JustPearlyThings - August 09, 2023


Modern Women Should Be Punished For This


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9 minutes

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2,185

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213

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In this episode, we discuss the controversial topic of abortion. Do men have a say in the matter? Should women have the right to choose when it comes to having a baby? Is it possible for a woman to have an abortion if she wants to keep her baby? Should she be allowed to keep it if she doesn't want to have it? Should a man have the say in this matter?

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00:00:00.000 I also think, like, you know, you said about, like,
00:00:02.820 backstreet abortions and illegal abortions or whatever. 0.99
00:00:06.180 I, sure, naturally, that might happen.
00:00:10.840 But I also think it's possible that if women don't have the option 0.98
00:00:13.620 for abortion, that they might be more careful.
00:00:16.260 Because can you imagine, like, if we were living, like,
00:00:19.660 how we all are today, and, like, let's say, like,
00:00:23.060 you go out clubbing, you find someone,
00:00:24.220 you have a one-night stand or whatever.
00:00:26.440 Like, I don't know.
00:00:27.660 Maybe it's contraception because I can't get an abortion. 0.83
00:00:29.700 Like, oh, my God, like, if I had to go in for an abortion, 0.85
00:00:33.140 like, I just think the fear of that, like, I think over the last three years,
00:00:36.840 I've certainly gathered that fear controls people
00:00:39.560 and fear, like, instills certain behaviours in people.
00:00:42.260 And I think by not having the option for abortion,
00:00:45.880 generally speaking, say, 99% of the time,
00:00:49.060 I think women would just sort of wise up. 1.00
00:00:51.820 We're not silly.
00:00:52.420 If you know that it's going to be difficult to do something,
00:00:54.800 you'd avoid doing anything that would lead to that being the consequence.
00:00:58.140 That's just what I think.
00:00:59.700 It's actually true.
00:01:01.360 I don't agree with abortion.
00:01:02.600 I just believe that people should have a choice.
00:01:04.760 That's my main feeling.
00:01:05.460 Like me, I don't agree with it
00:01:06.680 because I don't think it should take my life.
00:01:08.540 That personally, I don't agree with it.
00:01:09.440 However, I do believe that we should have a say.
00:01:11.980 Do you think that women should be limited
00:01:13.620 on how many abortions they can have? 0.95
00:01:15.360 Oh, yes.
00:01:16.000 Oh, definitely.
00:01:16.540 Yes, definitely.
00:01:17.140 Definitely.
00:01:17.460 Because after that first time,
00:01:18.560 you shouldn't even be wanting to make stupid mistakes like that again.
00:01:21.260 It should be a lesson.
00:01:21.960 Do you think men should have a say in abortion? 0.77
00:01:23.860 Yeah.
00:01:24.600 So do you think if I got pregnant and I wanted to abort it
00:01:28.180 and a guy wanted me to keep it, should he have a say?
00:01:30.340 Yeah.
00:01:30.720 He has a say, but you have to come to a...
00:01:33.180 Like a legal say.
00:01:34.360 Like both parents need to sign off on the abortion. 0.97
00:01:37.720 Yeah.
00:01:37.900 That would be very practical.
00:01:39.080 I think that is correct.
00:01:40.640 Yeah, because she could have the baby 0.85
00:01:42.160 and then she might not want it.
00:01:44.700 Say, for example,
00:01:45.560 I understand there's a burden in carrying a child,
00:01:47.420 but we have to be responsible in a sense.
00:01:49.800 Mutual agreement.
00:01:50.680 Then, yeah, I get that.
00:01:51.960 I think...
00:01:52.300 That would be hard.
00:01:53.040 Because it would be easy to just say,
00:01:54.140 I don't know who the father is.
00:01:56.280 I feel like a lot of people would do that.
00:01:57.800 Yeah, I feel like a lot of people would probably say
00:01:59.680 they don't know who the father is.
00:02:00.760 Yeah, but there's ways to find out if they are the father.
00:02:03.060 So if a man wants the child, 0.91
00:02:04.520 then I think that's really unfair to take that away from him.
00:02:06.940 Yeah, it really is, definitely.
00:02:07.880 Because when you become a mum,
00:02:09.100 like you're so happy you've got a baby,
00:02:10.700 like for someone to steal that away from me
00:02:12.760 or like change their mind three months in
00:02:15.500 then you're so happy to take that away
00:02:17.620 and you've got no say in it.
00:02:18.840 That's heartbreaking, of course.
00:02:20.760 But also, I feel like maybe these women would... 1.00
00:02:24.340 I mean, would they be changing their minds
00:02:26.700 because of something very serious?
00:02:29.700 Or is it just like,
00:02:30.660 oh, I don't want to be in mum?
00:02:31.640 I understand I've said that women have the right to do that, 0.99
00:02:33.020 but I just think at a certain point of the pregnancy,
00:02:35.720 you can't be chopping and changing.
00:02:37.800 Because from when you tell a man you're pregnant, 0.96
00:02:40.020 like he's in his element,
00:02:41.120 so to take that away from him,
00:02:42.700 you're still in his dream.
00:02:43.580 Because a lot of us dream of having a family,
00:02:46.080 so I just think you can't chop and change there.
00:02:48.440 It's 50% his DNA.
00:02:50.040 Why doesn't he get 50% of the choice?
00:02:51.780 I believe he should have 50% of the choice.
00:02:53.880 But then what would happen if they don't agree?
00:02:55.800 How would they?
00:02:56.320 They would have to go to court.
00:02:58.140 No, they have to agree in order for it to happen.
00:03:00.420 Yeah, so what if one is continuing to say nope
00:03:02.000 and the other saying yes?
00:03:02.900 Then it won't happen.
00:03:04.140 Then it wouldn't happen.
00:03:06.140 Yeah.
00:03:07.280 That's why I was saying they both have to sign off
00:03:09.200 in order for it to be an abortion. 1.00
00:03:10.520 Do you guys think that women should serve jail time 0.99
00:03:14.160 if they allow a man to raise a kid that's not his? 0.84
00:03:17.520 Yes, 100%.
00:03:18.200 I think that's evil.
00:03:19.040 That is so evil.
00:03:20.120 I think it's so evil.
00:03:20.660 In Jamaica we call that jacket.
00:03:22.800 Basically you give someone a jacket.
00:03:24.440 Yeah, that's evil.
00:03:24.900 That is really, really evil.
00:03:27.260 It's horrible.
00:03:28.660 I definitely think that's a crime.
00:03:30.380 Definitely.
00:03:31.040 Because a man,
00:03:31.760 imagine you're raising that child,
00:03:32.880 you create a bond,
00:03:33.640 you love them,
00:03:34.600 you give them your all,
00:03:35.840 financially, spiritually, everything.
00:03:37.320 And then to find out when they're 25.
00:03:39.080 That should be like a live sentence.
00:03:40.980 Like a man's raising the kid for 15 years 1.00
00:03:43.060 and then you find out it's not yours.
00:03:44.400 That's horrible.
00:03:44.960 There should definitely be punishment for that.
00:03:46.700 That is horrible.
00:03:48.440 But then on the flip side,
00:03:49.840 we're living in a time where guys can get DNA tests.
00:03:53.180 Yeah, but if you've told someone it's their child,
00:03:55.700 why are they going to get DNA tests?
00:03:56.600 It's illegal in France to DNA test.
00:03:59.040 Really?
00:03:59.700 Oh, wow.
00:04:00.740 I think it's either they both have to sign off on it.
00:04:04.480 So if the woman doesn't want him to, 0.57
00:04:06.400 she can just... 0.71
00:04:07.340 No way, that's insane.
00:04:08.380 But that kind of shows already.
00:04:10.460 If the woman's saying,
00:04:11.280 no, you're not,
00:04:11.960 no, you're not going to get DNA tests.
00:04:13.620 But then some women do say no 1.00
00:04:15.320 and they know that the child is the man's.
00:04:18.820 I think there should be mandatory paternity tests. 0.98
00:04:20.740 I feel like it should be
00:04:21.880 because then it will get over the emotional thing of,
00:04:24.260 oh, because you're my partner,
00:04:25.720 because if it's happening to everyone,
00:04:27.160 it's fine.
00:04:28.020 But I definitely think that they should serve jail time.
00:04:30.420 Long sentence.
00:04:31.300 Everyone should get a DNA test. 1.00
00:04:32.520 Are DNA tests expensive?
00:04:33.520 Yeah, they're about 90.
00:04:34.940 Did you say they should be mandatory?
00:04:36.940 No, I don't think that should be mandatory
00:04:38.620 to check that the child's demands.
00:04:41.740 No, I think it should.
00:04:43.120 I think it should be.
00:04:43.880 You think it should?
00:04:45.300 Yeah, I think there's so many men
00:04:46.660 that are afraid to do it.
00:04:48.240 One, because they don't want her to freak out.
00:04:50.220 And I think there's a lot of guys
00:04:51.860 that get trapped in paternity fraud.
00:04:53.540 It's a really common thing,
00:04:54.660 especially like in the US.
00:04:56.260 Yeah.
00:04:56.640 I just think from a government perspective,
00:04:58.340 it would avoid a lot of issues.
00:04:59.940 No, I don't think that's right at all.
00:05:01.520 And to avoid having to have the conversation
00:05:03.540 because it's a protocol for everyone.
00:05:05.200 Do you know what I mean?
00:05:05.660 DNA tests.
00:05:06.180 I wouldn't do that.
00:05:06.560 And I would never cheat on my partner.
00:05:08.540 But that's you.
00:05:09.600 I understand.
00:05:09.980 Somebody else.
00:05:10.560 Do you know somebody else might want to rule that out?
00:05:12.720 I just don't think it's fair
00:05:13.360 to do that to somebody.
00:05:15.080 But why would you care if the kid's his?
00:05:17.480 Yeah.
00:05:17.920 I just don't think it's fair.
00:05:19.540 Why wouldn't have a DNA test?
00:05:21.300 I don't need to.
00:05:22.120 I know that's my man's child.
00:05:23.340 I'm speaking from me.
00:05:24.140 I suppose from a selfish perspective.
00:05:26.420 But I just don't think that would be fair.
00:05:28.480 If you know.
00:05:28.940 But I get what you're saying.
00:05:29.900 There's something a bit weird about it.
00:05:31.480 It's not right.
00:05:32.060 It doesn't feel right.
00:05:33.460 It's a real problem in society
00:05:35.160 if you have to put that in place.
00:05:36.600 Yeah.
00:05:37.180 And then you're saying it's a problem.
00:05:38.800 That's scary.
00:05:39.980 That is really scary.
00:05:41.340 This is where we are now.
00:05:42.460 When you think about it,
00:05:43.060 there's a lot of women that probably have done it 1.00
00:05:44.640 or even in a situation right now
00:05:46.020 are actually doing it.
00:05:47.400 The world's just destroyed.
00:05:48.140 And they will go on with it
00:05:48.640 just to hide what they've done.
00:05:49.640 Even until the man dies,
00:05:50.920 they'll keep that to their greed. 0.91
00:05:52.620 There's people that do that.
00:05:53.540 So I agree.
00:05:55.080 I agree you should have it.
00:05:56.160 We live in a crazy world.
00:05:57.080 Also, I just want to put
00:05:58.480 a really niche perspective in there.
00:06:01.280 I mentioned I'm adopted.
00:06:03.620 On the search for your parents,
00:06:04.940 if it was done mandatory at birth,
00:06:06.900 at least you'd know.
00:06:08.220 Yeah, true.
00:06:08.840 I know it's such a small minority of people,
00:06:12.800 but you need to be able to know.
00:06:14.740 But it's not really a minority
00:06:15.920 because there are a lot of people must.
00:06:17.840 I think it's only 2,000 kids a year are adopted.
00:06:20.700 I think there should be an option for it.
00:06:23.840 30% of paternity tests are negative.
00:06:26.900 Wow.
00:06:27.480 No way.
00:06:28.620 That is crazy.
00:06:30.140 That should be a priority.
00:06:32.660 That is mad.
00:06:33.400 From a societal perspective,
00:06:34.920 if it's that common of an issue.
00:06:37.240 That is insane.
00:06:38.200 I can't believe you're telling me that.
00:06:39.220 And let's say we cut it in half
00:06:40.860 because people getting that
00:06:42.120 might be more likely to do it.
00:06:43.540 Let's cut it in half and say it's 15%.
00:06:45.280 That's still 1 in 10.
00:06:46.700 Yeah, that's crazy.
00:06:47.360 1.5 in 10.
00:06:48.420 No, that's insane.
00:06:49.880 No, that's insane.
00:06:50.980 But then if DNA was actually mandatory,
00:06:52.940 that might actually put fuel to the problem anyway
00:06:55.340 in the get-go
00:06:56.400 because then females wouldn't really care 1.00
00:06:58.320 about being cautious of,
00:07:00.360 okay, if I sleep with him,
00:07:01.540 you are the father.
00:07:02.220 Don't sleep with anybody.
00:07:03.080 Okay, mandatory.
00:07:04.120 And did DNA tests.
00:07:05.920 I'll just check who's the father
00:07:07.020 and boom, it's you.
00:07:07.880 Just pick who's the father.
00:07:09.100 That's it.
00:07:09.740 So it would add to the problem.
00:07:10.740 I think it'll make them have sex with one person more 1.00
00:07:14.780 because it's like,
00:07:16.520 I'm not trying to go through that thing
00:07:18.020 where I give you the DNA test,
00:07:19.800 you're not the dad.
00:07:20.420 But that's if some girls don't care about that. 1.00
00:07:22.580 That's if they care about that.
00:07:23.360 Well, I think good girls would act the same, 0.99
00:07:25.540 but the girls that would do that 1.00
00:07:26.860 would probably be less likely
00:07:28.220 to try to commit paternity fraud
00:07:30.180 if they knew they would get caught
00:07:32.440 when the baby came out.
00:07:34.080 But then how many good girls are there? 1.00
00:07:36.040 We're not facing that much good girls.
00:07:37.020 That's why it shouldn't be mandatory.
00:07:39.300 That's why it should be mandatory.
00:07:40.520 Like a child's certificate.
00:07:41.380 But wouldn't you say,
00:07:42.740 that's why it should be mandatory?
00:07:43.940 Yeah, I think it should.
00:07:44.840 It would add to the problem
00:07:46.160 if it was mandatory.
00:07:47.460 I think it would lessen.
00:07:48.140 I don't understand how,
00:07:49.480 explain that to me.
00:07:50.640 Because then females 1.00
00:07:51.600 would not take precaution
00:07:52.660 in who they sleep with
00:07:54.660 in terms of,
00:07:56.860 it wouldn't really matter
00:07:58.160 because then their DNA test
00:07:59.880 will actually tell them
00:08:00.600 who the father is.
00:08:01.580 Why would they be less,
00:08:02.900 they would be less cautious
00:08:03.880 because there's a DNA test at birth?
00:08:05.620 Yeah, because it's mandatory.
00:08:07.020 So it doesn't matter
00:08:08.700 who the father is.
00:08:09.660 It would just tell them
00:08:10.260 who the father is
00:08:11.040 and that'll be it.
00:08:11.860 They could sleep with multiple guys 1.00
00:08:12.980 at the same time.
00:08:13.660 Do you think women are cautious now? 0.53
00:08:17.260 No.
00:08:17.660 To a degree.
00:08:18.720 To a degree.
00:08:19.980 But you just said
00:08:20.820 that there's no good girl,
00:08:21.780 or there's very few good girls. 0.96
00:08:25.340 To a degree.
00:08:26.440 They actually are cautious.
00:08:27.920 Like they don't sleep
00:08:28.620 with 10 men at the same time.
00:08:30.160 To a degree.
00:08:31.180 If you had a mandatory DNA test,
00:08:33.420 then they will sleep
00:08:34.100 with 10 men in one night
00:08:35.140 and wouldn't care
00:08:35.840 who the father is.
00:08:36.880 No, but you'd have to pick the dad
00:08:38.280 and then you'll give that person
00:08:39.360 the DNA test.
00:08:40.320 And then if he's not the dad,
00:08:41.400 you have to find the other person.
00:08:42.500 But then she'd be the problem 0.87
00:08:43.040 because she wouldn't be speaking
00:08:44.220 to a man saying,
00:08:45.860 like, it's your child.
00:08:46.800 She wouldn't even know
00:08:47.480 who the child is.
00:08:48.360 So there'd be no fraud
00:08:49.160 in the first case.
00:08:50.000 It's all based on the one.
00:08:50.980 But so what's the alternative?
00:08:54.300 She just guesses?
00:08:55.440 Yeah.
00:08:56.040 Do you all have to guess?
00:08:57.400 Maybe she'll have to wait
00:08:58.080 till the child comes out
00:08:58.880 and say,
00:08:59.100 who does it look like the man?
00:09:00.040 You couldn't even do that though.
00:09:01.180 She just wouldn't know
00:09:01.840 who the dad is
00:09:02.620 because she's been with
00:09:03.480 so many men.
00:09:04.340 Yeah.
00:09:04.580 Oh God.
00:09:05.520 And it will be even more sad
00:09:06.940 if like she cheated 0.99
00:09:07.720 on her partner,
00:09:08.380 obviously,
00:09:08.820 and the partner's there
00:09:09.680 so excited.
00:09:10.540 Yeah, do the DNA test.
00:09:11.940 Boom, negative.
00:09:13.100 Wait, did you see that video
00:09:14.660 or that article
00:09:16.020 where the baby,
00:09:17.000 it was like two white people,
00:09:18.520 the baby came out black
00:09:19.700 and she accused the guy 0.89
00:09:21.280 of sleeping with a black girl? 0.64
00:09:22.720 What?
00:09:23.120 Oh yeah.
00:09:23.760 What's that?
00:09:24.180 Oh, we'll read.
00:09:24.740 That was a more read.
00:09:27.240 I was just like,
00:09:29.500 what world do we live in?
00:09:31.480 Crazy.
00:09:34.020 Okay, I'm going to read
00:09:34.840 Super Cats again.