00:01:54.660He gets right up next to the microphone.
00:01:56.360I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other.
00:01:59.320You've never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween.
00:02:04.820Listen to Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:02:12.220It's based on our friend growing up who used to wear his pillow.
00:02:15.300And then later in life, we take a Gatorade bottle and warm a sponge in the microwave and stick it inside the Gatorade bottle.
00:12:47.320And obviously it's a show about kids going through puberty.0.75
00:12:49.700So there's a lot of stuff with like masturbation and everything else under the sun.
00:12:54.440And I think we felt like with the lesson that I've learned personally in making that and what I want to do with the stuff I make is like you can get away with really big, crazy jokes if you also, at least in our case, like are telling kind of emotional stories that are some real truth behind it.
00:13:12.540So like anytime we're doing something insane, it's usually still in service of something that the kids are going through in in their in their world of trying to understand like who they are in puberty and their horniness.0.96
00:13:24.480But but because it's animated, we can get away with some truly insane shit.0.87
00:13:29.880I mean, it's like, yeah, so we we're always trying to ride the line.0.99
00:13:34.320But I think it's like we someone wrote a story about us, I think, after season one, that was like Big Mouth gives zero fucks.
00:13:41.200And I think we have tried to, whenever we're worried of being like,0.97
00:13:45.100as it's too far, we're always like, no, big mouth gives zero fucks.0.92
00:13:48.160And we, we, we try to adhere to that when we're, when we're writing jokes.0.95
00:13:51.880Yeah. Yeah. They really don't. I don't know if you've seen this show.
00:14:36.780we did a table read of it years and years ago and they had me come to play that villain part but
00:14:41.700they originally you know the movie was written as kind of like the original villain and most of
00:14:47.680the recording i did is that for that movie for like an animated movie you do i don't know five
00:14:52.260ten different recording sessions over the however many years it takes to make and the i had been
00:14:58.180doing it as like a british like a disney villain like jafar or something you know like one of those
00:15:03.780like oh logan like you think you're going to defeat me you know that kind of really villainy
00:15:09.120yeah yeah and so we they they were you know doing the the records for a long time then they came to
00:15:16.280me and like they're like we rewrote the pages and it was my last record for the movie and all of a
00:15:23.120sudden like i was reading it was like there was like a lot of like you know like watch out bro
00:15:27.120like that kind of vibe and i i was like this really makes sense like an english villain
00:15:32.580and then they were like well we tested it like everyone else like they were making a movie they
00:15:38.020realized like we were making they were making like a pixar movie not a disney movie so like
00:15:43.220the villain should feel more like a you know a a villain that would make sense in a pixar-ish
00:15:49.320world and they it's a douche so why wouldn't you have like a douche be the douche and like i have
00:15:57.460i have a character named bobby bottle service who i did on on like years ago and did a whole show and
00:16:04.660and that it's sort of that voice it's like come at me bro like that that kind of
00:16:09.540um which i can see done in vegas like uh at like a club one night and i was like what if there was
00:16:18.540like a talk show by guys like welcome you know welcome to the bottle service with bobby bottle
00:16:23.680service you know like what if it was like that it was a whole talk show run from there and then i
00:16:27.880built the character from there and then they were like could you do that some version of that voice
00:16:32.060for the douche and i was like i can't so i did the whole movie my whole performance is one recording
00:16:38.460session the last recording session was all on like three or four hour record and uh and i'm that's
00:16:48.120insane it worked it really worked i watched the movie twice i thought it was brilliant like i i
00:16:53.140was surprised that that merging of worlds where an animated film and they did a good job of this
00:16:59.020when they put the the trailer out for sausage party you think it's you think it's gonna be
00:17:03.520just another beautiful pixar disney animated film and then these uh groceries and the produce0.98
00:17:10.700start just fucking what the fuck is happening there's like a a world a uh a storming of0.95
00:17:18.220normandy type city like full on d-day and uh i'm watching it and and it was saving private ryan0.99
00:17:25.340oh my god it was beautiful the juxtaposition it was so refreshing and i and i couldn't believe
00:17:33.400it hadn't been done before that's why that's why i i watched it twice and i and i and i studied
00:17:37.940these films and then you guys did it with big mouth and it's it's perfect it's in not elementary
00:17:43.680but like uh an adolescent let's say middle school age kids talking and doing the most insane0.98
00:17:51.220fucking things um yeah it's it when i watched sausage party when it finally when it came out0.95
00:17:57.680we had started i think we had started working on big mouth at that point and so when i saw it i was0.99
00:18:03.100like yes they're doing what we were trying to do which is like just you hadn't really i mean you've
00:18:08.540seen it with animation like obviously like you know i grew up watching south park and and and
00:18:14.040simpsons probably and my partner sorry what's that like simpsons family guy like those kind of
00:18:20.760yeah yeah yeah my partner andrew goldberg on who's it's based on us from childhood um andrew
00:18:28.240uh had worked at family guy for like 10 years as a writer and so when we had we'd been best
00:18:34.880friends as little kids uh in met in first grade became best friends in middle school and went to
00:18:40.940summer camp this season season four big mouth so all the first part is about them going to camp
00:18:45.100together but like they we we were friends we we did like little like talent show skits and stuff
00:18:52.080i don't know oh so y'all y'all y'all had school say again did you do that kind of stuff in school
00:18:58.040when you were like a kid like were you like hosting like doing the talent show shit or no0.54
00:19:01.880too scared to honestly i was uh i was too scared yeah man i i it's funny you say you you're0.55
00:19:07.540confident like i'm confident now and i mentioned it before i really had to grow into my confidence
00:19:13.680there's a video online of me i mean we brought it up on this show before uh talking on camera
00:19:19.100as an 18 year old like fully developed like gone through puberty and it's it's like a shell of who
00:19:24.500i am now i really had to come into my own and i was always too afraid to uh do theater or uh enjoy
00:19:31.660and really let myself sink into the art and so and so kudos to you i also what what flipped what
00:19:38.040switched on you i think i think the flip switched when i found out people liked the things i was
00:19:45.640creating it gave me confidence as soon as my video started to get like some traction and when i say
00:19:50.820some traction i'm talking like 10 000 views i was like oh 10 000 people like like this enough to
00:19:55.620click on it that's that's interesting that's a lot of people and and then you know it just started0.95
00:20:00.640compounding and eventually i just became a fucking douche we're super excited to announce0.91
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00:21:13.560big mouth for a second i want to ask you um something about cancel culture because you uh
00:21:18.700You mentioned earlier that animation and cartoon kind of gives you this this almost this wall to hide behind when it comes to what you are able to say and not say without being cited by the evil mythical creatures that exist in the realm of cancel culture.
00:21:35.560Right. And you saw it with television first and then you started to see it with movies and then everybody was like, but comedy will be safe, like stand up will be safe.
00:21:43.520And then you saw that stand up wasn't safe anymore. And that started to to fucking fold under the pressure.0.95
00:21:47.780how long do you think cartoons and animation have before cancel culture says yo we don't care if you0.94
00:21:55.380if you animate these tales this is not okay these are sensitive topics and they shouldn't be talked
00:22:00.540about on cartoons you know i gotta say like i don't fully um i don't entirely share your point
00:22:08.440of view on on on like uh on it in general like i i think obviously like things people have gotten a
00:22:15.820more sensitive it's gotten more complicated how you make stuff but i still think you can get away0.51
00:22:21.400with crazy shit um and i think you have to be well i won't say you i can just i i'm honestly i try not
00:22:29.420to think too much or involve myself too much in other people's stuff like how you make things0.96
00:22:34.220what's okay what's not okay i really kind of just i'm like what's what's going on with me what what
00:22:39.720am i making is am i able to still do the jokes i want to do do i can i still tell the stories i
00:22:45.740want to tell and i think like i think you have to think for a minute more like in my case i'm like
00:22:51.460all right why am i doing this character what's this joke about who's the who's the target of
00:22:56.440this joke and for the most part any joke that i really want to make i can find my way into without
00:23:03.340like worrying too much about getting canceled or worrying too much about an uproar um i can't speak
00:23:12.500for other people. I can't speak for what other people's experiences are like standups, podcasters,
00:23:17.260YouTubers, you know, making stuff in movies. Clearly there's a lot more sensitivity out in
00:23:23.380the world. Um, but I don't think that means you still can't get away with crazy stuff. Uh, I just
00:23:29.040think you have to be, or I have to be like really clear about who, like who's, who's who I'm going
00:23:35.980after or what the joke is. So like, I just look at my show this year. It's like, you know, there's
00:23:41.920an episode in big mouth this year where andrew you know gets caught jerking off at his grant
00:23:48.840in his grandfather's like at his grandfather's funeral sitting next to his dead body you know
00:23:54.780what i mean i'm like i mean maybe we'll see maybe people won't be psyched about that but i'm like
00:23:59.600if i can still do that you know what i mean like also i i i was just gonna say about that particular
00:24:06.040topic though i don't i don't see the uh dead grandfather society of america getting too
00:24:10.340inflamed with that particular scenario you know sure sure but like you know we get we've we've
00:24:17.260had blowback from stuff and and some of it i feel like is you know i'm like oh come on guys and
00:24:23.400then other stuff i've been like all right fair enough like i'll take a look at that i'll figure
00:24:27.880out i think it's i think it's all circumstantial i think i think some things are are bogus and kind
00:24:32.560of ridiculous i think some things you got to listen uh and and man you guys really pull no
00:24:37.340punches even like uh someone at netflix because i had you on the show give me a code i i watched
00:24:43.800i'm six episodes in uh season four it's it's fantastic uh the first episode's hilarious
00:24:50.160i'm gonna re-watch it a thousand times but i think episode three um you're talking about the
00:24:55.980summer camp yeah and uh there was a transgender character and just even just like uh some of the
00:25:03.720jokes around that i'm so removed from that world you know i don't know the intricacies of what is
00:25:11.140okay and what's not and uh you guys so confidently addressed it and went for it and i think
00:25:18.800that's what makes it work yeah well i mean i think we'll see you know like i think we're
00:25:27.520see what happens i guess are you are you are you ready for are you ready for blowback or
00:25:33.240i mean i'm ready for like we we look again like my feeling is we want to talk about you know the
00:25:43.860show is about puberty it's about kids it's about human development it's about sexual development
00:25:49.260yeah um and we it started based on me and andrew two like white jewish kids from
00:25:54.720westchester county and we wanted to tell more stories so we started talking about all different
00:25:59.940types of kids and all different types of situations and we and so you know we would be we thought it
00:26:06.800would be interesting to talk about a a trans uh kid and and you know i think we are we try to be
00:26:13.500again both like responsible to what that story is and what that representation means to people
00:26:20.020but also not like soft about it and not like tiptoe around it or make and not or not like
00:26:26.640let that character be funny or have other elements that aren't about their transness or anything like
00:26:31.740that like and having people in that room you know of all types of like you know our writer's room
00:26:38.820is is a diverse room because we want like i want the specificity i know what it's like to be like0.60
00:26:43.980a white jewish kid from westchester like what that kid wants to jerk off to right but i don't know0.64
00:26:48.600like i don't know what like you know uh a queer woman or a black boy or a trans woman like what0.97
00:26:56.720their situation was going through puberty so we want those people around so that they can help0.97
00:27:02.080tell that story because they're all funny as fuck too and they don't want to make a soft show they
00:27:06.400want to make something that's funny that also speaks to their experience so like i think you0.68
00:27:10.900can my look hope is that we can do it all like whether we will succeed or not i don't know but
00:27:17.120like we will my goal is always to be like how can we go full throttle and also be mindful of what
00:27:24.480stories we're telling and that kids are going to watch it and like what are the what are they what
00:27:29.240are they seeing inside of that and you know what i mean just like it's like the show that i you know
00:27:33.640i want to make the show that i wish existed when i was a kid you know thousand percent a thousand
00:27:38.020percent agree and i and i'm uh i'm optimistic like you and i don't think there's going to be
00:27:41.920any issues because you guys don't pull any punches and I can imagine your writer's room
00:27:47.660even watching uh the episodes I'm like yo it has to be eclectic because every character speaks from
00:27:53.100a place of of truth so it seems like even even uh the um upbringing and the experiences of of that
00:28:01.740transgender character it just it seems very real and I think where you guys succeed is your arc
00:28:08.140you said it there's heart in the show there's emotion and by the end of every episode each
00:28:14.200character has had an arc or learned some lesson or there's been there's been some sort of
00:28:19.100development that for me anyways coming from a person who now is hypersensitive about being
00:28:24.340canceled i'm like oh this is why it works because you hit the nail on the head and then you build
00:28:29.540the house yeah can i is that an analogy i think it works i think it works i like that hit the nail
00:28:35.420you gotta you know you gotta build the house with nails is that what i'm sure there's nails
00:28:39.620in houses yeah but yeah no you gotta like you gotta get a rock hard boner and use that to nail
00:28:45.460in dude dude dude i i uh i thought you and andrew had grown up together in real life hearing it from
00:28:51.820you is is amazing i can't believe this friendship has has uh blossomed into two creative geniuses
00:28:58.620we're now working on an amazing show together yeah man we've known each other since we were
00:29:03.620six it's crazy it's like and you know now and it could have gone it could have gone bad you know
00:29:08.500it's like you work with your friend you don't know and like you hope it you hope it works out
00:29:12.880and uh it's been great it's been really and all the people on the show like you know john milaney
00:29:18.600voices uh andrew the character and john and i have been friends since college and you know
00:29:23.940jason manzoukas uh whom people might know as like rafi from the league and every other show on tv
00:29:30.120and he and I have been friends early days in New York and mine and Chelsea
00:29:34.020Freddie and Jenny Slate and Armisen Maya Rudolph though they're all people that
00:29:39.600Jordan Peele they're all people that I've become friends with over the years
00:29:42.480and you know I have like like been able to bring it's like your show it's like
00:29:47.640you bring your you bring your people together and and like there's there's
00:29:51.900if you can bring your people together who all like each other there's hopefully
00:29:54.720gonna be chemistry you know I was so happy to see Seth Rogen in season four0.93
00:29:59.640yeah right off the bat Seth fucking a legend it's such a it's such an incestual little like
00:30:05.720circle as you just brought up Jordan Peele too I was watching the new uh I was watching that0.96
00:30:09.880Twilight Zone reboot the other day and I saw Seth in one of those uh episodes and it's just so funny
00:30:15.400to see everybody work together and you know right now me right now me and Logan obviously have that
00:30:20.460kind of uh that friendship and working relationship have you ever had uh pitfalls shortcomings0.86
00:30:27.380arguments any fights that almost led to bigger beefs with with the homies you know every once0.97
00:30:33.640in a while look it's it's like everybody's got their own uh everyone's got their own like
00:30:39.320relationships and it's their complicated moments for people but like for the most part i've been
00:30:43.720pretty good like i don't know i don't i'm not a i don't like conflict very much so i i get um
00:30:49.820did you know did you just get engaged i'm not currently challenging floyd mayweather to fight
00:30:54.640So like, I'm not, it's not, uh, uh, it's not in my DNA exactly.
00:31:00.420Uh, which, uh, you know, like, so I, I haven't, I haven't had that many major problems with
00:59:05.820but like um we were because we were living between i was in la she was in new york and we
00:59:10.700were kind of going back and forth but we really moved in oh like a year like over a year we were
00:59:17.620like let's start really living together either in new york or la and a year a year oh he oh he's0.59
00:59:24.160coming up i hate you i hate this i wish you i would can you go back in time and say something
00:59:29.500a little longer how long did you say it was because there was a zoom uh connection breakup0.90
00:59:33.680when you said yeah there was is uh um but i you know but if i had had a bed best if i had a best
00:59:41.520friend podcasting partner you know maybe it would have taken two three years okay perfect that's
00:59:47.040exactly what we need that's exactly what we need thank you and harry styles was the first one we
00:59:52.480found out right he helped you come up with the proposal idea yeah he i mean he he um i was
00:59:58.400talking to the cast of this movie that i'm shooting and he you know we were just i was sort of like
01:00:03.660trying to figure out how i was going to propose and uh in in talking to them and the writer katie
01:00:09.360and we were kind of uh i came i was like oh maybe it should be in like a moving like because we just
01:00:14.740moved into our new house and and it happened then the next day i i proposed like in the middle of
01:00:20.240unpacking our boxes i put the ring and like a bunch of flowers in this box and i was like can
01:00:25.860open it and she was like okay and and saw it obviously and said yes it was really beautiful
01:00:32.100and and it just happened that like harry texted me to be like you know what how to go like what
01:00:38.880happened and and i was like she said you know like yeah she said yes so and then we called our
01:00:44.160parents so literally harry styles was the first person to know that we were engaged yeah yeah so
01:00:48.820you called you called a daddy before your own dad hairstyles is he's quite the guy uh0.85
01:00:56.420he is man he's a he's he's a he is like you know he's just a fucking good dude he's like a nice guy0.88
01:01:05.020and uh just a thoughtful guy and he's in the he's in the movie the movie uh that you're in with him0.88
01:01:11.360chris chris don't worry darling don't worry darling right we're shooting it right now it's
01:01:15.880him and uh Florence Pugh and and Chris Pine and a bunch of really great cast and Olivia Wilde's
01:01:22.240directing it um Olivia Olivia Wilde um man I heard she was she recently single um I I think
01:01:32.860it was announced that uh yeah I don't I'm I'm not sure um yeah that's crazy I am too if you want to
01:01:40.620like i don't know just like plant a seed you know she i mean i'll pass along that you are
01:01:46.340hey dude i just uh she's she's she's phenomenal she's fantastic i mean you know you know from
01:01:53.740from her ability as an actress to even even more so as her her ability as a director yeah
01:01:59.100have you guys seen book smart i have it's it's fantastic really funny and smart she's she's
01:02:05.260like, she really is super talented and so cool. And, uh, it's really, it's, it's fun being
01:02:11.480directed by someone who's an actor. Cause they, they kind of, you know, they know what it's like
01:02:15.600to be an actor. She's great. She's like super, uh, and it's, uh, yeah, it's been really fun.
01:02:22.020It's a good, it's a really good group of people. It's weird though. Like,
01:02:24.780you know, we haven't like, I don't know, you guys, you guys have your like pod there,
01:02:28.460you know, like it's weird, uh, going back out in the world in any way,
01:02:34.380you know what i mean like yeah like kind of like existing out in the world i don't know
01:02:39.040you know so you know i i i hear what you're saying but i will go out in the world if i
01:02:43.860get to go on a date with olivia wild anyway i'm just saying forget i said any of it just forget
01:02:48.880it didn't even happen he probably is going to be doing logan how are you doing emotionally
01:02:53.000from your breakup how does it feel how are you good i'm good it's weird it's weird i talked
01:02:56.320about this it's like uh you develop uh not just a habit but this person becomes part of your
01:03:02.240behavior it's just fully integrated into your life and memory yeah you know a movie we watched
01:03:06.740uh um what's a movie where jim carrey tries a eternal sunshine of oh spotless mind yeah but
01:03:14.060you know that doesn't exist in real life so it's just fully ingrained forever and you have to
01:03:19.220uh have you lived with previous girlfriends pretty much i mean no no but i find myself
01:03:28.060intertwined often with with the person like i i really uh i devote myself entanglements
01:03:35.520codependent uh no not codependent that's that's i think part of my my uh my issue is that i'm a
01:03:42.780maybe a little too independent the fact that i'm 25 and like i'm still i'm still young i'm hungry
01:03:47.780i'm passionate i have things i i still want to get done so while i i in my mind am fully devoting
01:03:54.260myself to this relationship sometimes i hear the saying hey i need a little more and i say this is
01:04:00.140i'm this is the i'm the stump at the end of the giving tree lady i got nothing left to give this
01:04:06.080is all i got yeah yeah yeah i mean it's look you're i mean you're 25 it's like you know like
01:04:10.940and it's partly why it took me longer to to settle down or to like not settle down but to like you
01:04:18.260know choose some because it was like it took me a while then to be ready to commit myself to put0.95
01:04:24.140someone else first because it's like you got shit to do like not in a gross way but in like a like
01:04:30.120i got stuff i got my goals i got my aspirations like and it was it's tough to switch your priority0.95
01:04:36.860list you know well sometimes in your life it's impossible because i mean in all honesty this is
01:04:41.880exactly where i'm at right now too and i'm 10 years older than than him and i'm 35 there's
01:04:46.660people looking at me like yo grandpa like you got a hot a smoking hot girlfriend why aren't you why
01:04:51.180aren't you locking that down and she's messaging me saying hey listen i need more time you let you
01:04:56.760left you know at this time you didn't you don't spend enough time with me and we wanted to ask
01:05:01.180you what what habits of yours you know annoy your partner and the one that i'm the one that i'm
01:05:05.560dealing with right now is this inability to offer enough uh cuddle time sweet talk like yo i got a
01:05:13.000podcast a youtube channel a twitch channel a clothing brand a book a movie like it's really
01:05:17.740hard to do that how did you do that well it's i mean that weirdly if you want to i mean like uh
01:05:24.100the uh this season on big mouth you'll get there logan you're not there yet in the you know
01:05:28.820there a lot of it ends up being there's a whole episode that takes place in the future uh with uh
01:05:34.560i just i just watched it i just watched it it was amazing yeah thanks so it's like and it keeps
01:05:40.540going it's really about like honestly about what you're talking about which is like you know nick
01:05:46.240birch this kid and and his anxiety is is about like what's going to happen when i'm older like
01:05:52.000can i like am i going to be alone and it was something that i was dealing when we were writing
01:05:56.580it was like at this crossroads in my relationship where i was like am i going to like surrender to
01:06:03.740the intimacy of this relationship like and i don't mean surrender in like a gross like a like oh she
01:06:08.920wanted to lock me up and it's like like in that way that's like do i am i ready to to like be like
01:06:16.560all right yes you we're gonna like do i mean there's the cuddle time but there's also just
01:06:21.340like i'm gonna emotionally open up to you i'm gonna be allow myself to be needed i'm gonna
01:06:26.940allow myself to need someone else like and those are big hard things to accept even if you're not
01:06:33.140like a bad dude or a bad and there are plenty of women who are the same way who were like i'm not
01:06:37.880ready to fucking jump all the way I mean I think women are more willing to take that leap than men
01:06:42.440are yeah but I think like so it was something that I've been grappling with my much of my adult life0.98
01:06:47.820which was like I want to go do this I want to go build a career I want to like so I'm going to put
01:06:51.880myself first because I need to like go I got shit to do but when you find that right person you can
01:06:58.280find that right person but also you might not be ready to be the right person for them in return0.84
01:07:03.620So you can't fully jump in, you know, like you, you keep your walls up and that wall might be like, like a real like wall of like, I'm not coming home to cuddle or it's like, I'm going to spend time to you and I'm not going to let you know where I'm actually at. I'm not going to tell you when I'm angry with you because I don't want to have that conflict or I'm not going to like hear you when you say X, Y, or Z. Like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to like try to change who I am because I'm not willing to sacrifice that.
01:07:30.940You're talking from a very elevated plane