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00:04:31.000Also, our guest who has one of the biggest YouTube channels in the world is vlogging our inconsistent bullshit podcast now, which makes me feel even fucking worse about things.0.98
00:20:05.860And as David explains, it's like it's more about getting the CO2 out of your lungs than just getting the O2 in.0.98
00:20:11.720So it's like you have to do all that Vim Hof breathing where you're just like exhaling as aggressively as you can to get all the bad shit out of your lungs.0.86
00:20:18.120You know that feeling when you're like holding your breath for a long time and you feel like you're about to explode?0.88
00:20:22.400That's the CO2 buildup where you just have to let that out.
00:20:25.620So did you let out air slowly when you were going or did you just hold it all in?
00:31:39.940The problem was, and a lot of maybe media companies or studios who try to do this talent first model, the problem was we couldn't all unite.
00:31:52.440We had individual goals and we were unwilling to drop those to form this group and this show together.
00:32:00.660It's one of those situations where like if any of the people who lived at 1600 Vine understood then what is commonly understood in the community now, it would have been a different equation.
00:32:10.040It was also just like the idea of a daily vlog back then was just that thing where like people talking to a point and shoot being like, yo, go to get some coffee now.
00:32:17.140Like it wasn't sort of the creative outlet that vlogging has matured into.
00:32:21.280It's been so crazy to see the evolution of vlogging.
00:32:24.940I wanted to ask you about this because it fascinates me.
00:32:28.060I feel I feel horrible for the next wave of vloggers like you know Alex Warren is yeah talk to the kid all the time he's a friend of mine and I really believe in him but I have to acknowledge that it's probably so hard to to to really break through everything's been done everything's been done we filled the pool with a million Orbeez we built a giant Lego structure and knocked it down we've given away cars we've given away money like it's all been done so what is next for the YouTube
00:32:58.060vlogger you know i think the exact opposite yeah i think no i had this conversation with with my
00:33:08.260friend sam yesterday i think that like the vlogging space is so wide open because if you
00:33:14.180look at like who the really successful vloggers were um and you say you count 20 of them if you
00:33:19.600can count that many they all fall into like one of two or three sort of genres of vlogging you
00:33:25.820You know, like Alex falls into like the David Dobrik sort of comedic skit vlogging.
00:33:30.700Like you and your brother are sort of, and Lance, 210, like you all sort of fall into this sensationalist volume, like category of vlogging, which is like your life is so wild and that's why people are tuning in.
00:33:43.200You know, for me, it was much more about like, here's my perspective on the world.
00:33:49.020And then maybe the other category would be like, this is literally my life, which is just people sharing the specifics out there.
00:33:54.960But I think that leaves like this wildly wide open green pasture that doesn't necessarily adhere to any one of those really cleanly defined buckets.
00:40:09.880But Logan, you brought up earlier like the life cycle of like a YouTuber and how quickly
00:40:14.520you burn out and like how quickly somebody comes up and replaces you.
00:40:17.880And it's like, if you think back, like all the way back in the day, like movies or TV,
00:40:21.740it's like you know it would be like a movie star that has like a really good run it's like five or
00:40:26.060ten years where they're all the rage and then like when it became like britney spears and like paris
00:40:31.220hilton and like remember that and then it became like five or six years and they just sort of
00:40:35.360they had their and now with social media fame it's like here today gone tomorrow literally yeah and
00:40:42.340i and i don't mean that in a negative way at all it just means there's always a new kid in town
00:40:46.980coming out of nowhere like last june who could have predicted it would have been a teenage girl
00:40:52.620from connecticut there's a fantastic dancer she's an amazing like entertainer right but who would0.90
00:40:57.460have seen that coming and then a year later she's got whatever she's got 72 million followers
00:41:02.220absolutely insane like in one year like that there's no precedent for that and where do we
00:41:07.040go from here do you know do you have advice for behind those glasses so many people have
00:41:14.740skyrocketed so quickly i i am genuinely concerned about like what they say what goes up must come
00:41:20.740down so what advice would you give to anyone in the past series popped off on tick tock i mean
00:41:26.420it's very generic advice but i think that like you're a good example of it um doberts great
00:41:32.020example of it but like diversification matters you know like logan paul where's he doing he's
00:41:37.620that guy who makes those crazy youtube videos and it's like well actually no he also has a
00:41:41.540a wildly popular podcast oh wow he can also host he also has like a clothing
00:41:45.740line that did very well cool nice description boxer don't forget professional
00:41:50.580boxer hip-hop artist this track I think that diversification is is key you've
00:42:00.560done a fabulous job of that so you've done a fabulous job of combining media
00:42:05.180with business yeah I've always been interested in business it's been it's
00:42:09.560been true but it's also like when i take a step away from one of those things i know that i can
00:42:14.280lean into the other and it gives me a lot of confidence you know like i was really scared like
00:42:18.440when i stopped vlogging like um it's a weird thing to say because like i've been very financially
00:42:23.320successful in my career but like when you turn off that you know when you turn off that income
00:42:27.720that is constant when you're when you're posting a lot of videos it's a scary thing to watch your
00:42:31.800income go down and just to have the confidence in your in your other options is a really big deal
00:42:38.600So when you see these individuals that are just blowing up right now, you know, like I love how like, you know, Dixie's making recording music and like they're putting on a fashion line and doing a makeup line.
00:42:47.500Like they're really diversifying what they're doing.
00:42:49.540So to me, like that feels like the right thing to do.
00:42:52.760And I asked you a question earlier about what separates you.
00:42:55.740I think you're talking about it right now.
00:42:57.180I think I think the influencer or content creators ability to diversify outside of the digital space is the longevity security or secure of that longevity.
00:43:10.300I mean, he's talked about this dozens of times when he started boxing, when he started exploring outside of YouTube, the confidence boost that that gave you when you walk in a room and what it does for you as a as a person, how it represents you.
00:50:31.700Every time Trump sort of sits down for a big interview and it goes in a direction that he's not maybe planned for,
00:50:38.960you know there's always a conversation that he has to then i don't know if he's a bob woodward
00:50:42.680who's like a big journalist bob woodward took down nixon yeah he had an interview with bob
00:50:47.020woodward and bob woodward sort of backed him into he didn't back into a corner but he asked him a
00:50:51.400question frankly and trump came right out and he was like yeah i downplayed the coronavirus this
00:50:55.720was just last week right this was last huge that's right and i just think that like the people who
00:51:00.980are in charge of like a biden campaign or a trump campaign they know that like if these you know
00:51:05.700these guys are able to speak in an unfettered way it's just like the bigger net you cast the more
00:51:10.480likely you are to sort of say something that maybe shouldn't be said it's like it's like taking them0.97
00:51:14.680out of a boxing ring and putting them out in the street bare-fisted with no fucking coach but mike0.59
00:51:19.000the unfortunate thing is for like us voters we need that yeah i like these cook these like0.96
00:51:25.760cookie cutter messages and these like one-liners and these like scripted teleprompter speeches
00:51:31.720It's like, how are you supposed to learn about a potential candidate?
00:51:35.100The thing I'm the most sick of in this current cycle is I don't want to hear a candidate tell me what's wrong with the other candidate anymore.
00:52:06.180But like a couple of days ago, Bernie came out and said that he thinks Biden should be spending less time talking about Trump and more time talking about how he's going to help low-income Americans.
00:52:17.280And it's like, I don't know what the latest numbers are, how many people are out of work because of coronavirus, how many people are struggling because of health care related to coronavirus.
00:52:23.920like that's what keeps me up at night and I don't know what Trump's gonna do to fix
00:52:28.660I don't know what Biden's gonna do right and that's a really unfortunate place to
00:52:31.900be in you took a little bit of a leap in the last election when you came out and
00:52:36.100said that you were gonna vote for Hillary do you feel you have a political
00:52:40.240responsibility a lot of influencers or personalities tend to stay away from
00:52:45.340politics I don't think it'll never it can only it can cost you it's really0.83
00:52:51.640cost the thing and I think like for all the shit that I got for in that video it wasn't because I0.96
00:52:57.480endorsed Hillary or I don't know if I endorsed her I just said I was going to vote for her0.96
00:53:01.340I think it was the way that I presented it in that video like when I made that video I was
00:53:06.460really frustrated that no youtubers were stepping up like this is right when like the Trump grabbing0.99
00:53:12.160by the pussy video came out and it was like now we're used to that you know we're used oh yeah0.99
00:56:21.740But what I was going to say is I was there on September 12th, 13th, when he was standing on the rubble with that firefighter.
00:56:28.320And at a time when the country was totally fucked up, like it is now with the coronavirus, he is a man who I, when you look into his eyes, I believe that he wanted to unite this country.
00:56:36.820No matter how much I disagree with George Bush, no matter how much damage he did, I still believe he's someone whose integrity and his heart was in the right place.
00:57:28.000Would you call it the largest fall from grace in the history of New York City?0.99
00:57:32.000Yeah, and look, he did a lot of shit wrong.0.99
00:57:34.780Like stop and frisk was Rudy Giuliani.0.99
00:57:36.600He had a lot of really damaging policies.
00:57:39.600But also, like, the guy took down the mafia in, like, the late 70s and the 80s.
00:57:44.660Like, the guy was, he was a real badass at one point in his career.
00:57:48.380So, yeah, to see him sort of, like, speak a lot of the untruths, tell a lot of the lies so unapologetically that he does now, it's hard to see.
01:00:56.660Any more than these people who are blocking police should represent an entire community, but social media has enabled this sort of gross association in a way that I think is really damaging and really scary, especially when you have an election that's like 60 days away.
01:01:12.540Crazy. And that's, and I agree with you completely. I think that's probably one of the scariest things that we have to deal with right now is how people at large will do exactly what you said. Let one act represent. And I think there's, and I think there's pundits, social pundits. Like we had a conversation before the show started today about Ben Shapiro, Ben Shapiro, Crowder. And then the people on the left is on the left side as well, who do the same thing.
01:01:40.440And I think these people are simply fanning the flames.
01:03:25.600Which led to a guy going and shooting up the pizza place.
01:03:29.580And that's the shitty thing is like at the end of the line for all of this sort of sensationalism and fake information being spread around, it's like people do get hurt.
01:03:39.140Like there's no consequences and we're having to confront that now and it's so scary.
01:04:23.560Anyone that's crazy harping back on Alex, up and coming vlogger, he texted me about it.
01:04:29.400sometimes I just I'm not feeling motivated I'm not feeling creative and while I definitely
01:04:35.840encourage people to listen to their body and pay attention to their health and make sure you aren't
01:04:42.980pushing yourself and falling into that toxic hustle trap there's a little asterisk I want1.00
01:04:48.260to put there for 18 to 22 year olds I really do believe that is the time to put your fucking head0.99
01:04:55.040down when you're young and grind when you're young and you have energy like i know i noticed0.99
01:04:59.860when i turned 23 things started changing it took me a little longer to recover
01:05:05.760there had to be an age where you were like oh well like age is this isn't slowing down
01:05:15.260look and i hurt myself and i pulled my neck a couple weeks ago and it took two weeks for it
01:05:20.080I pulled my neck while I was making coffee. I was shaking the sugar. I was shaking the sugar packet and I was like, oh no, oh no, you can't just help me.
01:05:36.380Danny, you remember this. I was putting on my shoe. I was putting on my shoe and I go, oh no, oh no.
01:10:40.500And then, like, I went to a school that was, like, I mean, I'm sure the teachers were trying their hardest, but it was not a great public school.
01:10:53.060So the school was flooded with sort of, you know, kids from out of town that were getting these huge checks from the casino.
01:10:59.060So they weren't super motivated to engage in the school and the teachers were overwhelmed.
01:11:02.860And you have all these new kids from out of town that the teachers like, you know, like they don't know how to cope with these larger class sizes and stuff like that.0.98
01:11:10.200And then there's just like a kid like me, his parents are going through a divorce and, you know, I'm just a bad kid fucking to begin with.0.95
01:11:15.700Like I'm one of four kids. I want to detention. I don't want to throw any of the responsibility for my bad behavior on the school.0.98