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00:02:09.280 podcast i lost everything i had many friends i had many people who believed in me i had many people

00:02:19.620 who were happy for this job that i was doing many people were wanting to work with me and things like

00:02:23.220 that and i had great friends and i was the happiest i'd ever been and then one day when i was in paris

00:02:30.580 new year's eve editing that video and then of course it ended fall out afterwards gone in a

00:02:35.760 blink people who i believe to be some of my closest friends i have not spoken to since

00:02:41.280 well no it's not that it's just i mean at the end you win you win one award and it gets to 0.99

00:02:52.540 your fucking head it's not the award it's the tv show to be honest i don't really give a fuck 0.99

00:02:56.220 about this digital shit mike's mike became hot shit overnight welcome back to impulsive 1.00

00:03:01.060 the factually statistically number one podcast in the world ladies and gentlemen we won the 0.99

00:03:09.520 streaming award for best podcast this is actually not it because they took it from us immediately

00:03:14.020 after they gave it to us but um yeah we won a streaming award guys wow wow taking dubs into

00:03:20.080 2020 we really are that's what it's about i'm proud of us i'm proud of our team everyone who's

00:03:24.600 here and you guys don't see it there's a whole uh crew behind the camera that that makes this show

00:03:29.440 possible we got brad over there working the computer switching the angles we got danny

00:03:33.180 working the lights taking the notes which by the way if she doesn't take we will get canceled

00:03:36.200 jed on the review team jed we have to give a shout out to you we forgot to thank you on stage but

00:03:41.080 jed thank you for making sure that we uh don't say anything too inappropriate um we love you

00:03:47.100 and we know you spend a lot of time by the way guys he reviews every single one of these podcasts

00:03:50.720 and he's got a family and a beautiful wife too and and kid just really all around killing it

00:03:54.960 we love you and then dylan obviously our producer right there thank you dylan he's the enthusiastic

00:03:59.800 guy who makes sure we are prepared for all of our guests and then i gotta thank my co-host

00:04:04.500 spencer taylor hey big mike thank you bro yeah thank you um it feels really good to win something

00:04:11.820 yeah you know what let me just play our acceptance speech yeah let's do it let's do it let's check 0.51

00:04:15.260 it out oh fuck what i don't know mine was just such a call to action about social reform and 0.99

00:04:20.640 shit it's too early for this shit i just rolled out a fucking threesome bro which we'll get into 1.00

00:04:25.460 that in a second but here we go you know the last two years for all of us has been a crazy journey 1.00

00:04:30.220 but thank you guys for giving us a platform to just be idiots be ourselves and just have a blast

00:04:36.220 thank you guys hey everyone feels good to actually win something there's a lot of good podcasts out 0.54

00:04:44.700 there everyone in our category is amazing and to be honest we're always surprised when you choose us

00:04:48.880 um but for real this award goes to everyone who gave him also a chance for everyone who is tired

00:04:54.280 of all the bs in the world and for everyone who craves authenticity and realness we're happy to

00:04:58.720 provide that uh we know you guys ride or die with us and we appreciate you we love you and thank you

00:05:04.100 for making us statistically and factually the number one podcast in the world

00:05:08.760 i was gonna wait for the oscars for this but and i hate to kill the mood but

00:05:15.680 i want this award to go to the 400 000 people americans that have died in the opiate epidemic

00:05:21.540 you are not forgotten the people struggling with mental health out there put one foot in

00:05:26.520 the other i'm living proof that it gets better yes you are mike yes you are couldn't have said

00:05:34.220 better myself i guess i i guess you did but so we so we won the streamy award and then we're on the

00:05:40.540 sprinter on the way back debating whether or not to go out that night and i turned to david our

00:05:44.520 german videographer i mean what do you think dave and he goes logan you know i have to say 0.84

00:05:49.600 this is the only win of the year so let us get fucked up we should go to club we should go to 0.78

00:05:56.020 i said i said david i go david that is the smartest thing you've ever said wow so we got 0.99

00:06:00.660 fucked up. Dang. We got way 0.99

00:06:02.660 fucked up. You guys look great. 0.99

00:06:04.780 I didn't get fucked up. You're handling 0.98

00:06:06.720 yourselves pretty well. I didn't even drink last night. I drank water.

00:06:09.240 Oh, really? I'm not gonna give a speech

00:06:10.600 of that fucking magnitude and then fucking 1.00

00:06:12.720 drink. I can't iterate 1.00

00:06:14.900 how false that

00:06:16.780 is. I had a few cocktails. I was

00:06:18.720 excited about the victory, bro.

00:06:20.400 And by the way, we followed up 0.98

00:06:22.480 fucking Jojo Siwa on that stage, bro. 0.98

00:06:24.760 She was at the club, too? 1.00

00:06:27.100 Mixed up fucking X 1.00

00:06:28.700 and Y, dude. It's so funny. They put us... 1.00

00:06:30.300 we sat in the back row

00:06:31.540 and we were the most

00:06:32.320 hype group of people

00:06:33.120 like Jojo went up

00:06:34.000 we're like

00:06:34.260 Jojo

00:06:35.060 Jojo

00:06:35.760 she's like a little sister

00:06:37.220 to me

00:06:37.480 you know I love Jojo

00:06:38.260 but yeah we got

00:06:39.320 we got freaking 0.56

00:06:40.540 shwasty masty plastered 0.84

00:06:42.640 and then

00:06:43.360 we ordered

00:06:44.040 you ordered

00:06:44.580 $200 worth of

00:06:45.660 Carl's Jr

00:06:46.220 the card got declined

00:06:48.200 for some reason

00:06:48.980 his Amex

00:06:50.040 the no limit Amex

00:06:51.200 yeah I need to meet

00:06:52.000 with you after

00:06:52.580 to rectify

00:06:53.680 you ordered

00:06:55.080 too much Carl's Jr

00:06:56.340 yo we ordered

00:06:57.060 so much Carl's Jr

00:06:57.960 why did you guys not get Arby's

00:06:58.680 because it was 0.96

00:06:59.160 four in the morning bro and like everyone's sleeping andre was fucking like please i must 0.98

00:07:04.220 wake up early for my meditation session you guys are crushing my soul bro and i got twins here 0.97

00:07:09.420 i had twins here bro they weren't they were twins they were sisters that looked alike sisters that 0.96

00:07:14.200 look sisters that looked alike or yeah so they one was younger whatever i don't fucking know 0.54

00:07:18.920 but he he ordered like 30 girls to come out not ordered i wouldn't say not like carl jr 0.58

00:07:24.620 but he like

00:07:26.520 yo

00:07:28.420 what

00:07:29.160 but he did

00:07:30.000 but he did like

00:07:30.840 he was just texting

00:07:32.380 every girl he knew

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00:07:34.960 like yo

00:07:35.360 come over

00:07:36.100 come over

00:07:36.480 and at one point

00:07:37.300 it was like

00:07:37.940 usually we have a little

00:07:39.260 man door 1.00

00:07:39.780 where the girls come in 1.00

00:07:40.680 it couldn't even fit 1.00

00:07:41.880 all the girls 0.57

00:07:42.380 so we had to open 1.00

00:07:43.080 the big car gate

00:07:44.140 dude and they poured in 0.99

00:07:45.080 like the fucking red sea 0.99

00:07:46.080 which 0.99

00:07:46.180 no I just 1.00

00:07:47.120 fucking girls just poured in 1.00

00:07:48.900 I just kept getting text 1.00

00:07:50.060 I had met a lot of people

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00:07:51.800 and I just kept getting text

00:07:52.960 and when I drink

00:07:54.020 i'm like a happy drunk so i was just like everyone come out over we'll have a party yeah so we play

00:07:58.320 pool we play ping pong we ate cars jr wow that's a party that's a party it's so funny how how like 0.75

00:08:06.220 i realized how fucked up i am in terms of that stuff because like last night we were all partying 0.99

00:08:11.160 like hanging out making noise other people are complaining andre's like please please my fucking 0.99

00:08:16.480 chakras bro you gotta stop dude i'm becoming unaligned with mercury retrograde i'm like 0.99

00:08:20.900 all right we're working on it right and then and we're loud as fuck and then as soon as i shut it 0.99

00:08:26.540 down like for me i go upstairs and i send a text out that's like shut the fuck up down there this 0.99

00:08:31.860 party's fucking over if i had to come clear house i'm gonna come down there it's it's the worst to 0.98

00:08:36.060 uh to be woken up in the like by the way 4 a.m by a bunch of rowdy teenagers that's one thing i 0.98

00:08:41.300 forgot we're not teens anymore technically but tweens it's about the same we're tweens uh yeah

00:08:45.880 overall fun night yeah it was good it was good yeah good and we i guess we had to sell it like

00:08:49.820 david was like you must celebrate and by the way i had filmed two pilot episodes for the for the

00:08:56.060 show that i'm not going to talk much about yet but like for this mtv shit we shot two pilots 0.64

00:09:01.660 so i was there all day left got in the car which by the way dude in a suit drives me in the back 0.91

00:09:07.340 he's like i take your bag all the shit after i leave hair makeup all the stuff whatever 0.96

00:09:10.820 we go to the fucking stream were you carrying the duffel by the way just to be official like 0.99

00:09:14.820 you have to bring multiple clothing options for the wardrobe people then they have to come take 0.96

00:09:21.220 context i i just want to give a little context yeah i was trying not to give too much i'll get

00:09:25.220 it i don't work for mtv and you can't fire me so uh jake mike tana mojo and the hot felon have a

00:09:32.700 ridiculousness spinoff called the bustedness yeah the set is so legit everything the production is

00:09:41.100 amazing there's like 50 to 75 extras in the crowd like it's there's a live audience um and we went 0.96

00:09:48.200 we visited mike yesterday and you had a little that shit was nerve-wracking i had the same 0.98

00:09:52.700 for true og uh impulsive people watchers that even outdate a lot of the people in this fucking room 0.96

00:10:00.460 episode one episode one this is an important episode to talk about today i had a 0.97

00:10:05.760 a meltdown a fatality a full-on fucking anxiety attack and i and we powered through it didn't we 0.63

00:10:12.860 you two did yeah you did i'll remember because i wrote it in my book it's in it's in chapter two 0.99

00:10:17.660 of my book and uh he's like so you're a sex doctor how do you get into that line of work and i'm like

00:10:22.720 and he ran off and he goes to me i ran off and i i hear in the background i hear him like i think

00:10:28.840 just had a meltdown and everyone's laughing and i'm like no and i'm in the bathroom just sweating

00:10:33.880 like crying and no i wasn't crying but i'm in the bathroom like looking in my eyes i'm like bro

00:10:37.480 why are you so sweaty it's not even that hot out there right and i realized like when i do new 0.88

00:10:42.940 things new shows especially when i get in front of a fucking live audience oh yeah hundreds of 0.88

00:10:50.160 people bro live audience still throws me even given that acceptance speech i was like i was 0.98

00:10:54.880 like excited that we won the award and then as soon as i got up to stage i was like oh shit this 0.58

00:10:58.160 is like a room full of people i wrote down i wrote down a speech like what i wanted to say

00:11:03.820 and i'm not gonna lie i was like tipsy when i went on stage that helps i feel like it will if

00:11:08.160 you're a little out of nerves maybe but also i memorized the script i wrote down literally word

00:11:14.200 for word i was speaking and i couldn't believe i wasn't stuttering over myself so you got a little

00:11:19.860 nervous too no but it's just okay i was more surprised that i said exactly what i wanted to

00:11:25.520 say you know but yeah i usually i usually would have said something that ruins my life yeah career

00:11:30.800 I think on the note of your meltdown though

00:11:33.620 So wait, you melted down during the show? 1.00

00:11:35.940 I had the same kind of shit 0.99

00:11:36.920 Like right when the show started and it like panned over to me 0.99

00:11:39.200 I was like, everyone's watching

00:11:40.800 And by the way, they turned the temperature down

00:11:44.120 And I was wearing a big Supreme jacket

00:11:45.680 It was so hot

00:11:46.980 When I arrived, I'm like, yo, it is freezing in here

00:11:49.980 I'm like, why is it so cold?

00:11:51.260 The producer comes up to me, he's like, that's because your friend Mike

00:11:53.320 Had a panic attack

00:11:54.460 They had to turn on the temperature because he was sweating

00:11:57.180 But it was so hot up there

00:12:00.160 and they said they actually i'm not gonna say it but they they had to turn the temperature down

00:12:03.500 really far and that helped and then i went back i took like two minutes i got cleaned up i went

00:12:07.840 back out there and i was like yo thank you the audience for being patient i got a little bit

00:12:11.820 of anxiety i don't know if anybody out there feels it they're like we feel it bro we love you

00:12:15.240 that's all this shit and so they were super time if you have an audience that like is helping you

00:12:19.820 also also also bro like if you remember during the live 100th episode of impulsive we had a live 0.98

00:12:25.360 audience and they're just like our friends and so there's no reaction no they just sat people

00:12:30.640 waiting at the dmv dmv the people the people the live audience at his show are being paid to be

00:12:37.340 there to laugh and have fun every joke you tell the funniest joke of your life the guy goes like

00:12:42.420 this when they have to clap he goes he goes like this and you can see it in my instagram story

00:12:45.260 dylan is that guy like dylan will be that guy like once he moves on from like the the more

00:12:50.720 like crappy tier shows to like to real production gigs bro he what are you talking about you get 0.97

00:12:58.040 one fucking mtv show i'm kidding i'm kidding big time i want to remind you you're sitting on 0.98

00:13:05.180 the best podcast of 2019 132 plus million views crazy on youtube alone you got that 132 million 0.98

00:13:14.980 how many how many downloads yeah true and trust me bro i get it and this one actually yesterday

00:13:26.180 dude like nothing really as you guys know nothing really gets me too like when's the last time you 0.77

00:13:29.920 saw me like yeah we fucking did it unless i finesse a threesome which i might do that 0.89

00:13:33.820 but it's very rare that i'm like we did it man good job boys yesterday was like one of those 0.98

00:13:38.700 days where i was like yo today was a great day we got the award for the fucking podcast and i was 0.89

00:13:43.720 like amped i was pumped for the crew bro yeah whoa ladies and gentlemen if you heard me talk 0.91

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00:14:45.060 episode is i have high hopes i think i think this episode is going to be incredible you know and i

00:14:52.840 and i hope we can live up to that expectation because the guest is phenomenal ladies and

00:14:58.340 gentlemen one of my very good friends and the chief editor for maverick media he's edited almost

00:15:04.140 every single piece of content that I've

00:15:06.280 put on YouTube. He's moved from England

00:15:08.180 to America to become a more intimate part

00:15:10.340 of this operation. We've had

00:15:12.220 many highs. We've had many lows.

00:15:14.640 But it is the most interesting

00:15:16.080 man I know. Hayden

00:15:17.980 Hillier-Smith.

00:15:24.160 Yes!

00:15:25.740 Let's go, dude! 0.98

00:15:27.260 Damn, I haven't seen that type of energy since Alex 0.99

00:15:30.100 Jones, bro. It's good to finally 0.99

00:15:32.160 be in the seat. Finally.

00:15:33.180 We've been trying to get Hayden on for a while

00:15:36.040 And it doesn't make sense

00:15:36.760 Because from day one he lives here

00:15:39.220 He's friends with all of us 0.96

00:15:40.480 It's fucking great to be here finally 0.88

00:15:43.880 Yeah finally bro 0.97

00:15:45.000 Where do we begin to unpack

00:15:48.080 This what is now a three year

00:15:50.320 Relationship

00:15:51.040 Of probably

00:15:54.060 No

00:15:55.520 The craziest YouTube journey any creator

00:15:58.100 Has ever experienced

00:15:58.920 I never even anticipated where this would go

00:16:01.760 no idea like i don't even think you know this when i first got the job i'll be like all right 0.99

00:16:04.800 i'll work with this dude for like three four months and i'll tell him to fuck off by then 0.84

00:16:07.760 yeah i was like i literally oh you're just another vlogger i didn't understand the space that well 0.98

00:16:13.700 and then suddenly like six months in you had your first million subscribers and i was like

00:16:17.600 oh shit this is something yeah and i've stayed with you yeah for three years now three years

00:16:21.820 and it's it's like hayden is a true day one so let i guess let's start there yeah i wanted to 0.96

00:16:27.480 start daily vlogging i was the vine guy and you said you'd know me a little bit from vine yeah

00:16:31.260 like i've been on vine and i'd seen a couple of your sketches here and there and i was like that

00:16:34.060 was i just knew that you existed yeah yeah yeah so i started vlogging and um you guys know that

00:16:39.820 daily vlogging is a grind i i i really do think people i don't think people really actually know

00:16:45.620 you say no one will ever understand i'm a i'm a very happy person the first two weeks of daily

00:16:53.080 vlogging where i had to edit by myself was the most miserable time of my life when you go on

00:16:59.340 holiday there is no finer achievement than doing absolutely nothing nothing on the beach nothing by

00:17:06.840 the pool walking kind of nowhere and chatting about nothing as an Expedia member you can save

00:17:13.880 up to 30% when you add a hotel to your flight so you can have a bit more money to go out there

00:17:20.220 with great ambition to do absolutely nothing expedia made to travel i have i remember on day

00:17:30.300 11 i was like after like a night of three hours of sleep for the seventh day in a row i was like

00:17:35.980 i can't keep living like this i will i will run myself into the grave if i keep doing this by

00:17:40.420 myself so i went and searched for an editor hayden was like one of the first people that was

00:17:44.960 recommended to me and i knew i wanted someone that was based in the uk so i could upload footage to

00:17:50.020 them at the end of the day and since they're eight hours ahead i wake up in the morning and it's done

00:17:55.140 i think i was present when that conversation was had didn't jake tell you something about like

00:18:00.500 finding content creator or uh editors in london was that how you found out or no no no that was

00:18:06.360 my idea i was you told jake i told you i couldn't i couldn't believe yeah i couldn't believe that

00:18:11.980 the the vloggers like uh like casey um roman at the time didn't have editors one and then

00:18:18.160 Didn't have an editor

00:18:19.840 Who was based

00:18:20.560 In a time

00:18:22.600 What's

00:18:24.740 Time zone

00:18:25.480 Time zone

00:18:25.860 That was like

00:18:26.300 Ahead of us

00:18:26.780 Right

00:18:27.040 Sorry my brain is

00:18:27.900 I thought you were going to say

00:18:28.860 Like a land before time

00:18:29.840 Nah

00:18:30.100 I'm a little over

00:18:30.900 I think that's the interesting thing

00:18:32.060 With Casey's content

00:18:33.060 Like the quality

00:18:34.060 That he was producing

00:18:34.820 I don't think anyone

00:18:36.320 Could particularly

00:18:37.060 Reproduce that

00:18:37.840 That's that

00:18:38.340 I asked him why

00:18:39.020 Why he didn't

00:18:39.840 Have an editor

00:18:40.440 And he was

00:18:40.960 That was his

00:18:42.220 His reasoning

00:18:42.900 He was afraid to give the control

00:18:44.280 To someone else

00:18:44.860 Who probably couldn't do it

00:18:46.360 Yeah

00:18:46.580 You're like that

00:18:47.380 With the night shift 0.98

00:18:47.860 i can't nobody else can touch it i'll give it to people after it's like cut up and shit but like 0.89

00:18:51.420 how long did it take like you to get hayden on board with like your comedic like timing and 0.84

00:18:56.740 shit like that you know what i'm saying i'll answer that like it's straight away right 0.68

00:19:01.280 instantly you guys just meshed first bro yeah i sent him a test edit i sent him i sent him like 0.98

00:19:05.560 an hour of footage i remember five hours later he's like here you go i looked at it i was like

00:19:10.080 this is this is fucking perfect i facetimed him i go who are you do you have a job i remember what 0.64

00:19:17.000 you said it was like it was like as if the stars had aligned no no that wasn't it it was because 0.98

00:19:20.600 i lost my job two weeks prior yeah i lost my job two weeks prior i'm like oh shit i need to find

00:19:24.900 a work we just got connected through my my previous jobs house chef knew i got fired so weird

00:19:31.600 told like another company and they were like okay let's let's give this guy to logan because like

00:19:36.320 jeff was like look helping you look for someone and it's like that's it the stars had literally

00:19:40.280 aligned yeah we got really lucky and you had like an innate talent and this is one of the things that

00:19:45.340 i describe uh hayden when i describe hayden i i say like you have talent you have a talent thank

00:19:51.840 you you are a talent and um i'll say one more time you're talented please why ego can only get so big

00:19:58.340 it's gonna get it's gonna get pretty big on this podcast but uh i always tell people that hayden's

00:20:03.340 hayden's my secret weapon because we'll get into like the tactical uh way we work together for

00:20:08.280 those of you who are interested because like i said that you are the thing that no one knows

00:20:12.640 about that is like vastly responsible for a lot of my success thank you for that yeah thank you

00:20:18.680 um but you bring you bring a special something to the table and i guess i just want to

00:20:22.980 pick your brain about yeah i'd love to talk about this i love to talk about it's like i don't even

00:20:28.560 think you realize some of the secret sauce that i throw into your stuff and like i i'll love for

00:20:33.640 you to probably have those sort of epiphanies like my god i never realized he did that type

00:20:36.840 of stuff yeah well um those are those are my favorite moments when you when you surprise me

00:20:42.260 yeah it's like i'll give you footage but you're uh special the thing that makes you special is

00:20:48.260 your ability to enhance what i'm doing because you have ideas and creative uh strategies of your

00:20:54.760 own example when we made the flat earth documentary um that was a very long edit and by the way if 0.78

00:21:01.980 you haven't seen this documentary fuck you i've been running into people in la and like friends 0.62

00:21:08.340 of mine jake paul i think was one of them yeah yeah that they're like i never even watch this 1.00

00:21:12.280 shit fuck you honestly watch the flat earth documentary it's the most important piece of 0.99

00:21:15.920 work we've ever done ever ever and we the only it's the only thing i ever think about how do we 0.99

00:21:21.440 follow up like i i'm constantly and me and logan go back and forth on the show all the time like

00:21:26.060 how do we do another either mockumentary or another long form piece of content that is 0.91

00:21:30.600 fictional or like story driven because that shit was probably the most fun i've ever had in this 0.70

00:21:37.480 city since i moved here was writing that and acting in it yeah yeah it was great it's that 0.58

00:21:42.620 man that was such a fun production like the whole squad behind that yeah like all the circumstances

00:21:47.520 it was the most fun editing i've ever had because it was it was building that story especially like

00:21:52.600 we didn't know how it was going to be presented we didn't know what sort of quality production

00:21:56.840 what it was going to be

00:21:57.960 and so like for me

00:21:58.960 it was

00:21:59.480 I need to make this

00:22:00.740 the best piece of content

00:22:01.660 on YouTube

00:22:02.340 and like for now

00:22:03.240 I see it

00:22:03.900 despite the fact

00:22:04.400 that not many people

00:22:04.820 have seen it

00:22:05.200 it's like the most

00:22:06.180 underrated piece of content

00:22:07.780 on YouTube

00:22:08.420 I love when he says

00:22:09.300 not that many people

00:22:10.040 have seen it

00:22:10.700 well I mean

00:22:11.400 it has 6.2 million views

00:22:13.500 which is a lot

00:22:14.080 but also like

00:22:14.620 this deserves

00:22:15.700 like in my opinion

00:22:16.800 it deserves so many more

00:22:17.820 like 20 and 30

00:22:18.520 minimum 20 million

00:22:19.500 and by the way

00:22:20.560 it's because it's flat earth

00:22:22.180 it has been buried

00:22:23.860 YouTube is not a fan

00:22:25.420 of conspiracies

00:22:26.100 like flat earth bro anything that perpetuates like idiocracy like this and because people

00:22:30.880 thought i was a flat earther for the longest time yeah but like you you played the game for at least

00:22:34.460 four months oh yeah i said i said bro and by the way when people were like why do you think the

00:22:38.520 earth is flat i wanted to it was so hard to stay in hiding until this was was released but this

00:22:43.800 scene in particular this was not in the script you sent this to me i remember you texting me

00:22:48.380 like logan i think i've done something incredible i'm like i'm like i'm like all right hey and i

00:22:52.500 believe you so this is this is one like the climax yeah i kissed a girl and and discover that oh my

00:22:58.640 god like she's a flat earther i think i might be a flat earther too because i'm in love and this is

00:23:04.680 one of my favorite sequences you've ever done inside yeah that'd be good it is pretty cold

00:23:10.640 it's been fun thank you

00:23:22.500 I literally watched it, I was like, oh my god.

00:23:50.760 A plant sprouting.

00:23:52.980 A whale.

00:23:54.420 He added the sound effect.

00:23:55.740 It goes.

00:23:57.580 And then it zooms out to the flat earth.

00:23:59.700 It took such a like.

00:24:01.820 Not that like monumental moment.

00:24:05.060 And turned it into the most ridiculously over the top.

00:24:08.120 That's exactly what it was.

00:24:09.940 Like when I was editing it.

00:24:11.160 When I drafted it.

00:24:11.780 And I first watched the first draft.

00:24:13.020 I was like.

00:24:13.560 I didn't get from a storytelling perspective.

00:24:16.100 That you got it.

00:24:17.060 Your character didn't get it.

00:24:18.420 And so I literally sat there for like a day thinking, how can I emphasize your epiphany, basically?

00:24:25.000 And then I went back on to, let's just say, like storytelling 101, act one, two and three.

00:24:30.020 This is the transition into act three.

00:24:33.180 And you need a big catalytic event to move into act three.

00:24:37.080 And this was the opportunity for that.

00:24:39.120 And so I needed to emphasize.

00:24:40.540 I needed to triple.

00:24:41.360 I needed the buzzword was extra.

00:24:43.100 Yeah.

00:24:43.200 that was it it was i needed to go 100 and then go up to 300 to really bring in the idea that you

00:24:49.840 suddenly got the epiphany of understanding flat earth genius yeah genius moment how do you come

00:24:55.920 up with those moments how like because i've seen you've you've done this yeah hundreds of times

00:25:00.840 throughout time working together and i'm always so impressed when it's my favorite moments that

00:25:05.720 i have working with you but again this is why i say you have talent because you're an extremely

00:25:09.840 creative person but how where do you find the idea or inspiration for that that something with

00:25:14.980 that much impact the amount of amount of times people have asked me that question i've replied 0.74

00:25:20.160 with one sentence i don't fucking know i don't fucking know you're gonna say that yeah it's it's 0.74

00:25:27.360 i've been asked so many times i genuinely i guess it's is it a privilege of the experiences i've had 0.94

00:25:32.260 and what i've studied while growing up that suddenly i have that sort of basic understand

00:25:35.600 but not based, that sort of understanding,

00:25:38.260 I genuinely cannot answer that question.

00:25:40.700 You also have incredible comedic timing.

00:25:42.520 That's one of your strongest suits.

00:25:43.880 And that's why we work together right off the bat,

00:25:45.740 because like, I mean, everyone here knows it's comedy.

00:25:48.320 There's an extremely particular rhythm to it.

00:25:50.880 There's a rhythm.

00:25:51.900 Sorry, go ahead.

00:25:52.700 I was just gonna say, and I've watched you edit,

00:25:54.240 obviously now for a long ass time.

00:25:55.840 And like, I watch you sometimes, you go one, two, cut. 0.97

00:25:59.200 And you'll literally beat it out in your head.

00:26:01.380 Yeah, it's exactly that.

00:26:02.160 There is a rhythm.

00:26:02.900 There is that sort of, it's a drum beat.

00:26:04.720 ah that's it well what it is is that when i was growing up my brother was a drummer

00:26:08.540 so and i every and like our house had thin walls so i was always hearing him drumming

00:26:13.640 and for some reason that taught me rhythm that's actually probably why and so i think it's because

00:26:17.800 of the fact that i actually kind of ended up studying music a lot because of the influence

00:26:22.200 of my brother i actually managed to pick up that rhythm a lot and i've managed to translate that

00:26:25.180 into comedy but where do you get that comedy because you you're like you're like you're like

00:26:30.560 funny you don't you don't you make a lot a hell a lot of puns and you understand jokes where does

00:26:37.240 that come from have you always been like a goofy kid well i think uh it's definitely been comedy

00:26:44.340 has been development on terms of okay like we're already gonna go straight into the deep end here

00:26:48.760 they say some of the saddest people are the funniest i i had a bit of a struggle growing

00:26:55.080 up here and there and i think a lot of that time has been spent because i've then had to then want

00:26:59.640 to not want people to feel as bad as me or how i feel i want people to not feel what it's like

00:27:04.400 inside my head and so i've then started expressing comedy in many ways that's i would say genuinely

00:27:09.760 i think that's probably the the gist of it on just how i've developed my comedy i can't really

00:27:13.700 pick out a specific moment i'm afraid of where i got comedy it was just something i picked up

00:27:17.840 again just naturally in time can i maybe potentially give you uh a talking point

00:27:22.960 if you're comfortable with it um your mother yes in my uh digging of like who you are

00:27:31.340 i feel like that had a lot to do with who you became and and where some of your comedy may

00:27:38.600 have come from yes so it is the most saddest part of my life is watching my own mother die

00:27:47.260 uh it's it's a moment where she got unwell her body wasn't able to handle it and we all as a

00:27:56.240 family got together we're in the hospital and turned off the machines and we watched

00:27:59.680 her body pass and that was when i was seven years old when i had zero conception of what death was

00:28:07.520 and it then became a massive and what i said earlier that became the catalyst into

00:28:14.000 years tens 10 more than 10 years of just what the hell just happened and suddenly not having a

00:28:23.620 mother despite the fact my dad has is now happily married and like with the best stepmother i could

00:28:28.820 ever ask for now but during this time period this confusion and i would say put me in this

00:28:37.820 survival mode

00:28:39.620 where

00:28:40.900 basically I became alienated from

00:28:43.140 everything. I didn't know

00:28:45.320 who I was anymore. I didn't know what I was going

00:28:47.460 to be during this entire life. And I was

00:28:49.480 made fun of at school for my mom passing. 0.58

00:28:51.380 There was this one bully. I genuinely don't remember

00:28:53.400 his name, thank fucking God. A week, 0.98

00:28:55.460 two weeks after she passed away, we're back at school.

00:28:57.480 He comes up to me and my brother. Oh, so your mom

00:28:59.300 dead? Mom's dead now? Yeah, yeah. Well,

00:29:01.680 she was a bit of a bitch though, wasn't she? 1.00

00:29:02.980 Oh my God. And this is when we're seven years old 1.00

00:29:05.180 and my brother's like, I think, 12, I suspect.

00:29:07.300 and it's just my brother beat the shit out of him but it's but it's that is definitely a big

00:29:16.020 moment that i have to say we're still trying to figure out in my own therapy at the moment of

00:29:20.160 how much did that my mom passing away influence how much of a difficult childhood i got where i

00:29:26.320 was in survival mode for my entire childhood growing up where i failed to develop a lot of

00:29:34.000 social skills where it's like have you guys noticed when you guys are all hanging about

00:29:39.420 and like having a laugh do you notice that sometimes i kind of just phase out yeah absolutely

00:29:44.020 i actually really really appreciate that you have noticed that because i i think i'm invisible

00:29:48.620 some of the times it's because in terms of a lot of social societal rules i just don't get it

00:29:56.620 because i haven't really learned it because my entire childhood i was just surviving in a way

00:30:01.740 and but the con but what's good about that is it gave me a privilege of time i spent a lot of time

00:30:09.060 with myself majority of my time i was by myself with a computer going on to youtube when it first

00:30:15.500 came around going on to x y and z whatever websites and then not that then meant is oh

00:30:20.740 youtube this looks fun this looks like a really good place for me to express myself and i started

00:30:25.360 making videos because of that it's there was a time when i wanted to be a creator in front of

00:30:29.480 camera i i really wanted to be for many years and some like i've i've privated a lot of those videos

00:30:34.720 now but because they are awful but good god there was a time where i wanted to be the creator i

00:30:40.900 wanted to be like one of the biggest creators ever and that's actually one of the reasons why i'm

00:30:44.640 really happy with the relationship we've got because i don't think you know this the dream

00:30:48.900 that i had when i was growing up i've lived through you so that's why that's another reason

00:30:55.660 why i'm grateful for working with you is because you in a way gave me an opportunity to achieve

00:31:01.360 that i dream that i've wanted and the best bit is since i kind of like being by myself i am

00:31:05.780 very much potentially the most introverted person you might ever know and it's great because i didn't

00:31:11.040 get the benefits of the success but then if i don't want attention i can go hide away i like

00:31:15.360 i'm afraid it's a shame that you probably don't have that i'm also i'm i would say an extrovert

00:31:20.760 I love people

00:31:22.760 We went to Target to get gifts

00:31:25.240 The other days for some kids

00:31:26.240 And I'm literally

00:31:27.280 Because I don't go out much or in stores

00:31:29.560 But when I do I talk to everyone

00:31:32.440 I go

00:31:33.140 Lady how you doing

00:31:35.280 I was like hey how are you

00:31:38.400 Merry Christmas

00:31:38.820 She's like happy holidays

00:31:39.700 I was like where are you from

00:31:40.320 My crush lives in South Africa

00:31:42.660 That's crazy 1.00

00:31:43.440 What does she look like 1.00

00:31:45.420 I think it's my niece 1.00

00:31:47.140 How the fuck do you do that 0.94

00:31:49.140 i don't i i genuinely love people it's part of the reason i love this podcast i love i love 0.97

00:31:54.980 i love people and i love gauging uh reactions yeah because how many people come up to you

00:32:01.120 during the day like you do this too you go up to strangers and be like i love you

00:32:04.240 and i i i love throwing people off guard in a positive way and trying to just like make them

00:32:10.880 smile i think it's because your relationship your relationship with yourself is intact too

00:32:14.980 You know, you're like we were talking about with Peter and our last podcast.

00:32:18.420 It's like you have that confidence in yourself and you're not, you know, thinking about yourself or like, you know, trying to like trip yourself up.

00:32:26.880 You're completely operating in the world around you.

00:32:29.740 So I think that self-love reflects with how you love other people and interact.

00:32:34.700 That's a problem.

00:32:35.540 I cannot comprehend that.

00:32:36.860 I cannot comprehend engaging on a human unless there's a genuine reason why we should have a conversation.

00:32:41.260 I won't talk to you. 0.69

00:32:42.080 That's crazy.

00:32:42.660 because you're you're like a you're an amicable friendly dude it's not it's like and i like

00:32:47.660 maybe it's because i know you but i i often ask myself um what i would do if someone approached

00:32:57.980 me like i approach people right just like uh and i usually lead with this i'll be like hey so how

00:33:03.560 you been and they're like what do you mean we've never been since one whatever and if i did that

00:33:09.280 to you and i didn't know you i can imagine you'd be like oh pretty good no i'll blank really i'd

00:33:14.560 blank if a stranger came up to you and just i it would be panic is is this part of the reason why

00:33:22.440 you like editing because like i said the 13 days that i was editing the vlogs by myself it was the

00:33:28.800 most miserable of my life and i like i like like editing and i can do it but it is it is painstaking

00:33:35.900 for me and a lot of people think that i think what it is and it's definitely my relationship

00:33:39.780 of editing because i have the footage i'm not talking to anyone i'm on my own like i cannot

00:33:45.760 have someone over my shoulder editing we've done that before while i've moved here and i think you

00:33:50.180 realized i'm sweating when you're over my shoulder editing i'm sweating my balls off because it's 0.99

00:33:55.820 like fuck fuck fuck but with editing for me it's like i'm on my own i have this and now this is my 0.99

00:34:00.860 world and i can now make it whatever it's also it's also predictable for you you know what i'm 1.00

00:34:05.280 saying and i think that's what a lot of people that you know struggle with social anxiety or

00:34:10.060 any kind of like depression or anxiety they fall in love with something that's predictable they

00:34:14.000 could guarantee the results each and every time yes the one the one thing i was going to say on

00:34:18.080 that social front and you know like people like all three of us on the show that just walk up i 0.80

00:34:23.780 talk to every single fucking person i walk past you know what i'm saying the the one thing i 0.81

00:34:27.660 noticed even on days and this goes to anybody out there that deals with anxiety social anxiety any 0.99

00:34:32.580 kind of general anxiety or for you even if you simply go out and find a way to smile at people

00:34:41.180 i have found that smiling is the largest icebreaker in the entire world truth you smile 0.98

00:34:49.600 they smile unless you unless you run into an asshole which you will which you will trust me 0.97

00:34:54.800 especially in this day and age but the the people ask me all the time like how do you succeed in 0.99

00:34:59.800 business how do you succeed women with women this and that probably my number one tactic is always

00:35:05.180 smiling and always exuding positive energy when you walk into a room you're a big smiler all the

00:35:11.020 time not as much on the show because like i'm i'm just like relaxing in hawaii is a good example

00:35:15.620 mike mike's walking by everyone both of us like hey how you doing enjoy your vacation we'd say to

00:35:20.360 a lot of people we'd go they'd walk past us and be like hey hope you're enjoying your stay here 0.95

00:35:24.020 thanks for staying with us thanks for staying with us and they're like what the fuck but they'll laugh 0.98

00:35:28.220 but they'll laugh and they'll just be like what are you wait where are you guys going you guys 0.97

00:35:31.380 are fun we like you one one guy was uh laying on his uh on his little cot and he was reading a book

00:35:37.240 that said uh talking to strangers and i go i go up to him like sorry i'm so sorry i see you're

00:35:43.700 reading a book called talking to strangers so hi he's like well wow the next day we come back past

00:35:49.660 him we're like how's the book going he goes i switched it to a different one we like ruined

00:35:53.900 his experience i don't want to talk to strangers anymore because i guess we weren't the only people

00:35:57.680 that came off to him and pulled that same kind of prank oh my god i love that but uh yeah is is

00:36:02.600 have you said this you've said this to me before i think is editing to you like watching a tv show

00:36:08.360 yes like what like i like i just don't hayden all right picture yourself as a person looking at what

00:36:16.540 you do to give context this man will sit locked in a cave for 10 to 18 hours a day looking at a

00:36:26.040 screen moving his fingers around and making cuts and and compiling this perfect uh puzzle that is

00:36:32.620 not a thing most people desire to do or find joy or pleasure in i'm wondering like how how you do

00:36:39.900 it how you get through it i think you what you said earlier like this is my tv this is my video

00:36:44.960 games this is my thing editing is my entertainment i find that it is like i said it is constructing

00:36:51.160 that world it's that predictability as you said it's that control it's that i know exactly what

00:36:56.280 it is that's happening next and i am entertained by the decisions that i have to make uh it's me

00:37:01.620 and my brain having a conversation we should do this this doesn't work we should do this that

00:37:06.580 works great i feel like dopamine hit go again find the next cut that makes works great that's

00:37:11.860 another dopamine hit it's like inception it's like inception for you're building out a world

00:37:15.860 that you have imagined and it's it's actually funny because earlier like a few minutes ago you

00:37:21.320 said that there were times in your life where you wanted to be a creator and one of the things that

00:37:27.460 separates you from other editors in the youtube game is that you actually are a creator in your

00:37:32.900 own right you just are in front of the camera yeah and so well that is the most powerful thing

00:37:38.920 that youtube has ever seen from an editing standpoint when you get someone like you involved

00:37:43.220 it has also been one of the biggest detriments

00:37:45.960 to the projects for this camp

00:37:47.880 because usually when you have an editor

00:37:50.300 and Logan says cut this

00:37:51.820 the editor's like alright it's cut

00:37:54.100 job done here's the new work

00:37:56.300 V2, V10

00:37:57.660 sometimes Logan says cut this and Hayden says

00:37:59.980 Hayden's why I don't think we should cut that 0.99

00:38:01.860 it's the most polite fuck you 0.99

00:38:05.800 actually 1.00

00:38:06.180 it gets progressively less polite

00:38:09.360 I have

00:38:11.720 a tank of patience

00:38:13.660 and after a while

00:38:14.600 usually after three asks

00:38:16.340 then we start going like this

00:38:17.580 and we'll get into

00:38:18.180 a massive fight

00:38:19.340 that we had last month

00:38:20.440 we'll get there

00:38:21.440 there's so much unpacking

00:38:23.040 and by the way

00:38:23.380 I'm really enjoying this podcast

00:38:24.320 and I'm really excited

00:38:25.260 for everything else

00:38:26.240 that we're about to say

00:38:26.940 I love this

00:38:28.820 I'll give Hayden a note

00:38:31.560 and he'll be like

00:38:32.080 mate I don't think

00:38:32.740 that's a good idea

00:38:33.320 and here's why

00:38:33.980 here's why

00:38:34.620 it removes a lot

00:38:36.380 of the build up

00:38:37.440 that was very important

00:38:39.080 in act three

00:38:40.320 of this vlog

00:38:41.120 and we're just like

00:38:41.540 yo it's a seven minute 0.99

00:38:42.500 fucking vlog 0.99

00:38:43.400 I'm just like 1.00

00:38:43.840 cut the fucking content 0.99

00:38:44.820 Hayden 1.00

00:38:45.200 what the fuck's the hold up 1.00

00:38:46.540 I need this shit out 1.00

00:38:47.740 so we can film 1.00

00:38:48.200 the next fucking piece Hayden 0.99

00:38:49.480 and he's like 0.99

00:38:50.440 mate what you don't understand

00:38:51.660 is there's a very romantic

00:38:53.140 build up between

00:38:54.060 Logan and the mountain bikes

00:38:55.420 he's buying and talking

00:38:56.320 I'm like 0.99

00:38:56.640 no just fucking not Hayden 0.99

00:38:57.740 everything has a relationship 0.99

00:38:58.960 and sometimes you want to

00:38:59.540 cut that relationship

00:39:00.220 of that prompt

00:39:00.940 but it's like 1.00

00:39:01.160 no fuck you 1.00

00:39:02.000 the joke's not gonna land 1.00

00:39:03.200 if that's cut

00:39:03.860 yeah

00:39:04.720 we go back and forth

00:39:05.640 on a lot of

00:39:06.880 editing and storytelling

00:39:08.840 techniques

00:39:09.800 because

00:39:10.840 i don't know if a lot of people also realize the amount of storytelling ability that we have done

00:39:17.440 and are capable of doing yeah like especially in our recent content with um gucci face jacob

00:39:22.700 the love story that was a really fun and challenging one yeah like it was it was for me

00:39:27.140 that went through three different iterations before i figured out how to tell that story

00:39:32.500 and then of course i then had the epiphany of actually using polish music uh from the polish

00:39:36.960 composer chopping and it just set the tone perfectly for how we wanted to represent and

00:39:41.060 characterize uh jacob yeah yeah absolutely i i'm not gonna play a clip i just wanted to pull it up

00:39:46.000 but yeah this is a lot of our recent content you know this was trying to be a little more uh uh

00:39:51.440 focus on quality yeah and not quantity yeah um this this this uh piece of content in particular

00:40:00.700 I remember the subtitles for it

00:40:03.560 was my

00:40:04.360 like writing those subtitles and like the three

00:40:07.420 of us like collaborating on the writing of those

00:40:09.380 subtitles was one of the

00:40:11.380 funniest things I've done here like literally it was

00:40:13.400 so funny like trying to come up with what we thought he

00:40:15.400 was saying. Hey this is kind of sad. Of course

00:40:17.500 like I had it

00:40:18.640 the best time of my life

00:40:20.160 when I touched your 0.99

00:40:25.420 nipple. He actually 0.99

00:40:27.460 said that one.

00:40:30.700 I was editing with Hayden after my workout, so I was shirtless.

00:40:33.980 And he goes, hey, Logan, thank you for everything. 0.98

00:40:36.700 And he reaches over and he goes, I touched your nipple. 0.99

00:40:39.940 The point is, look how happy I am, bro. 0.99

00:40:42.560 We were having so much fun with this.

00:40:44.880 And we go back and forth on one, I'll get tactical for a second, one technique. 1.00

00:40:49.600 Kill your darlings. 1.00

00:40:50.840 Absolutely. 1.00

00:40:51.500 You hate that.

00:40:52.500 Oh, my God.

00:40:52.720 You hate this.

00:40:53.700 Oh, my God.

00:40:54.560 It's been heard thousands of times.

00:40:57.200 So, like, first of all, I will address hypocrisy to it a lot.

00:41:00.180 well let's give context so so there's a technique in storytelling and uh content called kill your

00:41:05.280 darlings so the saying is the thing that you love most in your project that you've just made

00:41:11.500 sometimes might have to go no matter how much you love it kill your darlings i mean the best

00:41:17.000 example would be and like the way that's how i was taught it imagine you've made like a a million 0.87

00:41:21.240 dollar film and you spent quarter of that budget on one shot yeah and then you and like this is

00:41:26.620 great and like at the time the feeling is great but then when you get it in the edit and the shot 0.53

00:41:30.540 doesn't work it's gonna fucking hurt but you're gonna have to cut it yeah and there has been many 0.71

00:41:35.220 times many clashes we've had when like i've sent you an edit and you've gone well hold on where the 0.96

00:41:38.680 fuck is this scene i'm like now shit it's gone yeah and we and then as they and then we didn't 0.89

00:41:43.020 have a discussion about it 90 of the time i win yeah you're right no you're right and by the way 0.99

00:41:49.020 it's it's like i i'm not the boss who's like no it's i surround myself with people who contribute

00:41:54.880 to my creativity how has that has that sharpened you do you feel like oh yeah creating the next

00:42:00.620 wave we've both how has that influenced you we've both made each other so much but bro yeah go to

00:42:05.680 the first vlog that he edited and go to like a recent project it is it is insane night and day

00:42:11.800 yeah how far we've grown together just like pushing each other to do better and better and 0.97

00:42:15.660 better um even like kill your darlings like at first you know this i hated that i'm like why 0.95

00:42:21.260 would yeah if you if it's great and it's awesome leave it in yeah but but recently um i especially 0.98

00:42:29.000 with the the maverick documentary i just i slashed everything that i loved it was the one time when

00:42:35.140 the roles were reversed where so originally the maverick so the maverick documentary that we

00:42:40.220 released is just under 40 minutes the original draft was an hour and 20 minutes yep yep an hour

00:42:46.380 20 minutes of well really fucking fantastic content but then yeah we had a very very 0.57

00:42:54.240 interesting bit where it could have turned into a fight a really bad fight i think i think we

00:42:59.060 should address it now so yeah um i think if we're getting into that i need to get a whiskey

00:43:04.460 it's gonna get interesting so i need to get tipsy i love this i love this this is i remember when i

00:43:13.480 first started working with hayden we met in paris and he would just walk around with whiskey i was

00:43:17.440 like what are you doing bro he's like it's whiskey we drink it all the time they did on geordie's

00:43:22.560 show too it's so funny i think it's a i think it's like a british thing or like a european

00:43:27.260 whiskey whiskey brings out some great moments i don't want to spoil it we're probably going to

00:43:31.220 talk about some whiskey adventures later huh if anyone else is having a drink watching this

00:43:34.480 cheers boys cheers pull up a drink with hayden but uh so this this this is a documentary that

00:43:41.220 we released a week before

00:43:43.240 my fight that I lost

00:43:45.080 and it's called

00:43:47.300 The Maverick. Nice job with that by the way

00:43:49.220 you said it's so like clearly

00:43:50.960 not lost by points not lost by

00:43:52.940 deductions that was that was actually good

00:43:54.900 denial stage now now you're in grieving

00:43:57.160 yeah

00:43:57.820 he's in what's called chilling

00:44:01.260 this is

00:44:04.740 this is this is probably the best piece of content we've ever

00:44:07.200 put out this is the most vulnerable

00:44:09.340 real

00:44:10.140 uh concise story we've ever made and like you said the first draft was an hour and 20 minutes

00:44:16.660 yeah and i i shopped it around and the general note was it was too long now there's a lot to

00:44:24.800 unpack here you and i had to painstakingly work together to cut this down you wanted to keep it

00:44:34.700 long i was like yo are we keeping this generic top level it was too long we're not saying what

00:44:40.860 what it was too long with uh i'll i'll give context so i was i was dating uh chloe at the time

00:44:47.440 and uh she she did a sit-down interview but we did not put it in out of respect for chloe however 0.56

00:44:56.140 the girl is a fucking wizard with words she understands it knows me more than anyone ever 0.74

00:45:03.100 and her her talking head quite quite literally made the film yes absolutely phenomenal 10 out 0.99

00:45:08.320 of 10 there is literally a eight minute sequence where she talks about you and your journey of

00:45:14.800 what you've had that entire year and and then like and i and then cut it with like b-roll in

00:45:20.440 context to what she was talking about and it was the hardest thing to cut that entire sequence

00:45:25.380 yeah because i it is like now that things have calmed down yes i agree that it should have been

00:45:30.980 in respecting her privacy and the fact that she's no longer related to you it's it's no point

00:45:37.460 pulling off that band-aid and hurting her i agree with that but now but it was literally a point

00:45:43.400 where we got so heated because i wanted to keep this sequence because for me it was it defined

00:45:47.600 your journey yeah it contextualized everything of what you had during the year of 2018 which would

00:45:53.380 just to give context this what this film is about uh tokyo what happened there and then

00:45:59.040 the way I tried to bounce back,

00:46:01.820 which was through boxing.

00:46:02.860 And it goes all the way up to the draw.

00:46:05.020 The way you did bounce back.

00:46:06.220 You did bounce back.

00:46:07.580 To me, for me, the way I prioritized it,

00:46:10.320 and I don't even think you realize this,

00:46:11.340 the boxing was the B-plot.

00:46:13.380 Facts.

00:46:13.940 Yeah.

00:46:14.240 Facts.

00:46:14.700 And that was the B-plot.

00:46:16.440 That was the, okay, things got a little bit slow

00:46:18.320 and a bit too emotional.

00:46:19.120 Let's throw in a boxing montage.

00:46:20.400 Cool.

00:46:20.980 Great.

00:46:21.720 But then what we did is essentially cut the entire A-plot.

00:46:24.140 And I think it is because if we want to talk about your journey in 2018 and how you've responded to Tokyo and Japan, do we have that position to be telling that story or does this need to be someone outside?

00:46:38.720 And that's something we...

00:46:39.720 That is a great question that I wrestled with so much because in many ways, if it's coming out of our camp, there's a chance it would appear biased because we are making it, we're controlling the message. 0.77

00:46:52.480 but also it was emotional as fuck all we do is create it's all we know it's all we know

00:46:59.240 and in order to put out the best story possible i believe we were the only right people to do it 0.91

00:47:08.280 and i think i i and to that i do agree because during that year like here's here's the thing

00:47:15.140 that i don't think again many people realize so you publicly got destroyed online when all of

00:47:21.840 that wind down but you had the privilege of since you're a very valuable person to a lot of people

00:47:27.920 a lot of people stayed with you for me a humble little editor like me who hasn't really got that

00:47:33.880 much value in staying friends i lost everything i had many friends i had many people who believed

00:47:43.620 in me i had many people who were happy for this job that i was doing many people were wanting to

00:47:47.000 work with me and things like that and i had great friends and i was the happiest i'd ever been

00:47:50.880 and then one day when i was in paris to new year's eve editing that video and then of course

00:47:57.740 and then the fallout afterwards gone in a blink people who i believe to be some of my closest

00:48:04.100 friends i have not spoken to since and other ones who were brave enough were furious i had friends

00:48:10.680 who punished me really traumatizingly punished that i do not even have the confidence to talk

00:48:19.360 about now and i was on my own for the entire year the only friend i had was my girlfriend who even

00:48:30.840 at the time we even had ups and downs and our relationship was over during that period as well

00:48:35.040 and then the only other friend I worked at confining with was my housemate 0.94

00:48:38.100 who because of it she fucking hated me as well and she was stuck with me 1.00

00:48:43.120 for an entire year because she can get herself out of the lease and whatever 1.00

00:48:45.680 and then I had friends who were stuck with me out of obligation

00:48:48.160 and I knew they were friends with me out of obligation

00:48:50.380 because they were also friends with the housemate

00:48:51.820 and that torture of truly being on my own

00:48:54.820 then led to me expressing everything in that documentary

00:48:59.060 focusing on that A plot

00:49:01.600 because I finally had that opportunity to express

00:49:04.440 and it was the most cathartic experience i've ever had in my entire life it was incredible i

00:49:13.840 remember drafting let's just say the chloe sequence that holiday sequence where it just

00:49:17.880 everything made perfect sense i fell on the floor crying because of like i finally managed to express

00:49:25.080 myself and then i think the biggest thing about it was if i didn't have the opportunity to

00:49:33.480 creatively express myself i would not be here so as in in contextualizing that i wanted to be

00:49:43.820 as a friend to andy for his wedding i wanted to be there for you for the fight and in my mind there

00:49:49.040 was nothing else left my life is ruined everything is over it's time to go and i knew exactly what

00:49:56.960 to do and i planned to do it on like august 27th two days after your fight i was that's it gone and

00:50:02.660 And literally, you called me up August 27th or 28th or whatever.

00:50:06.480 And it's like, hey, I want you to edit this.

00:50:08.760 Because at the time, I thought you were going to edit it.

00:50:11.060 I thought you were going to be editing this.

00:50:12.700 And it was another project that I was like, oh, I'm not going to be able to express it.

00:50:16.760 Because you edited the Be Here Tomorrow video.

00:50:18.600 I wasn't emotionally ready at the time.

00:50:20.280 But there was definitely, I apologize, you probably never knew,

00:50:22.420 there's some resentment in the fact that you edited it.

00:50:24.840 But again, I wasn't emotionally ready to edit that.

00:50:26.860 But it was the fact that I edited this film genuinely saved my life.

00:50:32.220 wow and that's why i was so passionate in not removing the footage and the content that saved

00:50:41.840 my life and it took me a lot of heart and a lot of just courage courage to accept that as of now

00:50:54.520 that story is not going to be told and the reason why i changed my mind is

00:51:00.680 no one's really gonna get the story that i told as much as i do and so if i send this out if we

00:51:10.200 send that video out people are gonna be like i didn't really get this bit i didn't really get

00:51:13.300 that bit i got it and so i think it's kind of better that it's not been out now because

00:51:20.080 there was some hard cuts and there was some shots or moments where i throw you under the 0.73

00:51:25.640 fucking bus in what we cut and it was like that was my emotional expression into that and i think 0.96

00:51:31.360 yeah it's i don't think many people would get it was a bit too pretentious basically is what i'm 0.99

00:51:36.760 trying to say it was pretentious a bit too up my own ass but i'm happy that i managed to express

00:51:42.080 myself and i can still watch it if i feel down if i feel confused i can still watch it and i can 0.99

00:51:47.600 still go hayden you're really fucking good at what you're doing you've still got a really fucking 0.97

00:51:51.820 good future who gives a shit if no one's gonna see this you've done fucking great and you've 0.98

00:51:57.920 got a great future just keep staying here yeah first off your self-awareness is improving vastly 0.97

00:52:08.560 especially all of ours are but like it's cool to to watch this evolution that is Hayden Hillier

00:52:15.360 Smith um because for me right I got fucking destroyed publicly but my friends all have my

00:52:21.220 back and i almost wonder if it'd be worse if it was the opposite which is what you experienced 0.92

00:52:26.420 it is which is which where your friends left you and betrayed you and you you had nothing

00:52:30.880 completely on my own for me my uh opportunity to redeem myself and make a comeback and i change

00:52:40.720 who i was which is the shell of where this new tree has had to start was through boxing and and

00:52:47.500 continuing to make uh quality videos for you your therapeutic redemption was this documentary

00:52:55.240 absolutely so when i was asking you to make cuts i knew how much that hurt you because this was

00:53:01.100 you said this film saved your life this is your this is your child this was my baby this is your

00:53:05.320 baby and i'm here like yo unfortunately like chloe she can't she can't be she can't be in it

00:53:11.100 like i said that so many times like she just she just can't and it's it's it's too long and to uh

00:53:16.960 get to the climax of this story Hayden and I had the most volatile almost violent relationship

00:53:23.420 we've ever had we've gotten in tiffs before this was insane you you I love the fact you called it

00:53:31.280 a tiff it was so much more than that I'll always I'll always remember the day sorry for interrupting

00:53:36.540 where it had been boiling and boiling and boiling and you guys had been going back and forth on

00:53:41.880 phone calls emails and and it had become a daily thing that logan would come up to me and be like 0.92

00:53:47.600 i'm at the end of my fucking rope here dude i'm at the end of it mike is the problem solver 0.89

00:53:53.660 because i could not deal with hayden anymore so i'd send mike he goes he goes it's over he goes 0.98

00:53:58.620 we have to fucking solve this or we have to bring somebody else in and every day i would say 0.83

00:54:02.800 i i understand his pain i get it let me talk to him and i and i told him i told logan every time 0.99

00:54:08.860 i talked to him i said i'm at a three today with him the next two days later i said i went to a

00:54:13.260 five today with him and i always remember the day i went to a nine i was walking around in the front

00:54:17.540 of the house with you i was on the phone with you and i said hayden we have reached a point where

00:54:23.700 i'm going to give you a direct order now you need to remove the footage and i need v3 in the in our

00:54:30.180 inbox in the next three hours if you do not provide that footage your relationship with maverick will

00:54:36.160 no longer exist yeah and the the feeling of having to say that and hearing the pain in your voice

00:54:45.060 when you responded to that statement i'll always remember what did i say you said

00:54:50.060 something along the lines of you just don't understand what this means to me

00:54:55.100 and you literally you i you literally start you start crying and by the way you you don't know

00:54:59.900 this and no one in this room knows this but i started crying like a little bit i was able to

00:55:04.220 contain it because i had to but i i'll always remember that day because i was walking out front 0.83

00:55:09.440 and i said yo this fucking piece means everything to this kid he has put his soul his literal soul 0.95

00:55:15.500 into this piece and here i am taking it down to a tactical to a business level because we have to 0.98

00:55:20.920 because we have to we need to get this out it was it was in a way it was a marketing piece for the

00:55:25.400 fight it was yeah it was it was one week before the fight that was the other thing i'm in fight 1.00

00:55:29.320 can't bro i'm ready to i am ready to kill people your testosterone is on the fucking highs you are 1.00

00:55:34.160 a fucking nightmare to work with and your testosterone i know the worst the worst the 1.00

00:55:39.440 worst yeah i also i i had a i had a call with you yep i remember that too i don't want to steal it's 0.99

00:55:45.940 your you did this but we you and i worked on this from day well yeah also literally let's not forget

00:55:52.920 how big of a part you played this is your project as much as it is mine well and and that's where i

00:55:57.260 could relate to you and i think that's where i could like i helped you kind of walk off the cliff

00:56:00.660 i was like wait wait bro let's not forget this is still an amazing piece so what you sent to me

00:56:05.740 so i was like let's just let's let's let's look at it let's let's at least give it a try and and

00:56:11.480 you came out of the woods and you did it there was even a moment when we first drafted it while i had

00:56:15.580 uh when i was with you i was like yo this is i feel like this needs to be kept i was on your

00:56:20.000 side for the majority of it yeah but it was like i even remember when we first drafted it like back

00:56:24.200 in november of last year you had to call me up because i was like having a vote of uh when i 0.99

00:56:28.560 got no i lost all my confidence and you called me up i'm like i'm fucking tired of your bullshit 0.93

00:56:32.360 mo bro it was like like i talked in a nice way i helped you because i think from the moment that 0.98

00:56:39.580 you and i met like you said there was tension between us because i always saw you i gave you

00:56:44.280 undeserved resentment and whatnot because it was like yeah yeah i never took anything personal i

00:56:48.460 saw why it was there and i think i i always saw you anytime you kind of slipped into that negative

00:56:53.600 like self-deprecating talk yeah i would just i would just help you understand your value and

00:56:59.360 who you were which is what i think that always like turned turns you back on to realize oh wait

00:57:04.440 no i'm here for a reason this is like i'm doing this for a reason i think ultimately what you

00:57:08.600 talk about when you say like you know when you were like right around the time when you decided

00:57:15.740 that yo i might not i don't want to be around anymore like i think that's huge for friends to

00:57:21.500 to find people that are in that kind of struggle

00:57:25.260 and do anything you can to remind them

00:57:27.500 of why they're here,

00:57:28.420 why they're talented.

00:57:30.200 What about them is good?

00:57:31.920 That's always going to help pull somebody out of those ruts. 0.92

00:57:34.540 What sucks and it's really hard to say

00:57:35.900 is that what you had to do was tough love. 0.93

00:57:38.600 Yeah.

00:57:38.920 What you, Mike, had to do was tough love.

00:57:41.400 I remember I sent Mike a text once.

00:57:43.220 I was like, hey, man, 0.95

00:57:44.220 if I kill Hayden now,

00:57:45.280 is that a crime of passion?

00:57:47.600 Is it a crime of passion?

00:57:49.860 I think the max is like two, three years.

00:57:51.500 but bro i was so upset and it took every because i was ready to fight you i was convinced i was 0.99

00:57:58.360 going to beat your ass i was that passionate well you did that one time yeah i've seen him slap him 1.00

00:58:04.160 and that slap represented so many let's kill your darling so many fucking i i didn't want to 1.00

00:58:11.500 let me contextualize this i've had two years of therapy incredible progress incredible things 0.99

00:58:18.100 incredible self-discoveries none of it is comparison to this fucking slap so so this was 0.97

00:58:25.600 this is for our slap documentary i was going to go to russia to enter the world championship 0.98

00:58:29.560 slapping contest and i figured i'd i'd get the weakest person in the room oh my god just to

00:58:35.060 slap me in the face as practice that was just what i said i was like i think for practice i

00:58:39.620 should get the weakest person in the room hayden that's obviously you little did i know every time

00:58:44.700 Every note I've ever given him was boiled up into this hand.

00:58:48.960 Big mistake. 1.00

00:58:50.740 Fuck me up. 1.00

00:58:51.500 Okay, all right. 1.00

00:58:52.060 Sorry.

00:58:52.860 Okay, this is all right.

00:58:58.620 Oh!

00:59:04.160 Look at Spencer and Mike.

00:59:05.980 Look at Spencer!

00:59:07.280 I was eating food.

00:59:08.500 I'm like, this is not going to be anything serious. 1.00

00:59:10.900 I'm like, holy fuck! 1.00

00:59:12.120 Look at Logan's face right now. 1.00

00:59:13.860 he's gone dude

00:59:14.900 he's not there

00:59:15.420 he's not there

00:59:16.560 that is

00:59:18.040 that is the exact

00:59:19.400 feeling I felt

00:59:20.080 when I got hit

00:59:20.540 with 10 ounce gloves

00:59:21.200 in the final

00:59:21.980 play a little bit

00:59:23.660 more

00:59:23.860 just a little bit

00:59:24.420 more

00:59:24.720 he was gone

00:59:26.420 are you good 1.00

00:59:28.180 oh shit 1.00

00:59:29.320 dude 1.00

00:59:30.020 that hurt so bad

00:59:32.380 I couldn't believe it

00:59:36.400 I have been waiting

00:59:37.320 for that moment

00:59:37.940 for two and a half years

00:59:39.220 oh my god

00:59:40.320 I think that saved

00:59:41.540 years on your life

00:59:42.760 because i think that moment is it that moment that you really actually like question was that

00:59:47.540 going to russia it was i think it was that plus hitting the other guy like those two he's like

00:59:51.820 i felt what it was like to get hit and i felt like it what it was like to hit and those two 0.97

00:59:55.880 things combined right like push you out of the fucking i'm sorry i need to see this one more 0.98

00:59:59.460 oh my god bro the fact that i get just the biggest dopamine hit every time i see that 0.97

01:00:08.980 It just says a lot about our relationship.

01:00:11.200 It makes me happier every time I see that.

01:00:12.920 So if you ever wonder what it's like here at Maverick Camp,

01:00:15.100 we just love each other.

01:00:16.520 I want to give a shout out to Mac, too,

01:00:18.600 because Mac went behind you to catch you in case you got knocked out.

01:00:21.900 Oh, my God.

01:00:22.240 I didn't even notice that.

01:00:23.400 Oh, look at his hand.

01:00:24.560 Look at this.

01:00:25.220 Yeah, he was ready.

01:00:26.060 Oh, my God.

01:00:26.600 That's what he did?

01:00:26.900 And he wasn't going to at first.

01:00:27.960 He's like, I'm going to trust that Hayden could do this.

01:00:31.160 Oh, my God.

01:00:32.960 Did you see Mac's face?

01:00:34.400 Yeah, he's just getting ready for you, bro.

01:00:37.120 Mac was the only one who knew what was about to happen.

01:00:38.840 Mac trusted me. 1.00

01:00:40.520 He knew that I was going to beat the fucking shit out of you. 1.00

01:00:43.580 And I didn't know, bro. 0.99

01:00:45.300 So before the fight, when we were trying to finish this Maverick doc,

01:00:47.880 we were locked in a room together for five hours a day, just making cuts.

01:00:51.020 I remember, bro, you would be, for probably like five days in a row,

01:00:56.020 I'd find you just like sitting out back by a log.

01:00:58.400 The log.

01:00:58.900 Or like in the corner of the house with your head down.

01:01:03.120 I'll also shout out to Andre.

01:01:04.580 Andre also helped me out at one point as well when I was like at the lowest

01:01:08.240 point where i was ready to quit right there and then and andre came and said like hey like this

01:01:15.720 is going to be okay i and i he said something like that logan's promising to compromise and

01:01:20.260 there was a few compromises that we did make and like andre also pulled me out and this is why i'm

01:01:25.300 very appreciative of being here and living here now for an entire year i was on my own completely

01:01:31.360 on my own emotionally and i regret not coming here sooner because we had the opportunity for

01:01:35.940 me to move here significantly sooner and it's great that now already i'm here with friends

01:01:41.780 who are ready to hold my hand and pull me out on my tough days because again it's like it's

01:01:49.840 clearly established especially with the mom passing and struggle childhood depression is a

01:01:54.680 thing that i'm never ever gonna get rid of it's here with me forever and i wouldn't say that i

01:01:59.980 would say you know you're i would acknowledge the fact of how many strides you've made oh my god

01:02:05.300 And I would say this is proof that you've had family all around you since day one.

01:02:12.540 And I think like when you come across those people, those friends that are there in the easy times. 1.00

01:02:18.060 And then when some shit happens in your life and they leave, like to all those people, you know, with all due respect, but fuck all of them. 1.00

01:02:25.880 I knew that was coming. 1.00

01:02:27.060 I knew that was coming.

01:02:28.000 Don't give them.

01:02:29.100 I think it's just proof.

01:02:30.300 Like I had that.

01:02:31.580 I think all of us probably did.

01:02:32.860 where we we came came to help out logan and i didn't realize like i didn't realize what that

01:02:39.020 was gonna do like i had people and which i've never even opened up about this but i had people

01:02:43.660 for my documentary like say no i'm not gonna be in it anymore like still like two months ago when

01:02:50.200 i was on tour i had people find out that i'm i'm on the podcast and they're like no no no i'm not

01:02:54.620 gonna do it like you're you're working with logan oh my god and now i'm at the point now where i'm 0.95

01:02:58.880 like this is my family yeah so like i'm not i don't give a fuck about those people they're fake 0.81

01:03:04.060 you know and they're not they don't deserve to be in my film so i think it's the same thing with you 0.85

01:03:07.480 like you found family you found a place to grow you found a place to plant yourself yeah i have

01:03:12.840 i have foundation of people that's what i call it you guys are a foundation and to just to help me

01:03:19.800 and support me and to make sure i don't fall deeper and therefore that foundation means i

01:03:23.860 can continue building more levels and a higher rise of my life yeah that was a that was a learning

01:03:29.540 experience for me having to manage the situation in managing mental i wouldn't call it mental i

01:03:38.480 mean i can't call it mental illness or some sort of level of breakdown in the workplace so you've 0.96

01:03:44.600 got a tactical business goal that needs to be fucking hit and you've got a close friend that's 0.99

01:03:49.620 dealing with a demon that you've probably dealt with at some point in your life and you're and 0.99

01:03:53.060 you're weighing these two things out and i'm seeing hayden for days at a time in the backyard

01:03:57.060 and one one part of me wants to go up to him and be like bro i know where you're at i've been there

01:04:02.160 like i know the demons that you're dealing with i like let me help you and the other one is saying 0.97

01:04:06.920 i need you to get the fuck up and go edit this fucking doc before it's before there's nothing 0.95

01:04:11.680 left to edit and we all and we all stop right yeah maybe just i don't know just please take 0.99

01:04:18.460 it easy on the whiskey i'm serious please so so can we talk about this do you want to hit no

01:04:22.900 my god we'll talk about that in a second but but you're it was a lesson it was a lesson for me to

01:04:28.220 i learned a lot from this whole experience too because um i was telling them so normally like

01:04:46.580 you see how i i deal with people it's it's pretty like like i'm not good at sugarcoating anything

01:04:51.620 i'm getting a lot a lot i work with i work with logan and this is stuff that we'll never probably

01:04:57.120 talk about maybe when we do my episode at that one special time but we work together quite a bit

01:05:02.320 i'm making you a better leader communicator a better communicator a better manager how to

01:05:06.980 deliver messages in a way that people will receive them because because yo you know this if something's 0.53

01:05:11.640 wrong with me tell me it don't like it yo like yo you look ugly right now yo that was cringe you're

01:05:17.140 acting like a child whatever i'm like bet got it next not everyone's like that and you're not

01:05:22.060 you're really not yeah and uh so that week i it was a a testament of my evolution when i said to

01:05:29.920 the boys i said i gotta be honest guys i'm handling this hayden situation i am i'm proud

01:05:35.300 of myself i was proud i am handling this hayden situation as best as i possibly can i didn't i

01:05:41.960 didn't flip i didn't uh just crack the whip um and i remember a moment just to close up this this

01:05:50.160 portion of it where you uh you talked to me we were talking to the love sacks and regarding the

01:05:57.000 maverick documentary i was like yeah we got to cut chloe and you're like in that case i need you to

01:06:01.340 sign this yeah and he whipped out a laminated letter of resignation on the project he goes i'm

01:06:09.900 not quitting maverick media i'm quitting the project and so i go i go hayden can you even do

01:06:15.100 you do you understand you have worked on this documentary for for probably collectively 500

01:06:21.560 hours an insane amount of time the past year and a half of your life has been devoted to this thing

01:06:27.060 and right now a week and a half out you're you want to quit and i go i go hayden you know i love

01:06:31.940 you bro this is why i love you because you're passionate about the things you do but this 0.98

01:06:35.880 is stupid this this is a silly move i said i said this is what pride looks like this is the 0.99

01:06:42.360 uh tangible version of pride it says dear logan paul i'm writing to notify you that i'm resigning 0.99

01:06:47.160 from my position as editor for the maverick a documentary about the fall of logan paul

01:06:50.320 with maverick media effective immediately i appreciate the creative opportunities i've

01:06:53.900 been given during my time working on the project i wish you in the documentary the best of success

01:06:57.500 with the company's intended version if circumstances were to change where creative

01:07:00.580 vision is realigned this resignation will become void this is not a resignation of my

01:07:04.360 employment to logan paul and maverick media or the resignation to the maverick documentary about

01:07:08.200 the fall of logan paul very sincerely hayden hillier smith and there's a spot for him to sign

01:07:12.780 it as well at the bottom and and so very professional by the way yeah very professional

01:07:17.220 by the way i did google resignation letter actually it's a template it's a template but

01:07:24.180 it goes so this goes to logan and he sits on it for a couple hours or whatever and then it comes

01:07:28.420 to me and i'm like i'm reading it and i and i remember when i got to the eight with you that

01:07:33.320 day one of the things i said was you do not have the option to resign from this project you have

01:07:38.740 the option to resign from this job yeah because you because you're not i hit you with that too

01:07:42.460 once because you're not a freelance editor yeah you like work for the company so it's like it's

01:07:46.660 like i love you unfortunately it's like you either quit or edit the project here is the thing that

01:07:55.900 made this the most unhealthy i would say it was the realization that if i lost this job i would

01:08:04.920 go back to the uk because you also hold the power to my visa oh wow i forgot about that and and that's

01:08:12.740 what made this really difficult for me because i that then meant that you had the power and that's

01:08:19.860 why i did that wait is it because i sponsored you yeah he's like the donald trump in the situation

01:08:24.240 I'm afraid to say Logan

01:08:26.200 as far as I know

01:08:27.480 if I lose this job I'm going home

01:08:30.180 deported

01:08:30.700 that's actually horrible for you

01:08:33.140 I feel so bad

01:08:35.060 that is why in the letter

01:08:38.060 I'm saying in Maverick Media

01:08:40.320 look how clear it is not my employer

01:08:42.280 is that true

01:08:43.520 I believe so

01:08:44.900 for how long is he 0.98

01:08:47.900 fucking forced to work here 0.99

01:08:50.460 I'm with you 0.99

01:08:52.460 for at least another two years

01:08:53.420 you're stuck with me in front of a team but the messed up part of it is it's it's a trade-off

01:08:58.860 and a balance of power in a way too because while you are an employee the thing that logan i'm sure

01:09:05.400 has said to you in so many words you aren't exactly losable yeah so so you hold you're not

01:09:14.060 exactly especially quickly replaceable and so you that's what i would say my my mentor once said

01:09:20.420 that everybody's replaceable just some people are extremely difficult to replace you don't want

01:09:26.480 anybody to have an ego and you gotta admit i am replaceable but some people are really

01:09:30.980 it's so true and when you look at like the the corporate world that i that i come from when you 0.99

01:09:36.120 find a really really really good employment and they throw a fit and you're like yo fuck this 0.98

01:09:41.660 dude this dude's fired pack your shit clean your desk out and then you think to yourself you're 0.99

01:09:45.760 like fuck like what does he do i have to go back to hr now and start hunting by the way a hunt which 1.00

01:09:51.600 costs a lot of money to do tens and tens of thousands of dollars to find a replacement 0.99

01:09:57.060 a replacement which you then have to onboard train in the hope that they are half as good

01:10:03.280 as the person that you got rid of and that is why me and logan's clash was so hostile it's he can't

01:10:09.320 lose me and i can't lose this job and there is that two big prides and two things that we both

01:10:15.320 firmly believe them think two things we both firmly disagree in which is why we got hostile

01:10:19.740 yeah and and it was tricky for me because here i am for the not the first time but for one of the

01:10:26.480 first times in my life where i'm doing this weird balancing act where i'm trying my best to give

01:10:33.020 everyone what they want and care about everyone's feelings gotta respect chloe gotta respect you and

01:10:39.080 what you want except there's a there's a weird thing there that we had to we had to figure it

01:10:42.860 out i think actually to summarize everything the main reason why i it's conceding is not the right

01:10:49.540 word but accepting the changes is the naivety that i realized on okay this this documentary

01:10:57.760 saved my life great this thing is a great creative expression for how i felt during that entire year

01:11:02.660 great and i am writing my entire life and everything of my future on the line for this

01:11:07.600 project and what made me concede was my own realization of i'm gonna make something better 0.80

01:11:13.560 i'm gonna make something better why the yes this is a good moment in my life but why the fuck am i 0.51

01:11:21.600 gonna base my entire value on this project when i am 25 years old and i've got another 70 80 years 0.54

01:11:28.580 to make a better project do you remember me saying something similar to you in that call

01:11:33.500 that i talked about i said to you i said this is a video a youtube video not to go back to

01:11:41.980 demeaning youtube again okay but this is a youtube video it is you are a credit that rolls at the end

01:11:49.060 of it with this podcast aside do not risk all of the future projects that you have coming down the

01:11:56.220 line as part of this camp and more importantly thereafter cinematic movies television whatever

01:12:02.300 you want to do because you have the chops for it do not risk that for a piece of work that i said 0.81

01:12:08.760 is incredibly important to you but forgive me for saying this really doesn't fucking matter

01:12:13.520 in the law in the grand scheme of things in the youtube bubble in the youtube bubble it was

01:12:19.140 important for a day and then it was gone just like all other youtube content it was not more 0.98

01:12:23.860 important than shane's work it was not less important than shit you know what i'm saying 0.58

01:12:26.580 it's here today gone tomorrow yeah with the exception of like things like content cop which 0.90

01:12:30.820 are here forever yeah wow are they oh wait that got removed removed 30 million transition why

01:12:38.140 did they get removed uh because it violates youtube's community guidelines yeah all of them

01:12:43.700 it was just one uh so it's an idub's content copy on leafy so he made a really can i i i don't know

01:12:51.600 anything about this so it's pretty youtube-esque conversation what's content i dubs is a gatekeeper

01:12:56.860 on like

01:12:58.680 standards on YouTube and so

01:13:00.960 when there is a creator who goes below

01:13:03.080 a standard of practice he's the one

01:13:05.080 who calls them out. He'll watch

01:13:06.940 every single piece of content

01:13:09.140 you've ever made

01:13:10.700 and notice every slip stitch

01:13:13.160 that you made and he'll expose 1.00

01:13:15.400 the fuck out of you. 1.00

01:13:17.400 He watches you 1.00

01:13:18.740 and Angel's fucking shower videos. 1.00

01:13:23.240 And my biggest criticism 0.99

01:13:25.540 with iDubbbz is because what he does

01:13:27.520 okay so like many people don't like x

01:13:29.440 creator or y creator or whatever but they can't figure

01:13:31.420 out why. What iDubbbz does

01:13:33.280 is create a script as to why you

01:13:35.440 do not like that creator and now

01:13:37.240 everyone has permission to harass

01:13:39.560 that creator. Now Leafy

01:13:40.780 wasn't the best creator at all.

01:13:43.000 He isn't but I was like okay

01:13:45.260 it's not my thing it doesn't matter. Content cop

01:13:47.540 iDubbbz. Hey everyone

01:13:48.960 go fucking at him 0.99

01:13:51.160 and it's like it was bad and like 1.00

01:13:53.100 So it was like really fueling

01:13:55.440 to cancel. Yeah, yeah. His content was

01:13:57.400 a cancel catalyst. And so they

01:13:59.420 who was there? YouTube

01:14:01.300 shut them down.

01:14:02.680 I just removed just the one video, but it was a

01:14:05.340 very big video. It was a massive

01:14:07.220 video that everyone knew. To get back on track

01:14:09.400 to what we were saying is like the

01:14:11.160 power and notoriety

01:14:13.560 of content comp.

01:14:15.520 We've had a lot

01:14:17.460 of those videos, especially the music videos

01:14:19.560 and the diss tracks. Fall of Jake

01:14:21.400 Paul. What are some of the

01:14:23.400 like 80 million or like 24 to 25

01:14:25.100 the video where

01:14:26.500 we like faked my death

01:14:28.300 in front of the fans

01:14:29.180 or where we

01:14:30.180 what about colorblind

01:14:31.900 oh my god

01:14:33.080 oh my god

01:14:34.220 that was the first viral video

01:14:36.300 that was the first viral video

01:14:37.460 that shot me to a million

01:14:38.640 that then also attracted

01:14:39.800 the attention of the

01:14:41.200 of the

01:14:41.940 what do you call it

01:14:43.060 the commentary community

01:14:44.360 yes the commentary community

01:14:45.080 H3

01:14:45.660 oh dear lord

01:14:46.680 he's an adorable little guy

01:14:48.260 isn't he

01:14:48.620 I remember

01:14:49.020 some dude named H3

01:14:51.680 was just roasting

01:14:52.560 and I was new to YouTube

01:14:53.540 I didn't know anything

01:14:54.160 thing i was just a vine kid and so we made this colorblind video which i i've said this before

01:14:59.040 i am colorblind but the video was incredibly embellished i put on the glasses i've never

01:15:05.740 said this this is like four years ago i'll say i'll say it now i put on the glasses for the

01:15:09.620 first time and by the way was really expecting something to happen like because i am red green

01:15:14.940 colorblind yeah like literally like 100 like he cannot fly in the he wouldn't be able to fly in

01:15:19.340 the military he's like he is actually colorblind i don't know if a lot of people out there believe

01:15:23.500 it or not so i put on these glasses bro no change i didn't know that the sky was zero like maybe the

01:15:31.340 sky was a little like lighter shade of blue and i had a moment in my mind i was like we're at the

01:15:36.180 getty museum i i what do i just i have to fake this so i was like i put my acting chops to work

01:15:43.560 the music comes in the most melodramatic thing ever and it's the fact that the music is what

01:15:51.580 makes a meme as well but it's like do you not think and like we didn't realize this at the

01:15:55.320 time do you not think that's a really interesting testament to youtube content obligation

01:15:58.760 okay of course i'm about to put on these guys we wanted to um yeah let's show it first and

01:16:03.900 let's talk about that you are so i can't even watch this 0.98

01:16:07.540 It's the most melodramatic bullshit ever. 0.99

01:16:23.640 I can't watch it. 0.99

01:16:25.080 This is my favorite bit.

01:16:31.480 Wait, what?

01:16:32.660 It just enhanced the sunset.

01:16:34.560 I did zero science research.

01:16:36.440 I just decrease the saturation in one shot.

01:16:39.240 Bro, bro, look at this. 1.00

01:16:40.300 Where's my fucking Oscar, bro? 1.00

01:16:41.820 Yeah, look. 1.00

01:16:42.580 You actually teared up?

01:16:43.420 Yes.

01:16:43.840 All right, that's pretty impressive, bro.

01:16:46.580 That was the precipice for Pete

01:16:48.200 falling off the side of the flat earth right there.

01:16:50.000 That was my inspiration.

01:16:51.420 I used the colorblind video for that.

01:16:53.180 Oh, my God. 1.00

01:16:53.800 But this video got him more shit, dude. 1.00

01:16:56.680 And by the way, this is another secret 0.99

01:16:58.620 that not a lot of people outside of like that,

01:17:00.680 people that we're going to advertise

01:17:01.580 get marketing for Maverick know.

01:17:03.540 I believe this company tried to use this video

01:17:06.360 as an advertisement

01:17:07.560 to sell the glasses, bro.

01:17:10.440 Of course.

01:17:10.860 The colorblind. 0.99

01:17:11.500 They ripped it 0.74

01:17:12.340 and used it as like

01:17:13.000 social advertisement.

01:17:14.280 This part was 0.96

01:17:16.220 absolutely ridiculous. 0.90

01:17:17.600 I remember watching this. 0.97

01:17:18.460 I was like,

01:17:19.260 I was like,

01:17:20.120 did Hayden just like guess? 1.00

01:17:22.600 I pulled so much shit 1.00

01:17:24.380 out of my ass 1.00

01:17:25.000 during that video. 1.00

01:17:25.840 Here's an estimate

01:17:26.360 of what Logan sees.

01:17:27.340 An estimate.

01:17:28.160 An estimate. 1.00

01:17:31.460 Golden fucking walls. 1.00

01:17:33.120 Alexander Redding. 1.00

01:17:36.360 i pulled so much shit out of my ass he can't see red or green and the only two colors you have are 1.00

01:17:44.920 red and green no that's after that's after actually no actually i did some basic research 1.00

01:17:50.200 and again it was a similar thing just went into color correcting and just like pulled out the red

01:17:53.540 turn the wall yellow but it's like that's what i mean how over the top it was but it was that was

01:17:58.820 the thing it was here's something i want to talk about i want to use as a transition it was you

01:18:03.360 gave me footage make a video it has to be done that day it doesn't matter what we do just get

01:18:07.460 it out and it is a really interesting testament on this is the first moment of youtube obligation

01:18:12.300 whereas you put the glasses on nothing happened but you had to make a video and so you over you

01:18:16.920 overact for me i get the footage i have to make a video and i have to make it dramatic and so i

01:18:21.360 edit it and don't care about the truth and that was the problem with that video yeah say again

01:18:27.060 it was uh

01:18:31.380 what was the big deal

01:18:33.500 it was just like cringing

01:18:34.760 over the top

01:18:36.740 over exaggerated embellished 1.00

01:18:38.860 basically absolute bullshit 0.98

01:18:40.280 this video definitely kicked off that commentary 0.99

01:18:42.960 and that like douche 0.89

01:18:45.280 lord hatred 0.99

01:18:46.460 that fucking started to roll 0.99

01:18:48.280 that's when I realized with you I was like 1.00

01:18:50.800 this YouTube thing is gonna be a fucking 0.99

01:18:53.160 ride 0.98

01:18:53.620 that was the video

01:18:56.760 that made me stay because it because because of the views that we got but at the time it was an

01:19:00.500 ego boost oh shit we're getting this attention and that's what made me stay yeah but like nowadays

01:19:05.100 i reflect on it and i'm like ah this video was a bit of a mistake i guess well that's i mean bro 0.91

01:19:10.740 we made a lot of mistakes and that's what led to our downfall and i want to eventually the wrong

01:19:15.300 lessons facts yeah facts because um chrissy tegan actually said this when she first like in a

01:19:21.880 roundabout way attempted to make uh attempted to maybe i'll use the word defend me after tokyo

01:19:28.560 it's like we make this stuff it gets 24 25 million views make 50 000 off the ad sense alone

01:19:36.820 because that's back when we were on google preferred and in and by the way do it the next

01:19:41.260 day and make another video that gets like seven to ten million views in our eyes this is working

01:19:47.360 this is good people like this this so why would we not try to recreate and one up the the piece

01:19:54.660 of content before it every single day it was the wrong lesson and eventually it led to tokyo yeah

01:19:58.900 weird perfect storm and we we fucked ourselves because we had no idea who we were as people 0.53

01:20:05.200 anymore we only knew make a video doesn't matter what it is make sure it gets the most attention 0.97

01:20:10.880 possible out the next day onto the next exactly it was there was especially with the daily grind 0.80

01:20:15.620 there wasn't a moment to stop and think about what the fuck we were doing no it was get it out 0.96

01:20:20.180 move on to the next day we don't even think about it tomorrow and and it's it's it's crazy because 0.84

01:20:25.420 like you i watched like casey neistat do the i'm ending the vlogs this is this is too much for me

01:20:31.480 i'm burning out i like losing myself my i i'm sacrificing the integrity of my marriage yeah 0.93

01:20:36.300 for fucking youtube you watch it while you're on the come up yes and i didn't understand i was like 0.98

01:20:41.060 what do you you make you make videos every day bro how can it be like really realistically that 0.99

01:20:46.420 hard so not only did it turn out to be incredibly hard bro it it it changes you it it drastically

01:20:55.000 affects your personality the way you treat people the way you perceive success dude views do not

01:21:02.860 always mean success yes but yo at a time that was the only thing that mattered because the more

01:21:09.040 views the more money the more popularity the more women and whatever i wanted equated to views that 1.00

01:21:15.560 was the only the more confirmation of your ego the more permission that you get you give yourself

01:21:21.760 more permission to go more and more and more what i say now coming out of it a year later after

01:21:27.480 coming out of daily vlogging thing is i wouldn't wish daily vlogging are my worst enemy it is such

01:21:33.900 an unhealthy mindset to ever be in like that's why the hustle mentality working every day 0.54

01:21:39.140 fuck off it's like you i have valued rest in contemplation and moments to yourself 0.75

01:21:47.240 so valuable i have such a good relationship with now because i forgot about what that was 0.99

01:21:51.900 because of the daily grind i forgot who i was i um i was gonna say this to david uh dobrik in

01:22:00.240 person next time i saw him but i'll just say here just to make it uh public make it a bread

01:22:04.100 batch post he um he's done an excellent job of pulling back at the right time he went from three

01:22:09.100 vlogs a week to two vlogs a week incredibly smart everyone his audience is obviously wants more

01:22:13.920 david but like the man needs time to reset his mental and stay david whoever that kid david is

01:22:22.220 Not David Dobricks, but I was going to tell him I feel like he will be

01:22:29.820 or is coming on, coming upon that moment of creator burnout,

01:22:34.960 and I was going to tell him do not be afraid to take that month break

01:22:38.020 if you need it.

01:22:38.640 I think it would be so healthy for him if he just relaxed for a little bit

01:22:42.740 so he doesn't fall in a hole.

01:22:46.320 But at least those two days a week is vastly different

01:22:51.800 from your seven for sure you know what i'm saying it's still so hard bro the like he's he shoves so 0.93

01:22:57.680 much content four minutes and 20 seconds like he films a lot i mean talk about kill your darlings

01:23:02.260 i can imagine he goes everything he's everything he does is the right strategy and it was a strategy 0.97

01:23:07.020 that was that was slightly ignored on your part which is at the end of the day it sucks to do it

01:23:12.620 but you you should always leave your fans wanting more if you're if you're satiating and satisfying

01:23:17.860 your fans at their every demand and giving them

01:23:19.760 a vlog a day

01:23:20.960 in reality even with the night

01:23:24.020 shift which is 0.99

01:23:25.060 one time a fucking week 0.99

01:23:27.620 it has multiple segments they're 40 0.99

01:23:29.840 fucking minutes long so it is tricky 0.89

01:23:31.840 but even with that there are times where 0.98

01:23:33.720 yo the biggest struggle

01:23:35.760 from yeah I didn't really want

01:23:37.900 to acknowledge it until sometimes you just got to get naked

01:23:39.920 that's at the end of the day is that what you were going to say

01:23:41.960 you just got to get naked 0.88

01:23:43.420 the biggest

01:23:44.820 struggle for me is concepting

01:23:47.700 i get little pieces of lint in my armpit sometimes like like one or two little pieces of lint in my 0.99

01:23:53.120 armpit hair dang you ever tell them really serious no no no fuck that let's turn it up a notch you 1.00

01:23:58.040 ever tell anybody to suck their mom what the fuck does that even mean i don't get it nice you don't 1.00

01:24:03.980 know what that means i don't know what that means suck it it's a ksi thing i guess oh really is it 1.00

01:24:09.820 just for his family i'm just not in that bubble to get that like that like his social group is not 0.78

01:24:15.080 You and KSI have

01:24:16.840 Had a bit of a relationship 0.99

01:24:18.900 Oh shit 0.99

01:24:20.000 Wait a second 1.00

01:24:22.940 He tried to kill two people in this room

01:24:25.160 I forgot about this 0.79

01:24:26.660 Did he try to kill you?

01:24:29.880 Yes

01:24:30.200 This was before things got hostile

01:24:34.040 So he called you out

01:24:35.540 This is before

01:24:36.820 This is when things were chill

01:24:40.620 When the butcher knife comes out

01:24:42.080 Before things get hostile

01:24:43.280 You always know something bad

01:24:44.520 okay okay so at the time of course like like this is early february 2018 i'm having my own

01:24:50.240 identity crisis myself i initially interpreted his call out as a friendly call out i was completely

01:24:56.100 naive to how seriously he was going to take this i happened to become friends with simon and like

01:25:01.900 me and him just like just like just like hanged up once or twice and kind of just like i he wanted

01:25:05.360 some help with this and that i want to help him out and so i'm at the house ksi's there we have 0.99

01:25:09.160 a friendly chat and i say hey it'll be a bit of a laugh to make this that's fucking dumb 0.97

01:25:14.260 This is funny 0.98

01:25:15.860 That's a legendary photo

01:25:19.100 He sent this to me

01:25:19.760 I booked the quickest flight I could to the UK

01:25:22.840 And I just went and saved him

01:25:24.060 I feel like I can go ice skating on his forehead

01:25:26.400 I was going to say

01:25:29.960 I'm done completely

01:25:31.120 This is on these people completely

01:25:32.520 But it is a rare photo of him without the headband

01:25:35.780 Like I said

01:25:37.000 This was before things escalated into

01:25:39.420 I was optimistic

01:25:40.700 Into things being professional

01:25:42.000 but I don't know who it was that made this personal 0.97

01:25:44.880 and pretty shitty. I'm pretty sure it was KSI 0.92

01:25:46.580 but it's like, it should have stayed

01:25:49.060 kind of friendly. I honestly personally like him

01:25:50.820 without that a bit. I'm just going to say it on the record.

01:25:52.520 You do? Yeah. But yo, I want to

01:25:54.340 ask you, since you've been in both camps

01:25:56.460 is it possible that Logan

01:25:58.740 and KSI could be friends? Absolutely.

01:26:01.140 So you've seen a different side of KSI

01:26:02.880 is there a different side to KSI than

01:26:04.380 Logan is aware of? Well, I don't know him

01:26:06.560 one another. That's the only encounter I've ever had with him personally.

01:26:08.780 And he tried to murder you with a knife. And he tried to murder me with a knife.

01:26:10.940 The only other time I ever encountered him was two days before the fight.

01:26:13.900 We were both in the YouTube space in London.

01:26:15.820 And again, similar thing.

01:26:16.740 So I made the decision early on.

01:26:19.040 You and KSI have the hostile thing.

01:26:21.040 If I ever meet him, shake his hand.

01:26:22.640 It's like, I've got nothing to do with this.

01:26:24.180 This was before the first fight.

01:26:24.960 This was before the first fight.

01:26:25.900 And you ran into him?

01:26:26.600 We ran into him.

01:26:27.460 And I went, hey, KSI, good luck to the fight.

01:26:29.920 And he's with his posse, his group, his entourage. 1.00

01:26:32.040 And he looks at me in the eye and went, go fuck yourself. 1.00

01:26:34.640 Go suck your mom. 1.00

01:26:35.620 Do you think it's possibly because you guys delivered something to his place? 1.00

01:26:40.940 yes oh and we did it we did a lot of i call i call it the hit piece now yeah the hit piece

01:26:47.000 video that probably screwed when we called him out when we called him out on his sexism

01:26:50.000 i remember that oh yeah well yeah i mean it got dirty it got way dirty yeah i think that's why

01:26:56.980 i think i think we we he cut deep we cut deeper yeah yeah it just just like with jake with when 0.97

01:27:02.520 when we clap back bro i go for the fucking throat and by the way so do you yeah it's like nah not 0.96

01:27:08.440 like i remember jake made like a mini logan logan diss track we made a fall of jake paul 0.99

01:27:13.660 diss track featuring why don't we yeah they got 250 million views yeah and like we we enabled

01:27:18.700 each other we encouraged it we're like like you had an idea and i'm like no let's go high

01:27:21.980 it was like i remember i remember even kind of giving you a basic script on that video on the

01:27:27.820 on the hit piece video like a basic idea in the script if i remember even to my own horn it was

01:27:31.800 my idea to also delete no handlebars yes it was yeah yes it was and by the way that was

01:27:37.920 that was an incredibly hard decision

01:27:39.420 it's a good call

01:27:41.280 by the way that video

01:27:42.500 cost me

01:27:44.600 $250,000

01:27:47.720 $250,000 lost

01:27:49.580 lawsuit

01:27:50.460 monetization on the video

01:27:53.620 claimed

01:27:54.220 then you also had to pay to shoot it

01:27:56.480 yes 0.75

01:27:56.880 oh my god

01:27:59.500 here's something interesting

01:28:02.080 I just want to touch on that

01:28:04.140 let me just say real quick on that note

01:28:06.100 through many of the downs that we've had i've i've uh lost probably 1.5 to 2 million dollars

01:28:14.720 total uh because of mistakes and things that i did not do correctly well hold on a second

01:28:21.140 a lot more than that if you include one certain mistake that you didn't do i'm not i'm no i'm

01:28:26.040 talking i'm talking about money like yeah like money in the bank money in the bank that i've

01:28:29.520 lost not like projecting potential yeah i have the i have the bridge danny can you give me a shirt

01:28:35.480 This feels weird

01:28:36.920 I don't want us to get into another deep conversation 1.00

01:28:40.160 I'm looking at your nipples 0.99

01:28:41.120 I have the bridge for the gap 1.00

01:28:44.680 I think

01:28:45.240 For when we do decide to do this

01:28:47.840 Maverick side men 0.66

01:28:49.460 Come to Jesus

01:28:51.600 So I was at a club the other night

01:28:53.240 I was at Warwick

01:28:54.040 And I was hanging out

01:28:55.240 And I started talking to some girl

01:28:56.740 And she takes a picture of me

01:28:58.600 And she goes I'm going to send this to my friend

01:29:00.480 And sends it to Ethan

01:29:01.960 Bazinga

01:29:03.680 I thought you meant

01:29:05.300 H3 Ethan

01:29:05.820 no

01:29:06.240 the one who called

01:29:06.980 Mike a walking tongue

01:29:07.800 a walking tongue

01:29:08.480 and so

01:29:09.480 and so I

01:29:10.180 so she sends him

01:29:11.320 and by the way

01:29:11.740 I had looked

01:29:12.260 and like a couple

01:29:12.780 of these dudes

01:29:13.140 follow me on Twitter

01:29:13.840 so I followed him back

01:29:14.760 and in all honesty

01:29:15.880 like I feel like

01:29:16.700 my thoughts towards them

01:29:18.640 is probably like

01:29:19.340 a lot of their thoughts

01:29:20.180 towards me

01:29:20.560 like I don't think

01:29:21.580 they have any animosity

01:29:22.480 towards me

01:29:22.960 I don't have any animosity

01:29:23.800 towards them

01:29:24.460 and you know

01:29:25.560 and you know

01:29:26.100 my biggest thing dude

01:29:27.440 is always to try to 0.98

01:29:29.080 iron shit like that out 0.94

01:29:30.020 connect with people 0.99

01:29:30.760 and make money somehow

01:29:31.660 build off of it

01:29:32.540 you know what I'm saying

01:29:33.000 so she sent a picture to him

01:29:34.100 and I think he sent

01:29:35.500 a picture back to her

01:29:36.620 of like a thumbs up

01:29:37.700 or something like that

01:29:38.440 it was just like

01:29:38.920 this really random

01:29:39.660 like moment

01:29:40.120 but it's the closest

01:29:40.820 we've gotten

01:29:41.740 to like a piece

01:29:43.920 or like some sort of truce

01:29:45.080 I was even gonna say

01:29:45.820 me and K size editor

01:29:46.760 we're mates

01:29:47.360 we messaged each other

01:29:49.500 on Instagram

01:29:49.860 there was a moment

01:29:50.800 where it was like

01:29:51.560 we both wanted

01:29:52.340 to have a boxing fight

01:29:53.540 on the undercard

01:29:54.220 I remember that

01:29:55.100 that was funny

01:29:55.740 and we both started

01:29:56.300 I think we both started

01:29:57.280 training for it

01:29:58.040 and like there was one time

01:29:59.320 when he tried to start beef

01:30:00.440 and I was like

01:30:01.160 nah mate what's the point

01:30:02.180 and like like we've just been friends since because of it because it's like because they're

01:30:06.060 not they're not mean they're none of them are like mean kids either like they're all the kind

01:30:10.020 of kids that like would you would be friends with you know what i'm saying and i game too and like 0.96

01:30:13.980 it's a lot of the shit like i've never had any amasi i hate i i told him so many times i hated 0.98

01:30:19.300 i hate always being a part of the manufactured beef that comes on the front end of the fight 0.99

01:30:24.060 it is my least it has been my least favorite part of this position my least least favorite part of 0.94

01:30:30.240 being his friend has been being a part of that bullshit manufactured marketing beef that leads 0.86

01:30:35.260 into the fight i hate it do you know what my prediction is because i still feel like logan

01:30:39.460 and jj can be friends i still think it's possible and my prediction is jj is going to come to la

01:30:44.860 in two years time well like he's still going to come to la but like things are still going to be

01:30:47.920 a bit like soft or whatever um there's gonna be a moment where both of you are going to be in the

01:30:52.440 same nightclub you're gonna you both had a couple drinks you're gonna lock eyes and you're gonna

01:30:57.140 make out yes i haven't written my whole fan fiction whole porn fan fiction no it's gonna be

01:31:03.540 you two are gonna lock eyes and there's gonna be a decision both of you are gonna have to make

01:31:07.180 do we want to keep this going oh my god are we just gonna or they just have a meeting and they're

01:31:12.160 like yo you want to link up get some logan logan's gonna speak from 2019 logan he's gonna say

01:31:16.540 something my guy that's not what's up we had the moment oh you had the moment yeah we had the moment

01:31:21.340 yeah nice

01:31:22.320 and then you know

01:31:23.480 what he's been doing

01:31:23.960 this past week

01:31:24.800 two weeks

01:31:25.720 he's on a press store

01:31:27.260 in New York 1.00

01:31:27.660 talking shit 1.00

01:31:28.400 well hold on 1.00

01:31:29.260 no hold 1.00

01:31:29.720 you fucking 1.00

01:31:30.560 hold on 1.00

01:31:31.040 he's got a chair on

01:31:35.180 his pants

01:31:35.560 diaper chair bro

01:31:36.560 no listen

01:31:38.300 we had the moment bro

01:31:39.840 you had the moment

01:31:40.420 and I meant it

01:31:41.200 I'm genuinely sick of 0.99

01:31:43.360 this fucking 1.00

01:31:44.380 you used the word 1.00

01:31:45.660 manufactured beef

01:31:46.580 yeah sure it got real

01:31:47.580 for a second

01:31:48.040 but I got no grudges

01:31:49.460 against anyone

01:31:49.940 I want him to do amazing

01:31:50.920 In my tweet after the fight

01:31:52.320 I was like, I can't wait to see what he does next 0.99

01:31:53.960 I pinned that fucking tweet 0.99

01:31:55.980 I'm not done yet 0.99

01:31:57.120 And then

01:31:59.920 This past week

01:32:01.360 I think the appeal

01:32:03.700 Me appealing

01:32:04.740 100%

01:32:05.940 And by the way, I get it

01:32:08.680 I hate to

01:32:12.800 Try to be like the righteous man here

01:32:14.940 I'm not that guy 1.00

01:32:16.180 I'm a scumbag 0.99

01:32:17.380 I hate that 1.00

01:32:20.080 I think it's a testament

01:32:21.700 of character

01:32:22.600 that I'm still like

01:32:24.120 yo I want him to do the best

01:32:25.320 yeah I appealed

01:32:26.240 but it's nothing against him

01:32:27.360 I just don't think

01:32:28.180 the two points

01:32:28.580 should have been taken away

01:32:29.340 but he's still on a like 1.00

01:32:30.680 a fuck Logan Paul wave 1.00

01:32:32.460 like dude 1.00

01:32:33.300 get over it

01:32:34.560 it's time to move on

01:32:35.520 it's because hating you

01:32:36.400 is still monetizable

01:32:37.280 no I don't

01:32:38.580 I don't think so

01:32:40.100 I don't think that's what it is

01:32:41.060 I think it's funny

01:32:41.980 because I think

01:32:43.020 that 1.00

01:32:43.980 like the amount of shit 1.00

01:32:45.520 did this mean nothing to him 0.99

01:32:46.660 because this meant something to me

01:32:47.640 no but hold on

01:32:48.300 wait wait let me say this

01:32:49.140 I think 1.00

01:32:49.680 I think the amount of shit you talked on the front end into the fight is almost equivalent to the shit he's talking on the back end out. 1.00

01:32:58.740 And so like all those times when you said, where are your parents? 1.00

01:33:02.620 Where are your brother on stage?

01:33:03.840 And he just sat there and went like this.

01:33:05.900 You know what I'm saying? 0.88

01:33:06.980 Now you're sitting here like this and he's going nuts. 0.99

01:33:10.400 And so he's he's basically kind of getting you back for all the shit you gave him on the front end. 0.98

01:33:16.180 and by the way like I hate I said it to you as as advice going forward I would always be the 0.98

01:33:23.060 person talking shit on the back fucking end and but but the difference is the difference is and 0.96

01:33:27.800 I think people JJ sidemen people who watch the fight people are interested in this drama need 0.99

01:33:33.800 to know is yo at the end of the day this boy was trying to sell fucking tickets a lot of it was

01:33:38.700 beef a lot of it was manufactured a lot of it was ego on both of their parts but at the end of the 0.98

01:33:42.440 they had a fight to promote and and it needed fucking promotion needed marketing plus you know 0.86

01:33:46.740 jj's like i mean dude he's he's he's playing he's playing as much of the value of the fight off as 0.93

01:33:53.140 he can like when we were outside of the fight i think i was walking with you a uh a truck drove

01:34:00.080 by with a billboard of his song yeah that he was about to release yeah did you guys see that was

01:34:05.000 really fucking small i forgot to bring this up yeah he he was strategic with this moment he's

01:34:11.700 I was like, you know what? 0.98

01:34:12.200 I've got the fight.

01:34:13.660 I'm going to launch a song.

01:34:14.720 I'm even going to pay for trucks to drive around outside of the stadium promoting my song.

01:34:18.900 You know what I admire about all of that?

01:34:21.420 Not only was his marketing, which, by the way, is why he's one of the biggest YouTube stars in the world, phenomenal with that, was the risk he took.

01:34:28.420 Because if he had lost...

01:34:32.340 Yeah, those trucks would be driving by and people would be... 0.98

01:34:34.580 He looked like a clown. 0.96

01:34:37.180 He took a big risk. 0.98

01:34:40.200 The hook is phenomenal.

01:34:40.700 The hook on that song is good.

01:34:42.160 Yo, there was one day, and I hate to even say that because I know we weren't even supposed

01:34:45.280 to talk about it, but there was one day where me and Logan both woke up, and I looked at 0.99

01:34:50.800 him, and he's like, and I'm like, fuck, fuck, I've been doing this shit all fucking morning, 0.99

01:34:56.480 and he's like, stop fucking singing it, stop fucking singing it, and I'm like, you stop 1.00

01:34:59.560 fucking singing it. 1.00

01:35:00.000 I was like, wait, am I doing it when he didn't like that song? 0.99

01:35:05.340 I'm not saying it was like the banger of the century, but it had a little hook to it.

01:35:08.900 That dude, J.E.D.M.

01:35:11.480 Jerks, Archaics, that guy. 1.00

01:35:13.680 Whoever sings The Hook, he murdered it. 1.00

01:35:15.500 He crushed it.

01:35:15.980 It was dope, bro.

01:35:17.060 The first minute of the song is great, but then for me, it was very one note.

01:35:21.460 Nothing changed, nothing improved, nothing escalated, and it just became the same song

01:35:25.160 for four minutes.

01:35:25.760 I'm curious to see where J.J. goes with the music, and I'm as curious as I am watching

01:35:33.940 you.

01:35:34.380 Where do you think he's going to go with the music?

01:35:35.640 I'd love for him to do a U.S. tour.

01:35:36.560 No, I'm not saying...

01:35:37.500 I think...

01:35:38.900 I don't make predictions like that.

01:35:41.160 Let me say this.

01:35:42.580 Those same kind of predictions, and I'm not comparing it,

01:35:45.020 but those same kind of predictions, I'm sure, were made for Arizona Zervis.

01:35:47.620 I'm sure were made for millions of people.

01:35:49.280 Yes, they were.

01:35:50.280 Yo, man, it's cool that you have a hobby.

01:35:53.360 We like that, but focus on what you're good at.

01:35:55.260 And I'm sure a million people said that to Arizona Zervis. 0.99

01:35:57.760 Then one day, one song, $10 million later, he's at the top of the fucking charts. 0.99

01:36:01.240 I never fucking phase anybody out. 0.99

01:36:04.040 If JJ needs to improve his content, he needs to get the fuck out of his room. 0.96

01:36:06.720 i don't know if he's interested in doing that jj and this is this is part of the reason i think so

01:36:12.280 many people like him is like uh that's his place no no he's he's a commentator commentary he's it

01:36:17.640 i believe i believe he he's an introvert i think he's an introvert and i i think bro like how what

01:36:24.280 did he start on youtube doing he was playing fifa and he he's got his tightening group of friends

01:36:29.560 i'm not sure if he is interested in like if he even wants to do that like if it ain't broke

01:36:37.140 don't fix it like i'm not he strikes me as like maybe like a like pewdiepie doesn't leave his

01:36:43.140 room but he's also the biggest creator in the world i think i think what's taking place in la

01:36:47.540 too is way different than what's taking place in london like if you look at la like we're out here

01:36:52.020 talking about vulnerable real content i think i think in areas like london it's a completely

01:36:56.880 different ballgame how weird is that do you think uk youtube is stronger than us youtube they have

01:37:03.340 the belief that you that the uk youtube like uh landscape or environment is stronger and more

01:37:09.360 driven the uk youtube environment is not as strong as it could have been it had great potential it

01:37:15.600 was growing to be something fantastic but then we had an early onset of uh canceling where a lot of

01:37:22.820 creators had to go out and they are gone and it broke the morale of the entire youtube community

01:37:28.380 and we have not been able to as far as i'm concerned i'd love to be corrected we've not

01:37:32.780 been able to bounce back because of this mass cancellation that we had we had a lot of creators

01:37:36.720 come out to be taking advantage of their fandom but what about the the fans dude because uk fans 0.99

01:37:43.080 are in fucking nuts i still am struggling with these motherfucking clown emojis you know what 1.00

01:37:48.780 fuck that can you know that part can you mark that please i can't deal with it anymore dude 1.00

01:37:53.480 you could ban the clown emoji from your comment shut up i forgot about that you just put it in 1.00

01:37:59.980 the band things right do it i think my my prediction is that uh the uk is a little behind

01:38:06.140 yeah they're behind i think like when i look at like when you and jake rose rose up i think that

01:38:14.300 was like savagery a lot of savagery from american fans and i think you're seeing that in london

01:38:21.140 just like a step behind like la leads the entertainment first community and world i mean

01:38:26.420 i'd say that's my personal opinion i think it's i think it's an extreme sense of patriotism i think

01:38:31.180 i think the uk fans love their creators because they i mean in the you're on an island in the

01:38:37.800 scope of things yeah it's like a small yeah you know they're kind of like i don't like isolated

01:38:42.500 But it's definitely a world of their own

01:38:44.260 It's a bubble just like we in LA are a bubble

01:38:46.220 We just happen to be leading

01:38:48.180 The entertainment content world

01:38:49.680 Are Brits more proud of their country right now than

01:38:52.280 Americans? Well we have the election

01:38:54.220 Today and it's fucking 0.98

01:38:55.620 That's massive 0.99

01:38:56.740 As far as I'm concerned

01:38:59.840 Ballots are being counted right now

01:39:01.640 That's a massive story

01:39:04.100 So the patriotism 0.99

01:39:05.720 In my bubble is a fucking disaster right now 0.99

01:39:08.440 In terms of where I politically 1.00

01:39:10.420 Stand it's a fucking disaster 0.99

01:39:12.440 uh whereas people on the other side thinking this is the greatest thing ever and that's okay for them 0.99

01:39:16.360 to think that as long as they're not actually hurting anyone but the patriotism is not as much

01:39:21.580 of as big of a thing as it is here in the in the uh in the u.s you know it's it's like you don't

01:39:26.300 have the uk having hanging american flags outside our homes uh uk flags outside our homes it's uh

01:39:32.280 we all kind of exist together as a community rather than as a representation of the country

01:39:35.880 yeah i think you can't you can't dog the the american spirit like no matter who's in office

01:39:41.940 no matter if it's somebody crazy i think at the end of the day people people know how free we are

01:39:46.780 how i think it's the low i think it's the lowest right now that it's ever been in the history of

01:39:51.420 the country i would say maybe the civil war being the one maybe the civil war time but but i think

01:39:59.560 that we are i think that we are approaching and by the way depression too that's no no no people

01:40:04.300 no people use the flag and the country as a way to get through that you know what i'm saying like

01:40:08.300 it was a tough time but people rallied around the country but i think right now there's a in in a way

01:40:13.560 it feels like a lead up to a civil war we are as we we're still very and and i don't also don't

01:40:19.520 want to like go too crazy because i think people read too much into the media and and fear tactics

01:40:24.640 that the news uses and stuff but we are we are kind of divided yeah and kind of aggressive towards

01:40:29.900 each other's parties right now and i i mean i wish nothing more than we could find a than finding a

01:40:34.580 you know commonplace again as a country do you want to know something interesting uh the civil

01:40:37.840 war i didn't know existed until a video game taught me about it assassin's creed assassin's

01:40:43.100 creed 3 amazing game i i didn't know i was never taught about the civil war how did you just answer

01:40:48.600 that question oh he used to play video games oh you played assassin's creed yeah i was i was

01:40:54.400 addicted to video games oh that's right you know but you also played your biggest on world of work 0.99

01:41:00.020 yeah wow so i didn't know that the civil war existed until that's insane yeah we fucked each 0.99

01:41:06.980 yeah we were never educated there and then and then from then on i was like holy shit this is 0.99

01:41:11.240 an incredible piece of history that was never taught it's one of the most disgusting yeah 0.99

01:41:16.160 deadly violent wars yeah literally ever that ever took place on this planet it was fucking 0.87

01:41:24.260 a nightmare dude i went to there's a museum and i think it's in virginia or something but there's a 0.90

01:41:30.520 there's a bullet two bullets encased uh because the the gunfire was so heavy the bullets hit each

01:41:37.980 other and merged together as one bullet someone found on the battlefield i've seen that online

01:41:42.100 i've never seen in person what's funny is that for years i thought the patriot starring male

01:41:46.120 gibson was a fantasy like a lord of the rings fantasy for the majority of my life i thought

01:41:51.000 that was like a lord of the rings type fantasy until assassin's creed went hey by the way the

01:41:54.400 civil war was real i went oh my god you know it's like and like i've been fascinating investigating

01:41:59.020 it for a brief good year

01:42:01.300 after the game, but good God, I didn't

01:42:03.380 know. Look at these bullets. During the Civil War,

01:42:05.420 two soldiers' bullets collided in midair

01:42:07.380 and fused together. What are the odds

01:42:09.400 of that? I mean, you can

01:42:11.240 imagine. That is

01:42:13.400 insane to imagine there was that much

01:42:15.340 gunfire. The type of warfare, too. It's like, you all

01:42:17.380 just get in the line.

01:42:19.360 I know this was impossible because they weren't able to get the guns

01:42:21.360 to fight. The Mythbusters tried it.

01:42:23.400 Tried to recreate it.

01:42:25.620 On a different note, while

01:42:27.260 you're here Hayden I'd like to hear from both of you what is and I think the fans would love this

01:42:32.160 as well what is the future of Maverick Media's content and and Logan Paul vlogs that is an

01:42:39.060 excellent question and it's something I definitely want to like use that as a conversation with

01:42:42.160 Logan it is we are at this incredible crossroads the fight's over we've had a good two years now

01:42:50.180 to really reflect on everything that we've been sitting on since that what is the next decision

01:42:55.860 that we have to make

01:42:56.780 and is it going to be

01:42:57.800 the right decision

01:42:58.440 we will find out in time

01:42:59.760 as of now

01:43:00.780 like you want to do

01:43:01.760 three vlogs a week

01:43:02.600 and two podcasts

01:43:03.640 that's something

01:43:04.540 I want us to talk about

01:43:05.460 like what

01:43:05.860 do we want to figure out

01:43:06.960 a strategy on those vlogs

01:43:08.140 like for example

01:43:09.560 I thought

01:43:10.620 do we want to post

01:43:11.680 Friday, Saturday, Sunday

01:43:12.900 and have it be

01:43:13.500 a trilogy of vlogs

01:43:14.440 and like that is a good day

01:43:15.660 or also

01:43:17.280 the thing that I'm actually

01:43:18.700 most concerned about

01:43:19.620 is we've made some

01:43:21.180 really really good content

01:43:22.340 this year

01:43:23.180 because we've had

01:43:23.980 the privilege of time

01:43:24.860 I know we can't go back

01:43:25.800 we can't go back to like

01:43:28.040 subpar quality content

01:43:29.760 or can you here's my question

01:43:31.920 I know it's not the same

01:43:34.500 numbers obviously but judging from

01:43:36.380 the success of the most upstart show in

01:43:38.380 YouTube history the night shift and 1.00

01:43:40.300 the fucking 0.99

01:43:41.540 vicious audience that is created 0.99

01:43:44.200 and one of the most engaged audiences that

01:43:46.320 it's created hundreds of thousands of views

01:43:48.340 on 200,000 subscribers by the way which

01:43:50.240 subscriber count which never grows ever

01:43:52.240 because I don't think the people that watch the show know

01:43:54.420 that you can subscribe to YouTube channels

01:43:55.820 because you're like 26.

01:43:57.100 But like, honestly,

01:43:58.800 people are getting to a point

01:44:01.500 where they want the real,

01:44:02.860 they want the authentic,

01:44:04.000 they don't,

01:44:04.900 I think 2020 will,

01:44:06.260 and I said this in the beginning of 2019

01:44:08.060 and I've been proving myself right all year, 0.98

01:44:10.740 that people are starting to fuck with the real. 0.96

01:44:12.840 They don't want the makeup, 1.00

01:44:14.000 they don't want the fucking crazy earrings, 1.00

01:44:15.740 they don't want all the bullshit, 1.00

01:44:17.060 they want to see what you're doing, 0.99

01:44:18.700 what happens behind the scenes,

01:44:20.620 the fights, 1.00

01:44:21.400 the real fucking shit, 1.00

01:44:23.160 and what your life is real, 1.00

01:44:24.260 really like the sweating attacks that you have when you try a show for the first time the fact

01:44:28.820 that you cheated the fact that you did this because that's who they are right that's who

01:44:33.180 they are they use it at they use it as a way to feel relatable to the person that they enjoy

01:44:39.380 watching you know what i'm saying can we do that free can we do that three times a week

01:44:44.280 like oh it's actually in fact easier it's 10 times easier than it will it might be at first

01:44:49.900 yeah but eventually bro we'll start manufacturing manufacturing scenarios that are real and like

01:44:57.540 like with reality television that's kind of what we did with the majority of like the flat earth

01:45:02.500 doc and you know yes you know with uh gucci face jacob like it's it's like i don't know like maybe

01:45:08.980 20 plan you take the seed of what you're given yeah and then you build it into something fantastic

01:45:14.340 Yeah. But in this case, from a from a reality standpoint and from an always on standpoint, you think of all these crazy concepts.

01:45:22.220 What can I do? Who can I who can I, you know, like run to as a good star for this or what crazy thing can I do?

01:45:28.380 Look at what's going on in this house. You've got one of the most controversial people in celebrity history, easily, easily in digital history.

01:45:37.680 you've got a 34 year old

01:45:39.740 ex-drug addict who is

01:45:41.740 now becoming a star

01:45:43.480 in his own right and has a problem with

01:45:45.360 women and all 1.00

01:45:46.500 settling down with one woman and all that shit 1.00

01:45:49.780 you've got a 1.00

01:45:51.300 vegan meditative

01:45:54.000 sad guru

01:45:56.060 you've got

01:45:58.260 a pilgrim

01:45:59.360 a real life pilgrim

01:46:02.200 who is

01:46:03.840 oh and by the way 0.99

01:46:05.660 throw a fucking dwarf in for good measure 1.00

01:46:07.500 You know what I'm saying 1.00

01:46:09.200 When we roll up to places

01:46:12.200 We went to Restoration Hardware

01:46:13.640 And it's this weird eclectic group of people 0.99

01:46:16.200 And by the way I feel so bad for the ladies 1.00

01:46:18.300 Helping us because we make no sense

01:46:20.900 We should not be together

01:46:22.580 Bouncing off the walls

01:46:23.740 It's an odd group

01:46:25.540 And that conflict

01:46:27.300 And at times collaborative spirit

01:46:30.240 And at times conflict

01:46:31.260 It's beautiful 0.99

01:46:33.100 It's a beautiful fucking thing 0.99

01:46:34.160 Like last night we talked about at the beginning of the show 0.99

01:46:36.280 That could have been filmed

01:46:37.340 Andre screaming

01:46:38.400 please

01:46:39.160 I must meditate

01:46:40.640 at 8 in the morning

01:46:41.540 you got me downstairs 1.00

01:46:42.540 with fucking four girls 1.00

01:46:43.780 a bottle of tequila 1.00

01:46:45.320 it's 4.30am

01:46:46.340 we just ordered $250

01:46:47.260 worth of Carl's Jr 1.00

01:46:48.140 you can't make this shit up 0.99

01:46:49.420 there's nothing to concept 1.00

01:46:50.800 just turn the fucking cameras on 0.99

01:46:52.860 so rather than telling the stories 0.99

01:46:53.900 at the start of Impulsive 0.98

01:46:54.780 this cool shit 0.99

01:46:55.440 you want that filmed 1.00

01:46:56.480 you want that documentary

01:46:57.280 you want that as the vlog

01:46:58.360 see he said it

01:46:59.040 you don't want to be telling

01:46:59.860 the stories here

01:47:00.500 you want that as the vlog

01:47:01.560 that's exactly what

01:47:02.420 that's exactly what I was thinking

01:47:03.840 and by the way

01:47:04.840 there's a lot of people out there

01:47:05.680 that want

01:47:06.200 good morning Logang what's popping today

01:47:08.360 we are bringing Kong to the groomer

01:47:10.120 and I am gonna dress up like my

01:47:12.340 dog there are people that want that

01:47:14.220 but I also believe

01:47:15.720 the cooler people

01:47:18.300 probably want to see this 1.00

01:47:20.380 show in real life turn the fucking cameras 0.99

01:47:22.480 on I said when we start vlogging 0.99

01:47:24.080 I predict a three to six

01:47:26.480 month adjustment

01:47:28.140 of audience as we

01:47:30.020 like this show for example this is

01:47:32.240 not my typical demographic I had to

01:47:34.580 age up and I think with the vlogs

01:47:37.820 there's going to be a little bit of that too

01:47:39.440 like views might not be that high at first

01:47:41.700 and then we'll get to a place where we're just churning 0.99

01:47:43.780 like fucking gold 0.96

01:47:45.260 that happens like every time I remember when 0.99

01:47:47.660 you first started kind of getting back into

01:47:49.720 vlogs in 2018 and like KSI was

01:47:51.700 talking shit about the views and then it's like

01:47:53.460 and then we're back up and then it's like about the podcast 0.99

01:47:55.860 like recently he's talking shit about the podcast 0.78

01:47:57.880 like we're winning streamies out here number one 0.96

01:47:59.620 biggest in the world his views in the past on his

01:48:01.760 past videos that have been coming out like have

01:48:03.740 been 10 7 12 like have been bangers and uh yeah it takes it takes a flow do you think having like

01:48:10.260 another almost like a video crew where like one person is hired to just film all the time so here's

01:48:18.640 why here's what the answer is no too much footage for me yeah yeah yeah i wouldn't i will actually

01:48:23.620 refuse what about somebody else yeah and they give you the meat potentially yeah that's actually a

01:48:29.480 much better compromise but that job sucks yes i was gonna ask is that the worst part of editing

01:48:34.000 absolutely it's the worst part it's it's it's when we're doing the daily vlogging thing it 0.90

01:48:37.700 would take me like if it was like an hour and a half of footage it would take me four to five

01:48:40.420 hours because i'm just like i'm just not paying attention i'm telling you though like when i go

01:48:44.780 to there's so many new companies now that are coming up and i see it like with drama young

01:48:50.920 and reckless like he's got a whole office with interns and like you know inventory coming in

01:48:56.600 and out i think like that would be what you'd have to probably scale into if you want to have

01:49:00.660 like for sure a system like that be easy um okay so there we talked about a lot i'll also

01:49:06.860 is there anything else yeah no there is a lot like i yeah we probably need you back on and by

01:49:10.720 the way i have the weirdest feeling that this was a really good like like for the people that

01:49:15.020 i mean it's a great but i'm also not done yet i'm not yeah okay all right cool okay our next

01:49:21.220 guess is here that's the thing but i don't i do not want to end here i'm like i i'm just kind of

01:49:25.180 warming up this is so much we can talk about so much more yeah so all right so uh let's talk

01:49:30.360 about this so you brought whiskey on set uh-huh and you started drinking it and then i was watching

01:49:35.420 you drink it and mike was watching you drink it we both started to get slightly concerned um do

01:49:40.000 you want to read the text i said or no no we just because well hayden let's be honest alcohol has

01:49:46.320 not always been your friend we're not we're not worried about your long-term like consumption 0.96

01:49:51.120 We're just saying that when you drink whiskey, you tend to call bridesmaid cunts. 0.98

01:49:55.780 Oh my God. 1.00

01:49:58.040 You're not British.

01:50:00.860 You're not allowed to say that word. 1.00

01:50:01.800 If you're British, you're allowed to say that word.

01:50:03.720 You're American. 1.00

01:50:04.480 You're not allowed. 1.00

01:50:05.000 Do you want to dive into Andy's wedding or no?

01:50:06.980 I'm definitely diving into the bachelor party.

01:50:08.720 The wedding is on.

01:50:09.500 I'm going to leave that up to you.

01:50:10.520 Yeah.

01:50:11.240 And we can leave it on a surface level.

01:50:12.840 And also, we could give it context for why you were lashing out, which is what that was.

01:50:17.960 It was.

01:50:18.360 Well, like we talked about it earlier.

01:50:19.500 It was during that time I was ready to go. 0.98

01:50:22.640 And so when it was Andy's wedding, I misbehaved really fucking badly.

01:50:28.160 So our friend Andy was getting married and it was a month before my first fight against KSI. 0.65

01:50:33.720 So I was in London, but all my friends went.

01:50:35.600 Yeah.

01:50:35.800 Chloe went, Evan went, you went, Mac and Tabi went.

01:50:38.780 Were you there?

01:50:39.320 I wasn't, no.

01:50:40.640 And what happened?

01:50:43.540 You drank a little too much and it was in the midst of all the chaos?

01:50:47.220 never ever give me an open bar well i also i also heard you were like hey you said you had

01:50:53.640 social anxiety from some people that i was that were there well that's because i was still having

01:50:57.760 a lot it's just anxiety in general just what like the trauma of the whole year would just give me

01:51:02.380 anxiety that wouldn't fucking go away and especially in the fact okay so and again i've 0.66

01:51:07.980 done many reasons when you're ready to go i that's what i have that's what i'm calling it when you're 0.96

01:51:12.160 ready to die you are i calling it ready to go there is something that happens inside of your

01:51:17.180 brain that basically says okay consequences no longer matter and that entire month i was the

01:51:23.500 most self-destructive i've ever been in my entire life because at the end of the day i'm gonna go 0.92

01:51:28.700 it doesn't fucking matter bro you remember the bachelor party right no yeah it is the epitome 0.84

01:51:34.260 of what he's saying all right so this is this is i didn't know he was going through all this 0.97

01:51:38.840 yeah um i just thought it was like i introduced him on the show is one of the most interesting

01:51:42.940 people i know i just thought it was like hayden being the character he is so we went

01:51:46.900 on a boys trip to sun valley for andy our friend's bachelor party and one of andy's good friends 0.97

01:51:53.300 was an ex nfl player like recently released from the san francisco 49ers big dude fucking animal 0.94

01:51:59.900 an animal like an athlete and we're in the car driving i'm driving and we had just um we had 0.97

01:52:07.180 just went to a bar and we were hanging out partying dancing and we're in the car and hayden

01:52:11.480 starts starts bickering with this nfl player and i'm listening to it and i'm like this is interesting

01:52:17.760 hayden's not a smart move really in a place to be like what was i saying i genuinely didn't remember

01:52:21.900 i think i think i think you said something like i'll fight you right now yeah you're like i'll

01:52:26.060 fight you right now and he's like yeah okay yeah he was just kind of like chuckling he's like he's

01:52:30.760 like huh okay and he and he's and then hayden goes no really you don't think i'll fight you

01:52:34.920 right now in this car like you you pissed yourself off by like not accepting your own challenge

01:52:40.560 facts facts and the guy and the guy's like i mean all right if you want to do this so i'm in the

01:52:44.760 front seat and you're driving as well yeah mind you i'm i'm only here on this planet to have a 0.87

01:52:50.360 good fucking time so i do what any friend would do and i pull over so my boys can fight yeah 0.99

01:52:55.560 i pull over i pull over on the side of the road i go yo are y'all are y'all a fucking about it 0.99

01:53:02.640 Are y'all about it? 0.99

01:53:03.820 Be about it.

01:53:04.500 And we all got out of the car.

01:53:05.800 Yo, I don't even make my way around the car. 0.99

01:53:08.660 I hear, and I'm like, what the fuck was that, bro? 0.98

01:53:11.900 And Hayden is scrapping with an NFL player. 0.99

01:53:14.740 Yeah.

01:53:15.460 Not necessarily scrapping. 0.99

01:53:17.280 He's just being fucking dominated. 0.98

01:53:19.800 He turned into a scrap. 0.98

01:53:21.420 So this dude gets out and he calls Hayden's bluff.

01:53:24.180 And he punches him in the face.

01:53:26.560 And they get in a fight.

01:53:27.840 In Sun Valley, it's pitch black.

01:53:29.860 There's no light pollution.

01:53:31.720 Pitch black.

01:53:32.640 probably like 2-3am

01:53:34.640 and I'm like oh my god

01:53:36.500 my editor is getting beat up by a football player

01:53:39.260 and it's 100%

01:53:41.140 his fault 0.75

01:53:41.620 100% his fault

01:53:42.820 they shook hands after

01:53:48.000 look at that dude's hand

01:53:50.980 he's so big

01:53:51.960 they made up but Hayden did not

01:53:55.100 you know

01:53:55.940 how I didn't lose a tooth is beyond me

01:53:58.800 this is a live photo

01:54:00.200 can you play live photos 1.00

01:54:01.740 and damn bro 0.99

01:54:03.680 you took it like a champ though 1.00

01:54:05.940 like a champ you're like

01:54:08.160 I think you said something like that was one of the best moments

01:54:10.660 of my life 1.00

01:54:11.200 I thought I was like this motherfucker is so British 1.00

01:54:14.480 like only a Brit would get punched in the face 1.00

01:54:16.540 at like a pub and be like wow that was the most fun

01:54:18.500 I've had in years

01:54:19.100 great job mate

01:54:19.960 the thing is I do remember having fun

01:54:23.960 like that was it

01:54:25.020 it was because I was in such an out of character

01:54:28.060 mindset that I just did things

01:54:30.380 that i would never do i am a recluse i like to keep to myself i'm introverted and this is the

01:54:36.580 one time when i stood out of that bubble yeah it got me in trouble and i probably would never do

01:54:40.920 that type of behavior again at the time it was still fun but like i said it was in the context

01:54:45.260 of where i was in that mind this was a very low moment despite the fact i had fun afterwards as 0.99

01:54:51.080 i got on that plane and i started thinking about what i was doing i was like who the fuck are you 0.99

01:54:55.900 Hayden. This was one of my favorite things 0.99

01:54:57.700 about you. I'm not even kidding

01:54:59.960 because this is the kind of shit that makes me 0.99

01:55:02.000 relate to you. This is the kind of shit I would 1.00

01:55:03.940 do. Maybe not at my current age, but 1.00

01:55:05.940 at some point in my life, I would probably talk 0.99

01:55:08.060 shit to some giant person so they would punch me in it. 1.00

01:55:09.940 You did. You did. You just saw me do it two weeks 1.00

01:55:12.180 ago. I hate it.

01:55:13.800 By the way, my face would have looked much worse.

01:55:16.520 But that was the thing. I hated

01:55:17.820 myself so much that I

01:55:19.900 chose the biggest dude in the bachelor party 1.00

01:55:21.780 and I was like, fuck me up, bro. 1.00

01:55:23.400 I don't think you were really trying to fight him. I think you were like, 1.00

01:55:25.760 hey you won't punch me right now

01:55:27.580 you're going to punch me 1.00

01:55:28.660 also is it that you hate yourself 0.98

01:55:30.160 it's a self-sabotage

01:55:34.480 that's what I was going to say

01:55:35.140 there's people that like pain

01:55:36.920 this was my own way of self-infliction

01:55:38.980 and that's why I have a

01:55:40.300 we can celebrate the context of it

01:55:42.900 we can celebrate what happened

01:55:44.800 but the context of it

01:55:47.260 this was genuinely

01:55:48.460 I'm afraid to say a self-infliction

01:55:50.160 this was a way for me to want to hurt myself

01:55:53.620 and that's why this was bad behavior wild absolutely wild and and that that was one of

01:56:00.300 the most that's what i think that's when i realized i was like oh this we're dealing with the uh we're

01:56:04.200 dealing with the special kid that is that is hayden haley or smith um i want to talk a little bit

01:56:09.780 about the let's get tactical with vlogs okay yep um do you remember daily vlogging me on this side

01:56:19.020 of the pond say i travel running around towns attempting to find wi-fi fast enough to upload

01:56:24.640 to you yeah in which case you would hopefully have wi-fi fast enough to download yeah to get

01:56:30.640 it posted in time and if you didn't you would be running around at 4 a.m in the rain in london

01:56:36.520 sitting outside of the google headquarters downloading footage that's a shame i didn't

01:56:41.080 find that image i'm sure you probably got that image saved as well but it's yeah there was

01:56:44.260 genuinely time so i had just moved with my family outside of london where it was the shittest

01:56:49.180 internet ever and good god we had so many problems with it so much so i had a vlog ready and i had

01:56:53.980 to get an uber a hundred dollar uber which i don't think you ever pay me back for but

01:56:58.320 but a hundred dollar uber to the google headquarters and sat outside yeah you said

01:57:05.100 yourself at 2 a.m to get this vlog online and that was the dedication i had i but here's the thing

01:57:10.280 i've never had this amount of dedication or passion before on anything so crazy it's really

01:57:16.860 difficult for me to get passionate about something and i've even talked about some therapy what the

01:57:21.020 fuck happened that may be this passionate about the vlogs was it the confirmation that i was then

01:57:26.940 living what i wanted what i dreamt through you was it that potentially i i think i have the answer 0.99

01:57:33.500 what's up i think in a tremendous amount of value and importance was placed on you 0.97

01:57:39.800 insane by the way because bro i asked myself why why why the fuck do we do this why do we 0.97

01:57:43.960 torture ourselves to make these vlogs and it was because we were getting validated by millions of 0.79

01:57:49.280 people every day who doesn't want that what human sees the amount of views we were getting and is

01:57:53.420 like this isn't where we should stop now you just got it that was it it was this is the first time

01:57:57.760 in my life ever got responsibility that i had responsibility and validation there's been many

01:58:03.420 projects i've been in where it's been this xyz and it's like only got a thousand views ten thousand

01:58:07.860 views so like 150 if we're lucky this is the first time when we started getting millions

01:58:11.680 and this is the first time yeah where i given the context of my childhood given the context

01:58:18.920 everything all the rough things that i've been through this was the first time in my life where

01:58:22.740 some sort of validation got me and that is why i'm passionate working with you passionate working

01:58:30.960 with maverick passionate about what we're doing in the future because this is genuinely the first

01:58:35.140 time in my life and i'm scared of losing it which is no reason why and i'm afraid to say that kind

01:58:39.740 of gives you some more power i'm afraid i'm scared if i ever leave this job i will never have this

01:58:44.680 type of validation of my ability ever again that's not true that's not i understand the fear

01:58:49.760 That's not true

01:58:51.020 And by the way

01:58:52.020 It's evolution

01:58:53.900 It's growth

01:58:54.400 Like eventually

01:58:54.960 Maybe I'm wrong

01:58:56.780 Who knows

01:58:57.540 Our relationship is interesting

01:58:58.900 But like

01:58:59.320 With you for example

01:59:00.760 Like you used to work here

01:59:01.780 And then it was like

01:59:02.740 A very mutual like

01:59:03.740 Okay

01:59:06.160 Yeah but we do talk 1.00

01:59:07.240 Mad shit behind his back 1.00

01:59:08.400 And by the way 1.00

01:59:10.340 It's gonna happen

01:59:10.800 With Andre someday

01:59:11.560 And Mac and David 0.99

01:59:12.820 And it's just fucking life 0.99

01:59:13.780 It's fucked up though 0.99

01:59:14.580 Because like 0.96

01:59:15.040 With people like David and Mac

01:59:16.460 And even sometimes Danny 0.97

01:59:17.780 We talk shit about them now 0.97

01:59:19.040 like they didn't even quit 1.00

01:59:19.880 we're not talking shit 0.99

01:59:20.940 about these people 0.98

01:59:21.640 that's

01:59:22.320 I'm afraid to say that

01:59:23.920 I'm kidding

01:59:24.580 that is an anxiety

01:59:26.180 that I have

01:59:26.780 I'm afraid

01:59:27.220 well also Hayden

01:59:28.320 like I'll just

01:59:29.400 I'll be blunt

01:59:30.220 and tell you

01:59:30.740 now and I think

01:59:31.540 I've told you this

01:59:32.140 like I plan to grow

01:59:33.120 and evolve with you

01:59:33.920 for I would love

01:59:34.720 I would love to give you

01:59:36.220 a job that you love

01:59:37.020 to do every day

01:59:37.600 for the rest of your life

01:59:38.360 and my job is to

01:59:40.060 just keep evolving

01:59:40.840 and keep you stimulated

01:59:42.420 in a way where you can

01:59:43.520 stay creative

01:59:44.360 and hungry

01:59:44.900 you know

01:59:45.660 like you're not gonna

01:59:47.460 edit vlogs

01:59:47.880 for the rest of your life

01:59:48.560 if you continue

01:59:51.320 giving me things like Flat Earth

01:59:53.040 and the Maverick documentary

01:59:54.000 and the Slap documentary

01:59:55.700 if we are to do

01:59:57.760 this is my warning to you now then

01:59:59.720 if we're going to be doing three vlogs a week 0.99

02:00:01.640 and it's the same shit every week 0.99

02:00:02.840 I'm gone 1.00

02:00:03.700 meet Hayden Hillier-Smith

02:00:07.280 everyone

02:00:07.660 it is

02:00:10.920 if you, if I am

02:00:12.860 since you've brought up my ego

02:00:16.060 this is your fault now

02:00:16.880 since you if you do not continue to challenge me i will go i don't i don't i don't that's a great

02:00:24.220 i don't blame you for that bro like i i don't want someone working for me who isn't happy and 0.97

02:00:28.760 loving what they're doing i i can't i not don't want i can't have that i have enough shit going 0.70

02:00:32.260 on no but even take it as fire though don't like you know like he's he's basically just saying 0.92

02:00:36.920 challenge him you know what i'm saying like challenge yourself to challenge him if we as

02:00:40.280 creators settle like that's a problem and we should never settle ever again we settled with

02:00:45.080 daily vlogging we really did and that's how we led to the mistakes that we made because we settled

02:00:49.100 we as a team need to continue growing and need to not lose focus on growing what is next what's

02:00:56.040 bigger what's better in a healthy and smart way look at the lessons that we get and make sure

02:01:00.920 and question ourselves because we talked about it earlier how the views taught us the wrong lessons

02:01:04.200 we need to look at the lesson so is this the right lesson how can we learn about it we need to

02:01:07.340 continue to be better continue growing continue being the one of the best creators on this

02:01:11.620 platform and we will work together for years i promise you that thanks i would i would just

02:01:17.400 caution yeah like i respect first off your emotions make you the a great artist but i would

02:01:24.580 caution living from that space of fear because i think that document came as the as a fear

02:01:29.840 versus like a passion to create and i feel like you're able like those those times in the past

02:01:37.320 it's like two years ago it's time to bury those like leave those in 2019 that's what that's what

02:01:41.940 anxiety does it just makes it such a hard thing to let go the fact that i you when i meet new people

02:01:49.420 i talk about japan as an icebreaker now as in a i purposely throw myself under the bus to give

02:01:58.920 them power and i trying to figure out why you're a sadomasochist do you do do you do sado type uh 0.99

02:02:07.120 sexual sex or no fuck that vice versa like have you ever tell me this have you ever had a have 1.00

02:02:16.500 you ever been whipped in the balls to a point where it hurt and you didn't say stop you had 1.00

02:02:21.340 a safe word but you didn't you didn't fucking use it i'm so sorry i'm a very vanilla sex person 0.99

02:02:26.120 i'm so sorry i really do think on a real note i think that you know this is perfectly acceptable 0.99

02:02:36.400 because like what you went through with your mom like dude you're seven there's like a lot of of

02:02:42.020 scientific research that shows like traumas that happen before the age of seven are way harder to

02:02:47.200 overcome and i think that it's it's easy for me to just say yo hey watch out for that like it's a

02:02:53.720 practice that you have to do on a daily basis but i would encourage you to to just know that you

02:02:59.200 don't need to create anymore from that space of fear you can create from that space of love and

02:03:05.240 if it ever gets to a point where there's three vlogs a week you don't have to go to logan and

02:03:10.420 like say i'm gonna resign you can just walk up to him be like hey bro not uh not a fan of this one

02:03:15.120 uh can we talk about this and this is why on your on your earlier note i would say you you've to

02:03:19.880 contextualize what you've said the biggest flaw in my personality and i know this for a fact is

02:03:24.600 i identified myself by trauma identify my character identify my personality in trauma that i've had

02:03:31.180 as a reason for my personality did you watch her last podcast with peter i'm afraid not no

02:03:35.340 you have to watch okay i feel like watch that podcast and that's gonna give you so a whole

02:03:41.220 different perspective to live by so what it is and like to kind of thank and on that note it is

02:03:46.780 that's the main reason why i decided to move to america whereas we sat on a visa opportunity

02:03:52.140 for months and i was so afraid of leaving because i became that recluse i started hiding in my room

02:03:59.100 i said not leaving because that was all i knew and then when i then had the epiphany of why am

02:04:04.620 i sitting in this dark room all by myself for the majority of my life i need to get out and so part

02:04:10.680 of this whole eight month journey that i've had by living here is trying to learn to genuinely make

02:04:16.060 friends again to genuinely become who i am destined to be and genuinely become who i want to be because

02:04:24.800 i no longer want to identify myself as trauma there's such a horrible character flaw that i

02:04:29.760 need so desperately break it's not i i hear you yeah first off it's not uh uh something as heavy

02:04:36.620 as i think you is if you you give it weight um dude you're not alone it's a shitload of people

02:04:42.720 out there that are listening to this right now that are probably feeling exactly the same way

02:04:46.280 like you move to a new place you go to a new school you whatever it is start an mtv show yeah

02:04:51.740 and seriously you have an anxiety attack when you start like i have an anxiety attack all the time 0.88

02:04:56.900 it's so common it's common as fuck you don't need to identify with it i think that's the biggest 0.94

02:05:00.600 thing like when it comes up that thing is not you you can overcome it it's like your greatest 0.97

02:05:05.200 teacher yeah it's that it's that perspective shit yeah it's it's it is something i'm definitely

02:05:09.500 working on what you said is something i'm working on it is changing my relationship with fear 0.94

02:05:14.540 changing my relationship with anxiety and changing my relationship with trauma

02:05:18.020 to become the best possible person that i can be and already i looked at myself before i left

02:05:25.020 the the uk and that person i don't even recognize i have already grown so much how crazy is that

02:05:31.460 eight months ago yeah how quickly is that if we did this if we did this podcast the week i moved

02:05:38.100 here i would be a fucking emotional wreck because it was just oh i would barely say anything because 0.73

02:05:43.340 i'll be the shyest person ever yeah it is for me is build relationships i'm afraid to say that's 0.96

02:05:49.580 the one that's the one thing i'm struggling with the most it is i've because of last year i've

02:05:53.920 forgotten how to build relationships because i have that anxiety i can give you i can give you

02:05:57.080 a tip i feel like that's gonna really help you um in a time like any time that i've been lost

02:06:03.020 and i try to be heard i just do damage i do damage on others i do damage on myself and that's what i

02:06:09.380 did but if you can admit which i think you are you're in that space of saying i feel lost i'm

02:06:15.620 lost then listen yeah like get in the habit of listening so don't try to be heard and that's

02:06:21.720 that's a really tough that's a very tough habit to create but surround yourself with the people

02:06:28.440 that are here but listen yeah just listen be a fly on the wall listen to what they're saying

02:06:33.100 listen to what they're doing like happier people have something to say and they have something to

02:06:38.000 teach you and i think broken people hurt people hurt people right we hear that all the time like

02:06:43.100 hurt people try to be heard they try to they try to create content they try to do things and it

02:06:47.620 hurts other people it does so just listen yeah whenever you're in doubt just listen to what

02:06:52.180 people are saying man when in doubt listen to people what they're saying i'm gonna have that

02:06:55.260 as my ringtone so i'm reminded of it every time your ringtone is gonna be listen to people when

02:07:00.980 people are talking how are you gonna program it do you mean your wallpaper no no but it's great

02:07:04.520 Because then I can listen to a text, you know, like listen to what it's like, you know, it's a reminder, I guess, you know, that's great advice, Spencer. Listening is listening. Listening is incredible. Remember the trip to Big Sur? One of the epiphanies we had? Yeah, I had anyways, I was just like, the importance of just really listening, active listening. It's it's it's it is the number one thing that makes good actors, good, great actors, great actors is because acting is just reactionary. If you're listening, and you're really digesting what someone's saying. If you're a human, you'll feel something.

02:07:33.840 and you'll regurgitate whatever your

02:07:36.080 line is. I'm about to regurgitate right now

02:07:38.200 to be honest with you.

02:07:40.160 I mean it's just a little tequila.

02:07:42.700 Have some whiskey.

02:07:43.820 And also knowing that we got another banger

02:07:45.920 after this and a night shift and a fire.

02:07:48.820 Do you

02:07:49.140 remember Yosemite?

02:07:51.900 Yes. That was so much fun. A lot of fun.

02:07:54.240 So we shoved like eight people

02:07:56.180 in the cool bus and Hayden was one of them

02:07:58.240 because we knew we were not going to have 0.99

02:08:00.200 motherfucking 0.94

02:08:02.140 wi-fi yeah which has been the bane of my existence in yosemite so he brought hayden with us so we 0.79

02:08:09.240 wouldn't have to upload footage and then he wouldn't because we couldn't and so here's a

02:08:13.680 picture i have of us in yosemite editing in the back of the bus which which by the way okay so

02:08:18.820 there's andy again we look at andy's creepy face that's terrifying we'd film during the day in

02:08:26.340 yosemite and then hayden at night or whenever you could just slaving away in the corner of the bus

02:08:32.520 yeah editing but at that at that point what i was doing was so second nature to me i didn't have to

02:08:39.140 think about it at all i was on autopilot during that time this was uh april of 2018 i was on such

02:08:46.320 a good autopilot mode that despite the fact that i was grinding i didn't have to think about it

02:08:50.140 yep yep it was a great time it was fascinating to me because you were you were you were working

02:08:55.120 so hard bro like everyone else was out doing like fun stuff and you were editing in the school bus

02:09:00.060 and then we drive to the one we drive like 30 minutes to the one spot in yosemite that had

02:09:04.920 just a little bit of wi-fi we'd sit there for 20 minutes while it uploaded post it and then go back

02:09:09.000 to the fun yeah but um yeah this was absolutely crazy that was a wild trip we actually got kicked

02:09:14.420 out of yosemite we did we did that's because logan's controversial was still very fresh

02:09:19.040 at the time so like

02:09:20.100 if Logan breathed

02:09:21.620 we'd be kicked out

02:09:21.920 it was like everybody 1.00

02:09:22.460 flocked to us

02:09:23.180 we weren't that crazy

02:09:24.100 I'm not good with

02:09:25.560 authority

02:09:26.280 and especially like

02:09:27.800 like

02:09:28.860 bro forest rangers

02:09:29.900 yeah forest rangers

02:09:30.560 forest rangers bro

02:09:31.860 shout out to all the

02:09:32.860 forest rangers out there

02:09:33.800 we love your job

02:09:34.900 and you're doing a great job

02:09:36.140 for the environment

02:09:37.180 thank you

02:09:37.500 except that one lady 0.96

02:09:39.060 who 1.00

02:09:39.440 I think was

02:09:40.660 my opinion was a bit harsh on me

02:09:42.360 like you just were a bit

02:09:43.260 you're a bit harsh

02:09:44.000 she had a problem with me 0.98

02:09:45.180 right from the get go 0.85

02:09:45.860 yeah

02:09:46.360 I think we left open

02:09:47.540 the uh

02:09:48.180 the bear 1.00

02:09:48.820 we yeah someone didn't put away the fucking cooler and she was pissed yeah and she's like 1.00

02:09:54.000 if it happens again i'm gonna kick you out and then someone fucking didn't put it away again 0.97

02:09:58.400 yeah it happened and you know you know what nah you did your job i get it yeah also something 0.96

02:10:03.640 people don't know thumbnails you got to make the thumbnails which by the way when it comes to

02:10:09.300 youtube is the only thing that matters unfortunately it's it's also i genuinely say it's the worst part

02:10:14.160 of our process it's the bit i hate the most yeah because for me at the time we finished a video

02:10:19.680 it's being uploaded i'm kind of checked out at that time i don't think you realize that i've

02:10:24.280 kind of checked out i want to move on to the next thing but then we spend another sometimes three 0.76

02:10:28.320 hours on a fucking thumbnail i had hayden i had hayden screenshot his camera roll so just so you 0.90

02:10:34.140 can get the so he'll he'll send me a draft i'll be like hey like brighten my face a little bit 0.98

02:10:38.480 take me out of the background um you know whatever whatever the notes are and we'll go back and

02:10:44.380 forth you know for hours on different hours challenger game edits like little notes tiny

02:10:50.800 i'm i'm i am the most it's it's a blessing i got a joke coming in from the audience and she's funny 0.96

02:10:57.380 i just i'm the most faces i'm the most specific motherfucker ever like i even texted andre 0.92

02:11:04.180 yesterday like bro attention to detail i like that though despite the fact i hate it i also 0.95

02:11:08.440 kind of love it because it's meant we've improved consistently because we're not settling yeah this

02:11:12.540 this was the thumbnail for the maverick documentary which by the way didn't even end up using these

02:11:16.660 for the main documentary like four hours on that one different draft on on like like something as

02:11:22.080 simple as my face like i was right here i was like hey like my cheek is a little bulgy here

02:11:26.380 i don't know why that is yeah can you because look at it it's because it's just the masking

02:11:30.760 like i kept on cutting off part of your cheek and then i kept on trying to put it back and i want to

02:11:34.800 put it back as you can see a bit of your beard made that ring out and then you kept on complaining

02:11:39.280 about that and i was struggling to find the middle ground yeah but it's it's fascinating

02:11:43.780 hot like the true like intricacies of what goes i think the average person that would look at

02:11:48.900 your thumbnails would never think that you would never think that you guys like eight to ten

02:11:53.480 different iterations well i think that's why like i read a stat it's like 74 percent of like

02:11:58.980 what is it like 7 to 16 or something

02:12:01.420 year olds want to be a YouTuber

02:12:03.080 it's the majority of kids want to be this

02:12:05.920 and I think this podcast is really

02:12:07.660 important to those types of people

02:12:09.220 it's like yo this is what it really looks

02:12:11.840 like this is what it takes if you want to be

02:12:13.740 a YouTuber if you want to be

02:12:15.600 number one in YouTuber actually have a 1.00

02:12:17.760 career like this is the type of shit like are you prepared 1.00

02:12:19.800 to do that the biggest curse with 1.00

02:12:21.820 YouTube is that we make the mistake in making

02:12:23.880 it look easy no no no

02:12:25.640 I don't know I think that's just professionalism

02:12:27.740 yeah that's professional that's you know that's just okay that's the name of the game that's what

02:12:31.140 any yeah any basketball football player that's what they do i think i think that's like i'm a pat

02:12:36.160 jake and i on the back for a second i think that's the one thing that we did when we because 0.86

02:12:41.620 again just like stroking my ego for a sec like jake and i like fucked up youtube bro we came in 0.97

02:12:47.960 we slapped it in the face you loved us you hated us whatever it was like we were like 1.00

02:12:53.300 fuck everyone 1.00

02:12:54.900 like the more things we could make explode 1.00

02:12:57.320 destroy collapse

02:12:59.280 the better I think you guys set the tone

02:13:01.280 well because we started to treat

02:13:03.460 it like a business like we hired editors

02:13:05.340 with strategy by the way who were in the

02:13:07.380 UK we gave them notes there was

02:13:09.420 a there was a schedule for

02:13:11.320 everything like we

02:13:12.340 we we treated this like we

02:13:15.360 wanted to become the biggest in the world yeah

02:13:17.040 and so did you yeah and

02:13:18.940 you know we both

02:13:21.380 have realized a lot about ourselves

02:13:22.900 through the vlogs and I think this is interesting

02:13:25.000 you

02:13:26.000 had a crazy weight loss journey

02:13:28.920 I mean throughout all of our journeys you had a crazy weight loss

02:13:31.260 journey and it started because

02:13:32.880 I have the clip here you saw

02:13:35.180 how you looked in a vlog

02:13:36.320 that you were editing that you were also in

02:13:38.540 this is another testament on the daily

02:13:41.120 vlogging thing I stopped looking after myself

02:13:43.120 because everything that mattered was work

02:13:45.020 was

02:13:46.000 it was McDonald's or

02:13:49.060 Domino's every day

02:13:50.500 i i think i'm pretty sure i saved mcdonald's and domino's from going from bankruptcy because i was

02:13:55.340 buying them every single day it was i wasn't drinking water i was drinking coke sugar i didn't 0.51

02:14:00.720 i stopped giving a shit about myself because in my mind it was to get the video out and when i 0.99

02:14:06.040 then visited in december this is the video that made me realize holy fuck what the hell have i 0.98

02:14:11.200 done and just like just watch this whoa where's the ripple where's the ripple there's just one

02:14:19.220 ripple bit there's one there's one part that it ripples that you didn't like that ripple that was

02:14:24.480 the moment right here that yeah it was that ripple watch it again bam and the fact that my belly 0.98

02:14:31.540 rippled in slow motion so greg filmed that so fuck you greg for filming that but it's it's 0.98

02:14:39.340 greg filmed it greg filmed it yeah your dad filmed this bit in slow motion but it was 1.00

02:14:43.780 and especially i'm afraid to say i'm tooting you in horn next to your fucking body jesus christ 0.98

02:14:49.120 this is this isn't even like i mean i've never i was this is like that's not in shape to me 0.99

02:14:55.100 that's medium and i don't don't don't think that says a lot the fit that to me that says you're

02:14:59.180 in amazing shape at that time for me but i that was the moment that made me realize oh god what

02:15:05.440 the hell are we doing and that was the start of my journey i'm afraid to say a month later than

02:15:09.500 we knew that did japan so i'm afraid to say the journey started a bit too late for me but

02:15:13.320 it was that was a moment i sort of started reflecting and then like i then got to the

02:15:18.340 gym started working out a lot i got a gym buddy uh started counting calories i didn't know what

02:15:22.980 calories was until i started this journey and it was i lost about i think if i remember correctly

02:15:29.700 like 30 to 40 pounds just out congrats within three to four months i'm afraid to say my

02:15:37.500 discipline on working out has definitely been lost while i've been here but that's something

02:15:40.760 i want to start picking up again you'll get it back yeah you got a gym out back yeah but it's

02:15:44.840 I know for the fact that I can get it back.

02:15:46.680 You actually lived in the gym.

02:15:48.000 Yeah, I lived in the gym for a couple months.

02:15:49.860 You kind of had really no excuse whatsoever.

02:15:53.460 Here's the thing I found interesting.

02:15:54.700 The fact that the gym was right next to me made me lazier.

02:15:56.760 The fact that when I lived in the UK,

02:15:58.320 I had to travel for 30 to an hour to get to the gym.

02:16:00.960 So when you get there, you do real work.

02:16:02.260 I appreciate that.

02:16:03.340 And I actually might switch to go see Bradley Martin at Zoo Culture.

02:16:07.900 Yeah, I might start working out at Zoo. 0.99

02:16:09.640 Because I do the same shit. 1.00

02:16:10.800 When I go to that gym out back, I'm like fucking... 1.00

02:16:12.800 Because it's easy. 1.00

02:16:13.640 Blah!

02:16:14.840 you ever had that feeling

02:16:17.100 I've said the exact same thing

02:16:18.700 if I have to go somewhere

02:16:20.640 I've already lost

02:16:22.000 I built a fortress

02:16:25.360 so I don't have to leave 0.98

02:16:26.540 so why the fuck would I leave 0.98

02:16:27.460 do you want to tell that story 0.98

02:16:31.880 about one time I

02:16:33.160 inadvertently wingmaned you from across the pond

02:16:35.760 well you got that

02:16:37.820 girlfriend at all now so it might be tricky

02:16:39.260 oh no no she knows about

02:16:41.800 this story and it's fine

02:16:42.780 I'm allowed to talk about previous relationships

02:16:44.600 and whatnot this was in the this has happened twice actually do you remember this happened twice

02:16:48.960 it did yeah that was one time it was at one time uh so this was um this is when i first started

02:16:55.560 working with you six months in or whatever you first got a couple million or whatnot and there

02:16:59.980 was a time when i was editing you on the public transport on my train back to my home and i'm

02:17:05.820 editing away and then the girl comes up like next to me and says like hey is that logan paul yeah

02:17:10.360 yeah i work for him and we started chatting some more chatting some more and then we got a date

02:17:14.580 and then a couple more dates and it was great and then she dumped me because i was working for you

02:17:18.840 too much so it's funny from across the pond i wingman him i got him a girl yep and then also 0.99

02:17:24.980 cock blocked him because he was working too much yes and it happened again the wing and cock 0.90

02:17:29.940 maneuver yeah classic classic and again it did happen again we only went on one date but again 0.96

02:17:34.720 it happened again another time when it was like you facetimed me and again i'm on public transport

02:17:37.960 i'm on a train you face on me and like actually no the fact she even publicly tweeted about it i

02:17:42.300 even found that she tweeted that she's like oh my god this guy's talking to logan pool but like she

02:17:46.940 had like two free followers so it didn't really matter that much but again it was again talk to

02:17:51.740 her it was a really good icebreaker you needed a girl with two followers yeah that's my dream

02:17:55.620 that's my dream that's my dream is that even possible yeah i feel like it's harder to have

02:18:00.120 two followers than it is to have like 200 like how do you keep your following that small yeah

02:18:05.320 But like I said, it was, yeah, so you winged man me twice across the pond. 1.00

02:18:10.780 That is a stupid superpower. 1.00

02:18:14.380 Yeah, it's a crazy time. 1.00

02:18:16.800 All right, bro, we've been going for a while.

02:18:18.320 Have we?

02:18:18.680 Yeah, we should probably have you on again at some point.

02:18:21.480 Yeah.

02:18:22.400 What?

02:18:22.900 Part two.

02:18:23.520 Part two.

02:18:23.940 Part two.

02:18:24.460 Absolutely.

02:18:24.940 Let's do that.

02:18:25.600 All right.

02:18:25.900 So, I mean, I think that's it.

02:18:27.620 We talked about a lot, dude.

02:18:28.580 So I just, I guess, thank you for opening up.

02:18:30.820 Thank you.

02:18:31.220 And thank you for sharing a little bit of what it's like to live your crazy life.

02:18:35.320 Hayden Hillier Smith

02:18:37.440 where can they find you

02:18:38.280 on Instagram

02:18:38.780 and social media

02:18:39.640 what

02:18:40.240 H Hillier Smith

02:18:42.680 no hyphen 0.97

02:18:43.180 H I double L I E R

02:18:44.780 Smith

02:18:45.460 on Instagram

02:18:46.040 on social media

02:18:46.820 I'd love for you guys

02:18:48.120 to come talk to me

02:18:48.940 I'd love to talk about editing

02:18:49.800 as much as possible

02:18:50.700 and just

02:18:51.200 yeah come hang out

02:18:52.580 when he says H

02:18:53.580 that means H 0.92

02:18:55.040 yes

02:18:55.680 when he says F

02:18:56.680 that's actually a T H

02:18:57.820 yeah

02:18:58.220 yeah that's it

02:18:59.540 that's it

02:18:59.820 I can't say T H's

02:19:01.380 for me it's four

02:19:02.040 so if there was a fourth

02:19:03.960 4 movie

02:19:05.760 the hero

02:19:06.240 in Marvel

02:19:06.820 it'll be

02:19:07.380 for me

02:19:07.620 it'll be

02:19:07.820 4-4

02:19:08.280 he's not

02:19:09.120 I can't say

02:19:09.660 my TH's

02:19:10.280 this is one

02:19:10.780 of those

02:19:11.040 things that's

02:19:11.720 really hard

02:19:12.160 to understand

02:19:12.800 that's actually

02:19:14.120 not a bad

02:19:14.460 accent

02:19:14.780 that's the

02:19:15.620 first time

02:19:15.980 I ever

02:19:16.200 got it

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Impaulsive with Logan Paul - December 14, 2019

E144 LOGAN PAUL’S EDITOR HAS DARK SECRETS - IMPAULSIVE EP. 144

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