Good Conversation On Dating Market in 2023
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Summary
In this episode, the guys talk about how to get a girl s number, how to turn down a girl, and how to know if a girl is a good girl or a bad girl. We also talk about what to do with a girl who doesn t want to go out on a date.
Transcript
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Only funny to me, like, I can see you, that's the messenger.
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you can figure out, I'm only kidding, blah, blah, blah,
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The gifs, you know the gifs, the little, um, the gifs, gifs, gifs,
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if you get a private message or something like that,
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I'm old school, like pretend social media didn't exist.
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let's go catch a bite, let's go to a cocktail bar.
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It's not just a thing where I just want to talk.
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Anyone can be anyone on social media or on the phone.
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Because that's what wows me, and that's what gets here.
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and you know which ones you can just bring back.
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If you say the word, this should be outdated now,
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so I'm gonna throw this out there, but you know,
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Nah, nah, nah, just ignore the whole trouble thing, innit?
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Because I think trouble, you guys be using trouble, yeah.
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that's just who I am, you know that girl is tapped.
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because you told her that you were two pence off,
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that's someone, that's someone that will have a fight with you
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What do you think about the girls that say that
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How about people's girlfriends can't do with you?
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No, that's cool, I'm cool though, I'm a good guy.
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You're giving vibes that she can't have friends.
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Um, I kind of just look at, I just, I just observe, man.
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You gotta observe, like people will tell on themself eventually.
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So you just observe what kind of stuff they're posting.
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If they're posting a lot of like indirect quotes to,
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If they're, yeah, just depend on what you post.
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I met a girl, like if I met someone, girl or female,
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and they tell me there's come out of a relationship,
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But if we're just talking on a sexual situation,
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If it's just, if you just want to have fun or whatever,
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If you told me you just broke up with your partner.
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If she posts a hundred quotes, then you're right.
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She does have a hundred issues that she needs to sort out
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I'm not going to give them clout right now, but-
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The one that begins with a J, and ends with a Y.
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Like that one, if they post that, red flag, Trinidad.
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Because you know, if they follow Sam Smith, I'm joking.
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And what if he follows a bunch of Instagram models?
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Not really, because guys are going to be guys, aren't they?
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They're all going to be attracted to Instagram models,
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but it doesn't really bother me too, too much, to be fair.
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So what do you look for when it comes to their following?
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I'll go through that specific girl, if that makes sense.
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I need to know which one of my friends know me.
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If we've got mutuals, there's certain people that if we're mutual friends,
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Whenever I'm dating with a girl or talking to a girl,
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It's the guys that I know are just out there in the streets.
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The guys that I want, I'm just like, I watch your mutuals.
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Because everyone in London, guy-wise, in the whole gay world,
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I don't think I've ever had a girl play out on me.
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I, the younger version of me, like, okay, for example,
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I think any guy that's under the age of 25 or like 20 years old,
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if they've cheated, sorry, I know you're going to disagree with me.
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Um, so I think like, if you're under the age of 25 and you cheat,
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We're under 25 and I've done it and I think a lot of us here have done it.
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What I'm trying to say is I think if a woman takes a guy seriously
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under the age of 21 and he's cheated, that's on you.
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Our mentality, women to me, mature far more than men at a different age.
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Men, there's men that still like 40, 50 still playing PlayStation and still doing silly crazy.
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with women that have kids, yeah, I feel like they learn a certain sense of responsibility
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and that no one's coming to save them because they have a responsibility.
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Up until then, I think they can be a bit childish in society.
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They're playing a step that no one wants to do.
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I think, I don't actually think that men are more mature than women.
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You know, um, my, there's this saying that's like,
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right when a woman starts to receive attention from men, she like doesn't age mentally.
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So like, she's like whatever age it was, so 13, 14, 15.
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And I went out and I had this like red pill moment a couple years ago.
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My mom, I got in trouble in high school, so she sent me to my grandma's house.
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And I was at, um, and it was weird because a lot of the grandmas were like widows, right?
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So their grandmas all went like to this like karaoke bar.
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And the way they were talking, I was like, this sounds like me and my friends.
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But I think like in media, they always paint women as the smart ones and men as the dumb ones.
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And I think that like, if you think of the Simpsons, it's always, you know, Marge is smart, Bart is dumb.
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Family guy is this fat guy that can't be trusted with anything.
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I think like in general, women play way more childish games than men do.
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And same thing like when women cheat, because women cheat, I think-
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That's because women know how to manipulate them.
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My ex-partner used to do stuff like when I was sleeping, would just do the fingerprint thing
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So she knows she can pick up my finger and go through my messages.
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Like for us, as men, we ain't really trying to do that.
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Because I think that question is a very nuanced question.
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Because there are a lot of areas in society where women are like a lot more mature than men in certain areas.
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Like when it comes to like emotional, like how to do with one's emotions.
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Women have got their pats from today one because that's literally most of what they do from today.
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I just said have the ability to look at their emotions and be one with their emotions.
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But like the fact that women have gone through this emotional turmoil and they go through it all the time.
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And like if they see a dog dies, it's just like the worst thing in the world.
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But now I've got to a point where I will never do it.
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Because every time I've done it, I've found something and I actually really like my boyfriend.
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So even if I get the feeling, I'm like, I don't even want to leave it at this point.
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My ex-girlfriend, like girlfriends I've had, one specific partner has gone through my phone
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and woke me up at like three in the morning and been like, oh, blah, blah, blah.
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Not continuous, but my younger days, like I would just be like, but how did you even
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know I was talking to her on Facebook or how did you know?
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And you've been like, oh, a woman always knows.
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Because there's a lot of subconscious things that you would do.
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So it's like, we pick up on little social cues that like men don't.
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We'll notice, let's say, if you don't like text us around the time you normally text us.
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Or like, or if you don't do something you normally do that you wouldn't like think anything of.
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Or if like you have a certain interaction with a girl and you think, well, that's how
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Because the thing is, the thing is, guys have this as well.
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And guys, you know the whole thing of like guys knowing that one guy friend who's actually
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It's just very, it's just kind of different how we go about dealing with it.
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So guys will go around and be like, oh, that one friend.
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We'll just say it directly because guys are way more direct than women.
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We'll be like, yo, that friend Zeke or whatever his name is Zach.
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Like there's going to be the ones where guys will tell their girlfriend, no, he's not.
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A girl will do, will look at the same information.
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And instead of just saying it outright, like, yo, Sarah's trying to have sex with you, bro.
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They'll be like, they'll go around and be like, get you to see it through their words
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It's very different approaches that guys can go through.
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The approach that we take sometimes as guys is like, we think that that's going to repulse
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If you say, you know, you know that male friend.
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But you know, at the end of the day, that's why I think that with male friends,
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with women and guys, like having that friendship, it's very much, it works in a woman's favor
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So you wouldn't let me be friends with your girl?
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But I would treat you like a male friend that she has in it.
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You can't come in one day and you're in there changing.
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She wanted to come around my yard and work or something.
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And she was like, oh, her boyfriend won't allow her because it's just me and her.
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She's working from, instead of working from home, she's working from my life.
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It's about not putting her, so her boyfriend said no.
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It's about her not being in a space or in a situation where something could happen.
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There should be boundaries in place if you're in a relationship.
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I was in a situation where I hope to go do her assignment, but by the end of the night,
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Because the situation, like one-on-one in those type of situations and those type of times,
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I can 100% understand that the guy being like, oh, I feel a bit of whatever.
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Bro, Wayne is that guy that cheats on you and then he will say to me.
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You know you have the man that will be like, yo, my girl's trying to say I was cheating on
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You just don't want to put yourself in a situation where something could come back.
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Let's say the girl lies and you can't really defend yourself.
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I think that there should be boundaries in place.
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If you are, if she's in a relationship, it's not okay for her to be bopping up to your room
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Did you, when she said that to you, did you say, you know what?
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We got in a situation where I knew she had feelings for me.
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I want to know if you guys, I know you're not single, but when you were single, if you guys
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would respond or not, and what you would think of him.
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I feel like if I saw this Instagram, I would think problems.
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I don't think this is, I don't need these type of problems.
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You've got blue ticks coming into yours as well.
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Like the last picture and this picture is fine.
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There was a couple pictures that I would be like, mm.
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I think you're a good looking guy, but I don't know.
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Because of course you had your, you were flexing.
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I mean, you're a good looking guy, but I think, yeah, there was a couple of pictures that
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But you said you don't like the whole top thing off.
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But it's just, I mean, I think I have that view in general though.
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Like, even if a girl is like, and I'm not going to say I haven't done this in the past,
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but if you're out there like bikini, like tits, like tits in the camera, like showing off your body in a certain type of way, you want a certain type of attention.
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I was like, I just have like, I would think, because when you see a profile like that, I would just assume you get so much attention.
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Have you guys ever gone through a girl's phone?
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Most of the time, you know, guys, we're a bit, we're just, we don't go for the right things.
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I think once, once you're in that place where it becomes a thing where you need to, then
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Like someone going, someone opening up your phone in your sleep is different to like someone
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leaving you with their phone and then you might just, you know, okay, that pop up came
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If you're like waking people up or like trying to do all that kind of stuff, I think there's,
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I think sometimes there's a curiosity thing where that people have, where it's just open
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and you just, you might just, or like, cause there's even times where I'll put it down
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And how many times, like, let's say someone's typing their password in front of you.
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How many times do you, man don't want to be guys.
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Cause your women will look at it easy, but you know, guys, you want to feel secure.
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So you're just like, no, I'm not even going to look because you don't want problems in
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But sometimes you, you just look and see, cool.
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I think I've checked in the same way of like being that one, like person who's very worried
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The check in that check in quote unquote is one of those ones.
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Like you said, you're on her phone, you're playing fucking fruit ninja or whatever.
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And like a text comes up, you know, I'm like, I don't go through anyone's phone.
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But you see the name and you see what the message is.
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And you're like, okay, you just keep a mental note of like, all right.
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I think yeah, if you don't trust your partner, then I think that that is already.
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Life is too short for me to go through your phone.
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I think, I think, I think naked pictures is definitely worse.
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So if he bought her a bunch of clothes or something, that wouldn't be as bad as naked pictures.
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No, I have to disagree because, like, let's be real.
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Some of the stuff that girls post on Instagram, does it really make a difference if you're sending nudes privately on Snapchat or if you're just posting that on Instagram?
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Like, you're gonna have people doing what they do.
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If I found out a dude was buying some random Instagram girl, a bunch of shit.
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Like, the nudes, it's like, okay, a man's a man, a man has a penis, like, he's gonna do what he's gonna do.
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But it's like, the buying things, it's like, that's the effort.
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Versus looks up corn online, is it that big of a-
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Because it's all just, like, I mean, it's just flesh.
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Like, the act of buying someone a gift takes thought and effort.
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Like, a guy getting nudes, he's getting that for one thing.
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The intentions of why he's buying her something as well.
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Like, he's probably buying her something so that he can sleep with her eventually.
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You know the detectives in the movie that say, yeah.
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Would you guys break up if zero contact happened?
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Cause, you know what's funny when you asked that first question?
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We gave each other a look, cause we both know if he buying someone else a gift-
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He's really having a conversation with this girl.
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He's looking to have a conversation with this girl and he's like, he's talking to her enough
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that he knows her well enough to think that he can buy her things and know what she likes.
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That means he's been talking to her for a while.
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Which means he's down to book a ticket if she drops the address.
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No, that's the difference between like a fling and a fair.
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A fair is, you know, you follow the money, you'll find the affair.
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Fling is any news you're gonna find or whatever.
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The news is whatever, because you can, if he's a cheater, he can be getting news from 11 people, whatever.
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If he's like a serial cheater, then he's getting news from everyone.
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But if he's sending, if he's got to a point of messaging this person to a point where he's sending the gifts on a somewhat regular basis.
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That would just, that would turn me off massively.
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OnlyFans can be, can be used in different ways though.
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Cause there's people that do OnlyFans that don't, you don't need to fully do the whole.
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I think that's like sad, like I'd almost, I'd almost rather he cheat than subscribing.
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Yeah, because of like, nobody wants you to the point you have to get like.
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And then I would wonder, I'm like, did I do something wrong?
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It's the same with like, um, like maybe escorts and stuff in it.
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So let's say for instance with OnlyFans, it makes it more personal.
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So let's say you can have OnlyFans and you don't probably, but if you do,
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and someone really wanted, they couldn't really bother to wine and Daniel
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and talk with you like that, but they really were like sexually attracted to you.
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They could just go through the OnlyFans, pay that little subscription.
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Instead of doing a whole dating situation, they paid for an escort.
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They've got that out of the system and they've moved on.
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So it's like, I think with OnlyFans, the only difference between OnlyFans and
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Pornhub is that they have, they might know the person.
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That's why I think OnlyFans is growing because it's more personal.
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You know, there's people like there's female escort.
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If you believe that you need to go through her phone, all you're doing is looking for
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anything to confirm what you already believe is happening.
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Like, okay, because I would genuinely look at myself and say, what did I do to drive
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Because paying for porn in 2023 is wild in and of itself.
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A lot of people, it's the fault of having something that they can't have.
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And it's an attraction where all we might get caught.
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But I mean, that's a sexual drive because I can't, I'm not physically having you.
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You're just someone that's on a computer screen.
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A lot of people, an affair is sexy and they love it and it's an attraction until it becomes
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something that's like allowed, you know, like people leave their wives for their mistress.
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And they're like, all of a sudden it's like, it's not as fun anymore.
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You might get left by the wife and end up with the mistress, but you don't leave the
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Has social media ever caused an argument in a relationship?
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I used to get me in heated discussions all the time.
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But I would, I was like, I would do it for like algorithm things.
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So if I know I'm about to post, I'll just like anything on my timeline.
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Cause I know they're going to look and they're going to go and like my thing back.
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I would like picture of your grand, your ankle, whatever, dogs, anything on that timeline
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It's not like I have to do it in secret, but I understand it looks crazy.
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Cause as well, it puts it onto their newsfeed as well.
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Remember when you can see what other people are like.
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So I used to get into, into situations about that.
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But I think on the flip side, if your girl only follows 90 people, let's say for instance,
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My situation was different where a girl slid into my DMs on Facebook.
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I like went the extra mile on Facebook to find out that she went to college with my girl.
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You know, like when you're in a relationship, it says you're in a relationship with this person.
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I wasn't that smart when I was below 25, like I said.
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So what happened was, she was like, oh, when we started having a conversation, she was like,
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oh, but you're in a relationship with this person.
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My whole conversation with the girl and send it to my, my then girlfriend, man.
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Oh, that argument is because you were cheating?
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It's essentially, like you said, it's one of those, like, back when you can see who you liked and what you liked.
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Back when that was a thing, it was like, back then, again, we were young.
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We grew up with social media essentially at the same time.
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So you would see your partner liking all these things.
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And then there would be an argument because for those who don't know, who are too young to know, Instagram is to show people who you liked.
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Like the pictures you liked on like his own separate feed.
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Did you know that, I'm not sure if it's the same now, but before on Instagram, if you were following under 200 people, it wouldn't show what order you followed people in.
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So like, let's say your man goes out on a night out and he starts following someone new.
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You might click on their page and you'll be like, all right, cool.
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However, if he was following, if he's following on, if they're following under 200, I don't know if it's still the same feature and I don't know, updates and stuff.
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But yeah, man, those kind of things get into, you get into arguments over that.
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Because what you just said, bro, I weren't cheating.
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Is it really the end of the world if he's messaging another girl?
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It's not the end of the world, but it's not the start of the eyeball.
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I just think, like, if we have open social media profiles, can we really, like, get off our high horse sometime?
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Because I think that attention is to women as sex is to men.
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Okay, so I'm like, if we, most of us have open Instagrams and relationships, meaning we can get attention from high status men.
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But if he sends a message, like, it's the end of the world.
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If it's, like, you know, emojis and stuff like that, then it's a bit mad.
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And I mean, if it's general conversation, then, you know, you might be able to bust case.
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I think I just look at things, like, differently.
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Because if you're the type of person to, like, date for, like, a long-term relationship or marriage, right,
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then it's, like, in the grand scheme of things, is a message gonna make or break your life?
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You know, I think most of it becomes that gray area of the unknown.
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All right, let me ask you a question, because I don't feel like you're on my side.
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Okay, so you might agree with me on this, yeah?
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She's not your girl, but you know, like, you have not...
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You have people on your phone that you know like you.
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Now, I was in a situation where I was always with someone from, like, 16,
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so when I wasn't with someone, I used to just grab a girl that I knew liked me
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because I wanted to feel like it was a fulfilled thing, right?
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So if I'm not with you and we've broken up for, like, a week
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and we have a sexual situation, I didn't cheat on you because we were on a break.
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What I was agreeing with me on this one, though.
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What I'll say here is the moment you are on a break, you fed her to the wolves, bro.
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You're not under that contract, that obligation, that verbal commitment anymore, innit?
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But some people just move on quicker than others.
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And I think that if he's messaging somebody else, he's already checked out.
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Like, I think that if you're going to be in a relationship with me,
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I think that you have to put some boundaries in place.
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What if you're on holiday and then you come back and you find that he messaged another girl because you were away?
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Because to me, it seems a bit much to break up over a message.
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If it's blurry, then the intention's quite clear.
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I'm just thinking, because you're 29, if you're in a relationship,
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So, you know, if you're single by 30, your chance of having a child drops below 50%.
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So you're actually more likely to not have a kid than have one.
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And by 34, your chance of having, like, any kids at all, like geriatric pregnancy, working,
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I'm just thinking, because I'm assuming you're picky, right?
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Uh, define, like, picky, like, I think I have my standards.
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I just want a guy that's, like, serious about me, has pure intentions for me, and will be loyal.
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Well, I'm just thinking, because you've been dating since, what, 18?
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Okay, so, like, I'm just thinking of nine years.
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If none of the guys that approached you, you like enough to marry, like, you're probably picky.
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And this is just me, like, usually that women that are single over the age of, like, 25.
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I think, to be honest, I'm a Christian, and I think that that makes things a bit harder for me,
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because there's certain things that I'm, like, that I want to do to please God,
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or there's some views that I have that are more, like, biblical than, like, the world.
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And I think that now, I used to date guys that were non-Christians,
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but the things that I was passionate about, the values that I had, they didn't share those same values.
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And I want to be with someone that shares those same values as me and has the same world.
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