 from and so even though i thought i was super sick at like 26 years old you know i was just killing

01:05:27.520 it i didn't have the tools i didn't i couldn't talk about any of this stuff and and it all added

01:05:31.400 up and it imploded and i think it put me in a real bad place so now i just love it like i think that

01:05:37.600 you know i'm not like a weird like i said a weird hippie guy and and and that sort of thing but i

01:05:42.080 just there's so much you can learn about um about improving yourself and calming your mind and not

01:05:49.700 going crazy and setting goals and being grateful for your life and they really do help and i wish

01:05:55.420 we learned it like in school or something but we don't that's what he's working on talking up his

01:05:59.440 so he's working if you could start a school where you do that i yeah there's i'm working on a

01:06:04.560 documentary about education yeah and so i've been i've got a bunch of schools that i'm visiting in

01:06:09.040 the next couple months but it's just wild i mean it education especially in america was designed

01:06:14.900 to to create factory workers and um we don't live in that society so we read the same books that our

01:06:23.860 parents read and what happens is our kids and us like we went to school and hated school like we

01:06:29.680 didn't have fun some people you know you like school but it's still you know you're trudging

01:06:35.340 through it and school is meant to education is never meant to stop so i think what you've tapped

01:06:41.400 into is true education yeah and i think that the the stuff you hear in school is just such a fraction

01:06:46.760 of you know what i mean it's like here's algebra here's whatever there's nothing about how to set

01:06:51.900 goals or how to like the fact that your mindset is something that is changeable and that you can

01:06:58.020 work on it and exercise it like a muscle and you can become more thankful for your life and you

01:07:02.660 can you know all these different things i heard a rumor that you had like affirmations or something

01:07:07.160 you used to do is that true yeah man um when i was in high school i wrote down on a piece of paper

01:07:12.480 i will be the most successful person i know and i uh hung it on the mirror yeah by the way 0.82

01:07:17.800 fuck does that mean what like yeah is it is that monetary is that like a population thing yeah i 0.94

01:07:24.520 don't know but i just had this burning burning desire to win yeah and achieve success and uh 0.99

01:07:32.760 i would repeat it to myself in the morning and night every time 10 times a day yeah and uh it

01:07:38.180 came true in in the most wild way possible yeah and i remember when i wrote down my first goal

01:07:44.000 ever which was to uh which was to buy a laptop the laptop that i that i got that i started editing

01:07:50.160 videos on i just i wrote it down and i was like this is never gonna happen this is like it's like

01:07:54.720 a 1200 laptop what how am i gonna get this money then when it came true i realized the power of

01:08:00.980 creating a goal yeah because now i had something to look forward to that i needed to make happen

01:08:06.760 because it was on a piece of paper yeah gets you moving i'm i'm extremely into that and actually

01:08:11.040 after this podcast ends i'm gonna go write a couple and uh hang the new ones up on the mirror

01:08:15.180 for 2019 when i met logan for the first time i walked into 1600 vine actually i think it was

01:08:23.340 like the first time we met um i came over and there was a christmas tree that had a dildo as

01:08:28.800 the angel and condoms uh on all the branches he said yes he got yeah so that caught me i mean i

01:08:34.980 was like this dude does it different for sure that's not a normal christmas tree remember uh

01:08:39.700 and then uh we ended up i ended up helping him film some videos and we were shooting a little

01:08:45.840 skit with maverick and i like saw on his mirror in the bathroom he had like a sticky note that

01:08:51.440 said i'll be the number one entertainer in the world and i like that to me motivated me i was

01:08:56.500 like i was relatively big on affirmations because they've helped me so much but when i saw that i

01:09:01.880 was like oh he's doing it too yeah you know i thought i was alone in that process there's a

01:09:06.120 reason why i mean growing up like i said like growing up skater kid from from akron like that

01:09:11.100 stuff seems so weird you know it's just so like oh i don't know man that's some weird spiritual i

01:09:16.180 don't know there's a reason why so many successful people have the same story right there's a reason

01:09:22.360 why these things work and i think it's something that i wish we could sort of take the weirdness

01:09:27.080 out of and just teach people how to do it like a like it's a course or something and you'd be

01:09:31.540 amazed at how much just because all you're doing is focusing your brain every day on what you want

01:09:34.780 to do it's it's funny you say that because i think uh because i am probably out of the three

01:09:39.740 of us uh the least developed in personal development and goal setting and and those

01:09:46.460 kind of things and i've i've for for reasons other than laziness and and other people's reasons a lot

01:09:52.320 of the time because of things that i've been through and things that have taken the priority

01:09:55.400 of my time and and and effort um but i think similarly to you i found out the power of goal

01:10:02.480 setting and key performance indicators and stuff for business. And now I have to get a little bit

01:10:08.160 smarter and just apply those same tactics to real life and set a strategic, you know, five-year

01:10:13.380 set of five-year strategy, set a tactical, you know, routine with daily goals and so on and so

01:10:18.860 forth. I've still haven't done it or done a good job of it, but it's funny to hear from someone

01:10:22.780 like you that kind of learned how to do it from a business stance first and then just apply it to

01:10:27.120 your personal life. And then, you know, it's just like anything you dive into one book and then

01:10:30.960 there's three more that come out of that and then you find a podcast and then you find it that's like

01:10:34.020 if you want to go down that road you can go down it pretty easy and i think like it's shocking how

01:10:39.160 much information there is out there and how just it's just another world that you just you're just

01:10:44.000 not taught to think of the world that way right you think like learn learn learn some are lucky

01:10:47.300 some aren't i don't know work hard there's a there's a lot of science being conducted right

01:10:52.920 now that shows like seventh grade as the cutoff period where seventh grade is usually where

01:10:59.480 imagination dies um so if you sounds horrible that sounds so sad it's what happens though

01:11:05.880 unfortunately because we focus so much on standardized testing and preparing kids to

01:11:11.000 know certain things that i would argue too that it dies because you tell them it's not worth it

01:11:15.640 it's there's nothing to it absolutely tell them like kill that learn math you know what i mean

01:11:19.720 and so i think we kill it it doesn't i think you can get it back like yeah Walt Disney right like 0.67

01:11:24.780 You can't tell me his imagination was dead.

01:11:26.260 And I think like the kids who are the reckless ones in a sense or the mavericks are the ones like us that end up like you're such a rebel.

01:11:36.100 You're getting in so much trouble in high school or whatever that you end up being successful because you're so against that conformity.

01:11:43.400 Yeah, almost always.

01:11:44.320 Yeah.

01:11:44.480 You know, there's a saying the ones who think they're crazy enough to change the world are the ones who actually do it.

01:11:49.580 Yeah.

01:11:49.980 Yeah.

01:11:50.380 It's yeah, it's a belief. 0.85

01:11:51.340 I always feel weird when a girl, stranger, like even for you, for example, walk into

01:11:58.380 my bathroom and they see, you know, I will be the biggest entertainer in the world.

01:12:03.500 I will beat KSI on August 25th.

01:12:05.700 I'm like, man, what do these people think? 0.99

01:12:07.440 Like, I think I'm a crazy man, but at the same token, I fucking am. 0.99

01:12:11.440 True. 0.98

01:12:11.980 I want to go to an audio only Q&A.

01:12:13.460 I'm going to end the visual right here.

01:12:14.440 But yo, Chris, thank you for coming on.

01:12:15.860 Thanks for having me.

01:12:16.400 Where can they find you on social media?

01:12:17.860 Drama on Instagram and Short Story Long for my podcast.

01:12:22.240 Of course.

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01:12:24.320 Couple Ohio boys in the house. 0.99

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01:12:41.720 We do that on ours too.

01:12:42.840 No, you do?

01:12:44.240 Listen, this is based on hard data. 1.00

01:12:46.760 We say the same shit. 1.00

01:12:48.320 We say the same shit. 1.00

01:12:49.220 The guests are like, is it really? 1.00

01:12:50.660 We're like, yeah, of course.

01:12:51.900 Of course it is.

01:12:52.420 Of course it is.

01:12:53.200 There's like a, there's an island where all the number one podcasts exist.

01:12:57.320 Yes.

01:12:57.560 Obviously, we're all there.

01:12:58.220 It's good knowing you're on it with us.

01:13:00.000 So you do podcasts?

01:13:01.740 I do.

01:13:02.060 One or two?

01:13:02.900 Two.

01:13:03.260 Okay.

01:13:04.320 How are you making money, man?

01:13:05.400 Because we have to make any money from sponsors.

01:13:09.680 We're working on it.

01:13:11.300 We've had some offers, but they've just haven't been the right ones.

01:13:14.000 Yeah.

01:13:14.180 But we'll get there.

01:13:15.200 You just started though, right?

01:13:16.420 Yeah.

01:13:16.760 Yeah, I just started doing, I've done mine for two years and I, when I first started it, I wanted it to be like just for the love of the game, right?

01:13:25.120 Like I have a business, it does well.

01:13:26.620 I'm able to share this thing with everyone for free. 0.99

01:13:29.240 But it just got to a size where I was like, okay, this is just stupid, right?

01:13:33.640 Like I should start doing ads and stuff.

01:13:34.980 So I'm just now figuring that out.

01:13:36.500 But, you know, it's just right now it's just ad reads for like LinkedIn and this thing, which I'm trying to kind of avoid.

01:13:43.420 LinkedIn, reach out.

01:13:45.400 That's good.

01:13:46.040 some money in the funnel we got an audience that will move from a to b uh you have a favorite

01:13:52.260 podcast guest that you've had on hmm that's a big one that's some big ones must have been fun to do

01:13:59.780 gary v gary v was great i just think that gary v uh he has so much content and he has his thing

01:14:05.740 kind of dialed that you kind of you know he got i got a little bit of a different angle from him but

01:14:09.380 um i think uh i had charlamagne the god i love him i'm just a legitimate fan of his

01:14:15.800 yeah and then this is kind of the the dorky one but i my last two guests ago was um robert green

01:14:21.440 who wrote the 48 laws of power oh yeah and like he was so good and he was so nice and i was sitting

01:14:26.600 across from him and i'm like man like i don't feel like i should be able to talk to you is he

01:14:30.700 super intense like like no no he's really sweet so because of the because you're saying because

01:14:36.980 of the like yeah so he said like i understand that this the book seems kind of evil but it's

01:14:43.100 i'm just telling you how people are using power i don't do this right you know you're like i don't

01:14:48.880 believe you yeah because like if you read that you're like yo like i i thought it was written 0.78

01:14:53.400 by like some dictator or some shit 100 he's a nice older man that's just sweet as can be what

01:14:59.860 are what are i was just gonna say regarding the 48 laws of power um someone someone gave me that 0.67

01:15:05.380 book. And I don't love reading texts from other people because in my mind, I've sort of came up

01:15:16.120 with the notion that what qualifies them to give me advice on anything. I like figuring stuff out

01:15:22.540 for myself. And granted, I'm always down for a mentor, but this book specifically, I opened it

01:15:27.820 up. I started reading it. And rule number one was, I'm looking at it right now, never outshine

01:15:32.740 the master and then i was like okay so then i read the breakdown of it and uh i disagree with

01:15:39.900 that and disagree with it right off the bat so i stopped reading yeah you gotta you gotta read

01:15:43.980 the rest of it it's it's it's wild like number 15 is always stuck out to me uh crush your your

01:15:49.300 opponent totally and so like it's about making sure that like every piece of ember that exists

01:15:55.020 within your opponent is completely extinguished because when they come back they will come back

01:15:58.840 with a vengeance that you've not seen before yeah and so you need to apply that to your next fight 0.92

01:16:02.820 with ksi like you need to obviously you need to obviously extinguish him yeah i think the way that

01:16:08.220 it applies i don't know how you feel about this but i think the way it applies not to speak for

01:16:11.600 him but is like if you had this you have this house and you have your platform you have everything 0.90

01:16:16.380 you have but one of the homies just couldn't help but try to like yeah but you know me bro check out 1.00

01:16:22.600 my podcast you'd be like yo you're out of here you're gone so now your whole opportunity is lost 0.96

01:16:26.200 because logan just fired you right and i think that's kind of the advice is like but what if that

01:16:30.520 person is capable of hosting a better podcast than me then when the time's right you you leave and

01:16:36.660 you do it i'm sure i'll have a podcast sure so i'm sure that one day mike will breach this contract

01:16:43.600 and and start his own podcast and it'll be a hit in three days he'll be gone yeah yeah he has three

01:16:49.840 days to leave now we we we luckily have a uh have a bad it's an interesting thing here man

01:16:55.920 it really is like i think uh i don't know that we'll be able to get into it enough today but the

01:17:00.360 the relationship of of roommates work like associates and and literally best friends

01:17:08.020 family is uh unhealthy it's it can be it can be but it's it's also like uh you have to be very

01:17:18.180 cautious like like with it for example like he'll um he'll have notes to me that are personal notes

01:17:25.420 for like we'll be out at a party and he'll go to tell me something and he'll use like the words

01:17:30.440 like 10 to 15 percent better or worse like to describe something i'm doing at the club and i'm 0.88

01:17:36.140 like and and he's like take he's like listen man take the fucking note i said 10 to 15 percent and 0.86

01:17:41.500 i'm like bro like i don't know if i can apply that i don't want to get too much into it but 0.97

01:17:46.140 it's like say like i'm like you're dancing say like yeah like 10 percent better no say i drink

01:17:51.520 too much red bull which happens okay and i'm like just hey man like like owning a conversation

01:17:56.580 that's not mine yeah he's like hey man why don't you dial it back about 10 to 15 but it's great

01:18:00.780 it's also not a great it's not a business thing no no no i'm not yo you're being obnoxious in a

01:18:05.220 group of people right and i'm not saying that i'm not saying it's just funny yeah uh because it is

01:18:10.800 a business like no it's the way he makes it and so it's funny how like all of them play together

01:18:15.080 But also I tell him, please do the same as much as you can.

01:18:20.680 Please give me notes.

01:18:21.860 They're my favorite thing in the world.

01:18:23.160 They are literally my favorite thing in the world because I either agree with them or I don't.

01:18:26.680 And if I do agree with them, I've just became better in a way.

01:18:29.360 I think that's what keeps us sane at the house is respect, too.

01:18:33.220 At the end of the day, like there's nothing that's like a personal jab.

01:18:38.960 Like even if there's like heated moments, like we can always like, you know, calm heads prevail.

01:18:44.080 yeah and he uh he uh it's funny because there's a one of the things we've bonded over to a point

01:18:52.100 that we're literally like brothers is uh i i have never been a yes man to him like when he like he'll

01:18:59.220 he'll show a lot of times a room of of people or a group of people things and they're like that's 0.98

01:19:03.820 amazing that's like do it logan do it and i'm just like bro like that's the dumbest fucking thing i've 0.90

01:19:08.280 ever seen him and that's like he loves that yeah and like so there's always there's always people 0.99

01:19:11.880 online that are like how does it feel being a yes man i'm like bro you have no fucking clue and he

01:19:16.980 says it too dude he's like he's the exact opposite he's like the no man yeah yeah that's what's 0.65

01:19:21.440 important man it's really hard what you guys are doing meaning truly being friends working together

01:19:26.680 doing all this stuff it's difficult but little things like notes and that type of stuff will

01:19:30.940 make it work truth i feel like i'm like a relationship kind of listen just keeping honest

01:19:35.220 with each other is there anyone from ohio that you're tight with like you ever hang out with

01:19:38.820 like mgk or lebron i wish i have a funny lebron story when i so i'm from akron lebron's from

01:19:45.340 akron lebron's i think two years ahead of me in school my dad is a photographer uh shoots like

01:19:50.840 you know your senior pictures and all that stuff the sports teams at your school and uh he he would

01:19:55.780 always come to me and be like you really should come watch this kid lebron play in high school

01:20:00.140 yeah and i was like dad i don't care about some basketball player what are you talking about

01:20:05.060 and he was like i'm telling you christopher you should really whatever and i'm like dad leave me

01:20:10.360 alone so then literally my parents shot the first photos of lebron his wife and their first baby

01:20:16.280 at their studio and like one of those cheesy photography backgrounds my dad was like christopher 0.96

01:20:20.740 you should really come meet lebron today and i'm like dad enough about this stupid high school 0.77

01:20:25.440 basketball player i don't care and then it ends up being lebron i could just that could have been 0.78

01:20:30.380 my friend i could just see you boys with lebron right now that could be my akron homie oh my god 0.98

01:20:35.840 you fucked up why did you go so bad did you go i thought like what he's a good basketball player 0.99

01:20:41.660 at saint v i don't even like basketball like why would i go i didn't understand then he was on 1.00

01:20:45.880 sports illustrated remember that famous high school cover and i was like shit it's too late

01:20:49.600 i already blew it how old were you i was probably 16 all right so here's my my thought on i when i 0.82

01:20:55.860 was when i started riding bmx yeah and i was at woodward every summer you know what i'm saying

01:21:00.880 in pennsylvania and so people would be like hey man like my dad would be like hey there's a real 0.99

01:21:05.100 great hockey game going on this weekend i would be like hey dad do me a favor fuck off dude and 0.99

01:21:10.140 i'll get on my bike and i'll go down the street and grind shit yep same thing and so i'm thinking 0.99

01:21:14.100 your dad was like you got a good chance to meet this here lbj and you're like dad i'm getting my 0.99

01:21:18.580 skateboard and i'm fucking out of here like enough with this shit and then uh so anyway then he ended 0.96

01:21:22.820 up becoming lebron and then machine gun kelly is my homie i love him oh tight but we i didn't know 0.95

01:21:27.040 him in ohio i met him after i had already moved out here i feel like that photo is probably worth

01:21:32.240 something too right now does your dad still have that he does right when you walk in his studio

01:21:35.720 it's like just lebron and his wife and their first born child that's i mean that's get that

01:21:40.200 signed and that's 100 my dad's just one of those like too honest like ohio guys like i will not

01:21:45.360 it's amazing i'm not gonna it's good to know that there's still we we uh we saw lebron recently uh

01:21:50.880 hide believe it or not back to the topic and he was uh he was he was drinking some wine just like

01:21:56.220 kind of bopping dude and it but it was it was interesting like uh was that back when he got

01:21:59.840 he was injured yeah and i it's funny like whenever you see like those guys out because like you'll

01:22:05.220 always see like your your pseudo celebs out and you're you know pseudo athletes or whatever you

01:22:09.600 know or extreme sports whatever and uh but like we were you know next table from him and he's just

01:22:14.860 like you know dancing with his bottle of wine and shit i'm like yeah that's lebron yeah he's pretty 0.75

01:22:19.080 You can't take that away from it. 0.99

01:22:20.320 He's one of my favorites.

01:22:21.660 He's just, it's too good.

01:22:23.400 But yeah, could have been my best friend.

01:22:24.880 So instead, I just have normal best friends.

01:22:26.860 You got your skateboard.

01:22:28.140 All right, we'll end there.

01:22:29.560 Thank you again, Chris.

01:22:30.640 Thank you, guys.

01:22:31.220 This was great.

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01:23:40.240 As they pose the question, what if?

01:23:42.820 Listen to Black Lit on the Black Effect Podcast Network on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

01:23:49.320 What up? This is Jay Valentine, co-host of the R&B Money Podcast alongside my brother, R&B legend Tank.

01:23:55.100 Together we've built a space for artists, executives, and fans of R&B music to reminisce and tell the real stories behind the music.

01:24:01.740 I have no money. I was hood famous.

01:24:03.520 They think you're going to get everybody out.

01:24:04.580 We lived in a project. Real love came out.

01:24:06.720 They're hearing the music and we had nothing.

01:24:08.660 From Smokey Robinson to Mary J. Blige, B2K to Jill Scott, if you're a super dedicated R&B fan, this is where you belong.

01:24:15.520 Listen to R&B Money from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

01:24:23.540 On recent episodes of The Questlove Show, I chatted with JoJo about her music and Wallow267 about his story and everything in between.

01:24:31.160 Don't invite me to karaoke. I'm going to make it weird.

01:24:34.120 Someone's going to try to sing Leave Get Out or Too Little Too Late or Baby It's You.

01:24:37.200 and I'm going to be like, okay, cool.

01:24:40.700 Check out my conversation with JoJo, WALO267

01:24:43.440 and more on the Questlove show.

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01:24:52.440 Peace.

Impaulsive with Logan Paul - February 19, 2019

DRAMA： FROM ROB & BIG TO YOUNG & RECKLESS - IMPAULSIVE EP. 38

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