Pearl’s Thoughts On Rollo Tomassi
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Summary
In this episode, Pearl and Rolo talk about Kanye West's new album, "Jesus Is King" and how they first met. They also talk about Pearl's relationship with Alex Jones and why he thinks she's a hack.
Transcript
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That's a problem with media, to be honest, is that like people just become so beholden to their audiences.
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So they have to be extreme and they can't like talk about nuance.
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Well, I mean, I don't think he does that for his audience.
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I mean, I don't really see it, but you can have that opinion.
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Even Alex Jones was like, what the fuck is that?
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The other thing I was going to talk to you about.
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So I would love for you and Rolo to be able to sit down and like, I don't know what the fucking problem is.
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What do you think the issue was where you guys would go back and forth?
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And then I'm going to tell you what I think it is.
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Um, this is when, when we started, he was really helpful to me in my set.
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And so he was helping me with stuff and he like, he was giving me advice.
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Um, and I, I was trying to get him to like mentor me.
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And I think like, like, and I was saying I would pay him for his time and like, like, cause I really, I really looked up to him.
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Like, honestly, I thought like he was so smart and like, I just really loved his stream.
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Um, and then he basically, like, he basically, um, he went on this like podcast and then was like, oh, Pearl, I forgot.
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It really hurt my feelings though, to be honest.
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And like, and I was like, oh, I, I thought, okay.
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Her, his exact words to me, cause we had a conversation about it.
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Is that she, he, he said the same thing that he thought you were hacked, but he didn't dislike you.
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And I'll, let me talk, I'll talk after you finish.
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I don't even remember what happened next, but he would just always tweet about me.
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And I'm just like, why are we, why are we tweeting?
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Why, but why, what do you, why do you think he and I immediately got along?
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Uh, oh, why do you think we immediately got along?
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Well, I mean, he's been doing this stuff for like 20 years.
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So I read probably somewhere between 40 and 60 books a year.
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There's nothing like, he's the only human I've met in my life who reads as much on evolutionary psychology as me.
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The reason why we got together and why it works so much, even though we disagree on certain things, like he's, he's like, I would never vote for a female politician.
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I'm like, no, the lady who runs Las Vegas is pretty awesome.
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She was trying to get us back to work during the pandemic.
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Or in, in his case where he talks about like men and women could be friends.
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That was a big debating point for when we, when we first, when we first met.
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But because we kept this thing evidence-based, he and I got along really well, got famously.
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And the other thing is when I presented evidence to him, like I took him to my birthday party and there were 50 girls there.
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And then like, he saw the girls I was dating and all this kind of stuff.
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I was like, hey, if Pearl read, and anybody wants to take notes on these?
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If Pearl read, The Ape That Understood the Universe by Stephen Stewart Williams, and Pearl read, The Evolution of Desire by David Buss, and Pearl read, Why Women Have Sex by David Buss and Cindy Messon, and Pearl read, When Men Behave Badly by David Buss, and Pearl read, Mate by Joffrey Wilson, and Pearl read, Any of the Books by Steven Pinker or Gad Saad, and Pearl read, Why Beautiful People Have More Daughters by Satoshi Kanazawa.
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Do you think then you would still think she's a hack?
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It's like, at that point, she would have done the work.
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Like, that's an extreme micro-president, but she would have done the work in order to have a conversation on what, that's what he, that's what Rolo, and I don't want to put words in his mouth, and if Rolo disagrees with me, he can tweet it and say something, or tweet, do a super chat or say something, we'll read it.
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But for Rolo, what he respects is that people follow the evidence.
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When you had Nick Fuentes on, and got, you know, yelled at because of it, you know, whatever, semi-cancel, whatever, all the controversy, and then you said you didn't know who he was, Pearl, do you understand I did 30 hours of study before you came on here today?
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I have to do tons of work before someone comes on.
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And it felt like, in your situation, you were talking about a lot of these things from anecdotal stuff.
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I love when you start talking about 40% of women have had two abortions.
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But, like, for him, in his standpoint, what he admires, I'll tell you right now, is the work, the study that's gone.
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If you read those books, I promise you he'd be like, okay, now she's taking these ideas from the concept of evolutionary studies as opposed to, you understand, when you just start saying things based on how you feel, how are you any different from The View or fucking Dr. Phil?
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The reason why we have no respect for those people as content creators is because they're just spewing either a political woke rhetoric or they're just talking about their fucking feelings.
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And for the reason why he respects Myron, for instance, is because Myron reads a ton.
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That's what, I'm not saying you're right or wrong.
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I'm just telling you that's what, the way he would express it.
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Maybe he didn't do a good enough job expressing it.
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I'm just saying, because I want to see the two of you work together, to be honest with you.
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Because I support, I think the stuff you do is great.
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Yeah, I just, yeah, I mean, I think that he could have said that to me instead of going online.
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And I think it's really unprofessional to every time you have an issue with someone, tweet about it.
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Instead of, like, that was a conversation that could have maybe been had behind the scenes.
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And I was like, I think you should work with her.
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And then he said, you guys were talking on the phone and then you did a live stream.
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And then he felt that Nick Fuentes just showing up on the fucking stream that he was on was a little unprofessional.
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And then I looked for it and you would pull that stream down.
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Well, yeah, because I did it because he was, like, I thought he was mad.
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So that's why I pulled it because, like, for him, like, yeah.
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I think he thinks that you pulled it because Nick Fuentes said crazy shit.
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My whole thing is, now look at it from two standpoints.
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From the first standpoint, you, you, from his standpoint, you said you're an entertainer.
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From his standpoint, he felt like you didn't do the work.
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Again, Rollo, if I'm saying stuff you don't agree with, please, like, like, chime in.
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And additionally, when you have Nick Fuentes on the first time and people are offended, you say,
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Like I said, well, I'm having Patrick Bed-David on in August.
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I will spend two, three weeks just studying up to, he was in the 101st Airborne.
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I said I didn't, like, know all of what he did.
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And so, like, sometimes, like, I feel like, and sometimes, and I think this is fair.
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I can do that on my own channel that I built, right?
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So I have, like, the right to bring someone on.
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And if I don't want, like, because I think that sometimes, like, you go into an interview,
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Like, I think what I really like bringing on YouTube is having a conversation, like, that
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you would have behind the scenes that's, like, in good faith.
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And I feel like when you bring on someone that's, like, canceled, if you know every, like,
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bad thing they've said ever or whatever, like, I just wanted, like, to go in with, like,
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And I just think it's, like, okay, if you don't like it, then do something else on your
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I'm just trying to explain to you what, maybe where he's coming from.
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And obviously, yeah, I wish he was having this conversation with you.
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So, but the thing is, it's the first time with Nick, and then it happens again when he's on the
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show that all of a sudden Nick shows up, I'm, by the way, I'm not trying to do a gotcha.
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Well, I mean, with, with Rolo, I mean, I told him that I was going to invite content creators
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And like, that's, and so I thought it was fine.
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And then he's, he's super like, and I was like, oh shit.
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Like, the only reason I pulled the stream was because like, because of like, cause, um,
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some, someone messaged me during the stream and was like that this isn't good or whatever.
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It's just, but again, it's like, it's kind of like, why, why are we having this conversation
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Like now, you know, when we, we could have had this, like, yeah.
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Listen, I'm, I'm, I'm trying to be, you know, Jimmy Carter here.
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So, I mean, I've always been a fan of Rolo and I just feel like no matter, like it's very
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immature to always go to Twitter and always like posting every time you have an issue and
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a lot of this stuff, like, I think it kind of makes the space look bad as a whole, to be
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We, also, I want to let you, you probably figure this out.
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If you had done that to me, I would have been like, fuck yes.
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And that's why I told Rolo, I was like, I would, I want, have me on sometime.
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Have three of my exes and fucking, you know, some more criminal on.
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But I think in his, his standpoint with Rolo, it's not just a question of his, um, like the
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There's a level of credibility that he has because of the books.
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And so whenever he goes on someone's show, he feels he's lending that credibility to that
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So he lends in his mind, he lends the credibility.
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Again, Rolo, if I'm saying something you disagree with, let me know.
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And then you turn around and it's Nick Fuentes.
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Like, I pulled the stream because I was, I was just like, oh God, like, I was like,
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And I, but it's like, I can't like when he's constantly thinking I'm like out to get him or whatever.
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It's just like, it's, it's, I know you guys, like they, you guys had the whole 21, like
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whatever, like that whole, like not, maybe not you, but everyone in the manosphere had
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that like big beef or whatever, where people were turning on each other, but it's like,
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And I don't really know what happened with it, but it's like, I feel like I'm getting
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And so it's like, like I've genuinely, he's called me an idiot on stream.
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He's called like, he, he has said like things that are so rude when literally I have only
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been trying, like, I just wanted him to mentor me.
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And if he sat me down and said, Oh, read this book, read this book.
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And so, um, like he said something to me about reading his book, religion.
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His audio, he actually, I think he told me he makes more money from the audio books than the
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So, um, yeah, I didn't even have an issue with him being like mad about the, the, the
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Um, and yeah, but then he, it's like, he runs to Twitter.
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And again, I, I don't know what the whole thing is.
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We've had a couple of conversations about this.
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I would like all of us to be able to work together.
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Like some of these beefs, but the thing is, I don't come from the red pill community.
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Um, but it's like, I can't, it's like, I can only do so much, you know?