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00:06:40.740Stop, Georgie. Guys, let's bring out our guests. Let's bring out someone with an actual brand. He is the co-founder and CEO of Shot Studios. He was instrumental in the blossoming stages of Bieber's career. Justin Bieber, that is. He manages the career of Lele Ponce, Hannah Stocking, Anwar Jabari, and of course, his newest client, Jake Paul, my brother. He's a multimedia genius who's normally behind the scenes here today to share his secrets. Please welcome John Shahidi.
00:07:04.960at johnny john john john john john john john john here we go here we go john let me let me no no
00:07:17.520you let me okay i was gonna leave it with any questions okay so i'm gonna stop i'm gonna lead
00:07:24.200in with the statement the wardrobe today i gotta ask uh what's good what's good with the wardrobe
00:08:00.320i've known you for seven years plus for too long at first you wouldn't even give me the time of day
00:08:06.200and now we're best friends no i you pitched me on uh airplane mode seven years ago did you say
00:08:11.840how do you feel good about you feel good about that pass now or what do you wish you got involved
00:08:15.980in that that stunning project the idea was good everyone starts that was his first movie
00:08:20.100you know i mean and you learn next movie's gonna be better do you have to do you have to make
00:08:24.680shitty things in order to make good things eventually i don't know if airplane mode was
00:08:28.980shitty what are you talking about it was an experiment it wasn't a two and a half million
00:08:33.560dollars experiment you know i like that was i mean that was your inexperience you know what0.60
00:08:38.280they say uh you know um inexperience turns into bad decisions and bad decisions turn into experience
00:08:44.820is that what they say inexperience turns into bad decisions and bad decisions turn into experience
00:08:50.140okay so that's what i'm saying because i've i've been watching a lot of uh a lot of programming
00:08:55.320recently and a lot of these things are so good and i feel like the creators the directors the
00:09:00.940writers are have just a a track record of unparalleled success and for me it's not like
00:09:07.540that like i've fucked up a lot and that's how i learned that's how i like got good or at least
00:09:12.020semi-good to a place where i'm comfortable with putting out stuff that i believe in but have you0.85
00:09:17.120had a an immense amount of setbacks that equate to your success oh yeah yeah i mean i don't even
00:09:24.800know where to start you know like there's i mean we met because you know uh i had an app that had
00:09:31.100over eight and a half million users you know and raised like 15 million dollars and shots yeah the
00:09:36.040shots app right and like you know you know where is that now so you know i mean like but you still
00:09:40.120learn you know i mean it's not going to stop me from making my next app idea you know i think we
00:09:44.820learn um whether it's like what content we're creating what apps we're making whatever it is
00:09:50.840even merch you know like you know you get better and better and better with merch um different
00:09:56.220businesses you know i'm sure version one of maverick club is gonna be a lot different in
00:10:01.040version 10 of maverick club yeah tell me i'm pushing my clothes can you also can you also
00:10:05.240put that on just for a hot second can you pull fred up again please or just just hold it maybe
00:10:09.660under the uh the collared shirt i just want to the color slightly i do see what's going on here
00:10:15.500that's maybe just move your hand a little bit yeah welcome to impulsive johnny i hate to say
00:10:22.860this and i think this goes well with the tie um the last time you were actually on impulsive once
00:10:28.400before for what a half an hour maybe was it the hannah stocking he came in at the end
00:10:34.160you had before you came on the show that day you had uh you didn't know you were going to
00:10:40.660be coming on the show and you had indulged slightly in a little bit of psilocybin mushrooms
00:10:44.620and i want to talk about this i just think i and i and i wanted to break the ice with this but
00:10:51.720you know i feel like talking about failure first and then we get into that supreme success yeah
00:10:55.980sure what do you what do you what's what's good with the silly silly like like and also what do0.61
00:11:01.060you what do you think about the the path that certain places in america are taking right now0.80
00:11:05.640towards the legalization of psilocybin oh um i think i think it's great i think it's going to be
00:11:11.400I personally see it as an like an antidepressant. I think especially more than ever right now with creative people feeling entrapped because of quarantine and COVID and staying inside. And I think you're going to see a lot more creative people kind of feeling trapped and feeling, you know, which feeling trapped ultimately leads to anxiety buildup and depression.
00:11:35.140And I feel, you know, some of these psychedelic drugs, you know, actually give you kind of like an escape, you know, kind of give you some of the answers that you didn't have before and they connect you with your subconscious mind.
00:11:48.660So I think, you know, I mean, of course, there's going to be some people who abuse it, just like some people abuse alcohol, some people abuse sugar.
00:16:56.600The conversation about psychedelics has very much entered the mainstream.
00:16:59.920And I think, you know, you have people like Joe Rogan and other people that are on his show talking about it all the time.
00:17:05.760And it'll be interesting to see where it goes over the next decade because now you've got places like Denver and Oregon who have decriminalized and I think are even moving towards reclegalization on psilocybin.
00:17:18.820So you can go to a store and buy it, which is wild.
00:17:21.180and it starts there usually it usually starts oregon colorado washington state yeah they kind0.92
00:17:26.000of start some of the weird shit absolutely yeah you're an ideas man you talk about these ideas0.80
00:17:31.080that you come up with yes uh in these meetings i heard uh alexis ohanian say this you know alexis0.75
00:17:37.240ohanian co-founder co-founder read it uh when i was in ou in college i went to a little seminar
00:17:43.760he had a little speaking seminar and he said something that like made me think he said ideas
00:17:48.320are worthless or something along those lines ideas are useless because an idea is just an idea right
00:17:54.460unless you execute on it technically i hear what he's saying do you believe that yeah you think
00:18:00.400ideas are ideas are nothing but fugazi anyone could have ideas anybody you know i mean you could
00:18:05.160anyone go you know we could come up you know you the four of us could go to dinner tonight and talk
00:18:11.040five hours of ideas and bounce off one another but if you don't actually go and get it done okay
00:18:16.900it means nothing okay but but but to grow a tree you got to start with the seed
00:18:22.800the seed isn't useless the seed isn't useless can i say you could you could imagine a tree all day
00:18:31.440but that imagining the trees is nothing i think the first step is that mustard seed
00:18:35.480that's the first step do you get what i'm saying we could i can imagine a forest okay but okay
00:18:40.560you're saying the idea isn't equivalent to a seed nothing because you dream all the time you don't
00:18:44.460even remember your dreams or even have a pocket full of seeds you know i mean you got to put that
00:18:48.220seed into the ground and start watering it you know i mean like or else if you have a pocket
00:18:51.820full of seeds right now what's going to happen what if you really feed a lot of birds right now
00:18:56.580here's where here's where i think that statement is is flawed i think it i think it removes the
00:19:01.480importance of uh idea sharing in a group setting and so for someone like the founder of reddit
00:19:08.820he may be talking about the value of ideas to oneself an idea to oneself not shared with a
00:19:14.020greater unit needs to be executed upon or it's worthless when you get into a group setting ideas
00:19:18.820are very valuable because when you deliver a just a concept just the slimmest idea glimmer of hope
00:19:24.780of what something in your mind can be he picks up and says but what about this then the guy picks up
00:19:30.600on what he says and says what about this and that collaborative snowball effect has burned so many0.63
00:19:36.100fucking executed ideas so i think that that that uh statement about ideas being worthless is when0.85
00:19:44.300they exist an idea stuck here is worthless when spoken into a group of people that idea could0.98
00:19:50.120become the next 100 billion you know what i'm saying billion dollar company so i agree yeah
00:19:54.280seven years later i still can't quite get behind it i think ideas are so powerful i think the right
00:19:58.940idea can seep into a person's mind the right person like a venom like a like a toxin almost
00:20:04.200and just take over and and uh stimulate god knows what and at one point i know you had an idea to
00:20:12.380start shots i want to revisit this conversation uh shots started off as an app you were kind of
00:20:18.080in the social media space i saw you coming around 1600 all the time hanging out with anwar rudy
00:20:23.520you'd bring bieber over from time to time i remember i came uh i live two doors down from
00:20:27.840two doors down i remember i i was there once bieber was there um kendall jenner walked in at
00:20:33.240one point i was like what the fuck am i bro i'm a kid from ohio how did this happen i'm in a room0.97
00:20:37.060with these people and then fuck there's a lot to unpack here johnny let's go it's a good story i0.99
00:20:43.820know i know i know i know i know he just looked into his duffel bag i want to know where to go0.99
00:20:48.220from here because i do want to talk about shots but how did you even get in a position to be so
00:20:53.380tight and connected with those people you're a cool guy you could uh keep the relationship going
00:20:59.420because of just your charisma and who you are but how did you get there um with which person
00:21:05.920specifically let's start with beaver because he was the inception right behind the okay so um his
00:21:10.780story was great um you know so the first person that i've ever worked with um officially was
00:21:18.860floyd mayweather which i still do um since it's been 10 years now may of 2010 um and floyd so
00:21:26.960Floyd and I bought you know always you know everything we've done everything together and
00:21:30.300then um he had this jeweler Ben Baller that I think a lot of people know and uh Ben and Floyd
00:21:37.720were hanging out and we were actually filming content around Floyd and Ben was with them and
00:21:42.540I got to know Ben kind of like um you know you know Ben's um you know we just I just established
00:21:47.460a relationship with Ben and then a few weeks or a few months later um Ben said hey I'm with
00:21:54.480justin bieber and i'm telling him all about what you do and at the time we were actually
00:21:58.020iphone game developers we had about six different iphone games before shots at before the shot
00:22:02.800studios yeah and i mean he's a fan of your games he actually plays your games and uh can i introduce
00:22:07.900you to him and uh justin i think just turned 18 and i said sure and he connected me with justin
00:22:16.080and then you know i lived in orange county at the time justin was living in um in la and you know
00:22:21.880we're just like hey like he's like i'd love to meet and talk about all the stuff that you're
00:22:25.300creating and that's how we started and then but how did you develop a working relationship like
00:22:30.740what what was he lacking that or what did he not have that you felt like you could contribute i
00:22:35.440think my relationship with him is no different than the relationship with you guys it's like
00:22:38.640you know i think we're we just like vibes you know homies but then like you know like like mike
00:22:44.320and i talk weekly about ideas you know i mean i think it's just like we felt like we were just
00:22:48.860like creatively in line just like we all are you know i mean i'm thinking all my conversations with
00:22:54.080you guys have always been creative ideas i got this idea you know um and i think it was that
00:22:58.520like i think like we were like on the same creative wavelength i think you also have a
00:23:03.480really good grip on the idea of building relationships not based off of a present day
00:23:11.220need but off of the idea that something may come down the line so you meet up with bieber you spend
00:23:17.080time with them you spend time with ben baller you spend time with floyd you spend time with
00:23:20.200the jenners whoever right not because there's something that needs to be done today but six
00:23:25.440months from now you may get a phone call saying i have 125 million dollar budget for a pop singer
00:23:33.960a teenage pop singer you say well i created a relationship six months ago that is gonna make
00:23:38.840us all a lot of money right now i think you're really good at creating uh connections that will
00:23:43.940yield future results. Do you, do you think that's true? Yeah. When I was younger, someone that was
00:23:49.460really close with me told me life is not short. Life is long. You know, I was in my 20, I'm 40
00:23:56.600years old now and I was in my twenties and he told me life is not short. Life is long. You know,
00:24:01.280some of the relationships you have now, you might not need now, but you might need in 15 years from
00:24:05.020now. It's happening now. Somebody that I used to work with in my, when I was 18, I worked with him
00:24:09.540from 18 to 30 hadn't talked to him when i turned 30 uh we went different ways career wise and then
00:24:16.720now something that we're building i was like wait i need this guy you know i kind of stayed in touch
00:24:22.040but like i had you know career wise professionally i haven't had a relationship in 10 years and now
00:24:27.800he's like running this side of the business it's um you know but that goes back to life is not short
00:24:32.440everything's not gonna end tomorrow you know you know if there's an opportunity you don't have to
00:24:36.180do this now you know like life is long you know like we're gonna i mean you said seven years we've
00:24:41.020known each other yeah you know like that's crazy seven years just started working with jake you
00:24:45.600know six yeah yeah it's yeah it's crazy how those relationships and and the reason why reinvigorate
00:24:51.400reinvigorate and if you ask jake why john and he's not going to say oh because he knows boxing he
00:24:56.500knows social media so i've known him for a long time and i trust him you know that's his number
00:25:00.880one reason why you know what i've heard him tell people yep yep absolutely it's interesting too
00:25:05.400because not only is life long, but it's unpredictable.
00:25:07.960And it's another thing you probably do a great job at
00:26:59.080got to keep you got to first of all remember where you came from remember the people that help you
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00:28:15.620back to the program believe it or not so look you foster these relationships
00:28:18.960and i remember you were like the guy you were the you were the hub of all these
00:28:23.940up-and-coming social media stars the bieber crew you were the first guy i saw weaving uh traditional
00:28:31.220and digital media okay and then you started this app called shots right was it built to compete
00:28:39.060with instagram because the premise of shots correct me if i'm wrong was to post pictures
00:28:43.340and not show likes it was the it was the very first platform that didn't validate your content
00:28:49.920yeah with data correct so what was what was the premise why did you start that i don't know if
00:28:56.560it was to compete against instagram i think it was for the people who didn't want to deal with
00:29:01.060that right because this was before snapchat had stories which is before instagram had stories
00:29:05.580obviously um and that's what we were i mean the shots app was pretty much instagram stories you
00:29:10.120know they were you know um or snapchat stories there was no you know you know if you post a
00:29:14.860story i don't know how many people viewed it i don't know how many people liked it you know if
00:29:17.880i go to your instagram profile i could see how many people follow you you know so i could kind
00:29:20.880of maybe do the math but we took that part out that was like hey just share your day don't worry
00:29:25.360about it um you had the option to keep it after 24 hours it would disappear after 24 hours you
00:29:31.560know it was that it was that it was you know pretty much snapchat stories before and it was
00:29:35.840kind of for that person who maybe needed peace of mind which i don't think back then people
00:29:40.020need a peace of mind yet from social media i think now we're starting to see it and i think
00:29:43.840that's why you're seeing people use stories more than timeline or you know uh on instagram i
00:29:49.020restrict my comments that only people i follow could comment because i don't really you know
00:29:53.760like need other people's opinions you know at times um you know so i think you know or some
00:29:59.680people hide their comments um you know instagram's obviously now experimenting removing likes on some
00:30:05.560accounts i don't know if they're going to move forward with that or not but i know some people
00:30:08.780who can't see how many likes they get so we just wanted to do that more for the person who wanted
00:30:13.700peace of mind from social media but i think we're just a little too early for the time because i
00:30:17.380don't think the world mentally needed that at that time yeah so i don't i don't want to sound like a
00:30:23.060dick here but it didn't the concept didn't work is it okay to say that yeah of course it didn't
00:30:27.580okay so why i think i think it was just too early for its time i think uh when snapchat put in
00:30:34.620You know, at that time, Snapchat was just a texting app that you would send a message and disappear.
00:30:39.160And then when Snapchat put in stories, they were so much bigger than us that everyone gravitated towards Snapchat and started using Snapchat because they knew they had more than an audience there.
00:30:48.560You know, I think at the time we had, I think, 8 million users and Snapchat had 100 million plus users.
00:30:54.820So I think we kind of got, you know, I think we were just, you know, when Snapchat put that feature in, it kind of took us out.
00:31:03.320it had to be frustrating it was frustrating um you know it was frustrating but at the time
00:31:11.940you know I was having so much fun like working with people like Lele and Rudy and Anwar and I
00:31:18.080saw like you know those times we used to have a lot of conversations with a really deep partnership
00:31:23.340with Twitter like if you look up Twitter shots app there's some like news that came out about it
00:31:27.920and uh and what happened during those times which I you know I don't I've never talked about publicly
00:31:32.820but i will now is like when we had those meetings with twitter i i sent i noticed that twitter did
00:31:38.740not care about vine and was so focused on twitter every meeting i would have with twitter and i
00:31:44.780would bring up vine i would bring up you i would bring up keen batch i would bring up and they had
00:31:47.980purchased vine yeah vine was massive i'm talking about when vine was at its peak when you had but
00:31:52.460twitter had already purchased it at this point yeah twitter purchased vine before vine launched
00:31:56.160twitter owned vine from day one oh oh yeah yeah yeah they bought they bought vine pre-launch i
00:32:00.960did not know that okay yeah okay and you're saying they they it was the ugly stepchild
00:32:04.740yeah they just didn't care you know and we pit we were just having meetings after meetings and
00:32:09.720then that's when i remember telling sam i was like i don't think they're gonna care they don't
00:32:13.380care about vine i think vine's gonna go downhill i think it's time to move our following from vine
00:32:19.500to you know work with lele and rudy and at the time we're working with batch um and move our
00:32:25.860following from vine to these other platforms because this is about to be a sinking ship
00:32:30.040and so we were so focused there the app wasn't working we just we already had thrown in the
00:32:35.700towel and then we built shot studios um so at the time it hurt that the app didn't work and
00:32:41.580you know we had to explain to investors that hey you know i know you thought we're going to be the
00:32:44.980next instagram but we're actually going to be a talent studio and managing influencers taking
00:32:49.600conversation like it was it was you know what um the ones who mattered understood yeah you know
00:32:57.440i mean there were a lot of people like what no what do you mean influencer what do you mean you're
00:33:01.500gonna work with viners you're supposed to be the you know a 10 billion dollar company like i was
00:33:05.520like hey i'm not going to be that you know i could either keep trying and we could go to zero or i0.96
00:33:10.120could also you know do this at least you're not quibi dude that's what i mean you know i mean so
00:33:15.360So at least we had this other plan that, you know, this was 2015, five years later, it's
00:35:51.120He tweeted that, but he never said shots.
00:35:52.460So I can't confirm he was talking about us.
00:35:54.120Maybe they were talking to other people.
00:35:56.080I was scheduled to be at Twitter that week.
00:35:57.740but these guys have multiple meetings a day yeah i mean and they ended up buying some other
00:36:02.340companies at the time too okay okay okay so you moved into talent you moved out of platform and
00:36:06.640into talent yeah and then five years and did a fantastic job with that built some of the biggest
00:36:10.880social media careers brought in a shit ton of money through sponsorships clothing god knows what
00:36:16.060and here you are five minutes late five years later maybe feels like five minutes getting
00:36:21.060still getting involved with talents can we talk about the note boys a little bit right of course
00:36:26.740So so over I've watched this happen and been privy to a lot of it. You've built this relationship with full send with Nelk over the past couple of months. What do you see as the what do you see in the Nelk boys in that group and what do you see in their future?
00:36:40.320Yeah. What I see with them now is just a group of guys that I love just being around. They're a group of fun Canadian guys having a good time. It's a little different than what they're creating online. So the first things first is I just love being around them and hanging out with them.1.00
00:36:59.800And then, you know, some creative ideas come out of us having our meetings and, you know, I think the thing is in this last the last time I was on Impulsive is I think it's important for them and everybody to start building products and brands.
00:37:14.020You know, like, you know, you know, it's no secret, you know, how much money they make off YouTube.
00:37:18.560Right. So they've got to build other products and brands and they do a great job with merch as does Logan and, you know, other creators.
00:37:25.700but you know i think it's time to like use this platform and start building other things and it's
00:37:30.300so it's hard though especially now because it's so oversaturated merch a merch yeah i mean unless
00:37:35.540unless you're a nelk boy or james charles it's hard to move product like the days of making
00:37:41.42050 million of grossing 50 million dollars in a year for merch only few creators can do that still
00:37:48.760and i mean you chose right with the nelk boys but when you talk about developing product are
00:37:53.880you looking elsewhere i know i mean i don't know what i don't know what he wants to talk about
00:37:58.340today but you know there's there's just speak closely into the mic with your ideas because
00:38:02.620remember your ideas are nothing what happened to macklin uh he said one thing he took a spiritual
00:38:09.620journey i'm facing this way i liked you better when you were on shrooms i'm not gonna lie to you
00:38:13.320psychedelic yeah i don't know how much he's gonna be able to talk about today on it but you know
00:38:20.020everything's pending and usually i don't like to talk about pending stuff and not not because it's
00:38:23.960like oh you know it's not the right thing to do it's like i also don't want to get people's hopes
00:38:27.280up you know you know i mean like you know how many messages i get um from the last uh podcast
00:38:32.440the impulsive episode where's your book where's your book you know like already i was like hey
00:38:36.380we talked about i want you know mike said you want to write a book but it's like everyone like
00:38:40.400where's your book where's your book so you know the book is in the works still it's going to be
00:38:43.920a little while but um you know but um you know i mean like everything like you know i try not to
00:38:49.400talk about anything until it's done ready to go keep expectations low yeah same way same way you
00:38:55.120the book you talked about a little bit on the last the last episode but we should probably
00:38:58.920bring it back for people who may have missed it you wanted to create a book for people to explain
00:39:04.720the idea that anyone could utilize social media in this day and age to create a revenue stream
00:39:11.620is that is that basically the gist of the book yeah just building a business using youtube you
00:39:15.520You know, I think everyone now more than ever, you know, wants to learn how to create a business
00:39:20.680on YouTube. How do I, how do I start? People don't know. People don't even know like, you know,
00:39:24.460like how to even create an account and how to sync your Gmail with your YouTube. You know what
00:39:28.340I mean? That's like the full playbook. You know, when do I start monetizing? I have a friend of
00:39:32.580mine, um, uh, LA paparazzi. I think you guys might know Kevin Wong, right? Like crushing it, you
00:39:38.260know, crushing it. And he's like calling me all the time, John, I'm crushing it. You know,
00:39:40.960how do i make money doing this you know i mean like he just doesn't know and he's so
00:39:45.480focused on actually delivering the content and growing his channel you know i mean like now
00:39:50.640it's like okay well now okay good you figure that part out which is actually probably the hardest
00:39:55.020part oh yeah yeah i mean like go to chapter seven and now you know whatever chapter you know how to
00:39:59.880monetize your channel you know how to get into the different tiers of advertising how to not be
00:40:04.660dependent on adsense and maybe even having other products um you know i mean like those you know
00:40:10.040The playbook for anyone who has any kind of question, what kind of content, what to make.
00:40:17.420I want a whole chapter on collaboration.
00:40:34.240you have to understand who you are what you do and probably most importantly who's consuming
00:40:40.740the thing that you're making yeah well i mean that's you know you and you also you know in the
00:40:47.340case of the paparazzi with what some of these guys have uh cracked like like kevin wong like no
00:40:52.440comment is you know finding the people who are you know the the the tags and the titles that
00:40:58.440actually make that video um discoverable right like that's a huge thing it's like okay you know
00:41:04.800i mean so you know if you notice these guys learned clickbait overnight all of a sudden like
00:41:08.120how did these guys know that you know that's a form clickbait it's its own formula yeah but
00:41:12.300they've they've you know learned that and they know that the people you know bryce hall and
00:41:16.560some of these other names are like hot topics on youtube because these guys are searched so much
00:41:21.880on youtube but they don't have the channels you know i mean they don't have the content
00:41:26.080you know i mean to provide so you know and i don't know if bryce hall has a youtube channel i'm
00:41:30.840assuming yeah yeah but maybe he's not super active like he's more active than we are okay well that
00:41:37.500even also helps too because the more active he is the more you know people go in this rabbit hole
00:41:41.980of watching bryce bryce you don't want bryce and then they're done and then you know bryce hall
00:41:46.040you know eats at catch is now recommended next you know i mean and then kevin gets that view
00:41:51.120because of all the traffic bryce is sending you know i mean there's a whole formula he's done a
00:41:55.020great, he's done a great job. And it's funny too, because Kevin Wong was very much like a
00:41:59.660A-list, uh, paparazzi. I mean, he, he, and, and, and still is, but has shot Drake and Kylie and,
00:42:07.260and everybody under the sun in these private, both private and very public, uh, paparazzi meetups.
00:42:13.080But now over the past, I think quarantine was what did this to him. I think quarantine is what
00:42:18.120reshaped his model has very much become the influencer and uh tiktok um environment
00:42:27.960paparazzo and and his videos reflect that and he posts what five to ten videos a day right now
00:42:35.320i would say you know i think you nailed it i think covid you know uh covid really made you know i
00:42:42.860think to myself because people ask like what's the difference between a fine start and a tiktok start
00:42:46.500and i think covid is the answer because what happened with these paparazzi guys you know they
00:42:51.780they you know they made their money you know capturing celebrities out in the streets but
00:42:56.640celebrities don't go on the streets right like what's her name jennifer garner right like she
00:43:00.620can't be a scene out you know i mean like why partying well because she would get backlash
00:43:05.140because you know like hey you're in california covid's you know i mean what are you doing where's
00:43:09.080your mask you know i mean all this is all this stuff where the the tiktok stars don't care like
00:43:13.280they're going out you know why because they're young they're not employed what do you mean
00:43:19.140jennifer garner gets employed she's oh yeah yeah yeah yeah she has yeah she has a studio that could
00:43:23.860be like hey we don't you know i mean so these self-employed young stars don't have to answer
00:43:27.360to fucking anyone ever agree and they're themselves they're not playing a character
00:43:31.120they're not pretending to be someone else on screen a noble art but it's just they they have0.98
00:43:36.580the ability to give less fucks than the traditional star less but not all the way no fucks i mean a0.97
00:43:42.580lot of them still depend on brand a lot of them still don't give a fuck and youtube i think both0.98
00:43:46.660i think both them are right because johnny brought up a point right off the bat which is which is
00:43:50.080their youth financial um uh any kind of breakdown of finances or your your appearance fees is not
00:43:58.200always the reason why people because because listen jennifer if you told jennifer garner
00:44:02.540yo you can still make a hundred million next year if you go out during covid she still wouldn't do
00:44:08.440it because she doesn't want that to reflect her image i think it's it's closer to his point which
00:44:14.540is social media stars care less about their their image and their legacy than they don't care that
00:44:20.840new york times is talking about their parties i mean jennifer garner is a mother she's got it0.99
00:44:25.000she's got a whole you know legacy to leave behind her bryce hall yeah but maybe not give a shit0.77
00:44:30.720maybe not someone with the class of jennifer garner but like the youth i think could partially
00:44:36.400be attributed to where these people are going like they they don't think beforehand oh like
00:44:41.100if i go to saddle ranch there's probably a good chance that kevin wong's gonna shoot me i think
00:44:45.600they do think but but but you and i both know very well yeah the uh a-listers the ones who are a
00:44:52.080little older maybe 25 to 35 are still going out in hollywood they're going to house parties yeah
00:44:58.200the ones with no phones the one where uh if you're the person taking a video you get kicked out
00:45:03.440it's still it's still happening i just think the youth aspect lends the uh the young internet stars
00:45:11.120to a level of naivety that gets them in trouble the the old the older uh
00:45:16.540experienced maybe traditional stars are a little smarter about how they're breaking the
00:45:24.100the rules yeah yeah yeah but but but so now what's happening is so the paparazzi need to
00:45:29.160capture somebody right because they're not you know like these young guys are going out and they
00:45:32.980have that youtube clout right like they're hot you know you know bright you know upload a video
00:45:37.140bryce hall or noah beck or addison ray or even you like i saw a uh random video just came up
00:45:43.040suggested to me um catch yeah it had like at the time i had 300 000 views and it was like a paparazzi
00:45:49.100page i've never heard of you know i mean like these yeah yeah it was just the from the other
00:45:53.160night um i could tell you didn't know you you're waiting for your car oh so okay so i want to ask
00:45:58.460about this i want to ask about this i find paparazzi to be incredibly invasive i always
00:46:03.480have but at first it was like cool right oh i'm getting paparazzi like i'm i'm popular i'm
00:46:07.980important i feel good now i'm like hey i had it bro at the grove the other day i'm waiting in line
00:46:12.680uh to get shoes from nike and this girl starts tmz comes up and just sticks his camera in our0.95
00:46:18.580face and just starts asking some like just weird shit about like a farting fetish or something and0.93
00:46:23.260I was like, hey, while this is incredibly stimulating, I'd love to just, like, stand here and get my shoes and go home, like, in peace.0.98
00:46:53.260are you doing man why this job isn't for you i can't believe you're doing this i can't tell you
00:46:57.960how many hours i have watched justin people go okay okay talk to me and they'll just sit there
00:47:04.100and there's sometimes where he'll leave them and he'll just close the door like i die no he's so
00:47:09.540funny it gets old it gets old so it you're a master at forming these relationships but
00:47:16.940is there ever a conflict of interest in what with with the paparazzi i don't i don't want to put
00:47:24.260words in beaver's mouth but you know sometimes the paparazzi makes him feel uncomfortable and
00:47:30.520you're good friends with one of those people yeah is that a conflict of interest oh um oh you mean
00:47:35.480with kevin wonk yeah oh well like is beaver ever like hey johnny like what the this guy no from
00:47:41.740time and time again is sitting outside a restaurant i just took my wife on a date yeah well kevin's
00:47:46.160not one of those guys okay kevin is like the nice guy like you know i actually don't know him i think
00:47:50.620yeah kevin um i remember one up to a southern night yeah go ahead yeah i remember uh jake was
00:47:55.720at boa once um jake was at boa once and um and and i guess kevin tried to interview him and jake
00:48:03.660didn't want to deal with it so jake walked right past them and kind of gave him attitude but it
00:48:07.280didn't really know him that much and just didn't want to deal with it right just like you don't
00:48:10.240want to deal with it just sometimes sometimes right it's all circumstantial but but but kevin
00:48:14.780text me he's like hey just a heads up next time you tell jake tell him i apologize i could tell
00:48:20.180he was having a bad day like that's the kind of guy he is now some of these other guys you know
00:48:24.120maybe these newer ones are the ones who are just really thirsty yeah they get in your face you know0.94
00:48:28.640and they or they ask dumb questions you know i mean like i've seen some paparazzi guys ask some0.97
00:48:33.080questions you know some sometimes like 15 16 year old tiktokers i'm like whoa like yeah they do0.91
00:48:38.720i don't want to know about this next video please but here's my here's the way i've always looked
00:48:44.680and not to not to compare the two not to compare them you know perfectly but the garbage man when
00:48:51.380he comes to pick up the garbage sometimes comes at 7 30 in the morning the can smashed on the0.98
00:48:55.780ground so i don't want to hear that shit i'm sleeping but guess what it's a necessary service0.99
00:49:00.720to do it and people and people are making money off doing that service and so it's right and so0.98
00:49:06.620thanks for the athletes and so when you look at paparazzi there is there there are consumers to
00:49:13.300that content and there is a whole industry behind it so well me and him may not like it
00:49:18.400the industry exists right and so i think i think it comes down to people like kevin
00:49:23.680who understand that there is a boundary that exists and to respect it obviously we remember
00:49:28.840me and you remember the story of princess die and we've seen how far paparazzi's overreaction
00:49:33.800can can lead and you know a lot has changed in that space i want to i want to tie it back just
00:49:38.900a little bit to business building because this is what we're talking about earlier
00:49:42.120how do you help someone like kevin wong and i know you're not working with him from from a
00:49:48.620business perspective uh create a product because the way that the way that i've always looked at
00:49:53.220uh real influence in this world and especially building a brand around your influence is0.87
00:49:57.520if you can't make someone feel something you don't have shit that has always been my belief0.90
00:50:04.840on it so if you can't make someone feel something viscerally inside them from witnessing your your0.98
00:50:11.140content whether it's inspiration uh disgust whatever it is some sort of visceral reaction
00:50:16.640or bond to your content it's very hard to then sell a product to them so how would you instruct
00:50:23.000someone out there who doesn't make content that shows a personality or creates that bond to sell
00:50:28.740a product yeah it depends and that's a great question you know i don't think everyone has
00:50:33.520an answer like if i had an answer for every youtuber what product they should sell like
00:50:37.860you know i mean like you'd be the billion dollar man you know i mean but like i think it just
00:50:41.800hits you sometimes you know i mean it just randomly hits you like you know i mean like
00:50:46.640you know sometimes it's simple like sometimes okay dr j you're a producer you have an ear for
00:50:50.980music you should have headphones there's no one who owns a headphone space yet you know i mean
00:50:54.880okay let's do it you know sometimes a no-brainer you know i mean but sometimes it's like you know
00:50:59.860i mean sometimes it just hits you you know i mean like you know i mean the flavored sugar water
00:51:04.600that 50 cent so you know they would vitamin water you know i mean sometimes something random i don't
00:51:08.900know what the answer is for say kevin wong specifically but i think something will hit
00:51:12.640him one day you know don't could be anything i don't know you know i mean you know i wonder who
00:51:17.720the first uh social media star or social media based person will be with the first billion
00:51:26.020dollar brand you think it could be full send i think it could be full send i think it could be
00:51:32.380you one of you guys i think it could be lele i could think it'd be james charles lele lele's a
00:51:38.180machine you've been on the lele train from damn near day one she became a she became she went
00:51:47.420from viner to one of the biggest latin stars in the world how'd y'all do that you know um obviously
00:51:55.160we've got a great team when it comes to our music with interscope but at the end of the day lele's
00:51:59.760talented you know i mean just can't you know i mean i know she was here she's like it's 60
00:52:03.640johnny and sammy 40 me like no she's talented she did nine years opera you know i mean like
00:52:09.180she had music in her she didn't just wake up one day be like i want to do music you know i mean like
00:52:14.340she has you know she did nine years opera she wanted to be a musician she actually got you know
00:52:20.040her uncle is a very very popular latin artist cheyenne like like a legend in the latin community
00:52:26.400he made a video for her last song and like blew up in the latin world so like she knows her family's
00:52:30.660music she's had music you know i mean it's just she got sidetracked a little bit with vine you
00:52:35.040know when she signed up for vine and blew up you know um when she was 16 years old or so but
00:52:40.000leila's just talented she's just you know now she's got a podcast multifaceted she's funny
00:52:46.280she's funny she's got real comedy in her she's a comic like she's not like she's got like you know
00:52:51.520she's actually funnier in person sometimes than on video you know i mean like so some of the things
00:52:55.660that come out of her mouth i'm like what yeah she's wild she killed it when she came on this
00:53:00.000podcast yeah she's entertaining yeah are y'all leaning hard into the latin market um because
00:53:05.760it it looks like from an outsider's perspective it looks like it like i noticed when she really
00:53:11.400started to to dive into that market she went from you know the 20 million followers on instagram
00:53:15.700to all of a sudden for what 45 ish no she's not at 45 million i think she is it's it's to say
00:53:22.780she's probably the probably one of the most followed uh if not the most followed social
00:53:27.240social media based star on the planet i think so yeah um is it because of that international reach
00:53:32.500that that helped when she because she also hosted um the number one um tv show in mexico
00:53:38.140a couple years ago lavois which is the voice mexico it's um and she was the host and this
00:53:43.500is like i think it was like i forgot the numbers but like someone like 12 or 15 million viewers
00:53:47.680every monday watch the show and she was the main host of this show so um oh my that's the only
00:53:54.280picture it's a glow up 8.3 look at the next one though the global spotify chart wait oh my god
00:54:01.260all right wait this one no no no this one no i think yeah yeah right there she has the number
00:54:07.74023 song on the global spotify yeah that song continues to rise she showed me before it was
00:54:14.360released she wanted to play here bro she took me aside and hide four years ago hammered so drunk
00:54:20.860and she goes logan i gotta tell you something when we're in the back corner just me and lele
00:54:25.080and i was like all right look what is it i didn't know what to expect it was such a
00:54:29.560such weird timing to get deep you know she goes i want to be a big musician star a musician i want
00:54:37.020to be an artist and and make music i said that's like we were just making vines at the time right
00:54:41.700comedy sketches and she goes and i want to show you my song and she showed me one of her first
00:54:45.580songs i was stunned yeah how good she was it's so cool to see her be fruitful with that talent0.94
00:54:55.240because we know you know you and i bro we know so many people everyone in la everyone's fucking
00:54:59.400talented here yeah but being able to use that utilize it and pivot in a way where you can have0.74
00:55:05.120the number 23 global song in the world just seeing her come up man whatever you guys did
00:55:11.180behind the scenes mad admirable one other thing too with her and um what one thing that's helped
00:55:17.280is obviously starts i think it starts with number one third talent two is the team that's built
00:55:21.400around there but the third is the latin audience loves her like there's not a single hate that
00:55:28.820comes from like mexico colombia argentina spain like they like i've been to like uh latin events
00:55:35.400with their like latin grammys and uh latin billboards and like when she walks the red
00:55:40.560carpet like everyone is like oh lele pond like like they just i think they love that that that
00:55:46.640craziness humor you know i mean some people in in in the general market in the u.s might be like
00:55:51.700oh she's not funny she's you know some some people you know i mean like most people love her but
00:55:55.480some people just might be like i don't get this comedy because it's so latin that like the latin
00:56:00.900world loves her and that you know i mean that's a huge audience i mean i mean there's a billion
00:56:05.900people from latinos from canada down to chile you know in north and south north central and
00:56:12.760south america it's billion like that's you know the population of china is the population of
00:56:16.640latinos when you you know add up the americas together you know i mean and they adore her
00:56:21.340and that's that's her audience if you're making domestic content in the united states right now
00:56:25.800You come from a Latin culture or any any any culture outside of America and you are not playing into that culture in a heavy way from a marketing standpoint.
00:56:34.780You're making a massive fucking mistake because those because those audiences are so rabid and so supportive of the idea of someone from their their country making it here domestically in America.0.78
00:56:48.460that idea of making it in America continues to be such a a globally dreamed upon and rooted for0.98
00:56:55.380thing and so to see her do that has been great but I see I see other artists who do not do a
00:57:01.920good enough job of that yeah yeah I think that that also helps her too right like when she's
00:57:06.080successful in America and she's like coming on impulsive and you know you guys mess with her
00:57:10.800you know I mean it's like oh wow like that's you know I mean someone in Mexico or someone in
00:57:14.200you know and peru is like whoa you know so there's a there's a impulsive fan down there and sees lele0.98
00:57:20.840and it's like wow lele made it you know i mean impulsive you know fucks with her you know i mean0.95
00:57:25.260like you know so final step man yeah but that's how you know that's how you know you made you0.99
00:57:30.440come on this shit ryan garcia did it guess what next fight first round knockout next fight first0.99
00:57:36.220round knockout this show this show makes birth stars i'll go ahead and take all the credit for1.00
00:57:40.900later are you leaning into anwar in the middle east um yeah i mean i mean i mean that's that's
00:57:47.020just what anwar you know that that's what anwar wants that's his culture you know i mean he is
00:57:51.160he's um he's palestinian and you know he's um you know when he goes out to uh he went to palestine
00:57:56.680last year summer and same thing like there was a mob of people you know it was very similar when
00:58:01.640you went to dubai remember how crazy that was like that's what happens with anwar imagine anwar
00:58:05.260that you know one of theirs you know i got asked a lot when i was in dubai do you know anwar i'm
00:58:09.880yeah yeah yeah we went to dubai a week after you did and it was like yeah yeah yeah um but yeah
00:58:16.700anwar you know makes sense there and um you know um you know and that's someone else that's just
00:58:22.820pure comedy you know i mean like anwar needs a stand-up like we need a great stand-up get him
00:58:28.780in while you do it too man so if you're gonna do like stand-up classes please please get george
00:58:33.300involved yeah we wanted this to be we don't want it to be big um but um i'm getting a lot of shots
00:58:39.680from you today buddy i always know you know george is like now i understand your your brand shots i
00:58:46.020get it i understand it i love george so much we talked uh for a second about uh a very comedic
00:58:54.420person that's in your life sammy shahidi what has it been like building a a powerhouse of a brand
00:59:01.240a studio with your brother yeah let me tell you the difference between me and sam is going back
00:59:05.560to our earlier conversations i am the ideas guy i'm the guy who's just gonna sit and twirl my
00:59:09.820thumbs but oh all right great yep yes that works that's a great idea and then then i call sam and
00:59:16.040sam just makes it happen you know i mean like you know or tells me like hey actually i don't think
00:59:20.200it's a good idea because this and that or you know by the way you know you know someone's already
00:59:24.940doing that like your idea is actually not an idea it's already been done i was like oh man you know
00:59:29.500I mean, like he's the boots on the ground because I spent a decent amount of time with Sammy.
01:03:12.740I mean, like casually, like at a party or a wedding or something like that.
01:03:16.340right like my house alone every night what do you drink just like a glass of wine at dinner
01:03:22.760okay that's healthy and then a shot of tequila okay and then another shot um and then a few more
01:03:28.400and then some more and then i usually pass out then i wake up and i take a few more bro something
01:03:35.220about watching this puppet talk about his alcoholism is very soothing you yeah you guys
01:03:40.820are onto something it's great i think i well so what do you do what do you do with this just keep
01:03:44.540making uh you develop it into some sort of long-form show we've we've talked about that idea
01:03:50.200before covid we were actually working on a short film movie um we had rudy um you know wrote a lot
01:03:56.620of the script and you know it was supposed to you know but obviously because of production reasons
01:04:00.440it had to be on hold but now we're just making these short videos and i mean this format is great
01:04:05.660because it's perfect for the internet yeah it doesn't make the craziest amount of money but
01:04:09.160it's more fun and you know i mean and we're just building the brand and you know eventually maybe
01:04:12.640becomes a uh you know family guy south park simpsons type of thing i mean the videos are
01:04:17.780getting more views than some vloggers vlogs like they get one like plus one million views are you
01:04:23.180are you in a you and your brother like yin and yang would you say it sounds like there's a good
01:04:28.000balance between you two i think that that forms a good solid team yeah yeah i mean we are you know
01:04:33.020i mean obviously you butt heads a lot too because you're brothers so you're a lot of like call each
01:04:36.880other certain things or you know like tell someone you know i mean like you don't have to be
01:04:40.980politically correct if someone has a shitty idea you tell them to you know i mean you don't have1.00
01:04:44.220to like you know beat around the bush you just say your idea sucks you're an idiot how'd you1.00
01:04:48.380even think of that you know i mean you're allowed to say that to your brother i do that with my1.00
01:04:51.860brother a lot who you now manage that's interesting what's that like you just it's great you took jake
01:04:57.020under your wing and if i'm not mistaken the very first day that you officially were managing him0.83
01:05:03.720his house got raided by the fbi way to go buddy what the fuck are you doing that's tricky0.94
01:05:09.660press that's true yeah let me tell you something though you know a lot of people ask me why0.98
01:05:15.260jake you know i mean like why what were you thinking and let me one thing i could tell you
01:05:20.360about jake and i know you know this logan but i want everyone listening to know this is
01:05:23.440jake is um what people don't know and i'm gonna i want to share a mayweather story
01:05:27.360you know that uh reminds me of a lot of the type of person jake is jake you know to the world might
01:05:35.340come off as you know the internet's villain but jake is also the kind of guy that one day heaven
01:05:42.120forbid i have a friend of mine who maybe you know i don't but i'm just showing as an example if i
01:05:46.640were to have a friend who was struggling you know with an illness and if they needed something and
01:05:53.720i told jake about it his first thing would be how can i help you know that's the kind of person jake
01:05:58.840is off the camera you know i mean like he wouldn't be you know i know so many different people like
01:06:03.060dude i don't want to hear about this it's so negative you know i mean i'm sorry but you know
01:06:07.040i mean like i know some of you but jake would be like what do i need to do i'm sorry you know i
01:06:10.760mean he could be in the middle of training making middle of something you know i mean that's kind of
01:06:14.920you know i mean that's the kind of person i've known in you and your and your brother and uh
01:06:18.660you know that's the number one reason i was like all right jake wants to work together he could
01:06:22.800use some help i'm in because i know the real jake paul um reminds me of this story this floyd
01:06:27.920Mayweather story that I've never shared publicly, but my first meeting ever with Floyd Mayweather,
01:06:32.900we went to this diner. And the deal with me and him, there wasn't an official deal or anything
01:06:39.940yet. We were just hanging out, figuring out ways to work together. And we went to this diner in
01:06:44.400downtown Las Vegas. And they all obviously knew him. It was like this place he always goes to.
01:06:51.580I was with him. And there was this lady, our waitress, and he knew her, she knew him.
01:06:57.920And, um, and at the end of our, uh, we had, it wasn't even a dinner. It was like a three or 4am. But, um, at the end of, at the end of the meal, he asked her, I forgot her name, but he asked her, he goes, Hey, um, I just have a question to ask you. And this is, this lady was a bigger, bigger lady, you know, like, um, you know, you know, just, just very overweight. And I asked them, Hey, um, I have a question. If you had all the money in the world, what, uh, what would you do? And she goes, I would get myself out of credit card debt.
01:07:27.320And Floyd goes, no, not that. Like, what would you do to really improve your life? And she got all embarrassed. And she goes, well, it's really embarrassing, but I would actually get a breast reduction because I'm so large. It makes it hard for me to do any kind of cardio work. And it's, you know, affecting, you know, my working out and I can't work out. And, you know, like, you know, that's why I'm the size that I am.
01:07:48.720floyd goes all right how much do you think that would cost she's like i don't know so i don't know
01:07:52.640what do you think six thousand seven so i probably somewhere around there i never had a chance to
01:07:57.140look i'm a you know i work you know graveyard at a diner you know in las vegas yeah we the dinner
01:08:03.480was done and he goes into a bag and he takes out a stack of ten thousand dollars cash and puts it
01:08:09.060under the the the envelope where the bill is and he goes let's go and i go wow floyd that is
01:08:16.120incredible like what you know i mean like this you know what we should call the press we should
01:08:20.820we should let people know you did that he goes no you are not to ever do that no one could ever
01:08:25.020know that i ever did that that's for me you and her to know he's like he's like you know people
01:08:29.880are gonna want to watch me fight because they want to see me lose because they don't like me0.91
01:08:33.480that's how i'm gonna make this money oh damn you know i was like wow okay you know like all right0.98
01:08:39.420i'll just sit back he was tipping waiters ten thousand dollars off camera before youtube has0.98
01:08:44.480ever did it is there a chance that he did that knowing that it would plant the seed for you to
01:08:50.080tell that story one day here on no in fact he's probably gonna see this up that one rule he said
01:08:55.500don't tell anybody yeah no well that's 10 years ago it was over 10 and a half years ago so i could
01:08:59.580tell the story now because i wanted people to kind of understand who these kind of people are
01:09:05.200when it's not you know when they're not in front of the camera you know i mean like so many people
01:09:09.720don't know these stories so they just make their assumption i can't tell you how many people text0.97
01:09:13.680me what are you thinking working with jake paul and i'm like who you know fucking you to tell me0.94
01:09:20.440you know i mean like you don't know jake like i know jake you know i mean like you're just going0.99
01:09:23.840off fed fbi raid and you know parties at houses you know i mean you don't know the type of person
01:09:29.120he is off camera it's people believe what they see and when they only see or are fed a certain
01:09:34.680narrative sometimes i mean you can't blame them when when people tell me yeah like uh i think
01:09:40.980ninja just uh made up made a comment i think i think we have it here oh lord yeah ninja made
01:09:46.040a comment um talking about why he chose twitch over youtube gaming he said youtuber is such a
01:09:51.780bad name i don't want to say bad name it's just the news no one ever reports on a youtuber getting
01:09:56.140a million live viewers or 500 000 plus live viewers on a stream or raising millions of
01:09:59.760dollars for charity when someone like logan paul f's up right it's youtuber this youtuber this0.91
01:10:03.940youtuber this and so i have to my instagram is like oh fuck ninja well he didn't say anything0.69
01:10:09.920about you bad about you but he could have used anyone like like oh no but you have the most0.95
01:10:14.540historic is that why fuck up in the history of youtube yeah it's severity and weight of my0.71
01:10:20.380mistake was the biggest i totally i totally get it it was just so long ago and for someone who's0.86
01:10:25.160like so far removed from it my knee-jerk reaction is like my ego steps out of my body right and it's
01:10:32.140like hey but he's right he's right my my name has a weight that is carried by my actions because
01:10:40.760people were only fed a story that i chose to deliver them so i can't be mad but what he's
01:10:45.680saying but what he's saying in that quote too is that if someone on youtube fucks up it drags the
01:10:51.200platform this wasn't about you he just used you as a as a horse for his to carry his story which
01:10:56.080is that if someone on youtube fucks up it becomes a youtube thing it becomes a problem with youtube
01:11:30.320when when he's only doing certain things that the media decides to pick up and narrate and tell a
01:11:37.880certain way because i know that jake that off-camera jake that we all talk about it in this
01:11:42.440room and i do hope that one day both of us will get to a place where people are like oh these are
01:11:47.880people like these are oh they were very dynamic complex human beings look at justin bieber now
01:11:51.980yeah everyone loves just great example you know i mean he came out with holy and that was yeah but
01:11:56.600But you know what I mean? But people, you know, you know, kind of like after a while, we're like, you know, I mean, like after so many years, like this guy's a good guy.
01:12:04.440You know what I mean? Like, yeah, the media were twisting things and overreacting on certain things Justin was doing.
01:12:09.740But after some time, they're like, this guy's a good guy. Let's leave him alone.
01:12:13.360Well, that's what it is, too. I mean, it comes with a track record of breaking the mold that you've set for yourself.
01:12:20.000Like Logan, it wasn't just time that fixed his image. It was a great podcast. We had great conversation.
01:12:25.860and most importantly it's work most importantly it was not fucking up you can't no one no one's
01:12:32.300gonna forgive jake in the same month period that he had an fbi raid a covid sponsored party0.85
01:12:37.700like that's not gonna happen it takes someone like you who comes in grabs the wheel as the
01:12:43.120car's driving off the cliff straightens it out and then he drives down that street and does good
01:12:47.320stuff good stuff good stuff for three years five years and they say jake paul's reformed he's like
01:12:52.640his brother he went through the same growth or they've already left him alone or are you not
01:12:57.380trying to go down that route because are you trying to take the route of people gonna buy
01:13:01.020the jake paul fight to see jake paul and his and his fans will continue to to be his fan you know
01:13:05.780i think there's a balance between right like i think there's a there's a balance between you
01:13:10.280know um you know no you know no one wants to see the you know the good nice guy family guy walking
01:13:16.040into you know to the to the arena to fight with you know you know a bible in hand and son and
01:13:22.560daughter you know i mean husband i mean like no one wants to see that person you know i mean we
01:13:25.760saw that with pacquiao right like pacquiao was a great fighter but he was like a family man like
01:13:29.640he never sold nearly as many fights as say like floyd or some of these other people historically
01:13:35.440and he was a great fighter who got beat by floyd but you know he still was a great fighter but um
01:13:39.580and did numbers i mean don't you know he did a ton of numbers with it not nearly not nearly do
01:13:44.480you see value in uh someone who drives 500 million people to watch a fight oh sorry 50 million people
01:13:51.240to watch a fight, but is delivering a message about
01:21:11.200He gets right up next to the microphone.
01:21:12.920I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other.
01:21:16.020You've never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween.
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