JustPearlyThings - August 01, 2023


Pearl Was Horrified By This Ab0rtion Procedure

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partial birth abortion
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Hannah Pearl Davis
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In this episode, we talk about the gruesome process of abortion after 14 weeks of pregnancy, which involves pulling the head and limbs off the baby and dismembering it to make sure it's still alive. We also discuss the controversial practice of Partial-Birth Abortion, and whether or not it should be legal in the United States.

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00:00:00.000 Now, once you get past about 14 weeks, they typically do something called dilation and evacuation, which is basically a dismemberment abortion.
00:00:10.160 So if you read the manuals on how to do this, like second trimester surgical abortion, it basically says you put the forceps in after opening the cervix, you take the limbs off.
00:00:22.080 So you pull the arms off, you pull the legs off, then you pull the baby down.
00:00:26.840 And if the skull is too big, then you have to crush the skull before removing the baby's body from the woman. 0.88
00:00:35.020 So, yeah, it's it's a horrendous process.
00:00:38.120 Many doctors who do abortions wouldn't do those abortions because they find it so horrific. 0.98
00:00:43.220 There's some incredible papers where abortion doctors share their experiences doing these.
00:00:48.020 You know, there's a woman, Lisa Harris, who wrote a paper on this, who said, you know, there was one time where I pulled an arm off and felt like an electric shock kind of thing.
00:00:56.840 And I think she was talking about another case where she was pulling the limbs off a baby at about 20 weeks, about five months.
00:01:04.520 And at the same time, she felt her own baby in her womb because she was pregnant kicking. 0.69
00:01:11.900 At the same time that she was pulling the limbs off the legs of this other baby and they were like the same gestation.
00:01:18.540 And she said it was just a profoundly visceral, emotional experience.
00:01:22.280 I think she said she started crying.
00:01:23.600 I don't remember for sure.
00:01:24.480 But like.
00:01:26.160 It's it's sort of surreal to think.
00:01:30.420 The mindset, I suppose, of, you know, of abortionists who do abortions at this stage where they're pulling the limbs off babies, they're pregnant with a baby of the same gestation and they feel it kicking inside them.
00:01:40.700 So, yeah, for obvious reasons, that type of abortion has been particularly controversial.
00:01:45.760 There have been others.
00:01:46.420 There was a big debate about partial birth abortion a few years ago in America.
00:01:50.360 You can guess what that involves.
00:01:53.240 So, yeah, there's there's historically been a few.
00:01:55.280 I actually I don't understand what that.
00:01:57.540 I mean, OK, but I'm going to I'm going to get to it at the end.
00:02:00.920 I want to go through the other ones first.
00:02:02.760 So the first one basically starves the baby of oxygen, nutrients, then they give birth.
00:02:09.160 The second one, they pull the limbs off, crush the skull and vacuum it out.
00:02:15.180 If it's not as developed, they would just vacuum it out.
00:02:18.420 Yeah.
00:02:18.620 So so medical is just the pills all the way through whatever stage surgical at an early stage.
00:02:24.300 They vacuum at a late stage.
00:02:25.800 They dismember.
00:02:26.380 OK, and then when what when you were talking about injecting the heart with something, is that during the surgical abortions?
00:02:34.340 It's kind of any abortion after about 20 weeks.
00:02:38.460 So, OK, so that's when the baby could be brought alive.
00:02:41.140 OK, so after 20 weeks, they'll do the shot.
00:02:44.020 Yeah.
00:02:44.500 And then they would do the surgical abortion or could they could they still give you the pill to give birth to the dead baby? 1.00
00:02:52.240 Yes.
00:02:52.480 So in the third trimester, it's usually the pill.
00:02:54.580 So it's usually induction of labor.
00:02:58.700 They can do a surgical.
00:03:00.720 At that point, why don't they just give birth to it? 1.00
00:03:03.820 Because then it would be alive.
00:03:06.180 Wow.
00:03:07.260 Yeah.
00:03:07.540 You know, the point of and the College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists guidance is explicit.
00:03:12.000 It says you have to do the fetus side to make sure that the baby is dead, because if it came out alive, that would be the whole point of the abortion abolished.
00:03:21.480 So, yeah.
00:03:23.460 Wow.
00:03:23.820 OK, so partial birth abortion. 0.99
00:03:27.080 What is I mean, I'm assuming this is giving birth to it and then killing it? 0.97
00:03:33.560 Kind of halfway through. 0.79
00:03:34.680 Yeah.
00:03:34.940 So it's now banned in the U.S.
00:03:37.200 Fortunately, it's not banned in the U.K.
00:03:39.700 We don't know how often they do it in the U.K., but they might well do it.
00:03:42.700 It's perfectly legal.
00:03:43.660 So what happens here is that generally at a late stage of pregnancy, you would deliver the baby and it's alive.
00:03:52.000 It was generally done on a healthy baby and a healthy woman. 0.94
00:03:55.040 So it was not for like emergencies.
00:03:56.760 This was generally a healthy situation, but it was just the easiest way to do an abortion. 1.00
00:04:01.280 Apparently, you pull the baby out so that everything is outside of the mother except for the head.
00:04:08.380 And you can't pull the head out because then it would be a human being.
00:04:11.200 And, you know, you have to look after it.
00:04:13.260 But so you keep the head of the baby inside so that it's still a parasite or a clump of cells.
00:04:19.140 And then at that stage, what you do is you get some scissors and you put them into the skull of the baby.
00:04:25.360 So you kind of go through the base of the skull of the baby, open it up and then put a catheter in and suck the brains out. 0.81
00:04:33.720 And that kills the baby. 0.81
00:04:35.300 And that's legal?
00:04:36.840 It's legal in the U.K.
00:04:38.100 It was legal in the U.S. until they banned it.
00:04:41.440 So it was a bigger debate in the U.S. because abortion is generally.
00:04:46.020 And what's most remarkable is that, you know, anyone who's not a psychopath can realize this is murder.
00:04:52.220 And this is unconscionable.
00:04:53.620 When they went to ban this in America, most of the Democrat Party voted to keep it legal.
00:05:02.420 President Bill Clinton vetoed the ban and said we have to keep it legal.
00:05:06.780 And eventually, when it finally passed Congress, finally passed, I think, under Bush, it went to the Supreme Court.
00:05:13.260 And I think four of the Supreme Court justices, including Ruth Bader Ginsburg, said this should be legal.
00:05:19.760 It's unconstitutional to stop someone from sticking scissors into a birthing baby and suck their brains out. 1.00
00:05:28.780 Four of the Supreme Court justices said that it's unconstitutional not to allow that.
00:05:33.120 So it's now, you know, thank goodness, banned in America, but only through a real, real fight and a lot of political opposition.
00:05:40.680 Okay, can you tell me what happens?
00:05:43.680 Because this is the question as a pro-life person.
00:05:46.980 I get all the time and I don't know the science behind it.
00:05:49.560 I really don't.
00:05:50.960 Plan B, IUD, birth control.
00:05:55.660 Because I've heard some pro-life people say those are abortions too, or they can be.
00:06:01.120 And I hear the pro-choice people saying it's like, how can you not believe in abortion and believe in Plan B?
00:06:09.120 And my answer is I just don't know.
00:06:10.960 I don't really understand what happens.
00:06:13.360 So could you break those down?
00:06:15.580 Sure, yeah.
00:06:16.180 So I think a lot of the—you see this in many other ways. 0.56
00:06:19.640 Like a lot of people will say, oh, every sperm is sacred, or like masturbation is therefore murder if you're pro-life kind of thing. 0.87
00:06:25.800 Yeah. 0.86
00:06:26.040 So let's be clear.
00:06:27.920 The pro-life position is that ending the life of a human being is bad.
00:06:32.360 You shouldn't do it.
00:06:34.980 And the science shows that a human being begins at fertilization.
00:06:38.980 This is just what I learned in medical school.
00:06:40.620 It's what's in every textbook.
00:06:42.280 Everyone believes it, unless they're talking about abortion.
00:06:46.380 So what that means is that fertilization, from that point, there's a zygote, then an embryo, then a fetus, et cetera.
00:06:52.660 Before that point, where you just have a sperm cell or an egg cell, that's not a human being.
00:06:56.860 That's a part of a human being.
00:06:58.280 It's a gamete.
00:06:59.120 It's, you know, it only has half the chromosomes of a normal human being in each cell.
00:07:04.940 So that's not a human being.
00:07:06.460 So, you know, whatever you think about masturbation or whatever, whether it's healthy for society or whatever, it's not killing a human being. 0.97
00:07:12.400 It's just wasting a load of sperm. 1.00
00:07:15.160 So the pro-life position says nothing in itself about that or about contraception, which blocks fertilization.
00:07:22.980 Now, the complication is that some kinds of contraception can operate not only before fertilization, but also after fertilization.
00:07:35.380 And so if it operates after fertilization, it would be killing a very early human being.
00:07:40.120 So we know that copper coils, for example, do that, copper IUDs.
00:07:45.580 All right.
00:07:45.860 So what are the good birth controls and what are the bad ones?
00:07:49.820 So, yeah, it's a bit tricky.
00:07:51.300 So, yeah, like I was saying, there's two kinds.
00:07:55.060 Some of them will operate before fertilization.
00:07:58.200 Some of them will also operate after fertilization.
00:08:00.540 And the difficult thing is that we don't really know which of them works after fertilization.
00:08:06.900 So we know that the copper IUD works after fertilization.
00:08:11.720 But for most of the others, we honestly don't know.
00:08:14.620 And part of the problem with this is the science is kind of not great.
00:08:19.340 And the science is also so politicized.
00:08:21.280 Right.
00:08:21.500 You can imagine there's a whole load of people that want to say, oh, it doesn't work after fertilization because then it will be part of abortion law and it gets more complicated to roll it out and make money from it. 0.99
00:08:30.920 So the honest answer is we don't know.
00:08:33.000 Some people think the morning after pill, you know, plan B, emergency contraception, of which there are two kinds.
00:08:39.080 Some people think that there's better evidence that that works after fertilization.
00:08:43.240 I honestly don't know.
00:08:44.420 And I've looked at quite a lot of the evidence.
00:08:47.360 So regular contraception, whether it's the combined pill, the progesterone only pill, whether it's the marina coil IUD, whether it's the implants, whether it's injections.
00:09:00.740 Honestly, for most of them, we don't know when it works.
00:09:03.400 So some people are going to be like, OK, I'm really, really want to be absolutely certain that I'm not ending the life of a very early human embryo.
00:09:11.220 So they won't take any.
00:09:12.400 Some people think we don't really know, but I'm not convinced by the evidence.
00:09:16.220 So my conscience is OK with taking it.
00:09:19.060 So it's honestly difficult for me to answer beyond that.
00:09:22.160 I would say, though, that there definitely is a concern about some of them that they might well operate after fertilization.
00:09:29.140 So it's something that you have to look at the evidence yourself and think through your own conscience.