Louder with Crowder - The Man Behind the COVID-19 Panic! | Ep 672 Louder with Crowder

00:00:00.000 You're a strange animal, that's what I know You're a strange animal, I come to follow 0.87

00:00:27.000 I'm a strange animal That's called the virtual fighter slash Tekken slash Dead

00:00:34.000 or Alive Remember they used to do that in the video game?

00:00:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:00:38.000 It's like they really wanted to let you know that it had human-like motions, and half of the fight was just starting to be going like...

00:00:46.000 A lot of showboating.

00:00:46.000 Yeah.

00:00:49.000 By the way, on the show today, we have Dave Rubin with a new book.

00:00:53.000 Lovely, lovely gentleman.

00:00:55.000 Rube.

00:00:55.000 Wonderful little sprite.

00:00:56.000 And then we have a half-Asian lawyer.

00:00:58.000 Bill Richmond is here.

00:01:00.000 Hey.

00:01:00.000 Corridor Black Garrett, audio way.

00:01:02.000 Too Cute Maddie makes me throw up in my mouth a bit. 0.63

00:01:02.000 Hey, what's going on? 0.63

00:01:04.000 She's so cute.

00:01:06.000 And G. Morgan Jr., how are you, sir?

00:01:07.000 Well, how are you?

00:01:08.000 You don't have a wine?

00:01:08.000 No!

00:01:09.000 This is technically kind of our last Thursday show, because this Thursday is the finale to Mug Club Quarantine Month.

00:01:16.000 Again, you can enter in the promo code QUARANTINE to get $30 off at louderwithcreditor.com slash mug club.

00:01:20.000 But this Thursday, we'll be watching a live press briefing, then fact-checking CNN for three hours or four hours.

00:01:27.000 I don't know.

00:01:28.000 Oh, Lord.

00:01:29.000 Can we put a limit on it, please?

00:01:31.000 Well, I'll tap out at some point.

00:01:35.000 The only reason to shoot him longer is because we just wanted to make it to Cuomo.

00:01:39.000 Yeah. 0.87

00:01:39.000 Oh. 0.87

00:01:40.000 Because that's really where the jokes are gonna land.

00:01:42.000 When I'm hoping his wife is a guest.

00:01:45.000 Crystal?

00:01:45.000 Is that her name?

00:01:46.000 Uh, what is her name?

00:01:47.000 Christina?

00:01:47.000 That's a cartoon character!

00:01:51.000 Chris and Christina Cuomo.

00:01:53.000 Uh, Chris?

00:01:54.000 Christina! 0.96

00:01:55.000 Sorry, Christina?

00:01:56.000 Chris!

00:01:57.000 Whatever.

00:01:59.000 Who is on first?

00:02:00.000 You know we've got giveaways on Thursday.

00:02:06.000 That's right, we have giveaways on Thursday.

00:02:08.000 We have a ton of guests.

00:02:09.000 We're going to have Donald Trump Jr.

00:02:11.000 I believe we have, who else do we have on the show on Thursday?

00:02:14.000 Hodge Twin, Brian Cowan, Nick DiPaolo, maybe Greg Abbott.

00:02:19.000 I'm not entirely sure.

00:02:20.000 Oh, that would be great.

00:02:21.000 But it's going to be a lot of fun.

00:02:22.000 It's going to be big.

00:02:23.000 And then of course tomorrow is Good Morning Mug Club and we have our live in studio Jocko roast.

00:02:28.000 Jocko one.

00:02:29.000 We have our Jocko correspondent there.

00:02:29.000 That's right.

00:02:30.000 Very nice.

00:02:31.000 Who's phone is that?

00:02:32.000 Whose phone is that?

00:02:33.000 Who do I have to crucify upside down in a peace symbol that is what they used to paint on the churches that Bolsheviks managed to successfully close? 0.91

00:02:44.000 Wow.

00:02:47.000 Wait, that's all we're getting?

00:02:48.000 We need more phone rings?

00:02:52.000 I cannot confirm that, but there are multiple theories as to what the piece means.

00:02:55.000 We do have a few people, just so you know, in the live audience.

00:02:57.000 It's like five people in the corner here.

00:03:00.000 So my question of the day is at this point, before we move on, we will be talking about the man behind the number of 2.2 million deaths.

00:03:08.000 For those who are keeping a tally, not even close.

00:03:11.000 No.

00:03:12.000 Right.

00:03:13.000 So seeing how the experts got this so wrong, how much more or less likely are you to believe them the next time?

00:03:20.000 So I don't want YouTube or Facebook to remove this like they have content from actual doctors who are out there in the field.

00:03:26.000 You know, our heroes.

00:03:27.000 But not if they speak out about their actual antibody testing.

00:03:31.000 Are you concerned at all that this is going to prevent people from being prepared in the future because they'll look back on this and say, but you're the boy who cried coronavirus.

00:03:39.000 You're the boy who cried coronavirus.

00:03:42.000 It works better that way.

00:03:43.000 We'll move on.

00:03:43.000 We'll talk about all of that and why these models weren't accurate versus real world data that we have available to us now.

00:03:50.000 But first, don't be this broad.

00:03:52.000 You won't get arrested if the cops come.

00:03:56.000 Wait, can we go over there?

00:03:57.000 Is that crazy enough for you?

00:03:59.000 You are closed!

00:03:59.000 Can we go over there?

00:04:01.000 The whole area!

00:04:05.000 Get it through your thick head!

00:04:07.000 You are the reason we are in this situation! 0.99

00:04:09.000 You are the problem!

00:04:11.000 Karen's got a Karen. 0.83

00:04:14.000 What happened to holding hands?

00:04:17.000 We are the world! 0.99

00:04:18.000 I'm trying to save your life goes to die. 1.00

00:04:21.000 I'm not just trying to save your ass and save your life. 1.00

00:04:23.000 But die, okay? 1.00

00:04:25.000 I hope both of you get the coronavirus. 1.00

00:04:27.000 I hope you both die a long, painful death. 1.00

00:04:29.000 Oh lord. 1.00

00:04:31.000 What happened to holding hands? We are the world.

00:04:33.000 I'm trying to save your life goes to die. 1.00

00:04:35.000 I'm trying to save your life before I send you to hell! 1.00

00:04:39.000 I didn't think she believed it, Al. 1.00

00:04:41.000 So that I may kill you! 0.79

00:04:43.000 Did anyone else think that that looked like Bradley Cooper from Silver Linings Playbook, where he's like jogging around in a white sweatsuit? 0.97

00:04:50.000 Yeah, a little bit.

00:04:51.000 I don't know, and I don't believe in hitting women. 1.00

00:04:54.000 So in North Carolina... That's a good thing.

00:04:56.000 It's fake.

00:04:58.000 In related news... We'll get to the modeling in a little bit.

00:05:01.000 But first, in North Carolina, a woman actually... People are going crazy right now. 1.00

00:05:03.000 They're getting a little stir crazy.

00:05:04.000 This happened in North Carolina.

00:05:05.000 A woman opened fire on cell tower workers.

00:05:09.000 Hundreds of feet in the air.

00:05:10.000 This comes from a local affiliate.

00:05:12.000 Susan Moose has been charged with assault with a deadly weapon, or she was, after court documents state that she fired a .22 revolver at a cell phone tower worker.

00:05:21.000 Should be noted all charges were dropped, however, when authorities learned that the man in question worked for Sprint.

00:05:27.000 Justifiable homicide.

00:05:30.000 Not a SoftBank guy.

00:05:34.000 Little bit of stock market humor.

00:05:36.000 Little bit of Nasdaq.

00:05:40.000 Experts, by the way, they're saying that dogs could get extreme separation anxiety when this quarantine ends.

00:05:47.000 And this comes from the New York Post.

00:05:48.000 With such an overload of quality time with their families, dogs are building up a huge reservoir of over-dependency.

00:05:55.000 They're concerned about that. 0.98

00:05:56.000 Now, the veterinary experts in question, they did note, however, that on the other side of the spectrum, some canines will, in fact, just, quote, need some fucking space. 0.97

00:06:04.000 So that seems... 0.97

00:06:07.000 Hey, they can come to my house.

00:06:09.000 I told you, bits not kibble!

00:06:13.000 Also, Taylor Swift, by the way, cancelled all of her 2020 tour dates.

00:06:16.000 That's great news!

00:06:18.000 She cancelled both of them.

00:06:21.000 She cancelled both 2020 tour dates due to the coronavirus, and some are calling this the worst thing to happen to Taylor Swift fans since the AIDS epidemic.

00:06:31.000 That's tough on them, yeah.

00:06:32.000 It's a tough day.

00:06:32.000 Yeah, it is.

00:06:33.000 It hits them the hardest.

00:06:34.000 Liza Minnelli fans.

00:06:36.000 2021 is coming to us.

00:06:38.000 By the way, this is something that, have you been following the outrage recently of the Star Wars, how they've sort of been going social justice?

00:06:44.000 I don't, I have a wife.

00:06:45.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:06:46.000 They've been getting a lot of trouble right now because they've been trying to push people left and use Star Wars, I guess.

00:06:51.000 You've been telling me about this, Quarterback. 0.98

00:06:52.000 It sucks. 0.99

00:06:52.000 As like a platform. 0.99

00:06:53.000 Yeah, we're putting all kinds of SJW stuff in there.

00:06:56.000 So the new Star Wars writers, the feminist writers, they actually want to, and they talked about this, I think we have a clip, they want more diverse representation and they also want to learn how to be better allies.

00:07:07.000 I think it's worth it if you're in a position of hiring power or green lighting power to reach out to people that are not like you and say, what can I do to be an ally?

00:07:19.000 Yeah.

00:07:20.000 That's Harvey Weinstein's secretary, by the way.

00:07:23.000 Really?

00:07:24.000 I worked at Weinstein for six years.

00:07:26.000 Oh! 0.60

00:07:27.000 Wow.

00:07:27.000 What a surprise.

00:07:28.000 She's moved on, yeah. 0.97

00:07:29.000 And she's a lesbian. 1.00

00:07:30.000 She is a lesbian, yeah. 1.00

00:07:31.000 I just think she's safe.

00:07:32.000 I think that was the case she made to Weinstein.

00:07:35.000 Do all straight women have to service you into a plastic ficus? 1.00

00:07:40.000 I'm a lesbian. 0.99

00:07:41.000 So, it should be noted, these producers, these writers that have been making the runs, they are satisfied with their diverse, allied representation in the upcoming prequel, Star Wars, The Empire Sucks C**k. Oh, Jesus. 0.98

00:07:52.000 Look at that. 0.52

00:07:53.000 I was going back and rewriting history.

00:07:54.000 Come on, Jesus.

00:07:55.000 Feel the force running through you.

00:07:58.000 No! 1.00

00:08:00.000 Really dumb. 1.00

00:08:00.000 Is that how Africans ever place the lightsabers on dildos? 1.00

00:08:04.000 I'm gonna get all that gumboises. 0.69

00:08:13.000 I apologize.

00:08:14.000 But I don't!

00:08:16.000 So terrible.

00:08:17.000 So you may have seen... This is a great last Thursday show on a Tuesday.

00:08:20.000 Oh, we're burning it down, baby!

00:08:22.000 Half of these were scrapyard.

00:08:24.000 And they should have stayed there.

00:08:26.000 Oh, yes.

00:08:27.000 So you may have seen this, by the way.

00:08:28.000 AOC, you know, she thinks... This is a clip that's been making the rounds, but for context, we need to reintroduce it that she thinks people should never go back to work.

00:08:35.000 When we have this discussion about going back or reopening, I think a lot of people should just say, no, we're not going back to that.

00:08:46.000 Okay.

00:08:46.000 So we make fun of her.

00:08:48.000 We do.

00:08:49.000 How does this woman, how much are you representative? 1.00

00:08:51.000 Do you think the founding fathers ever took this into account?

00:08:55.000 They could have never seen this coming.

00:08:56.000 I mean, if they could get into a horse buggy DeLorean and travel to today and see AOC, we're going to have to make some changes.

00:09:05.000 Alright guys, get a new piece of paper. 1.00

00:09:07.000 The idiots are coming! 1.00

00:09:08.000 The idiots are coming! 1.00

00:09:09.000 Does anyone wonder, I mean, she keeps saying don't go back to work, but isn't that what communism requires? 1.00

00:09:13.000 That you have to have a certain number of people who are working?

00:09:16.000 Right.

00:09:17.000 But what is the whole, like, we're not gonna work thing? 0.96

00:09:19.000 You know, I don't think she, it's lost on her, obviously, and that's a salient point, but the irony is lost on her also that she'd be dead because they killed the retarded. 0.99

00:09:26.000 It's a calling.

00:09:30.000 We do make fun of her, obviously, but AOC, she does have, to her credit, a long history of speaking out against oppressive, tyrannical rulers.

00:09:37.000 She's a regular Daniel in the Lion's Den. 0.99

00:09:42.000 Boy, that bitch sure can talk. 1.00

00:09:52.000 Yeah, it's like, we get it. 1.00

00:09:54.000 Twelve years, famines, pestilence.

00:09:57.000 Get a new thing, lady. 1.00

00:09:59.000 Yeah.

00:09:59.000 Alright, well, uh, just check back tomorrow and see if God protects her or whatever.

00:10:04.000 Sunrise o'clock!

00:10:05.000 Alright, see ya.

00:10:06.000 Oh, pull it from under. 0.99

00:10:10.000 See if God protects her or whatever.

00:10:21.000 You see?

00:10:23.000 This is the new Brendan Living Translator.

00:10:27.000 I'd read that one.

00:10:28.000 Very eloquent, yes.

00:10:30.000 Man, I feel like I'm back in youth group, just reading that New Kids Bible.

00:10:33.000 Really?

00:10:35.000 Your youth group was a problem.

00:10:37.000 I just had those precious moments, folks.

00:10:40.000 I just read the inside of Creed album covers.

00:10:43.000 I assumed that was God speaking to me.

00:10:47.000 Turns out it was just a free ticket for their reunion tour.

00:10:49.000 Hey, what are the tweets of the week there, Court of Black Carrot?

00:10:52.000 Look, we got so much stuff.

00:10:54.000 A lot of wishes for good mornings.

00:10:55.000 A lot of new Mug Clubbers getting their mugs. 0.96

00:10:57.000 Wow, look at that.

00:11:00.000 That one guy has a really red beard.

00:11:04.000 Good for him.

00:11:05.000 You know, he could have been a conquistador, that guy.

00:11:08.000 They had red beards?

00:11:10.000 They're white really?

00:11:11.000 Some of them were.

00:11:12.000 Some of them had red beards.

00:11:13.000 Are you assuming what race they are?

00:11:14.000 You ever been to Spain?

00:11:15.000 You ever been to Spain?

00:11:16.000 Do you know where Spain is?

00:11:17.000 It's not in Mexico.

00:11:17.000 I neither can confirm nor deny.

00:11:20.000 Is it in Ireland?

00:11:22.000 Spaniards have red hair? 0.94

00:11:27.000 You know this!

00:11:27.000 Come on Mr. International there!

00:11:29.000 I was pointing to you half-Asian Bill, you're the only international. 1.00

00:11:33.000 I was just laughing at the wine guy not knowing where Spain is.

00:11:37.000 No, but I reject your premise.

00:11:39.000 I know where Spain is located.

00:11:41.000 You reject that Spaniards can have red hair?

00:11:43.000 No, I don't.

00:11:44.000 I have no idea.

00:11:45.000 What are you arguing?

00:11:47.000 Don Quixote, you're swinging at windmills, man!

00:11:51.000 I'm actually swinging at you.

00:11:53.000 Well.

00:11:53.000 I'm missing, that's the problem.

00:11:54.000 Yeah, you're missing big time.

00:11:56.000 I will be your windmill.

00:11:58.000 Who was the Sancho Panza?

00:12:01.000 He was his little sidekick, right?

00:12:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:03.000 Sancho Panza, the original Ed McMahon, showed up to those windmills with a big-ass check.

00:12:08.000 Always good for a laugh.

00:12:11.000 I was born in the wrong time.

00:12:12.000 You guys remember, well a lot of you probably have forgotten, but don't you, I remember, I remember when the death toll was going to be 2.2 million.

00:12:23.000 Way back.

00:12:23.000 Way back, what started all of this, right?

00:12:27.000 It was going to be 2.2 million deaths in the United States, 500,000 in the UK.

00:12:32.000 Those were the numbers that we heard and we had to act now, just in case you think I'm making it up.

00:12:39.000 The British, rocked by a startling UK report warning of a catastrophic epidemic.

00:12:44.000 The same research suggesting without any action, 2.2 million Americans could die.

00:12:50.000 If the U.S.

00:12:50.000 doesn't take these steps, 2.2 million Americans could die.

00:12:54.000 Peter Navarro, who you saw on our air yesterday, he wrote two memos trying to warn the White House that coronavirus could cost the country trillions of dollars and kill up to 2 million Americans.

00:13:07.000 In this fight against a pandemic that the White House has been warned could kill over 2 million Americans, more Americans than died at every war since 1776.

00:13:18.000 Without the strict social distancing, that number could be as high as 2 million Americans.

00:13:24.000 I realize what Scarborough looks like.

00:13:26.000 It looks like a hedgehog.

00:13:27.000 Yes!

00:13:28.000 Like the little eyes.

00:13:29.000 Like, hey, do you want food?

00:13:31.000 And it just rolls up and looks at you.

00:13:35.000 And then you want to scratch it.

00:13:36.000 Do you want Mika?

00:13:37.000 Do you want to pretend to be a conservative?

00:13:41.000 I don't like him.

00:13:42.000 So, just to be clear, the virus is not, but that 2.2 million number was a hoax.

00:13:46.000 The number was a hoax.

00:13:49.000 2.2 million, Bigfoot, Kavanaugh rape, Balloon Boy.

00:13:53.000 Cavities.

00:13:54.000 Wait, Balloon Boy's not real?

00:13:59.000 Still one of the greatest moments in television history.

00:14:01.000 Do you remember that, when the dad was interviewed?

00:14:03.000 What happened?

00:14:04.000 They asked the son.

00:14:04.000 He goes, well, he told me to go hide in the closet.

00:14:07.000 The dad's like, yeah.

00:14:10.000 I'm going to prison.

00:14:12.000 He's thinking about some minimum security resort. 0.98

00:14:16.000 What a nut, that kid.

00:14:17.000 That kid ruined it for his whole family.

00:14:19.000 They could have had one hell of a book deal.

00:14:22.000 I want to be clear.

00:14:23.000 Where did this number come from?

00:14:24.000 Because this was ubiquitous, right?

00:14:25.000 This is the number that everybody believed, and we had to act, and we had to take drastic measures because 2.2 million, and we know the numbers.

00:14:32.000 It couldn't be possible in the United States if you actually look at our demographics and you look at the media.

00:14:37.000 It's not a possibility here in the United States.

00:14:39.000 It could have never been a possibility.

00:14:41.000 But let me introduce you to the founder of the Feast, the man who came up with this number, Dr. Neil Ferguson from the Imperial College in London.

00:14:49.000 He is the one, again, responsible for the 2.2 million Americans will die number. 0.71

00:14:53.000 Here he is advocating, you know, China-style lockdowns.

00:14:57.000 I will now speak with Professor Neil Ferguson, Director of the Abdul Latif Jameel Institute for Disease and Emergency Analytics, or JIDE for short.

00:15:06.000 Beyond those smaller outbreaks, one has to adopt the sort of community measures which have been adopted, particularly in places like Wuhan in China, where you try to reduce contacts between people in the community.

00:15:18.000 Did that camera suck his soul out of his body?

00:15:22.000 He blends in with the pasty background.

00:15:24.000 Wuhan.

00:15:25.000 Yeah, and did you see this thing on CNN where they're actually sending people to Wuhan and we're supposed to celebrate how people are able to go to work?

00:15:33.000 They're reopening!

00:15:33.000 Yeah, the wet markets and all this.

00:15:35.000 We should only reopen it as the next Hiroshima. 1.00

00:15:40.000 Is it Hiroshima?

00:15:41.000 Hiroshima?

00:15:42.000 I've heard both.

00:15:43.000 I think point was made.

00:15:45.000 The point is Terminator 2.

00:15:47.000 That's what I want to see.

00:15:49.000 In Wuhan.

00:15:49.000 Of course, clear it out first.

00:15:50.000 We'll drop some leaflets.

00:15:51.000 Sanitization.

00:15:56.000 Can you send me as a correspondent?

00:15:57.000 Yes, that would be awesome.

00:16:00.000 Apparently Bill just admitted suicide.

00:16:01.000 I hope you don't have a life insurance policy.

00:16:03.000 I already bought a ticket.

00:16:05.000 I'm ready to go.

00:16:05.000 Have you ever been to Wuhan?

00:16:06.000 Nope, never been.

00:16:07.000 You've been to Hong Kong though, right?

00:16:08.000 I've been many times.

00:16:10.000 Does anyone go to Wuhan?

00:16:11.000 Do they have any tourist industry?

00:16:12.000 No, it doesn't exist.

00:16:13.000 I can't imagine.

00:16:14.000 Just bats and diseases.

00:16:16.000 Well, there's a biological hazard.

00:16:17.000 I heard it's nice this time of year.

00:16:19.000 Studying lab.

00:16:22.000 So why is this important?

00:16:24.000 Well, it's important because it's a number that we all use, but there's a real pattern here.

00:16:27.000 Again, while we're talking about Doctor... I keep forgetting his name.

00:16:30.000 I know Dr. Neil.

00:16:31.000 You know what?

00:16:32.000 From now on, I'm going to call him Neil for short.

00:16:34.000 Neil deGrasse Tyson.

00:16:36.000 This guy has a pattern.

00:16:38.000 So we'll start with the coronavirus.

00:16:39.000 But this is important because everyone has used him, they've cited him.

00:16:41.000 And I think this is important to keep in mind when we talk about the experts.

00:16:44.000 Because everyone says this, whether you're talking about climate change, even if you're just saying, hey, listen, I believe the Earth is warming.

00:16:48.000 I believe that human beings are contributing to it.

00:16:50.000 I don't believe that the Paris Agreement will necessarily change it.

00:16:55.000 The same case where they say, well, right now, if you don't believe that 2.2 million Americans will die, well, then why are you questioning the experts?

00:16:59.000 Well, Let me present a case as to why sometimes you should question the experts and do your own due diligence.

00:17:04.000 So, let's look at the coronavirus numbers.

00:17:06.000 He came up with a 2.2 million number, and he refused to release the workings of the study.

00:17:12.000 The model is based on a 13-year-old code that is completely undocumented.

00:17:17.000 Okay?

00:17:18.000 I want to be clear about that.

00:17:20.000 And you know what else is, this is like the 77 cents on the dollar with Barack Obama when he was out there saying, women make 77, and you're going, does he not have access to even Bing, even if he doesn't have Google?

00:17:29.000 If he's in communist China, web crawler for crying out loud. 0.67

00:17:33.000 You wonder, hold on a second, why does nobody in power have the ability to question this number?

00:17:38.000 Because this is the source of the number and no one goes like, hey, yeah, what's your reference there?

00:17:44.000 Doesn't that matter if we're going to shut down economies? 0.96

00:17:46.000 And you know that he has no problem with it.

00:17:48.000 Let's go back through all of his other predictions, okay?

00:17:50.000 Consider an authority, an expert on the issue.

00:17:52.000 In 2009, this man, Dr. Neal, he estimated that swine flu had a 0.4% death rate.

00:17:57.000 Based on his advice, a government in the UK, they estimated 65,000 dead.

00:18:03.000 What actually happened, 457 deaths.

00:18:05.000 The death rate was 0.026%.

00:18:06.000 So that's a little bit off.

00:18:10.000 And for me, I put it in financial terms for you.

00:18:11.000 That's like saying you're going to make a million dollars in profit and making $7,000.

00:18:14.000 Yeah.

00:18:14.000 That'd be significant.

00:18:16.000 Just for some context.

00:18:17.000 That's going to be a crappy cruise!

00:18:20.000 Hope you bought it before the pandemic ceased.

00:18:23.000 Bird flu was another one he made a prediction.

00:18:24.000 I mean, you guys know.

00:18:25.000 Actually, as a matter of fact, I could say that for all of these.

00:18:30.000 Credit where credit's due, okay?

00:18:32.000 You can at least call us consistent.

00:18:34.000 The capital of virus.

00:18:35.000 So, the bird flu, again, Dr. Neal, what did he say?

00:18:38.000 He said in 2005, I believe, right, Neal?

00:18:39.000 Is that what he said?

00:18:40.000 In 2005?

00:18:40.000 Neil, is that what he said? In 2005? Yeah, 2005. He predicted 200 million bird flu deaths.

00:18:45.000 Wow.

00:18:46.000 People, not birds.

00:18:47.000 People.

00:18:48.000 Right, yes, people.

00:18:49.000 From bird flu.

00:18:51.000 Sorry, from bird flu.

00:18:52.000 I should have... I don't want to get fact-checked by who... I was screwing with him.

00:18:57.000 PETA, they're coming for you. 0.95

00:18:59.000 What happened to the good, or who, they just had a few upturned noses and some wire left from the Grinch.

00:19:04.000 Now they're dominating world economies.

00:19:07.000 Oh my gosh. 0.99

00:19:07.000 Screw them. 0.99

00:19:08.000 So the reality is there were only a few hundred in a decade, right, bird flu deaths.

00:19:13.000 Less than a hundred per year on average.

00:19:15.000 And keep in mind, by the way, because right now they say, well, we didn't hit 2.2 million.

00:19:19.000 We didn't hit 100 to 240,000 because of the lockdowns.

00:19:23.000 No, actually, the numbers were revised long before the social distancing could have taken effect.

00:19:28.000 And then again, you can look here at the bird flu.

00:19:30.000 This was done without massive lockdowns.

00:19:31.000 You were alive during the bird flu.

00:19:33.000 Do you remember this kind of a crash to the economy?

00:19:36.000 Do you remember everyone being forced to stay in place at home?

00:19:39.000 Yeah, no, it's kind of weird, too.

00:19:40.000 Dr. Ferguson seems like he needed to one-up the WHO.

00:19:43.000 Like, if they weren't quite wrong enough, they came out and said $150 million.

00:19:47.000 He's like, ha ha, I can beat that.

00:19:48.000 Yes.

00:19:49.000 I've got $200 million.

00:19:49.000 Just scream louder like a kid at a grade school Christmas pageant.

00:19:53.000 Like, he wants to- Did you hear me, Mom?

00:19:56.000 We did.

00:19:56.000 $2.2 million.

00:19:58.000 Go on.

00:19:59.000 Go on.

00:19:59.000 Let's go on down to Silent Night, okay?

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00:20:24.000 Here's another one.

00:20:26.000 Another prediction.

00:20:26.000 It was the, you know, what was it called?

00:20:28.000 Like the foot and mouth disease?

00:20:30.000 Yeah.

00:20:30.000 I don't know the virological nomenclature.

00:20:34.000 Epidemiological.

00:20:36.000 I just remember foot and mouth disease, which this guy does a lot.

00:20:38.000 The hoof and mouth.

00:20:39.000 So it was, he had a model, right, in his Imperial, a team at the Imperial College.

00:20:43.000 They suggested millions of farm animals, okay, would have to be killed to prevent the spread, even if at the point there was no evidence of infection, okay?

00:20:53.000 Now, what happened?

00:20:54.000 Animal disease.

00:20:55.000 Experts.

00:20:56.000 Keep in mind, experts.

00:20:57.000 So an expert said, hey, this is going to spread. 1.00

00:20:59.000 We have to kill all these animals. 1.00

00:21:00.000 And other experts said, well, okay, let's, massacre. 1.00

00:21:04.000 They said it looked like they had a culling.

00:21:06.000 It was necessary, right?

00:21:07.000 Because the model from, for example, it turns out that actually it was not necessary.

00:21:12.000 They didn't take into account the species composition of farms.

00:21:14.000 This is something that I read from some kind of, sort of an epidemiological study.

00:21:18.000 I don't really know what it means.

00:21:19.000 But I do know that it was too late.

00:21:20.000 Millions of animals had been killed.

00:21:21.000 It cost the British economy 10 billion, well actually 12.5 billion American dollars.

00:21:27.000 Sometimes in my head I have to convert it from Euros to Canadian dollars, and I have to convert it to American dollars by how much we paid for N64 games.

00:21:35.000 Why do you go to Canadian, and then down? 1.00

00:21:37.000 I was raised in a stupid place. 1.00

00:21:40.000 Why you gotta call him out, man? 1.00

00:21:41.000 You know he's from Canada.

00:21:42.000 Why you gotta rub it in his face?

00:21:43.000 You know, I thought he was past it. 0.99

00:21:44.000 It is disgusting. 0.58

00:21:45.000 He tries to forget about it.

00:21:46.000 This is all important, because even if you look at this right here, where they called these animals, right?

00:21:49.000 It cost 12.5 billion dollars.

00:21:51.000 It shows you that Dr. Neil, whose head comes to a point, is not...

00:21:56.000 He's not scared.

00:21:57.000 He has no problem with destroying an economy with panic.

00:22:00.000 He's done it in the past.

00:22:01.000 Exactly.

00:22:02.000 I think the bigger thing we're throwing at him is not the fact that he's a conehead, but that he's wrong in everything that he does.

00:22:07.000 But he is from the Imperial College.

00:22:08.000 The rest of the experts were just from regular universities.

00:22:11.000 But in this study, the reason that they ended up killing so many more animals is because they didn't realize how the virus would spread between different species.

00:22:18.000 That seems like a good point.

00:22:19.000 Be like, well, just the cows. 1.00

00:22:20.000 Well, now let's kill everything. 0.99

00:22:21.000 Chickens, cows, birds. 0.99

00:22:23.000 You have to learn the interspecies relationships.

00:22:26.000 That's how AIDS starts.

00:22:27.000 That's true.

00:22:28.000 Or flight attendants.

00:22:33.000 That was a good on-air correction.

00:22:39.000 Yeah, it was, yes.

00:22:40.000 I want to make sure I get it right.

00:22:40.000 Nice job.

00:22:41.000 And they're not servers, they're garcon. 0.70

00:22:45.000 Madison Ferguson made another prediction on mad cow disease.

00:22:48.000 He said 150,000 deaths from mad cow, right?

00:22:51.000 And this was based on the theory back then that British sheep, if you remember this, British sheep might be capable of spreading it. 0.77

00:22:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:56.000 Now, to date, there have been fewer than 200 deaths from mad cow disease.

00:23:03.000 In the United Kingdom, none of which have been transmitted from sheep.

00:23:06.000 I think this guy just hates animals.

00:23:08.000 What's his deal? 1.00

00:23:08.000 Kill all the animals. 1.00

00:23:10.000 There's a disease kill all the animals Lay low for 40 years Imperial College, so it's a trump card 0.99

00:23:22.000 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:23:23.000 And then kill them all. 1.00

00:23:24.000 And I'll show your descendants. 1.00

00:23:26.000 Nice.

00:23:27.000 You think with a track record like this, one of two things would happen.

00:23:30.000 One, he would shut up.

00:23:30.000 Or two, people would stop listening to him.

00:23:32.000 But two days ago, he makes a prediction that there would be over 100,000 deaths in the UK if they open and isolate 80% of the elderly and immunocompromised people.

00:23:42.000 If they were successful at doing that, there'd still be over 100,000 deaths in the UK.

00:23:45.000 So he's making yet another terrible prediction.

00:23:47.000 By the way, you guys, we don't have enough time to run all the clips.

00:23:49.000 You can go watch the news.

00:23:50.000 They're talking about this non-stop on CNN and BBC right now.

00:23:52.000 They still are citing this guy.

00:23:54.000 Keep in mind, this is patient zero.

00:23:56.000 You trace it all the way back.

00:23:57.000 Where did the 2.2 million come from?

00:23:59.000 This.

00:24:00.000 It came from this guy.

00:24:01.000 Just like the 77 cents on the dollar came from one study.

00:24:04.000 All that comes from is taking the average salary of men across all different lines of work, regardless of hours worked, regardless of education, compared it with women. 0.95

00:24:13.000 It's that sentence, and people go, well, no, no, there must be something more to it, right?

00:24:16.000 Because experts wouldn't get it that wrong, would they?

00:24:18.000 The guy killed all the sheep!

00:24:21.000 Well, and I wonder at what point, really, at what point do you stop listening to this guy?

00:24:25.000 How many times do you have to be wrong by hundreds of thousands of people, by 99% of your estimates?

00:24:30.000 By the way, I appreciate you, he's playing this, like, politically right now.

00:24:33.000 No, it is millions.

00:24:34.000 He's off by millions of coronavirus.

00:24:36.000 I know, because we have a general rule here, don't exaggerate, use the most conservative number.

00:24:41.000 Millions.

00:24:41.000 He's off by millions, I stand corrected.

00:24:43.000 Right now he's off by 2.15 million with his 2.2 million predictions.

00:24:47.000 By the way, did you see in that report that British agency or whoever was saying it, like, saying, you know, 560,000 deaths in the UK but the big stat was the deaths in the UK?

00:24:55.000 Like, we don't put your stats, like, bigger than ours.

00:24:58.000 Don't you care about your own people first? 0.74

00:25:00.000 But it's like bold.

00:25:01.000 It's because the United States matters more, I guess.

00:25:03.000 Everyone cares about us more.

00:25:04.000 I appreciate that acknowledgement, by the way.

00:25:07.000 It's absolutely true.

00:25:09.000 How much do you guys know about Canada right now?

00:25:12.000 Well, yeah, more than I need to.

00:25:14.000 Do you know what's going on at Degrassi these days?

00:25:17.000 Anyone following it since Drake left?

00:25:18.000 I don't think so.

00:25:21.000 Is he still on Degrassi?

00:25:22.000 No, I don't think so.

00:25:22.000 That's a fair point.

00:25:23.000 I have no idea.

00:25:24.000 Is the show still on?

00:25:24.000 Is he a part-timer?

00:25:25.000 I have no idea.

00:25:26.000 Is Canada still around?

00:25:27.000 When I was in Canada, I didn't watch Degrassi.

00:25:30.000 It was Americans who kept Degrassi because of the novelty of how crappy it was. 1.00

00:25:34.000 Canadians didn't care.

00:25:36.000 I don't know.

00:25:37.000 And this is something that I think is important.

00:25:40.000 There is, listen, we had, and I want to be clear, I think we all, well, actually I think

00:25:44.000 some of you guys here wanted to pull me back a little bit initially. 0.97

00:25:45.000 I was like, I think this is crap. 0.97

00:25:46.000 I was with you. 0.99

00:25:47.000 You did too. 0.97

00:25:48.000 And actually you thought it was partially crap, but you were like, let's play it safe 0.93

00:25:51.000 because we don't want to get fact checked on air. 0.96

00:25:54.000 And I will say that you were more, looking back, you were more correct about how overblown

00:26:00.000 I was like, oh, we should question some stuff.

00:26:01.000 But I was definitely more drinking the Kool-Aid.

00:26:03.000 And you were like, I don't know.

00:26:05.000 We'll just check back in 60 days.

00:26:06.000 No, you were drinking my whiskey straight from the bottle.

00:26:08.000 I was like, what?

00:26:09.000 And you're like, ah, Jameson kills it.

00:26:12.000 I'm like, I don't think that it does.

00:26:14.000 Hey, I asked Trump.

00:26:15.000 Listen, I don't drink, but if you're going to, Trump Vodka.

00:26:19.000 If we could get it into your lungs.

00:26:24.000 I'm saying Waterboard Bill with Trump Vodka.

00:26:30.000 I think that in the absence of data, it was prudent to take some precautionary measures.

00:26:35.000 Sure.

00:26:36.000 When we didn't know.

00:26:36.000 Now keep in mind, the absence of data, that's where people were reaching for numbers, and they said, whoa, 2.2 million.

00:26:42.000 And I still think we should have quarantined the sick.

00:26:44.000 You can go back, and I said, why don't we just quarantine old people and sick people? 1.00

00:26:46.000 And now people are saying that. 0.99

00:26:47.000 Back then, people were saying, ah, you monster.

00:26:48.000 I'm like, listen, take any time throughout history.

00:26:53.000 Go back through, I don't know, times around Christ.

00:26:56.000 There are no pits of non-lepers. 1.00

00:27:00.000 You quarantine the lepers!

00:27:02.000 You don't throw in the non-lepers. 1.00

00:27:04.000 You don't keep them separate and let the lepers run free.

00:27:07.000 This is what you do.

00:27:08.000 You don't quarantine the sick.

00:27:10.000 But at one point we had hypothetical numbers.

00:27:12.000 We needed to work with these models.

00:27:14.000 And as a matter of fact, actually, if you go to the website, we didn't work with those models.

00:27:17.000 There were plenty of other epidemiologists who were experts who were just considered contrarians who said, this really doesn't make any sense.

00:27:22.000 It doesn't add up.

00:27:23.000 And we tried to cover that.

00:27:24.000 We just have to be careful because big tech gets together and they will remove videos.

00:27:28.000 the videos from these what were the names of those doctors from Los Angeles was it Los Angeles County

00:27:32.000 five million plays five million plays they had several thousand people who they've actually

00:27:36.000 tested for antibodies and they were saying the death rate is 0.1 percent yep got removed from

00:27:39.000 Facebook because it violated guidelines oh it's fake according so we've had to try and be

00:27:44.000 consistent we've had to try and be authentic but also we've had to try and navigate Facebook,

00:27:49.000 YouTube, Twitter who by the way take their marching orders directly from the World Health

00:27:53.000 Organization who said by the way not that long ago that it couldn't be transmitted through human

00:27:59.000 to human contact.

00:28:01.000 Oops.

00:28:01.000 So when you're using them as your Washington Post or Snopes or Southern Poverty Law Center fact-checkers, at what point do you say, you know what?

00:28:08.000 Maybe the contrarians are right, because it doesn't take a scientist or an expert to have studied any virus ever and said, you know what?

00:28:16.000 I think that if you start fondling someone who has it, that's a bad idea.

00:28:19.000 It's a slippery slope.

00:28:20.000 It's a sweaty, clammy slope.

00:28:22.000 It is.

00:28:22.000 Is there sniffing involved?

00:28:25.000 So we have...

00:28:27.000 If you're the vice president, of course.

00:28:29.000 Former vice president. 0.99

00:28:30.000 Soon to be dead.

00:28:31.000 Not a threat.

00:28:31.000 No.

00:28:32.000 I just mean that it's a degenerative disease.

00:28:35.000 And I take no pleasure in it.

00:28:37.000 Oh boy, that got really quick.

00:28:45.000 He'll be fine!

00:28:48.000 He doesn't know he's crazy!

00:28:49.000 Just one debate.

00:28:50.000 I just want to see one.

00:28:53.000 He will find any reason to avoid Donald Trump.

00:28:56.000 Zero debates.

00:28:58.000 But I think what we're seeing right now is we're seeing the theoretical, unfortunately, clashing with the real world.

00:29:03.000 So it's theoretical, we could lose 2.2 million lives.

00:29:06.000 We could.

00:29:06.000 Now we're going to revise it.

00:29:07.000 We could lose 100,000 to 240,000 lives.

00:29:10.000 We could have whatever, how many tens of millions of people are infected.

00:29:14.000 Though that's actually something that seems like it's probably accurate.

00:29:17.000 Though they don't want to report on that now because then all of a sudden that lowers the death rate.

00:29:20.000 So we could have those.

00:29:22.000 But now we have real world data where we've tested people for antibodies.

00:29:25.000 What do we have?

00:29:26.000 We have New York City, Los Angeles County, Santa Clara County.

00:29:29.000 We have Miami-Dade County.

00:29:31.000 We have Chelsea in Massachusetts. 0.99

00:29:32.000 We have a few more.

00:29:33.000 I don't have them off the top of my head.

00:29:35.000 Every single Every single one has revised their mortality rate to 0.5 to 0.1% and that's including the 95% of whom are people over the age of 80 and have pre-existing conditions.

00:29:51.000 Every single one that has run these studies.

00:29:54.000 So you can even say maybe they're getting too many false positives with these antibody tests.

00:29:57.000 Okay, let's double it.

00:29:59.000 The people who said this is more comparable to the flu were so much closer than the experts who said 4 to 7 percent, it's laughable.

00:30:07.000 And we have real-world data now in that we see how many people have died.

00:30:11.000 We see how communicable it is.

00:30:12.000 We don't know the extent of that, but by the way, all testing shows us between 4 to 6 percent.

00:30:16.000 4 to, I think, 6.5 percent, depending on the county.

00:30:19.000 That means that far more people have been affected.

00:30:21.000 We have real-world data now.

00:30:22.000 What is it, 22 million?

00:30:23.000 Are we at 24 million jobless claims at this point?

00:30:26.000 I thought it was higher than that.

00:30:27.000 It could be significantly higher than that.

00:30:29.000 We have real-world data now that 1 in 5 suicides is linked to unemployment.

00:30:33.000 We have real-world data now that we've crippled economies.

00:30:36.000 We have real-world data now that 36% of retail industries might not reopen after this economy.

00:30:41.000 And that is clashing with the theoretical which we know is verifiably false, but unfortunately, big tech and their overlords want to silence doctors right now who are out there Speaking to espousing the real world observable data at this point.

00:30:58.000 So at one time, sure, in the absence of data, I think it was prudent to take some precautionary measures.

00:31:04.000 But at this point, in the face of overwhelming data, it's a conspiracy and it's a hoax.

00:31:10.000 You don't have to rely exclusively on experts.

00:31:12.000 Sure, you should have wise counsel.

00:31:14.000 Everybody should have wise counsel.

00:31:16.000 But you should also do your own due diligence.

00:31:20.000 And certainly, when faced with theoretical data or real-world observable data, commonly referred to as actual science, go with the latter.

00:31:31.000 And I hope that we don't have the wool pulled over our eyes again.

00:31:33.000 OK, we have to get going.

00:31:34.000 Dave Rubin is going to be right up after this.

00:31:36.000 Ooh, fun.

00:31:39.000 So pretty So what can we get to the crazy where the dreams are in the

00:31:43.000 sky?

00:31:44.000 You got me high, you got me high Oh

00:31:49.000 Hi Hey.

00:31:53.000 I haven't seen you on the board.

00:31:55.000 Do you guys have Black Rifle coffee here?

00:31:58.000 No, I'm sorry.

00:31:59.000 We only carry good small-batch coffee here.

00:32:02.000 Well, it is great small-batch coffee.

00:32:05.000 Well, that really can't be unless it's fresh-roasted.

00:32:09.000 Well, it is fresh-roasted.

00:32:11.000 I don't think you know what that means.

00:32:13.000 You know what this is?

00:32:15.000 This is Masa Lekua Pique, which, of course, in the Indonesian language, it's weasel coffee.

00:32:24.000 You just made that up.

00:32:25.000 No, it's been passed through their digestive tract. 0.57

00:32:27.000 That's disgusting.

00:32:28.000 And then it's nature's wet processing.

00:32:30.000 Yeah, but is it good?

00:32:31.000 I mean, it's alright.

00:32:36.000 Are they investor philanthropists?

00:32:38.000 Do they support good causes?

00:32:40.000 Yeah, tons of causes.

00:32:41.000 Veterans causes and first responder causes.

00:32:44.000 But it doesn't matter because they make good coffee.

00:32:46.000 So that's what I'm wanting.

00:32:49.000 Do you have any?

00:32:50.000 You know what?

00:32:50.000 Actually, I'm just gonna order it.

00:32:52.000 Let me get freshly roasted.

00:32:55.000 Black Rifle Coffee.

00:32:56.000 It's good.

00:32:59.000 BlackRifleCoffee.com slash Crowder.

00:33:00.000 Uh, enter in promo code Crowder, you get 20% off.

00:33:03.000 And it's important, by the way, to note that they've donated, I think, over 20,000 bags of coffee with their buy a bag, give a bag campaign.

00:33:09.000 A veteran owned.

00:33:11.000 It is a, it is a lot of coffee.

00:33:13.000 And they also just launched a new brand of canned coffee that you can kind of add to your, you can get it online.

00:33:18.000 200 milligrams of caffeine per can.

00:33:20.000 It's coming from natural coffee.

00:33:21.000 Like I, It has protein in it.

00:33:22.000 I haven't had any.

00:33:23.000 They haven't sent me any, but I hope you enjoy it.

00:33:26.000 BlackRifleCoffee.com slash Crowder. 0.94

00:33:27.000 They have the balls to sponsor the show. 1.00

00:33:29.000 And if you drink coffee, just drink better coffee from a company who gives a rat's ass. 1.00

00:33:34.000 Let's explain the trouble that I'm all in. 0.99

00:33:39.000 All in.

00:33:41.000 Let's explain...

00:33:43.000 Oh, right Glad to have her. 1.00

00:33:46.000 Well, we've had this gentleman on our show quite a bit.

00:33:49.000 And then I was on his show initially many years ago.

00:33:53.000 The reaction was not positive, but that's because he was I think he was sort of earlier on.

00:33:59.000 He had left the Young Turks and was becoming, I don't want to say more conservative, but was was speaking out against sort of the modern progressive left.

00:34:05.000 Taking that red pill.

00:34:07.000 Yes.

00:34:07.000 Yeah.

00:34:08.000 We don't use that term anymore because we're not Nazis, apparently.

00:34:11.000 So.

00:34:13.000 Apparently, those are only allowed at Bernie rallies.

00:34:16.000 So you can follow him on the Twitter at Ruben Report.

00:34:19.000 He hasn't been banned yet.

00:34:20.000 And of course, you know, he hosts a show over there at Blaze TV, and you get full access if you are a Mug Club member. 0.98

00:34:25.000 He has a new book, though, called Don't Burn This Book.

00:34:29.000 See what he did there?

00:34:29.000 I don't like it.

00:34:31.000 Self-referential.

00:34:32.000 Spoiler alert.

00:34:33.000 I burned it.

00:34:34.000 I did a little bit.

00:34:34.000 More so to test and see if it was flammable, but it's still worthwhile.

00:34:38.000 Mr. Gabe Rubin, how are you, sir?

00:34:40.000 Crowder, I'm doing good, and it's funny you gave me that kind of intro, because in the old days, when I had you on, whatever that was, like four years ago, I mean, it's kind of crazy.

00:34:49.000 It was like six.

00:34:50.000 We've been trying to do it in person, which is why I haven't had you on again, although at this point, you know, obviously we'll do it over Skype whenever you want.

00:34:57.000 But it's kind of funny because the hate that I got for having you on at the time when people thought I was a good lefty and I was just testing the waters with these scary conservatives, it's like that level of hate that I got then, that is barely a trickle Relative to the torrent that I became accustomed to over the last five years as I've sort of opened up politically and, you know, created some new alliances and said goodbye to some old thoughts and things like that.

00:35:24.000 So those were the good old days.

00:35:25.000 Well, you know, I think the reason for it, like obviously at that point, I think you'd had, you know, Milo was around and you had had a few guests who were sort of more right leaning, some were more libertarian.

00:35:35.000 But I just wanted to be honest.

00:35:37.000 I think what happened was you asked me about, you know, I was I was very straightforward about being pro-life and you asked me about same sex marriage.

00:35:42.000 And I said, yeah.

00:35:43.000 I don't, I think it's a state thing.

00:35:45.000 I said, I just don't, I don't think that the government should be in the church running business.

00:35:47.000 And I don't think that marriage is a fundamental human right for anyone.

00:35:50.000 Civil union, sure, but no.

00:35:52.000 And people just lost their mind.

00:35:54.000 And I remember talking, making the argument back then that, listen, the challenge with this, as we had in Canada, is once you declare marriage a fundamental human right, if churches or mosques or synagogues, if their religion doesn't recognize it, then they can be sued and jailed, as happened in Canada.

00:36:09.000 And of course, we've seen some of that now since with private businesses, so, um, what didn't mean that I didn't think that you're lovely, and I still do.

00:36:18.000 I mean, I don't know how lovely I think you are, but I think you are astute politically, and made a good point about the government's involvement in gay marriage, and the state argument's an interesting one, and I do a lot of state argument stuff in this book.

00:36:32.000 But of course, the broader point of if you want to live in a society with people that are different from you, and you want to allow people to have some religious beliefs, and some secular beliefs, and the whole freakin' thing, well you have to be able to, you don't have to, Actually respect their beliefs, but you have to let them have them.

00:36:48.000 So it's why I've been able to have a friendship with Ben Shapiro who takes an Orthodox Jewish perspective on gay marriage.

00:36:55.000 So guess what?

00:36:55.000 Ben's not gonna get gay married and that's okay.

00:36:58.000 Yeah.

00:37:00.000 And yet he's not coming for my marriage.

00:37:02.000 And that's the exchange that we have in such an incredibly beautiful way in America and more broadly in the West.

00:37:09.000 But I think specifically in America, we have something so unbelievably great here that so many people play with so dangerously as to how we could throw it away.

00:37:20.000 Yeah, I don't think people understand that this is uniquely American.

00:37:23.000 And being raised in Canada, I was very acutely aware of the fact that free speech was not a luxury that we had in Canada, and they certainly don't have it really anywhere in Europe.

00:37:31.000 So let me ask you this.

00:37:32.000 I know you talk about this in your book, and I want to get to how some of the writings in your book that you, I believe you finished last July, almost clairvoyant to what we're seeing now with states' rights as it relates to the COVID, the coronavirus, the flu, whatever you want to call it.

00:37:48.000 But when you started back then, you were sort of, you had left the left.

00:37:51.000 Right, and you were sort of disenchanted with the Young Turks and the radical progressive left, but where are you now?

00:37:59.000 Like, if you have to state what are you, after having toured with Jordan Peterson, more definitively, not what you've left, but what, who is Dave Rubin now, in his own words, like politically?

00:38:09.000 Oh, Crowder, getting to the heart of it right at the beginning.

00:38:13.000 I was always curious.

00:38:16.000 We both like dogs.

00:38:17.000 We could go on that, too.

00:38:19.000 I literally have a dog sleeping on my feet right now.

00:38:24.000 It's a great question.

00:38:25.000 I will answer it.

00:38:25.000 I will just say one thing first, which is that, you know, it's funny because when I started my show, so right around when I had you on at the beginning, so this is when I started the interview show, it was September of 2015.

00:38:35.000 So that's not that long ago.

00:38:36.000 It's less than five full years ago.

00:38:39.000 I at first never said I left the left.

00:38:41.000 I was really still fighting for my side, what I thought was my side.

00:38:45.000 I was going, guys, guys, we can't silence everybody, buddy.

00:38:48.000 We can't mob everybody.

00:38:49.000 We can't outrage, destroy everybody.

00:38:52.000 Let's be more open and actually liberal like we're supposed to be.

00:38:55.000 And then suddenly what happened was I found all of these other people that were having similar thoughts from a lefty perspective.

00:39:02.000 That then led me to all of the scary guys like you and Shapiro and Beck and everybody else. 0.85

00:39:07.000 Yes, I am a monster.

00:39:08.000 To truly answer your question, I would say, look, I lay out what I believe are classical liberal principles in this book that are the right principles to govern by, which are individual rights.

00:39:20.000 I want everybody that is a legal citizen of the United States to have exactly the same rights, regardless of your gender, your skin color, your sexual orientation, where you're from, etc., etc.

00:39:30.000 And then I want laissez-faire economics, that we should always try to do everything without government involvement.

00:39:36.000 And then I do recognize, and this is why I would say I'm not a full libertarian, I do recognize that sometimes, unfortunately, you have to have the government involved to put some guardrails around things.

00:39:48.000 Sorry, go ahead.

00:39:49.000 So I would say, look, I think that very much still fits in within the definition of a classical liberal, but am I trying to revive a phrase from several hundred years ago in a certain regard?

00:39:58.000 Because the word liberal, I always say this to you, it's like, when you talk about liberals, you mean leftists, but I get it.

00:40:03.000 The word liberal has just been, like, spattered and bludgeoned and whatever.

00:40:08.000 So I will say something that I haven't said before, but I've been thinking about a lot lately.

00:40:12.000 I would say, if you can accept this term, I think this is probably what I am.

00:40:16.000 I'm probably a liberal conservative.

00:40:18.000 Meaning... meaning...

00:40:20.000 Meaning that I'm with you.

00:40:23.000 I'm with you on most of the stuff, the foundational society stuff.

00:40:27.000 But I still do have things that I think conservatives wouldn't be thrilled with.

00:40:31.000 So, you know, I make a begrudgingly pro-choice argument.

00:40:35.000 Well, I don't want to have a webcam in your bedroom, if that's what you mean.

00:40:39.000 But outside of that, it doesn't, you know, I think that's something people get wrong with conservatives because of how they govern their families, you know.

00:40:47.000 But here's something that I appreciate you saying that.

00:40:50.000 It is different.

00:40:51.000 There is a journey.

00:40:52.000 Here's one thing that I'm curious, kind of as it relates to what you've just said.

00:40:55.000 I understand when you say, you know, classical liberal.

00:40:58.000 I understand how you go from being, obviously you're a gay man and free speech being really important to you.

00:41:03.000 Being in a country where you go, listen, as a minority, right, it's obviously very important for you to be able to speak freely, for you to fight for equal rights.

00:41:10.000 So I understand that transition because the left, the current left is not for that.

00:41:14.000 But how does the transition happen from where you were more liberal, left-leaning back then, financially.

00:41:21.000 Because- On policy.

00:41:22.000 Yeah, that is a change that is notable.

00:41:25.000 And it's gotta be a tough one to make.

00:41:27.000 That's not an easy one.

00:41:28.000 Like, it's not popular.

00:41:29.000 I can give you a seriously granular answer on that, which is, look, sit down with Thomas Sowell a couple times

00:41:37.000 and read a couple of those books and talk to some really interesting

00:41:41.000 conservative libertarian economists, but more than anything else.

00:41:44.000 And that is, by the way, when people say to me, what have you really shifted on?

00:41:49.000 I say, not much, except for economics.

00:41:52.000 And the reason I've shifted for economics, not only because I've listened to the clear and cogent arguments that have been made by Thomas Sowell and many others, But really, because I am a small businessman now.

00:42:02.000 I run my show, as you know.

00:42:03.000 I own my production company.

00:42:05.000 We have about six or seven full-time employees.

00:42:08.000 I've got some part-time employees.

00:42:10.000 We pay everybody well.

00:42:11.000 We pay for 100% of their health insurance.

00:42:13.000 We gave all my guys bonuses during COVID because they're busting their butts for me.

00:42:17.000 And I now know, as a small businessman, I live in Los Angeles, in the People's Republic of California.

00:42:22.000 We are taxed To a hilt.

00:42:24.000 It's insane what we're taxed by here.

00:42:26.000 The fact that I'm doing business here, instead of where you are, is slightly nuts.

00:42:31.000 So you shaved off some IQ points on this journey, if you're still in California.

00:42:36.000 Not everything happens at once, you know.

00:42:38.000 And the weather is nice.

00:42:39.000 The weather is nice.

00:42:40.000 It's not as humid.

00:42:40.000 But that means you have more COVID, right?

00:42:43.000 Humidity and heat kills it.

00:42:44.000 So, again, another reason.

00:42:47.000 85% humidity, 95 degrees.

00:42:49.000 Is that right that they say humidity kills it?

00:42:51.000 I thought the nice dry heat...

00:42:53.000 It was, I don't think we don't have the overlay right now, but it was, they had different sort of reference ranges, and I think it was, if it's 75 degrees and 60% humidity, it takes a few hours, and it was something like airborne coronavirus particles, not on a surface, in 95 degree heat, or hotter, and 80% humidity, lasts 60 seconds.

00:43:13.000 Oh, man, so like Houston or the Florida Panhandle, basically.

00:43:17.000 Yeah, the beach, just not the New York subway.

00:43:18.000 Yeah.

00:43:20.000 Well, the New York subway can be quite humid and hot, so, you know.

00:43:23.000 That's true.

00:43:23.000 But truly, I mean, by running my own business and by applying the thoughts that I was talking to, talking to Thomas Sowell, talking to all these people, I started applying those thoughts to my own business, and my business has flourished.

00:43:35.000 We have no debt.

00:43:36.000 We're surviving.

00:43:37.000 We're actually thriving right now.

00:43:38.000 As I said to you right before we started, I mean, I was a little ahead of the curve on the home studio thing.

00:43:42.000 This is my garage.

00:43:43.000 Right. 0.97

00:43:44.000 And I know that if the government gets out of my way, the stupid things I've had to do related to regulation and lights and air conditioning and all of that. 0.95

00:43:52.000 And how much more it costs to operate a business here in California versus in Texas or in Florida or elsewhere. 0.79

00:43:59.000 And the simple fact, beyond anything else, if my taxes are cut, does that mean I'm going to freaking buy a bajillion Bentleys?

00:44:07.000 Well, I can't afford them anyway, but it's not that, although it would be my right to do it.

00:44:11.000 I know if my taxes were cut right now, you know what the first thing I would do is?

00:44:15.000 It's hire more employees. 0.56

00:44:16.000 Oh.

00:44:16.000 That wasn't my first guess, but good.

00:44:19.000 What if I would like to purchase an exotic pet?

00:44:21.000 It's your money, man. Do what you want with it.

00:44:24.000 And so that is the one thing I would say I've shifted on the most.

00:44:26.000 What if I would like to purchase an exotic pet or like a funny hat? Zany?

00:44:33.000 I'm okay with both of those.

00:44:35.000 Tigers are very hot right now.

00:44:37.000 Tigers are only $4,000.

00:44:38.000 I remember finding that out.

00:44:39.000 I just assumed that when I was a kid that you couldn't buy tigers because it's like, nah, I want a tiger.

00:44:43.000 My dad said that's illegal.

00:44:44.000 I was like, well, I guess I'll never have a tiger.

00:44:45.000 And then I found out it's only $3,000?

00:44:48.000 Dude, almost everyone I know has a tiger.

00:44:50.000 Really?

00:44:51.000 Well, that's because you hang out with Siegfried and Roy.

00:44:53.000 So let me ask you, what can we expect in this book?

00:44:58.000 Don't burn this book.

00:44:59.000 Can nothing be kept secret between us?

00:45:03.000 Well, listen, I mean, I say this out of love.

00:45:05.000 It's a liability.

00:45:05.000 The guy got mauled by the tiger.

00:45:07.000 And by the way, when people said, like, in a shocking turn of events.

00:45:12.000 Yeah.

00:45:12.000 Shocking?

00:45:13.000 I mean, the guy lived with 24-7, and he was screwing with them, taking pictures.

00:45:18.000 I'm like, as far as I'm concerned, you're on borrowed time. 0.66

00:45:20.000 It's not shocking.

00:45:21.000 You know who got attacked by a tiger?

00:45:23.000 Siegfried, the tiger spectaclist.

00:45:27.000 Right, like if he had been working with doves as a magician, and the doves turned on him and killed him.

00:45:31.000 That would be shocking.

00:45:32.000 That would be surprising.

00:45:33.000 Or if he had been working with doves, and a tiger came out of the wings and attacked him.

00:45:37.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:45:38.000 We was the dove guy!

00:45:39.000 It's not their natural habitat.

00:45:41.000 So first off, is this, and I know this could be auto-censored on YouTube, is the book flame retardant?

00:45:47.000 Before we get into the what's inside.

00:45:49.000 Well, Crowder, little known fact, did you know that Ray Bradbury called Fahrenheit 451, 451 because 451 is the temperature that paper burns?

00:45:59.000 Yes.

00:45:59.000 Did you know that?

00:46:00.000 I assumed.

00:46:01.000 I'm glad you, I'm glad, yeah, well you definitely assumed.

00:46:03.000 And I watched the remake that was awful on HBO where, did you see that?

00:46:08.000 I saw it, I saw it.

00:46:08.000 Oh my god.

00:46:09.000 And everyone's, everyone's burning the, they're like, they're all burning the Quran. 0.85

00:46:13.000 Ugh.

00:46:13.000 And then, uh, then, no, no, they're not burning, I don't remember what it was.

00:46:16.000 It was just really bad.

00:46:17.000 Sorry.

00:46:17.000 Okay.

00:46:18.000 So, back to Flame Return.

00:46:19.000 That was with the other, the other Michael Jordan.

00:46:21.000 That's a tough name to have.

00:46:22.000 Yeah, I guess. 0.99

00:46:23.000 Especially if you're a black guy.

00:46:25.000 Like, if he was just a really white Michael Jordan, they'd be like, totally unrelated.

00:46:29.000 That would be okay.

00:46:31.000 No, we have not tried to burn it, although we did try to get a copy that was going to be flame retardant, so that it would be fun if we tried to light it on fire, but it would not light on fire.

00:46:40.000 But trust me, man, I am waiting for some social justice warrior is going to burn this thing.

00:46:46.000 Yeah.

00:46:46.000 But really, by titling it Don't Burn This Book, the real idea here, of course, was that the stuff that I lay out here, whether you agree with 100% of it or not, is almost irrelevant.

00:46:55.000 It really, in my opinion, is some common sense stuff.

00:46:58.000 And we can disagree on some of the margins, of course we can.

00:47:01.000 But the idea is that The New York Times will not be happy about this book.

00:47:05.000 CNN will not be happy about this book.

00:47:07.000 The social justice worries will not be happy.

00:47:09.000 And it's not because I'm laying out far-right craziness or even just conservative stuff.

00:47:16.000 It's because I'm laying out common sense, and in many ways that's become their kryptonite.

00:47:21.000 Common sense is not what they're in the business of.

00:47:23.000 They're in the business of keeping everyone hysterical all the time, and I'm trying to give a little antidote to that.

00:47:29.000 Can you talk quite a bit, I know in your book, about states' rights, and as you're more of kind of, like you said, a liberal conservative, which, frankly, we'd probably be pretty close on the political compass test.

00:47:37.000 It had me on conservative, but more libertarian than conservative, down in that bottom right quadrant.

00:47:42.000 I think, actually, if we really whittled down everything that the two of us believe, I think the only one that we'd really get to an impasse at for now is the abortion one.

00:47:52.000 And in my abortion chapter, I mean, again, I say I'm begrudgingly pro-choice.

00:47:57.000 I just believe that in a pluralistic society, you have to err on the side of the people that are here and there now to a degree.

00:48:04.000 And I don't deny that it's life and the rest of it.

00:48:06.000 And by the way, the abortion chapter ends with me saying, now that you all hate me, let's move on.

00:48:11.000 Right, that's what I was going to say.

00:48:12.000 I don't want to get into your penchant for murder or bloodlust.

00:48:16.000 But I do want to, you talk about states' rights quite a bit, obviously, and that's a big part of your sort of transformation.

00:48:22.000 And right now, that's at the forefront, right, with the coronavirus.

00:48:25.000 So, I mean, maybe kind of talk us through that and what your viewpoint is here, because the argument is, you know, the greater sort of public good versus states' autonomy.

00:48:35.000 Well, it's kind of funny because right now, you know, the lefties who have been screaming for four years that the guy in charge of the government is Hitler and his supporters are Nazis.

00:48:45.000 Those are also the people who always want the federal government to have all the power to do everything.

00:48:50.000 And it's like, maybe you don't want the Hitler guy to have all the power. 0.75

00:48:54.000 Let's work this thing through.

00:48:55.000 But they're not very good at like the second and third order things.

00:48:58.000 Look, the Constitution, federalism, our founders believed that America really was, as Dennis Prager calls it, an experiment.

00:49:06.000 And the experiment was, could we have these different states

00:49:09.000 that would be governed by their own people, have governors, have senators, have state representatives, 1.00

00:49:14.000 that could do the best thing for their states, but yet could we be part of something that was cohesive,

00:49:21.000 that had a national ethos, and the rest of it, could we make sure the states wouldn't be warring

00:49:25.000 with each other or trying to destroy each other or the rest of it?

00:49:28.000 We've done that incredibly well for over 200 years.

00:49:31.000 But what's interesting is, when you talk about states' rights,

00:49:34.000 like me and you, I guess, could get into a wonky conversation about states' rights,

00:49:38.000 but nobody really talks about states' rights.

00:49:41.000 And suddenly, because of coronavirus, the average person, the average lefty is suddenly going, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:49:47.000 I live in New York, and New York has a unique problem because of population density in New York City and the greater New York City area.

00:49:55.000 And it's a real issue.

00:49:57.000 Yeah, there's a real issue there related to public health.

00:50:00.000 Actually, I'm pretty sure that if you live in Montana, you might be able to open up quicker and allow more people to go back to work and the rest of it.

00:50:09.000 And that is because of states' rights.

00:50:12.000 So I'm actually pretty excited that one of the things that I believe in most, that this experiment of One state can have high taxes, California.

00:50:19.000 One state could have low taxes, Texas. 0.68

00:50:22.000 But that maybe will affect the money that can go into education or whatever it might be.

00:50:26.000 Some states have legal recreational marijuana, some don't.

00:50:29.000 That's a beautiful thing that we're constantly tinkering.

00:50:32.000 It's like we're in a science experiment, right?

00:50:34.000 We're constantly going, Oh, does this work?

00:50:37.000 Does it not work?

00:50:38.000 And Colorado is the best example of this.

00:50:40.000 They legalized recreational marijuana and we had a lot of people, this was more people on the right, that were going, this is going to destroy society, this is going to, you know, all of this stuff.

00:50:49.000 And what happened?

00:50:50.000 Well, tax revenue went up and there's no evidence that crime went up.

00:50:53.000 There's no evidence that there's been urban decay or any of it.

00:50:56.000 And then maybe a conservative will rethink their position on it.

00:50:59.000 Maybe not two, but then you can at least look at it.

00:51:00.000 That's actually a good example, because I've always been pro states' rights on not only marijuana, but heroin.

00:51:05.000 But at one point, this is my transition, I said, I wouldn't vote.

00:51:07.000 You're on heroin as well?

00:51:09.000 Yeah.

00:51:09.000 So you're even more libertarian on that than I am.

00:51:12.000 Blacks are heroin, I don't give a rat's ass. 1.00

00:51:13.000 But my issue is, I said, well, listen, the thing is, we don't have a way of testing for it, and that's a danger with people driving. 1.00

00:51:20.000 And that is something that's undeniable in Colorado with traffic fatalities.

00:51:24.000 And it's tough to know how many of them are THC-induced because of how long it stays in the bloodstream.

00:51:28.000 But until they've figured out that problem, that is something that now hopefully other states can look to.

00:51:33.000 Say, okay, we can look at the tax revenue, we can look at how maybe it's structured, and we need to figure out The traffic fatalities, and then it'll get better and states will adjust.

00:51:41.000 Yeah, a lot of people never understood that about myself.

00:51:43.000 I was like, yeah, listen, I don't think that doing a bunch of drugs is good.

00:51:48.000 And I don't think that it's always even great for society to legalize it, but that's kind of the risk that we take and the price that we pay.

00:51:54.000 And I think that Wyoming has a right to say, no, we're not going to allow it.

00:51:58.000 So.

00:52:00.000 Crowder, I love the fact that you just came out as more libertarian than even me on the heroin thing.

00:52:06.000 Because, I mean, I talk about drugs in the book, obviously.

00:52:09.000 And basically, I agree.

00:52:11.000 You want to maximize people's ability to do whatever they want.

00:52:14.000 So I'm for legalizing marijuana, if the states so choose to do it.

00:52:17.000 I'm for legalizing medicinal mushrooms.

00:52:19.000 I mean, a bunch of stuff.

00:52:20.000 But for me, the harder drugs, at some point, their effect on society— See, that's where I disagree.

00:52:26.000 That's what I disagree with you on.

00:52:27.000 You don't want your next door neighbor to be whacked out on crack and heroin.

00:52:30.000 I don't want him whacked out on mushrooms. 0.99

00:52:32.000 What the hell? 0.97

00:52:33.000 This is, like, I get heroin. 0.99

00:52:34.000 Nobody on mushrooms is knocking on your door, coming for you.

00:52:36.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:52:37.000 Mushroom guy?

00:52:38.000 Mushroom guy.

00:52:40.000 Mushrooms, absolutely.

00:52:42.000 And the psilocybin, all the stuff.

00:52:43.000 I tell you what, I get the heroin thing.

00:52:46.000 I've never done heroin, but anyone who's been on morphine, like Bayer made heroin, right?

00:52:49.000 They still give heroin in some hospitals.

00:52:51.000 It's a painkiller.

00:52:52.000 But there's no performance-enhancing benefit to mushrooms.

00:52:55.000 Again, states can legalize it.

00:52:57.000 I've seen people go out of their mind on mushrooms.

00:53:01.000 Are you sure on mushrooms?

00:53:02.000 I think you might be talking about acid, which is synthetic, by the way.

00:53:05.000 Mushrooms are completely natural.

00:53:06.000 I mean, I've done mushrooms.

00:53:07.000 I know many people that do mushrooms.

00:53:09.000 People on mushrooms, you wander in a park for five hours You think about the universe, and then you go to bed, and you wake up, and you feel good.

00:53:16.000 That's it.

00:53:16.000 Not everybody.

00:53:17.000 Nobody's coming for you on mushrooms.

00:53:18.000 Not everybody.

00:53:18.000 Nobody's eating mushrooms.

00:53:19.000 I'm going to go do some stuff.

00:53:21.000 Sure, that happens.

00:53:22.000 I mean, you have some guys who smoke weed, and they rip people's faces off.

00:53:24.000 And I just think we need to be honest about the risks and legalize them.

00:53:27.000 But anecdotally, I have only seen heroin people who they nod off, and people on mushrooms lose their minds.

00:53:35.000 Now, it doesn't mean that's the rule for everyone, but just because it's natural, I mean, so is Hemlock.

00:53:40.000 But we're getting off the weeds here.

00:53:41.000 Here's what I will say.

00:53:43.000 Mr. Rubin, you do need to leave California, and you do need to move to Texas, of course, because obviously wonderful folks at The Blaze, who we both work with, are there.

00:53:53.000 But if you do that, if you move from the hellhole that is California because of our taxes, because of our laws, because of our liberty, and you come to Texas, and you vote, and you start voting blue and turn the state purple, I will crucify you upside down without breakfast.

00:54:10.000 It's so funny you say that, because whenever, when I was touring with Jordan Peterson, or if I do stand-up in the middle of the country, that always becomes like a running theme.

00:54:17.000 Like, I say to these people, I'll be in Utah, and I'll be like, you know, I kinda dig it here.

00:54:21.000 Maybe I'll come to Utah.

00:54:22.000 Maybe I'll come to Salt Lake City.

00:54:23.000 Maybe I'll come to Dallas.

00:54:25.000 And people are like, they'll applaud, and then suddenly someone in the crowd will be like, but don't bring everybody else!

00:54:29.000 Right, it's true.

00:54:31.000 It's true.

00:54:31.000 Absolutely true.

00:54:33.000 Yeah, I think other states really are fearing that.

00:54:35.000 And by the way, it's legit.

00:54:37.000 I mean, there have been some studies on the amount of people leaving California that then go to Texas.

00:54:42.000 I mean, look, Ted Cruz almost lost to freaking Beto O'Rourke.

00:54:46.000 That is a crazy proposition for Texas to have to confront.

00:54:51.000 I'm fairly certain I can tell you, Crowder, that if I move to Texas, you're going to be okay.

00:54:55.000 Okay, all right.

00:54:56.000 From the Dave Rubin engine.

00:54:58.000 And don't try and play trickery here and say, oh, I don't vote Democrat, and then like vote Jesse Ventura when he gets into the Green Party.

00:55:03.000 That won't fly either.

00:55:05.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:55:06.000 I went through my Jesse Ventura phase.

00:55:08.000 Okay, all right.

00:55:10.000 Then you learned the facts.

00:55:11.000 All right, Mr. Rubin, we do have to get going.

00:55:13.000 This book, of course, is Don't Burn This Book.

00:55:16.000 Where is it available for people to find and hopefully get it to the number one there?

00:55:21.000 Crowder, they said to me, don't launch a book in the middle of the biggest worldwide pandemic in decades, if not centuries.

00:55:28.000 I said, no, no, we're going to do it.

00:55:30.000 You guys can get it at DontBurnThisBook.com.

00:55:32.000 It's on Amazon.

00:55:32.000 Of course, we got an audio book.

00:55:34.000 We got the Audible, the whole shebang, Barnes & Noble, wherever you get a book.

00:55:40.000 You got your local bookstore there, over there in Texas?

00:55:42.000 They've got that.

00:55:43.000 No, because here it's 2020.

00:55:46.000 But I appreciate that.

00:55:48.000 I appreciate you plugging in.

00:55:49.000 There's actually, I will tell you this next time, there's a Barnes & Noble cafe.

00:55:54.000 No books.

00:55:55.000 Very, very few books.

00:55:57.000 It's like a magazine stand.

00:55:59.000 So that's the only Barnes & Noble that I know of in my area, but Amazon works.

00:56:02.000 Timing is everything.

00:56:03.000 They will deliver it to you.

00:56:05.000 Okay, perfect.

00:56:06.000 All right, well, Mr. Rubin, of course it is.

00:56:08.000 Don't burn this book, at Rubin Report.

00:56:10.000 Thank you for making the time, brother.

00:56:11.000 Be safe, wash your hands.

00:56:13.000 Good seeing you, my friend, and start looking for some real estate for me, would ya?

00:56:17.000 We'll see you all tomorrow!

00:56:19.000 Good morning Bug Club!

Louder with Crowder - April 29, 2020

The Man Behind the COVID-19 Panic! | Ep 672 Louder with Crowder

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