JustPearlyThings - November 19, 2023


Tension At The Daily Wire! Ben Shapiro Vs Candace Owens


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Candace Owens has been called anti-Semitic by the Daily Wire for her pro-Israel stance, and Ben Shapiro has called her out for it. What does this have to do with Israel? And why does she think Nikki Haley should be the next president of Israel?

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00:00:00.000 So speaking of crazy behavior, this crazy, oh gosh, this is tea.
00:00:05.860 Okay.
00:00:06.160 This is tea.
00:00:07.600 Okay.
00:00:08.360 You know Candace Owens works for Ben Shapiro at The Daily Wire.
00:00:11.140 I do.
00:00:11.720 Now, we all know there's this huge conflict going on in Israel right now.
00:00:16.980 Now, me personally, I haven't really, I don't know enough, like the conflict is so confusing
00:00:22.260 to me that I don't really.
00:00:23.480 I think it is to a lot of people.
00:00:24.700 Yeah, I don't really have a side, right?
00:00:26.520 I could see both points of view from what I've heard.
00:00:30.100 But I don't know.
00:00:31.120 I'm not.
00:00:31.660 That conflict is very confusing.
00:00:33.720 Well, it's a conflict that's been going on for thousands of years.
00:00:36.900 So I don't think anyone really knows what to make of it.
00:00:40.460 Exactly.
00:00:40.900 There's some obvious things that we can all take from it.
00:00:43.220 There's also a lot that I don't think any of us will ever be able to understand because
00:00:46.840 it's been going on for so long.
00:00:48.400 Yeah.
00:00:49.080 And I've heard Candace Owens speak out about being called anti-Semitic. 1.00
00:00:54.760 Because they're basically labeling Candace as anti-Semitic.
00:00:58.260 Now, I have a little bit of experience.
00:01:00.700 I found out yesterday the most Googled I've ever been was when I was called anti-Semitic.
00:01:06.400 No, but it's so interesting because I don't even have an opinion on that stuff.
00:01:10.300 Like, I don't even have a strong feeling one way or the other.
00:01:13.220 I could listen to someone on both sides talk and I would understand where they were coming
00:01:17.500 from as of now.
00:01:18.900 And yet I got labeled anti-Semitic.
00:01:20.680 I was like, wow, what the hell?
00:01:22.180 So, I heard Candace saying that she condemns genocide on Twitter.
00:01:27.100 I know she had a clip of her talking about how she wanted to nominate Nikki Haley for 0.83
00:01:31.980 the president of Israel.
00:01:33.880 And she's sort of been poking fun at people calling everyone and everything anti-Semitic.
00:01:39.380 And we're going to go through some of these.
00:01:41.040 Now, there's a clip that came out of Ben Shapiro slamming Candace Owens for her absolutely
00:01:45.900 disgraceful behavior in front of a visibly shocked audience.
00:01:49.940 Shapiro goes on to say, her faux sophistication on this issue is ridiculous.
00:01:55.440 Tensions rising at the Daily Wire.
00:01:57.320 Yes, the question is about Candace Owens.
00:02:02.000 I think her behavior during this has been disgraceful.
00:02:04.500 Without attack.
00:02:08.320 I think, what was that?
00:02:10.100 Yeah, I mean, she still works for my company. 0.99
00:02:13.660 And I think she's been absolutely disgraceful.
00:02:15.860 I think that her faux sophistication on these particular issues has been ridiculous.
00:02:20.740 It's not faux sophistication.
00:02:22.040 It's ridiculous.
00:02:22.980 Everybody can see the moves that she's making and the things that she's saying.
00:02:25.600 And I'm indistrupulous.
00:02:26.460 What is her behavior?
00:02:30.260 What's he referring to?
00:02:31.280 So, there's a video.
00:02:33.240 Here is one example of what Candace has been saying in the recent weeks. 0.96
00:02:37.540 Owens endorses Nikki Haley for president of Israel amid collapsing support for Jewish state.
00:02:43.180 Well, I am here today to endorse Nikki Haley for president of Israel.
00:02:49.080 I think she's earned that.
00:02:50.240 I think Bibi Netanyahu is going through a very bad time right now.
00:02:54.380 Support for Israel has virtually collapsed socially.
00:02:57.080 If you're paying attention to the trends and you're paying attention to what people are watching,
00:03:01.000 you're paying attention to the protests.
00:03:02.440 And the one person that I think is capable of getting it back is Nikki Haley with enough money from foreign interest lobbies.
00:03:10.860 So, there it is, guys.
00:03:12.020 I'm endorsing Nikki Haley, president of Israel.
00:03:15.740 So, Nikki Haley is a presidential candidate in the U.S.
00:03:19.960 Okay.
00:03:20.640 She worked for the U.N. a couple of years ago.
00:03:22.940 I actually met her.
00:03:23.940 I actually met her a couple of years ago.
00:03:25.560 Really quick selfie.
00:03:26.440 I personally don't think women should really be in positions of power like that. 1.00
00:03:31.620 So, I'm not the biggest fan.
00:03:33.060 I've kind of seen her.
00:03:34.580 The little takes that I've seen of hers, I don't really like.
00:03:38.000 Like, she had one take that everyone on social media needs to have a public account. 0.91
00:03:42.100 That seems like tyranny.
00:03:43.980 I think you have.
00:03:44.640 I don't enjoy the trolls.
00:03:46.260 You guys annoy me.
00:03:47.520 But I will say you have the right to have an anonymous account with no pictures.
00:03:52.540 I'm not.
00:03:53.120 But, like, you know, that kind of goes back to how women like to micromanage, et cetera. 1.00
00:03:57.100 And I think she's had a lot of pro-war stances.
00:04:00.280 Okay.
00:04:00.920 And so, basically, getting more involved in the Israel-Palestine conflict.
00:04:06.460 That's what Nikki Haley stands for.
00:04:08.200 Nikki Haley, yeah.
00:04:09.240 And so, I want to say I think she has that view of Nikki Haley because Nikki wants to get
00:04:16.480 more involved.
00:04:17.080 I think Candace thinks we should stay out of it based on what I've seen.
00:04:20.640 There's three stances that I've seen.
00:04:23.180 I've seen people that are on the side of Israel that we should get involved and support Israel.
00:04:27.560 I've seen people that are on the side of Palestine that they're saying we should get 0.97
00:04:30.980 involved and support Palestine.
00:04:33.060 And I've seen people that think we should just stay out of it.
00:04:36.340 So, Owens compares the media's recent outcry over anti-Semitism to their complete silence
00:04:42.540 on anti-white racism.
00:04:44.100 What makes the Jews so special?
00:04:45.880 Let's pull it up.
00:04:46.320 We had a similar thing happen here in the UK very, very recently.
00:04:49.660 Our Home Secretary was sacked for, she pointed out that the police in the UK were quite harsh
00:04:56.260 on the British protesters.
00:04:59.880 I don't really know exactly the context of what was happening, but the police were harsh
00:05:03.560 on the British protesters.
00:05:04.780 And a lot of people were saying that this Suella Braverman lady spoke for the sort of
00:05:08.960 quiet majority of British people.
00:05:10.720 I don't know.
00:05:11.680 I don't know enough about her to say whether she speaks for me or not.
00:05:14.600 But what I do know is that we are seeing a lot of people talking about how come you can
00:05:19.780 speak about anti-something, anti-something, but you can't talk about this.
00:05:24.560 Well, I had a song dedicated to just that.
00:05:29.060 Yeah, that backfired.
00:05:31.460 Anyways, let's pull up the video.
00:05:33.580 There are a lot of people in America that are sitting here going, okay, well, can you answer
00:05:37.880 why Jews are so special?
00:05:39.180 Because as white people in this country on university campuses, we are being taught that
00:05:43.360 we are not allowed to have a voice.
00:05:44.700 We have had to endure exactly what you're talking about, BLM. 0.94
00:05:47.680 We've endured much worse than you have because it's in the actual textbooks.
00:05:50.800 We are being told that we are systematically racist, that we are born wrong because of the
00:05:54.240 color of our skin.
00:05:55.460 And if we say anything, we'll lose everything.
00:05:57.600 This is the typical experience on white campuses. 0.88
00:05:59.900 So people, this is not whataboutism.
00:06:01.400 This is like actually what we have been fighting for years.
00:06:04.560 So it sort of arrived, as I think for a lot of Americans, a surprise when they're saying,
00:06:09.900 well, now that it's about Israel, which is something that's overseas, we need to hand
00:06:15.040 these university professors, we need to do something about this issue.
00:06:17.700 Why weren't we trying to correct course on this issue?
00:06:19.900 Why weren't donors pulling their funding out of these universities?
00:06:23.100 Why weren't these same things being said for these last, I would say, eight years of
00:06:28.320 rampant BLM, white man can't do anything right, actively being taught in the classrooms?
00:06:33.860 So there are people that are asking that question.
00:06:36.220 Now, what I have said is that explicit calls for genocide, which was stunning to me to see
00:06:40.760 that in Congress, are completely wrong.
00:06:43.600 It is frankly crazy.
00:06:45.360 I have not weighed in on the IDF's response in the same way that I have consistently said
00:06:50.080 through every war, Ukraine and Russia, I don't want to be involved.
00:06:52.980 I have said I don't want to be involved in Israel and Palestine, all these conflicts. 0.99
00:06:57.780 My consistency seems to offend people, right?
00:07:00.360 But I haven't made a single tweet or a single comment on IDF's response in Palestine.
00:07:04.920 I haven't said a single thing about that.
00:07:06.320 I have said it is always sad when a child dies.
00:07:08.940 And the lack of humanity that I have seen from both sides has been very troubling for
00:07:12.560 me.
00:07:13.400 But to say that I have to weigh in and suddenly, you know, wave an Israeli flag and say things 0.75
00:07:20.460 that, you know, because you decide that you get to use my platform because it's personal
00:07:25.760 to you, how is that fair to people?
00:07:28.360 How is that fair?
00:07:29.020 And then to then go a step further and to suggest that it might be anti-Semitic, which
00:07:33.400 is basically silence is violence, is a leftist tactic, to me feels very extreme.
00:07:40.140 This is not about a geographical, geopolitical dispute between Israel and Palestine.
00:07:44.560 This is about an ideological mission to rid the world of Israel and the Jews. 1.00
00:07:49.160 That's what I think people misunderstand.
00:07:50.420 Yeah, well, Jews live very comfortably in the United States of America, so they're not 1.00
00:07:54.880 going to be, I mean, you know, obviously Jews are-
00:07:57.660 They lived comfortably in Germany before World War, before Germany, too.
00:08:01.380 They did.
00:08:02.840 Doctors, lawyers, intellectuals.
00:08:03.900 I really struggle when people start using, you know, things that have happened in the past
00:08:09.720 that are abhorrent, like slavery, to say that, like, if this doesn't happen, then slavery
00:08:13.300 is going to be back.
00:08:13.980 Or if this doesn't happen, then it's going to be the Holocaust, too. 0.90
00:08:15.980 I think there's a lot more meaningful chatter and discussion that we can have.
00:08:19.080 We don't have to resort to that kind of, you know-
00:08:21.440 History repeats itself if you forget it, you know.
00:08:23.300 You have to be conscious, and Jews especially. 1.00
00:08:25.080 Unfortunately, I'm a grandchild of all four of my grandparents are Holocaust survivors.
00:08:29.240 So what do you think of the Holocaust survivors and the Jewish people in New York City that
00:08:33.780 are protesting on behalf of Palestine?
00:08:37.180 That's a great question.
00:08:38.920 Yeah, I think that there's a very strange, bizarre-
00:08:43.080 I mean, it's the same people that you would condemn as the people of the white people who 0.54
00:08:46.700 bowed down to BLM protesters who hate themselves and feel a certain sense of guilt.
00:08:51.180 They feel a certain sense of, I think, a lot of the ideologies on the woke left, to the
00:08:55.340 extent that things are good and prosperous and virtuous, they condemn as bad.
00:09:00.040 And the things that are broken morally and depraved, they see as good.
00:09:03.380 This is the lens by which the far left views things.
00:09:06.380 And I think these Jews that happen to be politically far left and maybe are not that connected to
00:09:10.300 their Judaism or are culturally, maybe culturally Jewish, but don't have a strong Jewish upbringing.
00:09:14.500 Not to say that politics and being a Jew go hand in hand with the same political identity.
00:09:19.480 But my point is, just like the white people who, in mass, were bowing down and feeling
00:09:25.440 guilty about themselves simply for being white, or people who feel guilty for being successful,
00:09:30.380 or the anti-capitalists who say anyone who has something is necessarily bad, some people
00:09:34.940 buy into that sort of masochism of hating themselves to gain favor with people who want their destruction.
00:09:41.220 It's really sick.
00:09:41.780 So would you say that in order to be a Christian, you have to, a Catholic, you have to support
00:09:47.740 the Vatican?
00:09:48.500 Like, you can't be a Jewish person that just doesn't support the state of Israel. 0.77
00:09:53.000 Is that what you're implying?
00:09:54.540 Yeah, because I have Jewish friends that are pro-Israel, and I have Jewish friends that
00:09:58.080 say that they just do not support Zionism at all, and that they think that the creation
00:10:02.780 of the Israel state is something that is political and has nothing to do with actually the Jewish
00:10:06.760 faith at all.
00:10:07.420 And so I listen to both of those sides, I try to hear both of those voices, and I don't
00:10:11.940 think having a different perspective makes any person less Jewish, and I think it's been 0.98
00:10:15.620 problematic to hear, and this is not you, this isn't a person towards you, when they
00:10:19.540 say, well, to even have that perspective makes you not Jewish, because it's so reminiscent 0.88
00:10:22.560 for me of me saying, I'm a black conservative.
00:10:24.700 And they say, well, even to be a black Republican, it's, you know.
00:10:28.320 Of course.
00:10:29.460 So I didn't see anything anti-Semitic or hateful.
00:10:33.060 Is that what they're saying is anti-Semitic?
00:10:34.980 I mean, I don't know what Ben Shapiro is referring to as this terrible behavior, because to me,
00:10:41.080 it's her exploring the ideas.
00:10:42.680 She doesn't sound like she's saying she's an expert on the topic.
00:10:46.180 She doesn't sound like she's even really taking a side.
00:10:50.060 She kind of seems similar to me, where we're both like, I don't know what to make of it,
00:10:55.200 so let me learn about it.
00:10:57.140 And maybe she's a little bit more, like, she probably is a little bit, like, knows a little
00:11:02.440 bit more, but I'm like, I didn't even see her go hard one way or the other.
00:11:07.240 Some of Owen's recent likes, okay, let's see.
00:11:11.880 Zionist lobby is starting to go after Candace Owens.
00:11:15.000 Now she will learn.
00:11:16.600 Cernovich says, by now it's clear Israel is indiscriminately bombing Palestine.
00:11:22.260 It's a lie to say otherwise.
00:11:23.520 You can say it's necessary.
00:11:25.240 That's a matter of moral judgment and opinion, but please don't lie.
00:11:30.240 Oh, she liked this one that said, I don't know, frankly, who should control Gaza,
00:11:34.800 when or if Hamas is wiped out, but I do know it can't be Benjamin Matanyahi. 0.62
00:11:41.200 Thank you.
00:11:43.240 Pierce Warden criticizes the Israeli prime minister's plans to occupy Gaza after the bombing is done.
00:11:51.260 One must wonder if Ben Shapiro feels similarly about Matt Walsh, who has been similarly outspoken
00:11:57.700 about Israel-first Zionists.
00:12:00.020 Following the GOP primaries debate last week, he said Republicans' allegiance to Israel is
00:12:04.960 a mental sickness.
00:12:05.860 This is not how people talk about their own countries.
00:12:12.020 This is a uniquely modern American phenomenon.
00:12:15.100 It's like a sickness, a mental sickness, where some of our leaders, or would-be leaders,
00:12:21.280 profess greater admiration and love for and pride in foreign countries than their own.
00:12:27.060 It's just a crazy thing to say.
00:12:29.260 Again, you know what I mean?
00:12:29.860 Matt Walsh slammed Nikki Haley for contradicting herself in last week's debate.
00:12:35.040 Haley demands that the U.S. help Israel, but just moments later claims that Israel doesn't
00:12:39.240 need the U.S. at all.
00:12:40.480 Funny enough, this seems to echo a similar contradiction from Shapiro last month.
00:12:45.860 Israel doesn't need us. 0.99
00:12:47.100 We need them.
00:12:49.200 If that's true, then how can you say that in one breath and then in the next breath tell
00:12:55.320 us that it is imperative for the United States to help Israel?
00:12:58.820 I thought you said they don't need us.
00:13:01.120 They don't need us at all.
00:13:01.960 We could not exist, according to you, and it would make a difference.
00:13:05.520 You cannot say both of those things.
00:13:07.300 You cannot say they desperately need us and also they don't need us.
00:13:11.180 You really expect us to believe that America benefits more from its alliance than Israel 0.98
00:13:16.600 benefits from that same alliance?
00:13:20.080 That is nonsense.
00:13:22.500 No, Israel greatly benefits from America. 0.53
00:13:24.800 They say that I want America to fight wars for Israel. 0.80
00:13:28.320 Nope.
00:13:29.020 Nope.
00:13:29.640 First of all, Israel can take care of herself. 0.55
00:13:32.180 If Israel is forced to the wall, the possibility of nuclear exchange is extremely high.
00:13:37.040 That is why it is very important that the United States provide the material aid to Israel
00:13:41.020 and that they also dissuade Hezbollah from...
00:13:44.560 Wow.
00:13:46.980 There is a lot going on at the Daily Wire.
00:13:50.240 Can you imagine if this was a network?
00:13:52.920 So you have all four people like tweeting about each other.
00:13:56.180 And now, oh, are they...
00:14:01.400 Do you think they're going to fire Owens?
00:14:03.060 No.
00:14:03.720 You don't think so?
00:14:04.740 No.
00:14:05.700 I think they will.
00:14:06.840 I think she'll either leave or they'll fire her. 1.00
00:14:09.280 I think she will leave.
00:14:11.220 She'll leave. 0.98
00:14:12.540 Leave. 0.99
00:14:13.280 But they'll...
00:14:13.900 Oh, like publicly she'll leave. 0.52
00:14:15.920 But really, she got fired.
00:14:17.720 I don't think Walsh will leave, though.
00:14:19.620 How have Walsh and Owens not been fired from the Daily Liar yet?
00:14:24.180 Guys, come and join the Audacity Network.
00:14:27.660 Guys, guys, look it.
00:14:28.880 I heard Candice's husband's from England.
00:14:32.900 I mean, we're right...
00:14:34.020 Candice, look it.
00:14:35.340 This desk right here is free.
00:14:38.260 Like, we have a slot for you.
00:14:39.980 Look.
00:14:42.460 Okay, Matt and Candice are about to get sacked.
00:14:44.820 Yeah, Matt, look it.
00:14:45.600 We're in the UK.
00:14:47.200 Look it.
00:14:47.520 I know we had our debates.
00:14:48.380 The weather's not great, but, you know, we...
00:14:50.260 The weather's quite bad.
00:14:51.560 Big Ben, London Eye.
00:14:52.880 Yeah, look it.
00:14:53.440 Look it.
00:14:54.900 Ben's about to have a mass firing.
00:14:57.740 It's got to be interesting having...
00:15:00.320 I understand you need to be somewhat ideologically aligned
00:15:04.240 if you're going to be part of the same network.
00:15:06.300 But it kind of begs the question of what can you differ on and what can't you?
00:15:11.160 Yeah.
00:15:11.960 Because that's got to be such a big and, like, personal issue to Ben Shapiro
00:15:16.700 that I am surprised they, like, worked for him to begin with
00:15:20.540 because that seems to be, like, a core issue of who he is.
00:15:24.620 Yeah.
00:15:25.220 So I'm actually surprised he had them at all.
00:15:28.880 Well, maybe because when they joined...
00:15:31.580 It wasn't that big at the time.
00:15:32.800 No.
00:15:33.100 No.
00:15:33.360 So now things are coming to the forefront.
00:15:35.760 Emotions are playing probably a bigger part.
00:15:37.780 And things are coming a bit more evident to people how they feel about certain things.
00:15:42.120 And therefore, maybe it's revealing certain ideologies and things that they have.
00:15:46.320 I don't think it was disgraceful behavior, though.
00:15:49.340 I did not see anything from Candace that was absolutely disgraceful behavior.
00:15:54.480 I think it's a...
00:15:56.160 To me, what comes to mind for me is in the book, 1984, the idea of thought police.
00:16:04.820 And unfortunately, I'm seeing this pattern in the media across all sources right now.
00:16:12.900 If you ask questions, you're automatically given a label of disgraceful.
00:16:21.900 Why?
00:16:22.640 I can't...
00:16:23.180 Sorry.
00:16:26.180 See how careful we're having to be.
00:16:28.460 No, I know.
00:16:29.280 And that's the thing.
00:16:30.960 And it's like, then it makes you question what...
00:16:33.320 And then it's like, when you have thought police,
00:16:36.300 and you are prohibiting people from asking questions,
00:16:38.720 because what I have seen from Candace with my own eyes and ears,
00:16:42.520 this is all I've seen with this dispute,
00:16:45.460 I have come to the conclusion that she was not acting disgracefully.
00:16:48.520 In fact, she was acting curiously.
00:16:51.360 And perhaps in certain areas, when she was referring to the anti-whiteness,
00:16:54.400 she was playing the devil's advocate. 0.99
00:16:56.160 Now, her intentions, we can't know.
00:16:58.000 We're not inside Candace's head.
00:16:59.360 No one is.
00:16:59.880 So we can't infer what we think she's doing.
00:17:02.340 But what I do think Ben Shapiro is doing,
00:17:05.800 in his statement that he made,
00:17:07.740 is inferring that he knows Candace's intentions.
00:17:09.800 And I've seen this pattern in every single conversation on this conflict.
00:17:14.920 I do see the same pattern where people label you something for asking questions.
00:17:20.720 And that begs the question, why can't we ask questions?
00:17:24.540 Because society collapses when we stop talking to each other,
00:17:28.060 and we stop asking questions.
00:17:29.480 Well, and I think it makes it worse,
00:17:31.040 because it makes one side seem suspicious,
00:17:34.280 because nobody can say anything to them.
00:17:37.520 And so people that are in the middle are kind of like,
00:17:40.260 what's going on?
00:17:41.300 I don't know what to think.
00:17:42.080 But, you know, I don't wish that they break up.
00:17:45.640 I think Matt Walsh will stay.
00:17:47.640 I think Candace Owens will leave. 1.00
00:17:49.780 I think she'll either quit or they'll fire her. 1.00
00:17:52.140 She'll be the scapegoat, won't she?
00:17:52.660 Yeah.