Juno News - October 05, 2026


‘Complete fiction’: Alberta separatist denies report of oil, water offer for U.S. support

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00:00:00.000 Well, The Globe and Mail is reporting that leaders in the Alberta independence movement
00:00:09.360 suggested exchanging water and oil for U.S. support in their cause. And in Calgary, where
00:00:16.080 separatists met secretly with Republican strategists have sparked an outcry from
00:00:21.280 Federalists and a call for legislative change. Our guest today is Jeff Rath, who's one of the
00:00:27.360 leaders of the alberta independence movement an advocate if you will
00:00:31.680 he joins us today from calgary welcome jeff hey bark how are you i'm all right
00:00:36.560 this is a fascinating story oh it's a complete fiction but sure
00:00:42.960 all right so first of all flat out did this happen is this story true
00:00:47.840 did what happen um i mean the whole thing is so unbelievable
00:00:53.200 let's start with the water thing because that's the one i find the most
00:00:55.840 ridiculous right there's only one alberta river that flows into the united states it's the milk
00:01:00.240 river it's the subject to a of a massive uh u.s canada regulatory you know transborder regulatory 0.68
00:01:07.840 agreement and water commission right so any suggestion that people that are university
00:01:13.280 educated you know like dr modry who's like the lead you know who's the founder of the alberta
00:01:18.400 heart and lung transplant program the u of a has degrees from stanford i have you know honors
00:01:23.280 degrees from both the university of alberta and the london school of economics that we could go
00:01:28.140 to the united states and suggest to them what we're going to reroute the north saskatchewan river
00:01:33.460 and send it down to california in exchange for the you know american support of independence
00:01:39.520 it's the most ridiculous thing that i've ever heard i mean i actually confirmed with modry
00:01:44.160 because i haven't been i've been so busy i haven't spoken to him lately but i talked to him this
00:01:48.100 morning and dennis categorically denies ever having said anything of that nature to the globe
00:01:53.720 and mail so i mean they're just making this stuff up so what are the hot button issues for you know
00:01:58.380 for um uh you know for federalists right they're gonna take our water away i mean come on i mean
00:02:04.200 it's it's a joke right and then this stuff about oil you know like you know they offered up oil
00:02:09.360 royalties first of all we're there as private citizens just to talk aspirationally about what
00:02:14.040 the aspirations are of hundreds of thousands of albertans that want alberta to pursue a lawful
00:02:20.720 process under the canadian constitution for alberta to become a free and independent country
00:02:25.100 right and our aspirations include you know additional pipelines to the united states
00:02:30.640 a pipeline to the west coast of the united states to serve the korean japanese california markets
00:02:36.800 etc you know new pipelines down to the gulf coast corpus christi maybe that don't go through the
00:02:41.760 Midwest hub, doubling Alberta oil production with American investment, you know, all those types of
00:02:46.840 things. I mean, those are aspirations of the hundreds of thousands of Albertans that support
00:02:51.440 the Alberta independence movement, along with an end to federal income tax, federal regulation,
00:02:56.140 federal carbon tax, you know, federal decarbonization requirements as a precondition
00:03:01.860 for pipeline construction, you know, all of those things, right? We've discussed, you know,
00:03:06.800 with the americans as the aspirations of hundreds of thousands of albertans nothing illegal about 1.00
00:03:12.260 that like even the idiot cory hogan who now wants to outlaw me talking to the americans this is the 0.98
00:03:18.240 liberal mp from calgary confederation right outlaw jeff raff being able to discuss things with the 1.00
00:03:24.280 american government right by parliament you know by or by act of parliament right even that idiot 0.97
00:03:29.960 admitted that everything we were doing was perfectly legal but he's like well it's perfectly 0.93
00:03:34.700 legal but that's why we need to have a law to stop this okay so he doesn't want you talking
00:03:39.700 to the americans yeah yeah yeah but of course there's nothing about you know telling brookfield
00:03:44.420 they can't talk to the americans they're not telling billionaire you know canadians that
00:03:48.680 they can't hire lobbyists that they can't meet with senators they can't meet with congress people
00:03:52.740 they can't pursue their interests like the billionaires can't pursue their interests
00:03:57.340 through all the governmental channels they have no no no they just don't want people who favor
00:04:02.420 Alberta independence, being able to have high-level, credible meetings on an aspirational
00:04:09.380 basis with senior representatives of the U.S. government.
00:04:11.880 I want to ask you, Jeff, is this timed ahead of the referendum vote or the referendum to
00:04:18.000 have a referendum vote?
00:04:19.560 Is that really why we're seeing a story like this?
00:04:22.280 Is it designed to undermine support in your cause?
00:04:25.860 Oh, of course it is.
00:04:26.680 It's just propaganda, right?
00:04:27.940 I mean, none of this is news.
00:04:29.340 We had press conferences before we left to go to the United States.
00:04:31.920 we have press conferences and media availability afterwards i had it i had interviews with you
00:04:36.960 i had an interview with vashi compel us on ctv that went you know that went viral where we talked
00:04:42.480 about all of these things none of this is news other than you know uh you know the fake news
00:04:49.040 component that the globe and mail made up about things that occurred in these meetings that never
00:04:54.400 occurred that i categorically deny because i was at every single meeting dennis modry i just spoke
00:04:59.680 to him he denies ever having said that to the globe and mail i mean they're just making this
00:05:03.920 stuff up and then the stuff that's really funny i find about oh my goodness people in the albertia
00:05:08.480 independence movement you know met with you know republican operatives you know my understanding
00:05:13.600 because i wasn't part of these meetings my understanding is some people within the
00:05:16.880 independence movement may have spoken to people with their own proprietary software to help you
00:05:22.800 know with uh you know election planning or whatever i wasn't partied any of those meetings 0.73
00:05:27.920 But one of the biggest proponents of screaming about open independence from borders or meeting with Republican operatives is that little twit, Jen Gerson, right?
00:05:38.300 You know, the climate alarmist, you know, climate freakout nutjob, Jen Gerson, who thinks polar bears are dying and all the rest of this nonsense, right? 1.00
00:05:46.940 Who's literally sleeping with a Republican pollster. 0.99
00:05:50.260 She's married to a Republican pollster. 0.98
00:05:52.980 and the fact that she lives in a big house in the united states and has this wonderful american 1.00
00:05:57.700 lifestyle and all this kind of stuff it's all paid for but with republican money because she's
00:06:02.940 sleeping with a republican and she's coming up here and telling him oh everybody needs to panic
00:06:08.420 jeff you mentioned that you were not privy to all of this no no but i'm aware you know i'm aware
00:06:13.120 one of your colleagues is it possible one of your colleagues maybe said something offered oil
00:06:20.120 offered water no no no no because the meetings there's let's let's be really clear here there's
00:06:24.520 a big difference between the meetings at the u.s state department right where they're alleging
00:06:28.380 these alleged negotiations took place and meetings between people that i may you know that i may know
00:06:34.340 that met with a poll that you're not a polling firm but a software firm uh over potentially
00:06:39.480 using software that they have you know to assist with or get out the vote strategy right two
00:06:44.700 completely separate things right so i can state categorically that there was never any negotiations
00:06:51.380 about offering up america alberta oil or oil royalties or water to the united states as
00:06:58.040 ludicrous to suggest it i was at every meeting at the state department those discussions never
00:07:02.960 happened dennis modry denies that he ever said that and furthermore denies having said it to 0.98
00:07:08.060 the globe and mail right so you know again this is all just timed you know the silly twit jen 0.73
00:07:14.160 gerson republican operative story um and this globe and mail you know the globe and mails kind 0.82
00:07:20.660 of intermingled them all right um you know this story it's just designed to get people not to vote
00:07:26.780 in favor of independence it's literally telling albertans don't vote to end federal income tax
00:07:32.020 don't vote for your family's future don't vote to make your life better right because you know
00:07:38.120 these crazy people went to the united states and offered them oil and water i mean nothing
00:07:43.080 to be more you know nothing but you heard you heard the announcement by the prime minister uh
00:07:48.200 what's that you you heard the announcement by the prime minister about the proposed pipeline
00:07:52.760 the ones that's supposed to go south along the tmx trajectory and then to the coast well no but
00:07:58.760 you know it wasn't really a project of national interest that would be a project of national
00:08:03.720 interest i mean has has that moved the needle at all in terms of the upcoming referendum vote
00:08:09.480 I don't think so, because it was just another phony pipeline announcement.
00:08:13.700 If people really listen to what Carney says, at that announcement, he says,
00:08:18.480 yes, I'm proud to announce that we have now initiated an 11-month process to determine what conditions will be placed on pipeline construction.
00:08:29.780 So they weren't really announcing a pipeline.
00:08:32.660 They were announcing that the federal government was delaying a pipeline for another 11 months.
00:08:37.500 Well, the federal, well, a thousand federal bureaucrats, right, thousands of federal bureaucrats dream up new conditions to place on any potential future pipeline construction to make the pipelines even, you know, the pipeline even less economical, right?
00:08:52.120 And if you look at the so-called certificate of national interest legislation and the things that federal bureaucrats can impose by way of conditions on construction, it includes things like a determination of the amelioration of gender intersectionality, decarbonization, carbon offsets, all of these crazy things.
00:09:15.940 So, you know, we're going to have 11 months where, you know, thousands of bureaucrats figure out how many people with nonstandard pronouns are going to be forced on every pipeline crew, right, on every wealthy crew.
00:09:26.460 Then we're going to have more carbon tax.
00:09:28.460 We're going to have more decarbonization requirements.
00:09:30.800 I mean, this will go down as being the first hundred billion dollar pipeline in Canadian history when this sucker finally gets built, if it ever gets built, you know, 10 years from now, when China has enough refining capacity to absorb 100 percent of the throughput of this pipeline.
00:09:47.420 That's what's going on.
00:09:48.820 If President Trump were to offer Alberta statehood, would there be much support?
00:09:52.940 Would you support that?
00:09:53.880 No, because first of all, it wouldn't happen because it requires a resolution of the joint chambers of Congress, the Senate and the House of Representatives, right?
00:10:07.480 And it would never happen because of the filibuster rules in the Senate.
00:10:10.580 You need a two-thirds majority in the Senate to pass anything.
00:10:14.420 And Democrats are never going to vote for Republican Alberta joining the United States.
00:10:18.860 So it's never on the table.
00:10:20.000 president trump can offer whatever he wants but constitutionally and legally alberta will never
00:10:24.800 become the 51st state even though there's a very small minority in our movement that favor that
00:10:29.800 from our very first meetings at the united states in the united states we literally told them right
00:10:34.900 first things out of our mouths were you know we are not advocating alberta statehood um we're here
00:10:40.220 to talk to you about the aspirations of hundreds of thousands of albertans for alberta to become
00:10:44.060 a free and independent country and the immediate reaction of the state department officials that
00:10:48.440 we met with oh good because alberta would never be able to come become a state right so you know
00:10:55.300 those are the discussions that we're having i've been talking about this publicly and transparently
00:11:00.220 from the date of our first meeting right so none of this is secret um even you know cory hogan the
00:11:06.860 guy that now wants to outlaw me by federal act of parliament or outlaw me being able to speak to
00:11:11.780 americans by federal act of uh of the canadian parliament admits that nothing we did was the
00:11:17.660 legal or offended canadian law but he goes on to say well it wasn't illegal but it should be so
00:11:23.660 we're going to make a law to turn jeff routh into an outlaw if he ever talks to an american again
00:11:28.600 right like right you can't make this stuff you can't make this stuff up right jeff thank you so
00:11:34.220 much for coming on the show we really appreciate it always a pleasure i just wish we were talking
00:11:38.160 about something a bit more serious today than the nonsense that the globin veil and and that
00:11:42.460 little twit jenkers that are throwing out into the public in the public square but anyway that's
00:11:46.640 the role we live in, I guess. Jeff Rath, joining us from Calgary. If you enjoyed this show and
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