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00:02:12.340 And, like, I could, like, try to help other people so much.

00:02:15.320 But, like, there will always be those things that I can't get rid of.

00:02:20.560 You know what I'm saying?

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00:02:23.380 And so that was definitely my lowest point.

00:02:26.320 For sure.

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00:02:47.640 and then i have to do it uh afterwards and it's always weird oh hey how oh and also uh yeah and

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00:02:59.220 Welcome back to Impulsive

00:03:00.400 The number one podcast in the world

00:03:01.860 You guys might notice the energy is a little different today

00:03:05.080 It's because we are missing someone

00:03:07.220 Like Mac has switched seats 0.56

00:03:09.300 Completely just hopped across the table

00:03:11.780 I'm the new co-host

00:03:12.660 He's replacing Mike

00:03:14.400 And Mike's cool

00:03:17.100 He's a good guy

00:03:18.100 And so we actually decided

00:03:21.140 To make this whole entire episode about him

00:03:23.240 For the first time ever

00:03:24.820 mike is going to be the guest on impulsive because you guys may or may not know today is the day

00:03:31.220 that his book is being released it's called the fifth vital and uh he's spent probably a good the

00:03:37.340 better half of a decade working on this piece of work and i cannot imagine how stressful that would

00:03:44.140 be how much weight is on this so i'm excited as a friend to pick his brain and also seeing his

00:03:49.660 journey hearing the stories late at night you guys have just have a little taste i've been able to

00:03:54.440 dive deep into this man's brain and had the privilege of listening to it not everyone has

00:03:58.480 the privilege of getting to read his book and learn about his mistakes and why he's been able

00:04:02.860 to trans transform his life into what it is coming from literally the lowest of the lows

00:04:08.180 that you'll hear about today so ladies and gentlemen you've seen him on 180 plus episodes

00:04:13.100 of impulsive he is our co-host our roommate our business partner and our best friend it is mike

00:04:20.040 malak ladies and gentlemen published author this feels weird i was gonna ask what's it like

00:04:29.040 nope this is not okay no i like it i can tell you already this is not okay boys really do you want

00:04:36.440 to switch we actually can i i know what i got this okay you're the guest okay you are the guest

00:04:42.020 mike and it's it's crazy because we were talking we're like we're like i wonder if mike's gonna be

00:04:46.720 able to fill the space this podcast the one podcast where you are supposed to talk you think

00:04:51.560 you're gonna be able to do it the pressure is immense yeah i can imagine i honestly already

00:04:55.620 need a break i can imagine i'm stressed out i'm dead serious this is horrifying for me i don't

00:04:59.640 like being on the side of the desk even though i'm always uh trying to command the attention

00:05:04.740 when someone says here you go it's yours i get sweaty i get hot and i get nervous yeah and that's 0.65

00:05:09.860 exactly how i feel right fucking bro embrace it absorb it and by the way how could you not i've

00:05:14.840 I've been having conversations with Mac and people around the house, and it's like, that book that you're holding in front of you, The Fifth Vital, I care so much for you. 0.76

00:05:24.360 And by proxy, I also care so much about this book because this contains your life in it.

00:05:30.240 This is your life in a novel.

00:05:32.320 And you said something to me.

00:05:33.820 You're like, bro, what if people don't like it?

00:05:36.500 That's my life.

00:05:37.400 This is not like a piece of fiction that you made.

00:05:39.920 This is nonfiction, and it is directly correlated to you as a person.

00:05:43.600 And I cannot imagine the amount of tremendous stress and emotion that you're going through with the release of this book.

00:05:48.540 Your first one.

00:05:49.680 This week has been stressful.

00:05:51.800 It has been.

00:05:52.540 I'm already stressed.

00:05:53.600 I'm already tired.

00:05:54.240 I'm already anxious.

00:05:55.300 And now I'm doing shows.

00:05:56.700 I'm doing shows like this.

00:05:58.440 I'm doing interviews.

00:06:00.000 It's eight years.

00:06:01.960 Eight years of work has gone into this book.

00:06:04.260 And the book itself contains the 26 years that led into that.

00:06:09.640 And so the amount this book means to me and means to my life is tremendous.

00:06:15.100 Why I love this for you, not only as a friend, but as a peer, is because typically along

00:06:24.200 the timeline of a YouTuber's life, they'll do a couple things where they'll venture off.

00:06:28.940 They'll make a song, start a podcast, publish a book.

00:06:33.700 I have to stop you and say this chair goes back so far.

00:06:38.120 Lock it on the side.

00:06:39.460 just chilling i know so a lot of youtubers that release books i i would i would feel confident

00:06:47.380 in saying there's not five percent of the substance that you have in this book this is

00:06:53.160 this was a thing that you told me you were making before you even like knew what a youtube was

00:06:57.460 one of the very first things you told me when we started developing our friendship was hey man

00:07:01.960 i don't know if i've told you this but i've been like writing a book for the past

00:07:05.300 five years about my life, because I also don't know if you know this, but I've

00:07:08.440 been addicted to drugs for 10 years, and it claimed a better portion of my life.

00:07:16.020 And I'm putting it into a novel, and I write every night. And the fact that it's coming to

00:07:21.360 fruition now, I just want to pick your brain about it. And I know the answers to a lot of

00:07:25.820 these questions, but I'm going to give you oops, because beyond the eons of wisdom that you've

00:07:31.740 imparted to me and the impulsive audience. This book is a side to that people have not seen. And

00:07:36.940 sure, our goal is to sell the book, but your goal is to sell the book, but I'm here to help.

00:07:42.660 But also there's a lot to be taken away from this. Yeah. I mean, this book is, uh, it's

00:07:49.240 everything. It's completely uncensored. When I wrote this book, there was a million times where

00:07:54.640 I went back and forth with myself and said, is this appropriate? Is this something that you want

00:07:58.680 to tell is this something you want people to know and every time i didn't i i from a macro

00:08:05.780 standpoint the easiest way for me to to to say this is i did not want to really i really did

00:08:10.220 not want to tell the story it was not comfortable it dot it did not feel good to tell the the story

00:08:16.360 that i told in this book it hurt it was painful it brought back memories that i already am choking

00:08:24.020 down right now because it uh the feeling associated with those memories is so painful to me

00:08:31.060 when i first started writing it there was going to be a lot of censor censored stuff there was

00:08:37.540 going to be a lot of stuff that i kept out and it was going to be a cookie cutter story of drug

00:08:41.000 addiction and rehabilitation when you gave me a platform or a sniff of a platform no pun intended

00:08:48.500 and people started messaging me and saying yo your story makes me feel this way your story I

00:08:56.960 have struggled with this I've struggled with that my mom did this whatever your story makes me feel

00:09:02.680 okay makes me want to keep going even some people who said your story makes it makes me feel like

00:09:08.620 it's okay to be 27 without knowing exactly what you want to do for the rest of your life because 0.91

00:09:11.920 I was there I was 33 with no idea what the fuck I want to do with the rest of my life 0.87

00:09:15.280 As soon as I started hearing that stuff 0.94

00:09:18.000 I never cut another thing

00:09:20.420 I brought back everything that I had cut

00:09:22.820 That is everything

00:09:24.280 It's everything 1.00

00:09:25.400 It's every sick, twisted 0.94

00:09:27.220 Regret 0.99

00:09:29.000 Disgusting thing 0.96

00:09:31.940 That I can't wrap my brain around 0.58

00:09:34.100 How bad of a state that I was in

00:09:35.640 To have done the things that I did

00:09:36.960 Is in this book

00:09:38.000 I know some of these stories

00:09:40.540 Why are you comfortable

00:09:43.280 With people knowing these things about you?

00:09:45.280 I'm not, I'm not comfortable with it, to be honest with you. I, somebody asked me, one of the reporters done a bunch of interviews, a bunch of press on the front side of this book. And one of the reporters asked me, how do you feel right now? Like knowing this is all about to go out. And I said, it feels like someone is about to pull my pants down in front of the entire world. And I know it. And there's absolutely nothing that I could do to stop it.

00:10:10.020 no and so um what was the question again no it was a great answer it was a great answer

00:10:18.900 how are you comfortable you said you're not and i that's what i'm saying

00:10:22.320 mike i've i've had the pleasure you're you're a great orator you tell great stories and you're

00:10:29.240 hilarious and i've had the pleasure of some nights a little gem of a story will slip out 0.98

00:10:34.840 of your mouth and i'm like i go wait pause rewind what the fuck are you saying some of these things 0.94

00:10:41.120 you have are like straight out of a movie and that'd be crazy if one day this was adapted to 0.99

00:10:44.640 a movie it's already in the talks no no way yeah yeah the my my partner and co-author riley j ford

00:10:49.920 has already had a couple uh or one of her books for sure go and be made into a netflix movie so

00:10:55.220 she's talking to them about this one already um i would love for that to happen but yeah i mean

00:10:59.600 can i can i give some context for people who don't know your background like i'm you you've

00:11:03.900 touched on it yeah but mike what were you addicted to well let's jump into it like i'm trying to

00:11:11.860 complex answer how bad was it uh as bad as it could get as bad as it could get um this was not

00:11:17.500 a this was not some like uh yo i have a uh over prescription to xanax and i don't really like how

00:11:23.540 they make me feel so i'm gonna stop this was a 10 year uh day after day blood bath fight to the

00:11:31.700 death bout with the addiction to opiates and and uh amphetamines and xanax and everything under the 0.81

00:11:38.940 fucking sun um i like to consider that i was one of the forgotten ones and and people have already 0.83

00:11:44.800 asked me and maybe you would you know who this book was for why did you write this book you have 0.98

00:11:49.440 a you have a youtube audience who wants to see you uh uh you know jump off the roof into a ball

00:11:54.600 pit do that why are you doing this this this book is for the people who have nothing left to live

00:12:02.060 for they have no hope left and that's exactly where i was from the age of 18 years old when

00:12:08.300 sorry 16 years old when i was given my first oxycontin in in a hospital bed because i'd

00:12:15.720 broken my femur the feeling that that gave me the relief that it gave me over the thoughts that have

00:12:21.080 spun in my head since i was a kid and the the relief from the pain i felt physically emotionally

00:12:24.900 mentally the that was then followed up by uh months of painkillers being prescribed to me

00:12:32.160 and i've been through that loop about five times for different surgeries that i've had in my in my

00:12:36.120 life um when it came time for me to be when i was 18 years old i tried my first oxy on the streets

00:12:42.000 oxycon and i sniffed a 20 milligram oxycon and and from that day i always remember the day it was

00:12:46.520 it was right down the street from my high school um i was actually 17 i was a junior in high school

00:12:51.740 by the time i was a senior in high school i was a full-blown uh addict and i couldn't go to school

00:12:56.560 i couldn't um i did but i would sweat very similarly to the way you've seen me sweat on

00:13:01.680 the show but not from nervousness but from uh withdrawals to opiates i have two things one i

00:13:07.600 think it's incredibly noble that you were as raw as you are in this book for the sake of the people

00:13:12.240 who were going through what you went through.

00:13:14.800 Don't take this offensively,

00:13:16.660 but when you were in that stage

00:13:18.560 and during that decade of battling

00:13:20.900 substance abuse and addiction,

00:13:23.560 were you reading?

00:13:25.060 Were you consuming content?

00:13:26.600 Will they take the proactive action

00:13:29.760 of reading a 300-page book?

00:13:32.020 It's a great question.

00:13:33.300 It's a great question.

00:13:34.140 And the answer for me is no.

00:13:36.420 It depends on the level of the addict.

00:13:38.860 It depends on how desperate their life is.

00:13:40.160 It depends on their living arrangement.

00:13:42.020 I mean, when I was for the majority of my addiction and the majority of the time that I spent dependent on drugs and whatever, I had no home.

00:13:51.200 Do you know what I'm saying?

00:13:51.720 I slept on couches.

00:13:52.980 I slept I've slept in trunks of cars.

00:13:54.800 I've slept in I've slept outside, slept on the street.

00:13:58.700 And no, there was never a time where I was like, yo, there's a new book about to drop except for one time.

00:14:04.700 And that was when I when I took my first step to get clean.

00:14:07.700 I went to rehab.

00:14:08.740 and you find yourself in a hospital setting

00:14:11.800 with no hope.

00:14:14.200 But well, actually, let me rephrase that.

00:14:15.880 You find yourself in a hospital setting

00:14:16.940 with a brand new hope

00:14:18.040 and a brand new kind of lease on life.

00:14:22.240 Yo, I might actually do this every time.

00:14:23.760 And a lot of people who deal with addiction

00:14:25.720 go to rehab multiple times.

00:14:27.540 But every time you go, it's just a little spark.

00:14:29.840 Like, yo, maybe this is the time.

00:14:31.000 And your family says, yo, maybe this is the time

00:14:32.500 he gets it right.

00:14:33.080 And they have that little hope.

00:14:34.820 That's when you want this book.

00:14:37.040 That's when you want this book.

00:14:38.040 on the way up when when you're in rehab when you're in rehab you have nothing to do you have

00:14:44.280 no you you go to groups you you you spend a lot of time by yourself reflecting thinking about

00:14:50.160 things that you regret things you wish you could have done better how you would have treated your

00:14:54.040 wife better if the circumstances weren't the way they were and you have a lot of time to read you

00:14:58.460 have a ton of time to read i read a lot when i was in rehab and uh and so this is a i think it's

00:15:04.200 a great piece for for anybody and i think we're in a different age now a lot of the people that

00:15:09.580 do reach out to me on twitter on instagram on facebook or whatever are are currently addicts

00:15:14.300 you know i have two years five years eight years i've been shooting heroin i can't believe you're

00:15:17.740 releasing this book like i i've been going through this for so long and no one's ever spoke for me

00:15:22.260 i've never seen a celebrity i've never and especially a youtuber i've never seen a youtuber

00:15:26.100 wow that is fascinating

00:15:27.820 and so yeah I mean

00:15:30.560 for people that can get it

00:15:32.440 it's great and I will get 0.99

00:15:34.780 this book to fucking rehabs I will 0.98

00:15:36.560 I don't care if I have to buy a thousand copies myself 0.99

00:15:38.540 like this book will be on the shelf

00:15:40.240 it should also be said that Mac took the

00:15:41.960 cover image which is awesome

00:15:44.760 Mike I know your mom

00:15:47.600 I know your family

00:15:48.960 I know your sister

00:15:50.420 they're gems

00:15:53.360 all of them

00:15:55.080 so sweet, so kind.

00:15:57.820 How does a 17-year-old from Connecticut,

00:16:00.860 New Haven, Connecticut,

00:16:02.240 get addicted to drugs

00:16:03.800 with a loving family,

00:16:05.700 mother, sister, father, everything?

00:16:08.360 Well, I think that's like the biggest part of the story

00:16:10.460 is that it quite literally can happen to anyone.

00:16:13.380 You know what I'm saying?

00:16:14.320 And it is, it is.

00:16:15.500 I mean, the biggest story here is

00:16:17.480 this book is a story of the past

00:16:20.060 and is a story of things that happened to me

00:16:22.040 and I want it to be a tale of hope

00:16:23.320 so that people can climb out

00:16:24.460 and hopefully live whatever version of success is for themselves.

00:16:28.440 But the bigger story here that's partially told and that is ongoing and present

00:16:32.560 is the fact that more than 2 million people in this country right now

00:16:36.800 are going through the same exact thing that I want.

00:16:39.600 They're your brothers, they're your sisters, they're your best friends,

00:16:42.140 they're your moms, your dads, your teachers, your janitors,

00:16:45.620 the people that you knew as a kid growing up but haven't heard from in 15 years.

00:16:50.000 everyone knows someone who is struggling with this opiate epidemic that has claimed

00:16:56.000 thousands and thousands and thousands of lives in this country how did it happen to me

00:17:03.120 in the early 2000s there was a there was a tidal wave of narcotics prescriptions written

00:17:10.920 and in all honesty a large chunk of my graduating class was was an opiate addict by the time they

00:17:16.060 graduated high school all of them with loving families

00:17:18.080 all of them with with nice white picket fences 1.00

00:17:20.040 dogs all that shit 1.00

00:17:20.960 but there was such a saturation and so 1.00

00:17:25.780 such a mass amount of these pills

00:17:27.960 that when they hit they

00:17:29.880 it was a tidal wave it was a tidal wave

00:17:31.800 and there's and there's shows about this like the pharmacist on

00:17:33.880 Netflix right now that are that are massive tell

00:17:35.920 tales about Purdue Pharma and their over

00:17:37.920 prescription is this is this

00:17:39.920 isn't the actual

00:17:40.700 it's not the actual book I was gonna read the

00:17:43.980 the what's it called

00:17:46.020 in the beginning the preface no the your thanks your thanks or the i can get your shout outs what

00:17:51.760 are they called acknowledgements acknowledgements yeah you gave the acknowledge acknowledgements to

00:17:55.680 everyone who you felt played a pivotal part in your life and then at the very end you said 0.96

00:18:00.520 to purdue pharma dot dot dot fuck you yeah you've been very outspoken about the opioid epidemic 0.99

00:18:09.500 I mean, imagine if there was one beer. 0.99

00:18:14.020 Imagine if there was one kind of cocaine that was everywhere.

00:18:21.280 It was just one brand. 1.00

00:18:23.500 One fucking brand did this. 1.00

00:18:26.580 One company, bro. 1.00

00:18:27.840 With all the thousands of other competitors, all the other thousands of pills on the market, one pill did this.

00:18:34.620 The holy grail of narcotics.

00:18:36.980 Oxycontin.

00:18:37.480 Oxycontin.

00:18:38.560 You trace back any opiate addiction story right now, and there's a ton, which is another

00:18:46.720 reason I almost didn't write this book. 0.99

00:18:48.800 The prevalence of this story is saturated as fuck right now. 0.79

00:18:52.560 Unfortunately for my competitors, they don't have millions of subscribers, and Best Friends 0.98

00:18:56.380 with Logan Paul, a great podcast.

00:18:58.820 But it all traces back to one place, Stanford, Connecticut.

00:19:04.040 How ironic. 0.94

00:19:05.280 The last city I fucking lived and worked in before I moved here. 0.98

00:19:08.960 Purdue Pharma. 0.99

00:19:10.220 I'm calling conspiracy.

00:19:11.600 Crazy.

00:19:12.840 He did it to himself for this. 0.91

00:19:14.540 The Sackler family, one of the most powerful families in the world, produced this magical,

00:19:21.560 they called it the miracle drug, the miracle pill.

00:19:25.300 It was OxyContin.

00:19:25.920 It was going to be the pill that solved all of the problems of the chronically ill.

00:19:29.880 You take this pill, it's got a time-release seal on it.

00:19:32.900 When you take it, the seal will allow the pill to be released at a pace.

00:19:40.180 So the person can take one pill and be good for two days.

00:19:42.140 Now, these are terminal cancer patients or chronically with acute pain.

00:19:49.580 Somehow, whether they knew it was going to happen or not, as soon as that pill hit the streets, people found out how to take the time release seal off of it.

00:19:55.040 I learned how to take the time release seal off an OxyContin when I was 17 years old in my friend's Mitsubishi in the passenger seat as he played Bone Thugs-N-Harmony.

00:20:04.540 I sucked an 80 milligram OxyContin seal off, which then rendered that time release completely useless and allowed you to obliterate the pill and turn it into prescribed heroin.

00:20:16.400 And at the time, prior to OxyContin, back things up 20 years to when your parents partied and my parents partied.

00:20:24.220 there was quaaludes we had we had wolf of wall street on the show yeah there was quaaludes there

00:20:28.420 was always uh different pills for mood boosting and this and that and there was percocet and there

00:20:33.080 was vicodin purdue pharma put 32 percocets behind a time release seal 32 so when you look at that

00:20:41.180 pill you say oh that's a pill i've had one of those i've had a i've had a percocet before i

00:20:44.840 could eat oxycontin and you just left your your your your first play as a as a freshman you're

00:20:53.000 freshman in high school and you go to a party and you played basketball

00:20:55.140 at night and your team won and somebody says yo this is like

00:20:57.100 a Percocet man take one of these

00:20:58.540 80 milligram oxy

00:21:00.240 chokes to death on his vomit in the backseat

00:21:03.240 of the car freshman high school 0.53

00:21:04.660 that story is

00:21:05.880 happened to our substitute

00:21:08.280 happened to our substitute

00:21:09.840 at high school

00:21:11.720 our generation

00:21:14.420 the generation right above us I think I've told you this

00:21:16.800 in our city

00:21:18.420 that was my that would have been me right

00:21:20.380 our high school was nicknamed heroin high

00:21:23.120 You guys had a real big problem with it.

00:21:25.200 It was a couple years before.

00:21:26.220 Just missed us.

00:21:27.880 But until I got to know you and you explained to me this problem,

00:21:35.720 I was not aware of how prevalent the opiate epidemic was.

00:21:40.100 Yeah.

00:21:40.540 Yeah, it's massive.

00:21:41.640 It's massive.

00:21:42.560 Mike, I've talked to you about this.

00:21:43.700 This is actually scary to say, but it happened to me.

00:21:47.560 I was 14, had kidney surgery, and started taking pills,

00:21:50.960 and then I wanted to take more.

00:21:52.300 And then I would get more, not, not seeking them, but they're a doctor prescribed.

00:21:56.500 Did you know that?

00:21:57.480 Did he ever tell you this? 1.00

00:21:58.460 He actually was, you did, you did, you're a heroin addict.

00:22:00.380 I'm not a heroin addict, but I, they prescribe heavy opioids and you, once you start taking

00:22:05.500 them, you just keep taking them because it makes you feel good.

00:22:07.780 I actually, um, I, I will, I will not take the pain meds after my surgeries.

00:22:12.460 They always give me Vicodin and I never, and I, cause I am too afraid to, uh, go down a

00:22:17.220 hole that I'm not, I have an addictive personality and I know, I know that is not a place I want

00:22:21.920 to be it's smart of you and noble and it brings up another conversation that um i've personally

00:22:29.480 wrestled with and every addict deals with on a daily basis which is the question of uh choice

00:22:35.420 versus disease massively argued point is addiction a disease currently the way that the medical

00:22:45.440 community states it is a chronic

00:22:47.560 treatable disease

00:22:49.400 but there are a lot

00:22:51.480 of people out there who say but whose choice

00:22:53.440 is it to try drugs in the first place

00:22:54.960 it's a

00:22:57.440 valid point it's at the

00:22:59.420 very least something that

00:23:01.220 I'm willing to argue or debate

00:23:02.820 whose choice is it to get sick

00:23:04.800 so the people who are first prescribed

00:23:07.140 that's the main argument like if you're

00:23:09.440 prescribed narcotics and you become addicted

00:23:11.540 to them it wasn't your choice

00:23:12.640 right so and and the the crazy people will say well i've had and not the same way you're saying 0.98

00:23:17.580 but i've had surgery and i didn't take pain pills so other people should fucking do that 0.82

00:23:21.400 like there's some blanket answer which there's not but there's always this ongoing debate 0.79

00:23:26.460 and the the biggest story that's that's in this lightly i wish i was i wish i talked about a

00:23:34.260 little bit more and the biggest story we need to talk about today is that there is a unbreakable

00:23:38.580 eternal bond between substance abuse and one other very important topic which is mental illness

00:23:45.120 the link between mental illness and drug abuse it is pretty much 100 percent one for one if you

00:23:55.520 find a drug addict you've probably found someone who suffers from some semi-immense level of mental

00:24:00.840 illness so to say that it's a choice for someone to take drugs for that first time you are

00:24:08.700 discounting or not taking into account the mental illness that may have pushed someone to try drugs

00:24:14.620 for the first time and and so listen there's a lot of people out there who luckily have the luxury 0.76

00:24:22.300 and this is another excerpt i wish i could pull up this book is fucking loaded with these points 0.56

00:24:26.820 in the in the afterthoughts i i wrote this piece that said to the person who has never suffered 0.83

00:24:33.240 something along the lines of may you understand the luxury and the privilege that you have been

00:24:40.260 awarded in this life may you also i pray that you also see the importance and the ability for

00:24:50.460 yourself to spread the light that you have been given to the people less fortunate and understand

00:24:56.080 and I've said this on the show

00:24:57.360 and is I think the most clipped part

00:24:59.380 that has ever happened

00:25:00.120 besides the Riley Reid deep throat.

00:25:02.680 But when I gave that speech on depression

00:25:04.680 on Evan's episode,

00:25:05.880 which is now the most viewed episode.

00:25:08.560 If you know someone out there

00:25:10.280 who's struggling with depression or anxiety

00:25:12.320 or drug abuse or self-mutilation,

00:25:16.660 I urge you to find a way

00:25:19.940 to add some sort of value

00:25:22.460 to that person's life.

00:25:23.440 and that usually comes through self-discovery patience

00:25:27.860 just trying just a little bit harder to be empathetic to what that person's going through

00:25:34.420 and it's not easy we talk about this all i'm gonna say it's it's it's fascinating how it

00:25:38.820 comes through self-discovery because for me patience the word to use is like the thing that i

00:25:44.400 i need to i need to get better at it should i be ever it probably won't happen again but in a

00:25:50.440 a scenario where

00:25:51.580 I could be helping

00:25:52.520 a friend out

00:25:53.100 or something

00:25:53.420 my light

00:25:54.180 my attempt to bring

00:25:55.920 the light to the world

00:25:56.800 is because I do feel

00:25:57.580 blessed in that

00:25:58.360 like

00:25:58.720 I wouldn't say

00:26:00.260 I suffer

00:26:00.780 right

00:26:01.580 inherently

00:26:02.160 and a lot of people do

00:26:03.120 my light is

00:26:04.560 my attempt to

00:26:05.560 do what I do

00:26:06.500 make content

00:26:07.020 and attempt to

00:26:07.740 get people

00:26:08.200 away from 0.99

00:26:09.640 whatever the fuck's 1.00

00:26:10.280 going on 0.99

00:26:10.560 which is great

00:26:10.940 which is huge

00:26:11.860 yeah

00:26:12.760 yeah

00:26:13.480 except I know

00:26:14.580 I can be better

00:26:15.560 with the people

00:26:16.360 around me

00:26:16.840 and it is coming

00:26:17.940 through self-discovery

00:26:19.060 with like

00:26:19.480 Like you said, patience is the biggest thing for me.

00:26:21.840 Delivery.

00:26:23.840 Empathy, which we've talked about before on the show.

00:26:28.060 It's super internalized.

00:26:31.380 The answers aren't floating here.

00:26:33.200 You've got to find them within yourself and then project that onto the people that you love and say you care about.

00:26:39.320 This is a deep topic.

00:26:40.660 Yeah, it's deep.

00:26:41.320 And it's tough to like, this show is supposed to be upbeat.

00:26:46.160 It's supposed to be exciting.

00:26:48.080 Especially you.

00:26:48.840 you're up before mike and and to be to be this guy like is um it really is a challenge for me

00:26:56.080 because i want to laugh i want to joke around but it's like it's like every time i i i make a joke

00:27:02.120 or every time like i talked about the last episode or the one that comes out after it's like every

00:27:05.500 time like i like cash a check for some like mean like meaningless thing that i do it's like i have

00:27:10.460 this little thing in the back of my mind that's like you what are you doing for the use of the 0.81

00:27:17.860 next generation what are you doing for the people that are are at rock fucking bottom right now

00:27:24.260 what are you doing to try to make those people feel better it's always in the back of my mind 0.57

00:27:28.060 do you know what i'm saying and that's this that's this that's this is what i hope is my

00:27:32.420 offering to those people that they can read this and that they could feel better did you have a

00:27:37.400 did you have a rock bottom moment and all is lost moment like truly what was what was the lowest

00:27:41.660 point in your life and is it in that book yeah there's there's a bunch of them um

00:27:46.080 the majority of them for me were centered around my mother um you you know my mom you know how

00:27:55.640 close i am to her yep and um you know like how important she is to me you know what i'm saying

00:28:02.840 and so the majority of my the majority of my uh of my lows and my rock bottoms were a result of

00:28:10.300 hurting my mom. You know what I'm saying? It's, uh, it's, uh, there, I don't know that there's a

00:28:19.020 pain in this world worse than hurting the person that made you. Do you know what I'm saying? Or

00:28:25.180 worse than hurting the person that gave their all to make you who you are and to, to, to keep you

00:28:30.900 alive as, as a child, you know? And, uh, um, and so the majority of my, my, my regrets and my pain

00:28:37.520 comes from that but but honestly i guess it's connected to but i've talked about this a little

00:28:42.240 bit but my my rock bottom my true rock bottom was in uh 2000 in in 2010 um i i started a new

00:28:52.740 drug because i was offered it in in my lowest you know non-thinking point of my life uh crack 0.87

00:28:58.980 cocaine and bro crazy like think about what i'm fucking saying to you right now bro like think 0.97

00:29:04.940 about what i'm saying to you like i was i was just a regular white connecticut kid and i and i put 0.99

00:29:10.960 white on it just because whether it's you know for whatever reason but crack cocaine is generally

00:29:15.020 thought to be an inner city drug right and so your suburbs mike i was just acknowledging your

00:29:21.200 privilege yeah i was a privileged kid bro a middle class community a middle class community and at

00:29:25.800 and at one point someone offered me crack cocaine and i i tried it and what what ensued was a was

00:29:33.560 the worst year of my life and ironically or sadly and unfortunately that time coincided with a

00:29:42.540 another massive struggle in my mother's life which was her starting to come to terms with

00:29:48.580 the fact that her father was about to die and my mom and my grandfather were that one of those

00:29:54.560 storied mom dad relationships my grandfather fought in okinawa survived world war ii survived

00:30:01.880 the great depression was a warrior and and provided against all odds for my family for my mom and her

00:30:08.860 brother she loved him so much and when she found out that he had parkinson's and dementia and he

00:30:16.740 was going to unfortunately die in a state that we talked about which has happened to your yeah

00:30:22.360 grandma it ruined her it it i could tell and i i write about that in the book it destroyed her

00:30:29.700 inside and she and it came to a point where she had nowhere else to turn she she didn't have

00:30:35.600 enough money to put him in a home they were going to repossess his house it just was an

00:30:39.460 unfortunate unfortunate circumstance and she said i think she just like dug within her and she was

00:30:46.280 like hey like can you can you go watch after pop-up like all you have to do is these three 0.98

00:30:51.180 things like every day just make sure he doesn't fucking leave the house kill himself like fall 0.97

00:30:55.700 down the stairs like he shouldn't be doing these things and and everything inside of me wanted to 0.99

00:30:59.160 be like yeah mom i could do that well maybe like six months to a year into it i had started this

00:31:06.320 new drug and there was a day when my grandfather was in his recliner he was downstairs and uh he

00:31:14.340 was he was just screaming like help me help me help me help me help me like he was he was stuck

00:31:20.760 in the chair he couldn't get up and he had to go to the bathroom he probably was like peeing and 0.77

00:31:24.220 shitting himself and was just in in the worst way that you could ever imagine and uh i was in the

00:31:29.380 attic uh smoking crack i was paranoid and i couldn't help my grandfather and uh 0.93

00:31:36.180 like honestly like that that moment will never be erased from my mind it's like i can do i can do

00:31:45.000 so much and like i could like try to help other people so much but like there will always be

00:31:52.700 those things that i can't get rid of you know what i'm saying like that are just there and so uh

00:31:58.620 that was definitely my that was definitely my lowest point for sure did you know it was a low

00:32:03.120 point then did you just keep going on doing what you were doing no i knew i knew i knew i was in

00:32:09.220 trouble i i think at that point um it's just wild to imagine but like for people that get into that

00:32:19.260 kind of place in their life, there comes a point where you, uh, there comes a point where you

00:32:24.440 accept the fact that you are, you're finished. You're messed up. No, no, no. You're done. It's

00:32:29.480 over. It's over. There was, there was a, I was, I was going to go out as Mike Malak, the heroin

00:32:36.540 addict. That was my, that was my, my life. I was 20, I was 25 years old and I was, I had accepted.

00:32:42.760 And so had my mother, my mother had accepted that fact. We weren't, we even, even when she had me

00:32:48.420 move into her father's house she was at peace with the fact that her son had was that was going

00:32:53.880 to die to this to this epidemic so it was open you your mom knew about this oh yeah once you

00:33:02.300 become that level and you get to that level there's no way to hide it my parents knew that

00:33:05.580 i was a drug addict when i was 20 years old when i was or even 19 years old they knew something

00:33:09.860 was going on was there open conversation about it or was it just swept under the rug

00:33:13.040 i was a i was a i was a psychopath i was a psychopath you couldn't like this this the

00:33:21.680 majority of this book is stories that you when when i first worked with my first partner on this

00:33:30.460 and and similar so a lot of people ask me like how did you write this book because i see another

00:33:35.380 author's name on it i wrote every part of this book word for word every single piece of it there's

00:33:41.940 not a piece that was written for me what i needed someone to come in and do was organize strategize

00:33:47.680 where is this going to go how is this going to work when i brought the first one in and he started

00:33:53.020 reading it he kept marking sections of the book and saying you can't say this because it makes it

00:34:00.480 seem like people want you it makes it seem like you want people to believe it really happened 0.89

00:34:04.260 oh and i go no no no no that that fucking happened bro there's either proof of it there's a cop that 0.99

00:34:13.300 has a report of it like the stories in this book are so fucked up are so fucked up bro that there's 0.99

00:34:21.760 the majority of people probably will be like yo there's no way this could have fucking happened 0.99

00:34:25.520 wow like like the amount of times i've seen the inside of my body it's horrifying the amount of 0.96

00:34:32.560 times i've seen bones fucking shattered like i've woken up in pools of blood with my foot here 0.75

00:34:39.480 my left foot here right here dude next to my head i love this story he tells it usually it's funny 0.88

00:34:45.900 or not so serious that was the skiing yeah when you say you saw your foot next to your head next

00:34:50.140 to my head within a half an inch and blood all around me i looked i opened my eyes and there

00:34:54.000 were people that was when i had my first lexicon because of that accident there were people staring

00:34:57.860 all around me looking down at me and i got and i got i got dragged down the hill on i try to laugh 0.98

00:35:03.840 about the shit now it's fucking ridiculous but um i got dragged down the hill on a snowmobile 0.95

00:35:08.040 and had to go in for surgery and i remember uh my mom was on the phone i was four hours away from 0.99

00:35:14.640 home everyone else had left for the day because they were like yo we have to get on this bus back

00:35:17.840 to connecticut we're in killington in vermont skiing my mom's like all i remember was this

00:35:23.920 little flash of my mom like crying and the next time i woke up and i was in traction my foot was

00:35:29.940 attached to the ceiling because they had to separate the femur far enough to stick a titanium

00:35:34.480 rod into my femur and then screw it at my hip and my knee that was that was i should have died i

00:35:40.520 should have died from the splenectomy a year earlier when i ruptured my spleen and they had 0.98

00:35:43.820 to go in and cut my entire stomach open and remove one of my vital organs like this story's fucked 0.98

00:35:50.300 and that's why I knew I had to write it 0.99

00:35:52.620 that's why I knew I had to tell it

00:35:54.160 I was like yo

00:35:54.740 what about the one where

00:35:58.860 your leg got caught in a pothole

00:36:00.900 yeah that was 2008

00:36:02.880 and by the way worst injury

00:36:04.620 even though it was not the most life threatening

00:36:06.480 I'll just tell the story

00:36:07.860 the whole story quickly

00:36:09.200 this is at a time when I'm selling

00:36:12.340 a lot of heroin

00:36:13.160 it's got to a point where

00:36:16.060 can you get in trouble for saying this now

00:36:18.440 now i believe i believe we're past statute of limitations jed you can go ahead and fact check 0.98

00:36:22.740 me on that but it's all in the book so okay fucking come grab me dude because it ain't today 0.98

00:36:27.080 it's tomorrow all right it's all in the fucking book but i um i i was doing everything i did to 0.98

00:36:32.320 support my own addiction i had it was it was how i was going to do it and i was so i was the worst 0.97

00:36:37.260 possible thing i was making other people's lives miserable at the time i thought i was a doctor

00:36:42.340 sick people would come to me i would make them not sick it was i felt great about it obviously now i

00:36:47.620 see the the harm in my ways yeah but moreover i was i was hell i was trying to take care of my

00:36:52.920 desperate self like how am i going to get drugs today was always the question that's the same

00:36:56.480 question imagine asking yourself that same question every day it's the only question you

00:36:58.860 ever ask yourself so i go to meet this kid me and this kid had beef he was he was a dealer in the

00:37:03.800 same city as me he and there's always this crib you know hopefully a lot of people don't know what

00:37:09.080 this is about but there's a lot of beef between connects in each city you don't want other people

00:37:13.860 touching your customer base you don't want other people touching your plug you want to have the

00:37:18.540 everything it's it's all you want it all to be yours this kid couldn't get drugs that day he

00:37:23.920 was dry he had a lot of customers that he wanted to serve it was memorial day 2008 it's in west

00:37:27.980 haven connecticut i don't really okay i leave i go to the house i meet me i pull up brand new

00:37:35.380 infinity g35 that i didn't pay for it was i partially paid for my grandmother helped me

00:37:41.080 she was my semi-enabler of the group she took care of me at all costs i pull up and i go to

00:37:47.800 sell this kid drugs and he's like come on just give it to me and i was like bro give me the 1.00

00:37:51.500 fucking money you know how this works i'm not giving you shit until you give me the fucking 0.99

00:37:54.580 money and he's like no no i want to run inside and put it on the scale i was like yo give me 1.00

00:37:58.720 the fucking money or i'm leaving you know how this goes down and he goes you think i have to 0.99

00:38:02.700 fucking beat you and he pulls out a wad of cash starts counting he's got a big gold chain on a 1.00

00:38:06.560 wife beater classic like street shit right red solo cup and i'm like whatever fuck it bro i have 1.00

00:38:14.760 my boys with me he was by himself so i put it in his hand he goes you're fucking beat 0.99

00:38:18.620 fucking do something about it and he walks out i can't i can't tell you the amount of times i 0.98

00:38:25.600 i went above and beyond when somebody tried to beat me are not in this book i've jumped on the 0.99

00:38:30.480 hood of moving cars and been driven down the street at six you don't fucking beat me bro i 0.68

00:38:36.140 Yo, there is one story where kids try to do it, and I jumped on the side of the car, and they sped away and jerked the wheel, and I flew off into the street. 0.92

00:38:43.380 I lost skin down my whole body.

00:38:45.380 I don't want to get beat. 1.00

00:38:47.580 When you get beat in the drug game, you're a fucking bitch, bro. 1.00

00:38:50.220 What do you mean to get beat? 1.00

00:38:51.040 Like, you don't want to get your product stolen.

00:38:52.940 Okay, okay. 0.88

00:38:53.720 So he's, I was a psycho, bro.

00:38:56.060 You know what I'm saying, man. 1.00

00:38:57.080 So he's like, fuck you, you're fucking beat. 1.00

00:38:59.720 Bro, the second he turned around, my door was already open, and I was on the way behind him. 1.00

00:39:04.060 so he starts moving quick and i'm walking up behind him and i go to to literally go throw a

00:39:10.700 punch at the back of his head and i step into like a little hole in the driveway it's like it's but

00:39:15.660 there's like an overhang of cement so my foot kind of locks in there and his boy that i didn't know 0.99

00:39:21.340 was on the side of the house waiting for all this to go down comes and fucking drills me from the 0.97

00:39:26.640 side i mean absolutely fucking drills me and i just hear and so then the shock sets in because 0.99

00:39:34.880 i've been through this scenario 15 000 times with shit that shouldn't be happening happening 0.98

00:39:39.340 so you go into military mode so i start to assess it now and by the way now i'm on the ground 0.93

00:39:44.160 my first thing i look down i see my foot is 180 completely hanging off sideways skin broken bone

00:39:50.360 piercing the skin compound fracture horrifying now i look up and there's fists coming at my

00:39:56.280 Fist, fist, fist, fist over and over. 0.99

00:39:58.940 So I'm just getting fucked up. 0.99

00:40:00.260 My leg's hanging off. 0.99

00:40:01.760 The neighbors are outside.

00:40:03.180 There's heroin on the ground.

00:40:04.380 There's cash all over the place.

00:40:06.000 My boys get out of the car,

00:40:07.320 out of the backseat of the Infiniti, 0.99

00:40:08.540 run over and they beat the fuck out of the two kids. 0.73

00:40:11.500 My boy, I'm not gonna even say their names. 0.98

00:40:13.780 One of them chokes them out.

00:40:15.240 We get the product back.

00:40:16.340 I GI Joe crawl back to my passenger seat

00:40:19.620 and pull myself into the car 0.98

00:40:21.500 and we fucking speed off, okay? 0.98

00:40:24.080 So now we're in West Haven. 0.98

00:40:25.720 and we're speeding down the street.

00:40:26.840 I also had, for some reason,

00:40:28.220 brought a shit ton of product with me to the deal. 0.99

00:40:30.440 So I had a whole bunch of shit on me. 0.99

00:40:31.780 We had to go stop and drop it back off 0.99

00:40:33.140 in my boy's socks drawer,

00:40:33.940 so we stopped there.

00:40:34.880 Now, keep in mind,

00:40:36.620 this is, the majority of people are like,

00:40:38.400 yo, ambulance, get to the hospital.

00:40:41.860 I have to go drop drugs off first.

00:40:43.940 I don't have, I can't,

00:40:44.600 I can't go to the hospital.

00:40:46.040 I can't risk it. 1.00

00:40:47.040 So we go, we drop the shit off. 0.99

00:40:48.760 We drop everything in the house 0.98

00:40:50.320 and he's driving 0.99

00:40:52.580 and every time he fucking, 0.99

00:40:54.240 he doesn't drive stick. 0.99

00:40:55.220 so every time he puts it in second

00:40:56.560 my foot

00:40:57.400 bad

00:40:58.940 you don't know how to operate the clutch

00:41:01.380 rookie mistake

00:41:02.840 so we get to the I-95

00:41:06.000 which is an infamous part of my story

00:41:08.580 and everybody on the east coast

00:41:09.540 I-95 knows what I'm talking about

00:41:11.860 we get on the I-95

00:41:12.720 we go to the ramp

00:41:13.900 and we're about to go to Milford Hospital

00:41:15.080 we're going to drive from West Haven to Milford

00:41:16.480 we get to the ramp

00:41:18.380 I see the light

00:41:19.520 I'm like we're home free 0.99

00:41:20.700 every single fucking 1.00

00:41:25.200 ordinance at the same time major crimes unit narcotics team the dogs every fucking buddy 0.99

00:41:33.640 uniform cop undercover detectives everybody converges on us at the same time as we're 0.97

00:41:39.040 about to turn on the ramp middle of the road they're directing cars around us

00:41:43.860 i'm sitting there like this with my hands in the air my foot hanging off of my body my other boys

00:41:50.640 are already face down in the middle of the street handcuffed with a 20 year old cop with that 1.00

00:41:54.840 fucking gun get the fuck out of the fucking car screaming now i'm sitting there like a child at 1.00

00:42:01.880 this point at slow-mo you know that you you know that like i you can ideate ideate that feeling 1.00

00:42:07.920 right slow-mo officer i can't look in my leg i don't give a fuck if you have a leg get out of 0.99

00:42:17.160 the fucking car so i have to then with my arm pull myself and throw myself onto the concrete 0.99

00:42:25.560 where i stayed for two hours as they searched my car for guns because the neighbors who called 1.00

00:42:33.700 the cops said that there was an armed robbery with handguns they propped my foot up on my golf bag

00:42:40.660 with my golf clubs in it

00:42:43.080 that I probably was playing golf

00:42:46.660 with my dad the weekend earlier

00:42:48.200 in some trying to have a normal life,

00:42:51.000 some semblance of a normal life.

00:42:53.160 And I sat there and they searched the car.

00:42:55.100 Luckily, they didn't find anything

00:42:56.200 because they found a couple empty bags.

00:42:57.800 It wasn't a big deal.

00:42:58.900 But then they brought me to the hospital

00:43:00.080 and that was just another...

00:43:03.360 Oh yeah, side note, 0.99

00:43:04.820 they threw fucking two plates, 0.99

00:43:07.620 20 screws into my ankle. 0.99

00:43:09.040 yeah and that and that injury even with the splenectomy the hernia the fractured skull

00:43:18.040 all the concussions all the car accidents that day in 2008 and that injury has the biggest effect

00:43:24.840 on my life that the you'll probably show pictures of this but after i got clean i was 300 pounds

00:43:31.740 that's funny you say i have it right pulled up there's the ankle right there yep

00:43:36.760 this was

00:43:38.700 drug Mike

00:43:41.020 I'm so glad I don't know this person

00:43:43.720 the car above it is that

00:43:45.940 G35

00:43:46.480 why is it like this Mike

00:43:48.240 why is there a tree in the engine Mike

00:43:50.440 because a couple months after that drove it off a cliff

00:43:52.600 Jesus Christ

00:43:53.800 off a cliff 0.88

00:43:54.600 okay so here's what I'm saying

00:43:57.200 you're my boy

00:43:58.780 I've heard hundreds of these stories

00:44:02.160 they're just one after the other

00:44:04.440 which is insane

00:44:06.160 And one part of that story that the audience may have missed is that before the cops pulled

00:44:12.220 you over, you said you dropped off the product and you had a lot of it.

00:44:15.360 If you had not have dropped off the product, how many years in jail would you have been

00:44:19.980 serving?

00:44:20.480 That was probably the second or third most product I've ever had on me for a stop.

00:44:25.700 Because there was one time where that's also in the story where I had, for anybody who

00:44:29.900 hustles, I had 35 bundles on me, which is about 350 bags of heroin.

00:44:33.500 and uh i was already on a five-year suspended sentence in the state of connecticut meaning

00:44:38.940 a jaywalking ticket or a jaywalking misdemeanor or any kind of misdemeanor i would have gone and

00:44:43.440 done 50 to 80 percent of my five-year term without a charge without a new charge i probably

00:44:49.480 based on like that amount or like even a few grams of heroin probably would have got like

00:44:53.980 10 10 plus years i refer to mike as the walking miracle because the amount of times he should

00:45:02.620 have died or gone to prison it is absolutely insane it's unlike any story i've seen in in

00:45:10.420 in movies which is why i think this will be a phenomenal movie and i and i want to play you

00:45:16.140 i'll get up to 300 for sure but yeah dude like three this is why he's called hey big mike by

00:45:25.280 the way because i asked him i was like hey why is your instagram handle big mike like you're not

00:45:29.280 that big right he goes oh you don't know

00:45:31.380 that used to be 300 pounds

00:45:33.440 and it's so funny because

00:45:35.400 like every one

00:45:37.560 of those little like tenants and those little

00:45:39.320 stories I 0.86

00:45:41.000 want to talk to that sufferer

00:45:43.540 about it because like think about it

00:45:45.460 there are people who put out entire books about weight 0.99

00:45:47.460 loss I did that whole fucking 0.99

00:45:49.200 I did that whole fucking thing 0.98

00:45:51.260 went through the same thing but that's just 0.98

00:45:53.180 one little part of it people

00:45:55.360 want to do mental illness you've 0.98

00:45:57.300 seen me sweat you've seen me sweat you know i wake up with fucking bone chilling anxiety every 0.99

00:46:02.280 single day and deal with depression all that shit every single day and i got coping mechanisms and 1.00

00:46:06.740 i could tell that story i do that story the drug addiction the divorce parents beating the fuck 0.95

00:46:11.760 out of each other like i've had all of that happen and so i tried to put a little bit of all of it

00:46:17.600 and most importantly the action steps into this book yeah so that's what i wanted to talk about 0.73

00:46:21.500 next because we could i really could literally go so far down the rabbit hole of like fucked up 0.94

00:46:26.600 shit that's happened in your past but the the important thing and this is maybe why even we're 0.98

00:46:30.600 such good friends is is the comeback the bounce back the redemption yeah is the word you like 0.90

00:46:35.200 redemption it's my favorite word in the entire world why it might be the only it might be the

00:46:38.880 only tattoo that i ever get it's the most important word to me i oh i have been obsessed with that

00:46:44.320 word since since the 2000s when i listen logan paul gave me a platform lana roads has given me 0.96

00:46:54.000 a ton more views i've had it whatever you want to call it since the day i was fucking born dude 0.85

00:47:01.500 whatever you want to say it is i was in the gifted program from fourth grade until high school 0.98

00:47:06.300 yo your son has an aptitude that is way above fucking average well you know what's so funny 0.88

00:47:11.640 you sent us the group chat the one the report card from like when he was six years old and 0.98

00:47:17.020 the comment was that the teacher left was like very smart kid uh tends to talk out of out of

00:47:22.900 place i was like i was like nothing's changed since the day i was born but yeah i always knew

00:47:29.380 i had it but but the the biggest story there is no matter how smart you are no matter how

00:47:36.740 well trained or how well versed you are in this life your card could get pulled at any time at 0.78

00:47:46.240 any fucking time you are not invincible and i wasn't and i wasn't i fell victim slightly whether 0.94

00:47:52.080 you want to call it choice you want to call it disease whatever you want to call it i fell into 0.98

00:47:56.680 a hole a bet and mine was bad it was bad as you could tell you know what i'm saying and so i i

00:48:02.720 think the biggest thing that comes out of that that choice uh choice versus disease story that

00:48:08.580 i told earlier whether you think the addict down the street from you or that lives in your house

00:48:13.860 or your family member or whatever chose to do it or it was the addiction that did it to them

00:48:18.840 my question is this

00:48:20.400 does it matter

00:48:22.900 does it matter what the reason was

00:48:25.860 the biggest most important thing

00:48:27.940 is these are people

00:48:28.720 I was a person

00:48:30.020 I didn't believe it anymore

00:48:31.900 I was nothing

00:48:34.660 I was primed and ready for a casket 1.00

00:48:37.240 that was my fucking destiny 1.00

00:48:38.880 was to die a heroin addict 1.00

00:48:41.180 but because people said 0.98

00:48:43.800 yo you have something in you

00:48:45.760 my mom said 0.99

00:48:47.240 I still fucking love you as hard as hard as it was for her to say that those are the things 0.98

00:48:54.180 that got me through and the most painful thing for me always is imagining the lonely addicts 0.98

00:49:01.320 out there imagining the Vietnam vets imagining the the the Iraq Iraqi freedom vets that are 0.94

00:49:08.120 living under fucking bridges in this country right now addicted to drugs with no one with 0.97

00:49:15.300 no one to put a hand on their shoulder and say, yo, it's going to be good. Keep putting your foot 1.00

00:49:19.820 in front of the other, one in front of the other, keep going, keep pushing forward.

00:49:24.580 That's the entire story of this book. The very first page, the, the, the, the dedication,

00:49:31.700 whatever you want to call it for this book is this book is dedicated to those who struggle.

00:49:39.300 do not let your light go out that is my that is the message of this book my light got so dim 0.94

00:49:47.840 to a point where it was just a few people left holding this match at the end of a fucking 500 0.82

00:49:53.920 mile tunnel that i knew i was i thought and i knew i would never make it to the end of 0.97

00:49:59.440 but i but still nonetheless that little fucking light dude was the only thing that kept me going 0.83

00:50:06.620 was the only thing that kept me going and if that light goes out it's over so you have to find what 0.94

00:50:12.140 that light is for you have to find what is that one thing that will keep you going when everything

00:50:17.700 else fails what was it for you for me it was for me it was my mom a hundred percent it was also my

00:50:26.980 addiction to to what i've told you guys which is uh which is my addiction to legacy and wanting to

00:50:31.740 leave something on this planet before i die that stayed with me through my entire addiction no

00:50:35.460 matter how bad it got and luckily i don't want to i don't know if i want to give this away

00:50:40.980 actually there was one there was one thing that happened at my worst moment that's that quite

00:50:46.840 literally saved my life and and and was once again it's another moment of of somebody pulling your

00:50:52.420 card like it's like it's like it's so funny in this world that everybody has some level of like

00:50:57.700 no matter where they are they get like some level of ego where they're like you know like they have

00:51:03.220 that feeling of invincibility

00:51:04.400 and then just

00:51:05.260 Joe just knowing

00:51:06.440 that someone can

00:51:07.100 quite literally

00:51:07.620 pull the floor out

00:51:08.240 Is this the thing

00:51:09.040 that I

00:51:09.600 that

00:51:10.200 is this the pivot point

00:51:11.600 yeah I think you know

00:51:13.160 it was something

00:51:13.860 a person did

00:51:14.680 yes

00:51:15.000 this moment's fascinating

00:51:16.580 for me

00:51:16.980 I was gonna ask you about it

00:51:18.160 should we just talk

00:51:18.300 if we can do it

00:51:19.140 no no

00:51:19.560 I don't wanna save it

00:51:20.220 but it's

00:51:21.040 why it's fascinating

00:51:22.480 for me is

00:51:23.020 is because

00:51:23.780 of how

00:51:25.880 how

00:51:26.240 how

00:51:26.660 how quickly

00:51:27.580 all of it changed

00:51:28.480 it makes no sense

00:51:30.140 to me

00:51:30.580 but I wanna save it

00:51:32.180 for the book

00:51:32.880 Gotcha.

00:51:33.640 Can I read an excerpt that you provided me with that I think fits well here?

00:51:36.800 Sure.

00:51:37.520 I tell myself every day, you will not give up in the face of adversity.

00:51:41.340 You will look every obstacle, every hurdle, every demon in its face. 1.00

00:51:44.540 You will lower your shoulders and drive through that motherfucker without hesitation or regret. 0.99

00:51:48.540 I believe that's what separates those who make it from those who don't. 0.99

00:51:51.140 This is the mentality that got me through the most horrific, life-draining days of my addiction.

00:51:55.260 And it is the same mentality that pushes me through every single moment I face today in my new career in this new L.A.

00:51:59.680 i tell myself that if i'm able to let this mentality seep into every cell of my body

00:52:03.880 i can never lose and this goes for anyone and everyone that i know for sure

00:52:08.440 okay don't take this personally yeah i love when you say that in my mind yeah i don't i don't

00:52:16.640 picture you as like a fighter like physically right you know yeah like uh or a competitor 0.89

00:52:22.520 right but what you're describing here is a warrior fucking mentality yeah so for people who are like 1.00

00:52:29.140 me bro uh strip me down primal i'm gonna beat the fucking shit out of you bro like when i was dying 1.00

00:52:34.740 on the bathroom floor because the hot shit mac used the word fight and i was like i was i was 1.00

00:52:38.740 dying i was like oh you fuck you i'm gonna fuck fuck fuck so where do you how can you be the 1.00

00:52:44.220 warrior when again don't take this personally like you you you aren't a inherent physical warrior 1.00

00:52:51.580 yeah the warrior manifests itself in so many ways in so many ways i mean it's it's it's never it's

00:52:57.720 You know, just the alpha fighter, that's just one physical aspect of the warrior.

00:53:04.400 The warrior is the biggest thing.

00:53:08.640 The biggest thing and attribute of the warrior has nothing to do with how they look, the style of their fight. 0.71

00:53:17.520 It's the fact that no matter what fucking happens, they will not give up. 0.98

00:53:22.600 Bro, I have been to a point where there were two of you pummeling me in the fucking head while I was completely done on the ground. 0.99

00:53:34.100 And everything in me kept fucking clawing, grab legs, punch, block, throw. 0.99

00:53:39.940 I will not fucking go down to a human, to substance, to anything, bro. 0.99

00:53:47.060 I will fucking fight. 0.99

00:53:48.380 It's not that I won't go down, but I will do everything in my power not to. 0.99

00:53:51.520 and now that's now that manifests itself in yo you're going on mtv tomorrow and you have anxiety

00:53:59.820 and you have to sit in front of 400 people and as you walk through that curtain into that audience 0.89

00:54:04.320 onto that stage you know you are going to break down you fucking know it i knew it i knew it 100 0.86

00:54:11.480 without a shadow of a doubt that i was going to break down the question then becomes will you keep 0.99

00:54:17.920 going afterwards will you stay in the fucking game or will you run away i wrote it in this 0.98

00:54:25.320 fucking book chapter two what episode one impulsive nerves going crazy easiest thing to do 1.00

00:54:34.440 yo logan i have a mental illness i have a problem i can't do this show with you 0.99

00:54:38.400 i didn't do that i sat here and i fucking dealt with it dude and i faced down my problem and i 0.99

00:54:45.340 was victorious over it it wasn't pretty but it gets better every fucking day every day you step 0.99

00:54:50.680 face to face with your fucking demons and you say yo you will not take me down i will fucking beat 1.00

00:54:56.140 you is a day closer to being free of those fucking demons bro honest honest answer how much of that 1.00

00:55:03.660 would you attribute to pride that's a fucking great question that's a great question because 0.99

00:55:09.100 i've seen because i've seen it come from the place you're describing and i've also seen it 0.98

00:55:13.540 come from a place of pride that isn't always the smartest i mean you're human we are we're all like

00:55:19.360 this but when you're getting beat up by two dudes i picture you like i know you i could be wrong but

00:55:24.580 i picture you like still cussing at that like motor mouth mike like that was me 0.88

00:55:29.220 i did that exact speech you just said with a loaded handgun in my mouth 1.00

00:55:38.220 up to my fucking teeth 1.00

00:55:40.540 in Bridgeport, Connecticut. 1.00

00:55:41.580 What are you talking about, Mike?

00:55:43.680 What are you talking about?

00:55:44.760 Chapter one.

00:55:45.540 No, wait, actually, no,

00:55:46.500 it might be further. 0.96

00:55:47.320 We own a shit ton. 0.76

00:55:51.280 Okay, actually, 0.96

00:55:52.180 let me rephrase that

00:55:54.220 because the staring down a barrel thing

00:55:56.360 has happened to me a lot of times.

00:55:59.120 And I don't want to sound too tough here

00:56:01.520 because I've, because...

00:56:03.480 Because you're a simp now. 0.55

00:56:04.780 No. 0.91

00:56:06.040 Here's why.

00:56:07.120 Here's why.

00:56:08.220 There was probably just less than 10 times that happened.

00:56:12.340 That's less than 10 times too many guys.

00:56:16.100 Five of those were white friends of mine or,

00:56:24.080 or kids that I sold to that.

00:56:26.960 I said slightly out of pride,

00:56:29.820 slightly out of ego,

00:56:30.560 slightly out of not caring about my life at that time.

00:56:34.740 It was always give me everything you have. 1.00

00:56:37.260 give me the oxys give me the money in milford my answer was fuck you pussy pull the fucking trigger 1.00

00:56:44.260 every fucking time when i got to the big leagues and i was in bridgeport and it was i'm not saying 1.00

00:56:51.780 names on this one names have been changing the book you owe ten thousand dollars to our organization 0.98

00:56:57.720 that now i'm actually watching him say this guy say this to my plug you owe ten thousand dollars 0.99

00:57:03.860 to our organization if we don't have it by next week we are going to kill everyone in this fucking 0.98

00:57:08.280 house week later we don't have the money because we had picked up from other connects burnt like 0.99

00:57:13.940 it was this was during a very desperate time same guy comes in black this is the thing people see 0.95

00:57:21.460 movies people watch this shit happen in music videos seeing in real life is a vastly different 0.97

00:57:26.360 situation i've talked to you about about uh armchair generals before yes when you see that 0.98

00:57:33.040 guy who you know has bodies, bro. I knew that this, this dude was the baddest man I'd ever

00:57:38.020 fucking met. He was a bulldog sent by people to make sure they were paid. When he rolled 0.99

00:57:44.020 in this one day, black hoodie, black hat, black mechanical mechanics, gloves, black jeans

00:57:51.360 and black boots with a hand that did not leave his hoodie pocket. I knew we were in fucking 0.99

00:57:57.420 trouble walks through the back door he had just given us the the warning exactly a week earlier 0.99

00:58:05.300 where's the fucking money the second my connect said we're working on it pistol to the face so 0.99

00:58:11.600 fucking hard blood splattered on the fucking wall on the wall in front of me dude falls to the ground 1.00

00:58:17.960 and he pummeled his fucking face with a nine millimeter for for minutes until i finally stood 1.00

00:58:24.360 up and said yo please stop beating him you're gonna fucking kill him right now you're gonna 1.00

00:58:29.520 kill him in front of me on the floor there's two girls with me i was we were sitting on his bed in 0.99

00:58:33.080 a fucking trap house basement bridgeport connecticut and i walked up and i said please i put 1.00

00:58:37.880 my hands together like this and he put the gun in my fucking face and every other time i had said 1.00

00:58:45.100 fuck you pussy pull the trigger was going out the fucking window and i said nothing and i stood there 1.00

00:58:51.020 like this and that is how a lot of people have gone out standing there silently as someone decides 1.00

00:58:56.560 their fate and and honestly like shit like if i had we had guns we had guns but it's like dude 0.97

00:59:04.800 that that situation of like yo are you really about to start a fucking war right now is a big 0.98

00:59:11.000 deal this wasn't an intruder this was someone who was coming representing an organization of people 0.94

00:59:15.100 who it would have turned into a bloodbath for everyone and within that happened things continue

00:59:21.180 to deteriorate i stopped going about two months later the dea raided that facility his other plugs

00:59:27.600 facility the restaurant they bought with drug money he did nine and a half years in a federal

00:59:32.660 penitentiary your plug or the pistol pistol whipper i don't believe was ever found to be to

00:59:37.600 got in trouble for him i'm sure he did after that but you know it's crazy how i've heard these

00:59:43.180 stories before and when you tell them

00:59:45.180 and by the way, you're doing a great job. This is

00:59:47.160 probably some of the best renditions I've heard. I'm fired up.

00:59:49.340 No, yeah, you're killing it, bro. Oh, really quick.

00:59:51.280 You know what they called me? I got a pass

00:59:52.720 for a little while in Bridgeport, at least. I was

00:59:55.040 White Mike. That was me. I was White Mike.

00:59:57.020 Yo, White Mike, what's good? Why don't you hate White Mike? 0.99

00:59:59.520 I should. I could have. I think it was

01:00:01.000 Big Mike was better. But I got, because there's a lot

01:00:03.120 of people watching this, bro. This is another

01:00:04.940 huge thing. There's a lot of people watching this. They're like,

01:00:07.380 this simp? This guy?

01:00:08.900 No, that's what I'm saying. This fucking kid? 1.00

01:00:11.460 No, that's what I'm saying. There's a lot 1.00

01:00:13.100 to mike there's a lot to mike's past that you'll hear him say like yo i used to be addicted to

01:00:18.020 drugs and drugs and you don't know the weight that that sentence holds and you're you're funny

01:00:22.100 you're funny you're the funny guy right so it's hard to believe that these things happened

01:00:24.740 and it's all and it's all 100 accurate like it's all 100 accurate it's all really happened there's

01:00:30.160 some account of every piece of it and also like it didn't always go that way like i i it's crazy

01:00:36.140 to imagine i always wanted to talk to you about fighting but dude i did the street i did a ton 0.77

01:00:40.240 of fucking fighting i did a ton of fucking fighting and i lost some and i won some yeah 0.88

01:00:44.540 there was a i believe you i just like only know the mic that can't go above like say five thousand 0.99

01:00:51.880 six thousand feet elevation it's the ankle walks it's the ankle i'm telling you you take care of

01:00:57.380 this if i take care of this ankle which i will do i have to get what's called fusion this is an

01:01:01.920 exciting another exciting semi-story fusion they will go into my ankle they will remove my plates

01:01:08.740 and my screws from my ankle.

01:01:11.260 But while they're there,

01:01:12.300 they'll also remove my ankle joint completely.

01:01:15.020 They'll take it out of my leg completely.

01:01:17.300 And they will then fuse my leg bone

01:01:20.580 to my foot bone

01:01:22.360 in what looks like a right angle. 0.98

01:01:25.060 How the fuck is that going to make it better? 0.98

01:01:27.340 Because the pain that exists in it, 0.98

01:01:29.880 which is the reason why I limp or hobble

01:01:31.160 or whatever you want to call it,

01:01:32.060 is the arthritis that exists above and below the joint.

01:01:35.600 There is zero cartilage.

01:01:36.720 there's zero cartilage left in my ankle

01:01:38.860 and so when my bone

01:01:40.060 Danny, show Danny really quick

01:01:42.500 what do you want me to do?

01:01:45.620 She wants me to cut it off 1.00

01:01:46.980 she wants me to cut my entire foot off 1.00

01:01:49.780 and put a 0.83

01:01:50.380 prosthetic

01:01:52.380 that's like futuristic

01:01:54.520 that's pretty futuristic

01:01:56.120 I'll get there bro

01:01:59.700 so that's future Mike

01:02:01.020 what about present day Mike?

01:02:02.320 I got some questions for present day Mike

01:02:03.700 how has writing all of your

01:02:06.580 you've talked about battling your demons how has writing out all of your um past horrors and

01:02:13.620 insurrections and all these things fixed not fixed but affected your mental state today

01:02:18.340 um well from a macro angle it helped immensely because i've always told you that i cared so much

01:02:26.900 about my story and making sure that it was told and and and i cared about that until i cared about

01:02:32.940 it a little bit or a decent amount until i started to get the feedback from people once i started to

01:02:37.800 see that it was resonating with people and people actually were taking this story seriously and

01:02:42.440 being like yo like this this story changed my life like once you hear that there's no going

01:02:47.600 back from that there's no okay actually i don't want to tell this story i don't want people to 0.95

01:02:50.700 know that i did heroin i don't want people to know that i fucking did these things to my mom or my 0.96

01:02:55.360 grandfather once like once a fucking 17 year old kid tells me that i stopped make he stopped doing 0.99

01:03:02.140 pills because of this or stops whatever it's over for me bro that's that's how i'm built 0.98

01:03:08.000 out now this this right here this book and this new light lane of life for me is the payback

01:03:16.020 this is how i make things right this is how i make things right and i probably still can't ever

01:03:22.020 and i'll still have regrets and i'll still have sorrow and i'll still feel terrible about the 1.00

01:03:26.140 fucking things that i did when i was younger and desperate and stupid and fucking 0.99

01:03:29.820 wild but this is this is it this is how i get this is how i help this is how i take 1.00

01:03:37.840 my the opportunity that i've been given through the million fucking micro calculations that i've 0.81

01:03:42.740 made since i got clean and give that back and make it better i have a question yeah do i have 0.99

01:03:50.460 to take it personal no okay actually yeah maybe why the fuck did sean from love sack 0.98

01:03:58.480 hire a guy 0.99

01:04:00.040 who just got off

01:04:00.580 a 10 year bender

01:04:01.400 on drugs

01:04:02.080 Sean Nelson

01:04:03.600 from lovesack 1.00

01:04:04.500 what a fucking guy 1.00

01:04:06.000 dude 1.00

01:04:06.360 cause like

01:04:07.640 I think

01:04:08.660 you know

01:04:08.960 I go

01:04:09.700 people ask me

01:04:11.060 like yo

01:04:11.300 what about Mike

01:04:11.940 I was like

01:04:12.460 I love the kid

01:04:13.740 saw something special

01:04:14.360 in him

01:04:14.600 then he like

01:04:15.040 I gave him

01:04:15.640 the tools

01:04:16.880 he built the house

01:04:17.680 but Sean's risk

01:04:20.940 was a lot higher

01:04:22.260 cause you weren't even

01:04:23.220 like

01:04:23.620 a promising young lad

01:04:26.000 at that point

01:04:26.540 you were

01:04:26.820 dog walker

01:04:27.780 dog walker

01:04:28.460 dog walker this is the thing this is this is the main part of the story this is the main part of

01:04:34.100 the story that was not that long ago you can do this if you're watching this and you're and you're

01:04:41.620 like yo if i get clean tomorrow mike i'm just at zero again i'm just at the same level as everybody

01:04:47.140 else actually i'm still negative because when i got clean and i walked out of rehab i walked out 0.79

01:04:51.860 of rehab with a 400 credit score up to my eyes and fucking dead because all i had was a computer 0.94

01:04:57.600 that I would pawn, un-pawn, pawn, un-pawn. 0.99

01:04:59.780 At that point, it was so bad.

01:05:01.420 See, I didn't know this.

01:05:02.540 I didn't know this,

01:05:03.440 and this is why you are so worried about saving money.

01:05:07.140 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:08.040 Please, I don't want to end up in a place

01:05:09.420 where I need to pawn my computer.

01:05:11.180 I try to save all my money.

01:05:13.280 But when you walk out,

01:05:15.140 and all of your friends that you went to high school with,

01:05:17.240 they're married, and they work for Dell,

01:05:18.640 and they have a 401k, and they have stock options,

01:05:21.160 and your mom's driving you to NA meetings,

01:05:23.820 and you're 26, or you're 30, or you're 34,

01:05:27.600 And you've never once had any idea about what to do on this spinning rock.

01:05:34.660 Bro, this is crazy. 0.99

01:05:36.160 This is fucking crazy, dude. 0.99

01:05:37.900 That was me. 0.99

01:05:39.380 That was me, bro.

01:05:41.140 All the way up until probably 20, 29, 29 years old.

01:05:46.280 Here's what I will say to people watching this that have no clue.

01:05:49.240 That have no clue what they want to do, how they want to do it.

01:05:52.480 Because I was there.

01:05:53.520 I was just there.

01:05:54.560 It was a store.

01:05:55.080 I was just there.

01:05:55.800 I was just at it.

01:05:56.500 Let me give you something.

01:05:59.580 I started trying things.

01:06:02.920 I knew I had something, and I didn't know what it was.

01:06:06.440 I didn't know I wanted to be a YouTuber.

01:06:08.480 I didn't have the luxury of knowing what it was.

01:06:11.820 But I knew I had something.

01:06:13.360 And let me tell you this.

01:06:16.040 If you've made it through addiction or mental illness, you have something.

01:06:21.700 Because a lot of people don't.

01:06:23.280 if you are still kicking today

01:06:25.760 battling those demons

01:06:28.380 you have something

01:06:29.380 because a lot of people

01:06:30.300 didn't wake up today

01:06:31.340 because they couldn't make it

01:06:32.520 they couldn't cut it 1.00

01:06:33.620 and you fucking did 0.99

01:06:34.720 so you have something 0.99

01:06:36.300 but you might not know what it is

01:06:37.800 I like that a lot

01:06:38.660 I like that a lot bro

01:06:40.300 I can't imagine

01:06:41.460 I can't imagine

01:06:42.740 just overcoming that hurdle

01:06:43.820 of drug addiction

01:06:44.520 and looking around 0.99

01:06:45.500 going holy shit 1.00

01:06:46.500 what the fuck do I do 0.99

01:06:48.900 I hate to say this 0.98

01:06:50.760 and I'm cautious with it 0.97

01:06:51.920 but I'm gonna fucking say it 0.95

01:06:53.040 don't take it as a direct comparison please but there are people that come home from war 0.97

01:06:58.600 they come home and they have nothing the va turns their back on them their family says welcome back

01:07:04.040 you're back have fun veterans are dealing with it every day not a direct comparison but let me tell 0.93

01:07:09.760 you how i felt i walked out of rehab i had nothing i had nothing no education no fucking car nothing

01:07:15.780 I was 26 years old with not a, uh, anything. 0.98

01:07:19.980 And I, and I started doing shit, started walking those dogs. 0.97

01:07:23.900 So first I, my sister said, Hey, listen, you know, we could, you could be a, you could 1.00

01:07:28.240 pick up dog shit. 0.99

01:07:30.880 I didn't say Jill is a very important part of my story. 0.99

01:07:34.500 I don't think I've told you a lot about this, but my older sister was like another mom to

01:07:39.580 me.

01:07:39.840 She, she, she loved me so dearly.

01:07:42.660 And when she saw me start to get my things together, she activated hard, bro.

01:07:47.780 Took me in, was like another mom, literally. 1.00

01:07:50.720 And said, yo, pick up this dog shit. 1.00

01:07:52.820 And a part of me was like, pick up dog shit? 1.00

01:07:55.080 You know how much fucking shit I sold? 1.00

01:07:56.700 Like, fuck that shit. 1.00

01:07:58.180 No. 1.00

01:07:58.780 But I did it.

01:08:00.300 And then it went to running an entire camp for dogs, which is in this story, but is hilarious.

01:08:06.480 I wish we had a picture of me with 30 dogs in the backyard.

01:08:11.480 All different breeds. 1.00

01:08:12.660 And I would make sure the pits didn't kill the fucking German shepherds. 1.00

01:08:15.760 And I would hang out with, I would hang out all day with Bailey and Harper and Snowflake and all my good friends. 1.00

01:08:22.240 They were all dogs.

01:08:23.100 There's no other people with a bunch of dogs.

01:08:26.540 I did that for a while, but then I started picking up side things.

01:08:30.500 I said, I like photos.

01:08:33.920 I like, I think I can take photos.

01:08:36.300 They're fun to do.

01:08:37.040 That's fun.

01:08:37.500 and I saved up a little bit of money 0.98

01:08:39.020 with my shitty job 0.96

01:08:40.280 and my non-existence 0.96

01:08:41.880 and I had no friends

01:08:42.660 because I had to write them all off

01:08:43.660 because I wanted to get clean

01:08:44.520 and stay clean

01:08:45.120 and I had no one

01:08:46.700 but I had a camera now

01:08:47.900 and so somebody said

01:08:48.960 whoa what do you shoot

01:08:49.700 with that Canon 70D

01:08:51.940 that you bought

01:08:52.320 I said

01:08:52.660 I'm a wedding photographer

01:08:55.120 and they said

01:08:56.500 you're a wedding photographer

01:08:57.480 and I was like

01:08:57.960 yeah that's right

01:08:58.440 I'm a wedding photographer

01:08:58.860 I had never even seen

01:09:00.680 a wedding in my life

01:09:01.580 at that point

01:09:02.140 I was 30 years old

01:09:03.340 when I saw my first wedding 1.00

01:09:04.160 I'd never seen a fucking wedding 0.99

01:09:05.220 in my life 0.99

01:09:05.620 I said I'm a wedding photographer

01:09:07.400 They were like, well, I know someone who's about to get married.

01:09:10.160 I see she's on a budget.

01:09:11.360 And they were like, well, what's, I was like, well, how does that work?

01:09:13.980 And they're like, oh, I don't know.

01:09:15.300 Go talk to her. 0.97

01:09:15.720 Just talk to her. 0.99

01:09:16.200 They're like, oh, I'll give you 750 bucks.

01:09:18.240 You're a wedding photographer.

01:09:18.920 I was like, yeah, I'm a wedding photographer. 0.99

01:09:20.740 Showed up at a wedding with a 70D and a fucking built-in flash. 0.99

01:09:25.140 A built-in flash. 0.99

01:09:26.560 And took pictures of the bride and the groomsman.

01:09:29.480 I took that money and I bought a DJI drone.

01:09:32.160 Phantom One.

01:09:33.300 And they said, what do you do with that drone, Mike?

01:09:34.820 I said, I fly down the aisle behind the bride as she walks down the aisle.

01:09:38.800 And I was one of the first people to fly a drone over weddings.

01:09:42.600 And I put it on YouTube and I'd send them.

01:09:44.160 I was like, but that's $2,500.

01:09:46.000 And so I started doing that.

01:09:47.600 But then this is where calculations come in.

01:09:51.600 And you have to calculate.

01:09:54.320 That business grew to a point where I was making more money than the dog walking.

01:10:01.280 But how long would it last?

01:10:02.620 So I waited.

01:10:03.240 and after six months went by

01:10:05.220 of making more money

01:10:06.080 the dog walk said

01:10:06.720 no more dog walking

01:10:07.520 and then it was photos

01:10:08.820 and then it was drones

01:10:10.040 and then I started writing

01:10:11.140 and I met somebody

01:10:11.840 who was like

01:10:12.200 yo you took great pictures

01:10:13.100 at this wedding

01:10:13.640 want to try writing

01:10:14.340 so I wrote something

01:10:15.180 for AOL

01:10:16.520 and then one day

01:10:18.220 I see an ad

01:10:19.100 on Craigslist

01:10:20.080 for a company

01:10:21.580 called Love Sack

01:10:22.360 that sells bean bag chairs

01:10:24.080 and it said

01:10:26.640 personal assistant needed

01:10:28.300 and I was like

01:10:29.200 and it was like

01:10:29.640 to grow my social media

01:10:30.980 and by the way

01:10:32.260 it was like 2012

01:10:33.660 nobody knew how to grow

01:10:34.600 social media

01:10:35.140 except me

01:10:36.120 because I

01:10:37.320 was an expert

01:10:38.640 in the social media

01:10:39.820 growth and branding world

01:10:41.100 at least that's what I said

01:10:42.600 I had no idea

01:10:44.060 I got on the phone

01:10:45.220 so I

01:10:45.660 so I apply

01:10:46.640 he calls me

01:10:47.260 one day

01:10:47.820 I'm sitting at Subway

01:10:48.600 this whole story's in there

01:10:49.700 sitting at Subway

01:10:50.520 with my boy Pat

01:10:51.320 Patsy

01:10:52.260 shout out Patsy

01:10:53.100 you've talked

01:10:54.600 can't wait to meet Patsy

01:10:55.940 me and him

01:10:56.920 had fallen into

01:10:57.800 a dark pit of

01:10:58.440 day trading

01:10:59.480 penny stocks

01:11:00.600 because by the way

01:11:01.620 I was a great penny trader.

01:11:03.180 You may not believe it, but I've done it.

01:11:04.880 I've tried everything.

01:11:06.600 I get a call.

01:11:07.420 He's like, hey, Mike, this is Sean from Love Sack.

01:11:10.460 And I was like, okay.

01:11:12.200 He's like, yeah, I got your resume.

01:11:13.980 He's like, you seem to be an expert in branding and social media growth.

01:11:18.040 I was like, that's right.

01:11:19.360 He's like, what do you say you come in for a meeting next week in Stanford, Connecticut?

01:11:22.580 And I was like, all right, yeah, be there.

01:11:24.120 Next week rolls around, throw on my one button down that I have.

01:11:28.220 I got a Pico at Marshall's for 29 bucks.

01:11:30.920 i rolled into this place it's like some fancy restaurant because stanford's like the

01:11:34.740 upgraded like connecticut part of connecticut and i sit down i have a conversation with him

01:11:39.660 and in that first conversation he saw something he saw something he said i don't he said it to

01:11:48.700 me day one i don't know what it is but like something about you like there's something

01:11:52.300 there there's something there like you you got it you know how to talk you know you got that spunk

01:11:57.780 I started working for him

01:12:01.420 And one day I told him

01:12:02.760 I said hey listen man

01:12:03.680 I haven't been completely honest

01:12:06.020 I have no idea what I'm doing

01:12:08.700 Not only that but I'm also a felon

01:12:11.440 Narcotics addict

01:12:13.680 Dealer

01:12:14.560 I have a horrible past I'm so sorry

01:12:16.880 I never told you

01:12:17.500 The way Sean was brought up

01:12:20.340 And the way Sean's religion goes

01:12:21.820 And the way he is as a person

01:12:23.600 Is to forgive

01:12:25.560 And to give people a chance

01:12:27.260 Mormons

01:12:27.620 he's a Mormon

01:12:28.780 Sean's a devout born

01:12:29.640 he gave me a chance

01:12:31.560 that chance led to a text message

01:12:34.180 between myself and the Logan Paul

01:12:35.820 who wanted some beanbag chairs

01:12:37.300 for 1600 Vine

01:12:40.600 Mike your life is so weird dude

01:12:42.480 this is hitting me this podcast

01:12:43.980 bro this makes no sense Mike

01:12:46.580 this makes no sense

01:12:49.300 cause even like when you were writing this book

01:12:52.520 how did you plan to do anything

01:12:54.580 with the things you were writing

01:12:56.020 because now you have a platform.

01:12:58.000 You're dating one of the biggest female adult,

01:13:01.340 ex-adult film stars in the world

01:13:02.660 with a massive online presence. 1.00

01:13:05.160 Your best friend is the same shit 1.00

01:13:07.020 and now you are too. 1.00

01:13:11.100 Wow.

01:13:11.760 Okay, I'll go from here.

01:13:12.940 Do you see why I need to give back

01:13:14.160 and why I have to give back?

01:13:15.580 This is crazy.

01:13:17.780 I'm trying to like take away why, how?

01:13:21.860 because i i i would like to believe there's a how i'm sure you you'd uh attribute a lot to

01:13:29.560 your religion and your faith and and and and maybe that's it maybe it's like the universe

01:13:34.820 uh i don't it's almost like for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction and

01:13:41.920 because of how low you were now you have the opportunity to get as high as you can be 0.99

01:13:47.980 and that fucking love sack bro 1.00

01:13:51.460 I heard about these giant bean bags 0.99

01:13:52.960 I'm like I want one so I walk into the love

01:13:55.320 sack store where in Sherman Oaks

01:13:57.320 I'm like hey I do Vine's

01:13:59.220 social media presence like you mind

01:14:00.780 hitting contact hitting me up

01:14:02.940 or you mind linking me with

01:14:04.140 the marketing guy

01:14:06.180 get a text from a dude named Mike

01:14:08.040 do you have any ideas I was like yeah

01:14:10.460 I kind of don't want to pay for this love sack

01:14:12.920 is there anything we can do

01:14:13.900 and he's like yeah sure we can work on it super amicable

01:14:16.800 friendly charismatic guy

01:14:18.060 told this story

01:14:19.500 a thousand times

01:14:20.300 got my love sack

01:14:21.400 set him up

01:14:21.820 I was like

01:14:22.060 bro these are great 1.00

01:14:22.760 can you fuck on him 1.00

01:14:25.040 cause you were being 1.00

01:14:26.040 friendly and fun

01:14:26.920 and like a bro

01:14:27.540 and he goes

01:14:28.560 as a matter of fact

01:14:29.600 you can

01:14:29.900 Logan

01:14:30.540 it covers a machine washable

01:14:32.160 so come wherever you like

01:14:33.380 I was like

01:14:33.860 this guy's great

01:14:34.440 and then

01:14:35.720 the way our friendship

01:14:36.500 developed is

01:14:37.260 it's one for the books

01:14:39.260 that's a whole other podcast

01:14:40.280 it's one for the books

01:14:40.860 bro

01:14:41.220 the whole thing

01:14:42.400 bro listen

01:14:43.080 we became really good friends

01:14:44.920 over text at first

01:14:45.980 and then

01:14:46.420 Yeah, we could do a whole show on this. 0.99

01:14:48.240 By the way, you fuckers are going to read this before I do. 0.99

01:14:50.620 He doesn't have one actual copy of the book. 0.99

01:14:52.800 It's a mock-up copy.

01:14:55.040 But first time we met in real life, Travis Stranas' house,

01:14:58.480 put together this amazing deal where he actually,

01:15:03.640 it's so funny how these days are just tiny blips in the story.

01:15:07.500 Like he shot a love sack out of a massive room-sized slingshot

01:15:14.180 and tried to knock Travis Pastrana out of the sky

01:15:18.120 as he jumped off a large ramp on a motocross bike

01:15:21.180 while Roman Atwood recorded. 0.99

01:15:23.320 What the fuck did I just say? 1.00

01:15:24.800 What the fuck did I just say? 1.00

01:15:27.540 How did that happen? 0.98

01:15:28.860 And I met you for the first time.

01:15:30.200 You came down the driveway and you're like,

01:15:31.200 Mike!

01:15:32.380 And I turned around and I said,

01:15:33.480 Yo!

01:15:34.760 And just like that, bro.

01:15:36.920 So I'm going to fast forward a little bit

01:15:39.940 because when you really became a part of 0.96

01:15:43.800 this shit by the way i'm so sorry for bringing you on to this best thing that ever happened 0.96

01:15:49.240 was after tokyo yeah whole chapter about that yep so um we have been friends for a while and 0.97

01:15:57.920 i i saw the thing too in you i just wasn't sure where where to uh devote that energy and you you

01:16:06.520 you had always cared about me and my well-being and my career and um i don't know if i want to

01:16:13.200 read the excerpt because it even for me brings up some uh some some demons and feelings that

01:16:20.560 make me a little uncomfortable i read it before the show uh i'm yeah this is it just it's a little

01:16:29.220 too close to home for me to read yeah for sure but uh why why did you why did you come into my

01:16:36.520 life and help me why why did you leave here i make jokes about this all the time even

01:16:40.880 i wrote that thing i want to read it my my uh oh your letter for the book yes find it right now

01:16:48.200 i'll give you some somewhat of an answer uh what's it what's a what's a keyword that i used

01:16:54.160 corporate i use corporate i'm searching my notes i can send it to you right now got it that's how

01:16:58.240 you that's how you find notes that you took a while ago do uh do words that you know you used

01:17:02.120 i found our i found your machine washable text by typing in washable because i know no one's

01:17:06.760 going to use that except when i clicked on it because i was going to take a screenshot it was

01:17:09.700 too far back lost in the ether of text messages but mike asked me to write like a forward or

01:17:15.160 something a prelude for his book is like a little teaser and i put i met mike when he was selling

01:17:21.800 beanbags as a social media kid trying to get free furniture i had no idea that the marketing manager

01:17:26.640 that i was texting would soon become my best friend business partner and roommate see most

01:17:30.900 people fall in love with mike's charisma and deceptive intelligence but not me i liked mike

01:17:35.220 because he was able to get me free bean bags.

01:17:38.600 However, as he continued to supply me

01:17:40.420 with shredded memory foam stuffed inside a sack,

01:17:42.740 I realized that the kid had a real spunk.

01:17:44.720 As a spunkster myself,

01:17:45.880 I enjoyed every second chopping it up with Mike.

01:17:48.020 Conversations were effort, jovial, pragmatic.

01:17:50.380 It was a blossoming love story 1.00

01:17:51.560 akin to Brokeback Mountain without the gay sacks. 1.00

01:17:54.160 Soon thereafter, I rescued Mike from his stable, 1.00

01:17:56.560 secure, and lucrative corporate job in Connecticut 0.99

01:17:59.320 and brought him permanently into my fucked up life 0.98

01:18:02.720 that is digital media. 0.99

01:18:03.700 He quickly became the big brother I never had

01:18:06.340 And never wanted

01:18:07.740 There's many things I like about Mike

01:18:10.940 His ability to navigate through the shitstorm

01:18:12.580 And come out victorious

01:18:13.380 His interpersonal communication skills

01:18:15.400 His humor

01:18:15.880 I've been lucky enough to experience the ripple effects

01:18:18.140 Of his unmatched energetic glow

01:18:19.500 As he continues to make me the best version of myself

01:18:21.460 Mike is an invaluable and irreplaceable counterpart 1.00

01:18:24.120 But he's also a pussy 1.00

01:18:25.480 LP 1.00

01:18:26.300 So I'm here to ask you 1.00

01:18:27.960 Why the fuck you left your job in Connecticut 1.00

01:18:29.960 To join this bullshit 1.00

01:18:31.420 and help me overcome a lot of hurdles in my life 0.99

01:18:34.620 because I was not in a good place

01:18:36.320 as much as I like to pretend that I was, I was not.

01:18:38.400 And that's why I can't even read that passage out loud

01:18:40.120 because I cannot, I cannot for the life of me

01:18:45.160 identify what I was thinking.

01:18:49.820 If someone were to ask me during that time,

01:18:51.840 why, why did you do this?

01:18:53.260 I used to answer that question.

01:18:54.880 I used to, I used to go, man, it's hard to say,

01:18:57.480 but I imagine, I don't, I don't know.

01:19:01.300 I don't know the answer now so again I'll ask you for the third time and let you speak this time

01:19:05.120 why Mike no matter how bad my life got when I was doing the things that I was doing

01:19:12.520 there was always a part of me that was filled with intense love and passion for other people

01:19:20.420 it that was one thing that never went away it never went away even even though I did things

01:19:25.340 that counteracted that and contradicted that all the time I and and out of out of self-preservation

01:19:30.200 and desperation i did horrible things but i always had that part of me that just loved people

01:19:34.480 i truly truly truly love people i love being friends with people i love making their lives

01:19:39.720 better that there's nothing that makes me feel better than that and i'm i've always been very

01:19:45.440 good at i've always been good at helping people giving advice to people walking people through

01:19:48.860 tough times when i first met you and we became friends it was a very noisy part of your life 0.95

01:19:56.980 there was a lot of people involved a lot of people some were great some were very fucking bad 0.52

01:20:03.800 when i came in the one thing i knew for certain was which one of those people i was and there 0.81

01:20:11.100 was debate about it there was debate from family members about it there was debate about business

01:20:15.060 people about it the whole time but i knew more than anyone that the only reason i was doing the

01:20:21.100 shit i was doing was because i i loved i already loved you and you were already a very good friend

01:20:26.080 to mind. I wanted you to get through whatever it was, whether it was the good or the bad. 0.93

01:20:30.480 We were supposed to start working together and we were supposed to be counterparts prior

01:20:34.860 to Tokyo. We were working on that. There was going to be this massive influencer arm of

01:20:38.520 the Maverick business and I was going to take it over and I was already meeting with Jeff.

01:20:41.940 Yeah, I think it's a good spot, just benchmark to say that you were never meant to be talent.

01:20:45.800 You were meant to be the head of talent.

01:20:47.540 The head of talent, of marketing, of that kind of stuff. And then, as we know is in

01:20:53.900 this book a part that you don't want to read and i can completely understand that one of the most 0.95

01:20:57.560 earth-shattering fucking moments happened and it was earth-shattering for me because it was 0.86

01:21:02.500 my next step in life and so when it when it happened to him it happened to me too 0.99

01:21:07.080 and not not more than a a month or so after that there was a follow-up which demonetized your 0.92

01:21:13.900 channel and created more havoc for you yeah the rat which which was the rat yeah and a lot of 0.98

01:21:20.320 people don't know this but i went bonkers i went ape shit on everybody your fan on everybody i'll 0.99

01:21:26.560 give some context here so after tokyo happened uh i did the the the rat thing fuck uh i didn't 0.93

01:21:35.960 send it to the review team that we had just put in place because mike said to i it's one of the

01:21:41.920 most uh picture perfect definitions of self-sabotage just like like i i didn't show the 0.97

01:21:47.860 people who were put around me just because i was being a fuck ass a villain um and you got so mad 0.92

01:21:55.160 you got so mad i remember being on the flight from jfk and i was still on the runway to leave 0.98

01:22:01.580 jfk to come back here because i was coming back here so often at that point but i was still going 1.00

01:22:05.820 back to love cycle trying to balance it and i was i was fucking fuming you motherfuckers you did it 0.99

01:22:12.060 again jeff the other people that were on the team at this time that were part of the team and 0.99

01:22:17.500 everybody didn't yell much at you but i probably did but that's it you did but but anyways that

01:22:24.580 was a that was like as i started to transition into the team but the one thing that was always

01:22:30.040 there was the belief that i was doing all of this because i genuinely cared about you as a person

01:22:38.840 and that was the reason and and there was never there was always a uh you always you still to

01:22:45.340 this day have this filter yeah what why is this person doing this you knew early that i was that

01:22:51.800 i was a good person you knew you just knew and that's why i we still we it's this is not in the

01:22:57.760 book so i guess there are a couple things about to talk about the sugar no not the shrimp but

01:23:01.400 similarly the garage night where it had the first time where it went down one of the worst times

01:23:06.400 with the entire with everybody and we don't have to name names or anything but you stood up to your

01:23:11.200 own family members in my defense about to throw hands about to throw hands in a fight that almost

01:23:17.060 went down and and um i've oh i can say without question without any thought whatsoever that i

01:23:27.460 am a good person i know that i was raised a good person my mother hasn't put that in me my

01:23:32.940 grandmother my father everything about me not everything i have some down some pitfalls but

01:23:38.980 at heart i am a good person and that is why i and that is why i said to your point i know it's funny

01:23:49.300 but i knew that if i walked away from everything during a point that was not your best or brightest 0.97

01:23:55.280 it was going to work out and i'm and i'm happy i did and it was and it was and it was fucking 0.60

01:24:00.540 horrible for a while even with the um even with the the shrimp thing like when mike and i broke 0.66

01:24:07.180 up for a week my conclusion was and sometimes it takes me a bit to come to these conclusions

01:24:13.180 um is that i've i've never questioned mike's intent and and we talk about this a little andre

01:24:20.600 just like uh and gary vanderchuk actually told me this after tokyo intent does not always equal

01:24:27.500 outcome absolutely sometimes it doesn't matter what your intent is it's execution right in this

01:24:34.240 specific scenario with you it does because because i know like i know your intent is and always has

01:24:40.340 been good and so it was it was good it was a good um i don't know i guess i just saying like yes i

01:24:45.740 you you're a very good person yeah you're a very good and i wasn't always but i think it's something

01:24:49.720 that i i i was always deep down but then i was able to push it away for so long and now and now

01:24:54.980 i try to let it rule everything that i do and so bro bro i realized this about you actually for the

01:24:59.800 first time when we i forget where we were we were driving around the yeti somewhere there was like

01:25:03.340 homeless man at a gas station and you're like yo can you give this guy like 20 bucks they don't

01:25:07.280 have any cash on me i was like i was like i don't have any cash on me either but like what about him

01:25:10.240 like like is it whatever and you're like you go i don't know i just like i don't know like i just

01:25:15.180 like doing this and bro ever since then i've seen you chasing down homeless men throwing your money 0.78

01:25:18.980 at them like like they're running from you now yeah i know like do you shut up and take my money

01:25:23.140 i i uh and and and by the way like you know say what you want about that act there's more there

01:25:30.280 I like, I hope, I always hoped that they would take more from the conversation that I have

01:25:34.880 with them.

01:25:35.120 I'm not, I'm not a, I don't ever want to be the here's money guy.

01:25:38.300 I want, I want to know what's going on.

01:25:39.800 How are you feeling today?

01:25:40.940 Like you, you, I think the part you left out from that was I gave them a big hug too.

01:25:44.880 It was at a gas station.

01:25:45.720 I know exactly what you're talking about.

01:25:46.520 Oh yeah.

01:25:47.240 Yeah.

01:25:47.800 It's funny.

01:25:48.380 Cause when we go to Watts, the Watts Empowerment Center and I'm, I'm playing with the kids.

01:25:53.000 It's like, I'm playing with the underprivileged kids, the children, bro.

01:25:57.140 Every time I look over, I'm like, I wonder what Mike's doing.

01:25:58.940 i wonder what everyone in the squad is doing it's interesting to see like who resonates with what 0.97

01:26:02.600 like i really enjoy hanging with the children like fucking around i look at mike and you're 0.95

01:26:07.120 always talking to the teenagers the ones who actually probably have real problems now 0.98

01:26:10.480 instead of just like being a kid and some are even older they're they're because the reason is is

01:26:16.000 because those kids have been are are thankfully thankful thankfully for the for the people that

01:26:23.980 work at watts empowerment center and other places like it they're being nurtured and brought up in

01:26:28.180 an environment that instills value and moral fiber in them and they're being given the things that

01:26:32.980 they need to do to be given so that by the time they're 13 15 18 years old they can make the right

01:26:39.440 decisions unfortunately the 18 the 20 year olds the 22 year olds the 26 year olds that have been

01:26:46.600 banging since 13 have been putting in work on the streets have been selling on the corner since they

01:26:51.660 were 13 years old they missed that opportunity they didn't have a watson powerment center and

01:26:55.980 If they did, they weren't at it and probably, you know, and I like to think, and this is

01:27:04.740 another, you know, big point for the book.

01:27:06.480 I like to think that when people know my story, they're, they're willing to let me in and

01:27:12.920 tell me theirs, you know what I'm saying? 0.99

01:27:15.160 And so when I sit with the, with the dudes that like could have caught a fucking body 0.98

01:27:19.740 in the past week, you know what I'm saying? 0.96

01:27:21.220 And, and, and, and, and, yo, like drug addiction is not the only evil that's all consuming.

01:27:27.340 Yeah.

01:27:28.980 Gangbangers. 0.99

01:27:29.840 Mental illness is a huge one that we barely fucking scrape the surface of. 0.99

01:27:34.100 Everybody suffers. 0.99

01:27:36.640 Everybody suffers.

01:27:37.840 I talk about this.

01:27:38.540 I talked about in this book, everyone's suffering, although different is the same. 0.99

01:27:44.540 I was an addict for fucking eight years. 0.98

01:27:47.160 Someone else lost a son. 1.00

01:27:48.820 Someone else lost an arm.

01:27:50.100 someone else stubbed their toe and that's it each one of those person has endured the worst pain 0.99

01:27:56.640 they've ever endured whether it's a stubbed toe or some other shit pain is only relative to the 0.92

01:28:02.020 person who has gone through it and so if you are suffering if you are feeling pain then we can

01:28:08.880 relate but it's it's it that that is that that relatability that ability for somebody to say

01:28:16.180 yo, you have suffered in a similar way as I have

01:28:18.700 to a similar degree that I have.

01:28:20.920 There is nothing, I've said this before,

01:28:22.960 I do not believe there's any community in this world

01:28:26.200 as powerful as those suffering.

01:28:29.360 The ability to relate to someone else

01:28:31.360 who has a story similar to yours,

01:28:33.700 I wish so badly that every addict, 0.97

01:28:37.800 every mental illness sufferer had a mirror, 0.86

01:28:40.880 a person like them that had a similar story

01:28:42.520 that they could just talk to.

01:28:44.020 Because it did wonders for me, dude.

01:28:46.080 it did wonders for me to talk to people bro

01:28:48.040 and not everybody has that and I feel

01:28:49.920 so badly for people that have no one

01:28:51.840 because they're watching this show right now 0.99

01:28:53.600 were there fucking people bro 0.99

01:28:55.700 and the book 0.98

01:28:56.620 I have a couple more things but they're kind of deep

01:29:00.220 I also think

01:29:01.280 this has been a phenomenal episode and I

01:29:03.760 appreciate how open you are

01:29:06.080 and you're on fire right now so I'm just

01:29:08.080 going to keep kind of picking your brain because 1.00

01:29:09.580 you're killing it 0.99

01:29:10.840 how do you

01:29:14.160 implement character notes

01:29:15.460 because part of the reason I use the word

01:29:18.040 big brother with you is because

01:29:19.980 you work with me

01:29:22.240 a lot on adopting

01:29:23.840 character notes. These are the

01:29:25.980 hardest fucking notes 0.99

01:29:27.960 to implement because 0.99

01:29:29.800 with me, I've been open about it

01:29:31.960 my delivery

01:29:32.740 can be subpar and we were talking about it this morning

01:29:36.200 I was screaming at the table 1.00

01:29:38.000 I go fuck the golden rule 1.00

01:29:39.520 it's the wackest rule ever, I hate it 1.00

01:29:41.820 treat others how you want to be treated, no

01:29:43.900 it works 90% of the time

01:29:45.920 but if you're like me

01:29:46.980 and you like

01:29:47.940 honest open candid feedback

01:29:49.720 turns out not everyone likes

01:29:51.920 honest open candid feedback

01:29:53.560 so

01:29:54.880 how do you

01:29:56.560 implement a character note

01:29:58.580 when someone gives a note

01:29:59.580 that is

01:30:00.120 literally coded into your DNA bro

01:30:03.400 I have to go against my genetic code

01:30:05.400 to watch how I say things

01:30:07.060 you see my dad

01:30:08.180 everyone knows how my dad

01:30:08.980 like talks and just delivers it 1.00

01:30:10.140 he's like oh fuck 1.00

01:30:11.020 he just says it 1.00

01:30:11.620 and sometimes I'm the same way

01:30:12.780 and it's so hard and you made a comment this morning about i think you mentioned the character

01:30:17.280 note and you go i gotta do this in my life too it's probably gonna take me 10 years and i said

01:30:21.200 that's good self-awareness but like but how how do you how do you handle and and and do those notes

01:30:28.620 that really strike you to the core and go directly against the fiber of your being it's so funny that

01:30:36.300 you talk about this because we we've been through we've done so many yeah and there was another

01:30:40.740 person who was very infamous in your growth and your character notes and that was chloe

01:30:45.740 and i we yeah i'm we definitely don't touch that topic very much there's a small paragraph where i

01:30:51.440 was very thankful for her and she did an incredible job in that in that very tough

01:30:56.680 period after tokyo for you and helped you grow immensely um we've done so much work and i think

01:31:04.140 it's it's funny that you asked me the question it's so weird that it almost is to me is mathematical

01:31:09.580 it's almost a

01:31:11.400 it's almost a math or a science

01:31:13.400 because

01:31:14.840 I have to as you said

01:31:17.220 I have to deprogram you before

01:31:19.360 I'm able to program you

01:31:20.500 I have to tell you why

01:31:22.520 the 20 years of someone telling you

01:31:25.640 that when someone

01:31:26.700 when your landscaper fucks up you should go out and say 1.00

01:31:29.160 fuck you motherfucker 1.00

01:31:30.640 I'll fuck your wife tonight if you don't do this right 1.00

01:31:32.940 which is what GP would say 1.00

01:31:34.800 alright sorry GP but something in that vein

01:31:37.760 And I have to tell you why that's not going to be the thing that actually works.

01:31:43.900 I had to deprogram you on so many things and give you mathematical reasons as to why the delivery is so fucking important.

01:31:54.040 That rule of it's not what you say, it's how you say it is one of the most important things anyone will ever teach you. 0.77

01:32:00.140 And I'm not an expert at executing it myself, as you could tell by my sometimes fucking up on my own delivery on the show.

01:32:07.760 but for whatever reason when we're when it's just us because that's that's another huge thing that

01:32:12.440 people don't understand they think it's mike and logan from either logan paul vlogs the night

01:32:15.920 shifter impulsive it's close but there's a there's a lot of my new and and and strange differences

01:32:22.960 in real life for whatever reason i'm able to to visualize what's happening in these in these

01:32:31.020 personnel and relationship situations that you have going on and help you with those

01:32:35.000 better than i could even help myself and you've seen it andre's seen it danny's seen it like

01:32:39.080 whenever we have those kind of issues i i for whatever reason i'm able to do that with you

01:32:42.840 and i think it i think it comes down to

01:32:45.560 this math that is very inclusive of empathy for the other person and it's a lesson that you have

01:32:53.240 you had to learn after tokyo and it was a very big lesson for you and it was taught to you the 0.53

01:32:59.920 hard way harshly by a lot of people how important that fucking lesson was but i think it's something 0.92

01:33:04.980 that you're still trying to nail and we all and we all are i'm not even i'm not even close i got 0.88

01:33:10.940 i got exponentially better but still not even close and and the biggest thing was and it was

01:33:14.900 and it's a lesson for me as well is not it's so big to not expect other people to act the way that

01:33:23.100 you would and so when you tell someone yo uh you just like okay i'm gonna use a an example 0.98

01:33:30.460 fuck 0.99

01:33:31.000 I'm going to use Hayden as an example 0.99

01:33:33.760 this is just an example

01:33:34.860 you give Hayden the footage

01:33:37.460 he's given you 10 vlogs in a row that are

01:33:39.980 killer 5 million a pop

01:33:42.100 bangers first time you've given him some

01:33:43.920 clean up he has a rough day

01:33:46.160 he has a fight with Ashley 0.99

01:33:47.440 he's been locked up he's lonely whatever the fuck it is 0.99

01:33:49.820 he gives you a subpar piece of work 0.99

01:33:52.220 now

01:33:53.220 you could say

01:33:55.200 and you have said 0.99

01:33:57.240 Hayden what the fuck went wrong 0.99

01:33:59.340 what the fuck happened 0.99

01:34:01.360 but I've implored you 0.99

01:34:03.100 to try to understand

01:34:04.700 and be empathetic

01:34:05.700 with the situation

01:34:06.400 that got you to the place

01:34:07.280 that you're in

01:34:07.740 and as you've done that

01:34:09.640 you've

01:34:10.160 I guarantee you've seen

01:34:11.380 a massive increase

01:34:12.360 in productivity

01:34:12.940 from the team

01:34:13.500 did you

01:34:14.120 did you see the way

01:34:14.980 I was talking to him

01:34:15.980 last night

01:34:17.040 did you listen to

01:34:18.020 the voice notes

01:34:18.340 yeah

01:34:18.640 I felt good about that

01:34:19.920 you were doing a great job

01:34:20.340 you've been crushing it

01:34:21.360 I felt good about that

01:34:22.040 I was taught

01:34:23.200 in a corporate setting

01:34:24.200 after being a dog walker

01:34:26.000 and I wish

01:34:26.460 there was a dog walker

01:34:27.180 for Broly right now

01:34:27.840 because he's barking

01:34:28.320 incessantly

01:34:29.180 that all these things i was taught a lot of this through the corporate world that's why that's part

01:34:35.180 of the reason you're so valuable because part of the problem with everyone on this team and

01:34:41.080 everyone i work with is that we're it's a bit more like we work together but we live together

01:34:48.100 we see you every day like xyz and so i i don't talk to them like a collie i talk to them like

01:34:56.580 my boy yeah yeah what what what happened today yeah what why why is this why is this you gave

01:35:02.700 you gave me 10 beautiful edits i have i need to know what what you did did you where you did you

01:35:07.200 spend two hours on this and then now i'm now i'm going into boss mode yeah but i'm also your friend

01:35:11.580 so i'm approaching it like a homie it's tough yeah and you've helped me a lot with it and and

01:35:15.960 so i guess i back back to the original question like what empathy is every single note you give

01:35:22.700 someone, every single judgment you make

01:35:24.720 on someone, every single critique you give

01:35:26.780 that person, whatever place that is

01:35:28.800 whether it's corporate, family, whatever

01:35:30.600 in a place of understanding what it feels like to be in that person's

01:35:32.940 shoes. So important.

01:35:35.340 So fucking important. 0.90

01:35:36.580 When someone says to me 0.98

01:35:38.340 yo my work's a little subpar today because I'm depressed

01:35:41.080 I woke up this morning

01:35:42.920 and between you and me

01:35:44.460 I didn't want to get out of bed today. I'm depressed.

01:35:47.780 I say

01:35:48.340 rewind. Eight

01:35:50.820 years been there now i'm with you and as depressed wow now i'm depressed mike talk to me i'm just 0.99

01:35:56.580 blessed ass fucking privileged logan no you worked your fucking ass off to get here yeah you worked 0.98

01:36:03.320 your ass off to get here but the one thing is you fortunately as i said you today had the luxury of 0.99

01:36:08.640 getting it right the first time you said i'm gonna be a youtuber and you were the best youtuber in

01:36:13.500 the world and it was like that it wasn't like that but it was it was the right choice and you got it

01:36:17.420 You know, every single person watching this, 99.9% of the people watching this, whatever you want the stat to be, didn't get it right the first time.

01:36:25.960 And you cannot devalue or discount or fail to understand how it feels to be 23, 25, 27, 29, 32 and not know how you're going to provide for the rest of your life.

01:36:41.260 It's a horrible feeling.

01:36:42.540 It's a confusing feeling.

01:36:43.840 It's stressful feeling. 1.00

01:36:45.100 It could fuck with you. 1.00

01:36:46.600 or if your work is subpar 1.00

01:36:48.740 or if

01:36:49.580 the biggest YouTuber in the world thinks that you

01:36:52.780 could be a big YouTuber and you're asking for his 0.98

01:36:54.800 opinion and he says, I don't fucking think you got 0.98

01:36:56.880 it. 0.98

01:36:58.320 So there's a coming from

01:37:00.800 a place of empathy for the other person

01:37:03.000 is the most important thing I could ever

01:37:04.740 say when it comes to a critique

01:37:06.860 standpoint. Nobody wants to get told

01:37:08.760 your shit sucks. 1.00

01:37:10.860 Except you. Because you're a 1.00

01:37:12.800 sick fuck. 1.00

01:37:13.240 bro my shit sucks someone please tell me like please yeah uh okay i think i know the answer 1.00

01:37:22.160 to this question yeah uh what is the most hollywood moment the moment that you realize 0.99

01:37:28.800 yo this ain't connecticut anymore so many so many but it's probably it probably would be a

01:37:35.280 party in the hills yeah somewhere i mean there have been nights where um yeah there's one there's

01:37:40.520 one party you uh i don't know if i don't you didn't come to it i think i heard about this one

01:37:46.080 there was a party that stoss through yeah and it was it was stoss and kylie jenner's uh halloween 0.95

01:37:51.720 party and i i i'm this fucking idiot like i i still was just just getting the night shift off 0.98

01:37:57.760 the ground like things were just starting to cook and i put on the skin tight uh bat uh spider-man 0.99

01:38:03.520 wait a second uh anyways i'm drawing i'm not gonna say okay so i put on the skin tight

01:38:10.280 spider-man outfit and i walk in and i walk into the party and i go with i go with banks and i've 0.74

01:38:15.620 been very you know outspoken for my love for banks i fucking love the kid he's the weird street kid 0.98

01:38:21.460 like me scumbag who fucking made his life better and crush i love banks shout out banks we walk 0.98

01:38:26.380 into this party and right off the bat it's this big house like it's this beautiful mansion but 0.99

01:38:33.360 all of a sudden like there's

01:38:34.780 Chris Brown wait Chris Brown

01:38:37.500 Chris Brown's here

01:38:38.420 and then there's Kylie she's sitting next to Chris Brown

01:38:41.280 French Montana's chilling

01:38:42.400 there's not a lot of people here first of all why am I here 0.97

01:38:45.380 why the fuck am I at this party right now 0.85

01:38:47.440 like I was walking dogs a couple years ago 0.98

01:38:49.400 why am I here

01:38:50.260 and then me and Banks are standing in line for the bathroom

01:38:53.580 I gotta piss and down walks Drake

01:38:55.500 and Drake walks down the stairs 1.00

01:38:57.540 big ass fucking Drake dude 1.00

01:38:59.600 walks up 0.99

01:39:00.920 somehow some way fucking daps up banks which i thought was crazy looks at me and by the way like 0.97

01:39:06.060 i've met i've met a ton of people now like i've partied with fucking abel from the weekend you 0.92

01:39:10.520 were there that night we've done a ton of shit and i'm usually just yo what's up at least app 0.98

01:39:13.980 them up like be cool i could not muster a word for aubrey for drake not a single fucking word 0.95

01:39:19.860 there's just nothing there you we talked about you had a very similar experience or it just didn't 0.96

01:39:24.920 go properly no bro my experience was she was there yeah bro i he just like for five minutes just

01:39:31.640 talked to me about you know some of the most profound shit i've heard in my life and here i

01:39:36.040 am i'm about to like we try to reciprocate and i was just like yeah man like you know it's all 0.76

01:39:40.440 about hard work oh you try to be cool no bro he because he just he said some amazing very kind 0.66

01:39:47.260 thoughtful shit to me i was like bro you know it's all about the grind 0.87

01:39:50.100 you gotta fake it 0.99

01:39:53.520 till you make it man

01:39:54.260 you gotta keep hustling

01:39:55.440 so okay

01:39:56.540 that was what I was

01:39:57.100 gonna ask you as well

01:39:57.860 yeah it's just

01:39:58.320 it's that kind of stuff 0.95

01:39:59.180 you're a hustler

01:40:00.180 that's the one thing 1.00

01:40:00.720 for sure

01:40:01.520 of the many takeaways

01:40:02.240 of this podcast 0.98

01:40:02.780 you're a major hustler 0.86

01:40:04.420 yeah speaking of 0.92

01:40:05.680 what's the fifth idol

01:40:06.460 available on Amazon 0.97

01:40:07.600 right fucking now 0.91

01:40:08.660 Amazon paperback 0.97

01:40:09.800 May 5th

01:40:10.700 aka today

01:40:11.560 paperback and ebook

01:40:12.760 yeah what were you saying

01:40:13.260 hustler

01:40:13.560 are you hustling me

01:40:14.740 is our friendship real

01:40:15.980 or is this some sort

01:40:16.740 like is your tweet

01:40:17.900 about chestnut checkers

01:40:19.100 like are you playing chess with me

01:40:20.980 there's a lot of people out there

01:40:22.520 a lot of influential people

01:40:24.620 in your life

01:40:26.100 loved ones even or old loves

01:40:28.280 who would believe that and who would like to 1.00

01:40:30.820 believe that and not actually you know what fuck that 0.95

01:40:32.820 there's none there's really none now 0.96

01:40:34.280 but at one point there were more

01:40:35.660 is that because you got rid of all of them 0.68

01:40:38.340 yeah I had them all whacked 0.80

01:40:39.220 when I 0.91

01:40:41.240 joined this team

01:40:43.680 when I first started offering

01:40:46.900 those character notes

01:40:47.860 there was never

01:40:51.720 there was never a

01:40:54.180 yo there's a future here for you man

01:40:56.000 here's some money

01:40:57.500 I paid my flights

01:40:59.040 I flew on my own dime

01:41:00.980 I came here

01:41:02.060 there was never a

01:41:03.260 yo I'm going to tag you in this

01:41:04.380 you're going to have a channel

01:41:05.140 you're going to do this

01:41:05.740 you're going to do that

01:41:06.320 when it came time

01:41:09.360 that I was offering so much value

01:41:11.040 especially post Tokyo

01:41:14.260 where someone said to me

01:41:15.220 this was a big moment for me 0.99

01:41:16.800 This was a big fucking moment for me when the whole world was in disorder and everything was was falling to shit and the house of cards was falling around me. 0.98

01:41:26.300 You said to me, I said we were going over who the next leader of this organization was going to be on the business side. 0.99

01:41:33.160 And I said, I don't fucking like him. 0.99

01:41:34.860 I don't fucking like him. 0.99

01:41:36.040 And I got pissed off. 1.00

01:41:37.420 And you said, well, then why don't you fuck? 1.00

01:41:41.320 Why don't you do it? 1.00

01:41:42.260 Why don't you be the CEO?

01:41:43.520 If you know so well, you have corporate experience, you'd crush it.

01:41:46.260 I said, I could have had it all right there.

01:41:49.180 Could have been the head of this team, took on a percentage, 0.99

01:41:51.600 could have fucking ran the team, 0.97

01:41:53.620 been a massive part of the organization right there. 0.99

01:41:56.160 And that was before we were even close at all.

01:41:58.160 And I said, Logan, I'm not the person for that job,

01:42:01.440 but I will help you find that person.

01:42:03.560 That you did.

01:42:04.340 And when six months after that, he said,

01:42:06.840 yo, it's time to get you on payroll.

01:42:09.720 What do you want?

01:42:10.960 I said, you tell me what I want.

01:42:13.100 You get through, let's play with some figures.

01:42:14.600 You tell me what you're comfortable with.

01:42:16.260 And I'll do it.

01:42:19.580 Those could be incredible chess moves.

01:42:23.040 Or I guess at the end of the day, how do you ever really know?

01:42:26.680 I guess the biggest answer to that is what do I do for you when there is no victory in it?

01:42:37.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:42:37.680 It's like last night is just one quick example of like you came home stoned.

01:42:42.500 You found an owl

01:42:43.620 And you said

01:42:45.060 Not to me

01:42:46.520 But you just said 1.00

01:42:48.020 Damn I'm fucking hungry right now 0.99

01:42:50.520 Yeah I just kind of said it 0.99

01:42:51.820 I'm hungry

01:42:52.600 I'm hungry

01:42:53.180 I ate something to eat 0.99

01:42:53.900 Now I'm already a fucking leader on this team 0.99

01:42:55.640 I'm a part of the podcast 0.99

01:42:56.560 I got my night shift 0.99

01:42:57.420 I already fucking 1.00

01:42:58.240 You already gave it all to me 1.00

01:42:59.740 There's no victory left

01:43:01.340 And I got that frying pan out

01:43:03.420 And I dumped that steak in there 1.00

01:43:04.620 Holy fuck you made me tacos 1.00

01:43:05.800 You made me steak tacos 1.00

01:43:07.020 It's what do you do for somebody

01:43:08.920 When there's no victory

01:43:10.020 And that's the biggest

01:43:10.980 And that's another question

01:43:11.800 and it goes back to this book.

01:43:12.860 What are you doing for someone

01:43:14.380 that can give nothing back to you?

01:43:16.480 In a lot of ways,

01:43:17.480 you've already given it all to me.

01:43:18.640 I could go move into Lana's tomorrow.

01:43:20.500 Next question. 0.96

01:43:22.820 Life looks pretty fucking good for you right now, bro. 0.96

01:43:25.600 What does a perfect life look like? 0.98

01:43:27.580 And then we'll close it.

01:43:29.560 How does it get better?

01:43:31.060 You probably could buy a car.

01:43:32.140 You don't have one

01:43:32.680 and you have thousands,

01:43:33.420 hundreds of thousands of dollars.

01:43:37.180 I don't have a car.

01:43:39.040 I just crashed all my cars.

01:43:40.220 there's one thing I can't get right now

01:43:42.380 I haven't had it, I've never had it

01:43:44.480 it's unattainable

01:43:46.460 it's fugazi fugazi, I can't get it

01:43:48.780 I got money, got one of the 1.00

01:43:50.840 baddest bitches in the fucking world 1.00

01:43:52.020 best friends, dope as fuck, everything's cool 1.00

01:43:54.840 got a clothing company, dope ass show 0.99

01:43:56.700 everything's going great, fantastic 0.97

01:43:58.940 somebody

01:44:00.820 find a way to get my mind to stop

01:44:02.800 racing, put me on a lazy

01:44:04.940 river, make me calm

01:44:06.980 give me peace of mind 1.00

01:44:08.560 if my how does my life get better make me fuck make me okay with the moment make make me satisfied 0.94

01:44:15.000 and just chill and not upset and not confused and anxious and what's gonna happen next where am i 0.99

01:44:20.540 gonna be what's gonna happen what if this doesn't happen what if that happens what if it doesn't

01:44:23.280 happen i know that when i sit on that show i'm gonna sweat i'm gonna sweat how long am i gonna 0.99

01:44:26.240 sweat make that stop please please i'm begging you please somebody make that fucking stop bro 0.98

01:44:32.600 you regret this you did this to your mom now you can make it always 20 if it's been that way since 0.99

01:44:37.160 i was a kid gold so goal number one is find peace of mind but a little bit something a little bit

01:44:42.640 more fun man 10 years from now me and my homie my best friend writing a comedy movie working 0.54

01:44:53.380 with a big studio and producing fucking heat traditional filmmaking bro you know that what's 0.58

01:45:01.660 your most hollywood moment was one thing but what was your happiest moment so far in la the answer 0.89

01:45:06.440 will always be making the flat earth documentary it is my favorite thing that i've ever done

01:45:11.920 play playing pete's friend and talking about poor pete that fell off the side of the flat earth is

01:45:16.880 one of my shining moments in filmmaking history for me and that felt so good to me even when we

01:45:22.540 did the scripted work a couple weeks ago yeah so fun just writing that and then working on it with

01:45:27.460 you and like having your friends to like knock ideas off of and collaborate and then actually

01:45:31.420 seeing it come to light and building this beautiful piece that is what i want for my life and whether

01:45:35.800 it's this book becoming a movie or something that we create i want to make movies and i want peace

01:45:40.800 of mind amazing you did it mike mike malak i think i think i mean i think this podcast rivals evans

01:45:52.040 for sure i love evan this is this was phenomenal thank you for your honesty how open you were

01:45:59.340 your vulnerability and i was gonna tell you this after the podcast as a note yeah oh nice but i'm

01:46:04.680 gonna do it now because i like it you sitting across from me as the guest i could see a pure

01:46:13.340 authenticity to you that i don't know if i've ever seen before like i everything you said was said

01:46:21.740 with such conviction and truth it was it was magical man and it was really beautiful and i

01:46:27.260 can see because i finally got to look you in the eyes when you tell these stories that's that's a

01:46:30.820 big one it's the subject matter but it's also like i wasn't fighting at all like we were having a

01:46:36.780 conversation yeah which was great it's really great man so uh thank you yeah guys he said it

01:46:42.720 but uh his book the fifth vital is now available on amazon i'm gonna put the link in the description

01:46:46.520 and just excited for this week we had a massive week ahead of us 0.82

01:46:50.620 impulsive baby fucking number one podcast in the world continue there keep rolling let's go hit 0.87

01:46:55.900 that subscribe button and we'll see you next time mac mac also hey thank you bro 0.98

01:46:59.580 hey if you're watching this and you're sad

01:47:04.060 keep going if you're having struggle if you're stressed out

01:47:06.300 if you're if you're feeling like you're not gonna make it you don't know what to do with

01:47:08.420 their life you've been addicted you've been stressed out

01:47:10.420 or whatever keep pushing forward 0.94

01:47:12.580 shit will start happening for it and it won't stop 0.86

01:47:14.320 and it'll be beautiful 0.99

01:47:15.260 bye

01:47:17.200 I don't I can't end on that

01:47:19.940 bye

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Impaulsive with Logan Paul - May 05, 2020

E181 From Heroin to Hollywood： The Story of Mike Majlak - IMPAULSIVE EP. 181

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