JustPearlyThings - Modern Woman Get ENLIGHTENED On Abortion

00:00:00.000 um well obviously i came on this show as pro-choice i'm still pro-choice

00:00:06.300 but from actually listening to the opinions of a qualified doctor and some of the things that

00:00:12.140 you said i really did not know about so a lot of people when they're very headstrong about

00:00:17.220 their opinions i like i'm open to learning new things and i did actually learn some

00:00:21.620 things some facts i didn't know and i'll take that in like when it comes to this kind of

00:00:26.200 conversation in the future so yeah um my name's melanne like i said my instagram is m double

00:00:33.140 underscore ltd um yeah hi guys

00:00:36.060 yeah i do agree um i came as a pro-choice as well i've learned a lot of things tonight definitely

00:00:45.340 it's a very very sensitive subject i just think it's important to understand everyone and where

00:00:54.220 they're coming from because everyone's situation is different and i feel like there's no place for 1.00

00:01:00.920 judgment we should just you know like just listen to each other and definitely try to put ourselves in

00:01:08.640 the other people's shoes try to understand what they're coming from but again it's something that

00:01:13.140 i respect everyone's choice it's a very very sensitive subject so it's good that we talked

00:01:19.020 about it tonight i feel like we should definitely talk about this more and um yeah my name is claire

00:01:24.460 i'm 31 and my social media is cla i w u i mostly talk about music thing so this is a new thing for me

00:01:34.060 tonight but yeah we'll do dating next week oh i'm more into this okay okay

00:01:40.120 um it's a pleasure to be here i think it's really it's a really cool um podcast uh we discuss we

00:01:50.120 some raise some issues and discuss the the issues maybe we missed and it and it's really nice to learn

00:01:58.500 some of the things that i haven't get touched um so hopefully i'll be back here again uh and please

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00:02:19.000 okay um so i am from norway and in norway we have um you can have an abortion until 12 weeks of 0.70

00:02:34.220 pregnancy uh well here's 24 so i was quite shocked when i read that um and so i i agree with the

00:02:45.160 that um i think that's true i think that 24 weeks is too long to wait because i read that 22 weeks

00:03:01.420 if it is born it can still survive um yeah and also we sort of touched on the subjects of you know

00:03:13.040 women in the workplace and um also you know women's rights and i think it's very important to

00:03:20.600 take care of that and sort of like not lose that focus um yeah i'm aurora nossen on instagram

00:03:28.940 and yeah cheers me okay i will apologize if i sounded condescending i just kind of sound like that all of 0.96

00:03:37.760 the time but yeah it's probably going to bite me in the ass that i fought with another doctor in line 0.79

00:03:42.740 they're going to meme on me for ages for that but i would like to quickly explain my thought processes 0.92

00:03:49.100 so everyone perceives life differently right and i see potential life um as being something that may

00:03:58.800 happen and it's not a guarantee in life um just as a potential energy is removed if you remove the

00:04:07.280 force that is holding it up in place um if you remove the potential a life is fertilization plus

00:04:14.220 time and if you remove time from the equation among other variables it will not come into existence

00:04:20.800 um schrodinger's cat is a way that i look at pregnancy the fetus is both alive and dead 0.97

00:04:27.460 until the box is opened um in this case the box would be the woman um schrodinger's cat is an

00:04:33.880 example in particle physics that's how we understand um the universe that's it's a paradox that exists

00:04:41.800 where particles um uh atoms behave as particles and as waves um and i think that the reason why

00:04:52.760 i believe this is is predominantly because nothing in life is guaranteed um when when we have the adage

00:05:00.880 which is do not count your uh chickens before they have hatched that is generally how i perceive

00:05:07.560 pregnancy to be and i can i appreciate you might be a little bit cold and unfeeling but i don't have

00:05:14.340 uh an emotional feeling towards a pregnancy in of itself as a concept so i apologize if i upset anyone

00:05:21.360 and my name is kelly probably don't look me up you will not like me

00:05:25.280 i'm sorry yeah well i i didn't expect well i i'm very grateful i came in as one of very few pro-lifers

00:05:34.240 especially as a man to a room full of pro-choice women and actually i've been really grateful for

00:05:38.560 the sincerity and generosity that you've given so thank you all of you um for me the pro-life view

00:05:44.420 is really just about equality it says that every human matters every human has the same rights as

00:05:49.600 anyone else and then it just says what biology says which is that a human life begins at conception

00:05:55.240 that's what i learned at medical school that's why when i went to medical school i changed from

00:05:58.740 being pro-choice to being pro-life um i also think the pro-life view says we don't have to keep pitting

00:06:04.220 the mum against the baby as if it's a battle between them as if the pro-choice is side with the

00:06:08.960 mum and the pro-life is side with the baby i think we have to just say both matter infinitely both are

00:06:13.860 equally valuable we have to do everything we can to promote both and to support both um there's

00:06:19.580 been a lot of like discussion tonight about who's at fault whether it's men who are mainly

00:06:24.220 at fault or women who are mainly at fault for me it almost doesn't matter because i think

00:06:28.240 both lose out when it comes to abortion i think men lose out i think children lose out and i think

00:06:33.620 women lose out more than most and so my my hope is that we can have a world where where all of them

00:06:39.140 flourish and i think we're we're better doing that without abortion um in terms of social media i'm

00:06:44.440 obviously way too old to have anything like instagram or tiktok but i am on twitter if any of you have

00:06:49.180 heard of that um it's on dr callum miller d-r-c-a-l-u-m only one l in callum dr callum

00:06:56.060 miller on twitter my blog is callumsblog.com where it has answers to loads of stuff about abortion with

00:07:01.500 all the scientific references and things as well so please do dr callum why i'm gonna follow you

00:07:05.680 thank you for doctor how do you what was the last part uh on twitter dr callum miller oh miller okay

00:07:12.160 the accent i couldn't understand i was like he's got some good facts

00:07:16.780 oh i found you okay go ahead into your final thoughts sure well i'm just really glad we got

00:07:23.400 to have such a nuanced conversation because i think um everybody here could see that abortion

00:07:27.360 is not an ideal i think that's something that we kind of understood that it's not great it's not a

00:07:31.740 great situation for anyone and so often in the the pro-life pro-choice debate it can be a situation

00:07:37.580 where someone says on one side the woman only matters and the baby doesn't matter at all

00:07:42.420 and that's not quite right i think like most of us agree that they're to some extent uh the pain

00:07:48.560 the the um sentience uh the human nature of the child does matter on the other side some people say

00:07:55.660 the baby only matters and the woman doesn't matter at all we don't care about them and obviously that's 1.00

00:07:59.420 wrong too but i do think we can find a solution where both lives do matter that we do find a

00:08:04.660 solution society where we support both and men have a great opportunity to play a role in that

00:08:08.480 and we should encourage and support all three members of that situation so um yeah that's my my view

00:08:14.340 summarized you can uh find me on twitter at at lois mcclatt um and i tweet a lot about uh abortion

00:08:19.760 and family stuff i'm also married to calum so you'll see a lot of his content come from my feed too

00:08:23.900 and uh yeah look forward to connecting next time yeah thank you guys for coming this was really fun

00:08:29.760 panel um all right guys um thank you for watching make sure you like the video on your way out and

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JustPearlyThings - July 12, 2023

Modern Woman Get ENLIGHTENED On Abortion

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