Impaulsive with Logan Paul - Jake Paul on Getting KO'd by Anthony Joshua, $92,000,000 Payday, Quitting Boxing After Broken Jaw

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00:00:29.400 I'm still in awe of the fact that you do what you do.

00:00:32.080 I mean, it's not that hard to get your a** beat.

00:00:35.320 Anthony Joshua hits you with probably his hardest shot

00:00:37.980 that we've seen drop every other single fighter.

00:00:40.700 Not only did you not get knocked out,

00:00:42.360 you dropped and said, wow.

00:00:43.920 I was on the ground.

00:00:44.720 I was like, that was a good shot.

00:00:46.700 Talk to me about what your jaw feels like.

00:00:48.260 It's like a baseball in there.

00:00:49.880 Four titanium blades.

00:00:50.820 How many do you have?

00:00:51.540 Just one.

00:00:52.460 After the fight, you open your mouth.

00:00:53.920 I was the first to see it.

00:00:55.500 I went, oh.

00:00:56.160 What was it like for you seeing Jake fight AJ?

00:00:58.440 I want to get in that ring and punch Eddie Hearn, for instance.

00:01:01.300 Why?

00:01:01.660 Because I don't like his smug face.

00:01:03.340 I said the exact same.

00:01:04.540 Somehow they gave me the VIP suite as well.

00:01:06.580 That's why I was right on the ring.

00:01:08.520 Hey, so what are you going to do?

00:01:09.660 You lost every single round.

00:01:12.040 You just pissed him off and then he broke Jake's jaw.

00:01:13.880 I told everyone, though, that I would do better than Francis

00:01:16.340 and that Francis kind of got no chin.

00:01:18.620 Francis is Loki soft.

00:01:20.440 All the haters, last night their storyline was

00:01:22.740 that you were moving around a lot.

00:01:24.460 Unless I die, people will still hate me.

00:01:26.620 Are you going to keep boxing?

00:01:38.420 We don't even need you for 10, bro.

00:01:40.400 Whatever you're comfortable with.

00:01:42.760 Let them talk.

00:01:46.020 How do I look?

00:01:47.280 You look good.

00:01:48.980 Hard to believe you had surgery a few hours ago, honestly.

00:01:51.900 Hey, Jake.

00:01:53.540 Hey, Mike.

00:01:54.160 Jake, can I ask you a question really quick?

00:01:55.560 Wait, are we on the podcast?

00:01:56.960 Yeah.

00:01:58.000 Jake, can I ask you a question as you sip that?

00:02:02.020 Water.

00:02:03.020 Water.

00:02:04.080 I feel like you're going to ask me the question regardless of.

00:02:09.600 Jake, how are you able to sit down when your nuts are the size of basketballs?

00:02:17.320 Like, how are you actually able to sit there with testicles that fucking large, bro?

00:02:24.180 I was standing in this arena last night watching you,

00:02:26.820 and I'm still, after all the fights you've had,

00:02:30.600 in awe of the fact that you do what you do.

00:02:32.700 It's mind-blowing to me.

00:02:35.080 Thank you, man.

00:02:35.780 Yeah.

00:02:36.500 I mean, it's not that hard to get your ass beat.

00:02:41.240 I don't think it was that bad until that last couple.

00:02:45.160 I won two rounds

00:02:47.420 for sure and then he won two

00:02:48.960 and then I got dropped

00:02:50.220 but yeah I was doing

00:02:53.080 good I just think I

00:02:54.260 my cardio just the

00:02:57.060 mental pressure

00:02:58.200 of the big guy and

00:03:00.900 sparring the big people

00:03:02.200 is different than the 10 ounce gloves

00:03:04.980 so I was feeling his power a lot

00:03:06.980 more

00:03:07.260 but it was great experience like I learned a lot

00:03:11.020 in there

00:03:11.320 I can't really fucking talk

00:03:14.200 Are you in pain?

00:03:16.040 Um, yeah, but

00:03:17.320 It's not from, like, talking

00:03:20.160 Talk to me about what your jaw feels like

00:03:22.880 Cause you got

00:03:23.300 It's like a baseball in there

00:03:24.860 Two plates?

00:03:27.460 It just feels like

00:03:29.120 Four titanium plates

00:03:30.820 How many do you have?

00:03:32.360 Just one

00:03:32.840 Eight screws

00:03:34.120 Wait, but wait

00:03:36.100 I got

00:03:36.800 Plate in my head

00:03:39.280 Titanium rod in my hand

00:03:40.960 I think that's it

00:03:42.420 You got me beat

00:03:43.040 I hope to God we're not starting an injury contest

00:03:45.080 because, you know, the only thing I'll ever win

00:03:46.860 will be metal and body.

00:03:48.480 I have plates and screws throughout my end.

00:03:49.960 I have a rod the size of his leg in my finger.

00:03:52.360 From the car crash?

00:03:53.560 From crashes, ski accidents.

00:03:55.620 He snapped his ankle.

00:03:56.660 That's true.

00:03:57.360 Mike wins.

00:03:58.060 Can I ask you?

00:03:58.720 Finally, if we're going to maybe try to do this,

00:04:01.560 I do want to know one thing

00:04:02.740 because I think one thing that is undeniable

00:04:05.700 is your chin.

00:04:08.780 I mean, anyone who questioned whether or not you had a chin,

00:04:10.920 I think the answer to that question

00:04:12.740 was proven last night. Bro, you can

00:04:14.940 take a shot. Anthony Joshua

00:04:17.080 hits you with probably his hardest shot

00:04:19.040 that we've seen drop every

00:04:20.840 other single fighter that he's fought.

00:04:22.940 And he hit you in the face, and

00:04:24.920 not only did you not get knocked out, you

00:04:26.940 dropped and said, wow.

00:04:28.580 I was like, wow, that was nice.

00:04:31.180 I was on the ground, I was like, that was

00:04:32.900 a good shot. Dude.

00:04:34.780 Did he surprise you with his power?

00:04:37.560 No, to be honest, no.

00:04:39.020 But, I mean, he surprised my jaw.

00:04:43.340 There's that one photo your jaw looks like kind of off your face.

00:04:46.560 It's literally snapped, bro.

00:04:47.000 It's literally snapped.

00:04:48.380 Dude, when.

00:04:48.900 Completely snapped.

00:04:49.880 After the fight, you were like, I think, like, one of my teeth is, and you opened your mouth.

00:04:53.580 I was the first to see it.

00:04:54.960 I went, oh, oh, you broke half your jaw, dude.

00:04:59.880 On both sides, too.

00:05:01.300 But, yeah, I mean, I told everyone, though, that I would do better than Francis and that Francis kind of got no chin.

00:05:08.080 Francis Loki soft

00:05:10.420 You made it further than Francis

00:05:12.280 Yeah

00:05:13.400 I mean

00:05:14.940 He won six rounds

00:05:17.080 You know what that means

00:05:18.400 He could be Francis

00:05:20.860 I'll find Francis

00:05:22.300 Wow that's a good idea

00:05:25.700 He could be Francis

00:05:26.440 I think maybe now he'll take it

00:05:29.180 And be like oh shit

00:05:30.520 Well he has something to prove

00:05:31.660 The resounding Twitter sentiment

00:05:34.880 That just doesn't matter at all

00:05:37.140 but all the haters, last night their storyline was

00:05:39.460 that you were moving around

00:05:41.480 a lot, which I just

00:05:43.560 don't, I know, I just don't

00:05:45.580 get it, like what do you, like

00:05:46.920 what do they expect you to do, so

00:05:48.780 Joshua is gonna walk you down

00:05:51.240 every time he's, bro, unless I die

00:05:53.460 people will still hate me

00:05:55.000 it is, it is, it is so true

00:05:56.600 there's two pools

00:05:58.920 of

00:05:59.620 people in this fight

00:06:02.280 one pool is, holy shit, mad respect

00:06:05.320 to Jake Paul, what a fighter, absolutely

00:06:07.120 warrior the other is fucking ran around the whole fight shot takedowns blah blah blah like bro

00:06:12.840 god god bless that latter group because you guys are so fucking stupid and like i hope that i hope

00:06:19.160 that life pans out for you because if you're unable to see this fight for what it is you you

00:06:25.360 have a level of dark hatred black energy that is just a lot of them are just really stupid and

00:06:32.680 And that's fine, but let me ask you a question.

00:06:35.780 That strategy is one that I've seen Floyd use constantly.

00:06:38.880 Move around the ring, find your proper counter punches,

00:06:41.820 and throw shots when it makes sense for you.

00:06:44.860 The only thing that I'll say away from the internet for a second

00:06:48.280 is it seemed like that was what the problem was for your conditioning.

00:06:52.100 You were moving a lot.

00:06:53.480 It was just mental.

00:06:54.760 Really?

00:06:55.020 It was just like him imposing his will on me

00:06:59.880 and being massive in the big shots landing.

00:07:04.660 And then, yeah, it pretty much all goes downhill from there.

00:07:08.400 But I wish I had more than three weeks, I think, to prepare,

00:07:13.980 to maybe have put on some more muscle to be able to sit there and hit them.

00:07:18.440 And then I should have gone to altitude to train.

00:07:21.100 That was my biggest mistake.

00:07:22.440 Do you feel good about your camp?

00:07:25.440 I felt good about it, yeah.

00:07:26.860 But, I mean, I just needed to have that extra level of cardio for this,

00:07:33.220 and that only can come from going to altitude.

00:07:36.720 To Colorado.

00:07:37.240 And can I add that you were very sick for 10 days?

00:07:41.240 No, he can't do the sneeze three times thing right now.

00:07:43.180 He didn't sneeze three times,

00:07:44.820 but that takes away from your cardio when you're recovering from illness.

00:07:50.140 I think the camp wasn't 100%.

00:07:52.480 Is that accurate?

00:07:52.920 That's kind of what I was going to ask.

00:07:54.620 Like, do you feel like it was your best camp?

00:07:56.860 no I mean just because like I was weighing like 200 pounds when we confirmed the fight

00:08:03.660 and then I had to gain more weight um but I mean yeah man it's a great experience overall to be in

00:08:12.480 there with someone who's that good um I learned a lot and I see where I could have done better

00:08:19.080 so I'm I'm pretty I'm a little disappointed but I also know how good he is um but I had him wobble

00:08:25.640 at one point you landed some i had him wobbled and i was like he kept his hands up better this

00:08:32.460 fight you landed that right hand yeah and and and you wobbled i was right there i don't know if you

00:08:37.380 heard me yeah i did i was like you wobbled him go go go i don't know who sat me there that was

00:08:42.240 fucking crazy i mean i do know i don't know why they let me sit there i was talking mad shit and

00:08:47.940 just i was just saying to mike it just pissed him off and then he broke jake's jaw yeah when you

00:08:51.440 were sticking your tongue out i'm i was getting i was like don't don't make him mad dude like

00:08:55.380 i was just trying to have fun no yeah yeah that's what it's all about at the end of the day and i

00:09:01.000 did have fun like i love this sport and i love this job it doesn't even feel like a job it's

00:09:08.420 just fucking awesome i just had a blast in there win lose or draw this sport has done so much for

00:09:14.420 me and i just am happy and grateful and just all the life memories that are created through these

00:09:21.320 fight weeks and

00:09:22.180 everything that we've done is just super

00:09:25.460 awesome and I'm going to be able to look back on my life

00:09:27.460 and just be really happy one day

00:09:28.940 you're honestly

00:09:31.420 amazing dude

00:09:32.320 I hate to glaze because I know they're going to call me

00:09:35.280 a glazer but honestly like it's not

00:09:37.260 very often that I'm sitting these days

00:09:39.180 watching someone and just saying to myself like wow

00:09:41.160 I'm fucking proud of this person dude like we've

00:09:43.220 watched you grow and

00:09:44.580 evolve on this show and in

00:09:47.180 life in general and when I just watch you go in

00:09:49.200 against a monster like that and stand in the

00:09:51.100 pocket and take the shots and keep getting back up keep getting back up and promote the sport that

00:09:55.640 like honestly six years ago like people weren't talking about boxing seven years ago people

00:10:00.560 weren't talking about boxing bro maybe a couple standout events and and so i know the sport's

00:10:05.920 doing a lot for you but i think you're doing a lot for the sport dude and and i'm so proud of

00:10:09.620 you man yeah i'm i'm very happy with mvp and all the fights on the undercard it was just an amazing

00:10:16.640 show our partnership with netflix so there's so much good that came from this for sure before you

00:10:23.100 leave can i tell you one other thing that i realized and i want you to know it okay you have

00:10:29.820 a opponent culture problem with their walkout songs i've realized the pattern and i'll explain

00:10:35.940 it to you last night a lot of people were focused on you walking out to six nine it was awesome

00:10:40.420 don't get me wrong but before that happened a british man from the uk right uk guy walked out

00:10:46.500 to a really classic era hip hop song by freeway freeway walked him out what we do for culture

00:10:53.580 people was a big moment for him to walk out to that american song i thought to myself wow this

00:10:57.340 is bad this is a good walkout song if you if you understand it and i thought to myself the only

00:11:02.380 other loss you ever took was to a uk guy who walked out to an awesome american song tommy fury

00:11:09.920 walked out to ccr fortunate son in saudi arabia it's something to think about you should start

00:11:16.000 monitoring. Or you should start

00:11:17.920 monitoring the songs that the UK

00:11:19.760 people walk out to, I think.

00:11:22.080 It's becoming a problem.

00:11:23.740 So you let long in the contract.

00:11:26.340 Just throw that piece of advice

00:11:27.760 into here.

00:11:29.700 You can just throw it right in there if you want.

00:11:31.720 Is that the garbage? Yeah.

00:11:35.660 Wait, but they were both British guys.

00:11:37.540 That is crazy. I can't believe that was the last

00:11:39.740 thing you wanted to ask him before he gets out of here.

00:11:42.100 Or maybe

00:11:42.780 you just used a British song.

00:11:46.000 next time

00:11:47.040 okay

00:11:48.940 are you gonna keep boxing

00:11:51.060 yeah

00:11:52.540 you really love this shit huh

00:11:54.820 yeah I'm gonna take some time off

00:11:57.880 to go support Utah at the Olympics

00:12:00.280 so sick

00:12:01.080 then she's gonna move to Puerto Rico

00:12:02.840 move her here

00:12:04.540 maybe go snowboarding

00:12:07.760 or something

00:12:08.320 maybe get Esme some cousins

00:12:09.720 yeah that part

00:12:12.020 honestly I'm ready bro

00:12:13.840 I have such baby fever

00:12:15.880 yeah like I want

00:12:17.920 I want kids so bad

00:12:19.320 yeah you're gonna be a great dad

00:12:20.840 yeah but dude no you

00:12:23.560 yeah get out of here if that jaw hurts

00:12:25.400 thanks for even giving us this

00:12:26.580 so proud of you

00:12:29.400 love you brother

00:12:30.140 and pre-order or buy

00:12:33.680 my mom's book amazon.com

00:12:35.660 oh yeah we should available now

00:12:37.100 we should talk about that we should talk about your book

00:12:39.600 okay while we're here

00:12:41.780 or or let's

00:12:43.700 talk about your book okay

00:12:45.420 what would you like to know

00:12:48.280 move over to the A mic please

00:12:50.480 Pam Stepnick

00:12:52.340 welcome to Call Her Daddy

00:12:53.480 what was it

00:12:56.020 like for you seeing Jake

00:12:58.120 fight AJ yesterday

00:12:59.380 what it's

00:13:02.240 always like nerve wracking

00:13:04.440 it's very

00:13:06.300 nerve wracking

00:13:08.300 as like a mom

00:13:10.040 like my aggression comes out too

00:13:11.820 I want to get in that ring and punch

00:13:13.680 Eddie Hearn for instance

00:13:16.540 Yeah

00:13:18.120 Why Eddie Hearn

00:13:19.260 Because I don't like his smug face

00:13:20.620 You don't like his smug face

00:13:22.120 No

00:13:22.400 I called Jeff Levin this morning

00:13:24.740 He literally thinks he's better than everybody in the world

00:13:27.020 I said Eddie Hearn shit eating Corinne

00:13:28.120 I said the exact same

00:13:29.560 Jake's over there like you know struggling

00:13:32.340 And he's sitting over there smiling like

00:13:34.360 The cat who swallowed the canary

00:13:35.740 Guess what

00:13:36.300 Did he fucking get in the ring

00:13:39.140 No but he's a legendary promoter

00:13:41.900 But he does have a shit-eating grin.

00:13:44.140 Wait, wait, wait.

00:13:44.620 Do you think he was happy with what happened to Jake?

00:13:48.740 Oh, of course.

00:13:49.480 Yeah, for sure.

00:13:50.040 Oh, my God.

00:13:50.560 And that's a sick thing to me.

00:13:51.580 It's sick.

00:13:52.200 I don't like it.

00:13:52.960 Even Anthony Joshua had some class and, you know, apologized to me essentially for...

00:13:59.680 Did he really?

00:14:00.340 Yeah.

00:14:00.800 He worked his way through the crowd and came up to me and said, Mom, no, it's just boxing.

00:14:06.520 It's the fight game.

00:14:07.700 It's just the fight game.

00:14:08.920 By the way, by the way, that's what I said to him after the fight as well.

00:14:11.440 I said, bro, you know I love you, but, like, it's the fight game.

00:14:14.520 I'm obviously going to talk as much fucking shit as I can.

00:14:18.200 And I'm not.

00:14:19.560 And he's a classy guy.

00:14:21.140 You know, that wasn't super easy for me, but it totally was.

00:14:24.860 Yeah.

00:14:26.560 Like, I don't know.

00:14:27.480 I thought maybe I could get in his head, and it definitely didn't work.

00:14:29.940 But he apologized to you and dad afterwards.

00:14:32.860 Love you, J.D.

00:14:33.320 AJ's full of class.

00:14:35.980 Eddie Hearn does have that grin on his face.

00:14:38.960 But it is the fight game.

00:14:40.820 And like, perhaps if you, to use one of Mac's quotes, perhaps if you bite off more than

00:14:48.220 you can chew, you break your jaw.

00:14:50.240 That's fine.

00:14:51.180 It's just that grin.

00:14:52.220 Is that what it was?

00:14:53.140 Mac said that.

00:14:54.500 Mac always has the best.

00:14:55.940 Mac has good.

00:14:56.840 That's really good.

00:14:58.580 Bit off more than you can chew.

00:14:59.680 Perhaps if you bite off more than you can chew, you break your jaw.

00:15:02.360 Yeah.

00:15:02.460 I mean.

00:15:03.160 That's classic.

00:15:04.000 And it's true.

00:15:04.620 And I'm not, that's not the problem.

00:15:06.600 Jake chose to get in the ring with a humongous guy.

00:15:09.780 That's on Jake.

00:15:11.400 How did you feel about it beforehand?

00:15:15.140 That Jake chose to get in the ring with a large man that scared me.

00:15:18.020 What was your conviction on the fight?

00:15:22.200 I believe that Jake really thought he could knock him out.

00:15:25.900 So it made me feel very confident.

00:15:28.160 And I knew God was in his corner and he still was because this could have turned out even worse than it did.

00:15:32.920 So God really was on our shoulders.

00:15:36.300 and to get through the process of getting into the ER,

00:15:41.040 having surgery, out of the ER,

00:15:43.540 and discharged to home within 12 hours.

00:15:47.540 Thank you to the angels.

00:15:49.400 Can I just say, I love how you've not moved the position of your book

00:15:52.280 this entire time.

00:15:53.020 Pam, you're incredible.

00:15:53.920 Do you see how she has just been holding it here

00:15:56.400 as she's answering questions just flushed to camera.

00:16:00.060 Dude, where do you think you got your promotional capabilities?

00:16:02.700 No, they taught me.

00:16:04.720 I mean, look,

00:16:05.200 I didn't teach them at all

00:16:07.120 you can just lean it up here

00:16:10.940 put the book up here

00:16:12.460 no no no

00:16:14.340 I actually like what you're doing

00:16:16.260 because when Caleb and Pat clip this

00:16:18.840 it'll be in every shot

00:16:20.660 it'll just be in every shot just casually

00:16:22.480 I just want to say something first

00:16:24.920 I spoke to you before the fight

00:16:28.940 spoke to my team obviously before the fight

00:16:31.080 I gave

00:16:33.340 Jake's odds

00:16:35.100 of winning about a five to 10% chance. That's before the poly market came out. And they too

00:16:42.360 seemed to place it between five to 15%. I think his odds of winning were between five and 10%.

00:16:48.200 But the conviction that he has in himself for the, his close friends and family really makes

00:16:55.280 everyone believe that although those are like the odds, and it seems like that is the consensus of

00:17:00.660 people he overcomes the odds and so while the odds are low i still believe he could do it but

00:17:07.640 it put that puts you guys in a weird position sometimes too because we come across delusional

00:17:12.300 no no no not even that but as especially for you as as someone who like probably still feels very

00:17:18.080 responsible for his safety when he comes to you guys and says like listen no one has ever

00:17:24.300 jumped out of a plane without a parachute and landed on their feet safely i'm going to be the

00:17:30.060 first person to jump from 20 000 feet and just land and he's so convincing in it and polymarket

00:17:35.640 gives him a point zero zero zero zero zero one percent chance of living but he's like yo i'm

00:17:40.700 telling you i can do it you went so what i'm asking is like where do you guys draw the line

00:17:45.640 because because i put money on jake okay i did how much didn't i'm not a nina nina put ten thousand

00:17:53.160 dollars on jake wow i know i personally could not imagine a world where even at five percent

00:17:58.300 where he was able to beat Anthony Johnson.

00:18:00.960 The dude is...

00:18:02.880 You know who put the most money on Jake that I know?

00:18:05.920 Some guy from

00:18:06.920 somewhere. Yeah. Drake.

00:18:09.220 Nope. It wasn't Drake. It was somebody who spent

00:18:11.100 more than Drake. 700 grand, right?

00:18:13.060 Is that what it was? Mr. Beast.

00:18:14.940 No, how much? Mr. Beast put 100K

00:18:16.940 on Jake to win 2 million.

00:18:19.380 No, but Drake put more than that.

00:18:20.960 Drake bet on Jake.

00:18:22.420 200,000. Drake bet 200K

00:18:24.460 on Jake? 200 to win 1.4 million

00:18:26.140 and lost it.

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00:20:22.100 Hey, what's up?

00:20:22.620 I'm Tony Gonzalez.

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00:20:34.580 and all the nitty gritty stuff we all think about.

00:20:37.020 But just don't say out loud.

00:20:38.160 I hate that job.

00:20:39.000 You're probably just going to meet with some rich guy

00:20:40.540 and he's going to whisk you away and I'll never see you again.

00:20:44.200 Would you say a D-less actor?

00:20:47.700 D?

00:20:47.920 i don't even know there's this thing as d no no no i mean like i didn't get on the c list like

00:20:53.720 i'm not even average i'm not even passing i'm failing listen to no safe words with october

00:20:57.920 and tony gonzalez part of my culture podcast network available on the iheart radio app

00:21:03.380 apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast show hey it's been great if somebody close that

00:21:09.980 door uh but but i mean dude like so my question for you i guess lp is like do you think that do

00:21:16.620 Do you think that Jake was outweighed, outclassed, or both?

00:21:20.760 Both.

00:21:21.280 Yeah.

00:21:22.180 Anthony's just...

00:21:23.020 I mean, bro, let's call a spade a spade.

00:21:26.540 I love the delusional confidence.

00:21:29.380 It's why we are where we are.

00:21:31.120 It's why Jake has achieved most of the crazy, impossible feats he's achieved in his life

00:21:35.320 that you outlined in your book called Fuck the Balls.

00:21:37.780 No, it's F the Pauls.

00:21:39.120 Oh, F the Pauls.

00:21:40.260 Sorry.

00:21:40.900 No, it's F the Pauls.

00:21:42.800 Now, that said...

00:21:43.640 Written by their mother.

00:21:44.680 Available on Amazon.

00:21:45.500 We're going to get into it, Pam.

00:21:46.800 We're going to get into it.

00:21:47.900 Good shot.

00:21:48.860 I taught you well.

00:21:50.100 You taught me well.

00:21:51.500 I do think it was a net positive for Jake,

00:21:56.600 but it's really fucking dangerous.

00:22:04.040 It's dangerous, but he survived.

00:22:06.160 He survived.

00:22:06.740 He's a survivor.

00:22:07.660 He's good.

00:22:08.040 It's a net positive.

00:22:08.920 It's an ultimate win, and guess what?

00:22:10.180 Jake Paul is right again,

00:22:11.200 and this decision will prove to be positive for him.

00:22:13.440 Yeah.

00:22:13.680 But that said, he's got a broken jaw

00:22:16.380 It's fighting

00:22:17.720 And his haters are reveling

00:22:20.440 At the moment

00:22:20.980 You built your empires on haters

00:22:24.100 It's true, and there's two sides to every coin

00:22:26.540 And like, the

00:22:27.580 The end of the fight wasn't, in my opinion

00:22:30.460 Nearly as bad

00:22:32.280 As it could have been

00:22:33.640 Poster, it could have been a poster

00:22:35.100 Kinda was, but

00:22:37.160 I mean, he made the meme his

00:22:38.820 When he got hit to the ground, he wasn't KO'd

00:22:41.520 He went, whoa

00:22:43.160 yeah it's funny like what i've i've been watching the the combo back too and it was like he got hit

00:22:49.600 once and then dude he was just so set up for that right he was so weak i mean i mean i mean dude

00:22:56.700 when you're tired yeah all fighting goes out the window yeah for those of you watching who

00:23:02.800 have a boxer for the boxers who know like when you're tired and someone's trying to kill you

00:23:07.560 honest honest to god there's no worse feeling in the world it's horrible you can't rationalize like

00:23:14.380 what you should be doing should have kept your hands up bro you can't you don't have energy to

00:23:17.360 keep your hands up you have nothing left to give and this guy's trying to murder you i couldn't

00:23:21.620 believe jake got up three times before that part of me was like bro brother just stay down you're

00:23:26.000 cooked brother you're fucking exhausted joshua's team was sitting right next to me yelling at me

00:23:30.720 to tell me to tell them to stop the fight yeah because they said he's going to get hurt and

00:23:36.000 that's when i started like getting panicked and then he got knocked down i felt like if jake's

00:23:41.760 cardio was better he would have had like a real shot i know that's like at least made it to the

00:23:45.940 scorecards yeah and for everyone wondering about jake jake's strategy most most of the people don't

00:23:50.900 know boxing but i will outline one thing that even like i asked about so like moving around the

00:23:55.440 outside to your point like everyone's saying oh he ran the whole time no that's boxing that's what

00:23:59.880 floyd mayweather built his career off of um especially when you're facing a bigger guy who

00:24:03.400 controls the center of the ring the only way to to to properly win is stay on your horse

00:24:08.020 pivot switch directions make a miss like that's the name of the game that's elusiveness that's

00:24:12.480 evasion that's good the one thing i did see jake doing in sparring that everyone else saw last night

00:24:18.560 when anthony joshua would lean on jake he would go to his knee now most people thought oh jake's

00:24:28.680 trying to take him down right i saw a thing like oh he tried to take the no i yelled stop it's not

00:24:32.880 a wrestling match well it's he what well he's not trying to take anthony but i didn't know that

00:24:37.080 either what he was doing was and i saw this in sparring and i asked him i was like why do you

00:24:40.280 keep going to your knee when the when the big guy is above you and leans on you he said they're so

00:24:44.380 heavy me trying to hold them up waste so much energy if i'm under them and they start leaning

00:24:51.640 on me i'm just gonna drop to my knee because why would i waste energy trying to keep them up for

00:24:56.000 for what purpose other than to get exhausted right and i wish i had known that it's a strategy

00:25:00.080 that optically looks very bad,

00:25:02.900 but it's conservation of energy

00:25:05.180 that, again, if you don't know

00:25:06.740 boxing or don't know what

00:25:08.660 Jake's thinking. Well, even if you do know boxing,

00:25:10.920 it's something that you...

00:25:12.560 You've never seen it. You don't see it.

00:25:14.940 It doesn't happen. How many times

00:25:16.640 in boxing history have you seen

00:25:18.680 a fight where there's someone

00:25:20.340 50 pounds heavier and 6 inches taller?

00:25:22.640 Like, I can't even believe this fight was

00:25:24.540 fucking sanctioned. Can I say this really quick?

00:25:26.640 If someone opens that door again...

00:25:28.680 What the fuck is happening here?

00:25:29.340 No more fucking exits or exits.

00:25:31.000 What is happening here?

00:25:31.400 Don't fucking leave the fucking room.

00:25:32.600 It's like Kevin, no?

00:25:34.060 Every time.

00:25:34.700 Why?

00:25:34.920 Why?

00:25:35.160 It just keeps going in and out of the room and not closing the door.

00:25:37.600 There's about to be another too tall versus too short fight right now, dude.

00:25:41.100 Let me tell you something.

00:25:42.380 Damn, Kevin with the short stray again.

00:25:45.340 He's just getting fucking fried with the short strays.

00:25:49.360 We're at an event.

00:25:50.640 It's atmosphere.

00:25:51.240 We are at an event.

00:25:51.840 Even the door keeps opening and closing.

00:25:53.840 What's he doing?

00:25:54.540 Going to get doghouse burgers?

00:25:56.120 Let me tell you something.

00:25:56.840 Let me tell you something.

00:25:57.220 Speaking of which, it sounds good.

00:25:57.960 When I fought Floyd, part of my strategy, I go, when this little motherfucker is beneath me, I'm putting all of my weight on him.

00:26:08.300 And by the end of the fight, I heard Floyd Mayweather, who never gets tired, doing this.

00:26:15.040 He was breathing heavy because, like, that's hard to pick up a person 40, 50 pounds heavier than you.

00:26:20.380 So Jake didn't even bother, and he just dropped to a knee.

00:26:23.120 And then one time it kind of backfired

00:26:24.560 And Anthony landed on top of him

00:26:25.900 And Anthony's knee like

00:26:27.160 Was it his nuts on his stomach?

00:26:31.460 Him screaming

00:26:32.660 You know who really enjoyed the fight?

00:26:36.600 Trump

00:26:37.040 I saw

00:26:38.380 He shouted Jake out

00:26:40.100 He shouted Jake out

00:26:41.760 He's a big sports guy

00:26:42.800 Kai Trump was there as well

00:26:44.040 Had her on the podcast, came to the fight

00:26:46.300 She's incredible, that's a podcast coming soon

00:26:48.740 There was a lot of notable attendees last night

00:26:51.140 A lot of, Matt Reif was there, being a comedian

00:26:54.000 Yeah

00:26:54.500 A lot of impulsive guests from the past

00:26:57.720 But none more important than Pam Stepnick

00:26:59.960 And her new book, F the Pauls

00:27:01.240 Which is available on Amazon right now

00:27:02.900 Yeah, why did you title the book F the Pauls?

00:27:05.580 Well, it was appropriate

00:27:07.220 Because

00:27:08.100 I was going to name it Don't Read the Comments

00:27:11.180 And my son, the marketing genius

00:27:13.680 A.K.A.

00:27:15.480 You

00:27:15.900 Told me to name it F the Pauls

00:27:18.860 And I had to agree

00:27:20.620 because you know what you're talking about.

00:27:22.600 Let's attack him now.

00:27:24.020 What the fuck are you doing?

00:27:25.380 I'm sorry, bro.

00:27:25.960 I'm leaving.

00:27:26.700 Merry Christmas.

00:27:27.420 Oh.

00:27:28.700 Oh.

00:27:30.340 Love you, bro.

00:27:31.080 Merry Christmas.

00:27:31.360 And he has the book in his hands.

00:27:33.840 I think he did that on purpose.

00:27:36.180 He knew.

00:27:37.000 Someone texted him and said they're coming after you.

00:27:40.980 Hey, Kevin, when you leave,

00:27:42.300 just make sure to leave that door open.

00:27:46.520 No, no, you're fine.

00:27:47.180 Yo, Feliz Cumpleaños, amigo.

00:27:48.780 Yo, yo, wait, do you see the clip?

00:27:52.360 Watch how Logan treats his employees.

00:27:55.360 Yeah, yeah, right.

00:27:56.340 Just close the door, please.

00:27:57.520 Close the door, please.

00:27:58.340 It's a podcast.

00:27:58.800 Close the fucking door, please, for the love of God.

00:28:00.600 Bye, Kev.

00:28:01.280 Love you.

00:28:02.600 Because I'll be honest with you, Mom.

00:28:04.120 I'm going to shoot straight.

00:28:09.120 Who the fuck wants to read a book written by the parent of a social media star?

00:28:13.340 That's Oship F.

00:28:14.980 I'm hoping a lot of people.

00:28:16.400 Well, look.

00:28:17.880 it happens to be a great book the product is fantastic but that said you still have to

00:28:25.540 capture attention somehow in a meaningful way to make them think beyond that sentence that i just

00:28:31.440 said because that that is what i feel like people are going to start why would i read this book

00:28:35.380 written by the mom of a just two social media stars so if you can slowly jump that hurdle of

00:28:42.200 the boundary that people

00:28:44.800 are automatically going to have

00:28:46.560 for your book, and I think that was a good way

00:28:48.940 to do it, I think you've already won

00:28:50.900 a little bit, because it's captivating

00:28:52.780 and it's interesting, I think. And the cover is

00:28:54.780 very cool. It's very vertical.

00:28:57.320 Right? It's vertical drama. Well said.

00:28:59.620 Yeah. Well, look.

00:29:00.760 We've been monetizing hate

00:29:02.600 and haters for years.

00:29:04.760 Why don't we take the moniker

00:29:06.760 that they've been saying for the

00:29:08.720 entirety of our careers and make it

00:29:10.720 I love that, the moniker.

00:29:13.860 I'm going to use that.

00:29:14.960 Thank you.

00:29:15.060 Oh, it's a word.

00:29:15.860 Yeah.

00:29:16.840 I designed the cover with Riley, my literary agent, the two of us.

00:29:22.740 And what's your marketing strategy look like?

00:29:24.880 Well, you've asked me this question so many times.

00:29:27.980 And one of the things is I was on GMA with Logan.

00:29:32.200 What's GMA?

00:29:33.020 GMA is Good Morning America.

00:29:34.920 How was that for you, Pammy?

00:29:36.040 That was really cool, partly because it's just cool to be in Good Morning America and talk to Will Reeve.

00:29:42.840 But sitting there with Logan was a moment I will treasure forever.

00:29:48.900 And you were so sweet and proud of me and said so many wonderful things that I will never forget.

00:29:55.280 I don't care. I won't forget them.

00:29:57.040 You heard me, though, right?

00:29:58.020 I heard you.

00:29:58.280 Because they didn't use the good parts in the actual...

00:30:00.000 Yes, they used one.

00:30:01.860 I thought it was...

00:30:02.900 Average?

00:30:03.440 Yeah.

00:30:03.620 Pam what's in that what's in that book and why would I want to read it like what that's book

00:30:08.500 there right okay so as we all know and I know I sound like an ad right now but what do kids want

00:30:15.360 to do nowadays social media social media gamer fame I want to be famous I want money I want

00:30:20.600 this and everyone's on social media even if they don't want that narrative they want them to be

00:30:26.600 online and consume content and so it's a dangerous place it's a very dangerous place and so is um

00:30:35.080 fame and a lot of money when you're young and parents there's no handbook out there to help

00:30:42.400 parents we didn't have a handbook we were like running through a fire with no protective gear

00:30:48.720 no fire extinguisher trailblazers trailblazers and we got all the burns from it and we had to

00:30:54.180 recover and luckily they did but that's probably going to be rare in that game so I as their mom

00:31:04.060 from the mother's perspective wanted to share and help other parents and kids and influencers and

00:31:11.720 actually anyone online give them some tips and a toolkit to basically help follow and maybe prevent

00:31:19.260 some of the hardships that we went through as a family to maybe prevent that and I think it opens

00:31:26.980 the conversation to start talking about how how to handle social media there's there's nothing out

00:31:34.240 there like that there what I say is and it not from a person who's been through it there's people

00:31:39.660 out there with PhDs and degrees that are studying all the effects of social media and that's great

00:31:46.000 you can say that but who's lived through it with two of the most polarizing controversial people

00:31:52.760 hey sorry but it's true everyone loves me yeah right so it's so this book is made for people

00:31:58.740 that don't have six even first people that don't have successful famous rich sons of course it's

00:32:04.920 made for everybody else and you know and and to realize like a little bit people ask me all the

00:32:12.380 time and I'm at least once a week maybe twice how did you do it what did you do differently what can

00:32:18.780 I do not to raise a social media kid but like as a parent I get asked all the time because they're

00:32:24.860 so successful like I did something completely special which I was just blessed by God to be

00:32:31.400 the mother of these two kids but there must have been something and some general thing and I tried

00:32:38.820 to dig deep and feel and pull it out of myself what I actually did do also in here is there any

00:32:46.040 dirt in that book like some real drama some grimy stuff that like maybe you would want to read and

00:32:51.640 be like wow I didn't know you know Logan used to do that when he was weird and younger I don't know

00:32:58.660 I know it's just about they're like a little bit of childhood and divorce and how we got

00:33:04.580 where we are like because again people sometimes don't even know that greg and i are divorced

00:33:10.200 they don't know i'm remarried and so and then when you cross off our last name on the top yeah

00:33:15.900 that was also your idea pam paul crossed off stephenik but you know it talks about that and

00:33:21.700 like why i chose to put on my um oxygen mask and learn my lessons and and get out of a situation

00:33:30.300 that was not helpful to me which in turn i didn't feel was being helpful to my kids and i had to

00:33:36.120 exit that situation and um learn and grow real quick where can people actually buy this book

00:33:44.220 so two places amazon.com f the pauls we'll put that link in the description thank you and there's

00:33:51.000 also my website my landing page it's f the pauls.com okay we'll just drive to one place we'll

00:33:55.500 put the link in the description but my landing page is pretty cool we want it you want to we

00:33:58.920 want to siphon attention to one place you don't want to make people go cross-eyed okay so amazon.com

00:34:03.340 then yep so jake and i should both post on our story today because um the views are like at a

00:34:10.240 multiple of what they normally are because of jake's fight so we should do actually right after

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00:36:13.300 Hey, what's up? I'm Tony Gonzalez.

00:36:14.780 And I'm October Gonzalez.

00:36:16.180 But you can call me Toby.

00:36:17.220 We want you to join us on our new podcast,

00:36:19.580 no safe words with october and tony gonzalez we get real about marriage parenthood sex divorce

00:36:25.600 and all the nitty-gritty stuff we all think about but just don't say out loud i hate that job you're

00:36:30.360 probably just gonna meet with some rich guy and he's gonna whisk you away and i'll never see you

00:36:33.800 again and would you say a d-list actor d i don't even know there's this thing is d no no no i mean

00:36:43.520 like i can't even get on the c list like i'm not even average i'm not even passing i'm failing

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00:36:58.440 I wanted to say, though, I actually think this book is really important for parents.

00:37:03.280 Parents who want to raise happy, successful children.

00:37:08.240 And part of the reason I loved it is because, obviously, I'm a new dad.

00:37:11.400 And you have these toolbox sections where you give a parent's little toolbox tips on advice that you have on how to raise successful, happy children.

00:37:25.340 And it was cool because when I was reading this book, I think Esme had just been born.

00:37:30.560 And so I was reading some of it as a new father because I have my intuitive beliefs of what I think a good parent looks like.

00:37:37.560 But I took a lot of the stuff you wrote in your toolbox and I'm going to use it for how I raise Esme because, you know, I don't think we turned out horrible.

00:37:47.640 I mean, that's like definitely subjective.

00:37:50.800 You didn't turn out horrible.

00:37:52.780 No, we're all right.

00:37:53.480 We're all right.

00:37:54.540 But I also want to add to the world that it's based in my faith.

00:37:58.540 Like I survived by believing in you guys

00:38:02.080 because you guys believed in yourself

00:38:03.620 and I prayed and prayed and prayed

00:38:06.840 and it's based in Christianity and my faith

00:38:09.800 and I think that that's,

00:38:12.420 people forget that prayer is very, very powerful.

00:38:16.980 I want you to pull on that thread a little bit.

00:38:19.140 Talk about your faith in this book

00:38:20.880 and talk about your overall belief in God.

00:38:23.640 Like give the glory to God, mom,

00:38:25.440 about everything in this book.

00:38:28.760 So I'll just use what happened last night to Jake.

00:38:32.740 You know, God's on your shoulders, Jake, telling him going into the ring.

00:38:35.720 Everyone's like, God's with you, God's with you.

00:38:37.340 And I said that, but I wasn't sure what God's plan was.

00:38:41.320 I just knew he'd bring him to safety in some manner or a victory.

00:38:45.240 I don't know, but it was his will.

00:38:47.640 And I truly believe that like whatever is happening is God's will.

00:38:52.980 Look what happened.

00:38:54.260 Jake got injured, but he's sitting here on a podcast today.

00:38:58.060 and he's getting tons of accolades, and he got a W in so many ways.

00:39:02.260 That was God's plan.

00:39:03.840 Jake's was to knock Anthony Joshua out, but God had a different plan,

00:39:07.640 and it's still positive, right?

00:39:09.880 And I just believe that, and I had to.

00:39:12.140 I don't think I could have survived hearing Jake's riding his motorcycle

00:39:17.540 to 160 degrees, doing a wheelie down the highway at age 18,

00:39:23.400 or that you were jumping out of airplanes and your parachute didn't open.

00:39:27.640 But like, how many parents can actually digest that and survive it?

00:39:34.360 Most parents cannot, and they tell me they wouldn't.

00:39:37.300 They would be like crazy.

00:39:39.020 And I turn it back to the faith and prayer, like get your prayer out that really resonates with you

00:39:46.460 and say it over and over and over and just, you know, keep learning and trusting in that.

00:39:53.460 And that's not easy for people to do.

00:39:56.240 You can say it.

00:39:57.780 You really have to feel it.

00:39:59.040 And I've seen it.

00:40:00.300 I've seen it work for both of you through me, meaning my prayer and my prayer gets answered.

00:40:07.520 Did you say a prayer before we were born?

00:40:10.920 Yes, all the time.

00:40:12.640 And what it was, it wasn't like from the Bible or anything biblical because I was not as into my faith at that point.

00:40:21.440 Christianity, I wanted to be, but your dad would not allow that to be.

00:40:26.240 He was a part of our life.

00:40:28.000 What was he, Satan?

00:40:29.940 He just didn't believe.

00:40:32.720 Oh, he was an atheist?

00:40:34.080 You know, I'm not going to label what he would say he was,

00:40:36.560 but he just didn't believe.

00:40:38.820 And so he wouldn't let me baptize the kids.

00:40:41.120 And, you know, if you want to take them to church,

00:40:43.240 I'll take them fishing instead.

00:40:44.620 And who do you think they're going to go with?

00:40:46.140 You know, that kind of thing.

00:40:47.360 So I had to bury my, I had to bury my faith.

00:40:53.280 So I had to do it more quietly, right?

00:40:56.240 So what I said was, God, if you give me children, I will raise them to be responsible, respectful, and to change the world.

00:41:05.400 Well, we did one of those for sure.

00:41:07.120 Well, it was three things.

00:41:08.240 Yeah.

00:41:08.760 Responsible, respectful, change the world.

00:41:10.640 The last one probably changed the world.

00:41:12.400 Change the world.

00:41:13.180 Yeah.

00:41:13.520 And I said it over and over and over.

00:41:18.820 Maybe you should have said it more.

00:41:20.980 Or maybe I should have added something.

00:41:23.120 Yeah.

00:41:23.580 Well, I didn't.

00:41:24.260 Or ask for less things.

00:41:26.240 I was young.

00:41:27.340 I did what I could.

00:41:28.420 Yeah, you did well.

00:41:29.460 You did very well.

00:41:29.800 Pam, you've done an incredible job.

00:41:31.520 You're a very sweet woman and a kind person.

00:41:34.780 And whatever tiny, insignificant shreds of decency that these boys have, fleeting, specks of decency is from you.

00:41:44.980 I tried it.

00:41:45.580 I did the best I could.

00:41:46.560 I tried my personal best.

00:41:48.040 You know what I'm saying?

00:41:49.140 You're amazing.

00:41:49.780 You're an amazing mom.

00:41:50.920 And I will 100% read the book.

00:41:53.060 I'm not a big reader.

00:41:54.460 I like to write more.

00:41:55.180 What do you mean you will read the book?

00:41:56.680 You wrote a fucking verbiage.

00:41:58.200 No, no, no, no, no.

00:41:59.120 What I mean is re-read the book.

00:42:01.240 Yeah.

00:42:01.360 Because the first time I read it, have you ever speed read it?

00:42:03.580 Yes.

00:42:03.700 Have you ever seen that guy that speed reads it?

00:42:05.180 You will.

00:42:06.400 You ever see that guy?

00:42:07.260 Let me speed read this fucking book.

00:42:08.200 You go to the bullet points?

00:42:09.700 Let me speed read this fucking book.

00:42:10.780 Flip this shit.

00:42:11.700 I'm going to read my mom's book very fast.

00:42:13.800 Most people don't know I have this.

00:42:14.840 I can read it very fast.

00:42:19.580 That's what Jake did when I showed him the book.

00:42:21.660 great fucking great passage well you did write me a amazing uh letter in there i i chat gpt did

00:42:31.120 yeah well it doesn't sound like it i'm just kidding no your ears did not sound chat pam do

00:42:36.200 you think that social media is the most dangerous thing on the planet what the fuck no i think

00:42:40.580 yeah i think i think people that are have mental health issues which is also part of the book let's

00:42:48.140 unpack that yes let's read into that more nuclear bombs most dangerous thing on the planet right

00:42:53.620 for sure what about the prevalence of use they never get used so they're dangerous in essence

00:42:59.820 in theory they're dangerous so is a black hole so is a black hole right social media used every day

00:43:05.620 talk about mental illness what do you think the biggest contributor is right now mental illness

00:43:09.500 in teenagers has gone up 6x since 2013 what happened in 2013 pam the advent of the smartphone

00:43:17.500 Oh, I was going to say Jake was going to cry.

00:43:19.680 No, it wasn't because of Jake and Logan.

00:43:21.240 They did drive a lot of mental illness in this country, though.

00:43:24.420 What I'm saying to you is this.

00:43:26.800 What I'm saying to you is this.

00:43:28.040 This little box steals your soul.

00:43:30.860 As Bo Burnham said, I watched it.

00:43:33.340 He said it.

00:43:34.020 I sent it to you.

00:43:36.080 These companies are coming after every second of your life.

00:43:41.440 Fine.

00:43:41.860 They said no.

00:43:42.620 he said as humans

00:43:45.060 we used to want land

00:43:47.100 we wanted to take land

00:43:49.420 now all the land is taken

00:43:51.140 so what is left to take to make money

00:43:53.020 human attention

00:43:54.740 that is the land now

00:43:57.280 and Google and Twitter

00:43:59.080 and Instagram and YouTube and all the corporations

00:44:01.920 and Mike Malak

00:44:03.400 no no no we're just pawns of the system

00:44:06.040 we're pawns of the system

00:44:07.780 I don't feel like a pawn

00:44:08.640 I feel like I'm at least a rook

00:44:11.420 Yeah, you guys might even be bishops

00:44:15.160 I feel like a rook is actually kind of better

00:44:17.880 I think a rook is better

00:44:18.940 And Elon's like

00:44:21.640 Elon might be the board

00:44:23.580 Elon might be

00:44:25.580 Yeah, I think he is the board

00:44:26.580 Doing everything

00:44:27.380 Elon's worth more than everyone else combined

00:44:30.020 Yeah, he's the board

00:44:30.900 He's the game of chess, actually

00:44:32.960 But guess what?

00:44:34.500 He's still got an answer to God

00:44:36.040 Yes, he does

00:44:36.820 But listen, what I'm saying is this

00:44:39.040 I hope part of this is just

00:44:41.460 fucking disconnecting. I've been thinking about it

00:44:43.800 so much lately, Ben. In there, I wrote

00:44:46.100 you know, to

00:44:47.480 monitor, you know, all the standard things.

00:44:49.740 Monitor time, know what your kids are doing,

00:44:52.080 check in with their mental health, who are they

00:44:53.700 hanging around, what are they watching

00:44:55.220 but, and then I said, or just

00:44:57.780 stay off social media altogether and

00:44:59.700 that was what Jake's advice was.

00:45:01.760 Don't let him on social media. I'm seeing a lot of

00:45:03.720 dumb phones lately. I ran

00:45:05.740 into a group of Hasidic Jews the other day

00:45:07.840 outside at the airport they said hey happy hanukkah i said i'm not jewish they said i know but it's

00:45:12.720 the fourth night here's a hundred thousand cash prize no menorah and i was like well i'm i you

00:45:20.300 know what i said to him i said i can't accept your menorah and they were like but but it's the fourth

00:45:25.280 night here's a menorah in a box a box menorah i said what's a menorah it's what you light on around

00:45:30.340 hanukkah the candles yeah you know the the um that's what it's called yeah menorah yeah i said

00:45:37.100 I can't accept your menorah because I'm

00:45:39.100 a Christian and they said

00:45:40.560 I know but take it anyways I said buddy

00:45:43.080 I just landed I don't want

00:45:45.160 your menorah and then they were like no take it anyways

00:45:47.220 I go yo how would you like it if I handed you

00:45:49.220 a fucking Christmas tree right now

00:45:50.780 would you like that I'm like how many times

00:45:52.900 are you going to try to give me this happy Hanukkah bro

00:45:55.100 I just don't want the

00:45:57.140 menorah I love I have so many

00:45:59.220 Jewish strengths forget what it is

00:46:00.520 it's a good day now you have to carry

00:46:03.480 how do we digress

00:46:04.220 They had all had dumb phones and they seemed so happy and they were talking and they they

00:46:11.560 couldn't go on social media because they had just a little flip phone.

00:46:15.360 And I think dumb phones are about to make a comeback.

00:46:17.500 They're dirt.

00:46:18.000 I think they are.

00:46:18.540 I might start a new company called the Razor Scooter.

00:46:22.320 Remember, you loved your Razor.

00:46:24.180 Your Razor.

00:46:24.640 My first ever phone ever.

00:46:26.560 Yeah.

00:46:27.060 Because these things just suck, dude.

00:46:29.280 They'll suck you in.

00:46:31.740 What do you mean?

00:46:32.720 I think you can build a multi-million dollar career, business, life.

00:46:36.280 If you have good mental health.

00:46:37.980 Discipline.

00:46:39.040 Discipline.

00:46:39.620 If you do not, it's not going to work.

00:46:43.640 Yes, you do.

00:46:44.300 Yes, you do.

00:46:44.880 Let me tell you.

00:46:45.540 I pick up my phone.

00:46:46.260 Me and Nina checked our pickups.

00:46:47.760 I pick up my phone 120 plus times a day.

00:46:49.200 No, but you have disciplined.

00:46:50.780 I came up with these three tiers of human conditioning.

00:46:55.080 You have people that have no discipline and are unaware of it.

00:47:00.020 Okay?

00:47:00.300 So they're completely non-disciplined and they're unaware of the fact that better life exists, okay?

00:47:05.820 That's like 90% of the plan I would say.

00:47:09.020 Level two, as you move up towards success, is you are non-disciplined, but you're aware of it.

00:47:16.180 Trust me, I know.

00:47:17.540 Okay, I suck.

00:47:18.360 I can do so much at certain things.

00:47:19.860 I don't want to manifest negatively, but I can do better in a lot of places.

00:47:22.380 the top tier top g level you are aware of the your need for discipline or no sorry you're aware

00:47:31.420 of your situation and your discipline you've you've made the change and that's i think the top

00:47:37.140 tier of of it you know you're aware of everything that's going on how important it is to be

00:47:42.060 disciplined but you've made you've done the work to actually get there the awareness is a great

00:47:45.920 first step for people it's a great well it's part of what i like such a big ask parents to do is be

00:47:53.920 aware of what your kid is consuming i think people just think it's okay or i just put them on roblox

00:48:00.820 because whatever or you know they want to they want to be social and they don't want to feel

00:48:06.000 left out from their groups right yeah but i don't think parents like a lot of parents and what i'm

00:48:10.680 seeing is a lot of parents aren't really

00:48:12.760 monitoring it. And that's

00:48:14.740 a mistake. Well, I think, too,

00:48:16.420 a lot of parents have

00:48:18.520 irresponsibly and lazily

00:48:23.040 relied on screens

00:48:24.740 to save their day.

00:48:26.720 Well, I was trying not to say that.

00:48:27.940 This kid cries.

00:48:30.220 If I put

00:48:31.320 Cocomelon

00:48:33.300 in front of them,

00:48:35.340 they go mute.

00:48:37.180 iPad kids.

00:48:38.500 You see it when you go to Outback Restaurant.

00:48:41.520 You want to go get a Bloomin' Onion?

00:48:43.080 Look at that two-year-old right there that is just glazed over,

00:48:46.800 staring at the screen, being conditioned at two years old

00:48:49.280 to start relying on this thing all day.

00:48:51.040 Yeah, parenting is so hard, dude.

00:48:54.180 But we didn't, parenting was hard in our day, too.

00:48:56.700 I know, I know, I know, but as technology

00:49:00.500 and the progression of humanity grows more and more,

00:49:04.720 life is becoming more and more convenient for people.

00:49:07.160 It seems like like what is what is the easiest way to go about living that makes me more comfortable because there's more convenience and for adults, whereas parenting, parenting is still extremely hard.

00:49:18.020 It's probably a little easier now because you can't just had hand your kid an iPad and, you know, he'll be he or she will be glued for like two hours because they'll just be getting constant dopamine spikes from Cocomelon every three seconds versus handing them crayons at a table and hoping it lasts.

00:49:32.180 No, but hold on, but you're saying that that's an option, but you know that it's horrible.

00:49:38.140 It's definitely...

00:49:38.880 You and I have always disagreed on this thing.

00:49:41.300 No, no, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:49:42.620 This is a net negative thing.

00:49:43.700 Let me tell you how I'm going to raise my daughter.

00:49:46.200 You're playing with fucking crayons at the table.

00:49:47.680 You're using your imagination, you're using your hands, you're developing skills in other capacities

00:49:51.860 versus just inundating your mind with essentially what is nonsense.

00:49:55.740 Rock.

00:49:56.120 What is nonsense just to keep you occupied.

00:49:58.240 That's how I'm going to raise my daughter.

00:49:59.400 that said i see the side of parents like just like yo this is all this is like i need i need

00:50:05.400 this because i want this time for myself what also just becomes you you become a heroin dealer

00:50:10.940 you're getting you do your own kid no think about it that's crazy you're like yo i can i can sedate

00:50:16.220 this child right now and then now you get addicted to it and they get addicted to it and they say

00:50:20.960 my mom ipad ipad they're from how is the kid you know you know what's you know what's sad

00:50:25.180 regarding the double addiction

00:50:27.380 if you gave your kid an iPad

00:50:29.720 only to then go on your device.

00:50:32.140 Well, I think that happens.

00:50:33.140 And then now there's a kid and a parent on their device.

00:50:36.320 That's shitty.

00:50:37.020 I think that is what's happening.

00:50:38.660 I think that probably happens.

00:50:39.080 Think about it.

00:50:39.940 It's just the world, we're becoming more and more siloed.

00:50:43.340 I'm telling you, I'm telling you out of all the things

00:50:45.840 as someone who has been addicted to everything, okay,

00:50:48.420 and still is addicted to food heavily,

00:50:51.140 please give me some GLPs, Pam.

00:50:54.460 Okay.

00:50:55.180 Sorry.

00:50:56.320 This is the most addicted thing in the world.

00:50:58.180 And here's why.

00:50:59.200 Because you're not sticking it in your arm in a bathroom or in a basement.

00:51:03.160 You're not doing it behind closed doors.

00:51:06.620 Everyone's doing it.

00:51:07.780 It's so accessible.

00:51:09.480 It's so easy.

00:51:10.380 And everybody.

00:51:11.100 He's been on this phone for 20 minutes of this podcast.

00:51:13.580 We're shooting a podcast.

00:51:14.960 Right.

00:51:15.340 You know what I'm saying?

00:51:16.060 We're kind of being hypocritical.

00:51:16.940 No.

00:51:17.480 Well, no.

00:51:17.960 He's not because he doesn't feel as strongly about it as I do.

00:51:21.780 I think this is the destruction of marriage.

00:51:27.120 I think it's the destruction of a kid's relationship with their parents.

00:51:30.800 I think it's the destruction of education.

00:51:32.560 I think it's the destruction of boredom and what creativity boredom leads to.

00:51:36.300 Boredom was the greatest creative driver ever.

00:51:39.120 I am bored.

00:51:40.100 Hey, there's a problem.

00:51:41.140 I'm now going to solve this problem.

00:51:42.300 You're never bored.

00:51:42.960 They also say that boredom is the devil's playground, which it can be.

00:51:47.000 So what?

00:51:47.420 You jerk off.

00:51:48.120 You jerk off.

00:51:49.660 I'm bored.

00:51:50.160 I'm going to jerk off.

00:51:50.620 now i'm gonna by the way i don't know i don't know if that fully applies for that third bucket

00:51:55.740 of people you described if you can be someone who's self-aware of how disciplined you are and

00:52:00.540 then obviously have the discipline but if you're in that if you're in that bucket

00:52:03.640 i know i know but i know but perhaps even just listening to this podcast there should be

00:52:10.500 aspirations to reach that level of consciousness because i just think it'll pay dividends for

00:52:17.260 one's life and i think a good route to that is to just just to start that disconnect how do you how

00:52:23.640 do you how do you do it dude that's like you just that's kind of almost what's impossible how

00:52:28.580 kids are learning in school on ipads it's becoming a part of their built out i think how you do it is

00:52:35.760 unfortunately you download as much information as possible possible about the world given the

00:52:44.020 resources that you have. And a place where

00:52:46.120 a lot of resources and information

00:52:47.620 are

00:52:49.240 is your phone.

00:52:52.080 By learning more about

00:52:54.100 the world around you, I think you'll

00:52:56.000 then be more equipped to handle the world around

00:52:58.080 you. So if you can learn from your device

00:53:00.080 and not get glued to your device, I think there's a lot

00:53:02.200 of merit there. But even the learning that comes from the device

00:53:03.860 is not real. It's not

00:53:05.960 the same. Not entirely.

00:53:07.420 What you can learn about Bangladesh

00:53:10.080 from your phone will

00:53:11.900 never be going to Bangladesh.

00:53:14.020 Yeah, but if you're a high schooler, like, you're not going to fucking Bangladesh.

00:53:19.600 Some people do.

00:53:20.500 They go to many people.

00:53:22.120 No, you're going to pull out your LGBT.

00:53:23.620 It'd be great if you could.

00:53:24.840 So let me ask you this question.

00:53:26.420 The sideline static that exists around your exploration of Bangladesh on your phone, do you think that that's...

00:53:32.660 Go to your 2025 recap on YouTube right now.

00:53:34.840 Pull up YouTube, go to your 2025 recap.

00:53:36.680 How do you do that?

00:53:37.380 Here are my top interests.

00:53:39.960 Oh, I don't like this.

00:53:41.080 Ready?

00:53:41.380 I don't like this.

00:53:42.520 1. Wrestling matches

00:53:44.160 2. Space discoveries

00:53:47.180 3. Survival challenges

00:53:49.980 4. AI advancements

00:53:52.780 5. Cozy ambience

00:53:54.700 So bro, I'm a social media addict

00:53:57.340 but I'm using for space discoveries

00:53:59.160 wrestling matches, learning about my craft and my career

00:54:01.140 survival challenges, I love outdoor

00:54:03.320 AI advancements, what can I learn about AI?

00:54:05.360 Curvy ambience, calm my mind

00:54:07.020 It's a known thing that you are not

00:54:08.900 that everyone else

00:54:09.880 I don't want to say this.

00:54:10.360 Fucking people are like me.

00:54:11.640 People are like me.

00:54:13.060 All right.

00:54:13.960 Thanks for watching this podcast.

00:54:15.880 I'm out of here.

00:54:16.560 Buy Pam's book.

00:54:17.660 Buy F the Paul's written by their mother, Amazon.com.

00:54:21.040 Pre-sale.

00:54:21.960 Let's go.

00:54:28.660 Hey, what's up?

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00:54:30.400 And I'm October Gonzalez.

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