Impaulsive with Logan Paul - November 16, 2021


E301 Why Bitcoin Will Die (w⧸ Peter Schiff)

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E300 Our 300th And Worst Episode Ever E302 Hooking Up With My Best Friend's Ex

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00:02:12.760 Especially when you start talking about the Dogecoin.
00:02:15.820 And they talk about how, well, that coin is a joke.
00:02:19.360 They don't get the joke because Bitcoin is the same thing.
00:02:21.860 I mean, that's the point.
00:02:23.860 Is that anything you can say negative about Dogecoin,
00:02:27.220 you can say the exact same thing about Bitcoin.
00:02:29.580 No chance, Alex Cooper
00:02:38.220 No shot
00:02:40.060 No chance, dude
00:02:42.080 Not like this
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00:03:11.200 list you know I think we can all agree
00:03:13.240 Jay Shetty you know
00:03:14.500 Jay Shetty's so hard I'm just kidding
00:03:17.080 he's his sweetheart he's changing
00:03:19.180 the world he's so great dude
00:03:21.260 he's the best and Alex
00:03:23.260 Cooper who you opened with
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00:03:27.280 you don't think uh no shot alex cooper no no shot can i tell you something bro well she's gonna
00:03:33.120 yep 100 when i say no shot it's she's winning i was so sad i like texted my mom and dad i was
00:03:41.500 like we got nominated for a streaming and then i found that out i go never mind don't even show up
00:03:46.160 here's the thing about how did she's on spotify exclusive like are they that's why i'll tell you
00:03:51.600 why best podcast she is a podcast she's audio only yes uh syndicated picked up by spotify
00:04:00.580 one of the best in the business and we if i'm being honest with you although we are a podcast
00:04:06.260 and if you're only listening to this do you even know what we look like even we're a youtube show
00:04:11.580 is what we are we're a youtube show veiled and disguised as a podcast and maybe one day we'll
00:04:16.280 go audio only we've even talked about it but our audience doesn't seem to to like that they think
00:04:20.660 we're too hot also nominated um crazily airily hayden hillier smith for for editing uh you know
00:04:31.340 actually hayden hillier smith for editing logan paul's editor uh logan produced one piece of
00:04:38.920 youtube four pieces of youtube content this year but they deemed that uh to be enough for the for
00:04:44.180 the best editing knob nod up against uh emma chamberlain which was a strange addition to that 0.93
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00:04:55.900 makes it makes a mean cut bro but it yeah i guess makes a mean cut yeah maybe it's crazy she's in
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00:05:07.820 both of our categories yep no she's in the podcast no she's not she has a podcast oh then dude she's
00:05:14.060 winning not she's bro i wouldn't be surprised do you have any idea how high she's uh she charts 0.98
00:05:19.920 not higher than alex cooper nah nah hard cut oh shit she'd be that oh shit nah nah well it depends 1.00
00:05:30.840 because cooper's cooper spot is spotify only so on apple obviously emma rocks her shit well at 1.00
00:05:38.140 I think on YouTube 1.00
00:05:40.760 We'd be rocking pretty hard
00:05:43.340 Yeah we got YouTube locked up
00:05:44.740 Hey listen let's keep our hearts in the right place
00:05:47.360 Maybe we'll take it home
00:05:48.200 Is it a voting thing by the way
00:05:50.040 Other people pick it
00:05:51.740 I think it's paid 1.00
00:05:53.400 I think we probably could write a check and get that fucker 1.00
00:05:55.640 Logan 0.99
00:05:56.000 I would like another streamie
00:06:01.080 I haven't had a streamie yet
00:06:02.620 And even if we didn't have enough money to buy the award
00:06:05.380 Our guest today 0.98
00:06:07.080 definitely fucking does. 0.99
00:06:09.120 Our guest today is an economist, a financial 0.99
00:06:11.040 broker, author, and one of the most prominent figures in the
00:06:13.060 world of finance today. He's famous for predicting
00:06:14.960 the 08 economic crash and is a
00:06:16.920 staunch opponent of cryptocurrency.
00:06:19.200 He's the host of the Peter Schiff show
00:06:20.800 podcast. It's Peter Stiff.
00:06:24.920 Peter Stiff. You see what I did there?
00:06:27.240 Don't give away my porn name.
00:06:30.480 He goes, he goes, uh, before he walked in today,
00:06:32.820 he goes, hey, uh, my friend said, uh,
00:06:34.960 that's, how you talking, my man?
00:06:37.080 only in his mind no he said my friends uh said you interview a lot of porn stars so watch this
00:06:42.980 i i mean i did a i did a calm up uh stand-up comic sketch about you know he's not just my
00:06:48.320 friend he's your landlord oh no yeah he's the guy that rented you the building
00:06:53.400 oh which by the way you know it this was this building used to be a county courthouse and
00:07:01.740 there was a jail on the where you have your gym hilarious i knew you guys would end up there
00:07:06.660 i knew you guys would end up there so in many ways we're just still behind bars
00:07:11.760 that's fascinating dude so we turned it into a boxing gym downstairs right there there was an
00:07:17.740 actual gym upstairs oh my god above the above the courthouse how long wait how long have you lived
00:07:22.420 you you're you know well no i just know the guy that bought it okay and i watched when he was
00:07:28.020 you know redesigning this building and he showed me around and i saw the jail cell downstairs and
00:07:32.900 but by then this was gone no inmates no no but i don't and i don't know how long the building was
00:07:39.840 on the market before this guy bought it but it was before i got here well look dude we are happy to
00:07:45.480 have you we've you and i have tried to do this for probably a year i think i don't know if it's
00:07:51.040 been that long we were in each other's emails i think a while ago yeah we met at that dinner
00:07:55.540 at um at mark's house yep yep absolutely condo yep so dude you're you're you're fascinating
00:08:01.820 you're uh you know i i don't i don't really know what you are because you are a lot of things
00:08:08.380 i just watched you do a stand-up comedy routine yeah well i called myself a stand-up economist
00:08:14.500 we should have him explain it properly because calling him anything stand-up related like that's
00:08:20.120 a passion of yours now obviously well what are you but what are you known no well well that was
00:08:24.360 that was in an event in new york it was a competition it was a lot of reporters and
00:08:28.100 somehow i got invited to compete in it i ended up getting second place you were funny i don't
00:08:34.120 remember the lady who won but i remember who came in third i don't know if you ever watch on fox
00:08:39.020 news charles pain no yeah i know yeah yeah charles the republican black guy and he was funny he came
00:08:45.640 in third and i forget you know who else was there but i remember charles because i i've been on his
00:08:50.420 show a number of times so i like i like charles but that was like i forget if it was a charity
00:08:55.420 event or or why i did it but it was new york funniest reporters but what i do for a living
00:09:01.020 is i manage money for people mainly i mean i have other businesses as well um but that's that's the 0.99
00:09:07.580 my main business let's cut the shit peter yeah you're rich come on probably not as rich as you 0.99
00:09:12.500 here we go we got a dick swing no shot george you want to talk about i'm a little older than 1.00
00:09:18.820 you so you maybe you haven't caught me yet but i think you're i certainly wasn't at your level at 0.93
00:09:23.240 your age but regardless you're definitely known for both your wealth and your knowledge of wealth
00:09:29.260 and your knowledge of moving wealth in the correct way and and it's it's funny because you are
00:09:34.520 against cryptocurrency right that's like part of the shtick of peter's and i'd be although i'd be
00:09:40.300 a lot wealthier had i bought some when i first heard about them right i mean well i heard you
00:09:44.260 did no no i've never bought any oh you didn't lose wait huh isn't there like a famous thing
00:09:50.100 you lost all your bitcoin oh yeah but i didn't buy those those were given to me how many but
00:09:54.140 well it wasn't even a whole bitcoin it's not like i had a bunch right but people gifted me i had this
00:09:59.600 wallet that i got and actually i did this debate with this guy eric vorhees in new york city it
00:10:05.960 was like a big you know years ago and he's one of the you know crypto original crypto guys and so i
00:10:11.740 did this it was a soho event it was a bitcoin you can see the debate on uh on youtube it's got a lot
00:10:17.620 of views but we went out to dinner after the debate right and so eric takes my phone and he
00:10:25.860 opens up a wallet for me for crypto it's the first crypto wallet i had and then he transferred me a
00:10:31.580 hundred dollars worth of bitcoin and i transferred him back 50 and i walked out of the dinner with
00:10:37.140 fifty dollars worth of bitcoin so that was my wallet and then at some point i put my wallet
00:10:42.420 out there on twitter or something somebody had said hey where's your wallet i'll give you a hundred
00:10:46.680 bucks so i put my my um my wallet out there oh yeah it was anthony pompliano he has a pop so
00:10:54.540 pom said i'll give you a hundred dollars put out what's your so i put out my address pom never
00:10:59.820 sent me the hundred dollars but a bunch of other people sent me money and i had about you know i
00:11:04.520 don't know seven grand you know worth of bitcoin i think i had about a quarter a third of a bitcoin
00:11:11.040 not quite a half of bitcoin and so i had that in my wallet and i had a couple people sent me i had
00:11:16.680 some ether i think i had maybe one other currency in there but anyway so one day i went to my wallet
00:11:23.120 to kind of see you know what i had in there and i couldn't get in it said my password wasn't valid
00:11:30.320 and i only knew one password which was this pin number which i had like like you know for atm
00:11:36.320 that's all i knew so i couldn't get in i contacted the owner of the company they couldn't figure out
00:11:43.000 how i said well it's gone i didn't i said well what's your seed phrase i never knew my no one
00:11:47.260 ever told me my seed phrase but a lot of people made fun of me because i thought the wallet forgot
00:11:51.860 the password i just didn't realize that i never knew the password the only thing i ever knew was
00:11:56.300 the pin and once the pin stopped working because they i don't know they they did something with
00:12:01.140 the software and they said okay you got to put your password in again so i my my bitcoin are out
00:12:06.380 there now i just have no access to them there's a lot of bitcoin that are out there that a lot of
00:12:10.980 people don't have access to oh yeah i think a third of them have been lost it's insane i don't
00:12:15.460 know the stat but it's just floating in the ether never to be claimed because someone forgot a
00:12:19.340 password i was gonna make i was gonna jab at you a little bit i was gonna say maybe someone who
00:12:23.180 can't remember a password doesn't deserve that i never do my i know no so i know but i i had
00:12:29.240 this conversation with chase yesterday on the on the plane ride down here and i said
00:12:33.280 you know as of right now a lot of the action around bitcoin and ethereum and cryptocurrency
00:12:38.600 in general happens within this silo of people it's a bunch of this there's new people getting
00:12:43.280 in every day of course but i believe that the experience that you had will act as a core
00:12:49.820 obstacle for the inherent uh use from the overall and general population you you are working with a
00:12:56.700 currency that if you lose your password you lose your money yeah it is the only that's not the main
00:13:05.740 problem with bitcoin because you know you can you can drop there we go he's like that's why
00:13:11.080 bitcoin sucks look look you can lose like you you can you can lose cash right sometimes you
00:13:17.040 know you walk around there's a 20 bill a 50 bill on the ground someone dropped it right they lost 0.98
00:13:21.920 it right if you're careless you can lose your cash um and so the same thing can happen with
00:13:26.440 bitcoin the big problem with bitcoin is it's not money and it's not really currency it's just a
00:13:30.660 digital token and it has no actual value other than the fact that people believe it has value
00:13:36.220 you were describing currency well in a way fight in a way you're describing currency what is what
00:13:43.200 But it's fiat.
00:13:44.360 Right.
00:13:44.940 Well, in fact, a lot of people didn't even know what fiat was until Bitcoin came on.
00:13:48.180 People started using the term.
00:13:49.420 Fiat currency.
00:13:50.180 But before they had fiat currency, we had legitimate currency.
00:13:55.280 And the difference between actual currency and fiat currency is that when you have real currency, it's backed by money.
00:14:02.080 So what is the money that gives currency value?
00:14:04.840 Well, money is a commodity.
00:14:06.560 In the United States, legally, money was gold or silver.
00:14:09.960 So gold or silver was our money.
00:14:12.100 But instead of carrying around your gold, you could carry around paper currency that was backed by that gold.
00:14:20.580 So what gave the currency value was the gold that backed it up because the paper itself didn't have any value.
00:14:26.560 What gave it value was a metal gold that was behind it and you could redeem your paper and get gold.
00:14:33.620 But we went off the gold standard completely in 1971.
00:14:37.800 We went off it, you know, we started to go off it in 1933 with FDR, but we went off it completely.
00:14:44.120 And when the dollar or the Federal Reserve, though, was no longer backed by real money, it just became fiat.
00:14:49.960 It just became currency that's backed by nothing.
00:14:51.800 So in that sense, Bitcoin and current U.S. currency have that in common in that there's no intrinsic value in our currency.
00:15:00.620 But it still functions as a medium of exchange.
00:15:03.360 It functions as a unit of account.
00:15:05.660 It is legal tender.
00:15:07.800 You know, if you want to pay taxes or not, if you want to, when you pay your taxes, the government demands that you pay the taxes in dollars.
00:15:17.240 So everybody needs dollars to pay their taxes. So there's a you know, there's there's there's a need for it.
00:15:23.360 Right. Because if you don't want to go to jail or something, you have to have dollars to give to the government on April 15th.
00:15:30.340 So that creates some type of value for the dollar in that it's your get-out-of-jail
00:15:35.080 card because the government is demanding that you pay it.
00:15:38.720 But also, there's a long tradition of use and acceptance in fiat currencies.
00:15:45.920 People are more likely to accept it, but over time, it's going to lose value.
00:15:51.680 All fiat currencies lose value over time, and eventually, they become worthless because
00:15:55.900 ultimately, the governments abuse the ability to continue to issue them.
00:16:00.340 and i think we are headed for a currency crisis in the united states i think we're printing we're
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00:17:26.820 I have in my notes here, famously said,
00:17:28.600 the United States is like the Titanic
00:17:30.000 and I'm here with the flight boat
00:17:31.380 trying to get people to leave the ship.
00:17:32.920 I see a real financial crisis coming for the United States.
00:17:36.100 So you predicted it once
00:17:37.140 and you're saying it's going to happen again.
00:17:38.840 Well, the real crisis that I'm predicting
00:17:41.420 is a currency crisis,
00:17:42.580 not just the one that happened in 2008.
00:17:45.460 The financial crisis was part of my prediction
00:17:48.280 because I saw that coming early on
00:17:50.640 with the housing bubble
00:17:51.560 and the mistakes that the Federal Reserve made back then.
00:17:54.620 But I always believed that the consequences would be a dollar crisis, because I knew that
00:18:02.340 when I was forecasting the 08 financial crisis, that the government would make the mistake
00:18:08.440 of trying to bail everybody out and prop everything up, that they would slash interest rates and
00:18:14.120 print all this money.
00:18:15.500 And I knew that that would ultimately cause a crisis in the dollar.
00:18:19.280 I just didn't realize it would take so long, because the financial crisis happened 12 years
00:18:24.020 ago. And we still haven't had the dollar crisis. But I think that crisis is coming. A lot of people
00:18:30.160 think they're prepared for that crisis by owning Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies. But I don't
00:18:35.100 think so. I mean, I think there could be a crisis in the cryptocurrencies long before there's a
00:18:40.020 crisis in national fiat currencies. Let's call it the currency crisis.
00:18:44.660 Yes. What does it look like? Well, it looks like inflation. And we already see that now. You can
00:18:50.360 see the beginnings of that. There's a lot of inflation that's now obvious. You can see it in
00:18:56.100 consumer prices. You've got the government telling us not to worry about it because it's all
00:19:01.520 transitory. But if you remember early on in the financial crisis, they said, don't worry about
00:19:07.420 the subprime mortgage problem because that's contained. And I was saying at the time that
00:19:13.800 they were wrong, that the Federal Reserve was wrong, that it wasn't contained,
00:19:16.980 than what we saw in subprime was the tip of this huge iceberg.
00:19:21.120 And I was right about that.
00:19:22.960 Well, the same thing is happening now.
00:19:24.680 I mean, the inflation problem is as transitory as the subprime problem was contained.
00:19:32.300 But then what does that look like?
00:19:34.080 It looks bad.
00:19:36.000 What happens?
00:19:36.520 Well, as an American, what a lot of people don't seem to realize is our whole standard
00:19:41.960 of living is a function of our ability to take the paper money that the Federal Reserve creates
00:19:48.420 and buy all the stuff that people all around the world produce, right? So we exchange money we
00:19:54.620 print for the stuff everybody else makes. Well, it's a lot harder to make stuff than just print
00:20:00.460 money, right? In fact, they don't even have to print it anymore. They just create it digitally,
00:20:04.840 right? The Fed just conjures it into existence in the bank accounts. And then we go on and we buy
00:20:10.760 stuff and we have a service economy right most people in america don't go to a factory and make
00:20:17.520 anything right what they do for a living is they provide some type of service but we buy all kinds
00:20:23.280 of stuff right you go into a into a store and buy stuff where is it made i mean look around your
00:20:28.860 studio none of this equipment is made in america all of it is imported in other words made in
00:20:34.840 germany or i was made in america huh i was made in america well i'm talking about the stuff i'm a
00:20:40.280 hefty piece i'm a hefty piece of equipment my friend all right this this is us this is horrifying
00:20:45.560 it's horrifying and i'm asking questions because i i want to know the answer i know it looks
00:20:50.100 or like is this the apocalypse yeah well i mean it's gonna be pretty bad but at one point you
00:20:55.440 know before you were born even when i was a kid everything all the electronic equipment was made
00:21:00.880 in america i mean you wouldn't buy something i mean if it was made in japan it would be junk
00:21:05.280 right people used to make fun of stuff all the time that was made in japan right because it was 0.99
00:21:08.780 crap. We made everything in America. We manufactured all the stuff that we now import. But we don't do 0.96
00:21:14.900 that anymore. And that's a lot of that had to do with regulations and taxes that made us less
00:21:21.020 competitive. But also because of the Fed keeping interest rates artificially low, we didn't save.
00:21:26.520 And so we didn't do the capital investment required to build all this stuff. But our whole
00:21:32.020 standard of living is based on our ability to export paper money that we print. And that's
00:21:38.260 because the US dollar is the primary reserve currency. So all these central banks around
00:21:43.620 the world want dollars. Oil is priced in dollars. People buy oil from OPEC. Even if you're in
00:21:50.780 Australia and you're buying oil from Saudi Arabia, you're paying US dollars, right? So people need
00:21:56.220 US dollars for a lot of things. A lot of transactions, you have maybe Brazil is doing
00:22:01.480 a deal with Japan. They're not even using yen. They're not using real. They're using dollars.
00:22:06.720 So the dollars are being used outside the United States, and all that benefits us because
00:22:11.560 we print them.
00:22:12.400 It costs us nothing, and we send them out there, and we get stuff.
00:22:17.520 Right.
00:22:17.780 But the problem is we've borrowed all this money.
00:22:20.100 We have a tremendous amount of debt.
00:22:21.840 We can't finance it, so we have to print more and more money.
00:22:25.440 And as we print more money, that decreases the value of the money that's out there. 1.00
00:22:29.360 And I think at some point soon, foreigners are not going to want to just hold on to our 0.97
00:22:34.640 dollars. 0.81
00:22:35.160 What they do with the dollars is they invest them in U.S. treasuries, right?
00:22:39.140 They buy government bonds, but those government bonds pay next to nothing.
00:22:43.620 The yield on a 10-year treasury is 1.6%.
00:22:47.140 On a 30-year treasury, it's about 2%, but inflation is at least 6%, but it's probably
00:22:54.280 more like 10 or higher.
00:22:56.160 So you're a guaranteed loser if you hold on to U.S. treasuries, especially if you're
00:23:01.300 looking at them from the prism of one of our creditors who has to look at the value of those
00:23:06.200 treasuries in terms of their own currency. And so as the dollar starts to sink, our creditors
00:23:12.320 are losing a lot holding onto those treasuries. And I don't think they're going to want to do it.
00:23:16.840 So I think that the dollar is going to collapse. And then we're not going to be able to import
00:23:22.980 stuff unless we can export something else to pay for it. Right now, we have a trade deficit every
00:23:28.240 month of about 80 billion dollars so you're like a trillion dollars a year and if you look at all
00:23:34.000 these ships you guys you know out in california long all these yeah all those ships that are
00:23:38.540 coming to long beach and san pedro and los angeles right they're they're loaded up so high with
00:23:44.080 containers some of them fall off in the ocean on the way over and i heard that that whole situation
00:23:48.700 isn't as uh simple as it's being explained either because from what i understand trucks are going
00:23:53.800 there every day and they're leaving empty they're not getting loaded with the containers the other
00:23:57.520 thing that's empty is when the containers go back to asia they're empty we got nothing to put in
00:24:03.060 there of course it's one-way trade what are we exporting nowadays that that is of matter like
00:24:08.140 well you know what we have we export raw materials like agricultural products or you know stuff that
00:24:14.240 we dig out of the ground or we grow it's like we're a colony i mean all the real stuff is done
00:24:19.880 outside the united states we ship china raw materials and they ship us finished goods right
00:24:26.240 The high-end work is done over there.
00:24:28.200 We used to do all that ourselves when we were a powerful industrial country because we had more economic freedom.
00:24:34.500 We had limited government.
00:24:35.440 But now we're just living off the pretty press.
00:24:38.560 But when all of this changes, when the dollar crashes, Americans are going to have to live within their means.
00:24:45.600 And what that means is we're only going to be able to consume if we produce.
00:24:50.900 Oh, no, I can't do that.
00:24:52.360 No, no, no.
00:24:52.820 I'm not going to be able to do that.
00:24:53.740 I can't do plants.
00:24:54.900 and we can't we can only borrow right if we save right americans right now are borrowing for
00:25:02.420 everything right people buy stuff they have no money they buy it on a credit card they have all
00:25:06.660 kinds of gimmicks now not even to mention leverage like how people invest all that look yeah i mean
00:25:12.040 all that's gonna go away i mean americans aren't gonna be able to borrow to buy cars you want to
00:25:16.020 buy a car you need the money right you can't just you know finance it over eight years with nothing
00:25:20.680 down all that's gonna stop i have so many questions the one i want to ask just right now
00:25:24.600 are you preparing for this like are you a doomsday prepper basically well i'm prepared like you have
00:25:29.240 a farm you're self-sustaining well no i i'm not prepared to that degree but you know you know if
00:25:34.900 you come to my house i mean i've got firearms well and but we've also got provisions you know
00:25:39.940 we got i mean i i don't i don't have to go to a drugstore i can shop at my house we got a lot of
00:25:44.560 you got a lot of stuff we'll go to peter's we'll go to peter's he's got drugs guys when the currency
00:25:49.280 crisis happens we'll go to peter's we're doing drugs but we got hard crack i got like things
00:25:53.820 things that, you know, but no, I have, you know, I have real money. I have gold and silver. I have
00:25:59.320 a lot of foreign stocks. I have a lot of, the way I prepare financially is I don't have a lot of
00:26:04.500 U.S. assets. I mean, I have foreign assets. Not even tech? You mean tech stocks? Yeah. No, I don't.
00:26:11.300 Well, you know, the U.S. tech stocks, we have some good tech companies. The problem is they're
00:26:15.560 real expensive. You know, I'm a traditional value oriented investor. I don't want to pay crazy
00:26:21.480 prices for companies and you know when everybody wants to buy something it's typically overpriced
00:26:27.320 how do you how do you are you basing that on multiples like yeah you base it on multiple to
00:26:32.540 their earnings you can look at their dividend yield book value a lot of ways to value stocks
00:26:37.060 but see right now people just buy stuff because it's going up doesn't matter what it's worth i
00:26:42.220 mean that the ultimate is cryptocurrencies right because cryptocurrencies and again they're not
00:26:46.700 really currencies, but they're not like an asset in that they don't pay a dividend, they don't pay
00:26:53.540 interest, they don't pay rent, right? They don't throw off any income. They're not like a commodity
00:26:57.660 that you can't use it, right? Oil, you can use it to drive your car, you know, soybeans, you know,
00:27:03.620 you could eat them, right? Gold, you could use it, you know, in consumer electronics, you can make a
00:27:08.940 watch out of it, right? Gold is an actual commodity that people use, but nobody uses Bitcoin for
00:27:14.260 anything what you just gamble with it that's not true well what do you do with bitcoin i don't own
00:27:20.400 that much bitcoin no but if you did just answer his question i'm a big nft guy well same thing
00:27:25.440 i mean i mean well peter the answer is anything the answer is anything i can do anything with
00:27:31.620 bitcoin no you can't name one thing buy a lamborghini no no no no you're well what you
00:27:37.080 can do is you can exchange it you can't it's not a lamborghini like you could drive it i'm like oh
00:27:42.600 okay like well hold on a second with the bitcoin itself what can you do with a dollar what can you
00:27:47.020 do with the dollar yeah why is it no again you could use a dollar to get something he's saying
00:27:52.180 you can't use a bitcoin no you can't no that's not what he said no i'm agreeing that the dollar
00:27:56.460 paper the physical paper dollar right i mean obviously it's a piece of paper i mean you know 0.98
00:28:01.300 if it was softer you could wipe your ass with it but i mean because it's physical yeah but it's not 0.96
00:28:05.820 the greatest toilet paper i mean maybe if that's all you had you might use it would you know but 0.99
00:28:10.640 you know you could scribble a note on it in a corner you know you could you know but you can't
00:28:14.620 really do much i agree that there's no intrinsic value to a paper bill so what's your intention
00:28:20.740 when you go on these these rants about bitcoin and just you know this dang cryptocurrency i do
00:28:25.260 want to know what your intention honestly because like are you not in an offensive way i'm just
00:28:28.800 curious are you the type of person to be like here's the problem are you the person to be like
00:28:32.100 here's the problem here's the solution well there is a problem the current monetary system we have
00:28:37.780 that is no longer based on real money, right, gold or silver, it's just fiat currency, that is a
00:28:43.700 problem. Bitcoin is not the solution to that problem, right? Bitcoin is helping people get
00:28:49.840 rich who bought Bitcoin early on and who are selling it now, right? Those are the people who
00:28:54.960 are making a lot of money. The people who are buying Bitcoin now are going to end up losing
00:28:59.540 a lot of money unless they're able to sell it at a higher price before it crashes.
00:29:03.960 What about the industry's continued adoption of Bitcoin that kind of spits in the face of that argument?
00:29:10.780 Because up until six months ago, I would have sat on this couch and played the same team as you.
00:29:16.220 But as you continue to see American tech, American financial institutions, American investors become more and more bullish on Bitcoin, on Ether, on all of these coins, at what point are you the only one sitting on the other couch?
00:29:30.400 Yeah, you know, I've seen this before, right?
00:29:32.660 If you go back to the 1990s with the dot coms, right, obviously, Wall Street really got behind
00:29:39.140 these companies.
00:29:40.560 They brought all these companies public that were losing money.
00:29:43.640 The stocks ultimately went to zero.
00:29:45.960 But what attracted Wall Street to the space was they saw an opportunity to make money. 0.99
00:29:51.100 The public wanted this crap. 0.98
00:29:53.500 And so they basically sold the public what the public wanted, because Wall Street is 1.00
00:29:59.120 always looking for the easy path.
00:30:01.180 Like, I'm not going to try to convince you to do the right thing.
00:30:04.260 If you're willing to do the wrong thing and I can make a buck off it, that's what they're
00:30:07.620 going to do.
00:30:08.360 So basically, you know, Wall Street was attracted to the money.
00:30:12.720 The same thing is happening in crypto, right? 0.75
00:30:14.520 A lot of these Wall Street firms that were saying the same thing as me, this is ridiculous, 0.90
00:30:19.320 it's a Ponzi, it's a pyramid, it has no value.
00:30:22.380 Some of these firms are now actively involved because of the money, because the price is
00:30:27.120 so high, and they're making a lot of money either booking the bets or bringing public companies that
00:30:32.860 are in the space. And there's a lot of people that have been attracted to the industry based on
00:30:39.360 the paper money that has been made on the appreciation. And this is typical of any kind
00:30:46.160 of bubble. You get all sorts of misallocations of capital. This is unfortunate, and it's part
00:30:51.340 of the problem, because a lot of smart people are now wasting their time. We're wasting a lot
00:30:56.680 of resources and capital creating cryptocurrencies there's about 13 000 of these things now and then
00:31:03.020 you have all these nfts that have been created so this is what this i wanted to ask you i i i
00:31:07.360 believe that and to correct me if i'm wrong but you you don't believe in bitcoin well i believe
00:31:13.160 it exists i'm saying yes and and do you believe in its future do you believe in its use case
00:31:19.840 obviously not right i don't think it has a future and i don't think it has a use case okay so my
00:31:24.240 question is then let's zoom out yeah do you believe in the blockchain well blockchain is
00:31:29.640 totally different from bitcoin yeah that's what i'm saying so so well now you're talking about
00:31:33.860 nfts now you're talking about a bunch of other random tokens it's 13 000 of them do you believe
00:31:39.200 in any of those do you believe in digital assets do you believe in nfts or is it the same like
00:31:44.420 this isn't real it's all just well it depends on the asset you know now if you have a digital
00:31:52.520 currency that is backed up by a real asset. Let's say you have a digital currency that is backed by
00:31:59.580 gold. It's like a digital warehouse receipt for gold, just like the original paper currencies
00:32:04.680 were backed by gold. That works. That's viable. That makes a lot of sense. That makes it easier
00:32:10.100 to transact in gold. And so a crypto backed by gold can be a money substitute and be a viable
00:32:17.280 medium of exchange, unit of account, store of value. So that's fine. Now, also, NFTs, to the
00:32:23.440 extent that they're attached to something real, right, if you're going to have title to real
00:32:28.640 property, to real estate, to an automobile, I mean, there are a lot of ways that you can utilize
00:32:34.240 blockchain. The problem is that so far, nobody's actually doing it to a big degree. I mean, so
00:32:40.060 right now, the main use of blockchain is to create cryptocurrencies to gamble on. But in the future,
00:32:46.620 maybe the blockchains will be used in more productive ways.
00:32:50.020 I don't know how they're going to be used,
00:32:51.660 but it's certainly a very interesting technology
00:32:54.000 that has a lot of potential applications.
00:32:57.080 But that doesn't mean that these digital tokens
00:32:59.720 that are currently utilizing blockchain technology,
00:33:02.820 that they have any value whatsoever.
00:33:04.660 But that's where everybody is focused
00:33:06.460 because people have made money buying them,
00:33:09.340 but they've only made money buying them
00:33:10.860 because they can sell them to somebody else.
00:33:12.760 Correct.
00:33:13.260 I think there's hope for you, Peter.
00:33:15.060 it sounds like you believe in the blockchain well yeah but that has nothing to do with bitcoin or
00:33:19.500 any of these worthless currencies no no i get where he's coming from bitcoin bitcoin's a
00:33:23.120 cryptocurrency your your digital assets is something he's in support of i think we need
00:33:26.960 i think we definitely need a revolution when it when it comes to digital proof of ownership because
00:33:31.620 everything's done digitally but it's proof of owning a physical like i hear people you know
00:33:36.300 like michael saylor all the time is talking about how it's bitcoin is digital property and he keeps
00:33:41.480 talking about how it's so much better than actual property because you know it's not like real
00:33:46.820 estate he said because real estate you have to pay property taxes you have maintenance which is true
00:33:51.680 but i can live in a house i can get enjoyment out of a house so of course i'm gonna have to pay to
00:33:58.500 maintain an asset that has value for me right i don't do anything with bitcoin but but but as a
00:34:05.140 you're starting to be able to do more and more so i guess my question is why is the idea of
00:34:12.200 fiat paper any more feasible of an idea than a worthless digital bitcoin because because tesla
00:34:21.580 will allow you to drive off the lot with by exchanging bitcoins or or or walmart or whoever
00:34:27.840 like yeah you're saying two two wrongs make a right correct right correct and which one's more
00:34:34.340 wrong and and one gives power to people and the other gives power to government now my situation
00:34:40.060 on this has always been everybody that we talk to about crypto on the show has the same belief
00:34:45.260 you can't regulate it because it's decentralized and i and i always crack a smile and i say dude 0.57
00:34:51.540 listen when the government wants to fucking regulate they are the regulators they will come 0.97
00:34:58.200 in and they will squeeze the fuck out of you until they've regulated the unregulatable they can do it 0.98
00:35:03.580 whether it's a tax squeeze, whether it's a criminal squeeze, 0.97
00:35:07.120 they'll find a way if they want to.
00:35:09.200 So like you're starting to see these Chinese regulations start
00:35:12.080 and that crackdown beginning over there.
00:35:13.760 Do you think regulation is coming down the line for crypto?
00:35:17.140 Well, it is definitely coming.
00:35:18.640 I don't think the government feels threatened by crypto.
00:35:21.780 I mean, if they did, they would have hammered,
00:35:24.480 you know, cracked down on it sooner.
00:35:26.100 But what they do want is to get in on the action.
00:35:29.580 That's what the government, they see people making money in crypto.
00:35:32.120 they want to tax it right that's what they want they want a piece of the action they want their
00:35:37.560 cut they don't care if people end up losing money it's just that between now and then they want
00:35:42.820 their tax revenue but they also don't want people using cryptocurrencies to uh circumvent a lot of
00:35:50.620 their anti-money laundering yes uh requirements which is happening let's be right and of course
00:35:56.540 all of this you know they talk about anti-money laundering as if they're going after terrorists or
00:36:01.980 drug dealers. That's just the ruse that they tell the public. It's really all about tax compliance.
00:36:07.680 The governments want to make sure that average Americans are paying their taxes, not the super
00:36:11.940 rich, right, because they have loopholes to avoid their taxes. It's the little guy who is cheating
00:36:16.980 on his taxes because he can barely get by. You have a lot of small business owners, a lot of
00:36:21.820 guys work for cash. They're not paying all their taxes. That's who the government wants. I mean,
00:36:26.640 And that's why in this Biden plan, they have this new thing where they wanted every check
00:36:31.500 of $600 or more.
00:36:32.960 They wanted the banks to tell the IRS, claiming that they're going after the billionaires.
00:36:37.360 Look, the billionaires aren't evading their taxes with $600 checks, right?
00:36:40.700 They're looking for the little guy.
00:36:42.640 So what they don't want is for people to use Bitcoin to somehow get around all these reporting
00:36:50.320 requirements.
00:36:50.780 So they are going to crack down, and the cost to actually do anything with Bitcoin is going
00:36:57.520 to go way up because all of the companies that touch it are going to have lots of new
00:37:03.540 KYC, know your customer, anti-motoring, AML requirements that are going to be very expensive
00:37:11.820 to comply with as far as the regulation and the compliance costs.
00:37:16.400 And so it's going to make it even less attractive to use the currencies.
00:37:20.780 When slash if that happens, what happens to Bitcoin, the price of Bitcoin?
00:37:24.560 Does it plummet?
00:37:25.360 Bitcoin could crash before that happens.
00:37:27.420 I mean, I don't know what the pin is to break the bubble.
00:37:30.900 By the way, to all our listeners, I should say I am a peasant in this room when it comes to knowledge of cryptocurrency and the blockchain.
00:37:39.920 But I just – I don't see any other event that big that would plummet Bitcoin other than some sort of government federal regulation.
00:37:48.720 It's happened before without any kind of –
00:37:50.220 I'm talking about a, like.
00:37:52.360 Well, we saw it happen multiple times.
00:37:54.440 We had 40 to 50% drops.
00:37:56.040 I know we're just so much bigger, but we're so much weird.
00:38:01.580 Bitcoin's so much bigger now.
00:38:02.760 Correct.
00:38:03.860 You know, the higher you are, the more there is to fall.
00:38:06.000 Well, remember, you know, when it went up to 20,000 the first time, right?
00:38:10.440 People were saying, oh, the big volatility of the past is gone.
00:38:14.400 You know, we're not now that it's, you know, so mainstream and now that it's so high, you don't have to worry.
00:38:18.860 And then it went from $20,000 to $3,000, right?
00:38:21.600 So it has these big 80% drops.
00:38:25.020 And then, you know, it went up to $65,000.
00:38:27.880 And then a couple of weeks later, it was back down below $40,000.
00:38:31.400 I mean, now it got pumped back up again.
00:38:34.120 But the idea that, hey, you just have to accept this kind of volatility as par for the course,
00:38:39.940 Bitcoin can easily drop 80%, you know, in the next week.
00:38:43.720 And then there's no guarantee it's going to come back.
00:38:45.860 It could drop another 80% and then another 80%.
00:38:48.740 People just look back and say, well, every time Bitcoin has gone down, it's come back.
00:38:53.700 It's only been around for 10 years.
00:38:55.440 There's no historical data.
00:38:57.460 And listen, my belief on it too, just to add on to it, is that there may be even more risk now because you have whale holders that are industrial buyers.
00:39:07.380 And more than anything, you have these absolutely insanely leveraged positions on on cryptocurrencies that that a 30 or 20, 30 percent drop could liquidate a mass portion of these leverage holders.
00:39:23.160 There are a lot of people who have big gains in Bitcoin.
00:39:27.860 They have been reluctant to realize those gains.
00:39:30.300 A, they don't want to pay the tax.
00:39:31.960 And B, they're afraid of missing out on future appreciation.
00:39:35.220 So what they've done is they've borrowed against that Bitcoin.
00:39:38.520 But if the price starts to drop, they get a margin call.
00:39:42.080 They don't have the cash.
00:39:43.740 Their Bitcoin just gets sold into a vacuum.
00:39:46.280 Because you get these forced selling when there's not a lot of buyers.
00:39:49.300 And then the market starts to implode.
00:39:51.100 And that triggers more margin calls.
00:39:52.840 as the price goes lower and lower.
00:39:55.080 So I think there's a lot more vulnerability now in the market.
00:39:58.960 I think some of these institutions that have gone in,
00:40:01.740 these guys are not hodlers.
00:40:04.100 They're not in forever.
00:40:05.500 They're in it as a trade.
00:40:07.120 So they got in.
00:40:08.360 They want to jump on a bandwagon and make some money.
00:40:10.700 But they have trader mentalities.
00:40:12.580 They will cut and run.
00:40:13.900 If they see a big break and they want out of that trade,
00:40:17.260 they'll take a 20%, 30% loss, and they'll move on.
00:40:20.020 We've seen it.
00:40:20.560 They're not going to go down with the ship
00:40:22.180 Because they're not like religious fanatics about Bitcoin.
00:40:26.420 They only saw it as a way to make some quick money.
00:40:29.380 And if all of a sudden they see they're losing money and the trend is turned, they'll get out.
00:40:33.720 And one thing, ironically, that could do it would be a big move up in gold.
00:40:38.240 Because one of the reasons that Bitcoin has gotten so popular, Bitcoin started in about, what, 2011, right?
00:40:48.200 Gold at 2011 hit 1900.
00:40:51.160 And over the last 10 years, gold's 1,800.
00:40:54.620 So gold's gone nowhere.
00:40:55.880 And Bitcoin's gone from nothing, pennies, to 60,000, right?
00:41:00.640 And so everybody wants to compare gold to Bitcoin.
00:41:03.900 In fact, when they represent Bitcoin in a physical form, even though it has no physical
00:41:09.800 form, they make a coin.
00:41:11.700 They make it gold.
00:41:12.660 They make it look like gold.
00:41:13.860 It's counterfeit gold, right? 0.62
00:41:15.100 It's fool's gold because it has none of the properties that gold has.
00:41:18.760 It's not an actual metal. 0.97
00:41:19.860 you can't conduct electricity with it you can't make jewelry out of it you can't you know put it
00:41:24.420 inside a a filling or you can't use it in aerospace i mean gold is a the most useful valuable metal on
00:41:30.780 the periodic table and bitcoin doesn't have any of those uh characteristics it looks like it but
00:41:35.820 they pretend that it's gold no no there's some guy got in trouble for selling these on the street
00:41:40.320 because it it's a little gold bitcoin is a b with like money signs through it has like laser
00:41:45.260 shooting yeah it helps again the human race very simple species and it's it's hard to imagine this
00:41:51.000 this cryptocurrency floating around in the ether because that's kind of all it is so putting
00:41:55.540 something physical to it helps us yeah yeah but also they want you to think you're buying gold
00:41:59.680 that's why they say they have bitcoin miners nobody's mining bitcoin they're solving math
00:42:04.380 wait you're telling me there's no guy with a pickaxe stop yeah so but they want to act like
00:42:08.920 it's gold that was like part of the the con but over the last decade where bitcoin has been on
00:42:15.280 the scene gold has been going sideways and and that's enabled the bitcoiners to say you see
00:42:20.880 this is better than gold it's the new gold it's gold 2.0 gold's not going anywhere well what they
00:42:26.720 forget is that the 10 years before bitcoin came on the scene gold went from under 300 to 1900
00:42:33.640 10 years. So gold had this huge move. And has it done that kind of parabolic move
00:42:38.400 historically at other times? The only time you really saw that big a move was, let's say,
00:42:42.780 in the 70s. But we had a big move. And now we consolidated for a while. And remember,
00:42:50.260 people during the last 10 years, you had a big boom in the stock market. Everybody was risk
00:42:55.280 taking. Everybody wanted a big return. Gold is a safe haven. It's a store of value. It's not a
00:43:00.900 get rich quick scheme. It's I don't want to go broke. It's if you're rich and you want to stay
00:43:05.440 rich, you buy gold. It's not about getting rich. And so when you have this 10 year period of
00:43:11.180 consolidation, now all of a sudden Bitcoin has the spotlight. But I think gold now is getting
00:43:16.860 ready to break out of this phase. I think gold is going to have another big move similar to the one
00:43:23.060 it had uh from 2001 to 2011 where it could go up 5x 10x right a big move and when that happens
00:43:31.280 all of a sudden you destroy the the reason for bitcoin because now real gold is going up
00:43:36.560 so why settle for a cheap imitation are you expecting that to have happen uh at the same
00:43:44.020 time as the currency crisis right now well do they go hand in hand is what i'm asking right
00:43:48.260 But I think gold will start to move up before the currency crisis because that will be gold's way of telegraphing that the currency crisis is coming.
00:43:57.060 But where the currency crisis, the way this happens is so the dollar really starts to fall.
00:44:04.500 Prices start to rise.
00:44:06.380 The Federal Reserve is now in a box because it has to do something to stop the dollar from falling and to fight inflation.
00:44:15.920 That's the choice that Paul Volcker made in 1980, because he came around at the end of
00:44:21.480 the 70s, and you had all this inflation that was created really during the 1960s with Lyndon
00:44:27.280 Johnson, but then Kennedy in the 70s, I mean, Nixon in the 70s.
00:44:33.020 But it really started with the Great Society programs, Lyndon Johnson in the 60s, right?
00:44:37.680 He took over after Kennedy died.
00:44:40.020 And we had the Vietnam War, War on Poverty, Great Society, printed a lot of money, ran
00:44:44.900 deficits and went off the gold standard in 71, right, with Nixon.
00:44:50.480 And so we had the double-digit inflation.
00:44:52.880 We had the stagflation.
00:44:54.220 And Volcker comes in with Reagan.
00:44:56.300 And Volcker's like, OK, we're going to put a stop to this.
00:44:59.320 And interest rates went to 20%.
00:45:01.720 And it was 20% interest rates that broke the back of inflation, plus Ronald Reagan coming
00:45:08.700 in, government's the problem, not the solution.
00:45:11.400 We're going to make government smaller.
00:45:12.860 We're going to cut regulation.
00:45:13.900 We're going to lower taxes.
00:45:14.900 So you had like a free market president, and you had a tough Fed chairman putting interest
00:45:21.040 rates at 20%.
00:45:21.960 Well, now you got the Federal Reserve.
00:45:24.240 We're going to be faced with an even bigger inflation problem than the one we had then,
00:45:28.560 but at a point where America is a very different economy, because in 1980, we still had trade
00:45:34.340 surpluses.
00:45:35.280 We weren't.
00:45:35.720 In 1980, we were the world's biggest creditor nation.
00:45:38.620 Now we're the world's biggest debtor nation.
00:45:40.400 So we're the mirror image of what we were.
00:45:42.840 But imagine what would happen.
00:45:44.520 Now you're the Federal Reserve, and inflation is accelerating, the dollar is tanking, and
00:45:49.780 you've got to raise interest rates up to maybe, let's say, even 10%, forget about 20%.
00:45:55.660 Well, what would happen to the US economy if interest rates went from 0% to 10%?
00:46:01.820 Everything would implode.
00:46:04.320 Banks would fail.
00:46:05.860 The government would have to default on its debt.
00:46:08.340 People keep saying, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, we're going to default.
00:46:11.560 Well, if interest rates go up to 10%, we default, too, because we can't afford it.
00:46:16.300 We can't make the payments.
00:46:17.680 There's not enough tax revenue to support it.
00:46:20.840 Dr. Doom.
00:46:21.820 That's what they call you, Dr. Doom.
00:46:24.820 Not anymore.
00:46:25.520 See, Dr. Doom, when I first started going on this network, CNBC, I started going on CNBC in 2004.
00:46:33.580 And I started predicting what ultimately was the 08 financial crisis.
00:46:37.340 and because of those doom and gloom predictions they started calling me dr doom right right now
00:46:43.380 after all my predictions came true right after my predictions came true they just stopped inviting
00:46:48.640 me on that was i was gonna ask you right and all the people who got it wrong kept coming back and
00:46:54.420 they're still on to this day the reason i ask is because you know having that moniker that that
00:46:59.220 name you know it dr doom or being called that and right now you know all these bitcoin billionaires
00:47:05.740 you know and all these all these guys on twitter and elon they're the rock stars all the parties
00:47:11.400 in miami and the bitcoin convention you get invited to those you get invited to those parties
00:47:15.740 no no no you know the funny thing too is when i used to go on like cnbc and and talk about
00:47:23.520 some of the same things that the crypto guests talk about you know reckless federal reserve
00:47:29.000 fiat money right and i used to say you know what you do is you get out in out of the dollar and
00:47:34.780 you buy some foreign stocks, you buy some gold. Everybody made fun of me. Everybody laughed at me.
00:47:39.860 And generally, they actually questioned my integrity. They said, come on, Peter, you can't
00:47:44.920 actually believe this. You're just saying this because you want people to buy gold. And I'm like,
00:47:49.580 look, you know, I'm just talking the truth. The fact that, you know, they should buy gold. I mean,
00:47:53.960 you know, and because I would say you got all these people coming on, you know, talking about
00:47:58.440 stocks and they all work for firms that sell stocks. You don't you don't say the same thing
00:48:02.880 to them why is it just me i come on and you say well i'm just trying to talk my book but nobody
00:48:08.620 else gets accused of that but now you get all these crypto people because cnbc is basically
00:48:14.560 an infomercial now for cryptocurrencies i mean i i said they should call it you know cnbc is
00:48:19.720 crypto news bitcoin right that's what it really stands for all their advertisers are cryptocurrencies
00:48:24.560 and so the advertisers basically call the shots are you pumping gold right now is this a pump
00:48:29.160 how much gold gold gold is too big a market to manipulate but these cryptos are illiquid
00:48:36.940 and these guys come on cnbc in the crypto industry huge bias they come on and they have these pie in
00:48:44.040 the sky predictions and nobody ever calls them out on it and in fact nobody laughs at them nobody
00:48:50.400 makes fun of them they're like oh really you know so they're very interested in all the gloom and
00:48:55.380 doing predictions as long as you're using it to tout bitcoin or some other cryptocurrency but the
00:49:00.140 minute you you bring up gold then you know then you know they'll laugh at you or they don't want
00:49:04.460 you on the on the network so is this is this a shtick then what is this are you a peter shtick
00:49:09.400 i'm peter shtick like like do you really not own bitcoin and and or do you do pair your belief in
00:49:15.880 gold with your disdain of bitcoin because you know one of them gets the media's attention and
00:49:19.060 one of them is actually a valuable piece of information i mean i don't like bitcoin for
00:49:22.260 the same reason I don't like fiat currency, right? I want real money. And just because we can use
00:49:30.440 fiat currency doesn't mean that Bitcoin is going to work just because the dollar has worked as a
00:49:35.820 fiat currency for 50 years. There's a big difference between legal tender US dollars and
00:49:40.940 just Bitcoin. And of course, again, there's 13,000 cryptocurrencies or something like that.
00:49:46.600 They're creating new ones every day. So there's nothing unique about Bitcoin other than its name.
00:49:52.260 you know, most of these other cryptocurrencies that are coming out could be better, faster,
00:49:56.520 cheaper. Was, was, was Bitcoin, uh, the first, it was the first cryptocurrency. I mean,
00:50:00.860 that's significant, but so what, who cares if it was the first, unfortunately, everyone,
00:50:06.000 everyone, everyone cares who's first. Well, I don't know, especially if you've done it right
00:50:10.040 and you've created something that could like change the course of finance. But look, I mean,
00:50:14.760 look, you know, look, look at your electronic equipment around here. I mean, we're not using
00:50:20.480 the first microphone you know we're not we're not using the first camera i mean the first camera
00:50:25.940 sucks compared to the cameras we got now who's going to use the first one we're still using the
00:50:30.320 wheel well not the first wheel though we got much better wheels now than the first the first one was
00:50:35.420 probably made of rock but the technology but the technology the genius yes but of putting something
00:50:41.160 round something heavy this comes up every show don't get me started on the wheel again bitcoin
00:50:47.700 is going to go the way of a rock wheel but you know people all the bitcoiners want to say hey
00:50:51.820 you know i'm like you know i'm like a horse and buggy right because i don't recognize that bitcoin
00:50:56.300 is the automobile with rubber wheels and i'm stuck on a horse but you know i i don't see bitcoin as
00:51:02.540 as as an improvement on fiat at all you know uh i and it certainly isn't an improvement on gold i
00:51:09.020 mean gold was a much better form of money what if you're just do people ever say to you okay boomer
00:51:13.980 do they call you okay okay because who the hell made that up those people they say l ratio you 0.99
00:51:20.640 fell off fuck them dude all i'm saying is all i'm trying to say is this like like what if the a large 0.99
00:51:28.320 portion of your argument is just based on this traditional moral dilemma and this classical way 1.00
00:51:34.920 of thinking that you will not let go of because you're like the beatles were the most important
00:51:38.680 band which they were don't get me wrong but like jake got more slaps than the beatles shut up but 0.84
00:51:43.100 listen what i was saying to you is like what if you realize one day and you're like damn i've just
00:51:46.840 been holding on to this because i refuse to like evolve it's more uh you know wisdom and experience 0.95
00:51:54.340 it's not that i'm just nah you're going down with the shit no because every generation you know 0.96
00:51:59.700 thinks that they've invented the wheel right every everybody thinks that their parents and 0.99
00:52:03.600 grandparents don't know anything right i mean i've i've seen all this stuff before i mean you
00:52:08.240 The people in their 20s, they didn't live through the dot-com bubble, right?
00:52:12.920 They don't remember what the emotions were.
00:52:15.480 I remember what people were telling me.
00:52:17.140 And then, of course, the housing bubble happened right after it.
00:52:19.900 I remember all the crazy things that people were telling me about how their house was
00:52:24.000 never going to go down in value.
00:52:25.640 And I listened to what some of the Bitcoin people say. 0.99
00:52:28.700 And some of it is the most ridiculous crap I've ever heard. 0.99
00:52:31.580 What's an example? 1.00
00:52:32.240 And especially when they start talking about gold.
00:52:35.160 because they'll tell me when I say,
00:52:37.320 well, Bitcoin has no value.
00:52:38.780 I say, well, gold has no value either. 0.93
00:52:40.580 So when you say something that's so obviously ridiculous,
00:52:43.660 I mean, it's not called a precious metal 0.91
00:52:45.460 because it has no value.
00:52:46.760 I want to ask something here,
00:52:48.740 and I've been waiting.
00:52:49.280 This is a perfect moment.
00:52:49.980 I want to hear from the horse's mouth directly.
00:52:53.360 Why is gold so valuable?
00:52:55.500 And why has it been the most precious metal
00:52:58.400 for thousands of years?
00:53:01.700 I'm talking about the history of gold.
00:53:04.340 yes and why well one of the reasons members so you know we had dinner the other night
00:53:08.860 a couple of people there are these treasure hunters that were at the at the dinner with us
00:53:12.940 remember wait who was well billy zane and his partner this guy i don't know if you know the
00:53:17.440 other guy but they but but that's how come i came to that dinner by the way by the way you know who
00:53:22.240 billy zane is i don't i know billy may he played the he played the titanic he played the like the
00:53:27.020 bad guy in titanic oh i hate that guy yeah by the way i was gonna tell him that i was gonna be like
00:53:32.300 he represents a horrible part of my child yeah but that means he did a good job he was at his
00:53:36.660 dinner 100 yeah he did a good job of the role he's a treasure character 100 he's a treasure
00:53:41.700 hunter yeah that's what they're doing one of the things they're doing but but they so they look
00:53:45.740 for ships that sunk 500 years ago like off you know and they go and they try to get the gold
00:53:50.640 kind of ironic and wait wait is that why they were there with you titanic well that's one of the
00:53:54.300 that's one of the reason i went there because i think brock wanted me to meet them because he's
00:53:57.700 also interested they want to do a reality show also on on the treasure ships when they're looking
00:54:02.700 for you know sunken treasure you need to talk to these people i wouldn't mind spending some time
00:54:07.440 on a boat what am i finding a treasure but the point of this is if they find these ships that
00:54:14.160 sunk 500 years ago and they find the gold it will look exactly the way it looked the day it sunk
00:54:20.120 that is one of the properties of gold right gold does not tarnish it does not decay
00:54:25.660 It is exactly the same, you know, at any point in the future.
00:54:29.220 I mean, the gold that we're pulling out of the ground that was there a billion years
00:54:32.640 ago, I mean, that's the same gold.
00:54:35.020 And gold also has lots of properties as a metal that other metals don't have as far
00:54:40.240 as it's, you know, how ductile it is or different things that you can do with it, how conductive
00:54:45.220 it is for electricity.
00:54:46.860 So, I mean, there's a reason that gold is in jewelry.
00:54:49.400 I mean, you know, my watch is not made of copper, right?
00:54:51.880 There's a reason that- 1.00
00:54:53.020 Are we stupid? 1.00
00:54:53.820 are we stupid because we like it because it's shiny well that's also a good thing right it's 1.00
00:54:58.920 shiny right i mean why do we care like we're flying towards the light we're flying for the 0.97
00:55:04.160 towards the light dude that was the question but being being beautiful being aesthetically
00:55:09.000 pleasing is valuable to human beings i mean i get it i feel you right i mean you know i mean look at
00:55:15.060 all these you know rap stars or these guys that all their bling i mean it's all gold i mean they
00:55:19.860 like the way it looks i mean otherwise they wouldn't wear it uh but you know gold has
00:55:24.400 properties other metals don't have and that's why it has the value it has but it's also very scarce
00:55:29.760 there's not as much gold as there is let's say other metals that are out there what if gold what
00:55:34.080 if gold gets replaced like we're in this weird time where we're seeing this transition of value
00:55:40.400 to what could be called perceived value it's really scary and it's scary for people who've
00:55:45.580 held these traditional beliefs their whole life like you're there's gold which is worth this much
00:55:51.560 money because of its use cases right then there's bitcoin fiat which someone told you is worth this
00:55:57.560 amount of money it's not worth anything bitcoin is worth what somebody will pay you for right
00:56:01.940 obviously right but somebody will only buy your bitcoin because they think they can sell it to
00:56:07.100 somebody else and that somebody else will only buy it because they think they can sell it to
00:56:10.820 somebody else so it's all like arbitrage but the other thing about gold that's important to know
00:56:15.460 is that gold can be used over and over and over again so most commodities you know you buy the
00:56:21.980 commodity you use it it's done right so like i have this watch is you can melt it down you can
00:56:26.340 melt this down and get the gold back and do something else yeah you know you could go you
00:56:30.520 know if you it's forever you dig up a you know an old coffin there's a there's a skeleton down
00:56:35.180 there with some gold fillings you could take the fillings out melt them down and it's exactly the
00:56:39.700 same right you can use it so but the thing is the value of gold today is basically the present value
00:56:48.320 of all the future uses discounted to today because you own something that will be here forever but
00:56:55.620 what if you die with your cold storage in your coffin and your seed phrase do you know what i'm
00:57:00.180 saying like what's more that's not but i'm saying like what's because because listen gold will become 0.99
00:57:05.320 phased out in 10 years right right right now hold on let me just finish my fucking statement 0.96
00:57:12.120 not you know sorry but but but like for example right now there is a price for hamburger beef 0.97
00:57:19.680 for beef all around the world ground beef has a value not a perceived value of value
00:57:24.540 but impossible burger comes through lab driven cell grown beef comes through now the value of 0.99
00:57:33.380 beef doesn't really fucking matter anymore because beef can be made using a fucking microchip in a 0.95
00:57:39.000 laboratory so what if what if gold what if gold and its use cases are replaced by minerals that 0.99
00:57:46.500 can be created in a lab and all of a sudden value and perceived value get mashed up and mixed up in
00:57:50.560 ether and bitcoin and well that hasn't happened i mean maybe you can make maybe you can turn platinum
00:57:56.900 into gold but then you still need the platinum right which is as expensive sometimes more so
00:58:01.520 the gold but look people have been trying to make gold you know they called alchemy alchemy
00:58:06.120 it's a pseudoscience but the idea the reality is there are actually more uses for gold now
00:58:13.660 than there were 100 years ago or 200 years ago and there's probably going to be even more uses
00:58:18.200 for gold in the future that we don't even know about because its properties are so unique let
00:58:23.260 me tell you this yes i was in london recently yesterday i went to nusseret's restaurant do you
00:58:30.160 no new threat no salt bay okay you know salt bay come on why am i kind of happy he doesn't
00:58:36.660 that's great he goes like this with salt okay i was at his restaurant he brought out a giant
00:58:41.420 tomahawk steak covered in gold brother gold gold dust yeah you pay extra for that oh yeah 0.82
00:58:48.660 i was the dumb the dumb customer i was like i want something shiny i want my food to be shiny 0.98
00:58:55.440 like that was me so i feel you the use cases for gold you can now eat it regularly 0.98
00:58:59.560 i mean they use it in medicine i mean there are there there is gold that is used in medicine
00:59:05.880 they use it for certain procedures um you know i mean people email me all the time when when they
00:59:11.300 encounter new uses for gold where they you know they didn't even realize gold was used in that
00:59:15.760 way interesting and they find out uh that it is because you know again the properties of gold i
00:59:20.400 mean one of the reasons that they use gold for fillings is because you're you know when you have
00:59:24.360 gold in your mouth you're it's you're not going to get any kind of disease from it right it's a
00:59:28.140 very pure metal and it's not going to you know cause you any problems to have it in your mouth
00:59:32.600 my our co-host george has been has been trying to get a question we this has been heated george
00:59:37.240 i'd love to hear what you're questioning because i know you've been sitting on a on something or a
00:59:41.020 few things couch is one of them uh so i i get where you're coming from you can't do anything
00:59:45.900 with bitcoin at all even if like he's basically saying when things hit the fan there's nothing
00:59:51.000 you could do with bitcoin with metal you could do tons of things with medicine you could eat it
00:59:55.880 even make jewelry or make it has some form of value money is just to emulate what that is
01:00:01.660 my thing is if god forbid the value of money does go down like how you say you're saying that the
01:00:08.860 reason why companies left this country in making stuff is because it's cheaper to make in other
01:00:14.120 countries if this is true then why didn't the government regulate that and say hey no if you
01:00:19.660 want to sell it here why don't you make it here well i mean they could have done that and then
01:00:24.480 maybe we would have had the crisis sooner but and it's not so much that it's cheaper to make it
01:00:30.260 there it's that when the government imposes all kinds of costly regulations no i get it but why
01:00:36.460 did they stop doing that for this to not happen in the end you get what i'm saying that result
01:00:40.460 i don't think i don't think the politicians thought that far ahead i mean they just
01:00:43.820 imposed these taxes and regulations, and were blind to the consequences. But businesses try
01:00:50.240 to adapt, right? They try to avoid the taxes. Just like when the government creates a new program,
01:00:56.040 everybody tries to figure out how to qualify for the benefit. I mean, people react to government,
01:01:01.400 right? If you tax something, you'll get less of it. If you subsidize something, you'll get more
01:01:05.780 of it. And the government is oblivious to moral hazard. And so year after year of more regulation
01:01:11.380 and more taxes, more businesses just left and started producing offshore. But we were able to
01:01:18.020 import the stuff because the dollar was still the reserve currency. But I wanted to mention something
01:01:23.660 before I forget it as far as why it's important that you can actually use something like gold
01:01:29.340 has a use. Because people say, well, people are just buying gold because they think it's going
01:01:35.060 to go up. No, they're not. They're buying it to preserve their wealth because gold is an actual
01:01:40.540 commodity, and in an inflationary time period where copper is going up, oil is going up,
01:01:46.360 wheat's going up, everything is going up, it's hard to just buy a bunch of wheat.
01:01:50.580 It's hard to buy a bunch of oil, but it's easy to buy gold.
01:01:54.180 You don't need that much of it, and there are historic relationships between gold and
01:01:58.620 every other commodity.
01:01:59.880 So if paper is losing value, and everything is going up, and you want to store your wealth
01:02:04.100 so that you can buy stuff in the future, you can store it easily in gold.
01:02:08.760 but also there is a real buyer for gold. There are jewelers who need gold. So if the price of
01:02:14.600 gold drops, jewelers are going to buy gold. Computer chip manufacturers need gold. You
01:02:19.960 have an actual end user that needs the metal. And central banks need it as a reserve, as a
01:02:26.680 monetary reserve. It's the only reserve they have that isn't somebody else's liability. They have
01:02:31.280 real gold. But when it comes to Bitcoin, the only buyer is the speculator. So if the price of
01:02:37.720 bitcoin starts to fall there's no one that says oh bitcoin is cheap i need a bunch of bitcoin
01:02:42.700 for my you nobody needs it for anything so it doesn't matter what the price is if the only
01:02:48.340 reason you want bitcoin is because it's going up and you think it's going to keep going up
01:02:52.520 the minute you no longer think it's going to go up nobody wants it and when nobody wants it how
01:02:58.280 do you sell it if you've got it but but the conversation yeah but the conversation you're
01:03:02.460 having right now that that would eliminate the the market for the purchase and and sale of of so
01:03:08.320 many stocks too do you know well and then also and also just one more point on it too it's like
01:03:12.680 how many people are buying gold versus buying gold etfs and like that whole that whole that
01:03:19.040 whole system is is broken or not broken but like that whole point is countered by by wheat etfs
01:03:24.400 and by and by rubber etfs and whatever else what other commodities need to be purchased because no
01:03:28.360 one's buying the actual fucking product they're buying exchange yeah well when you buy the etf of
01:03:32.560 gold right you're buying the gold that's inside the etf you're just buying a more convenient way 0.97
01:03:37.580 to score it and trade it but ultimately what gives the etf value is the fact that it actually goes out
01:03:43.020 and buys the gold and and puts it in a vault but what you're saying about stocks right when you buy
01:03:49.600 a stock you're you're actually buying a business a company you're buying a share of a company
01:03:54.000 and you're entitled to a share of the profits of that company.
01:03:58.000 Now, it's true that some companies don't have a profit.
01:04:01.400 Maybe they're new and they're losing money.
01:04:03.140 But what you're doing when you buy the stock is you're making a bet that that company will
01:04:07.840 eventually make a profit.
01:04:09.140 And when it does, you'll be entitled to a share of the dividends or whatever kind of
01:04:14.400 return.
01:04:15.520 And so that's investing, right?
01:04:17.220 Because you're buying a business.
01:04:18.460 But I agree that in this speculative mania that the Fed has helped create, a lot of people who
01:04:25.340 are buying stocks have no idea what the underlying business is worth. They may not even know what
01:04:30.880 the business is. They're just looking at a screen and buying a symbol. And they're buying it because
01:04:35.480 it's going up, and they're planning on selling it. And so they're gambling on a stock the same
01:04:41.080 way some people gamble on a cryptocurrency. But that doesn't mean stocks and a Bitcoin are the
01:04:47.180 same because a company is an actual business that will generate earnings eventually yeah and but if
01:04:54.500 they're never going to generate earnings then the stock's going to go to zero and the people who are
01:04:58.340 buying it are going to lose because they're making a bad bet but what i try to do when i buy stocks
01:05:04.940 is i'm not trying to you know always hit the home run i don't want to buy stocks that are losing
01:05:10.880 money that have never made a profit but i'm guessing that maybe they will i want to buy the
01:05:16.000 stock that showed me, hey, we've made profits for 50 or 100 years, and we've paid dividends.
01:05:21.460 And so we're going to keep doing that. That's more of an investment than a speculation,
01:05:25.960 because I have a good track record of what this company has done, what the management is doing.
01:05:30.880 You can look at a good balance sheet. You can see the dividends. And yes, you can say, I think
01:05:35.260 business is going to improve. I think the stock's going to go up. But what ultimately gives it the
01:05:39.820 value is the income and the dividends of the company that it represents. I'd assume you're
01:05:44.980 pretty conservative with your own personal investments? Well, I'm more aggressive with
01:05:48.940 my own investments than clients in general. And because I'm very convinced that I'm right. A lot
01:05:55.260 of times for clients, I want to have portfolios that will perform even if I'm wrong. But since
01:06:01.300 I'm so convinced that we're going to have a monetary crisis in the United States, a dollar
01:06:06.360 crisis, and I think the price of gold is going to go up dramatically because I think we're going to
01:06:11.180 remonetize gold, I think gold will replace the dollar. You know, I think the world will go back
01:06:17.540 to, you know, a gold standard. You know, America took the world off the gold standard. And I think
01:06:23.440 the world is going to ultimately, you know, go back on it to the detriment of America. So I have
01:06:29.260 a lot of gold stocks. Personally, I have a much larger allocation in my own portfolio towards gold
01:06:36.320 stocks than my typical client would have but but that's not super risk i mean do you ever take any
01:06:41.700 you know kind of risky uh investments well yeah i mean gold stocks are risky investments i mean
01:06:47.360 they're mines i mean a lot of stuff could go wrong they move like a half no i mean what are you
01:06:51.880 talking about no but but here's here's speculative investments i mean they're not you know to an
01:06:55.640 extent but i mean i mean actually though if you look at some of the bigger gold mines now
01:06:59.540 the price earnings ratios of these major gold mines is much lower than the overall market
01:07:04.460 so there's actually less risk in my mind in gold stocks than the s&p 500 no but that's no but
01:07:10.420 that's what he's saying and i and i guess that that piggybacks to a question i had because
01:07:13.800 it's really easy to take this low yield approach when you have millions and millions and millions
01:07:18.980 and millions of dollars to play with because that little trickle effect i mean look banks get rich 0.96
01:07:22.960 off of one percent annual yield because they have so much fucking money that they don't need to 0.95
01:07:27.680 speculate they don't need to do that but for every average american or person globally watching this 0.96
01:07:32.940 show right now you know why they're retail investing you know why they're getting involved 0.94
01:07:36.380 in crypto because they want to fucking create some sort of wealth for themselves yeah it's a 0.77
01:07:40.300 get rich quick scheme and it's very intoxicating a lot and who who doesn't want to get rich quick 0.95
01:07:44.820 i mean all these bitcoin hodlers think all i have to do is hold on to their bitcoin they're
01:07:49.020 going to be millionaires you know that's you know that's why they won't sell any of it but
01:07:52.700 what's bought into this dream what's safe because i get numbers thrown at me by accountants i get
01:07:56.680 thrown numbers thrown at me by business advisors i get numbers thrown at me by all these different
01:08:00.380 people what do you currently believe is the safe ratio of uh crypto holdings to overall asset
01:08:07.800 holdings well i don't think any cryptos are safe zero you want to play it safe you shouldn't have
01:08:12.000 any crypto at all i mean but you know most of the traditionally safe investments are not safe
01:08:19.160 anymore because traditionally bonds have been considered safe because you've loaned somebody
01:08:23.360 money a credit worthy borrower they're they're going to pay you back everything that you know
01:08:27.880 you lend them, plus some interest. But right now, inflation is so much higher than the yields on
01:08:33.660 bonds. And you mentioned banks. I mean, the problem with banks is they're not doing what
01:08:37.840 banks are supposed to do. Banks are supposed to fund capital investment, and they're supposed to
01:08:42.400 fund it out of their deposits. But nobody is saving. There's no interest rates. The banks
01:08:47.200 don't actually fund legitimate capital investment. They buy government bonds, or they fund
01:08:52.600 speculation. We're not operating a real economy, which is why we said earlier, all these cargo
01:09:00.000 ships are coming to America every day with all this stuff that we didn't make. We're not making
01:09:05.980 it because we don't have the type of economy that is able to produce it. And the banks are a big
01:09:11.000 part of that because they're not lending for capital investment and because Americans aren't
01:09:15.480 saving because rates are so low. I mean, who's going to save money when interest rates are a
01:09:20.120 zero i mean nobody puts money in the bank anymore i mean you'd be a fool to do that do you think the 0.73
01:09:25.680 biggest thing that we're up against as a as a nation from an economic standpoint overall with
01:09:32.220 all the players on the board is greed well i mean there's nothing wrong with with greed
01:09:40.080 but the problem is if your greed you know overcomes your your your your logic or
01:09:47.160 rationality, but also greed needs to be tempered by fear. Both of those emotions need to be there.
01:09:55.240 So in a capitalist economy, people want to make money, but they also don't want to lose money.
01:10:00.340 So they're cognizant of risk. Part of the problem with the Federal Reserve is it doesn't want
01:10:05.780 anybody worried about risk. You may have heard the expression, a Powell put, because they used
01:10:11.740 to have the Greenspan put, and then the Bernanke put, and the Yellen put. And what that means is
01:10:16.080 everybody thinks the Fed's got their back. If anything goes wrong, the government's going to
01:10:20.940 bail them out. See, that's one of the reasons that back in 2008, when the financial crisis hit,
01:10:25.940 I was against all the bailouts. I was against TARP. I wanted everybody who took a risk and lost
01:10:32.420 to lose money. I thought it was important that people get punished for doing something foolish 0.88
01:10:38.600 so they didn't do it again. And I wanted the people that acted responsibly to get rewarded
01:10:43.720 for having bypassed the party, done the right thing, they didn't make all these crazy bets
01:10:49.720 in the subprime market, they should have been able to take over the assets for the people who
01:10:54.260 bid on that and gambled. But even though I blame the Fed for gambling, I remember George Bush at
01:11:02.100 the time said that Wall Street got drunk. He blamed the financial crisis on Wall Street being
01:11:06.840 drunk. And what I was saying back then was, yes, Wall Street was drunk, but where'd they get the
01:11:11.460 liquor, right? It was the Federal Reserve that got everybody drunk. They poured the alcohol.
01:11:17.160 Wall Street just drank it, and they went with it. But the Fed bailed everybody out. And so
01:11:23.940 everybody now operates, hey, let's take a bunch of risk because it doesn't matter because if we
01:11:29.760 lose, we're going to get bailed out. We socialize the losses, but privatize the gains. And that's
01:11:35.000 not capitalism. That doesn't work. But the government does that. You mentioned banks.
01:11:39.900 the government insures all the bank deposits that didn't start until until roosevelt uh in the 30s
01:11:47.140 but that was a horrible idea because now nobody gives a damn what the bank does with their money
01:11:53.560 because the government says hey if the bank fails we're going to give you your money back
01:11:57.300 just put your money in any bank doesn't matter what it does because if it goes under you know
01:12:02.580 we're going to make you whole well then no one gives a damn and so the banks know this the banks
01:12:06.940 know people don't care what kind of risks they take. So the banking system is far riskier today
01:12:13.160 because the government is guaranteeing all the deposits. Before the government did that,
01:12:18.180 people did research before they put their money in a bank. I mean, you were, okay, I'm not going
01:12:23.000 to put my money into any bank. I got to make sure it's a sound bank. And there were a lot of ways
01:12:27.600 you could check on the soundness of a bank. But nobody does that today because the government
01:12:32.240 came in with moral hazard and screwed the whole thing up. And that's one of the reasons why our
01:12:36.640 banking system is constantly in need of a bailout.
01:12:40.060 And in fact, if the Federal Reserve does what it needs to do to save the dollar and stop
01:12:45.220 inflation, every major bank in America will fail.
01:12:48.740 And we bailed them out in 2008.
01:12:51.720 All those banks that were too big to fail, they're so much bigger now.
01:12:55.660 And the damage when they fail is going to be so much greater, which is one of the reasons
01:12:59.380 why the Fed is not going to do the right thing.
01:13:01.720 They're not going to do a Paul Volcker and jack up interest rates.
01:13:04.940 and that's why the dollar is going to crash
01:13:06.840 because inflation is going to run out of control
01:13:09.100 and our creditors are going to realize
01:13:11.120 that the dollar is a bottomless pit
01:13:12.900 and everybody's going to want out.
01:13:14.420 So they would rather protect the banks
01:13:16.620 than protect the currency that fuels this country?
01:13:19.040 Well, they just want to kick the can down the road, right?
01:13:21.660 They know-
01:13:22.520 Deferral.
01:13:22.960 Right, it's like every politician
01:13:25.120 and these central bankers, you know, they're politicians.
01:13:28.460 All they care about is an election's coming up
01:13:30.920 in two years, four years.
01:13:32.200 We just want to push this crisis beyond that election. We don't care how much worse we make it as long as it's somebody else's problem and not ours.
01:13:40.980 Right. And that's all they're doing. And every time we kick the can down the road, we make the problem worse because we it's you know, it's more debt.
01:13:48.480 But it's like if you're an athlete and maybe you injure yourself, you're playing a football
01:13:56.880 game, rather than just coming off the field and letting your injury, they shoot you up
01:14:01.800 with some kind of drug so that you don't feel the pain and you can keep playing.
01:14:07.220 But then you're screwing yourself up more.
01:14:08.920 You're creating an additional injury.
01:14:10.780 The pain is supposed to be, hey, get off that foot or get off that leg.
01:14:14.480 The pain is telling you that there's a problem.
01:14:16.300 But if you numb the pain, then you just make the problem worse by ignoring it.
01:14:20.400 That's what we do.
01:14:20.980 We liquor everybody up or numb us up with cheap money.
01:14:23.520 We cut interest rates.
01:14:24.640 We print money.
01:14:25.520 Instead of fixing the problems, the underlying problems, we allow the underlying problems
01:14:30.900 to get worse.
01:14:32.800 And then eventually, we catch up to it.
01:14:36.800 And oh, my God, now what are we going to do?
01:14:38.920 Oh, now we need to kick the can again.
01:14:40.520 We need even more money printing.
01:14:41.840 So they're just going to look at if we raise interest rates right now, we're going to set
01:14:47.620 off this crisis, we're going to crash these banks, the economy is going to tank, so we
01:14:52.140 can't do it.
01:14:52.900 So we have to print more money.
01:14:55.040 And then they're going to be surprised by the consequence.
01:14:58.140 They're going to get a currency crisis, not because they want one.
01:15:01.080 They don't want one, but they don't want to risk stopping one.
01:15:05.700 So they'd rather just hope they get away with it again, because they've gotten away with
01:15:09.280 it so many times in the past.
01:15:11.560 I mean, people don't even seem to think that the debt is a problem anymore.
01:15:15.020 I mean, years and years ago, when the debt was a lot smaller, remember Ross Perot, when
01:15:19.160 he ran and he was like, he made the deficit a big deal.
01:15:22.260 I mean, the national debt was maybe $5 trillion back then.
01:15:25.420 You know, now it's almost $30 trillion, right?
01:15:27.900 And somehow it doesn't matter.
01:15:30.180 And people keep saying, well, it's not a problem because interest rates are so low.
01:15:34.420 Yeah, but what happens when interest rates go up, right?
01:15:37.540 Then it's a huge problem.
01:15:38.600 but you can't wait for interest rates to go up because you know eventually they're gonna go up
01:15:43.140 but the government operates as if we don't have to worry because rates are low
01:15:46.960 do you know do you know peter has a son who uh like negates him and goes directly against him
01:15:54.100 socially financially or yes on twitter they have twitter bees have you guys yeah well i have i have
01:16:00.720 a 19 year old son named spencer and you know kids like to rebel against their parents and so his 0.98
01:16:07.000 form of rebellion is he buys bitcoin he's like fuck you dad i'm on the blockchain now but and 0.98
01:16:13.720 you know just like a lot of other 19 year olds i mean he's you know gotten taken in by it you know 0.99
01:16:19.600 does he know you're on the show right now no he doesn't i want him to come i want him to come on
01:16:23.960 and debate you but he's not here he doesn't want to debate no is he that sharp a lot of people
01:16:28.780 have he's a very smart guy but is he but is he like i mean he's obviously not smart enough because
01:16:33.480 he's buying bitcoin but you know there are a lot of look there are a lot of people that's what i'm
01:16:37.680 saying he got beef with his own son there are a lot of people that have high iqs that are smart
01:16:43.300 that that own bitcoin because smart people can do foolish things watch you know watch this i think
01:16:47.480 something good's about to happen i'm not sure i'm not sure that he's like a potentially the
01:16:51.540 laziest dog i've ever seen in my life watch watch how he gets off this couch if he decides to move
01:16:55.740 from his half on half off he's like i need someone to aid me right now like here we go this is my
01:17:01.600 favorite well i'm not kidding look he just drops he made it yeah it's every time i get it i get
01:17:13.740 it eventually but also there's a lot of smart people that are touting bitcoin but again i'm
01:17:19.020 always suspicious of the bitcoin pumpers whether or not they're being honest or whether or not
01:17:24.680 they're just you know saying what they have to say to talk up bitcoin because you know whenever
01:17:28.540 you're in bitcoin you need more people to come in and buy it i mean that's how this thing grows
01:17:33.780 it is true it's it's become it's become a community and a movement but you know you just
01:17:38.580 as much as it has a process ties about it you're almost you know it's like you're like you know
01:17:42.400 these are the modern you know harry kirschner's they you know they got to like get more converts
01:17:46.640 because the way bitcoin goes up is new people come in purchase yeah so you got the people that
01:17:51.940 are in have to convince other people to get in and then also the people who are in who want to sell
01:17:58.120 have to convince other people not to sell so i'm always very suspicious because while people are
01:18:05.360 telling other people don't sell any don't sell any you never know what they're actually doing
01:18:09.300 right because all these wallets are anonymous right nobody knows whose wallet is whose you just
01:18:14.260 you can see an address but you don't know who owns it and you also don't know how many addresses
01:18:18.700 belong to the same person right you can look at all these no it's a it's a mess i mean make no
01:18:23.600 mistake this is as wild west as the wild west gets right so this is i mean this is a perfect
01:18:28.780 pump and dump right where people are going to be pumping something up drumming up buying and then
01:18:34.120 quietly selling into the the demand that they've created so some of the smart people may be smart
01:18:40.700 in the sense is that they're just using bitcoin as a way to get rich and they're just saying all
01:18:45.800 this stuff to get other people to want to buy it i mean it's a huge marketing success from that
01:18:51.520 perspective people got into bitcoin in a big way when it was maybe 100 200 300 a coin they bought
01:18:58.580 a bunch of bitcoin and then they spent a ton of money on marketing and they they pumped the thing
01:19:03.960 all the way up to 60 whatever thousand right clearly they're selling right they're getting
01:19:09.220 out i mean they're not holding everything um and and so we call those apps from that perspective
01:19:15.600 paper hands paper hands peter oh diamond hands yeah no no you your paper you have gold hands
01:19:23.160 yeah well i don't have any hands because i'm not in there but you were asking me about my son no
01:19:26.940 hands so yeah my son and you know i mean there's a lot of you know people there's so many memes now
01:19:32.040 that come out you know um like one of the recent ones was uh rich son poor dad right because you
01:19:38.300 know i'm the poor dad because you know i don't have any any any big because he's hot his own way
01:19:42.880 yeah yeah wait go on sorry you mine is so dumb i just want to know if you've ever actually like 0.79
01:19:48.620 went hunting for gold no like in the trenches i end up going on that that treasure ship with 0.92
01:19:54.280 these guys mine was dumb but um no i've never been out well there you know there are people
01:19:58.300 that pan for gold yeah is that you no i've never actually so you're not you're not like peter pan 0.86
01:20:02.260 i'm not a prospector i'm not a prospector i all i was gonna say to you was because this is a
01:20:08.520 completely topic i'd like to have a little bit of fun but you're from connecticut from the same
01:20:12.420 neck of the woods is me yeah i live well yeah i was born in connecticut and i lived in connecticut
01:20:17.720 and i still have a house in connecticut who do you think did more drugs you or mike
01:20:20.540 well probably mike because i didn't i didn't do a lot of you don't smoke weed
01:20:24.320 well i i don't need to discuss that here but i'm so no he's certainly not a big smoker
01:20:31.160 i was simply going to ask you who there's a lot of good pizza in the world who by chance has the
01:20:37.560 best pizza in the world we already discussed that it's in new haven but i but i also but i also like
01:20:43.040 the new york pizza okay i mean but yeah who's your what's your go-to in new haven do you have
01:20:47.140 a favorite well i don't get there very often but peppy is where you talk about yeah but um
01:20:51.880 but um yeah you know who's no my father's buried in the haven really yeah do we want to talk about
01:20:57.420 him at all are you open up shift yeah you could talk about him yeah i've got some notes about
01:21:01.280 your dad actually can i just read these notes so here's would you write yeah yeah i guess what if
01:21:08.560 he was like nah his father was a prominent figure in the u.s tax protester movement he died in
01:21:16.560 federal prison in october 2015 while he was serving a sentence of at least 13 years for tax evasion
01:21:20.960 yeah although technically i mean he was in jail because of his political beliefs okay so i think 0.99
01:21:28.040 he was a political prisoner which is you know so fuck my thing fuck my producer dylan who wrote 0.96
01:21:32.940 he remember that's i mean that's fine but i mean but yeah technically um but actually if you go 0.99
01:21:38.240 back to my father's conviction um you know he was that he always said that he was never convicted
01:21:44.640 of tax evasion because the jury came back and they said well um can the government find you know
01:21:53.360 is he guilty even if the government doesn't prove that he committed tax evasion? And the judge
01:21:59.680 basically told the jury, yes, that you can convict them even if the government didn't prove their
01:22:03.520 case. So, I mean, the government wanted my father convicted and the judge was basically there to
01:22:10.520 make sure that a conviction occurred. It wasn't like it was a neutral setting and my father got
01:22:16.440 a fair trial. In fact, he didn't even have a lawyer. He represented himself and his hearing
01:22:20.700 aid wasn't even working. He couldn't even hear half the stuff, you know, because he was an older
01:22:24.700 guy, even when he had the trial. But the thing with my dad is, you know, my dad wasn't somebody
01:22:30.200 that just didn't pay taxes because he was trying to cheat, right, that he was trying to get extra
01:22:34.860 money. My father told the government, I'm not paying taxes. And here's why, right? It's a legal
01:22:40.940 argument. It's a constitutional argument. And it wasn't over a lot of money, right? It was a small
01:22:46.360 amount of money. And my father, if he would have filed tax returns, could have easily found enough
01:22:52.760 deductions to pay very little. And in fact, if my father just stopped paying taxes, the government
01:23:00.180 would have left him alone. It was only because he was very public about the fact that he was not
01:23:05.560 paying taxes. And a lot of other people started following his advice. They said, hey, this guy
01:23:10.540 Irwin Schiff's not paying taxes, and he's not in jail, so I'm going to stop paying taxes. So they
01:23:15.020 really wanted to make an example of him so they they they put him in jail but he wasn't a criminal
01:23:21.920 and that he didn't have any criminal intent he didn't believe he owed any taxes it's different
01:23:26.980 if somebody thinks they owe taxes and then they try to hide their money or they file false returns
01:23:31.480 my father didn't do any of that right so he didn't have a criminal mentality he was it was a principle
01:23:37.880 thing right so did you did you ever have a conversation with him just candidly and be like
01:23:41.520 dad was it worth it because 13 years in prison depending more last time he was in jail a couple
01:23:46.980 of other times so so is it worth it you know i you know my dad you know to his dying uh you know
01:23:54.480 breath you know he was still committed uh to fighting this fight i mean he was obsessed with
01:24:00.300 it and you know he died you know chained to a hospital bed he had a handcuff around his his
01:24:06.520 ankle oh my god and you know my dad was diagnosed terminal uh lung cancer and they said he had about
01:24:14.540 four months to live and i think he only ended up living for two but i tried to get him released
01:24:19.060 on a compassionate release just you know let him die you know and they still wouldn't let him out
01:24:23.260 um and and and the horrible part about it is so my dad when my dad was in prison when he was 80
01:24:29.960 years old he was in prison in new york about 50 minutes from my house so i used to be able to
01:24:34.900 visit him on the weekends. And when he turned 80, they said, okay, you're too old now. You got to go
01:24:39.920 to a hospital prison. And so they sent him out to Indiana and far away. So I didn't get to see him
01:24:46.080 as often because it was a plane, fly out there. So it was less convenient. We talked on the phone
01:24:51.140 a lot, but I wasn't able to physically visit as much or not nearly as much. But he was supposedly
01:24:57.560 there with a hospital. Well, meanwhile, my father got a skin cancer on his head that the government
01:25:04.340 did nothing about it the doctors didn't treat it had they treated it he may still be alive today
01:25:09.420 maybe he would have actually but that was like that i mean this is super simplifying it but it
01:25:14.460 seems like a little bit of a oh now you need our help well when you put someone in jail you're
01:25:21.020 supposed to give them medical care i mean they can't leave right but it sounds like he he was
01:25:24.980 definitely targeted a little bit oh yeah to say the targeting well i don't know i don't know if
01:25:29.200 he got worse treatment than a normal inmate or if that's just how the government treats the inmates
01:25:33.880 But for people who want government health care, I mean, basically, my dad, the guy to skin cancer because they didn't do anything about it.
01:25:40.060 And, you know, and when I even got the records, I mean, some doctors actually weren't even supposed to show me the records.
01:25:46.000 I actually got some of these health records to show how, you know, how they basically kill them.
01:25:50.700 And because by the time they they caught it, it was all over his body, you know, and it was really bad in his lungs.
01:25:56.580 um but you know when he was lying in his bed right he was breathing through a tube
01:26:04.620 and he couldn't eat right because he's eating through like intravenous yet they still had
01:26:09.420 him handcuffed and they still had a guard in the room i'm like what are you doing he can't
01:26:13.200 at what age 87 it's like can you just take that handcuff off of him so he doesn't have to lie 0.96
01:26:19.960 what was that oh shit what was that like for you that was it was so sad i mean you know i mean you 0.94
01:26:25.280 You know, I mean, just seeing him there and, you know, because I had a fly out. 0.99
01:26:28.800 He died in a it was a jail in Texas, in Dallas.
01:26:33.640 But it was a hospital, but it was like a wing where where they where they take the inmates.
01:26:39.360 But but my father was certainly not a criminal, you know, although one, you know, one piece of trivia that I always think is interesting is that there's there have been two books in the history of America.
01:26:53.400 that the federal government banned right the first one was this book called fanny hill
01:26:59.360 and i think it was some in the 1800s and the government banned it because they claimed it was
01:27:04.400 pornographic right you know by today's standards i mean comic books probably have more porn
01:27:09.360 than this thing but so the government banned it the other book that was banned was the federal
01:27:14.640 mafia written by my dad and they actually banned my father from selling that book they didn't ban
01:27:20.900 other people from selling it but he was the publisher and they banned him from selling that
01:27:25.060 book to anybody wow um but yeah i mean but there's still copies of the book i mean people i mean you
01:27:31.380 could buy i mean i still have a few copies i got a website shift books you know where i still have
01:27:36.100 a few copies i'd love to get a cop yeah yeah but i mean but it's there's not that many books that
01:27:41.320 the government has banned obviously you know it's a first amendment issue because it was a political
01:27:45.600 book right it wasn't you know yeah but you could own Mein Kampf well yeah the government doesn't
01:27:51.300 care about that but obviously you can read Karl Marx's communist manifesto my father
01:27:55.380 Grimes was reading it yeah the government my dad told you how not to pay taxes that was what they
01:28:00.120 didn't oh so it's yeah so it's like if it's like if Breaking Bad put out a like a book on how to
01:28:04.760 cook meth yeah like yeah maybe still read a book on how you cook yeah they didn't ban it yeah you
01:28:09.820 know but yeah because my mom told me at a very young age you want to cook meth kid cook meth 0.99
01:28:16.280 you want to fucking ride motorcycles too fast you want to do whatever the fuck you want don't you 1.00
01:28:21.860 ever ever fuck with the irs don't you fuck the problem though with my with my dad's book is it 1.00
01:28:28.560 was very persuasive because he had copies of the internal revenue code constitution supreme court 1.00
01:28:34.480 cases he had a lot of things backing him up so the government couldn't really refute what he said
01:28:39.060 So it's a really good.
01:28:40.320 Yeah, let's just ban it because, you know, a lot of what my father said was true.
01:28:44.200 But I've never advocated that people follow his advice because, A, I saw what happened to him.
01:28:49.780 But I know that nobody is going to get a fair trial in a tax case.
01:28:54.880 I mean, if you commit murder, right, you'll probably get a fair trial.
01:28:58.740 I mean, most likely.
01:28:59.300 Maybe some people don't.
01:29:00.960 But, you know, but if you do something where the government, right, like you're in a tax case where it's the government against you,
01:29:09.060 In a government court, you are not going to get a fair trial, right?
01:29:12.660 The jury is, you know, it's, you know, they're going to tell the jury, you let this person
01:29:16.620 go and you're not going to get your social security checks anymore, right?
01:29:19.440 You know, they want to make sure that-
01:29:22.600 Leverage.
01:29:23.120 Yeah.
01:29:23.280 So I tell people, look, even if my father was technically correct on his view of the
01:29:28.740 law and his reading of these court cases, and I've talked to people personally, right?
01:29:33.860 lawyers judges you know who have told me right I think your father is right I think his reading
01:29:41.200 of the law is correct but he's not going to get away with it so I've heard this firsthand from
01:29:46.100 people who are you know again professional lawyers judges telling me that my dad was right
01:29:51.280 but you know the government couldn't allow him to be right so so basically so I know that people
01:29:57.300 I don't because I think the government is corrupt and I don't think we have a you know a fair
01:30:02.360 society i tell people look do what the government says the government tells you to pay taxes pay
01:30:07.560 taxes even if legally you're not required it doesn't matter because they make the rules they
01:30:12.120 have the guns they have the jails right and so you know you just gotta do what they tell you even if
01:30:17.040 what they're telling you is unconstitutional or illegal so just to bring it back full circle as
01:30:21.700 kind of an end cap on that that's why whenever somebody looks at me and says regulation on
01:30:27.660 crypto the government can't do that well trust me man well they look if they if they declared
01:30:35.620 it as contraband if the u.s government decided look crypto is is like can you imagine well china 0.86
01:30:42.400 i mean china's already look they're about to force people to get vaccinated right i mean they're 0.55
01:30:46.480 basically saying we can do something for the common good right because they're saying that
01:30:50.680 you need to get vaccinated not for yourself but because it's good for society so if the government
01:30:55.660 says bitcoin is bad for society it's undermining our banking system our currency it's it's enabling
01:31:02.340 a criminal activity you know we need to you know you're you're you're you're you're a terrorist if
01:31:08.240 you own bitcoin right you're you're you're you're no longer a patriot it and so we're going to just
01:31:13.120 make it illegal and they say okay if you're caught with any bitcoin it's a year in jail it's five
01:31:19.460 years in jail it's ten thousand dollar penalty i mean who the hell is going to touch it yeah but
01:31:24.780 also who's gonna enforce that oh my god well i don't know nightmare but it's all on it's all on
01:31:29.480 the internet i mean there's a there's a you know it's there's a trail of everything you do you know
01:31:33.220 it's wild to me i was just gonna say like historically i look at how many times the
01:31:37.140 government has been wrong or has like revoked a decision and it happens so much throughout
01:31:43.520 history more than more than i'd like to i mean acknowledge anyways even just like in
01:31:49.900 from the beginning of this country like oh yeah there's a part of the constitution that said 0.93
01:31:56.160 this this human is is 40 less than me on on when it comes to voting what the fuck even with 0.96
01:32:04.600 prohibition just alcohol is illegal now and then then it's not bro look at and so like i just well 0.97
01:32:13.120 at least we had respect for the constitution back then because when they wanted to prohibit alcohol
01:32:17.660 they amended the constitution to do it because they knew the government had no authority
01:32:21.820 to outlaw drinking but today i mean they just government does whatever it wants i mean nobody
01:32:27.340 amends the constitution for anything because the constitution doesn't have any meaning anymore the
01:32:31.240 government just gets away with whatever it wants which is another reason it would be easy to outlaw
01:32:37.220 bitcoin if they wanted to but again i don't think they're going to right i don't think the government
01:32:41.580 is going to outlaw it i think they want to tax it and they want to regulate it they don't want
01:32:46.280 to outlaw it. If they were threatened by it, then they would outlaw it. So the way I've always said
01:32:51.580 or looked at it is if Bitcoin succeeds, the government will kill it. If it fails, well,
01:32:57.380 it just dies of natural causes. But if it does succeed, it will be a victim of its own success
01:33:03.200 because the government hates competition. And if they actually saw Bitcoin as competition
01:33:09.260 for the US dollar or threatening the dollar status, they would clamp down.
01:33:13.960 what about a third option what's where we all win what about what about i don't know what if the
01:33:20.820 government it what if it succeeds and the government adopts it well why would they do
01:33:26.380 that because because what what's okay so you have all these this tethered stuff no speculation not
01:33:31.060 tether for example but usdc and all these you know whatever other coins that are stable coins
01:33:36.200 pegged to the us dollar exactly why doesn't why doesn't the government just say oh yeah you're
01:33:40.700 ours now well they're not going to want bitcoin because the government can't create bitcoin but
01:33:45.380 look do i think the government is tempted or likes the idea of a digital currency that's a digital
01:33:53.540 dollar absolutely the government would like it but i i don't like it as a as an american because
01:33:59.760 what that does is that gives the government even more power over the population because right now
01:34:05.800 if you have a you know you have a wallet and you have dollar bills or federal reserve notes in
01:34:10.300 there you can go out and buy stuff and the government doesn't know that you did it right
01:34:14.360 the government is not spying on your every transaction but if the government can succeed
01:34:19.400 in eliminating all paper currency and force us to do every transaction there's a ledger
01:34:24.640 built a system that we thought decentralized to work for us that we decentralized to work
01:34:29.640 right we end up empowering the government pop and son of a that's why they're not taking it
01:34:34.160 out they're like they're like keep going go we see but now the government and and what people 0.89
01:34:39.960 forget there are a lot of that's fucked and by the way that's gonna happen we built it for them 1.00
01:34:43.960 yeah there are a lot of people those you fucked us fucking assholes damn it like you sent 22 1.00
01:34:50.100 million dollars to this wallet which belongs to an international arms dealer it's on the internet 1.00
01:34:54.820 you're going to jail on it right but it ends up backfiring and it gives the government more power
01:35:01.340 And the reason you don't want the government knowing every single transaction that you make, right, is they have too much personal information about you.
01:35:09.960 And a lot of people think, well, I'm not doing anything wrong, so what difference does it make?
01:35:13.760 Are you about to bring this into data?
01:35:15.120 Well, huh?
01:35:16.320 Are you about to bring this into a data conversation?
01:35:18.160 What I'm talking about is you may be doing things that are totally legal that you don't – that are not wrong, but the government may end up using it against you in some way in the future.
01:35:28.340 And the government could be very corrupt in the future.
01:35:31.340 And one of the ways that we keep the government from getting corrupt is the ability to violate
01:35:36.800 corrupt laws, right?
01:35:38.140 If the government passes very bad laws, people may not want to follow those laws if they're
01:35:42.620 wrong.
01:35:43.460 But if they can track you and find out who the lawbreakers are, because they know every
01:35:49.520 single transaction that you've made, it makes it harder to mount the resistance against
01:35:55.820 a corrupt government.
01:35:56.780 So you never want to put a government in a position where it has so much information about every single citizen and you have no way. 0.98
01:36:04.900 That's actually fucking wild. 0.99
01:36:05.960 You just ruined my fucking wild. 1.00
01:36:07.780 Dude, what if, what fucking if Satoshi is actually Ronald fucking Reagan? 1.00
01:36:15.800 It's possible. 1.00
01:36:16.480 Ronald Reagan's dead, right?
01:36:17.660 It's possible.
01:36:18.280 Okay, okay. 1.00
01:36:18.800 So, so, so, so, shit. 0.99
01:36:21.400 Let's walk that back one. 1.00
01:36:23.500 George Bush.
01:36:24.100 like what if satoshi is a member of the government who's like power to the people 0.98
01:36:28.080 decentralization so that all these people are like dude now the government can't fuck with me 0.99
01:36:32.380 only so that the government could fuck with them oh my god we're the bugs yes maybe correct we're 0.97
01:36:38.600 the bugs maybe what happens is when all these currencies crash and then the government say 0.99
01:36:43.720 see we told you capitalism doesn't work you can't trust this you need you need uh the dollar right
01:36:49.720 But we'll we'll now make a digital dollar because you all want a digital currency.
01:36:54.020 You just don't want the ones that failed.
01:36:56.180 We're going to use a new one that will succeed because it's going to be backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government.
01:37:03.500 But also what I don't like about it is it gives the Federal Reserve even more power to just play around with the money supply and interest rates, negative interest rates.
01:37:12.260 You know, they can do even more damage.
01:37:13.980 My economy. 1.00
01:37:14.860 My favorite is all of the crypto people always tell me,
01:37:21.080 they're like, I made so-and-so amount of money this year,
01:37:23.520 and I don't got to pay taxes on it.
01:37:25.880 How do you think that's going to end up?
01:37:28.120 Well, you know, that's a question now on the front page of a 1040.
01:37:32.000 Did you trade any crypto currency?
01:37:34.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:37:35.260 And the minute you check that, you know that you're like,
01:37:37.940 all right, now they're going to be looking into,
01:37:39.420 that's why they want to look at your bank accounts.
01:37:41.120 They want to see, are you depositing any money?
01:37:43.600 because they want to see if the money you're spending
01:37:46.820 and the checks you're writing, if that jives.
01:37:49.500 Like if you're on your tax return, yeah, I made $40,000,
01:37:53.300 and they look through your bank account,
01:37:54.860 and they see you spend $100,000 on something.
01:37:57.000 Well, where'd you get that money?
01:37:58.380 You only earned $40,000.
01:37:59.700 They want to put all this together.
01:38:01.480 They want to look at these tax returns,
01:38:03.400 and then they want to look at all this bank information,
01:38:06.600 and they want to see.
01:38:07.880 But there's a lot of people that probably don't even know
01:38:10.640 how much money they owe on taxes that are trading.
01:38:13.600 Now, the people that just buy Bitcoin and never sell it, obviously, they don't have-
01:38:17.360 Yeah, they're chilling.
01:38:17.900 But you got people that are like buying one cryptocurrency, selling it and getting another
01:38:22.900 one, getting another one, trading them.
01:38:24.840 They don't realize that every single transaction is a taxable event as far as the IRS is concerned.
01:38:30.720 And also, all these spinoffs, these coins fork, and you get some coins, and then you
01:38:35.920 sell that.
01:38:36.560 I mean, your cost basis was zero, and then you sold it.
01:38:40.260 And so there's a lot of taxes.
01:38:41.580 and people forget if you didn't pay those taxes,
01:38:44.660 by the time you find out about it,
01:38:46.320 now there's interest in penalties
01:38:47.900 and that stuff adds up very quickly.
01:38:51.660 And if you make a lot of money,
01:38:53.460 let's say you make a lot of money in crypto one year
01:38:56.400 and you don't pay your taxes
01:38:58.400 and then you lose it back the next year,
01:39:01.260 when they audit you,
01:39:02.540 they're not gonna give you credit for those losses.
01:39:04.740 You didn't pay taxes on the year you made money.
01:39:06.880 You still owe the taxes,
01:39:08.540 even if you lost it back the next year, right?
01:39:10.700 So let's say somebody makes $100,000 in cryptocurrency in 2021.
01:39:17.000 They don't pay any taxes on it.
01:39:18.280 Then in 2022, they lose back the whole $100,000.
01:39:21.800 So they're basically flat.
01:39:23.520 The government finds out you didn't pay on 2021.
01:39:26.880 Oh, you owe $40,000 in taxes.
01:39:28.500 Because you can't retroactively.
01:39:29.680 No, you can't carry the loss back. 1.00
01:39:31.460 People are about to get fucked. 0.98
01:39:32.540 Yeah, and then they're going to be like, oh, and you owe interest and you owe penalties. 0.98
01:39:36.260 And now you can end up owing more than the $100,000 that you originally earned.
01:39:39.260 But what if you try to just give them a shit ton of Shiba Inu coins?
01:39:43.500 I probably can't even say that.
01:39:44.500 Will the government accept Dogecoin, you think?
01:39:46.340 They only accept dollars.
01:39:48.680 No Dogecoin.
01:39:49.640 Yeah, I mean, they will accept legal tender coins, but only at face value.
01:39:54.440 So you wouldn't want to pay in gold or silver.
01:39:56.680 You'd want to pay in paper.
01:39:58.520 But you can't pay your taxes in Bitcoin.
01:40:02.400 You have to sell your Bitcoin to pay your taxes.
01:40:04.600 And the minute you sell your Bitcoin to pay your taxes, you owe another tax.
01:40:08.020 Yeah, exactly.
01:40:08.620 i love how if you bought it at a lower price i love how he brought up you could technically 0.99
01:40:13.180 pay them in gold just to smack you in the face just fucking buy the gold let's say 0.99
01:40:17.340 if you want to give the u.s government a twenty dollar gold piece right which might be worth a 0.99
01:40:23.120 couple thousand dollars they'll take it they'll take it and give you a twenty dollars they'll
01:40:26.660 give you credit for twenty dollars because it is legal tender right but you why would you want to
01:40:31.320 do that you wouldn't give them a two thousand dollars if they're only going to credit you for
01:40:34.580 20 bucks you collect art you ever buy art i don't collect it we have art in the house but i'm not
01:40:40.300 i mean i'm not buying you know real expensive art would you ever buy an nft strictly because you
01:40:44.760 like the way it looked or maybe it was uh made or produced by prominent artists of sorts well
01:40:48.960 the thing with nfts to me is i don't think the nfts are ever going to have the value of an actual
01:40:56.760 physical thing what if it's both well i think if you have an nft and a physical thing that you get
01:41:03.620 together, I think that can have value. But again, it's going to be penned on a lot of, you know,
01:41:10.200 scarcity, how many of these things there are, you know. But I think if you look at all the people
01:41:16.140 that are coming up with NFTs, I mean, they are inundating the world right now with these things
01:41:20.100 because lots of people are supplying them into the market because there's a lot of demand.
01:41:24.940 Where is the demand? It's a new thing. People think they're going to make money.
01:41:28.300 Yeah, it's a hype train right now.
01:41:29.700 And so, but eventually what happens is you saturate the market with supply, it's no longer
01:41:35.360 new, and the price crashes, right?
01:41:38.080 So there's going to be, I mean, a lot of people are going to lose a lot of money in these
01:41:42.260 things.
01:41:42.640 I mean, obviously, people who create them and sell them, I mean, they get real money
01:41:45.980 for coming up with them.
01:41:47.180 But do I think that there will be some value for these non-fungible tokens?
01:41:52.900 Yes, some of them, but nowhere near what people are thinking today.
01:41:57.000 If you look at what the prices that people are paying and they're buying them where they
01:42:01.300 have no connection to anything real.
01:42:04.800 I mean, I think there is value.
01:42:06.440 There are, there are some, by the way, there, there are some, um, that do, that do have
01:42:11.120 a connection to something physical.
01:42:13.140 I, I'll give you an example.
01:42:14.460 Um, uh, Tom Sachs, I actually don't know much about this, but Tom Sachs rocket factory.
01:42:18.660 Uh, it's an NFT where you could buy a nose, uh, uh, a body and a tail of a rocket.
01:42:24.800 and this guy tom sacks who's uh i'm gonna be flamed for this he's a sculptorist i believe
01:42:30.640 like a really renowned artist whose pieces are real life pieces sell for a lot of money
01:42:34.420 um he builds that rocket that you built as long as you have the three pieces that you can assemble
01:42:41.260 and put together in this online platform he builds the rocket and then he launches it and
01:42:47.600 then he goes and retrieves it and you get it you receive it does something like that entice you
01:42:52.780 I don't know I mean how much does it cost
01:42:55.060 Well my rocket was like
01:42:56.980 Probably like 30k
01:42:58.240 I don't know sounds like a lot of money 0.92
01:43:00.340 What about this you got a crypto punk
01:43:03.580 No
01:43:04.340 Do you want one
01:43:05.780 What am I gonna do with it
01:43:07.900 Make it your profile picture
01:43:09.200 If you did that I promise you'll get invited to
01:43:13.520 But what is a crypto punk
01:43:15.580 A crypto punk
01:43:16.840 Crypto punk I got one around my neck right now
01:43:19.340 That's a crypto punk
01:43:20.860 but it's also an nft but it's it's a necklace yeah i made it into a necklace of it yeah and
01:43:28.900 you and it's just a it's an image yeah yeah but do people trade them like you know like digital
01:43:34.160 beanie babies absolutely but are are they are they the same what was the what was the original
01:43:38.320 like the crypto kitties crypto kitties was one of the first yes but also anybody buying no no no
01:43:44.260 crypto well the model was silly it was it has always been sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry the
01:43:48.380 product was silly silly the model made sense and was emulated and a couple of projects did it
01:43:52.880 successfully crypto punks was one of them and and they're they're popping right now so i'm saying 0.76
01:43:56.840 like would you would you ever buy a crypto punk i don't know the pad you know i you know i have to
01:44:01.840 look at them but i mean most likely anything crypto to me at this point is probably overpriced
01:44:07.320 and hyped up so you know especially these well maybe they're not over yeah they are dude you
01:44:14.260 From what I understand, they're going to a $10 million floor, man.
01:44:17.440 So there's an expression, I think it was John Templeton that said, I want to buy assets when there's blood in the streets.
01:44:26.180 So when everybody is dumping us, I mean, if you think there's any value in any of these things.
01:44:32.940 But, you know, I hear people again, you know, I go back to guys like Michael Saylor, who's always talking about, you know, the digital property and digital, you know, digital assets.
01:44:42.500 And look, he talks about digital music.
01:44:44.560 Yeah, music is fine because you just listen to it.
01:44:47.620 I mean, music can be digital.
01:44:49.780 I can read a digital book because I'm reading words.
01:44:52.460 I don't need to have the actual book to read it.
01:44:55.160 I can read it digitally.
01:44:56.820 But there are a lot of property that needs to be physical.
01:45:00.440 I mean, you just can't replicate it digitally.
01:45:03.700 I mean, I can have a digital car, but I can't actually go anywhere in it.
01:45:07.420 I can't sit in it and drive anyplace.
01:45:09.120 I can't take a date.
01:45:09.820 In the metaverse, you can.
01:45:10.840 but yeah but there's not gonna be any value to that no not true how much but you can you can
01:45:16.300 make an unlimited number of digital cars in the metaverse because you don't need any actual raw
01:45:21.320 materials you can just replicate them which is the beauty of it yes but they're not going to
01:45:25.740 be valuable like you're removing a massive part of the equation and you've done it this entire show
01:45:31.220 you base your thoughts and your predictions and your decisions in something called logic
01:45:37.980 that is now gone people will buy if you say yo digital doggy style doggies are the next hot thing
01:45:47.300 and if you put a million in it'll be worth a billion dollars dude people are gonna buy digital
01:45:52.440 doggies dude they'll do it because digital dogs are so much better than actual dogs you don't
01:45:57.040 have to feed them you don't have to walk them don't listen to tamagotchis right but the thing
01:46:01.560 is you don't get the same emotional joy out of a digital dog as you get out of an actual dog and
01:46:08.480 so it's worth walking them and feeding them and it's provocative it gets the people going right
01:46:13.960 but i also don't buy my dog because i think i'm going to trade it for a more expensive dog you
01:46:18.200 know but that reminds me i always remember this joke you know with crypto because all these
01:46:23.140 cryptocurrencies right everybody is just you know they're trading them you're trading your ether for
01:46:28.340 your NFT. I mean, everybody is trading one crypto for another and they keep marking up the price
01:46:33.740 and everybody thinks they're getting rich. And it always reminds me of the old joke about this guy
01:46:38.160 who wanted to sell his dog. And he's going to sell his dog. And when his buddy says,
01:46:44.280 hey, what are you doing? I'm going to sell my dog. Oh, really? What do you think you're going
01:46:48.120 to get for him? I'm going to get $10,000 for this dog. And the guy's like, you'll never get $10,000
01:46:53.680 for that dog yes i am i'm gonna get ten thousand dollars for the dog so anyway he goes out um and
01:47:00.360 on the way back he's coming back and he doesn't have the dog and the you know the guy says did
01:47:07.300 you ever sell your dog yeah i sold the dog really how much has he got i got ten thousand like really
01:47:12.780 you're telling me you got ten thousand dollars cash for that dog well you know i didn't actually
01:47:17.700 get cash i traded them for two five thousand dollar cats and and and you know that's basically
01:47:23.440 what what's going on with uh with cryptos i mean it doesn't matter i mean they're all nothing and
01:47:29.340 you know you can assign a value to each one of these cryptos and you just exchange them and you
01:47:33.880 pretend that you know you're exchanging real value but it's just one worthless token being used to
01:47:38.260 buy another one i wouldn't say worthless i wouldn't say well it's not worthless in a sense that
01:47:43.420 somebody will buy it there is a price i mean i mean even just like like i i i believe in in the
01:47:50.800 the tech and the um use case of nfts i think which is why i'm so bullish about the space and
01:47:58.160 non-fungible yeah look nfts could have a value i don't think they're going to have this big
01:48:03.120 collector value that a lot of people see well because it's not it's not always collect the
01:48:07.780 bulls right that's which is why you know there's there's all sorts of different and and and people
01:48:12.380 are buying them because they think they're going to sell them at a higher price. So that may not be
01:48:16.520 ultimately what they're used for. But Warren Buffett, this is a Warren Buffett saying,
01:48:22.320 price is what you pay, value is what you get. So you can pay any price for something,
01:48:27.620 but that doesn't mean that's what it's worth. There's a market for something,
01:48:32.260 and somebody may be willing to pay you something at that moment in time, regardless of what the
01:48:37.880 underlying worth is right like a lot of uh companies in the dot-com era people were paying
01:48:43.460 very high prices to buy the stock but the companies were actually worthless because they never created
01:48:49.300 any profits and they never did and they and they went bankrupt yep but people were willing to buy
01:48:54.400 them despite the fact that they were actually worthless they just didn't realize they were 0.96
01:48:58.140 worthless when they were buying them this is you're talking about shit coins now they the 0.99
01:49:01.740 equivalent of that well they're all shit coins no no no no no that's no but that's his stance 0.99
01:49:06.320 the whole show i mean that's his stance yeah and also and also he he may dude like to his point in 0.99
01:49:12.360 the long on the long term he may listen i'll be completely transparent transparent i'm fucking 0.75
01:49:18.280 long ether i'm an ether holder i have been for a long fucking time so i've just been listening to 0.84
01:49:22.920 you i i respect all of your your beliefs and decisions and i'm and i'm gonna continue to look 0.61
01:49:27.460 into it his belief is that the the idea of this coin era is a pump he's not saying the same about
01:49:34.680 nfts he's saying nfts connected to utility is something he believes in he's just saying
01:49:38.460 crypto coins in general he believes will not prove out to be the currency unless they're
01:49:43.900 backed by something real you just can't create one out of nothing and say this nothing has value
01:49:50.740 but i think what's funny is when you see the bitcoin maximalist types right because they have
01:49:55.160 to kind of criticize all the other coins that aren't bitcoin especially when you start talking
01:50:00.460 about the dogecoin and they talk about how well that coin was is a joke they don't get the joke
01:50:06.480 because bitcoin is the same thing i mean that that's the point is that anything you can say
01:50:11.860 negative about dogecoin you can say the exact same thing about bitcoin right you can't criticize
01:50:17.160 bitcoin it's like if you live in a crypto glass house you can't throw stones but these guys are
01:50:22.740 all talking about how you know this thing is a joke i don't i just don't i think that's where
01:50:27.300 me and you were going to have to agree to disagree i i feel like there's a certain level
01:50:32.860 of technology that's built into to both bitcoin and some of these other high level coins that
01:50:38.040 have investments in the trillions that you know are palpable well a lot of people have come in
01:50:44.360 to support bitcoin but that doesn't mean no i know but that's not what i'm saying i think there's
01:50:49.140 proof of i think there's proof of use cases as long as blockchain and the the payment of
01:50:54.260 of products using cryptocurrencies is that is a is a doable thing so that's the other thing that's
01:51:00.360 all ridiculous that bitcoin has value because of proof of work right because hey the fact that i
01:51:05.540 mined this bitcoin this is proof that i wasted all this energy creating this bitcoin but i mean
01:51:12.360 there's no value just because you did work i mean if i if i spent half a day digging a ditch and
01:51:18.440 then i spent another half of the day filling the ditch back up right i did a lot of work maybe i
01:51:23.040 can prove that i did the work i have images of the ditch and i so i worked all day but at the
01:51:28.260 end of the day i've got nothing to show for it i mean the ground looks exactly the way it did so
01:51:31.840 just because i did work it's the value of what you produce unless you found some gold down there
01:51:36.980 well yeah well but that's different i'm just talking about digging well because so am i
01:51:42.380 because just because i did work and i hear a lot of people you know because you use energy to
01:51:48.760 produce bitcoin they somehow think that bitcoin represents that energy no it doesn't the energy
01:51:53.920 is gone i can't liberate that energy from my bitcoin and i can't plug something into my
01:51:59.120 bitcoin and get that energy just so you know shift they're working on it okay but they're 0.78
01:52:03.360 doing bitcoin powered cars all right you're just fucking stuck in whatever whatever energy we use
01:52:08.680 to create bitcoin could have been used to create something else instead we wasted it creating 1.00
01:52:12.700 nothing because you there's a lot of work to create a bitcoin brock pierce is gonna beat your ass i 0.99
01:52:17.660 dude dude dude brock was at that dinner brock was at the dinner and he goes he wanted to come on 0.99
01:52:22.340 directly after you oh on your on your podcast yeah we'll get him on he's out right now he's out
01:52:28.740 um oh he travels a lot yeah but he wanted to come on directly after you and i think it'd be
01:52:32.900 really interesting to have you guys yeah we've got to have us on the same time that's what we
01:52:37.780 you know the thing is that'd be crazy i mean there's so many crypto people around here i mean
01:52:44.020 Now I'm like outnumbered.
01:52:45.340 I mean, they're all over it.
01:52:45.680 No, I know.
01:52:46.240 They're standing outside of his house like,
01:52:47.660 No, look.
01:52:49.340 Come on, buddy. 0.70
01:52:50.960 Their pitchforks are torches.
01:52:52.900 But also, question.
01:52:54.040 What if the government, when they go along with Bitcoin,
01:52:57.640 they use Bitcoin itself to emulate gold?
01:53:01.360 What do you mean?
01:53:02.440 Same way that we do with money.
01:53:03.860 What if they give that the same leeway?
01:53:06.080 That's kind of what he was saying before.
01:53:08.300 He just said that a cryptocurrency that's backed by the government.
01:53:11.520 What if it does?
01:53:12.080 What if it gets backed by the government?
01:53:12.840 The US government isn't going to want to do that because, see, gold, the reason we went
01:53:16.640 off the gold standard in the first place is because the government didn't want to be
01:53:20.780 disciplined by gold, because gold forces government to be honest, because the government just
01:53:25.360 can't print gold.
01:53:26.680 And that's another reason why it wouldn't want Bitcoin, because it can't print Bitcoin
01:53:29.780 either.
01:53:30.700 The government wants to be able to create money out of thin air, because that's how it can
01:53:35.620 pretend to be Santa Claus.
01:53:37.040 Because when you're on a gold standard, you can't run these big deficits.
01:53:40.380 You can't run the trade deficit.
01:53:41.780 You can't run the budget deficit.
01:53:42.840 And so if the government wants to spend money, they need to raise taxes.
01:53:46.660 They need to collect gold to spend it, right?
01:53:50.640 Government wants to promise people something for nothing.
01:53:53.440 They can't do that when they're disciplined by a gold standard.
01:53:56.800 So I don't think the US government would go back to a gold standard unless they had
01:54:00.400 no choice because everything was collapsing.
01:54:02.360 But I do think, let's say a country like China, China doesn't have the reserve currency,
01:54:07.660 but China is the world's biggest producer of gold.
01:54:10.820 and they don't even export any gold.
01:54:13.860 So what are they doing with all the gold that they're producing?
01:54:16.200 Creating meaningful actual currency.
01:54:18.720 I think they created NFTs for them.
01:54:20.520 I think the Chinese government, though,
01:54:22.300 they have an incentive to back the R&B with gold and say,
01:54:26.380 hey, we've got a gold-backed currency now.
01:54:28.900 And especially if they make it a crypto R&B backed by gold,
01:54:33.240 we've got a cryptocurrency backed by all this gold in our vault.
01:54:36.960 That is a serious threat to the dollar.
01:54:38.820 And a play to the global community
01:54:40.360 because they could become the global currency.
01:54:42.040 Yeah, exactly, and it would have real value.
01:54:44.560 Well, we're going to a dinner right now,
01:54:47.620 and we're going to pay for...
01:54:49.180 You're going to pay with fiat.
01:54:50.680 We're going to pay with ether.
01:54:51.960 We're going to pay with the...
01:54:52.860 No, they're not going to take your ether.
01:54:54.540 You're going to pay with...
01:54:55.240 I know the restaurant you're reading.
01:54:56.880 You're going to pay with dollars.
01:54:58.460 Nope, we're going to Applebee's.
01:55:00.040 Well, they're not going to take ether either.
01:55:02.820 My kids like Applebee's, though.
01:55:04.660 I'm actually a Chili's fan.
01:55:05.900 It's my favorite restaurant.
01:55:06.480 They can't do that.
01:55:08.800 No, I can't hear it.
01:55:09.620 No, we can hear it.
01:55:10.760 I know they can't hear it.
01:55:12.480 Who?
01:55:13.020 Oh, them.
01:55:13.820 Oh, because they don't have the headphones on.
01:55:14.540 Are you taking the dog?
01:55:15.520 Yeah, he was listening to his breathing.
01:55:17.320 This was a great conversation.
01:55:20.040 It's fantastic.
01:55:20.860 It really was.
01:55:21.600 Well, hopefully, you know, at a minimum, right?
01:55:24.200 What all the people, if anybody is listening to this,
01:55:26.580 and they're in crypto, right?
01:55:28.100 And even if they think that I'm wrong.
01:55:30.300 Like, no!
01:55:31.520 If anyone is listening to that! 1.00
01:55:33.600 I hate you, Dad! 0.99
01:55:34.900 Tackles the... 0.99
01:55:35.940 if you do nothing at least do this take something off the table don't just go down with the ship
01:55:44.000 don't have all of your net worth like my 8 19 year old son got everything in crypto he got an
01:55:49.780 entire net worth of 200 yeah he knows he's gonna inherit money from me so he's able to gamble he's
01:55:54.400 like fuck it this is house money and of course look the time to lose all your money is when 0.96
01:56:00.660 you're young because a you don't have a lot of money and b you have a lot of time to earn it back 0.99
01:56:06.080 and sometimes losing money is a very valuable lesson so the experience is worth it right so
01:56:11.960 but there are a lot of people that are older that are got a lot of money in crypto so look you know
01:56:17.360 you gotta you gotta pair it back you know if you got big gains you know it's like you're in a casino
01:56:23.160 right take your winnings put it back in your pocket play with the house's money don't turn a
01:56:28.980 big gain into a loss, right? And so be conservative. If you want to keep some money in crypto, okay,
01:56:37.300 understand, you know, maybe it'll keep going up, but maybe it'll crash. Because if I'm right and
01:56:42.080 it goes to zero, you'll lose everything. If I'm wrong and you sell some, well, you're still going
01:56:48.480 to be rich with the stuff you got left. Don't be greedy, right? On Wall Street, they say bulls make
01:56:53.560 money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered. Don't be a pig, don't hodl everything like those 0.99
01:56:58.480 guys are telling you it's okay to sell it's okay if it goes up after yourself right don't be so 0.99
01:57:03.900 greedy that you have to get every last drop out of the market i'm not going to sell until the
01:57:08.320 tippy top because you're going to end up going down with the ship awesome but you know you should
01:57:12.600 do by the way uh when the time comes god forbid when you pass away you should hide your money and
01:57:16.820 have your son mind it when i pass away he's not passing away sticking around man yeah i'm gonna
01:57:23.160 stick around longer than bitcoin oh peter peter peter listen here thank you thank you for coming
01:57:29.260 on and paul thanks thanks for having me on of course very uh it's not my typical audience
01:57:33.800 probably you have opened me up to a whole new demographic good but you know i do have a lot
01:57:37.880 of young people that follow me and if people are interested right it's one of my one of my friends
01:57:42.460 tweeted at you today i'll let you plug in a second but yeah one of my friends tweeted at you today
01:57:46.440 uh because we told him you're coming on yeah he said at peter schiff you still think bitcoin is
01:57:52.200 fool's gold even after being adopted by literal countries and some of the biggest tech companies
01:57:56.320 in the world? More companies are ignoring it than adopting it. The problem is when any company gets
01:58:03.160 involved, they blow it out of proportion, right? Because they want to focus on it. But there's so
01:58:07.500 many companies that have nothing to do with it. It's only a small number that are actually that
01:58:12.820 are playing around with it. But as I was saying, on my podcast, I talk a lot about big economics,
01:58:19.620 the markets, finance. I try to debunk a lot of the myths that are permeated throughout the
01:58:27.100 mainstream. There's a lot of really bad information that is out in the mainstream media
01:58:31.660 about economics, about important subjects. And I think I have a good way of explaining it,
01:58:38.520 that a lot of lay people that don't have a lot of experience can get these concepts and understand.
01:58:44.300 And I use a lot of analogies when I speak.
01:58:48.380 So you don't have to be an investor.
01:58:49.700 I mean, I initially started a lot of this as a way to talk to my clients.
01:58:53.920 But now I have a very broad following of people who aren't my clients.
01:58:59.360 A lot of them don't necessarily have the money to invest with me.
01:59:02.160 But I'm glad that I'm able to help entertain them and help educate them to understand the
01:59:08.260 problems and to understand government's role in creating them.
01:59:11.680 Because what the government likes to do is they create problems, and then they blame the problems they create on capitalism or freedom.
01:59:18.620 And then they say, you see, we need more government to solve these problems when government is why we have the problems in the first place.
01:59:24.660 And what we need is less government.
01:59:26.420 And right now, socialism is very popular among young people because the government has given capitalism a bad name because we preach it, but we don't practice it.
01:59:37.460 And so I want people to understand what freedom means, liberty, capitalism, the principles
01:59:43.120 upon which the nation was founded, so Americans actually understand their heritage and understand
01:59:49.020 what this country used to be and what it can be, again, if we can succeed in limiting government
01:59:55.160 the way the founders limited government.
01:59:57.260 Because when you limit government, you maximize freedom.
02:00:00.060 When you maximize freedom, you maximize prosperity.
02:00:03.160 Because Americans, we didn't always pay income taxes.
02:00:05.560 At one point in time, there were no income taxes.
02:00:08.300 There were no Social Security taxes.
02:00:10.000 You didn't have all these regulations.
02:00:11.580 We had freedom.
02:00:12.600 And all of my parents, my grandparents, came to America around 1900.
02:00:18.420 They started.
02:00:19.120 My grandfather helped build the Yale Bowl.
02:00:22.720 That's how we ended up in New Haven.
02:00:23.800 Oh, sure, classic.
02:00:25.000 But so they all came here.
02:00:26.620 They all came from Europe, where they had a lot of government. 0.82
02:00:29.480 And they came to America, where we basically had none.
02:00:32.200 But my grandparents came here.
02:00:34.040 None of them spoke English.
02:00:35.160 None of them had any money, but there were no welfare programs, no food stamps, no minimum
02:00:40.620 wage laws, no nothing.
02:00:42.660 They just came for freedom, and they worked, and they built lives for themselves, and they
02:00:48.240 came by the millions to America for nothing more than to be free and to be left alone
02:00:53.960 from government.
02:00:54.900 What we have now, this big welfare state, came much later, and that's why America is
02:01:00.000 no longer the great country that it once was.
02:01:02.500 And so young people need to understand that so that we can push in that direction, because
02:01:07.420 we're going to have this big crisis.
02:01:09.060 We're going to have this currency crisis, lots of inflation.
02:01:12.020 The government's going to come in with price controls.
02:01:14.420 There's going to be lots of shortages, which is why I tell people to stock up on the stuff
02:01:18.380 you're going to need now while it's available and before it gets more expensive.
02:01:22.140 But the government is going to blame it all on a failure of capitalism.
02:01:25.320 And we need a lot of young people to know that that's not the reason, that all the problems
02:01:30.220 that we're going to go through were created by government and the only way to solve them is to
02:01:35.160 get rid of government and to restore freedom again and then we'll be able to rebuild the country
02:01:40.400 not anarchy just no no look hey look like we mentioned my son he's like an anarcho-capitalist
02:01:47.460 he's gone like he wants no government at all right honest with you but and also i want limited i don't
02:01:52.420 want no government i just want i want government to be small enough that you can drown it in the
02:01:56.640 bathtub right but i don't want there to be zero government all right well with the drowning and
02:02:00.600 all uh my co-host or the host of the show is making out this dog right now it's been fun uh 0.89
02:02:05.840 listen to the fucking peter schiff podcast yeah so it's peter schiff podcast you can listen to 0.94
02:02:10.980 it on schiff radio um or on my youtube channel i i put them up there you know i'm not doing i 0.97
02:02:16.780 haven't been doing the videos for a while i'm gonna start doing them again at some point i did
02:02:20.360 it a little bit um when i get my studio built over in my my backyard i'll be able to go back
02:02:26.320 to the video but right now i just put the podcast on youtube join the club join the club brother
02:02:31.600 guess what i won't win you were streaming well never mind thank you guys for listening watching
02:02:35.880 and viewing this episode of impulsive make sure to hit that subscribe button peter shift thank
02:02:39.440 you for coming on it's been great it's been great selling all my bitcoin for gold bye y'all
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