JustPearlyThings - October 12, 2023


Modern Women Get DIVIDED On What's Acceptable as Beauty Standard in 2023


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In this episode, we talk about beauty standards in Italy and how they are different from those in the UK and America. We also talk about the difference between Italian and British beauty standards, and if modern women care about them.

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00:00:00.000 Today's topic is that modern women don't care about beauty standards. 1.00
00:00:05.080 That's my premise today.
00:00:06.740 So my first question is, what are beauty standards?
00:00:11.960 And then start here, go around, then second row.
00:00:14.000 Go ahead.
00:00:15.160 For me, I think, you know, due to the nature of my job,
00:00:18.760 I do singing, you know, I perform a lot in the public eye.
00:00:22.420 So I think beauty is important in a way that you need to be confident enough
00:00:28.600 for people to, you know, to see your talent eventually.
00:00:32.260 I mean, there are different beauty standards.
00:00:34.460 I'm from Italy, so as you probably can imagine,
00:00:37.600 maybe the beauty standards over there are just a little bit different.
00:00:41.880 Who is someone that is the Italian beauty standard?
00:00:44.360 Is there like a celebrity?
00:00:45.900 Yes, celebrities or, you know, people on TV.
00:00:48.020 No, I was just like someone you could think of.
00:00:51.220 Monica Bellucci.
00:00:52.620 Monica, could we put her on the screen? 0.97
00:00:54.600 I just want to see what she looks like. 0.68
00:00:55.920 Yes, pretty Mediterranean vibe.
00:00:57.600 Monica Bellucci.
00:00:59.080 Yeah, okay.
00:00:59.680 It's an actress.
00:01:00.320 I'm going to look it up here just while he's doing it so I can see.
00:01:03.280 Is she tall, short? 0.99
00:01:04.760 She's tall, brown hair. 0.90
00:01:09.060 You know, the typical Mediterranean type of vibe.
00:01:12.580 Yeah, she's beautiful. 0.87
00:01:13.340 I don't know if you consider that as a beautiful.
00:01:15.100 I think she's beautiful.
00:01:17.000 But I think for, I would lie if I would say like,
00:01:21.840 no, beauty doesn't matter at all.
00:01:23.900 I mean, it's, that's, I think it's a lie to me personally speaking.
00:01:28.580 But at the same time, I wouldn't generalize, you know, for different people, beauty can be different.
00:01:33.380 I, for me, for example, I try and like to look nice without always being so up there,
00:01:39.380 like showing up like your body all the time.
00:01:42.240 So that can be beautiful because you can, you know, let men guess what's behind.
00:01:48.060 Yeah, you're very, I like your outfit a lot.
00:01:49.820 It's very cute.
00:01:50.360 Thank you.
00:01:50.920 I try, you know, I knew that I was coming here.
00:01:53.660 So I was like, I need to be in a decent standout.
00:01:56.700 Do you think that British women, have you been to America too? 1.00
00:02:00.680 I'm just curious.
00:02:01.320 Yes, yes.
00:02:01.920 What would you say, who is more put together usually when they go out?
00:02:05.980 American women, British women or Italian women? 0.59
00:02:09.480 Italian women. 0.92
00:02:10.080 Yeah, I would guess that.
00:02:11.740 Yes, because, you know, we are, this is why, you know, I say from the beginning,
00:02:15.300 I come from a country where like, you know, being nice and looking nice is quite important.
00:02:21.900 But at the same time, I feel like my beauty standards are not necessarily what the modern women,
00:02:28.380 they want to, you know, say like, oh, yes, let's put, you know, boobs out, everything out. 0.78
00:02:32.020 And that's beautiful, sexy and provocative.
00:02:34.120 I kind of like, like to people guess more what's behind, you know, the surface.
00:02:39.640 Would you say in Italy that, like, beauty standards are higher there or lower?
00:02:48.020 I think they're higher in a way.
00:02:50.220 It's more competitive, you'd say?
00:02:51.600 Yes, yes, definitely.
00:02:52.820 Like from TV, you know, anything, you know, you can see if you're not in a certain type of body shape,
00:02:59.160 sometimes can be, I mean, it's changing, it's changing.
00:03:01.760 But I feel like that is still quite predominant that, like.
00:03:05.940 And what would you say about, like, promiscuous clothes?
00:03:10.220 Is that more, I'm just curious because we don't always get people from Italy on the show.
00:03:15.500 So would you say that that's more frowned upon in Italy or is it more open there?
00:03:22.000 It's a warmer.
00:03:22.880 The thing is, you know, with the younger generations, it's really changing because they're quite more into this Western world.
00:03:29.380 You know, they're bombarded with social media and images and everyone is trying to impress everyone.
00:03:33.520 So it's changing a little bit.
00:03:34.720 But I would say, and, you know, people like myself or, you know, other friends or acquaintances, you know,
00:03:41.120 we like to think that there are also part of women that still like to not impress just, you know,
00:03:47.820 by I'm going to be naked tonight and I'm going to show, you know, how sexy I am.
00:03:51.960 There is sexiness isn't being absolutely fully covered, I believe.
00:03:55.220 So, okay, so what do you think?
00:03:59.640 Beauty to me, it's, I feel like it's within, to be honest with you, but I'm also half-Basian.
00:04:05.680 So in the Bayesian community, beauty is being revealing and like, you know, you're, sorry, say that again.
00:04:14.620 Half-Basian, say Barbados.
00:04:15.740 Oh, okay, so we usually are quite, you know, revealing and nails done, hair, makeup, sort of thing.
00:04:25.460 Um, but yeah, as I said, beauty to me is, is within.
00:04:29.520 Okay.
00:04:30.260 Yeah.
00:04:30.760 And you can't tell if one girl is more attractive than the other. 0.99
00:04:33.220 It all looks the same.
00:04:35.020 Um, but then that goes by preference.
00:04:39.020 I can say, well, this person looks really good, and, but then again, this, yeah, it goes by its preference.
00:04:46.020 Like, I might think this person doesn't look so good, um, where to others, someone else, they might look really good.
00:04:54.020 You don't think there's general beauty at all?
00:04:56.740 Like, you think it's different for every person, or do you think that, in general, we can kind of tell who's the most attractive and who's the least attractive?
00:05:04.020 To society, yeah.
00:05:06.020 To society, yeah, but...
00:05:07.020 Who's society?
00:05:09.020 To our society.
00:05:11.020 Yeah, but when you say society, like, who is society?
00:05:14.020 Um, well, people in the UK.
00:05:16.020 Okay, so you would say that people can tell who's more attractive and less attractive?
00:05:21.020 Um...
00:05:22.020 Because, like, that's an...
00:05:23.020 When you say society, it's people, right?
00:05:25.020 Yeah, it's people.
00:05:26.020 It's people in the UK, but I think it's different all over.
00:05:28.020 As I said, like, in Barbados, they would say Rihanna is what you call, um, you know, beauty, um, attraction.
00:05:35.020 She's, you know, she's, she's very pretty. 0.94
00:05:38.020 I mean, I think they'd say that in America, too.
00:05:40.020 We love Rihanna.
00:05:41.020 We love Rihanna.
00:05:42.020 We love Rihanna.
00:05:43.020 She's beautiful everywhere.
00:05:44.020 Come on.
00:05:46.020 Yeah, but, you know, like, over here, I do think...
00:05:49.020 Is she not beautiful somewhere?
00:05:50.020 Sorry.
00:05:51.020 Where is Rihanna not hot? 0.94
00:05:53.020 That's true.
00:05:54.020 You know, like, I feel like there's, like, preferences.
00:05:58.020 Like, some people, like, might think one celebrity's hotter than the other, but they're all hot.
00:06:03.020 Yeah.
00:06:04.020 You know, unless you're blind, you can tell.
00:06:06.020 So that's why I just never understand what people say.
00:06:07.020 I don't think they're all hot.
00:06:08.020 Like, if I look, if I look at Beyoncé, I don't think she's in comparison to, um, you know, to Rihanna.
00:06:14.020 I think Rihanna's more beautiful to me than Beyoncé.
00:06:18.020 I mean, just being honest is my opinion.
00:06:24.020 Depends when.
00:06:26.020 I don't know.
00:06:27.020 Because Beyoncé's a bit older, isn't she? 0.97
00:06:29.020 Yeah, but it doesn't matter about that.
00:06:32.020 I think my preference is Rihanna over Beyoncé.
00:06:36.020 Okay.
00:06:37.020 What do you think?
00:06:38.020 What are beauty standards?
00:06:39.020 Like she said, it's within you.
00:06:41.020 I'm very big on that.
00:06:43.020 I do not get that. Within?
00:06:45.020 Yeah.
00:06:46.020 Like, we're not blind.
00:06:48.020 We're not blind.
00:06:49.020 No, come on. 0.98
00:06:50.020 You could find someone so attractive, but they have the most shittiest personality. 0.53
00:06:54.020 Yeah, but I'm just talking physical. 0.98
00:06:57.020 They're looking like they're ugly after anyway.
00:06:59.020 Even if Beyoncé came in, you might say Rihanna's hotter. 0.73
00:07:02.020 But Beyoncé's still hot. 0.97
00:07:03.020 Nobody can deny that Beyoncé's hot.
00:07:05.020 Yeah.
00:07:06.020 Yeah, she's pretty. 1.00
00:07:07.020 But, like, everyone has their own preferences.
00:07:08.020 So who you might think's good looking, I might think he's...
00:07:12.020 Definitely not.
00:07:13.020 What about men?
00:07:14.020 Do you think men look at women and say the same thing that beauty comes from within?
00:07:19.020 I would like to say so.
00:07:23.020 But I feel like the ones that have been hurt, maybe, they start looking at beauty within,
00:07:28.020 maybe.
00:07:29.020 The ones that have been hurt.
00:07:30.020 You know.
00:07:31.020 That's when you start hearing, what's the saying they say?
00:07:35.020 Beauty beyond the eyes or something like that, they say, right?
00:07:37.020 Mm-hmm.
00:07:38.020 Yeah.
00:07:39.020 Then you start hearing that.
00:07:40.020 But you would say, in general, men do look at beauty?
00:07:43.020 To an extent.
00:07:44.020 I definitely...
00:07:46.020 Sometimes I think men look at anything, but...
00:07:49.020 Oh?
00:07:50.020 You know.
00:07:51.020 Just...
00:07:52.020 What they can have.
00:07:53.020 Okay.
00:07:54.020 So when we talk about beauty standards, it's all about...
00:07:56.020 To you, it's all about what comes from within.
00:07:58.020 Yeah.
00:07:59.020 Nothing physical.
00:08:00.020 My background's Indian.
00:08:01.020 So like she picked up, she's Asian.
00:08:03.020 I'm Indian.
00:08:04.020 Mm-hmm.
00:08:05.020 And we pretty much cover ourselves.
00:08:07.020 Mm-hmm.
00:08:08.020 Back home.
00:08:09.020 What does that have to do with the beauty standards? 0.81
00:08:11.020 So that comes within.
00:08:12.020 Because we're not here...
00:08:13.020 We're quite covered up, to be fair.
00:08:15.020 So we look at beauty like they very...
00:08:17.020 Well, I'm from a village, so...
00:08:19.020 Oh, in India? 0.99
00:08:20.020 Yeah.
00:08:21.020 So they don't wear makeup.
00:08:22.020 They just literally...
00:08:23.020 My mom's always said this to me.
00:08:25.020 What part of India are you from?
00:08:26.020 Punjab.
00:08:27.020 Where is that?
00:08:28.020 That's like in a border right next to Pakistan.
00:08:30.020 Oh, okay.
00:08:31.020 So it's closer to Pakistan side.
00:08:32.020 Oh, okay.
00:08:33.020 So I'm just...
00:08:34.020 I would say South India.
00:08:35.020 Okay.
00:08:36.020 Because I went to Abu Dhabi.
00:08:37.020 Or not...
00:08:38.020 Sorry, not Abu Dhabi.
00:08:39.020 That's the right.
00:08:40.020 Sorry, sorry.
00:08:41.020 Hyderabad.
00:08:42.020 Hyderabad.
00:08:43.020 Where is that?
00:08:44.020 It's in India.
00:08:45.020 Yeah, India's really big.
00:08:46.020 Yeah, I think it's South, I think.
00:08:47.020 I don't know.
00:08:48.020 It was a long time ago.
00:08:49.020 I barely can remember the name, obviously.
00:08:51.020 So it's a bit different, because we're from a village, and we just like...
00:08:56.020 Women always do their hair, but they're very rarely wear makeup. 1.00
00:08:59.020 They're very rarely wear...
00:09:01.020 Yeah, anything really.
00:09:02.020 They just put their clothes on to have their hair done.
00:09:04.020 So that's where my grandparents are from.
00:09:07.020 Okay.
00:09:08.020 So when I look at that, and I'm like, beauty is from within.
00:09:10.020 Mm-hmm.
00:09:11.020 So that's what I mean when I say that.
00:09:13.020 Okay.
00:09:14.020 What do you think?
00:09:15.020 Beauty standards?
00:09:16.020 Um, I mean, I kind of have to disagree with the ladies to my left, because I feel like
00:09:21.020 it's evident.
00:09:22.020 Um, I feel like everybody knows who, like, a beautiful person is.
00:09:26.020 I feel like if a woman walks in the room, you'll know that a woman will be classified 1.00
00:09:30.020 as beautiful if she has her nails done, her hair's done, her eyelashes, her eyebrows,
00:09:34.020 everything is straight, everything is put together.
00:09:36.020 Um, I feel like if another woman was to walk in and she doesn't have that, I won't... 0.98
00:09:39.020 I don't feel like people won't say she's beautiful.
00:09:41.020 I just feel like people will be more attracted and will look, um, to the woman who has
00:09:46.020 everything done first initially.
00:09:48.020 Do you get what I mean?
00:09:49.020 So I feel like, um, and to ask your question about men, I feel like men, that's the first 0.94
00:09:53.020 thing they look at beauty before they look at anything else.
00:09:56.020 Um, and yeah, I definitely feel like there is a high beauty standard in the UK.
00:10:01.020 Um, yeah, that's my opinion.
00:10:03.020 Okay.
00:10:04.020 What do you think?
00:10:05.020 What are beauty standards?
00:10:06.020 For me, I, okay, I am going to say that that's come from within.
00:10:10.020 However, I'd be lying if I would say that you don't look at beauty.
00:10:14.020 Like you can tell in the UK, but like, who is attractive and who isn't.
00:10:19.020 You just know that.
00:10:20.020 So to say that it comes from within, I think, yes, that's the general statement for anyone
00:10:25.020 to make, because nobody wants to sound like, oh, they're being shallow.
00:10:29.020 But realistically speaking, the majority of society are shallow.
00:10:33.020 You do look at people and what they look like.
00:10:36.020 Yeah.
00:10:37.020 Okay.
00:10:38.020 You would say it's based on looks.
00:10:39.020 Yeah, it is.
00:10:40.020 What, what metrics would you use to measure someone's beauty?
00:10:43.020 Um, for me personally, um, is it men or women?
00:10:49.020 Oh, women. 1.00
00:10:50.020 Women. 0.81
00:10:51.020 Um, it would, for me, I look at a woman's, if I can strip back everything in terms of like 1.00
00:10:56.020 the makeup, the hair, the nails, and to me, I can see her as beautiful, then she's beautiful.
00:11:02.020 But that's just me again, my preference.
00:11:05.020 Okay.
00:11:06.020 Uh, what do you think, Troy?
00:11:07.020 What are beauty standards?
00:11:08.020 I mean, look, I think it's entirely physical, to be honest.
00:11:12.020 I don't want to sound cynical here, but I think that's what people look at.
00:11:15.020 I think it's nice to say it's from within and there's, yeah, sure.
00:11:18.020 I mean, there's some truth in that, but I think let's, let's, let's be, let's be real.
00:11:22.020 The dating marketplace, it's a kind of a jungle out there, right?
00:11:25.020 What are people looking at?
00:11:26.020 They're looking at the aesthetics, right?
00:11:27.020 They're looking at the surface.
00:11:28.020 Now that's not to say that you meet somebody and maybe they have a really obnoxious personality
00:11:34.020 and you think actually I'm put off from that, or they've got something about them that's really great
00:11:38.020 and you guys click and that adds something to it.
00:11:40.020 A hundred percent.
00:11:41.020 That's, that's definitely true.
00:11:42.020 But let's, let's be honest, right?
00:11:43.020 It's a surface level thing.
00:11:44.020 There are, there are aesthetic standards and that's what people mean when they're talking about beauty.
00:11:49.020 I don't think the standards are particularly high in the UK, but that's just,
00:11:54.020 that's just me though guys, sorry.
00:11:57.020 For men as well, for men as well, for men as well.
00:12:04.020 For men as well.
00:12:05.020 Yeah, if you go to Miami, you get humbled real quick.
00:12:08.020 Well, Miami, but also like Latin America, I mean Eastern Europe, all those places.
00:12:13.020 Oh yeah.
00:12:14.020 Yeah.
00:12:15.020 I went to a wedding in Germany.
00:12:16.020 It was like, all the girls were like literally stunning.
00:12:19.020 Yeah.
00:12:20.020 Okay.
00:12:21.020 What do you think?
00:12:22.020 Yeah, I do agree.
00:12:23.020 I feel like it is based on how a woman looks. 1.00
00:12:26.020 I feel like, as she mentioned, if a woman's got her nails done, hair done, you've got yourself together.
00:12:32.020 Men do like that. 0.98
00:12:33.020 It is, you know, quite obvious as well.
00:12:35.020 A man, especially a regular man in the UK, I don't feel like they would go for just a basic looking woman. 0.94
00:12:41.020 Yeah, they would go for a woman who's, you know, got themselves put together, got their nails done, they look good. 1.00
00:12:47.020 And yeah, I don't really agree when they said that it's within.
00:12:52.020 It's just my opinion anyways.
00:12:53.020 I feel like if someone looks good, then that's what attracts men as well.
00:12:58.020 Okay.
00:12:59.020 Yeah.
00:13:00.020 What do you think?
00:13:01.020 I agree to an extent.
00:13:02.020 With who?
00:13:03.020 With these.
00:13:08.020 I definitely feel as though beauty is an attraction.
00:13:11.020 I feel like if someone's attracted to you, they're going to think you're beautiful regardless.
00:13:15.020 However, I do not agree that just because you're well done up, that then implicates that you're beautiful.
00:13:24.020 You know, I don't have no makeup on now.
00:13:26.020 I'm very much beautiful.
00:13:28.020 I don't need makeup to define my beauty.
00:13:31.020 I think, yeah, I don't need makeup to define my beauty.
00:13:35.020 However, you know, I do definitely feel like you have to be attracted to someone in order for you to think that they are beautiful.
00:13:44.020 Do you guys think that beauty standards are higher, were higher a hundred years ago or today?
00:13:51.020 Today.
00:13:52.020 Definitely today.
00:13:53.020 Today.
00:13:54.020 Is there anyone that thinks they were higher a hundred years ago?
00:13:56.020 Anyone?
00:13:57.020 No, because if you look back at old black and white photographs from the Victorian era, and then you look at, you just do a scroll for Instagram now.
00:14:02.020 I mean, I mean like it's night and day in terms of, in terms of hotness.
00:14:05.020 And I think that's down to a number of things.
00:14:06.020 It's like to do with nutrition, it's to do with fitness, it's to do with the fact that we're all encouraged to work out now.
00:14:11.020 Makeup, you know, clothing, there's so many different things, bits of surgery and procedures and stuff.
00:14:18.020 I mean, there's so many different things that come into it.
00:14:20.020 So I think, yeah, definitely overall, you know, people are more aesthetically pleasing now.
00:14:25.020 It was probably only the rich people that were super hot back in the...
00:14:28.020 That's what I was going to say.
00:14:29.020 I was going to say, I feel like things are more accessible now.
00:14:32.020 Yeah.
00:14:33.020 Makeup, like it's, you know, less, I don't know about pricing, but I feel like surgery is more accessible to people and stuff like that.
00:14:39.020 Yeah.
00:14:40.020 And I feel like that's probably why the standards are a little bit higher.
00:14:43.020 Yeah.
00:14:44.020 Do women respond when beauty standards go higher? 1.00
00:14:47.020 Do you think that women, do you feel like we step up to the plate? 1.00
00:14:50.020 Yeah.
00:14:51.020 Yeah.
00:14:52.020 How, how do we respond typically?
00:14:55.020 We follow the trend. 0.76
00:14:56.020 Yeah.
00:14:59.020 We follow the trend. 0.76
00:15:00.020 What trends?
00:15:01.020 So like the BBL trend that's happening at the moment.
00:15:04.020 I feel like it's going down now, but yeah, I guess we just follow the trend.
00:15:07.020 Like what else is it like?
00:15:09.020 Makeup.
00:15:10.020 Yeah.
00:15:11.020 Makeup.
00:15:12.020 Yeah.
00:15:13.020 Lip filler.
00:15:14.020 Yeah.
00:15:15.020 I disagree a little bit because I don't follow like all the latest trends all the time.
00:15:20.020 It's overwhelming to me.
00:15:21.020 So I try to do what is best for me.
00:15:24.020 And obviously we live in this society where social media is like is everything.
00:15:29.020 So everyone is bombarded with all these images, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to follow any single trend is up there because it's overwhelming to me.
00:15:37.020 So does beauty standards include weight? 0.63
00:15:40.020 Yes.
00:15:41.020 To an extent, I think.
00:15:42.020 Yeah.
00:15:43.020 Yeah.
00:15:44.020 I don't think it doesn't.
00:15:45.020 Yeah.
00:15:46.020 I don't think so anymore.
00:15:47.020 I don't, I don't think so anymore.
00:15:48.020 I feel like, um, I feel like all shapes and sizes right now, I might be wrong, are accepted.
00:15:54.020 So, um, I just feel like for me personally, it's based on how well, how well you keep yourself and how put together you look, not about your size.
00:16:02.020 That's just me personally.
00:16:03.020 Do you think men think the same thing?
00:16:05.020 Yeah.
00:16:06.020 I actually think so.
00:16:07.020 I actually do.
00:16:08.020 I think it depends.
00:16:09.020 Yeah.
00:16:10.020 I think it depends.
00:16:11.020 Yeah.
00:16:12.020 It depends.
00:16:13.020 Yeah.
00:16:14.020 No, but in general.
00:16:15.020 So we could talk about in general.
00:16:16.020 Would you say men care or they don't care about weight? 0.93
00:16:18.020 I think they do care.
00:16:19.020 Hence why girls are out here doing BBLs. 1.00
00:16:21.020 I think it depends on preference.
00:16:24.020 Is BBL the bum thing?
00:16:25.020 Yeah.
00:16:26.020 Yeah.
00:16:27.020 Yeah.
00:16:28.020 Yeah.
00:16:29.020 Yeah.
00:16:30.020 Yeah.
00:16:31.020 Do you think women are more put together today than a hundred years ago? 0.99
00:16:34.020 Definitely.
00:16:35.020 Definitely.
00:16:36.020 Yeah.
00:16:37.020 Yeah.
00:16:38.020 I don't know.
00:16:39.020 You look at some old, some of these old pictures though, seriously.
00:16:42.020 Like these dusty old like photographs sometimes you see, I mean, they're not looking good.
00:16:46.020 You know, the ladies weren't representing back then. 1.00
00:16:49.020 Do you know what I mean?
00:16:50.020 But then back then it might have been a thing.
00:16:51.020 That's how they were meant to look.
00:16:52.020 Yeah.
00:16:53.020 It's true.
00:16:54.020 It's true.
00:16:55.020 Yeah.
00:16:56.020 Those days were like, oh yeah, they're beautiful.
00:16:57.020 Yeah.
00:16:58.020 Yeah.
00:16:59.020 That's true.
00:17:00.020 We look at them now, but back then.
00:17:01.020 Yeah.
00:17:02.020 She was hot. 1.00
00:17:03.020 Yeah.
00:17:04.020 It was more natural though back in the days.
00:17:06.020 It was like, you know, beauty is like today's like, oh, you need to be the perfect, the perfect
00:17:10.020 maker.
00:17:11.020 And I don't think they cared much as well.
00:17:12.020 But don't you think that one thing I've observed like here and also in the States a
00:17:15.020 little bit as well, is that a lot of, there seems to be this fashion now for women wearing
00:17:19.020 quite baggy clothes.
00:17:20.020 Have you noticed like if you go to a shopping mall or something like that during the daytime, a
00:17:24.020 lot of women are wearing like quite baggy jeans, quite baggy and maybe less makeup and stuff, which 1.00
00:17:28.020 sort of goes counter to that Instagram thing in a way, doesn't it?
00:17:32.020 Because I think just looking around the streets, I think a lot of women are dressing up sort 1.00
00:17:35.020 of a bit less, certainly during the daytime here.
00:17:38.020 But then if you go to say Poland or if you go to Ukraine or something prior to the, you know,
00:17:44.020 the war, you would see a very different sort of story.
00:17:47.020 So I think in the West, it feels like, I don't want to say standards are falling, but it seems
00:17:52.020 like a more casualness is sort of accepted for women.
00:17:55.020 Because I see more yoga pants and sweat.
00:17:57.020 I would say I see more yoga pants and sweats than I did like 10 years ago, let's say, when
00:18:02.020 I was 26, when I was 16.
00:18:04.020 You know, it was like, I don't know, because you guys are different about yoga pants a little
00:18:08.020 bit, but in the US they're like super common.
00:18:10.020 But I remember it was like a fight on Facebook about if yoga pants were acceptable in public.
00:18:16.020 I don't know if you guys have that here, if that was just an American fight.
00:18:21.020 I was in LA recently and I saw there was a lot of yoga pants going on down in sort
00:18:25.020 of Venice and Venice Beach and like places like that.
00:18:29.020 Yeah.
00:18:30.020 So my question is, if beauty standards are higher and women respond to beauty standards, 0.94
00:18:34.020 why are women more overweight today and we dress up less? 1.00
00:18:37.020 Is that stats that you have by any chance?
00:18:41.020 Yeah.
00:18:42.020 In the 19, I mean, there's no stat on dressing up.
00:18:46.020 That's just anecdotal.
00:18:47.020 But when it comes to weight, only 10% of women were overweight in the 40s. 0.93
00:18:51.020 Where 60% of women in the UK are overweight.
00:18:53.020 70% in America.
00:18:55.020 You got to remember back in the olden days, they had this thing where they used to wear corsets
00:18:59.020 in order to line their bodies.
00:19:01.020 So they had this, that was their trend.
00:19:04.020 You know, that isn't the trend here.
00:19:06.020 So you got to understand that as times, as society changes, so does the trends, I guess.
00:19:11.020 No.
00:19:12.020 Yeah.
00:19:13.020 But my question is more like if women respond to beauty standards and women actually cared 0.95
00:19:16.020 about beauty standards, like why are we more overweight and we dress up less?
00:19:19.020 Because of the food that we eat.
00:19:21.020 Right.
00:19:22.020 But that kind of indicates that we don't care as much as we say we do.
00:19:25.020 Like, cause we're, we're supposed to be under this immense pressure, right?
00:19:28.020 From society.
00:19:29.020 But it doesn't seem like our looks are getting better as a whole.
00:19:32.020 I think again, if you compare other societies, cause like before the, you know, the current...
00:19:36.020 In the West.
00:19:37.020 Sorry.
00:19:38.020 In the West.
00:19:39.020 But just as, just as a counterpoint though.
00:19:40.020 So when like in 2021, I was in, spent quite a lot of time in, in Russia and then, and then
00:19:45.020 also in Ukraine prior to what's happening now.
00:19:47.020 And, um, it is a very different story though.
00:19:49.020 You do get a lot of women who are very elegant. 1.00
00:19:51.020 They're still wearing, you know, maybe peels slightly less during the daytime, but you know
00:19:56.020 what I mean?
00:19:57.020 Very, very elegant.
00:19:58.020 Wearing dresses all the time.
00:19:59.020 Very, very feminine. 0.98
00:20:00.020 In a way that you don't see so much here.
00:20:03.020 And I think that's got something to do with feminism, to be honest. 1.00
00:20:08.020 Or at least the, the tide of, cause society is telling women you, you don't have to make, 1.00
00:20:13.020 why you don't have to make an effort for, it sounds very crude, but you don't have to
00:20:17.020 make an effort for men, right?
00:20:18.020 Because why should you, right?
00:20:19.020 Because you are, you're enough in yourself.
00:20:21.020 Okay.
00:20:22.020 Um, and, and I think that's got something to do with it to be, to be honest.
00:20:25.020 You know, I don't think society is, and I'm not saying society should be compelling women 1.00
00:20:29.020 to do that.
00:20:30.020 But I don't think it is.
00:20:31.020 Whereas I think in some of those other countries that are arguably a little bit more patriarchal,
00:20:36.020 let's say, um, there is still that pressure.
00:20:39.020 And so women are dressing up more. 1.00
00:20:40.020 And also they have to compete with one another because otherwise, if you're the, the girl 1.00
00:20:44.020 who's, you know, just, just not, not bothering and everyone else is, then you're going to
00:20:47.020 kind of get left to the side, aren't you?
00:20:49.020 So yeah, I think it just actually, you know, you raised a very good point because feminism, 1.00
00:20:53.020 you know, with feminism, women's like, Oh, I can do whatever I want, when I want, how I want. 1.00
00:20:58.020 So like, you know, I can underdress myself.
00:21:01.020 No one should judge me for that.
00:21:03.020 And I think that it's a little bit too much.
00:21:05.020 But it's interesting because feminists complain the most about beauty standards, 1.00
00:21:08.020 but it just seems like they care the least about them.
00:21:11.020 Well, wouldn't their view just be like, well, I don't have to bother
00:21:15.020 because why would I let a man dictate how I look?
00:21:18.020 Yeah.
00:21:19.020 But that's not.
00:21:20.020 Yeah.
00:21:21.020 They'll say, they'll say, Oh, women have such high beauty standards. 1.00
00:21:24.020 It's so hard for women because of the beauty standards, Instagram. 1.00
00:21:27.020 And you know what?
00:21:28.020 I can sympathize.
00:21:29.020 It's like, if we really cared, wouldn't we be more put together and way less?
00:21:33.020 I agree with this point.
00:21:36.020 I think it's because there's a lot of activists now and feminism, and they're trying to prove that.
00:21:41.020 They feel like all women do what they do for men. 0.81
00:21:45.020 Some people do things for themselves.
00:21:47.020 Themselves.
00:21:48.020 Yeah.
00:21:49.020 But because there's that lining of doing things for men, a lot of feminisms now are like, 1.00
00:21:54.020 they don't want to do it just because they feel like it's doing it for a man.
00:21:59.020 Is it even such a bad thing even if they were doing it for men though?
00:22:02.020 Because you get guys who work out because they want to look ripped for women. 0.70
00:22:07.020 Yeah, absolutely.
00:22:08.020 Yeah, it wouldn't be that terrible, to be honest.
00:22:11.020 Yeah.
00:22:12.020 It's like, everyone wants to be liked in a way.
00:22:14.020 Yeah.
00:22:15.020 It's like, if you know, if you like someone and you want to, you know, wear something and you think he's just like.
00:22:19.020 Yeah.
00:22:20.020 Yeah.
00:22:21.020 No, no, I'm wearing this.
00:22:22.020 Just, you know, you want to feel good, but you also, you know, want to be nice for other people.
00:22:26.020 Yeah.
00:22:27.020 Who's beauty standards are higher, men or women? 0.91
00:22:32.020 I think it depends.
00:22:37.020 Okay.
00:22:38.020 I want to make a rule.
00:22:40.020 No, it depends.
00:22:42.020 You have to pick one.
00:22:44.020 Pick one.
00:22:45.020 Pick one and tell me why.
00:22:48.020 I think maybe men.
00:22:51.020 Have higher beauty standards?
00:22:53.020 I think.
00:22:54.020 Okay.
00:22:55.020 They see a lot of women and they now begin to compare, make comparisons between different types of women.
00:23:00.020 And it's like when they see a particular woman, look in a particular way, is they would compare another woman to the woman that they've seen.
00:23:08.020 But you think that men have higher standards for women, not that the men have the higher standards they have to live up to, just to clarify.
00:23:14.020 I think men have higher standards for women. 0.63
00:23:16.020 For women.
00:23:17.020 So like the women have higher beauty standards to me. 1.00
00:23:19.020 Yes.
00:23:20.020 And that's what's making women feel like they need to comply with these standards. 1.00
00:23:25.020 Who's pickier, men or women?
00:23:28.020 Men.
00:23:29.020 Definitely.
00:23:30.020 Yeah.
00:23:31.020 Yeah.
00:23:32.020 What percent of the time do you think men swipe right on dating apps? 1.00
00:23:35.020 What, sorry?
00:23:37.020 What percent?
00:23:38.020 Yeah.
00:23:39.020 What percent of the time?
00:23:40.020 Probably 70%.
00:23:41.020 What percent of the time do you think women swipe right on dating apps? 1.00
00:23:46.020 I think about the same.
00:23:47.020 Do you know what?
00:23:48.020 70%?
00:23:49.020 I think women are more complacent than men. 1.00
00:23:52.020 Or more complacent?
00:23:54.020 Yeah.
00:23:55.020 I think they accept more than men.
00:23:56.020 Do you think men are very like, if they've got a certain standard, they're more rigid than women. 1.00
00:24:01.020 Do you think men are pickier than women? 0.99
00:24:02.020 100%.
00:24:03.020 Definitely.
00:24:04.020 Yeah.
00:24:05.020 Okay.
00:24:06.020 What percent of the time do you think men swipe right on dating apps? 1.00
00:24:08.020 70.
00:24:09.020 Or even 80.
00:24:10.020 I think it's a high percentage.
00:24:11.020 70.
00:24:12.020 It's really high.
00:24:13.020 I think it's a low percentage.
00:24:15.020 So men swipe right 60 to 70% of the time, where women, what percent of the time do you think 0.68
00:24:21.020 they swipe right?
00:24:22.020 Oh wait, no, sorry.
00:24:23.020 I think it's 45%.
00:24:24.020 I'm sorry, I misspoke.
00:24:25.020 It's about 45 to 50, not 60.
00:24:26.020 For men.
00:24:27.020 Yeah, for men.
00:24:28.020 What percent of the time do you think women swipe right? 1.00
00:24:30.020 Probably like 20.
00:24:31.020 Much less.
00:24:32.020 Yeah.
00:24:33.020 I would say like 10%.
00:24:34.020 70 to 80?
00:24:35.020 Maybe 30?
00:24:36.020 I don't know.
00:24:37.020 I would say 70 to 80.
00:24:38.020 Do you know this?
00:24:39.020 You have to know this stat.
00:24:40.020 Well, it is around that, isn't it?
00:24:42.020 Is it about 20%?
00:24:43.020 Five percent.
00:24:44.020 Five percent?
00:24:45.020 Yeah.
00:24:46.020 I was actually, I thought the male one was actually going to be a bit higher, to be honest,
00:24:50.020 because a lot of guys, well not a lot of guys, but guys sometimes have this strategy
00:24:54.020 before the algorithm started clamping down, that they would just swipe on everything and
00:24:58.020 then see what came through, you know?
00:24:59.020 It depends what study you look at.
00:25:01.020 Yeah.
00:25:02.020 But how could you say that men are pickier if women only swipe right 5% of the time? 0.76
00:25:06.020 Do you know why?
00:25:07.020 Because they're talking about the top 1% men, aren't they?
00:25:10.020 Yeah.
00:25:11.020 Those top 1% men, those chads, they're really picky, but that's all they're bothered about.
00:25:14.020 They're not bothered about the other guys who aren't getting a look at anyway.
00:25:17.020 Yeah.
00:25:18.020 The top 5% of men tend, what, what percent of men do you guys think are sexually active?
00:25:22.020 100%.
00:25:23.020 Not with themselves.
00:25:26.020 I feel like it's not that much of a high percentage.
00:25:31.020 I feel like it's lower than women's, isn't it? 1.00
00:25:33.020 Yeah.
00:25:34.020 I don't know the percentage though, but I feel like it's lower than women's.
00:25:36.020 Yeah.
00:25:37.020 What percent of men do you think are sexually active?
00:25:39.020 70.
00:25:40.020 70%?
00:25:41.020 40%.
00:25:42.020 40%.
00:25:43.020 I'd say about 60.
00:25:44.020 I would want to say 102.
00:25:46.020 Well, I'm going to say 60.
00:25:48.020 60, yeah.
00:25:49.020 Me too.
00:25:50.020 60.
00:25:51.020 Troy, do you know this stat?
00:25:52.020 How many men are sexually active?
00:25:54.020 God, I'm being very bad manners for your person, aren't I?
00:25:57.020 It's low.
00:25:58.020 It's low though.
00:25:59.020 I'm curious what, can you tell them a little bit about your experience like coaching men
00:26:03.020 in dating?
00:26:04.020 Yeah.
00:26:05.020 I mean, so I coach guys.
00:26:07.020 I mean, I create content, I write, but I coach guys to get traction in terms of dating
00:26:13.020 and the dating marketplace is very tough out there now for everybody.
00:26:16.020 But, but you know, a lot of guys, they just really don't get a look at, you know?
00:26:20.020 And I think there is this misconception.
00:26:22.020 A lot of women think, oh, men are just, uh, you know, that it comes as easily to men as
00:26:28.020 it does to women. 1.00
00:26:29.020 And it really doesn't, you know, because a woman basically, unless- 1.00
00:26:32.020 As many of you know, I was just banned on TikTok and we are demonetized on a daily basis on
00:26:39.020 this platform.
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