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00:03:29.140I know it's like technically it's good for normal impulsive episode, but like we're on such a good wave of momentum, like positivity, like actual impactful change in the world.
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00:04:58.000I want to talk about my experience there, our experience there.0.99
00:05:01.100But I have made dumb videos my whole life, my whole life.
00:05:08.100And yet somehow directing my energy towards this cause and this movement for the past week has made me feel more significant than ever.0.94
00:08:10.420And it's not to take anything away from the white people who have been or who have had a tough life.
00:08:19.780All it is is saying that your life has not been made harder by the color of your skin.
00:08:25.900See, I like what you did there, Eddie.
00:08:27.460It gives me it gives me an easy lead when we do get to this starting at the bottom bracket of solutions, like at least admit to the small things, which you just would acknowledge that's it and be aware of recognize and I've looked around and notice that I could I could probably command a hefty group of people.
00:09:07.940I don't know if that's the right mentality to have because it's not necessarily a weapon.
00:09:11.520You remember Arrival when the aliens come and they talk about having like the word that they mess up is weapon and it's supposed to be tool?
00:09:28.840I understand what you're saying when you say weaponized, but you're really just mobilizing the ability to activate people and say this is where we're going.
00:09:37.000There's a fork in the road and we're not going down that road anymore.
00:09:43.260I'm just saying there's a power in us white folk that now I'm telling you if you're watching this podcast, it's your responsibility to activate on that.
00:09:52.420let's talk about going on Mike what do you got all right so a lot is going on a lot is going on
00:09:57.780as we can tell the protests have been going on all week and just as we're starting the show today
00:10:02.200breaking news Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison is increasing charges against Derek Chauvin
00:10:08.180to second degree murder in George Floyd's case and also charging the other three officers nice
00:10:13.280massive nice massive victory definitely a huge factor and a huge marching point for the protesters
00:10:20.540People wanted to see justice served to people that acted as accessory to murder, as well as an upgrade on Derek Chauvin to second degree, which showed intent to kill and disregard for human life.
00:10:31.440I hope that although it is a outward facing point to upgrade that charge, I hope that the evidence is there to convict, because if we lose the conviction on that murder charge, these riots will seem like just a walk in the park.
00:10:48.820it'll be one of the biggest problems ever so hopefully they've got what they need for that
00:10:52.620so that's a so that's a point um and i think now i mean i i listen the past couple days for me i
00:11:01.240know i know you've you've talked about how you've felt going through this and you were at the
00:11:04.440protest for myself the past few days have felt uh very impactful watching the protest but also
00:11:12.380have felt very divisive and toxic in a lot of the dialogue around the protest and what's happening
00:11:17.340online the dialogue sure but i'll tell you bro going to that protest yesterday yeah yo that
00:11:22.280affected me that affected me and by the way i was walking after we walked for god knows how many
00:11:28.820miles you think we walked 16 you tracked it six and a half miles it ain't a lot there are a lot
00:11:32.420of people walking there more but it's it's not like we took a little stroll in the park right
00:11:35.480you would not have been able to do it i know straight up that like your ankle would not have
00:11:40.160permitted i heard david david told me and it's all and it's also been an interesting point to
00:11:44.280consider as well. The first day we went down to the protests, a group of what's called the more
00:11:51.500prepared protesters, they had the mass and everything on fully, fully ready for war or what
00:11:56.480have you came up to us and said, your voices are more useful at home. I'm not saying they're right.
00:12:02.940It was just something I considered. We command an audience of millions. And so this is just
00:12:08.980something I've been thinking about. It's a question I've had. Should we be focusing our
00:12:12.480energy on spreading the positive news that's coming out of this spreading next steps or putting
00:12:17.260another body on the turf or or both i think we've split the difference that little like a little
00:12:22.560commercial yeah why not both nice nice nice especially because like i'll sit on this podcast
00:12:27.760and i'll say things ain't nothing like leading by example yeah nothing like leading by example
00:12:32.680yeah and and you know if if we are any influencer like i again i urge all influencers and celebrities
00:14:25.520That's what we talked about in the last podcast.
00:14:26.700other one i finished watching it last night when they see us yeah i i cannot believe crazy story
00:14:36.160yeah that is an understatement i cannot believe the horrors the injustices that have taken place
00:14:42.820in this country and i know i'm i'm i'm being dramatic right now and i sound dramatic no no
00:14:48.820yo if you know anything about this story and especially if you've you've seen um the four
00:14:54.280part series on netflix and shout out to ava duvernay the the female uh african-american
00:14:59.540director who this series who you could tell this woman has invested her all into making this the1.00
00:15:05.180best piece of programming that is going to uh uh implement change and yo girl it fucking worked0.62
00:15:11.580like kudos to you congratulations um to all the actors everyone on on on that project you guys0.91
00:15:19.460absolutely murdered it you have no idea the amount of positive change that is happening because of
00:15:26.000that and like programming entertainment um media can be so powerful when when weaponized correctly
00:15:33.140like watching those two programs weaponized correctly yes no weaponized like it's it is a
00:15:39.340weapon it might not be a weapon of mass destruction but it's a weapon i think you just got to watch
00:15:44.500connotation of the word weapon that's all i'm saying here no no no no the listener has to watch
00:15:48.300connotation of the word weapon i don't like don't i'm not talking about guns i know i get that i get
00:15:52.900that but it is i just think there's a difference i i also and i i agree with matt i agree with you
00:15:57.860on watching the connotation i do but i also so let's yesterday i made a point that i wanted to
00:16:04.380start focusing on solutions i think we have spent the past week talking about problems talking about
00:16:11.800issues that are wrong in this country with police with racism and i and i think i woke up this
00:16:17.120morning feeling a little bit lighter and a little bit more focused on how to start fixing the issues
00:16:21.980right and well i feel that way there there's an issue that that we've learned through this process
00:16:31.120more than probably any other process there are unfortunately slash fortunately will always be
00:16:37.260people out there who do not feel the same way as you absolutely and that is the biggest thing that
00:16:42.600we're up against right now we have had protests and marches against racism in this country for
00:16:48.560the past week that have done a great deal to raise awareness unfortunately there is a massive
00:16:54.360part of this country who does not believe still that racism exists at all at all and so when you
00:17:02.060start to work on problems that racism is embedded in they are closed off okay i love what you're
00:17:07.980saying yeah i want to put a benchmark in this because again like how do we enact change okay
00:17:11.460action steps i would i would assume most people who listen to this podcast or even who have made
00:17:16.920it this far in this podcast are not the target group of people you're talking about so it's up
00:17:22.300to our people to spread the word in the good fight to like i said hold hold people accountable
00:17:27.040right right i'm sorry no no that's that's good that's good there's an even bigger part of the
00:17:33.460nation however that will say racism exists but they don't believe that it has a large enough
00:17:39.140effect on the black people or the Asian people or Hispanic people to actually do something about it
00:17:43.520and so what I've been trying to do for the past couple days is propose solutions where we could0.99
00:17:49.780bring these people all the way down to the bottom how far are you willing to go what are you willing
00:17:55.220to admit can we all agree at the very least that there is an issue within the police community
00:18:01.160that results in aggressive use of force on U.S. citizens and that there is a way to do better
00:18:06.600I think you'd be delusional not to delusional. And so I'll, I'll cite an example. Um, in Louisville
00:18:12.900just this past week, police killed David McAtee after a shootout with him during the riots in the
00:18:16.740city. Uh, here's, here's a quote from, from some news people surveillance footage appeared
00:18:22.380surveillance footage appeared to show McAtee fire at police first as officers use pepper balls to
00:18:27.580clear crowd in the neighboring parking lot. According to video release Tuesday.
00:18:31.920Okay. So maybe it was justified. I don't know the exact facts on this or what the evidence shows.
00:18:36.600OK, Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad, because it's irrelevant to this next point, Louisville or Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad was fired after officials discovered that two of his officers involved in McAtee's shooting had not activated their body cameras.
00:18:53.780And the mayor went on to say this type of institutional failure will not be tolerated.
00:26:22.860And he's – I'm telling you, man, this guy thinks powerfully, and he's able to use his words.
00:26:29.520He's a poet, and he's a musician, and he's able to use his words in order to spread a message that is just kind of his historical or historian view of what's happening, documentarian view of what's happening.
00:26:41.000um and as far as far as proposed solutions i mean there's these aren't necessarily necessarily
00:26:48.560solutions but they're things that why don't you just say them i'm going to the uh one of the
00:26:52.700things that we're seeing right now is uh talked about instagram earlier was uh the black boxes
00:26:56.240and uh people just posting things and posting things and posting things i got something to0.93
00:27:00.360say about that oh i got something to say about we call a lot of shit for cutting him off i'm so0.74
00:27:05.040hesitant on the last one so hesitant to not let him finish his first point i don't i don't care0.80
00:27:09.840that's a massive massive oh i want to talk about it yeah yeah okay are we good we're good to go
00:27:14.920bring this up to talk about it with you guys okay on the show that we talk to each other yes sir
00:27:18.180look i get it uh it's a movement to show a collective of people embracing a silence and
00:27:26.160a blackout um i posted it then i actually got a little mad at myself for posting it because i
00:27:32.680realized my intent was just everyone else is doing it i might as well do it and i was beating myself
00:31:28.920There have been a lot of people also asking about the effect
00:31:36.520of these riots and you brought up the solutions i was labeling before as proposed solutions which
00:31:40.920they are and that's a very that's a very big point and i did a little bit of digging and after the
00:31:46.940death of martin luther king there were in 1968 there were riots that lasted months burned over
00:31:53.640100 cities absolutely killed more than 40 people 15 000 were arrested and i'm not i'm once again
00:31:59.880this is not my justification of a riot i'm not telling anybody to go out there and burn anything
00:32:03.560What I will say is that the impact of those riots, the impact of that massive uprising was the revival and the signing of the Civil Rights Act in America.
00:32:15.840So I don't – well, I do not justify, once again, stealing from mom-and-pop shops, violence in the streets.
00:32:37.660In my conversation with Stoke or Toussaint, as he goes by, one of the things we talked about was how the narrative so far has been that black people just lie down and aren't aggressive or not aggressive or aggressors or they don't have any reaction to when they're spurned and when they're being attacked, I suppose.0.99
00:32:58.400And that's simply not the case because of that exact example that you just gave.
00:33:05.060And yes, it's not great to riot and steal and loot and all that.
00:33:10.180But one of the important things is that there is something happening.
00:33:13.860You can't just have body after body after body being buried for something that we know is wrong and not have a reaction.
00:33:20.940If you do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.
00:33:35.200But in this circumstance, the Lion Keeper can only shoot and kill the family members of the head lion so many times before the head lion says,0.96
00:41:32.480But something tells me that after my second narcotics arrest for heroin possession with intent to sell, Jerome, who gets more time than Brandon, Kanye West, gorgeous, everybody knows the song, I would have been in jail.
00:41:48.020Not going back out to get more heroin to sell.
00:42:05.620Men should either, again, be in jail or dead.0.85
00:42:08.160I also just have to, like, knowing everything we just talked about, I have to commend all the black people that were marching at the protest yesterday.0.98
00:42:16.900And especially the ones who got in that front line.
00:42:19.320And there was one woman who was so vocal and so powerful and inspirational.
00:42:26.180She was commanding a group of like a thousand protesters because of how fiery and passionate she was.
00:42:31.780And that video with Kiki Palmer that went viral.
00:57:07.700Toussaint, I want to say thank you, man.
00:57:09.200Thank you for that great conversation.
00:57:10.260We talked for probably an hour and a half about this, and you really educated me, and I learned a lot.0.54
00:57:13.840Thanks for educating my white friend.0.52
00:57:15.240Yeah, there's a lot more I have to say about this, and I'm definitely going to continue talking about everything that you showed me.
00:57:21.420I hope I was able to say everything correctly and amplify your voice because, like I said, you educated me beyond anything that I had originally thought