00:10:25.940um heartbroken to find out the house burned down in the malibu fire correct yeah dude yeah it was
00:10:33.120uh it was a punch for sure and i was out of the country filming a tv project and um was that the
00:10:40.240one with i can't say that yeah whoops should i cut that yeah it's for someone important but
00:10:48.020well you could redact it it was with a dude um but uh yeah so i found out that the fire had started
00:10:57.040but then literally on the amazon river no cell reception in the jungle i'm just sitting there
00:11:03.580praying uh okay my house is cool it's been around for a long time it's probably still there and then
00:11:09.700when i got back um i got the news and had 150 text messages and then saw the pictures that my
00:11:17.540neighbors took oh my god and it was everything was wiped out gnarly where do you even begin
00:11:23.380to rebuild both mentally and literally your house yeah yeah well it's it's uh you know you have to
00:11:30.740take it straight on and not avoid the grief um so i was away for a few more days and it's kind of
00:11:39.700you know honestly it's a shell shock yeah you don't there's no context for it you know other
00:11:45.540than having a father that passed away this was you know next in line to just a devastation and
00:11:53.380then in the back of my mind as I'm on the plane I'm like oh uh I don't have a pillow I don't have
00:11:59.600a house I don't have a place to go to after three and a half months on the road too um and then all
00:12:06.080of that's kind of setting in and then the back of my mind I'm like something had to survive to like
00:12:10.500something yeah maybe a motorcycle maybe a barn maybe a the guest house maybe a car0.58
00:12:16.740nothing no no no no really like it was annihilated oh my god damn oh my god not even the electric
00:12:25.540dirt bike it melted there was no sign of it it was a it was a river of aluminum there was not even a0.56
00:12:32.420wheel a spoke uh nothing it was like chernobyl so great show by the way yeah have you been watching
00:12:40.340it i i've friends of mine been telling me it's apparently a great it's incredible
00:12:44.540way better than blackberry so were you on the on the way back uh if you don't mind me asking
00:12:52.040were things going through your head like what did i actually lose in there of of like you know
00:12:57.860irreplaceable value yeah i mean obviously but you know when i saw the house the picture from
00:13:03.240a friend of mine uh it was clear that there was nothing yeah there so literally nothing literally
00:13:10.120no like every father heirloom and mother ring oh my god all of all and every hard drive because at
00:13:17.440the end of the day you know my last ditch effort hey if the fire comes on that day before i knew
00:13:23.740i knew it started i say to told my neighbors run and grab these hard drives and they couldn't do
00:13:29.860it uh because they left them through a wall of fire um and they just made it out so literally
00:13:36.960nothing was it it is uh it's been the most intense year of my life without a doubt so
00:13:46.760so like how do you replace all that i'm sure like some of the most valuable stuff is the
00:13:53.700knowledge you've gained from your entire career do you have to go back and kind of recreate some
00:13:58.840of that or well it's challenging you in a good way yeah i mean i mean honestly as weird as it
00:14:05.160sounds I was already through the grief I was already getting these flickers of inspiration
00:14:11.980almost held it to myself because I didn't want to tell people because it was I was starting to
00:14:18.180see the silver lining and I was like well I've always wanted to do this that and the other thing
00:14:23.740I always wanted to really do the permaculture I really wanted to do the the the power generation
00:14:30.880completely through all the tech people i know through all the weird scientists to to really
00:14:37.460start to create uh an aspect of living that is really supporting our freedoms freedom of food
00:14:46.640freedom of water freedom of of generating power and freedom of shelter so it really just threw
00:14:53.420me into that in a big way and i've it changed my life and i and i as weird as it sounds i wouldn't
00:14:58.900change a thing i really wouldn't uh it's it's it's set a tone and a fire in me that it's not
00:15:06.820getting put put out you're an optimist man and quite literally now you can become the phoenix
00:15:10.840that rises from the ashes for sure it's just so weird because like i like i said i was in the house
00:15:15.880and and and when i heard about it i remembered it was in sort of like the it was at the bottom of
00:15:22.220a hill in an extremely wooded a dry wood area yeah um and i think a lot of people underestimate
00:15:29.120just exactly how powerful those wildfires were like what was the stat that the speed at which
00:15:35.740they were moving was like three football fields a minute a minute yeah 80 miles an hour yeah like
00:15:40.440you can't you can't outrun it even if you're in a car it's i had some engineers saying there's
00:15:46.340certain metal that they saw iron that they saw starting to melt they said they're the only way
00:15:52.440that that is possible what's the melting point as is it's near nearing 2000 degrees so you know
00:15:59.200there's nothing that was gonna where have you been after where'd you what'd you get would you
00:16:03.180like would you move after that yeah where are you friends man i've been friends couchers guest house
00:16:08.200guest house in malibu i mean i certainly wasn't slumming it but but i've been out of a suitcase
00:16:13.340case for seven months some of those balibu guest houses are actually bigger than this house
00:16:17.3809 000 square feet i've been in some of those things they're like the maids quarters are in
00:16:21.620the back they're like we'll take you in the golf cart and you just drive like down a little driveway
00:16:25.580but the thing with that the thing that's blaringly obvious with something like this
00:16:31.200is you know it's it's cliche to say but literally experiencing the value of connection and
00:16:39.360friendship and community that is by far the currency that is the most valuable here we had
00:16:47.280a breathwork session about a week and a half ago and i mean you can imagine mike in a breathwork
00:16:52.840session right like no one thought he'd be able to do it but he did he did and he came out with
00:16:56.500the revelation that uh what human connection is the most important the only thing that matters
00:17:02.480the only thing that matters in the whole world human connection so and starting with yourself
00:17:08.060first yeah for sure i gotta i got a heater for you this um dropping a heater yeah i'm gonna ask
00:17:15.080was that house tied up in the divorce that you have going on no it wasn't okay so you have a
00:17:23.360pretty high profile divorce that just happened with eliza coop right from happy endings is it
00:17:27.780right i don't know a high profile but it's it high profile enough to make people people
00:17:32.840pretty high profile well so yeah i mean yeah we were at the end of uh 2018 we decided to
00:17:41.400to break it off and uh and yeah so it made it set it had a hell of a setup you know so that was
00:17:50.220you know exercising that decision with the the show the tv the netflix show that i'll stay
00:17:58.080ambiguous on at this point um coupled with the crescendo of losing everything house yeah yeah
00:18:05.880and the cool thing is that eliza was one of the first people when i was in the amazon or when i
00:18:11.580was in the a city within the the jungle with reception she was the first person that called
00:18:18.080after eight months oh that is cool speaking and and just to our work alone after the the pain of
00:18:24.760a divorce um we're great friends now that's very cool it's wild how that happens how someone that
00:18:30.260you go through a really like sometimes painful breakup with and you start to like doubt or even
00:18:37.240question their loyalty to you as a friend post that breakup and then when something bad happens
00:18:43.320they are calling and it i've had that happen in relationships i can i can relate to it too um
00:18:48.560with with tokyo chloe was the first person to call me and we had been broken up for not as long it
00:18:54.020was like a week or so but it was a brutal breakup um but okay the the the good news is that if this
00:19:01.740were to happen to anyone i mean you are the guy who focuses on replenishing health wellness um
00:19:08.960revitalizing all through food you're the super food hunter so if we want to switch gears a little
00:19:14.000bit can you talk about what it is you do you're what is a super food hunter i have a i have a
00:19:18.780picture here of you looking like a a guy just looking at food look at this guy that's chocolate
00:19:24.540that's a cacao this is chocolate really chocolate inside there yeah oh my god that's what we drank
00:19:29.220before our breathing session yeah yeah they gave us cacao yeah real cacao it opens a heart opener
00:19:34.960and brain enhancer so uh if you don't you know strip it and then add a bunch of sugar to it um
00:19:42.080well i mean i think you know listen my roots are middle america i'm i'm a blue collar kid
00:19:48.000from minnesota i had a father that was an ag professor at the university of minnesota
00:19:52.760my cousins are ranchers to this day so at the end of the day when i started looking into foods and
00:19:59.100and really starting to be fascinated fascinated by them um that started from college obviously
00:20:05.980with the degrees and stuff and being hurt playing college football you were good right i remember
00:20:10.840linebacker right uh fullback fullback you're a big guy real quick how much how much do you weigh
00:20:16.760how tall are you i'm six foot maybe i can tell around 205 therein's yo look at this guy okay
00:20:23.360this guy just ready to catch a ball at a moment's notice or a cacao plant yeah a dropping cacao
00:20:29.980plant that looks like a football cool so yeah from middle america so anyway yeah the the so when i
00:20:35.660started looking into these superfoods that clearly got my attention there was a fascination between
00:20:40.840the physiology and the biology of them or the and how they interact and I was like oh wow well
00:20:47.960that it's not just food is thy medicine I'm seeing it I'm seeing it happen but then when I started
00:20:54.320looking at supplements and testing them I was like wow this the quality is horrible and why
00:21:00.060are people formulating in this way from food to supplements and so when I actually took that on
00:21:06.480to be like there's some stuff i know now um that i'm gonna find out about and so not just sitting
00:21:13.920behind google searches and research i started jumping on the planes to meet the farmers to
00:21:19.920understand quality control to understand how these people take something that's been used for tens of
00:21:26.820thousands of years just sorry about that he always forgets
00:21:30.600let's take a moment of silence for i think you might be removed from the show now i think i
00:21:43.360don't think we can ever have him back sorry about my colleague yeah i understand he's got other
00:21:47.520things that are important yeah there's somebody calling from the amazon a new plant that's a
00:21:52.380super cool we'll we'll talk about that later um so anyway it was really the innocence of
00:21:58.700if i really want to understand it i have to look in the eyes of the people going back to
00:22:02.620relationships i have to understand how they're using these plants and how they're using them
00:22:07.600now in the modern day world as opposed to something that traditional chinese medicine
00:22:12.260or ayurveda has been using 10 20 000 years how are they using it now how are they preparing it
00:22:18.460And how is that quality then coming to the person, to us, and doing the job that it's supposed to?
00:22:25.460How do I know that by picking up that supplement of that turmeric, is it really the active compounds with the curcumens and the tumorones, the things that are studied scientifically, how do I actually know?
00:22:45.060And just out of the innocence of doing that, it wasn't to coin any term that came by way of, you know, I think a business week article 10 years ago.
00:22:56.100And it was really that, oh, no one doesn't seem like anyone's doing this.
00:23:14.240And so the more I was looking under the hood in the industry, literally there and knowing who's growing it, what they're growing, the more I realized, oh, my God, this is the Wild West.
00:23:26.620What did you what did you discover?0.96
00:23:28.240Like when you are we being poisoned by bullshit a lot in the food we eat?0.98
00:26:17.280that are consciously being conscious consumerism, right?
00:26:22.180So are they being transparent? Are they letting you know of the tests that they're doing of where the source is coming from? Or is it just a marketing spin? You know, I've developed some very successful products. So at least I can speak to those and we can stand behind them and understand that transparency.
00:26:40.940So what I want for people is to start questioning this stuff just because it's on the shelves does not mean we have to be our own policing of this stuff.
00:26:52.040We really do because the FDA and all of these other things, A, they don't have the resources.
00:26:58.300And number two, if they do have the resources, they have a million conflicts of interest within their researchers and within, you know, getting paid off and all of this stuff.
00:27:08.180And I've talked to some of the PhDs going directly into them.
00:27:12.720So it's not to make that the agency, the evil empire, but they're not an agency that's looking out for us.
00:27:20.820It's again, the whole thing of like, I always look at it like we have to take responsibility for ourself in our life, right?
00:27:27.020So if you're opening your mouth and ingesting something, then do your homework, understand that you're opening yourself up of trust that you might be exposed to unwanted particulates, glyphosate, heavy metals, PCBs, dioxins, neonicotinoids.
00:27:50.820the people that say i'm gonna eat this food because i'm gonna get exposed to neonicitoids
00:27:59.880anyways you know what i'm saying like are we are we gonna get bombed with heavy metals whether we
00:28:05.560eat the right foods or not i mean that's like saying um well the bomb already blew up so i'm
00:28:14.260not even gonna move away i'm just gonna you know so my my thing is there there's there's a term
00:42:15.180Well, when you were talking about subsidies and I pulled up, the government spends $38 billion each year to subsidize meat and dairy, which is the majority of what's in schools right now.
00:42:23.620But only 0.04% of that, 17 million, to subsidize fruit and vegetables.
00:51:07.620Yeah, that's what I was going to say to you too.
00:51:09.340I think, like, the bigger, like, discussion is around behavior and desire to even want to be receptive to any of this stuff.
00:51:21.500Like, the majority of people that I, this is me speaking for myself, that I hang around or come in contact with day to day, they don't care.
00:51:38.760they would be like all right but let me die with this double cheeseburger large fry1.00
00:51:42.340some molly water and a couple chicks to fuck at the end of the night and you would say listen like1.00
00:51:46.340that's not going to promote long-term health for you and they would say i don't care it's0.99
00:51:51.280very true we see it all the time and so like i uh i just i guess like my question or like my
00:51:58.240curiosity is like how do we get people to start to care more is that even possible man in the
00:52:05.580mirror it starts there like i'm like listen to more michael jackson is that what you're saying
00:52:10.560that's a great song i don't think we can unload all of this the tentacles with that but
00:52:16.800uh but but there is a truth to that like i'm not that vegan that's announcing it right i'm not that
00:52:26.460this is this is what i'm choosing for myself because it aligns with my true north on many
00:52:31.140levels i've practiced it it i'm strong i'm healthy i'm vibrant i it aligns with morals and ethics and
00:52:39.360all of that stuff but i'm not gonna beat anyone over all of my friends are they vegan no so i
00:52:45.100work out with all of the good friends yeah i respect wherever someone's at whatever they want
00:52:51.560to do but what seems to happen when someone's ready you haven't pushed them you haven't made
00:52:59.440an agenda when they ask a question that's the opening and so you know i've been in talks where
00:53:07.120i know the paleo guy the crossfit guy they're all in the audience and so i start going hey i'm a
00:53:13.660vegan and you don't have to do i just want to cut the energy yeah i don't care in that sense to
00:53:20.520convert you or you or it's not my i don't want that responsibility what about have you ever come
00:53:26.760across um a person who's been a vegan for like let's say three years or so three like around
00:53:31.320that time and then they start eating eggs do you resent them for that no he knows we're talking
00:53:39.240about someone he knows that's pretty specific but he's not a vegan anymore man he eats eggs
00:53:46.080he eats eggs darren and the reason i bring it up is because i was a vegan for four months it might
00:53:51.880have been actually when i met you i was vegan and darren i couldn't do it i couldn't do it
00:53:58.300with the amount the amount i was training i i looked sickly and i felt weak and lethargic and
00:54:05.240i would lose two pounds every day no matter how much i had the nutritionist had it all
00:54:09.920and uh i i don't maybe maybe it's being vegan is not for me per se but it just sucked me of
00:54:17.260everything energy i'd sleep 12 13 hours a day it was just well i mean it's like saying you know
00:54:23.600i'm a human like there's so many different factors yeah what are you you know what are
00:54:28.840you eating that may be the transition of you doing it while you're doing all this intense stuff and
00:54:35.160your body hasn't converted it hasn't fully materialized in terms of the microbiological
00:54:41.180or the enzymatic functions or there's a million reasons and so when someone says well i failed at
00:54:47.340being vegan it's like oh really i mean it's so ambiguous ambiguous that it's it's it's difficult
00:54:55.120to now listen uh for me i have access to a lot of information and a lot of superfoods and all
00:55:04.060of that stuff and i and i'm i spend time dialing all that in from my point of view there's no reason
00:55:12.500there's nothing i get there's nothing i need from that if i need a source of something i know where
00:55:20.660i can get it you know um so if you say a b12 uh like eat unclean lettuce from natural stores the
00:55:30.400b12's coming from dirt and the conversion in your gut anyway she gotta eat dirt do you want me to0.65
00:55:35.340eat dirt i do want to eat dirt question because now now i'm now you're making now you're making0.91
00:55:41.420me i can't be any less clean trust me now you're making me think which is good and i have questions
00:55:46.360for you i like yes you've done a good amount of research on certain on superfoods and supplements
00:55:53.120and all those things if i hit you with a little laundry list and maybe logan jumps in spencer
00:55:57.320jumps in maybe you could tell us what you think right now the best supplement or superfood for0.91
00:56:02.660each of these problems might be are you it's tough damn it well it's it's tough because
00:56:08.260unless they let me look under the hood of the of the person or the supplement the the supplement0.72
00:56:14.600okay let's like an exam i'm sure i'd stress first first and foremost say again stress
00:56:19.320just oh just what you can do for the stress i mean you look at the adaptogenic plethora that
00:56:25.460we have. So adaptogenic herbs are incredible for stress. You have chaga mushrooms, king of all
00:56:30.840mushrooms, right? So helps thwart stress. It's been used, you know, by almost every culture from
00:56:38.060the Vikings to traditional Chinese medicine. You have schizandra, which has been used for over 10,000
00:56:44.320years of by traditional Chinese medicine. You have ashwagandha, astragalus, reishi, all of these
00:56:53.780things or in this adaptogenic herb and what does that mean means that these plants and this is a
00:56:59.740cool thing that goes on with us and plants is that those plants are under stress they're in a
00:57:07.300situation maybe schizandra uh or rhodiola like rhodiola i was at 17 000 feet with a tibetan guy
00:57:16.760jumping up and on this mountain white capped everyone else that was with us couldn't make it
00:57:22.320I couple that with not only taking the adaptogenic herbs, but also doing a lot of breath work.
00:57:30.340And so when we found the rhodiola way up there, it's under all of the stress.
00:57:34.480And those compounds, actually, when we consume them, actually support us in the stress that we're under.
00:57:43.420So adaptogens are plants that are beaten up in its environment, creating these compounds so that they survive and thrive in the areas that they come from, and we consume them and we get those benefits.
00:57:57.520So there's a huge laundry list of adaptogenic herbs that I think, you know, the mushroom blend and there's a great, there's many great companies out there. Four Sigmatic, I know Taro really well. There's a bunch of others, but doing sustainable harvesting and things like that.
00:58:16.860So there's a lot of incredible adaptionic herbs you can take.