Trans Man Gives His Thoughts On Trans Sports
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Summary
In this episode of the transphobia podcast, I speak to a trans woman about her experience of transitioning from male to female genital surgery and how it has affected her life. We discuss the pros and cons of the procedure, the risks and the benefits of it. We also talk about trans people in sports, trans women in sports and trans men in sports.
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all right tell me what's the nullification what is that um so it depends so for the female side
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that can when a female takes testosterone their clitoris like extends and turns into like
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a micro dick it's kind of gross but the kind of they keep that but they keep the vaginal entrance
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uh or no or they may have removed like the labia or something or parts of it and
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and with the males they might say they might keep the balls and the testicles but create a cavity
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or they might just remove the testicles or they might do an inversion without the depth so imagine
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what i had but zero depth so zero depth is way less uh that's preferred now by surgeons because it's
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got the highest success rate and the reason is it's way less invasive getting your dick like
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shredded is still pretty severe but having your pelvis removed like fucked with and stuff that
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like destroys your nerves but the the zero depth one is way way less impactful and because of that
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you have people who have a lot more sensation but there's no depth to it like it's zero depth it looks
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kind of real on the outside but there's nothing in there like you can't go in it's just
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zero depth what do you think about trans people in sports um
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um i think the question shouldn't be trans people in sports it's trans women in sports trans men and
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so trans men in sports there's that one boxer who he's a trans man and he's actually doing quite well
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he's knocked out a few male opponents but you could also argue that's a female who has jacked up on
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steroids because of the testosterone is that fair i don't know maybe maybe he's a he's a diamond a
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dozen because most trans men aren't really competing in any sports it's mainly trans women and it's mainly
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trans women who are a certain predisposition should i say that they don't get surgery they've
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what you would classically call or gynephiles i would say the ones who get a fetishistic sort of
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sexual kick from dressing as the wearer or the me in my opinion they very much get a
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sense of dominating others especially women i really feel that way and i think like leah thomas
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did leah thomas has piqued the world in ways that i could already dream of do you know what i mean
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by like just showing people that one photo with the swimming where they're diving all over the women
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like literally and you can see it and it's like it's just people seeing that reality really does break
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it and you've got the cyclists and it's just like they didn't just win the uk cyclists won by like
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five or six minutes like it was a crazy crazy lead it was like i went to a volleyball tournament
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where it was like mostly um where they let the trans people in or the trans the trans i don't know the
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dudes the dudes like into it basically and and it was so weird because it was just like a dude with a
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boob job i was like what the fuck like but but the crazy thing was they would like there was one
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like the the countries because it was an all nations tournament brazil and philippines i don't know what's
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going on in those two countries they have more than any especially the philippines i don't know what
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the hell is going on in the philippines but they had damn near had a whole team full of dudes and
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freaking they um wanted and it would be so weird because they would do something like manly
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and then they would like pull back like they would like hit the shit out of the ball and then they'd
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realize it was like too hard and you'd see them just kind of like kind of like draw off i'm like
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they they even know they can't do it all the way like they know they can't be too good like they'll
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like do something crazy well they'll get it up and then it's like they'll they'll try to bring
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it was so weird i always thought trans like women in sports was always a bit of a red flag anyway
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because most of us hated sports like you know what i mean like uh like the ones who are gay at least
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like we just fucking hated it not that we went physically active it was just like no desire to
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compete you know what i mean it's just like not in us and it's again it's a it's a very dominating
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thing to and the gal the gal to enter a woman's competition and being their chain like the stuff
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in the changing rooms is horrific what um is it riley um oh riley canes yeah yeah yeah she like what
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she said about what layev's done is just like totally invasive and unnecessary there's no
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there's no need for that it's absolutely it's a violation of boundaries and at every level
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and the confrontation and but i do love that one photo where leo's just standing with the
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the trophy and the the rest are just kind of grouped up together kind of hugging and i thought that was
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really a powerful image that because that kind of shows you that they themselves weren't really happy
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with it either well and i was um the thing is i i played volleyball for 12 years uh actually i think
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i might have been 16 i had a long time i don't know i was i'm 26 so i was like 10 or 12 something
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like that and it's like women's sports has no opportunity like literally not there's no money
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i'm probably top like one percent in terms of how far i've taken it i can maybe make two grand a month
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and like do you know i mean like making it to the top like one percent of a skill in any industry you
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think you'd make money not women's yeah um but the thing start there is some change happening like
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in the uk there is a big push for like to support the women's football and stuff like that but even
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they the you know what i mean it's so competitive but my my point isn't even about the pay i think we
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deserve less money we're not as entertaining it just is what it is and my point is that
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it's like we'll work so hard and there's such little opportunity so it's like when we start
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having people come in and taking like the things that like like it's like there's barely any trophies
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okay there's barely any like winning in these sports because it's just not it's just an l industry okay
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and i'm like you're gonna take away the scholarships that we barely have
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yeah um to to dudes i'm like yeah i really do think that's tragic i said this to um on a trans
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panel on vice like they put me on and they were just telling me to be more confident they're like
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why don't you just be more confident and beat them i'm like what the i can't like because i i was
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thinking they're in now beat them it's your problem not our problem bye yeah yeah i'm top one percent
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of height for women i'm so that means i means i'm six foot to put this into per in perspective so
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out of every 100 women one is taller than me i was still short in sports i was still short my
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to get a scholarship it would have been ideal to be six two i was still considered short wow
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that's how competitive it is and i'm like the top 15 percent of men are over six foot
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even just at height alone it's like does that competitive angle also not apply to men though
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because there's still that nature and the fact that they still have to compete within themselves
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to well you were saying that like the the top one percent of women are like they're gonna be like
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six like a little bit taller than you right you know um but with men that doesn't really matter
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because it's all dependent on who's the best of that category anyway it just kind of feels like it's
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i think men's sports obviously have always naturally got a lot more attention and women's
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have always taken a back seat because they never really had it as long as uh the men's sports have
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but honestly i'm not i'm not the person to speak to about sport generally i just think oh all i can say
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is an observer watching someone like leah dominate with the goal the absolute fucking goal to do that
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because they know they know that they know that they're faster they know that they've got an
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advantage and the goal to do a competition and international like the competition was huge as
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well on televised it's just like no that takes that's fucking insane the thing is i i know like
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the riley gains or whatever it's like we literally train i'm like i know how bad as a female athlete you
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want to win a national title that is like the ultimate like that is what you dream of like
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from the time you're a kid like it's like from 10 years old you want to win a national title that's
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always like in the back of your mind and i'm like so you she worked her whole life to her senior year
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of college she's got one shot left and i'm like i can't even imagine putting 16 years like think about
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it that's 16 years of work just to have that that didn't happen to me like the the dudes coming in
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that that just started this year and i'm leaving england like i'm done playing so it doesn't really
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matter but i just i couldn't even imagine if that happened when i was playing like i i would kill
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somebody yeah um i also think maybe there needs to be some rules like if you previously competed in one
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sport as like even if you're pre-transition that you should kind of be in a way so especially for
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the males like kind of locked in because like leah was like what was their rank it was like 435th or
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something daft it was like way from the top one and that now all of a sudden the number one and it's
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like come on they shouldn't they shouldn't have been allowed to do it like having them in was
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and again and i know this may sound weird but leah was allowed to compete yeah she was she was given
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um the opportunity to compete if the mechanisms were there i don't know what happened in the
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background with leah trying to like force the way in but somebody behind leah in whoever runs these
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competitions at one point said yes it is acceptable to allow this male to compete so how much of this
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is all like leah again has got a lot of gal and does take responsibility but leah and people like leah
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are being invited they're being encouraged to do this and it's like again i kind of not understand but
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i see it as a two-dimensional issue leah was allowed to do that like she shouldn't have been
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allowed to do that and it's so weird because when um the trans tournament i was telling you about in
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england when i was asking because i went to go see my friend play my friend was playing at it i played in
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that tournament last year but i just didn't register in time and so i asked the tournament director i'm
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like what you know this is wrong i'm like this is like this is crazy and he's just like well i just do
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with the government it's like weird they become like programmed it's like oh i just do what the
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governing body says i just do with the governing body and i'm like yeah but okay is there someone
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i can complain to this is like this is wrong and it's just it's so weird it's like some people don't
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care enough as well like they because especially when they're not impacted themselves it's like
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why should i do that extra effort to find out this this is the way it is so deal with it you know
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what i mean yeah yeah well um i enjoyed most of this conversation not the parts they're kind of
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gross i won't even lie to you no no it is it is you're allowed you you shouldn't say that you should
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say that like we would need to stop hiding behind these things oh it's terrible it's gross like
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it's brutal it's horrible it's horrifying it's disgusting say it say it out aloud that's so nasty
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um but i do think this stuff's important because i yeah i can't even imagine taking a bunch of
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just from the autistic people i know i'm just imagining like a bunch of autistic people
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like that is predatory that is it is it is um tell the people where they can find you you know
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you can find me on twitter at tulip r so that's t-u-l-l-i-p-r um and there's links on my profile
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to my youtube and me writing and stuff like that but um that's where i'm the most active i've got a
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very tiny youtube channel but it's very it all it is is just a video diary it's not really like a
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it's not nothing like this you know what i mean now and i'm not hoping for it to be like that it's
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more about me documenting how i recover from this and kind of because i am still untangling a lot of
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the webs a lot of the the like what i call a brain worm like the ideas that burrow deep that you like
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you were better off trans you you're actually a woman you've got dysphoria all these ideas you can't
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just pick them out you've got to really draw them out and extract them and think it through it takes a
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lot and that's what that is but yes you can find us on twitter sorry i just bought one you're fine
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you're fine yeah um would you ever do a trans panel like um we do sometimes we do panels every
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couple months with like trans versus non-trans basically yeah but i will say as a caveat that
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the i don't think it should be detrans versus trans because i think we're very much got the same
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issues and problems in some regards we've got ideological differences and i'm happy to discuss
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them but pitted against each other when ultimately i think a lot of our goals are quite alignment i
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don't think any trans person wants to be harmed by surgery and i don't think they want anyone who
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really doesn't want surgery get pushed into surgery um and i think we're it's all about finding
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what common ground do i have yeah well i just meant um have you ever seen those jubilee shows
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no you should you should look at them i just meant two people on opposite ends of the spectrum
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and then we just talk about like yeah maybe yeah we'll see we'll see yeah it's up to you i'll just
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put you on a list and yeah put us on the list i'm already on lots of lists as it is
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okay um well thank you so much i appreciate it guys make sure go follow the twitter follow the youtube
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