JustPearlyThings - July 12, 2023


Things Got Personal When Pro Choice Activist Said This...


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Length

10 minutes

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171.29892

Word count

1,812

Sentence count

1

Harmful content

Misogyny

5

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Hate speech

2

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Summary

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In this episode we have a heated debate about whether or not newborn babies can feel pain. Is it possible for newborn babies to feel pain if they don't have a conscious mind? Is pain something that can only be felt when they are unconscious?

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00:00:00.000 newborn babies can feel pain even if they can't pass the mirror tip yes but if well regardless
00:00:08.720 of when they feel pain if they are not of any kind of valuable consciousness to me which i
00:00:16.240 don't think they gain until much older it doesn't matter because it's just trying to put an emotional
00:00:24.760 response on a blob it is not an entity that is developed enough for anything to be of any
00:00:32.380 importance the pain receptors are just irrelevant to me it doesn't know of its existence it doesn't
00:00:39.020 know of its pain so why does the pain matter if it doesn't know of it um can i just say if if you was
00:00:45.540 in um i have consciousness and self-awareness i'm not a blob yes i've never heard of anyone calling
00:00:53.520 it a blob but that that's crazy to me crazy can i just ask you a question no no no listen let me
00:00:59.260 just say if it was proven that um that you what if they thought you couldn't feel pain
00:01:08.060 i mean they still do that with a lot of female procedures when you was in a coma or something 1.00
00:01:13.820 yeah and they start doing poking you and putting needles in you and doing things and you woke up
00:01:21.880 and was able to say like hello i felt all that but it doesn't matter but it doesn't matter because
00:01:29.560 i have self-awareness and i would be able to experience the pain it wouldn't just be pain
00:01:34.860 receptors babies have been proven to you know like babies talk before they like younger they're getting
00:01:42.340 younger and younger and finding out that babies can talk and do things and memory is real memory is
00:01:49.360 real so how have you got no consciousness if you if you are so can you remember being in the womb
00:01:55.180 that would be impressive if he was not unconscious and someone beat you up and you woke up and you
00:02:00.540 had bruises all over your body would you not be upset about that if i was unconscious i wouldn't be
00:02:05.220 feeling anything would i yeah but it doesn't matter whether you're unconscious or not you still got
00:02:08.300 assaulted i don't know what point you're trying to get out i'm going to be honest because you're
00:02:13.040 when you're saying that if someone's unconscious or there's no consciousness of of of uh of uh
00:02:19.860 yes but it's temporary and then i wake up so it's not the same is it but the fact that you still got
00:02:24.800 beat up to get it it's not it's not the fact that you're unconscious you're talking about oh because
00:02:29.000 i'm unconscious it's fine it's fine because i'm on so if a woman gets if a woman gets and it's if a 0.86
00:02:33.420 woman gets great if great happened to a woman but she was unconscious it's fine because she was 0.99
00:02:37.660 unconscious right like that but that's basically what you're saying though no i'm not if you would
00:02:42.160 listen you said 15 months i exist as an entity with self-awareness yeah but it's different but
00:02:48.900 are you a scientist what difference do you do you no no you you've just googled stuff and you're
00:02:55.500 finding stuff have you physically done uh like uh anything and found things out for yourself
00:03:02.880 with a baby with a baby no no no have you have you with a newborn baby have you found anything
00:03:11.220 out yourself or are you just going off words of people that you don't even know what are you on
00:03:17.680 about everything you are saying everyone goes off everything other people have wrote written or read
00:03:23.040 or said yeah what is your point but my point is i don't take everything and go it's a blob
00:03:29.200 like that to me that to me you don't have to be that crude that to me it's like it's a blob come
00:03:36.680 on if you have consciousness why haven't you have you not got a soul are you soulless this is why i
00:03:43.820 told my story to start with so no everyone would think i'm a sociopath that's crazy to me i'm like in
00:03:49.540 the middle but that everything you just said that's offensive like like if you if it was your baby
00:03:56.320 imagine this if it was her baby imagine someone assaulted that newborn baby i'm mad i mean it's
00:04:04.620 okay it's okay it's okay it's okay it's all right my child got assaulted because it's okay i never said
00:04:09.260 this and a child is an existing entity okay but but you've just said it doesn't matter if they're
00:04:15.560 unconscious if they're unconscious and they've got no conscience what you're saying you're interpreting
00:04:19.740 things from what i've said that i but if it was your child it would be different right i don't make
00:04:24.800 arguments from emotion which is what you are doing but but if it was your child you're trying to make
00:04:30.280 oh if it was your child if you're saying i'm unemotional and sociopathic but also i'm making
00:04:36.820 no one said you're sociopathic you said you were sociopathic i know i sound that way you know but you
00:04:42.100 said that no one else has said that so you're putting that out there you are you that's the energy
00:04:47.280 you want you want people to believe that you're sociopathic and i don't know maybe it's for attention
00:04:52.040 maybe you're saying all this lobby stuff to get like uh viral that's just i don't know but that
00:04:58.860 but that is effed up i'm sorry that is next level soulless like come on if it was your baby i know for a
00:05:10.000 fact i would bet my life on it you would think different if it was your baby but it's not but you're
00:05:16.300 talking about all these different babies talking about a hundred percent if you had a baby it would
00:05:22.400 be different i think that what if you was upset about something that happened to your child because
00:05:27.540 it was unconscious and then someone else said it doesn't matter why your child's unconscious
00:05:31.920 get over it get over it because you're being dumb and conflating an actual child with a very early
00:05:37.520 i'm not being dumb you said that if some if an entity or a child or it doesn't matter if a human
00:05:43.040 is unconscious then it doesn't matter because they're not feeling anything say that well you
00:05:47.840 said that you want me to say what i said because everyone's i can tell you exactly what you said you
00:05:52.460 said that a child doesn't have um self-awareness to a certain age so that's why the pain doesn't
00:05:57.860 matter that's what you said the reason why is i don't value consciousness is because a child doesn't
00:06:13.000 pass the mirror test till then that doesn't mean i think that babies should be thrown in dumpsters
00:06:17.180 i think that they are protected if they're an early pregnancy that has never achieved a
00:06:32.060 consciousness that matters they will not be able to understand the pain example they used was if they
00:06:36.900 can't understand or understand or like live in the pain in some way this is like the last just makes up
00:06:45.240 words no we can actually rewind it because she said she said what she said that but she also
00:06:50.420 followed it up by saying it's a child up to a certain age can't pass the mirror test so the pain
00:06:58.160 doesn't matter i think we can actually you know it's life i think i think even pro-choice people are
00:07:05.160 gonna be like proper like flabbergasted by what you just said even pro-choice people i know even pro-choice
00:07:14.680 people are gonna be like what did you just say did you just i actually i'm so i am so like taken aback
00:07:23.820 by that like i feel like a lot of things i feel like you are going to make many pro-choice people
00:07:32.600 pro-life by what you just said like you're saying that they're using emotion to to get people you just
00:07:41.560 did the opposite used in you was like yes that's why i said i was that was like that was that was so
00:07:50.700 no one's saying heartless and and and i i i have no like like i'm actually i don't know if you can see
00:07:58.420 how shook i am yes i have no emotional so that is excuse me i have no emotional attachment to an
00:08:05.240 early pregnancy you've got no emotional attachment to yourself mate like you've got like psychoanalyze
00:08:10.940 so you literally you literally i just said that babies don't feel pain so it doesn't matter what
00:08:18.580 happens to them i said everyone should protect their child from you that is who they should protect like
00:08:26.380 that is crazy girl i already said when we end this like we're in actual baby no listen when we end 0.80
00:08:33.480 this we draw a line yeah and we're friends and whatever and we smile and we say hi and i'm not
00:08:38.400 going to be funny with you but i just want to make it clear i don't advocate for her like hurting
00:08:44.240 actual babies that have been born we know you said the pain doesn't but you said pain doesn't matter
00:08:48.880 this small no because they cannot experience well you said no no you said you said 15 months that's
00:08:55.980 very obviously you said you said up to 15 months they don't you said 15 months being born 15 months
00:09:04.240 being born how are we that's over one year old but i don't i don't understand if you listen to me
00:09:08.840 wait wait wait wait wait i don't understand when girls do this it's like how are we supposed to know 1.00
00:09:13.980 what you meant we go by listening to me no no no no no because we did we listened to what you said
00:09:19.960 and that was what you said well if you want me to explain it i can do the reason why i don't care
00:09:27.040 about consciousness is because there's no real valuable self-awareness in a in a baby but that
00:09:32.500 doesn't mean i want babies to be her i don't think babies should be and when i classify baby as a thing
00:09:37.500 that is being born that doesn't mean i don't think they should be protected and looked after because i want
00:09:42.180 our population to thrive if we just throw babies in dumpsters and treat them like shit that's bad 1.00
00:09:46.820 obviously that's a net negative for society in general but when we're talking about a blob which
00:09:52.800 is what i literally reference i think she's trying to say before it's been born i think she's trying
00:09:59.420 that's what she's trying is that what you're trying to say no she said 15 months
00:10:02.380 i'm just trying to give her a chance
00:10:10.840 wait wait wait
00:10:12.060 okay
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