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00:06:58.040So this is like a two minute interaction of her just poking the cop.
00:07:02.760And he makes a comment like, please, can you just make sure you're safe and maybe not be here and stop antagonizing so I can go protect someone who actually needs to be protected.
00:07:19.580I watched the entire scene last night, and it's very frustrating.
00:07:23.100She claims to be someone who wants to protect and portray the police and our servicemen and women as top-level and important to the country.0.97
00:07:31.600And then she goes and fucking pokes him repeatedly after he was extremely patient with her.0.98
00:07:44.440We know why she's there to poke people and to get a reaction and then to flip that reaction to drive positive sentiment for this fringe belief on the on the right side that that everyone is that every liberal is a psychopath screaming maniac.0.98
00:08:01.340she picked handpicked every time someone yelled every time someone pushed her and turned it into
00:08:06.580a montage what you don't see is the first three hours of her being there berating people who are
00:08:12.780celebrating their their livelihood and their and their gay pride like it's it's it's painful and
00:08:19.020it hurts me to watch and honestly while i was watching it last night i was going to tweet about0.75
00:08:23.780it i was going to say something about it last night and the reason why i almost hate doing
00:08:27.320this right now is because the reason she does it is for this is for this discourse to happen on this1.00
00:08:33.160fucking show and for her to get another 1 million fucking views and for people to talk about it that0.97
00:08:38.260is to make no mistake that is why she does it but she's in she's definitely in the realm where she's1.00
00:08:43.160on social anyways completely discredited like i like at least on twitter anyways like no one0.83
00:08:50.440takes this girl serious i don't know how she goes out in public safely i have no it probably0.88
00:08:56.200because she always has a camera on her she's probably carrying but like she i i really do
00:09:01.360try to give people the benefit of the doubt especially come from coming from someone who
00:09:05.180has been through controversy and who has been hated and knows what it feels like to be under
00:09:08.940a microscope but but but when you show zero signs of change a change or improvement or anything like
00:09:15.400i we had her on this show and i'm she's the first guest that i'll say like i'm ashamed that i had
00:09:22.680her on this show and for that reason i'm deleting the episode with caitlin bennett the gun girl do
00:09:27.960you want to request a review first no i think we did and not and understand this is not this is not
00:09:33.640a stunt she's what she's gonna do now is she's gonna she's gonna clip this part of the show
00:09:37.340she's gonna put it on her twitter and say the impulsive boys think my conservative speeches
00:09:42.220offends them so they hold on so they deleted our episode like this is liberal brainwashing okay
00:09:49.120that's exactly what i know exactly how this girl works how every piece she moves on the puzzle or0.90
00:09:54.440on the chessboard works i said to her on this show i said it really sucks because you're a sweet girl0.93
00:10:00.140you're smart you're driven and you have the ability to do good things for the for the right
00:10:05.560unfortunately she never took the note that once you get the eyes on sometimes you need to come0.78
00:10:12.160back to fucking earth she could she could right now she could remold her narrative and start to1.00
00:10:17.380say things and act in a civil fucking1.00
00:10:19.420way and she's not doing she's antagonizing1.00
00:14:27.740Not in this sort of shower set up, naked and like talking about passive income while startled and naked, having moments before used a lawnmower as an upturned fun device.
00:14:40.620I don't know how you people are living.0.97
00:14:42.760This is like, yeah, what jackass started, you guys are finishing.
00:14:46.240What I feel like is, yeah, like, look, it's interesting when you get immersed in celebrity.0.74
00:14:51.860You know, I can't imagine what it's like when it's on a new frontier like you're on.
00:33:14.260Like, if we had to hang out for a week and survive Navy SEAL style,
00:33:17.060There'll be moments of despair, desperation, where each of us would be in tears that needed love and support.
00:33:21.080And I reckon the camaraderie that them people have is probably part of the thing that's really attractive about them.
00:33:26.800Yeah. One thing you do, too, is I think, and Logan told me this after meeting with you, is you make the stuff applicable.
00:33:33.440There's a lot of gurus in this space and a lot of people that do the mindfulness stuff that it is just a burning ball of spiritual gas.0.99
00:33:43.180And I look at it and I'm like, what the fuck is this shit, dude?0.99
00:33:47.060They're like, if you delve into the alpha meta dimension,1.00
00:33:49.940you will find your spiritual liaison and it will lead you to,0.99
00:33:53.100and I'm just like, yo, Doug, what the fuck are you saying?1.00
00:33:55.220I just did heroin for 10 fucking years.1.00
00:51:57.480and uh like especially like the hustle mentality and like always trying to like go out and do
00:52:02.100things to like find a sense of okay i'm somebody um and i and i think we're called human beings for
00:52:07.900a reason you know because you don't call a tiger a tiger being a dolphin a dolphin being their
00:52:13.040animals and we've been given the title of human being and i feel like that if we can find that
00:52:17.660sense of um happiness and self and peace just by being and so many of man's problems and suffering
00:52:24.120comes from not being able to be in a room alone, quietly.
00:52:27.960Yeah, we need to be able to get into flow states0.57
00:52:31.140without needing Dorothy Porridge's sex machine1.00
00:52:33.700to numb my other asses out or whippets or whatnot.0.99
00:52:36.420Do you blame potentially any kind of slow0.89
00:52:40.920and technological improvement that we may be experiencing1.00
00:52:46.220or any, you know, you talked about these monkey communities0.75
00:52:48.840and we really haven't gotten far from there.0.94
00:52:50.360I've seen stories about the the death of boredom being a massive contributor to the lack of advancement in society and content in whatever case, because people that thought of great ideas thought of those great ideas because they had nothing else to do.
00:53:05.620They were sitting there with themselves, thinking, breathing, being as opposed to Dorothy poured sex machine.0.99
00:53:12.580Grandma names Pokemon like we are surrounded and inundated by a pile of flaming dog shit right now.1.00
00:53:25.300And unless you are a skilled navigator, which maybe you are or the Spencer vibes who follow zero people on Instagram because it's not hard to see something you don't want to see when you follow no one.1.00
00:53:35.620unless you're a skilled navigator of that shit pile you're going to be inundated by by shit and0.99
00:53:40.720you're going to and you're going to be inspired by shit why don't we apply mike the system that0.99
00:53:44.500we already discussed that you and i have successfully deployed around our addiction0.99
00:53:47.720to chemicals to this phone use now how that would work is you would obviously set yourself some
00:53:51.940targets you'd say that all right i don't when i get up i do whatever it is i do i don't just
00:53:56.820delve straight into the phone and then i'm not allowed to numb out i'm allowed to look at that
00:54:00.580screen for one hour or two hours a day when it's related to work you know like that's the that's
00:54:05.680the equivalent having a program having a plan a plan that was suggested to you by someone else
00:54:09.940is the way of changing that behavior rather at the moment we've just got our own plan i'll look
00:54:13.740at it when i feel like it i'll do what i want to do obviously in your line of work in your world
00:54:17.960in your generation it's going to be something that you interact with but it's unconsciously
00:54:21.540interacting with it's problematic you don't need me to tell you that the people that invented that0.98
00:54:24.760shit don't let their kids look at it that they themselves have all sorts of restriction around0.99
00:54:28.360it because they used it, knowing what they know about addiction, knowing what they know about0.99
00:54:31.980people like us that just can't stop once we start. And all of us have these inbuilt tendencies to one
00:54:37.480degree or another. So we have to make a conscious decision to say, right, I'm going to do this for
00:54:41.060this amount of time. And then if you don't do that, it's not like you have to go and shoot
00:54:44.320yourself in the garage, but you sort of have to go, oh, wow, I wasn't capable of doing that.
00:54:48.640That's interesting. That's addiction. You're skipping a step though, where that statement
00:54:54.040works on me. And by the way, I know exactly what you're talking about with these people who built
00:54:57.480facebook built youtube they built it with this endless scroll that's just going to keep scrolling
00:55:01.720the the videos on youtube autoplay so your videos never stop you don't even have to you don't even
00:55:06.120have to scroll anymore they'll do it for you it was built like that the step we're skipping with
00:55:10.560logan is unlike me i don't think he's at step one he's not he's not he has no problem with it
00:55:16.620and so like until he until he says okay like and by the way i've admitted it but i'm even worse in
00:55:22.880a lot of ways i'm worse than him i think my screen time might even be higher than his so i am at the
00:55:27.140end of the day i'm you know preaching in the choir but like you know it's a good point all
00:55:33.200the people that built these these applications have their kids off of them they're not on them
00:55:37.340to our earlier point unless there's a problem there's not a problem like slogan you're a young
00:55:42.720man you're successful like you know let be guided by whatever it is in you that's taken you this far
00:55:48.460trust it to a degree you don't need to put yourself in some self-imposed penury you're doing
00:55:53.860you're doing well but if ever you find yourself reflecting hmm i want to change i want to do
00:55:58.780things differently then start to look at this method this system recall this conversation
00:56:03.460reach out you know but like if yeah like mike's saying if there ain't a problem no problem
00:56:08.000don't need to you know we don't all need to sort of get jesus christ up to the max do we
00:56:13.720start wandering the earth in robes preaching or should we try that like your man spencer no shoes
00:56:18.740of socks on in a country that's got a lot of pineapples and a lot of spiders risky the fact
00:56:24.220that the fact that um technology has advanced the way it has and how um prominent specifically
00:56:30.640phones are in our lives and again i'm going to go back to social media because it's
00:56:35.520my birthplace uh are you aware that are you aware that there's a statistic out that like
00:56:42.26070 of kids want to be youtubers when they grow up that's the that's the occupation that they
00:56:46.980want to become they want they want to be famous they see the life that youtubers have created
00:56:51.180celebrities in general do you think it's unhealthy to chase fame in that way to to want to be famous
00:57:00.000yes i do but like you know but i think people have always wanted to be something probably in
00:57:05.480ancient tribal societies people wanted to be warriors or hunters or whatever it was you know
00:57:10.100like but what i feel is that fame when you're like speaking to somebody who wanted to be famous when
00:57:15.900i was a kid even though i recognize the language around it and the types of fame that are possible
00:57:19.120now are different and varied i still think there are certain archetypes there are certain type of
00:57:23.200people that become famous you're a recognizable archetype there's lots of things about you that
00:57:26.800would like you probably would have been famous in the 50s you probably would have been famous in the
00:57:30.44080s it would have just been for a different journey it's just the technology existed now
00:57:33.940for this particular type of fame but like i suppose the problem with fame is it presents you an
00:57:38.140external image and then tells you that if you achieve that external image you're going to be
00:57:41.580happy and also in so doing it imposes and enforces certain cultural ideas that are not necessarily
00:57:48.160beneficial to us i heard once culture is not your friend we think of culture as our friend but
00:57:51.740social media you know why this is ultimately making money for people it's making profit for
00:57:55.760you know sort of whatever organization drop shippers that kind of stuff drop shippers
00:57:59.640are the key issue here today mike and if we can just stop one person drop shipping i'll consider