Doctor Proves That Ab0rt10n Is Birth Control
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Summary
Abortion, rape, incest, rape at a young age, incest at an early age, and incest at a very young age. Is abortion the answer? Should abortion be allowed for rape victims? Should incest victims be allowed to have an abortion? Should rape victims have access to abortion? In this episode, we discuss the pros and cons of abortion for incest victims.
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is where I stand what do you say because they'll always bring up what about the
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11 year old girl that was raped should she be allowed to get an abortion the
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11 year old that just her dad incest her yeah so it's a it's a give me like the
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worst sob story they'd like give me the the worst sob story we can come up with
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and that is the example we will give pro-life okay yeah it's yeah I mean you
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know these these cases as we know are extremely rare but they happen so what
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I what I often say is you know places like Florida keep statistics on this
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about why do abortions happen and the number for rape in total is like I think
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it was 0.14 percent so again you know one about one in 700 I think it was and the
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number of those that will be for 11 year old children is going to be
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significantly lower still so it's a it's a very rare situation but it does
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happen and that 11 year old girl in that situation you know is is a victim is
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infinitely valuable and she deserves to have you know the utmost protection and
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what I would say is first and foremost there's a physical health question which
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is that if the child literally cannot give birth to you know without significantly
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impairing their health abortion is always going to be legal so there's there
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shouldn't be any worry about the physical health of the child because if
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her physical health is really significantly threatened abortion will be
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legal and no one is campaigning to prevent her from being having access to
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that so the question is fundamentally therefore about the psychological impact
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now what I think is in the minds often of people who ask this question many
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people ask it from a good place you know they they really feel sorry for a girl in
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this situation and think I just can't bring myself to be pro-life in that
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situation for other people it's like a distraction right it's like let's think
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of the worst most rare possible situation and use that to argue for abortion for
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any reason but let's let's assume there's a sincere person asking this there's a
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there's a concern about her psychological well-being but what we often get into the
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habit of thinking is if she just has an abortion it solves the problem she
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doesn't have to go through this psychologically torturous situation of you
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know being pregnant and then giving to a birth as an 11 year old child and so on
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we can just have an abortion and get rid of all of that the problem with that
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intuition and that line of thinking is that that's just not reality there is no
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world in which you can save a girl who has been in this situation from
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significant mental trauma she has been the victim of incest usually and certainly the
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victim of rape at 11 years old there is no solution in the world that is going to
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just clear that up and make things better so the question is not how can we just
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eliminate that suffering because that's just crazy and if you tell an 11 year old
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girl we can get rid of the problem you're lying to her and you're betraying her the
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question is what is the solution that is going to give her the least suffering and
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that is going to help her the most and when you are frame it that way and you're
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actually realistic about the alternatives that we can give to a woman or a girl in
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this horrendous situation it's far less obvious that abortion is the answer as I
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said we know that abortion has significant mental health problems on
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average for a woman who chooses it compared to a woman who continues an
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unwanted pregnancy we know that girls teenagers or even you know preteens who
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have abortions are even higher risk for mental health problems as a result of
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their abortion having an abortion at 14 years old or even earlier is a huge
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trauma that has significant mental health problems for a girl or a teenager in that
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situation so all that to say there's no easy way out but actually the evidence
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suggests that an abortion will make things worse than they already are there's
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no way we can magically make things better but abortion is going to make things
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worse and so yes the woman is going to have this trauma that the girl is going
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to have this trauma we have to help her through that we have to seek justice for
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the perpetrator but we're just lying if we pretend that there's an easy way out
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that's going to spare her that trauma there isn't think about it this way a
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woman who is the victim of rape or the victim of incest who doesn't get
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pregnant how is she going to feel and what can we do for her well abortion isn't on
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the table because she's not pregnant but the woman is the girl the girl is still
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experiencing this profound trauma and grief and suffering from what she's been
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through it's clear when you think about it that way that abortion is not the
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solution the problem is the rape it's not the pregnancy the problem is the
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trauma that she's had because she has been a victim of rape or incest at a very
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young age in particular and that makes him all the more obvious I think that
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abortion is not the solution because pregnancy is not the fundamental problem
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when you finally you know do look at women in this situation and you ask them
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what what helped there's actually a good book and this is the last thing I'll say
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because it's very easy to sit here with me as a guy talking who's never been
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through this never will be through that we never will go through this and think
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how could he really know how could he possibly know and how could he you know
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elaborate and pontificate about about what a woman or girl would actually think in this
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there's a book called victims and victors by an author called a researcher called
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david ridden which actually asks those women themselves these girls and women who
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have been the victim of incest or rape and it followed them through and about half
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of them had an abortion actually less than half of them had an abortion most of
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them actually kept the baby and so he then asked the women or the girls how
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do you feel about the abortion how do you feel about keeping the baby now what he
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found was that when he actually let these women and girls speak for
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themselves you actually didn't get a clear pro-abortion or pro-choice message
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yes a lot of them who had abortion said it was the right choice but many of them
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said it was the wrong choice they said abortion took away the only thing that
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could have given me healing in that situation they said the one thing that gave me
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hope or light at the end of the tunnel was that life and abortion took that
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away the only thing abortion did was it added a second trauma to the victim and
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it added a second victim to the crime whereas by contrast the women who kept
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the baby in that situation every single one said it was the right decision and it
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was the number one thing that helped me to heal from that trauma so again you know
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the main thing I say to people on this question is you don't have to listen to me
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and I get it if you don't want to but listen to the women who have actually
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experienced that and I guarantee you when you listen to their voices and you
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don't exploit their stories their answers will actually point much more towards
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life as part of the solution than it will towards abortion what do you say when
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they come at you and say but there's so many kids in foster care don't you care
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about the kids in foster care so so there's a lot of things to say about that the
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the first is that abortion actually hasn't solved that problem at all when you look
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at the number of unwanted pregnancies and unwanted children that number has not fallen
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since abortion was legalized as just one example of this they said you know in the 1960s
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and 70s if we legalize abortion there'll be no more problem of single motherhood because
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they said sorry I know the numbers on this right like anyone knows the number like yeah if you think
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that single motherhood has been like has fallen since abortion right lies like you're living in a
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dream world yeah but it was supposed to be the solution because you know if a woman
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gets pregnant out of wedlock right without a without the guy around she can just have an
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abortion but we know that it's got way way more of an issue since then those are the supposedly
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unwanted children that's like a measure of unwanted children at least traditionally and that got far
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worse of a problem after abortion was legalized and so when you look at the statistics on child abuse
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children in care all of these things it's very far from obvious that any of them have got better
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since abortion was legalized now there's a whole load of other things you could say you could point
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out the fact that it's almost impossible to adopt a newborn baby any baby you know if you're thinking
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about abortion and you decide to give birth to the baby instead or even if you're forced to give birth
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to the baby instead that baby will be adopted in a heartbeat there will be 10 couples waiting