Nephilim Death Squad - Christ or the State？ Chris Karr on Anarcho-Christianity

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00:02:56.220 to get 10 off of your tickets uh great guest today uh long time friend of the show friend since

00:03:02.860 before the show yeah actually uh a friend of yours in a dire time of need yes apparently

00:03:09.020 correctly um which i'd love to get into that story a little bit but before we even do that

00:03:13.660 um thank you for coming chris welcome to the show before we get started let's tell everybody where

00:03:18.720 they can find your work uh you can go to uh chris carr.substack.com that's uh k-a-r-r chris

00:03:25.520 carr.substack.com that's where i write about film interesting people and i just uh penned my uh

00:03:31.880 anarcho-christian manifesto to the top of the page and that is probably the most important

00:03:36.180 thing i've ever written at least in my estimation yeah so that's where you can check me out and i'm

00:03:40.240 also uh talking shit on twitter every once in a while uh chris carr 17 on it very interesting uh

00:03:45.120 the the how is it phrased christian anarcho uh one more time run that by me uh i say anarcho-christian 0.95

00:03:51.380 but you can say christian anarchist anarchist christian it really doesn't matter the point

00:03:55.680 is is that the political philosophy is anarchism and the belief structure is christianity

00:04:01.220 are you uh are you friends with uh what's his name jacob winograd yes i'm very friendly with

00:04:08.180 him yeah we we've interacted uh a couple of times yeah he's great okay yeah he's really good on this

00:04:12.780 issue he's one of the first people that i heard bring up the term inocular christianity we haven't

00:04:17.260 had haven't had him on uh but he's been my friend from like the libertarian days um sure sure a good

00:04:23.640 sport i've said some crazy shit to him no you did that yeah that's why i laughed i was like yeah

00:04:33.000 you kind of do that with everybody i i want to kind of hear this this story because i've heard 0.58

00:04:37.600 it from your perspective um but chris really helped out when it came to you losing an account

00:04:44.640 i don't want to bury the lead at all and i know we have other things to get into but can we kind

00:04:48.240 to talk about a little bit what what what caused you to lose your account top uh i was a slurs

00:04:54.660 no oh no nothing like that i was actually talking smack to uh i think she was like the vp of x at

00:05:01.560 the time i forget her name yeah yeah yeah i can't remember her name either but yeah yeah yeah and i

00:05:07.460 had made a joke about launching her to the moon because of spacex haha very funny and they took

00:05:12.320 that as an actionable threat i kind of forgot about this this is fucking hysterical

00:05:17.780 that's a very mild thing launching launching her to the moon i mean uh linda yaccarino that's her 0.94

00:05:23.580 name there you go yeah that's a fun last name so um but obviously not actionable you lack the

00:05:30.900 resources but if i could if you could sure sure yeah but i mean that's a lot of money and and so

00:05:36.180 what happens x deletes your entire account or or bans your entire account yeah from all the things

00:05:41.120 that i've said previously uh like they didn't really care but that one right there so i was

00:05:45.720 like oh i have the actual eye of sauron on me here yeah i've gotten the attention of the lady from x

00:05:51.660 and i think this was also after the interaction with elon musk that i had that that whole thing

00:05:56.820 so like the algorithm has primed me to like show up in these people's feeds i suppose i said a

00:06:02.560 thing got banned and you were writing for tim cast at the time or yeah yeah revolver or uh whatever

00:06:08.220 i was the editor at tim cast and i was also writing articles as well and uh once i saw that

00:06:13.580 happened i want to make sure that we covered it and got some more exposure to what was happening

00:06:16.480 to you because that was insanely fucked up yeah and that i mean it was a couple of weeks that my

00:06:22.180 account was gone and i don't know if the rest of this plays out like how we're doing it now if i 0.94

00:06:26.980 don't get that account back because it's like it's a big way of uh you know twitter is the way that

00:06:32.240 you communicate with everybody yeah and your social media follower count means a lot when

00:06:38.240 you're talking to people it adds veracity to your reputation and sure people pay attention if there's

00:06:43.280 like a 50,000 behind your name rather than a 5,000. Yeah, because it imagines there's a body

00:06:47.920 of work. So if you're just somebody who's reaching out, like let's say to even come on the show and

00:06:51.900 it there's, you know, instances where people with low follower accounts get on the show.

00:06:56.400 I don't have anything against that at all. It's just like if I'm going through the noise and

00:07:00.600 you're reaching out to me and a bunch of other people are reaching out to me, if I can click on

00:07:03.740 your profile real quick, see you've got like some sort of a reputable following thing, I go, okay,

00:07:08.240 maybe there's a body of work here. Let's go check that out. It's just the beginning domino in

00:07:13.220 the investigation process is this person somebody that i want to talk to that helps a lot unfortunately

00:07:18.060 that's the truth yeah that's not like uh what i want it to be but that's just what it is so yeah

00:07:22.900 it's the twitter account is gone but uh you guys helped get it back with that article you wrote

00:07:27.140 the article and then i think vivek ramaswamy oh that's right and started commenting on it and

00:07:32.540 there's another article written about him that like sort of compiled and it pressured the powers

00:07:37.540 that be at twitter to give me my account back yeah which was just the craziest thing in the world

00:07:43.120 rare instance i mean when did that ever happen well i mean stranger things have happened online

00:07:49.140 like sure sure but i mean for for them to actually get pressured in that way and then give you your

00:07:55.240 account back it's typically like it's why it's why i get so mad at the conspiracy community

00:07:59.720 like today when they go must be fed activity or like this person's paid off i'm like sometimes

00:08:05.800 there's a domino effect of things like you you push a domino i don't know let here's the domino

00:08:11.000 effect i suppose i went on tim cast had a really bad performance but i bought t-shirts for the

00:08:15.900 guys there and maybe they remembered me yeah okay yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah so then when something

00:08:22.720 comes up like that like like i i don't know i didn't do it on purpose like i'm gonna go ahead

00:08:26.840 and get banned later so that way they'll help me it's just like no i don't know we don't know

00:08:30.660 what's gonna happen we've i've spread seed and whatever happens whatever grows grows he went to

00:08:35.640 his thing and spread seed no i remember that broadcast very clearly tim was hung up on

00:08:44.700 steven crowder's contract in that broadcast and that's all he talked about it was all about the

00:08:49.880 contract with steven crowder and you didn't really have much of a chance to uh weigh in on news items

00:08:56.080 or anything else it's all about the contract and initially we did not get along you you after the

00:09:03.020 show you talk some shit about tim and i was defending tim and then you know and i didn't 0.57

00:09:07.760 realize who you were i didn't realize how rabid your fan base was and how vicious and hilarious 1.00

00:09:12.840 you guys are and i was just like who is who's top lobster you know i was talking so much shit 0.91

00:09:17.580 and then our mutual dear friend shane cashman intervened and he stepped in he was just like 0.92

00:09:22.780 listen i don't want my homies to beef i like top i love you i've been shane's editor you know the

00:09:27.800 whole time he was at tim cast and and i think i messaged you and i said i think we got off on the

00:09:32.260 wrong foot and uh we've been cool ever since so uh b i remember that that uh that that appearance

00:09:38.600 very well it's it's almost a shame that things went that way because um you know we give him

00:09:44.880 a hard time you more so than i do uh uh tim but uh you know he's got this giant thing that he's

00:09:50.240 building and it's just to say the people that are surrounding him like i i enjoy so many of

00:09:56.180 those people you know you mentioned shane cashman he's one of my favorite people yeah

00:09:59.200 you Bert West Josie the red-headed libertarian like all these people everybody around him I'm

00:10:04.620 like this guy probably is all right in some way shape or form but when you see him even Luke like

00:10:10.120 Luke was cool like yeah but I think Tim is just like redlining it constantly and he's got all

00:10:16.840 these insane external pressures and then when he gets out and he shows his public face there's so

00:10:22.560 many things to pick at because you're dealing with a guy that's redlining it constantly it's

00:10:26.620 just funny how that happens because a lot of my favorite people come from his orbit which is

00:10:31.420 strange yeah well i mean i will say this just to get it out there and get it on the record uh

00:10:36.820 my wife and i you know alex she was a shane's producer for a long time you guys did her show

00:10:41.720 you know so you know alex we've worked for him for five years and he's been unbelievably kind

00:10:45.940 to me and my family he's been good to my boys he's been good to her he's been incredible to me

00:10:49.940 uh he's kept me employed even when he didn't have a reason to employ me so tim's been on a personal

00:10:54.520 level tim's been very good to us so i can i can stand honestly in terms of being a good dude i

00:10:59.340 didn't realize your wife was uh that was shane's producer on uh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

00:11:06.340 small world that is what i oh i'm sorry go ahead chris i was just gonna say we've been together

00:11:11.480 for 18 years so that's uh yeah long long-standing relationship got two boys four and six and uh

00:11:17.620 she currently has her jaw broken which is really fun what did you do to her i've been warning her 0.97

00:11:23.340 for years i was just like listen one of these fucking days it's gonna happen and two weeks 0.94

00:11:27.640 ago it finally happened i busted her really hard and let me tell you chris the warnings mean nothing 0.97

00:11:32.560 if there's no action exactly i've learned okay that's what i've learned from raising boys yeah

00:11:37.200 you can't you can't lay down a threat if you're not going to follow through on it that's right 0.89

00:11:40.800 that's right she had uh she's got a mouth problem and it's been uh eating at her her whole life and

00:11:45.740 then a couple weeks ago she had it surgically broken and uh she's recovering right now so

00:11:49.300 oh okay yeah yeah a strategic one well that's good to hear i hope for her uh her speedy recovery 0.73

00:11:53.940 you know i i will say on the the topic of tim all the shit that we've talked about him i cannot

00:11:58.740 avoid the fact that everybody that we know that knows him says the exact same thing that you just

00:12:04.920 said which is in personal life he's a really good dude so i i think what you what you constantly

00:12:11.360 catch is people fighting the public persona of tim which is not to say those aren't his

00:12:17.100 convictions aren't his ideas. Well, in a way, isn't that what we did? You fought with top

00:12:21.000 lops a little bit. Then you messaged me and I was like, you got to Danny and then Danny and Chris

00:12:27.180 talked. So it's very much like that. But I want to get into your article. And I think a good place

00:12:33.680 to, maybe we could start at the beginning. How long have you been a Christian? How did you get

00:12:39.440 into Christianity? How did you hear about it? And what does that path look like? Because I have an

00:12:44.440 idea of the pathway you came through. Um, but I'm curious to hear your side of this.

00:12:50.020 Yeah. Um, I grew up in the very rural mountains of Eastern Kentucky, uh, Southeastern Kentucky.

00:12:55.600 Um, and down there you really just have Baptist churches. That's, that's pretty much, there's

00:12:59.300 some Methodists, there's some snake handlers. And I was actually briefly involved with a Messianic 1.00

00:13:03.860 Judaism, uh, cult, I would call it. Uh, but you know, yeah, we could totally get into that if you 1.00

00:13:09.080 want to, but I would love to. Yeah. Okay. Uh, but, um, these, I never had a good experience in

00:13:14.460 church. Uh, I, our preachers, they would get up and they would read one Bible verse and they would

00:13:20.620 scream and shout for an hour. And I left church every day with a fucking headache. Um, I mean, 0.99

00:13:26.280 I, there was a piece, there was a preacher that would regularly kick the altar and scream at us

00:13:30.480 about hell and sin, horrible experience. Um, and basically it's just like, I realize now that

00:13:37.340 churches always failed me, but Jesus never did. So my conviction and my, my faith in Christ never

00:13:42.020 was dislodged from these horrific experiences in church. And like, I was in high school and I was

00:13:46.780 just like, all right, I want to get back into church. I want to find a good church. And I was

00:13:49.060 like, I got my girlfriend. I was like, Hey, come, come to this Bible study, you know? And then the

00:13:52.680 youth pastor would try to steal my girlfriend from me. I mean, it was, it was, I mean, like,

00:13:57.600 I'm telling you at a certain point, I realized that I'm never going to go to a church again. 0.92

00:14:02.460 it's just not for me these people are insane they're psychos the the the protestant churches 0.99

00:14:08.240 there's so much goofy shit in them and uh so that was it was like that for a while and then about 0.99

00:14:14.620 two years ago not this past easter but the easter before my wife's a jew alex is a jew 0.99

00:14:18.780 okay so she you know she was bought mitzvahed and you know she went to hebrew school hated

00:14:23.460 every minute of it and then um the easter before last i'm i love movies i'm always trying to get

00:14:29.340 my boys go to the movies and enjoy cinema and enjoy that experience of being in the dark with

00:14:33.440 a, you know, with a crowd and watching something fun. And we went to see the Jesus movie, the

00:14:37.420 angel studios, King of Kings, I think it's called the animated film. Yeah, it was really,

00:14:42.740 it was really bad. Like it had a framing device where there was this dude. It was like, I think

00:14:46.920 it was, uh, Charles Dickens is narrating it. I don't know. I lost interest, but the boys lost

00:14:52.320 interest. They were a little young, but Alex was captivated. She was just like, can we just stay

00:14:56.740 the crucifixion i think she just wanted to see him die um but but listen but so within within 24

00:15:05.680 hours she was just like i think we need to get these kids educated in religion you know she's 0.83

00:15:11.480 a very crafty jew she wanted to outsource it you know she wanted to like send them off to learn 0.89

00:15:14.720 about the jesus and the god and the stuff and i was like no no we're gonna do this as a family 0.95

00:15:18.220 and we're gonna find a good church and we're gonna and this is gonna be what we do wait wait

00:15:23.240 Chris, are you saying that the film had an impact on her to that degree?

00:15:28.240 Because you're saying she's Jewish or is Jewish, was Jewish, but we're talking about – because the Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. 0.76

00:15:36.220 They're still waiting for the Moshiach. 0.85

00:15:38.540 So square that for me.

00:15:39.960 What exactly are you saying happened there?

00:15:41.880 Alex was raised by secular, liberal, Jewish family in Long Island, New York. 0.98

00:15:49.520 So, I mean, they're not like very devout Jews.

00:15:52.380 They don't go to the temple or anything, but that was her background, and I'm pretty sure that the only thing that she knew about Jesus before we went to this movie was that he was a traitor. 0.99

00:16:01.900 So this movie, I suppose it activated something in her that got her interested in faith, and we began the very – with great trepidation, we began the process of finding a church, and we ran into a bunch of really goofy Protestant shit. 0.99

00:16:17.900 We ran into preachers that got up there and talked about their lesbian daughters and how great they are and how they just got married and their lesbian daughter has a wife. 0.99

00:16:26.140 But I know, I know it's crazy. 0.90

00:16:28.380 It's crazy what's happened in the Protestant church. 0.82

00:16:30.100 As much as I've made a lot of peace with my Catholic brothers and sisters with the stuff that they believe and I don't. 0.98

00:16:36.160 But I will say this for the Catholics is that they do have a hierarchy that sort of safeguards against a lot of the goofy shit that's in the Protestant churches. 0.99

00:16:44.560 And there's so much goofy shit. 0.99

00:16:45.900 But in any case, we have been going to a church. 0.99

00:16:49.340 I got their mug right here.

00:16:50.540 New Life, New Life in Frederick, Maryland.

00:16:52.640 Amazing church, great pastor.

00:16:55.080 And it's been transformative in our lives ever since.

00:16:57.940 So we're back in church.

00:16:59.220 And yeah, it's a really good thing.

00:17:01.580 Isn't that interesting, though?

00:17:02.540 Like you're describing the lines in which different denominations of a church can be

00:17:09.600 either left or right.

00:17:11.040 And Protestantism seems like it has tendencies to embrace leftist politics, or at least leftist ideologies, which lean it that way. Orthodox and Catholic would lean a little bit more right. And nowadays, it's interesting watching the Orthodox movement. And I don't know if there's really a Catholic movement, possibly, but it leans toward this, what do they call that?

00:17:35.920 not a reformation but like a crusades idea this idea of a strong male and it does feel

00:17:42.320 it has a tinge of like right-wing extremism to is it for lack of better words yeah unironically

00:17:47.940 using like templar symbolism or like within their meme culture you know it's like yeah it's also

00:17:54.680 correct i'm watching them going yeah you're positioned correctly to absorb disaffected

00:17:59.660 libertarians uh right-wing people into this movement and that's correct but then the movement

00:18:05.260 i go well what else is in it and why has uh why have why have pentecostals or uh protestants

00:18:12.860 almost ignored that that uh that vacuum of power and they've kind of stood in this weird left-wing

00:18:20.700 spot it almost seems like uh catholicism because i would say there is a catholicism movement i've

00:18:26.220 seen it um not as much as orthodoxy but those two institutions have um been more plugged into the

00:18:33.420 cultural dialogue on the internet where it seems like protestants are less plugged in in that way

00:18:39.140 or at least as an institution they're less plugged in on an individual basis i'm sure everybody's

00:18:43.240 plugged into the internet well not to offend but it's yeah those those two institutions will name

00:18:47.940 the jew right and uh protestantism will fly an israeli flag in in the in the church itself

00:18:55.560 completely unaware of what's happening politically and and culturally and culturally and it's just

00:19:01.060 like i'm watching it happen i say whoa why are you why are you missing this yeah that's interesting

00:19:06.300 well i've actually had the chance to talk to andrew wilson a number of occasions sorry you know

00:19:11.320 i know i you know what i mean once again it's one of those things it's just like he has a certain

00:19:16.040 i mean of course he's annoying i get that especially the way that he presents himself

00:19:20.660 but i've had in my personal interactions with him he's been just like a guy that i can talk to

00:19:24.740 And he did say something that framed Protestantism in a way that I didn't understand, but I think about it often.

00:19:33.040 He was just like, well, Protestants are the original leftists because they're always protesting.

00:19:38.020 I mean, it's in the name. 0.74

00:19:39.420 So it's just like that might be a reason why Protestants are in some sense very annoying because we are constantly protesting the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church. 0.70

00:19:50.180 And it's just like, yeah, I mean, what's more annoying than somebody that's just constantly protesting for centuries on end? 0.71

00:19:56.200 So if you're if you're constantly kind of situated as a protester, then maybe that's one reason why you're not as dialed in as some of these more institutional denominations are.

00:20:05.920 It's interesting. Well, that's true. That's true. But then, I mean, more recently, I would say that the protesters are the Orthodox Church.

00:20:14.660 The protesters are in the Catholic church.

00:20:16.380 Because when I go to church, yeah, they might be praying for Israel,

00:20:20.740 but there's never one mention about what they're doing in orthodoxy

00:20:24.040 or what they're doing in Catholicism. 0.99

00:20:25.420 They really don't give a shit. 0.99

00:20:27.280 If you go and you talk to any ortho bro, it's always like, 1.00

00:20:30.860 oh, these damn proddies. 0.99

00:20:31.840 I was like, yo, they don't even, I'm just going to tell you from experience, 1.00

00:20:35.220 they don't think about you to the point where I've been in a Protestant church

00:20:38.200 my whole life in some form or fashion, never once heard about your denomination. 0.98

00:20:42.580 nobody really even gave a shit like they're busy doing like yeah because because the focus is it's 0.97

00:20:48.960 not on icons it's not on you know uh the the painted windows the focus is on jesus yeah and 0.98

00:20:57.460 that's and that needs to be the focus and i think that these other denominations they lose that

00:21:01.980 focus because they're going to be talking about all this other stuff you know they're going to

00:21:05.240 be complaining and the one thing i will say about the protestant faith and it's a non-denomination

00:21:10.580 church that I go to. And it, it, the focus is almost every time on Jesus. It's also on donuts

00:21:16.880 too. They like to get us all sugared up and then, you know, do a phrase in worship, but, uh, it's

00:21:20.900 always on Jesus and Jesus's words and Jesus's message. And I think that that's something that

00:21:25.780 is sort of a, uh, short-sighted measure with the product, with the, uh, Catholics and the orthos. 1.00

00:21:31.220 I was made aware recently that, um, maybe it was in the eighties or nineties that as far as like 0.99

00:21:36.780 the church of Satan is concerned, or which covens are concerned, there was a real effort

00:21:44.620 to infiltrate the Baptist church, because I think there was this concern, you know, on that side of

00:21:51.460 the fence of a real resurgence happening through particularly the Baptist church. And when you

00:21:57.780 think about the way that the adversary will sneak in and corrupt a thing, I think it's fascinating

00:22:04.560 that there are these if we want to talk about satanic cultural elements a lot of those belong

00:22:10.080 to the left side of the political spectrum or the cultural spectrum right with as far as the overt

00:22:14.160 ones go where it's drag queen story hour and everything that we've kind of been wrestling

00:22:17.520 with for the last decade or or more um so it's fascinating i think that you see those elements 0.99

00:22:25.280 coming into the protestant church and those elements do um deserve uh ridicule and and

00:22:31.840 highlighting you know there's this idea when it comes to this dialogue excuse me on twitter that

00:22:37.880 um you know it's just protestants versus uh orthodox or protestants versus catholics it's

00:22:44.380 like no i'll call out my church too if i come across a video where i think something is overtly 0.92

00:22:49.520 gay and retarded i'm going to call that out it doesn't matter what church it's in um but i do 0.91

00:22:54.560 find it fascinating that those corrosive left-leaning and arguably satanic elements like 0.99

00:22:59.620 embracing you know lgbtq culture or what have you are finding their way and there are instances 0.85

00:23:06.980 where you see it in the catholic church but it's much more rampant in the protestant church

00:23:09.940 and i wonder um because i agree with what you're saying chris it is hyper focused on jesus christ

00:23:15.360 that's the message every time i've stepped my foot through uh the church that i was attending

00:23:20.280 to up until recently um it was always that it's always that i think it's probably going to continue

00:23:25.180 being that it's jesus christ centric and so is that just a fault of the protestant church or is

00:23:33.060 it a fault of the protestant church that it is succumbing to these sort of satanic spiritual

00:23:39.960 elements you know in other words in an attack is it not worth attacking orthodoxy and i know that's

00:23:47.100 highly speculative right but is it not worth attacking orthodoxy is it not worth attacking

00:23:51.100 Catholicism if they're not super Christ-centric like the Protestant churches? Is it a surprise

00:23:57.340 at all that you would see these elements within it? You know, it's funny because, like, I've said

00:24:02.500 some very, very hateful, spiteful things to Catholics, including Jack Posobiec. I've got

00:24:08.480 into it with him before, and I've actually apologized because I felt like I was coming

00:24:12.560 from a spiritually bankrupt place when I said that. And I think there's so much demonic activity

00:24:18.080 in the world right now, as I believe we're approaching the end times, that if we can agree

00:24:23.980 on John 3.16, then that's fine. Like, you know, if we can really agree on that core tenet of John

00:24:32.380 3.16, then I don't really feel a need to argue with Josie. You know, I've had conversations

00:24:37.120 with her, and she's had really great points to make about Catholicism and its strengths. I don't

00:24:42.300 agree with all of them but i it as long as we can agree on that one key verse then i'm okay with 0.98

00:24:49.120 their goofy shit you know it's like i'm not going to do it that's not for me i'm not going to be an 0.95

00:24:53.420 orthodox guy i'm not going to be a catholic guy if i was raised catholic maybe i would be but i 0.98

00:24:58.340 wasn't you know and it's just it's not for me that is um the truth of the matter is it doesn't matter

00:25:04.360 if it's the protestant church with the lesbian pastor which i've seen those as well or if it's

00:25:10.820 a catholic church with um you know whatever the run-of-the-mill um sort of caricature issues that

00:25:17.940 a catholic church might have are people are being saved in both institutions right like there's no

00:25:23.440 limit to where god is working and so i mean i would say and there is a strong argument for

00:25:29.820 all of the institutions are dead and rotting in their own unique ways but that doesn't stop

00:25:36.280 God from calling people in those institutions and saving them, right? So it's the same thing.

00:25:42.860 I would agree with that 100%. It's, you know, we get into it with the Orthodox Church a little

00:25:46.340 bit because there are people that say, well, you're not Christian. You're not saved unless

00:25:50.980 you're Christian, and you're not Christian unless you're baptized, and you're not baptized unless 0.85

00:25:55.060 it happened in an Orthodox Church. And you paid for it. And you paid for it. Right. And even that, 0.98

00:25:59.880 like, all right, I'll put up some slack on the some of the places aren't having you. Like,

00:26:04.240 That's that's a funny thing to throw in their face. But still, at the end of the day, it seems to be universal across the board with Orthodox that you are not Christian unless you are baptized in specifically the one true church.

00:26:16.120 And that's pretty problematic. Right. Because saying what people aren't saying and then they'll they'll go back and forth and say, well, people are saved.

00:26:22.040 And what about the thief on the cross and all these things? And there's ways to kind of like word salad around that.

00:26:28.340 But I think the truth of the matter is, yeah, if we can agree on John 3.16 and acknowledge that in every institution, those are fallen institutions.

00:26:36.560 They're rotten in their own way, but people are still being saved in them.

00:26:39.460 God is still working in them.

00:26:40.580 I'm not going to put a limit on where God is operating because I think he's operating everywhere.

00:26:44.840 Absolutely. I agree.

00:26:45.920 But, oh, my God, you just reminded me.

00:26:47.260 the most infuriating debate that I've ever had the misfortune of listening to was Tim staged a 0.69

00:26:53.540 debate with Jay Dyer, some sort of Catholic guy that I can't remember his name and some Protestant

00:26:59.140 guy. And I, you know, Tim, I don't want to speak for him, but I mean, after having a child and

00:27:04.560 everything, he's, he's come around to the idea. He believes in God. Like, I mean, he knows that

00:27:08.160 there's a God, but he hasn't quite moved to Christianity yet. I think he had a very bad

00:27:11.960 experience growing up as a Catholic, which is pretty universal. A lot of Catholics have,

00:27:16.420 Or, you know, they don't – I think the Catholic Church has driven a lot more people from God than to God, but that's perhaps a different subject.

00:27:23.340 But Jay Dyer, he got on there with this Catholic guy.

00:27:25.920 First of all, the Catholic guy kept talking about something called Christianity.

00:27:30.100 Christianity, he kept saying.

00:27:31.140 It was driving me up a wall.

00:27:32.100 I'm just like, what, Christy?

00:27:33.180 Like is this some religion based on some lady named Christy?

00:27:35.800 What are you talking about?

00:27:36.700 And then the Protestant guy was just like, oh, no, I'm going to be Catholic soon. 0.99

00:27:39.960 I was just like, what the fuck are we doing here, guys? 0.98

00:27:41.360 But anyway, Jay Dyer got on there. 0.97

00:27:43.420 I know.

00:27:43.720 It was crazy.

00:27:44.360 It was crazy.

00:27:45.120 I wanted to just jump in the studio and move that guy and be like, I could be a Protestant in this conversation because you guys aren't offering anything. 0.99

00:27:50.700 And Jay Dyer was such a fucking Pharisee in that conversation. 0.99

00:27:55.740 He locked everybody out. 0.99

00:27:57.920 And honestly, I really do believe that Tim had some good faith questions.

00:28:01.020 He was asking simple, basic questions about faith, and these guys couldn't touch it.

00:28:06.040 And out of all three of these bozos, Jay was the worst because he wanted to talk about years and figures and dates and times.

00:28:14.180 And it was insane. Like, there must be a specific kind of autism that attracts these ortho bros.

00:28:21.680 Yeah. You know, they lock people out of actual faith and understanding of Scripture. It's crazy.

00:28:27.060 I find that it's a lot of people that are disaffected in a way socially that lean on the idea of intellectuals.

00:28:33.680 I think they're disaffected politically.

00:28:34.820 That too. But they lean on the idea of intellectual superiority.

00:28:38.300 The reason I say socially is because a lot of these guys do have some sort of autism that doesn't, they're not charismatic.

00:28:43.860 they're not charming they're not funny they're not interesting they're not fun it hasn't stopped

00:28:47.060 me right well you've got a different type you know and and so what happens is when when you

00:28:54.120 remove all of those elements that might be endearing to your character all that you have

00:28:58.660 left is what you can build upon and it's hard to build on like charming and funny but it is

00:29:03.360 easy to crunch information and then lean on intellectual superiority so i think that's

00:29:07.840 really and and there is a huge problem paul talks about it this idea of um the simplicity of the

00:29:13.620 gospel. And when you, your whole purpose is to make yourself seem intellectually superior and

00:29:20.780 the way that you're doing it is with scripture, you're going in the opposite direction of the

00:29:24.580 simplicity of the gospel. And now, you know, you talked about the Catholic church, maybe pushing

00:29:28.860 more people away than it had brought to Christ. There's something to be said about as an individual,

00:29:33.780 when you're making this thing seem so hyper complicated and that the bar for entry is so

00:29:39.720 high you're doing something very similar to you cannot interpret the bible without me as your

00:29:44.780 interpreter that's a huge right chris is this what you mean in your article when you're talking about

00:29:48.880 the trojan horse of christianity and the trojan horse of anarchism like what is what's actually

00:29:54.520 sneaking in is this are we getting at that idea here well christ said be as uh well first of all

00:30:00.460 let me just preface it with this you guys on the podcast with the flat earth guy i know he doesn't

00:30:04.980 want to be styled as a flat earth guy from kingdom in context oh yeah yeah great podcast i that was

00:30:10.780 a little bit over my head but fascinating sean's a fantastic guy yeah and i think raven you brought

00:30:16.320 up needing to have a scripture that is easy to understand you know you're talking about like

00:30:21.060 there's all these different versions and stuff this is what i stand for the message it is written

00:30:26.500 in plain modern day english this is the bible that i use all the time because there's no there's no

00:30:32.340 confusion it is written in modern English it's so good Eugene Peterson check this out you can get

00:30:37.160 on your phone and so when I reference any kind of verses I'm going to be referencing this really

00:30:42.320 quick uh some of these guys the guys uh that I had the conversation with they were like oh he's a 0.92

00:30:48.060 KJV guy I get apparently there's people who are KJV only I guess Matt is kind of like that I can't 0.96

00:30:53.340 even understand it when I read like yeah I'm doing the straight bottles with him and I try to pick up 0.52

00:30:58.280 the scripture so that way when he's flipping to it i'm stumbling all over i read an nasb at home

00:31:04.060 and uh it's good american standard it's a little probably a more a little bit more complicated than

00:31:09.860 what you're reading but i understand it it's it speaks my language i'm like this is the one that

00:31:14.400 i'm gonna do comprehension is the main thing at least for me you know and uh and actually the

00:31:19.320 the catholics and the ortho bros they hate the message this this new you know modern style

00:31:24.180 version of the scriptures. But there is zero chance for miscomprehension with this text.

00:31:30.140 It's really well done. And actually, the guy that did it, he did his due diligence. He understood

00:31:34.340 the Hebrew, he understood the Aramaic, he understood the Greek, and it's a very, very fair translation.

00:31:39.020 By the way, just as a quick aside, I think the reason that they hate it is because it then makes 0.65

00:31:43.540 their institutions unnecessary. Which one do you love? Do you love your institution or do you love

00:31:49.120 bringing people to jesus christ exactly if you can't answer that you know very quickly that

00:31:54.640 you might want to pause and maybe stop influencing people on the matter yeah exactly uh so jesus said

00:32:02.540 be as wise as snakes uh as cunning as snakes but innocent as doves and that's something i quote in

00:32:08.780 the introduction to my manifesto um i think that politically disaffected people are very angry and

00:32:14.540 they're enticed by the idea of anarchism, but they're not interested in Jesus. They're not

00:32:19.580 interested in Christianity. They've been burned. They've seen a lot of fake and gay Christians 1.00

00:32:24.220 that have pushed them away from belief in Christ. But if you can entice them through anarchy, 1.00

00:32:30.400 then that path, if you follow it appropriately, can lead to Jesus. Now, on the other hand,

00:32:36.120 there are a lot of Christians that are too busy with their faith and raising families and just 0.51

00:32:40.680 doing the day-to-day stuff that, you know, they have to do to survive. And they're not 0.98

00:32:44.740 concerned about how bad things are politically. And they just believe that voting is going to

00:32:52.000 help and your vote counts and all of this fucking nonsense. So it's two Trojan horses. Anarchy can 0.99

00:32:57.400 lead to Christianity. And I think the Christians that never thought about anarchy and have a very 0.99

00:33:01.620 poor understanding of what it means as a political philosophy can be led to anarchy through those 0.84

00:33:07.460 two different trojan horses essentially right right yeah it's like so matt i would say matt

00:33:14.140 is a guy that is politically inept in a way doesn't understand it but uh embraces the tenets

00:33:22.360 of anarchy with you know but with god as a center point and he did it accidentally so he's gotten to

00:33:28.000 that same sort of like you know having a food forest and being sovereign away from the government

00:33:32.340 in a way, you get there through the Bible as well. That's great. That sounds good. Yeah. I mean,

00:33:39.960 anarchism has dealt with a significant branding problem for a long time, you know, and it's

00:33:47.580 because, you know, just, just kind of walk you guys through this, if I may, did you have another

00:33:51.300 question or can I just, no, no, I, my, my next question was going to be if you could unpack even

00:33:55.840 the concept of anarchism, but it's like, you're about to do that. Yeah. Um, so, uh, we kind of

00:34:02.040 tend to think about politics on a spectrum, left and right, you know, Democrat, Republican,

00:34:06.820 conservative, liberal. But despite all the differences on that one spectrum, everybody

00:34:12.280 agrees that there has to be a leader, elected leader, chosen leader, appointed leader, whatever.

00:34:17.300 Anarchism is a negation from that. It's a totally different spectrum. You can look at it like an

00:34:20.780 inverted triangle. Okay. So at the top of that inverted triangle, you have, you know, left,

00:34:25.400 right, that dichotomy. And in a narrow portion of that triangle, you have anarchism, which is

00:34:30.400 is a negation of the idea that you need a leader now on that spectrum you have on one side you have

00:34:36.720 the ancaps anarcho-capitalists they believe that you know capitalism can solve all of our problems

00:34:41.120 which is insane and on the other side you have anarcho-communists as much as i learn about the

00:34:46.800 anarcho-communist perspective i still it doesn't click with me it's very strange to think that

00:34:51.200 there could be anarcho-communism but you could have communal living and i don't know it's it's

00:34:55.760 very strange so i don't quite understand that but at the very tip of this inverted triangle you have

00:35:00.000 anarcho-christianity which is basically it's just two tenets two basic tenets the first one is

00:35:05.520 understandable the second one makes people very angry and every time i go on tim's show and i 0.99

00:35:10.320 talk about this the christians get so mad they they talk so much shit they have they have every 0.97

00:35:15.840 excuse in the world to negate the second point but the first point no king but christ christ is king 0.99

00:35:22.080 simple you pledge your allegiance to christ you cannot pledge your allegiance elsewhere

00:35:27.360 not to your state, not to your country, not to the world, not to an elected or chosen leader.

00:35:33.060 You can't even pledge your loyalty to your family in some regards, and Christ talks about that.

00:35:37.060 If you love your life, you will lose it.

00:35:39.600 You know, I'm a sword to rend, mother from father, you know, all that stuff.

00:35:44.160 So the second point is something that I imagine you guys are really not going to like, 1.00

00:35:48.680 and it's something that makes Christians especially very angry. 0.98

00:35:54.120 Absolute non-resistance to evil by force.

00:35:57.360 absolute non-resistance to evil by force. And it goes back to what Christ said. If somebody hits

00:36:04.920 you, don't hit back. Stand there and take it. If somebody takes your shoes, put your best coat in

00:36:10.800 a nice box, gift wrap it, and give it to them. You don't go to court. You don't call the police.

00:36:15.560 You don't serve on a jury. You don't vote in a political election. You don't advocate for

00:36:20.220 political leaders. It really just comes down to a very simple matter. It's just like,

00:36:24.880 do you follow Christ or do you not? And of course, the problems there are significant, right? Because

00:36:29.480 if you don't fight back, then you're putting yourself in severe danger.

00:36:33.980 You're talking about the non-aggression principle, but from a Christian standpoint, 0.94

00:36:39.900 which is the problem. And this has been the problem with libertarianism that I've seen for 0.71

00:36:44.820 a long time. And I always bring it up to you. I'm like, well, libertarianism, all the tenets seem

00:36:48.260 correct, but the underpinning is wrong. Like the thing that they don't get is God, God holding them

00:36:53.100 down so the rest of their philosophy makes sense so when you're uh when your god is capitalism

00:36:58.300 that's going to fail when your god is self or whatever it may be that's going to fail if you

00:37:04.060 put god there like sorry the god then these things sort of work but yeah i i do personally have a

00:37:12.620 problem with the strict uh adherence to the non-aggression principle because i think that

00:37:18.560 there are times where we have to act in defense or aggression, maybe even preemptively. And COVID

00:37:26.600 was one of those times that kind of opened that door up. Not to mean like we were supposed to go

00:37:31.020 out there and be violent against the state, but like, I think we were supposed to preemptively

00:37:36.080 take action rather than being passive and letting these things come and happen to us. But I'm open

00:37:41.940 to being wrong. Yeah, no, I definitely want to hear about this. But I also want to say that my

00:37:45.600 my issue with the um not using physical force to resist evil thing is that i don't as somebody who

00:37:53.740 was um i was a mixed martial artist for the better part of a decade and i don't view violence in the

00:38:02.020 same way that a lot of other people view violence it's um to get punched in the face or to get laid

00:38:08.540 out on the ground uh it only becomes this this um let's say something that is equal with evil and

00:38:15.440 i'm not saying that that's the problem with it even i understand what you're saying the problem

00:38:18.140 is but it's when you go too far in fact i think that there are so many cases where if somebody

00:38:24.680 who is armed with the knowledge of of combat could um use that to just stop a situation and

00:38:32.620 subdue an individual then the worst thing that happens is the individual either takes a quick

00:38:37.320 nap you know which is really not the the end of the world or really just gets hit in the face and

00:38:43.220 stunned and i don't i don't think there's morality wrapped up in that so much in other words um

00:38:48.740 if if i can be in a training situation and completely suspend the emotional morality

00:38:54.640 aspect of it and just treat it as a competition i never feel as though i've been slighted or i've

00:38:59.920 slighted another individual who's my opponent it's more of just it's almost like the equivalent

00:39:04.500 of like dancing or something like that it's a sport um and so i think that there is maybe in

00:39:11.520 there a line where like how are you resisting what degree are you willing to go to to resist

00:39:16.860 that's an interesting question but as far as somebody let's say grabbing my child out in public

00:39:22.340 um i don't i i think it's a choice to bring uh emotion into it if i deck you when you hit the

00:39:28.780 ground and i go you're gonna stop now we good and they go yeah i'm good i go okay cool bye-bye i

00:39:34.200 don't have to call the police i don't have to do anything so i i think there's even a conversation

00:39:38.600 to be had there? Where is that? Where's that line when it comes to violence? Because I've detached

00:39:43.220 myself pretty significantly from the emotional and moral aspect of violence. And I think like if I

00:39:49.920 get into a combat situation with somebody, it's better for all parties if I win, because I'm not

00:39:54.680 going to stomp you, I'm not going to stab you, I'm not going to hurt you beyond you yielding and be

00:39:59.240 going, okay, cool, let's not do this again. No, I think that's a very cogent and well stated

00:40:05.360 argument and i don't really have a problem with what you just said i would i would uh broadly

00:40:09.160 agree with uh with your perception of this yeah yeah but you're talking about more are you talking

00:40:15.240 more on like a state level because there are different types of violence like a violence the

00:40:19.880 violence of hitting somebody in the street is not really comparable to dropping a bomb on an entire

00:40:24.540 civilization right yeah not at all yeah and and that's why the the state has a monopoly on violence

00:40:29.940 And they and they use that monopoly to try to indoctrinate its citizens into thinking that as long as they have the monopoly on violence, then you're going to be safe, which is a totally deranged perspective.

00:40:42.280 And more people believe that than they should. Yeah, I mean, it's not comparable at all.

00:40:46.980 I mean, if you just look at the hard numbers in the past 125 years, I mean, the mass amount of bloodshed has come from wars that nobody benefits from except for the states.

00:40:55.260 So, I mean, it's like it's four to one. Basically, it's like, yeah, 200 million versus 50 million, you know, over 125 years of private violence versus state sanctioned violence. So, yeah, I mean, there's there's there's really no comparison there. Yeah, the state is is the ultimately is ultimately the most violent entity that we have to contend with.

00:41:15.640 And that is the problem with even my argument, let's say, because if you're trying to defend yourself, like you said, in the street situation, that's one thing and things can be mitigated and never escalate beyond just a stiff punch in the face. But if, you know, let's say the police show up to your property, and it's unjust, there's no way to defend yourself without this escalating to ultimately death.

00:41:36.100 Well, this is what we were talking about with Ed Mabry on the last episode we just did, which is actually interesting to have this conversation.

00:41:43.160 We're talking about the idea of justice and revenge is for the Lord, right?

00:41:50.460 We're talking about forgiveness, justice, and revenge.

00:41:53.980 And we kind of distilled it down to this point where it was like, well, if someone is wrong to you, you can go to the state.

00:42:01.160 And the state is supposed to dole out the justice here on earth for something that's happened.

00:42:06.100 And I was like, yeah, but I don't even know, like, this is a inherently corrupt system.

00:42:10.680 Yeah.

00:42:11.120 Correct.

00:42:11.740 We talk about, and then the Bible also tells us, yeah, turn the other cheek, meaning like, 0.68

00:42:16.340 well, if you get smacked on one, give them the other, right?

00:42:19.740 If they tell you to carry this stuff for a mile, then you carry it for two.

00:42:22.800 And I'm kind of like, but we talked about the context that that's in where it's like,

00:42:26.960 you're allowing them to build up iniquity because if you don't retaliate, then vengeance

00:42:31.740 is for the Lord, right?

00:42:32.980 Because if God is truly your God, you don't have to take care of this.

00:42:36.940 God's going to take care of this.

00:42:38.160 And now that other person is totally screwed because God is going to make a just decision. 0.99

00:42:43.840 And, you know, I would I would almost rather in some cases you receive a punch in the face

00:42:48.480 from me and we call it even than me going, all right, God, like he's all yours, because

00:42:51.960 I don't know what that's going to look like.

00:42:53.100 I don't know what iniquity you've built up where God goes, OK, now I'm going to do this

00:42:57.340 thing to you.

00:42:57.900 I'm allowed to do this thing to you because, you know, my follower, my this this living

00:43:02.480 sacrifice of mine hasn't retaliated it's in fact passed the ball to me so i i can see that um but

00:43:08.440 yeah it is it's it's like a strategic spiritual warfare thing that's right and that's that's a

00:43:13.700 really key point that i that i've been thinking about a lot lately is uh you you said you don't

00:43:17.340 know how it's gonna you don't you we don't know how god's gonna distribute justice yeah and the

00:43:22.640 the the harder thing to contend with that we really need to understand as christians is that

00:43:27.560 we don't need to know it's not our place to know like when uh i think it's ananias uh god calls

00:43:34.040 him to go witness to saul who's been struck blind yeah and uh i mean imagine this is so great this

00:43:40.620 is why we know the bible is is the true word of god it's insane like god speaks to ananias this

00:43:46.860 is go to saul and he was just like are you sure you're talking about him i mean he's talking to

00:43:50.040 the almighty god he's just like are you sure i do you have the wrong guy like it is if god could

00:43:54.660 make an error in judgment. It's so funny. I mean, how human we are and how easy it is to like lose

00:44:00.280 sight of our, uh, of what we're supposed to do under God's command. But you know, Ananias went

00:44:06.780 to Saul. He's like, that guy's, he's throwing Christians in jail. Like I'm not going to go 0.73

00:44:10.340 talk to him. He's like, just go do it. Just go do it. That's, that's God's command. Just go do it.

00:44:14.940 Listen to what I say and do what I say. No question. Just do it. And we know more about

00:44:20.840 paul with the world over than we do about ananias but without ananias we wouldn't have paul you know

00:44:26.980 i mean like as many people praise paul on the planet earth there's more people that you know

00:44:31.480 praise ananias and in heaven because he was able to just do what god said just do it and ananias

00:44:38.360 didn't know what that outcome was going to be he had no idea and and you know the bigger the

00:44:42.420 broader point is he didn't need to know like god didn't need to tell him how important what he was

00:44:47.580 doing was he just did it so it's obedience over confusion and over questioning that's that's the

00:44:53.840 key thing well we talked about this on a previous episode that the main driver of that part of you

00:44:59.360 that wants to know that wants to see the vengeance enacted that wants to know that the scales have

00:45:03.940 been rectified that is pride yeah right yeah that's what it comes from it's like yeah sure 0.99

00:45:09.280 like to go like yeah god i'll leave this one in your hands but like let me know how that shit 0.94

00:45:12.880 goes like i want to watch it i kind of do want to know but where do you want of course i want to 0.96

00:45:17.080 know yeah yeah where you're at on then uh earthly punishment or law or things like uh i don't know

00:45:23.920 even like policing as far as like the christian worldview goes is it okay for uh christian i mean

00:45:30.100 we play i play in a in a band and i play in the church and one of the people is a cop yeah and i

00:45:36.280 often think about that kneeling on their neck no like i don't like you know i don't know i'm not

00:45:42.860 i'm not a libertarian anymore i will i never really was but i still got this thing with the

00:45:47.640 cops when i see him i go yeah you know you're a glorified revenue collector for the state that's

00:45:52.420 the thing that's right that's exactly what i feel yeah yeah yeah and i i know some really good cops

00:45:58.820 i got cops in my neighborhood retired cops uh current cops and uh generally they're they're

00:46:03.740 good they're good people you know but at the same time i do recognize that they are administers of

00:46:09.560 the state and they will come in and kick your teeth in for no reason other than to follow rules i got

00:46:14.080 i got a dear friend of mine is an iraq veteran uh afghanistan i think actually afghanistan veteran

00:46:19.780 uh he was deployed multiple times jumping out helicopters his back's destroyed uh the va doesn't

00:46:25.540 help him at all he regularly uh randomly smells the dead flesh of burned uh afghani just walking

00:46:32.640 around he and um the other day he had some sort of situation at school he's trying to get his 14

00:46:40.580 year old registered at the school that he just moved to and the school kept fumbling the paperwork

00:46:45.160 and he was walking out and he was like i'm just gonna go home and shoot myself you know i mean

00:46:48.680 this guy's got a lot of issues and uh some lady overheard him and she was just like did you say

00:46:52.960 you're gonna shoot the school he's like no i wasn't talking to you and she's like you just

00:46:56.260 said you're gonna shoot up the school he spent a week in prison in jail rather yeah yeah i mean

00:47:01.380 his life, which was already very difficult, has gotten exponentially worse. And, you know, I mean,

00:47:07.220 quite frankly, him and his family and his parents, I've been able to move them closer to anarchism

00:47:11.620 because of this, because it's just like, why would the police do this? They're asking. They were

00:47:15.260 just like, how could this happen to him? I'm just like, this is what they do. They will do anything

00:47:20.320 to quash citizens' rights, even if it's free speech spoken privately. You cannot trust the

00:47:27.320 police to do anything effectively. If we had a competent justice system in the courts or in

00:47:32.900 policing, then I would advocate for going to court or calling police if there's some sort of issue.

00:47:38.100 We don't have that. They have proven themselves incompetent over and over and over so consistently

00:47:42.700 that you cannot rely on them for fucking shit. I think that that's just the nature of the human 1.00

00:47:49.560 experience, though, right? I mean, as long as we've had guards of any sort, they've always been

00:47:54.760 corrupt because they're man it's like you look at any institution um religious or otherwise and

00:48:00.200 you can find the corruption because you can find the corruption in man's heart so you're always

00:48:04.120 going to have that and i mean when you said you couldn't trust them to do anything right

00:48:07.200 uh police officers themselves if they're being candid will often tell you you cannot trust them

00:48:12.720 period you cannot try at all for i mean you know whatever that case is and but there is also this

00:48:19.420 idea of who the hell am I supposed to call when you know I've been wronged in some great degree

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00:49:02.480 people and their issues your friend that's in the military uh or a cop there is like a there's an

00:49:09.040 underlying sense of patriotism that they have that caused them to either join the police force or the

00:49:14.700 military. And even after war, sometimes you can get their legs blown off and still retain that

00:49:20.200 patriotism. And patriotism is a weird word, because it's something that I think we should

00:49:27.220 have still, like, we should like our country, because we live here. Why? Because I live here,

00:49:35.260 because my kid, it's a very strange line to walk. And I still haven't really expressed it

00:49:42.320 correctly. It's just that I am a citizen here. This is the boat that I'm on and I can't afford

00:49:48.680 it to sink. And I know that there's a lot of problems with it, but I got my kids on this boat.

00:49:52.920 So like that idea of patriotism of, of being like, yeah, okay, this country is inherently flawed,

00:49:58.400 but I don't want it to completely fail versus, uh, I'm following Christ alone. You know what

00:50:08.320 i mean like these two things are in opposition to each other well what i mean okay so you don't

00:50:13.520 want it to fail neither do i what measures can you possibly take to ensure that it doesn't fail

00:50:19.580 i mean we're we're in the back seat of a car that's throttling toward hell i mean and we're

00:50:25.780 not our politicians are not held accountable for anything the epstein class there's nothing we can

00:50:31.420 really effectively do to make sure that our country doesn't fail so what measures could you possibly

00:50:37.640 take to ensure that it does. I think it's just the connotation with the the radical left that

00:50:42.460 we've seen for the last six years, I mean, the last decade or so, where it's like, I'm not going

00:50:46.240 to be I'm not going to go and burn an American flag. That is not conducive to changing anything.

00:50:51.320 Neither is voting. Sure. So we're kind of in a situation right where I'm like, so yeah, I see

00:50:56.960 we see through the bullshit of the left and the right. And we know that both of these cars are 0.97

00:51:00.460 going in the same direction. But there's still the tangible country, like the actual land that

00:51:07.780 we live on, not the powers that be that govern it. And is that patriotism? Or is that just like,

00:51:13.860 hey, yeah, I'm, I'm sorry, maybe I'm guilty, because yeah, I do love where I live. I love

00:51:18.940 this place. I'm grateful for everything that I'm I've been able to do in it and all the things

00:51:24.040 that it's given me, and the ability for me to build what I've built on this place. But it's

00:51:29.420 inherently evil so yes yes to both of those things but i don't know where to put it yeah it's tough

00:51:36.300 this is something i've been thinking about a lot uh lately it's i mean where i'm at is patriotism

00:51:40.760 is slavery um that that's not my uh that's not my quote it's from tolstoy who is kind of the uh the

00:51:46.920 the grandfather of anarcho-christian thought um and and he understood uh particularly because he

00:51:53.360 was he was writing at a time that was 19th century russia and he he saw what was coming and he saw

00:51:57.920 what he had gone through. And he realized that patriotism was slavery because I think that

00:52:04.160 essentially countries exist to create patriotism. And patriotism is more or less a devotion to the

00:52:11.240 government to the extent that you're willing to go to war for them. Without a country, you don't

00:52:17.140 have people that are willing to go to war and commit mass murder. But patriotism is, well,

00:52:23.480 it's kind of a Trojan horse, actually. If you have a devotion to your country, then why wouldn't

00:52:27.260 you serve your country and if you had people that did not want to serve their country then we

00:52:32.180 wouldn't have as many wars as we've seen in the past century and centuries preceding that so i i

00:52:38.680 think that i think that patriotism is essentially a gateway drug into uh total war that's an

00:52:46.100 interesting idea because you can see the how would you how would you express this sort of the

00:52:51.320 logistical reasons for well hey if we've got this thing we want to protect this how many people are

00:52:56.760 willing to stand up and defend us in the case of let's say historically um even in hunter-gatherer

00:53:03.160 situations there's always been tribal warfare right but the second you make that decision

00:53:07.740 and you go like yeah i would fight for this i would fight for this and then somebody is because

00:53:11.920 of the corruption of man's heart will look at that and go actually we kind of got a lot of 0.96

00:53:16.200 people willing to die for this situation what if we went over there and killed those dudes with

00:53:20.540 this so it's like demonetize that it's just it is a problem because logistically you can see

00:53:25.200 that right it's like imagine being in this tribal situation where you're experiencing um you know

00:53:32.660 just getting ran in on by some opposing tribe uh on a on a monthly basis like they did it again

00:53:39.740 they took more of our women like you can see that natural inclination to go we've got to gather

00:53:44.960 together how many people let's have this conversation how many people are willing to 0.88

00:53:49.640 get together and go and do something about this well that's the thing i i am willing to die

00:53:54.920 for this country but not this country the way people are told like i'm not willing to go

00:54:00.820 somewhere else to defend some strange ideals or a poppy field somewhere else but yeah if somebody's

00:54:06.000 going to come here and try to take what i have i have to defend it but that's what happens is they

00:54:12.380 they then go that line is super blurred yeah yeah well they crash into a couple of towers and they

00:54:17.520 go we have to go defend ourselves now right exactly like you knock yourself and then and

00:54:21.960 then honeydick us into going somewhere else we got honeydicked this is a big problem here

00:54:25.860 but this this is why i have like a the holdup with that non-aggression principle because like

00:54:31.120 the idea of aggression has been so skewed we've been you know since uh what's it called um

00:54:36.880 operation gladio project like where they're doing domestic uh domestic terrorism to ourselves

00:54:44.400 you know whether it's in italy or that's been moved over to here now it's very hard to determine

00:54:49.760 where the aggression is coming from and is it justified to even oppose this aggression or

00:54:57.240 take action against it because it's so it's just crazy so but i don't i honestly don't know where

00:55:03.480 to even start with it do you do you have any solutions like what have you what have you been

00:55:07.300 thinking about this uh as far as like conclusions well when when i get into these conversations with

00:55:14.420 Tim or anybody else on the show they they always want to move to oh what if your wife gets great

00:55:20.320 you know I mean like what they always want to move to the most extreme scenarios and

00:55:24.540 God forbid these things happen and I to be honest I don't know what I would do in an extreme scenario

00:55:30.860 like that when it comes to extreme physical violence or you know sexual assault or something

00:55:35.880 like that I would I mean I would tend to just pray for a hedge of protection around my family

00:55:43.180 like I do every day to ensure that these things don't happen. But even, you know, these hedges

00:55:47.280 can be broken by evil. That does happen. But the simpler way to apply these principles is to just

00:55:54.720 put them in your daily life on a day-to-day basis. You know, I mean, you don't have to think

00:55:59.000 about the extreme scenario, war, sexual assault for my wife, you know, something happens to my

00:56:03.740 kids, God forbid. You can actually just apply these principles on a daily basis to the simple

00:56:08.160 things and at the same time pray that the worst doesn't come to worse worse comes to worse i mean

00:56:16.220 i really don't know how i'd respond in those situations i have to be honest you know well

00:56:19.700 we've had discussions on this show and i forgot who exactly we're talking to uh might have been

00:56:25.620 dr masood unless this is something we heard in church but uh missionaries in africa dealing with

00:56:34.260 um you know the witchcraft is is alive and well the third world country has no uh qualms about

00:56:40.720 spirituality they're very aware that it exists and they're engaging with it on a regular basis 0.79

00:56:45.340 and so witchcraft and things of that nature are dialed up to the extreme out there and

00:56:49.500 um there's a christian missionary and uh an african gentleman who was preaching the gospel

00:56:56.720 to local uh tribes of witches effectively right and um long story short they end up

00:57:05.200 murdering his entire family uh killing his his mother i believe is his spouse everything else

00:57:11.360 that you can imagine even uh uh i believe he lost his arm and as soon as he recovered he went

00:57:18.060 straight back to them and continued preaching the gospel and then ended up converting a ton of them

00:57:23.880 um to christianity because they were so staggered by the fact that he would come back and still

00:57:29.180 preach the word of god after what they had done to him um staggering testimony unbelievable

00:57:35.340 strength and conviction in the lord and it's that is effectively what you're asking for which is

00:57:42.720 to say that is what scripture is asking for that is what what the bible was asking for um

00:57:48.300 And in my mind over and over again, I'm struck with, well, thank God we have a forgiving God because I don't know that I have that sort of strength.

00:57:57.420 But I know when I see that or I hear that story, I recognize like, oh, yeah, that is – that's the way.

00:58:05.780 It is, yeah.

00:58:06.620 But do you have that sort of conviction?

00:58:08.680 There's a similar anecdote in my manifesto.

00:58:10.820 there was a victim of the Rwandan genocide. And he lost his entire family to the butchers in the

00:58:20.820 Rwandan genocide. And this guy, I can't remember his name right now, but he goes to jail. And the

00:58:28.300 guy that lost his family went to jail to visit him. He's like, he visited his family's murderer.

00:58:34.400 and uh ultimately they became friends he was converted to christianity and now they uh for

00:58:41.300 a long time they did tours together talking about the the word of god because the forgiveness

00:58:46.460 overcame the uh penalty of prison for this guy um and that's i mean there's lots of stories like

00:58:54.140 that but that's one of the ones that's most heart-rending and impactful and this is something

00:58:58.560 that people can do when they're animated by the holy spirit and that's what it comes to like the

00:59:03.560 non-aggression principle. And when I go on Tim's show and I talk about this, Libby Emmons calls

00:59:09.280 me a Quaker and she calls me a pacifist. And it's just like, Quaker, pacifist, I mean, these terms

00:59:14.500 don't really mean anything because just like the non-aggression principle, they're not animated by

00:59:18.160 anything spiritual. These are ideas. These are ideologies. It's just like, if you're just a

00:59:24.020 Quaker or a pacifist or you believe in the non-aggression principle, good for you. But 0.98

00:59:28.040 what's actually like you said top underpinning that what's the underpinning and if you have the

00:59:34.260 if you have christ in your heart and if you have the holy spirit then you have an underpinning that

00:59:38.780 is stronger than any weapon that we could devise you know so it's a very different thing the idea

00:59:45.640 of the holy spirit working and they're they're being a supernatural change in somebody is possible

00:59:50.700 i just like when we're dealing with stuff at scale this is always the issue and i think this is the

00:59:56.460 issue with the modern church like we're scaling something up so big it no longer like the quality

01:00:01.620 control is uh that of mcdonald's now rather than your favorite local restaurant so right so like

01:00:08.220 yeah we have an allowable consideration for human meat and mcdonald's chicken nuggets now because

01:00:13.400 to a trillion nuggets tolerable percentage of human flesh yeah right like when i'm looking at

01:00:21.120 even modern day churches and we're talking about the holy spirit moving i'm like it does holy

01:00:26.320 spirit does move in there but like there's so much room for change interpretation it's like

01:00:32.340 how could we be sure well is that the issue right we're called to be in the world not of it if you

01:00:38.320 are up the world then you are of this system and then you deal with the implications of scaling up

01:00:43.560 well even look at the previous church that i went to um the pastor that kicked me out

01:00:48.900 got kicked out himself for cheating on his wife and then to install install is what they said

01:00:56.080 a new pastor they took a vote and they all went and they all voted do you want this guy i think

01:01:03.980 they had a couple of choices this guy this guy this guy and they go no we want this guy and he

01:01:08.100 won overwhelmingly so i'm like 85 90 percent wanted uh pastor james good good guy thinking

01:01:13.700 about it later i'm like how did they choose david god told samuel that guy where was the vote

01:01:22.760 there's no vote here there's no democracy that's straight up monarchy from a king

01:01:28.240 giving an order to his guy on earth to pick somebody so it's like do we have that today

01:01:34.760 no in our legal system do we have the ability to go ahead and parse through it's like well

01:01:40.500 actually the holy spirit is working through this guy we have to release him from jail even though

01:01:43.700 he's committed a heinous crime like what when do we put somebody in jail when do we know if

01:01:48.440 they're reformed when when do these because i agree with you in a sense like yes these things

01:01:53.060 happen and yes they should happen there should be room for it but it's like how how do we determine

01:01:58.100 well we can't and there's a precedent for this and i'd like to read this passage at length

01:02:03.600 um if i may it's uh it's it's kind of like the key foundation for uh us anarcho-christians it's

01:02:09.700 from samuel 8 uh set up all the elders of israel got together and confronted samuel they presented

01:02:15.300 their case. Look, you're an old man and your sons aren't following in your footsteps. Here's what we

01:02:19.760 want you to do. Appoint a king to rule over us, just like everybody else. When Samuel heard their

01:02:24.340 demand, give us a king to rule us, he was crushed. How awful. Samuel prayed to God. God answered

01:02:29.460 Samuel, go ahead and do what they're asking. They are not rejecting you. They've rejected me as

01:02:34.160 their king. From the day I brought them out of Egypt until this very day, they've been behaving

01:02:38.600 like this, leaving me for other gods. So Samuel delivered God's warning to the people. This is

01:02:44.580 the way the kind of king you're talking about operates. He'll take your sons and make soldiers

01:02:49.240 of them, chariotry, cavalry, infantry, regimented in battalions and squadrons. He'll put some to

01:02:54.740 forced labor on his farms, plowing and harvesting, and others to making either weapons of war or

01:02:59.800 chariots in which he can ride in luxury. He'll put your daughters to work as beauticians and

01:03:03.640 waitresses and cooks. He'll conscript your best fields, vineyards, and orchards and hand them over 0.95

01:03:07.520 to his special friends. He'll tax your harvest and vintage to support his extensive bureaucracy,

01:03:12.360 your prized workers and best animals he'll take for his own use he'll lay a tax on your flocks

01:03:17.960 and you'll end up no better than slaves the day will come when you will cry in desperation because

01:03:21.980 of this king you so much wanted for yourself but don't expect god to answer this is the situation

01:03:27.700 that humans have been in since that moment that's exactly where we're at now he's talking about the

01:03:33.160 epstein class yeah like nothing has changed and we can't expect anything to change from the system

01:03:38.960 that we call democracy it's ridiculous yeah i mean it's accurate the crazy thing is even in that

01:03:44.680 flawed system which god yeah he clearly lays out this is your fate is this sure what you want the

01:03:50.640 people still say yes but then god still picks like he doesn't even really allow it up to them

01:03:55.540 he's like you'll take this tall guy first and then you'll take this singer next

01:03:58.880 that's how disconnected we are though from yeah from what should be and so we're okay i guess the

01:04:08.020 fact is that we're there though we're in it we're in this multi-levered layer of bureaucracy where 0.81

01:04:13.500 we do have that system and people do crazy shit like what do you do what do we do with them now 0.95

01:04:19.700 well you don't vote because voting doesn't matter um the the only thing you can do hey hey chris 0.97

01:04:27.400 i'm getting five thousand dollars i don't know about you dude did you see that yeah yeah that's

01:04:32.860 If you if you if you get $5,000, I'll give you an extra hundred if it actually happens.

01:04:39.560 There ain't no way.

01:04:41.840 Ain't no way.

01:04:42.560 I wouldn't be surprised if the administration just paid their way, you know, to I'm surprised that that hasn't happened before.

01:04:50.060 At least the promise of it, you might as well.

01:04:52.340 It's a yeah.

01:04:53.160 I mean, I guess before it was like this would be too scandalous to say this.

01:04:57.160 The stimulus, what it was implied, vote for me.

01:04:59.340 That's exactly.

01:04:59.940 now it's like yo if you do this exact thing i will yeah whatever dude it's the black boat man

01:05:06.640 um that's exactly what's happening here that's exactly what's happening you're never gonna get

01:05:12.220 on simcast with that kind of attitude that's true oh i hear he's a good guy so i'll advocate for you

01:05:17.460 let's go that would be fun honestly if i went there i would demand that it was only fun

01:05:22.420 i would not there would be no serious conversations like that david yeah

01:05:26.220 so okay let me ask you this throughout the throughout scripture um you know i'm not super

01:05:33.760 well versed i know we were having this conversation recently about um people in the bible characters in

01:05:41.480 the bible adhering to some degree to these systems using these systems in order to

01:05:48.760 um number one not be persecuted oh yeah so you're talking about like in first timothy or or uh

01:05:55.300 romans when romans romans 13 romans 13 that's the first chapter that anarcho-christians get

01:06:00.600 thrown in their face to uh yeah i can't throw it in your face because i can't recite it what is it

01:06:05.500 jesus is saying give unto caesar what's what's owed to caesar like does this face have my does

01:06:10.180 this coin have my face on it no so give it to that guy but i'm talking about in first timothy where

01:06:14.880 jesus is giving the parable of the man that's going to be fired from his job soon and he goes

01:06:20.800 oh right right the the guy goes out and he starts he takes his master's coin and he starts uh

01:06:25.900 settling the debt settling debts at a at a deep discount with with his clients yeah fire sales

01:06:32.160 and jesus goes hey you were smart to do that because you're definitely gonna get fired you

01:06:35.400 suck at your job but later on you can call in this favor so in a sense this guy's operating 0.71

01:06:41.080 in a weird way within the world in order to survive. 0.99

01:06:46.320 And Jesus says, that's okay.

01:06:47.980 And I'm just like, where do we put this?

01:06:50.100 What do we, you know?

01:06:51.440 Yeah, that's a tricky one.

01:06:52.620 I mean, but like you were saying, Raven,

01:06:54.100 it's, you know, in the world, but not of the world.

01:06:55.780 I mean, we can't be foolish in the sense that

01:06:58.180 we're not going to just hover above the broken world, 0.71

01:07:02.060 the sinful world that we live in.

01:07:03.380 I mean, we do have to operate in it.

01:07:06.080 But I think one of the lessons of that particular parable

01:07:09.160 is shrewdness, you know?

01:07:10.440 I mean, you don't – it's about being shrewd, and it's also about not being lazy and not being unwise is my take on that.

01:07:20.140 But Romans 13 is a trickier issue because it talks about respecting the government. 0.91

01:07:26.240 And you're just like, okay, well, we are ruled by flesh-eating Epstein-class pedophiles.

01:07:33.080 But in fact, they were living with the same government. 0.93

01:07:37.260 Like what is Nero?

01:07:37.940 So they weren't encountering anything that we're not encountering now, and yet I think that part of the thing with Romans 13 is that you have to be able to survive in order to spread the message.

01:07:51.720 And if you're constantly – this is the problem with a lot of anarchists is that they just want to protest.

01:07:56.700 They want a bloody revolution.

01:07:58.100 They want the French Revolution all over again.

01:07:59.960 Obviously that's not the right path.

01:08:01.600 I mean the French Revolution did not work out very well for lots of people.

01:08:05.100 The French Revolution didn't. 0.56

01:08:06.240 You know, I mean, so it's like if you want to continue to spread the message and you need to be a peaceable citizen up to the point where you're facing a Nebuchadnezzar scenario, it's like, OK, bow down to this idol. 0.60

01:08:19.220 Well, I'm going to be a martyr then.

01:08:21.700 Right.

01:08:22.460 Yeah, like that.

01:08:23.460 But up until that point, you do need to be a peaceful citizen because you need to be able to go about your life, raise your family and spread the message of Christ.

01:08:31.840 And you can't do that if you're in prison.

01:08:33.200 well what about the idea too that it's it's um there's a difference between using these systems

01:08:40.040 uh when it makes sense and putting your faith in a system or an institution or a process

01:08:46.500 that's you know uh government adjacent because um i just think that let's say within the the

01:08:54.540 the idea of war or or the police um where are you placing your faith that this situation is

01:09:01.120 going to be remedied, whether that situation be your safety or the future prosperity of a nation

01:09:06.500 or any of those things, your faith should be placed in God. If you're walking around with

01:09:13.560 faith in the institutions of man, maybe that's more so the problem?

01:09:18.660 Oh, that is exactly the problem, especially with people that don't know Christ.

01:09:22.960 Because you have to place your faith in something. You have to. Everybody does. Otherwise,

01:09:27.120 you wouldn't get out of bed in the morning and a lot of people just place their faith in secular

01:09:31.740 institutions or ideas like science you know i mean but yeah that that is exactly the key problem that

01:09:38.600 a lot of people are contending with and don't even realize they're contending with it honestly

01:09:41.780 because you have to place your faith in christ in christ alone otherwise you're going to be lost

01:09:46.660 here here's an example maybe on a on a micro scale so can i just say before we move from the

01:09:53.740 romans passage when i read that people do throw that in people's faces uh christians faces and 0.99

01:09:59.480 they're like yeah you should obey the government how stupid are you but i'm like it's just for me 0.97

01:10:03.660 when i read it i'm like jesus is giving you very good advice it's honestly the same advice that i 0.98

01:10:08.780 give i gave uh my libertarian followers back in the day before i was like overtly spreading the

01:10:16.780 gospel or even like at that point i wasn't i didn't want anything to do with the church or

01:10:20.920 got it but i would tell them like hey you're saying don't pay your taxes and here's the way 0.94

01:10:25.760 i was like hey do that because you're gonna get your head cut off and you're more useful to me 0.95

01:10:31.780 uh not in jail or dead right you know you're more useful to this idea having children and 0.97

01:10:39.080 spreading this idea and making it grow or you can be you know like the bitcoin i think they're the

01:10:44.680 bitcoin six in new hampshire these guys tossed in jail and their lives are hell for like the and

01:10:51.380 they're making a moot point like we we all understand that but we have to play this game

01:10:55.900 give them a thing they have the guns right now be aware of where we are positioned here yeah

01:11:01.960 stay alive i think that's a good point like if you're thrown in prison um you know you you can

01:11:07.600 still spread the gospel right if you're dead you can't so it's like whatever whatever um i wonder

01:11:13.360 is is like get under the radar and keep spreading the gospel and keep propagating and keep making

01:11:18.860 believers of men and disciples of men and the second you you know get your neck kneeled on

01:11:25.320 for too long like it's over you can't do that anymore so maybe there is something to be said

01:11:29.540 about that too where it's like stay in the game like i wonder i wonder how jesus felt about his

01:11:34.200 cousin being killed at the time he was killed for uh i think he was criticizing uh uh one of

01:11:41.520 one of the emperor's wives i forgot exactly the offense that like really put his head on the

01:11:45.480 chair they wanted to kill him anyway because they didn't like him you're talking about john the

01:11:48.540 baptist yeah yeah i just wonder if jesus was probably like hey man you could have just shut 0.91

01:11:54.760 up for a little bit longer he was gonna get his head cut off eventually but it's like

01:11:59.000 a week another week of preaching or baptizing people what does that do for the kingdom i don't

01:12:03.780 know i don't know but yeah that could be a cautionary tale and by the way so what i was

01:12:10.380 talking about was this idea on the micro of, um, you have faith that God will heal you. Right.

01:12:15.960 But, and, and obviously your first route should be prayer and commuting with the Lord about this

01:12:20.740 thing that ails you. But then after that, is it not reasonable? If, especially if it's something

01:12:25.380 it's like, I need antibiotics. Like I have faith that God is going to heal me, but I'm going to do

01:12:30.940 the things that I need to do because if God's like, yeah, I was going to heal you. Um, but you

01:12:35.860 never got off your ass to go get the antibiotics prescription you know what i mean like so so it's 0.99

01:12:41.160 like the idea of using a system but your faith is still in the lord and in fact first foremost you 0.99

01:12:47.920 came to god and laid your problem at his feet fundamentally first that was and that speaks to

01:12:53.500 the faith of the situation and then after that to go like all right it's in god's hands now

01:12:57.400 in the meantime i'm gonna do what i can i'm gonna get some sunlight i'm gonna get some vitamin c i'll

01:13:01.700 go pick up these antibiotics. And, you know, let's do this thing. I think that you can probably

01:13:06.680 navigate these systems. But first and foremost, your faith is in the Lord. Right, right. But I

01:13:11.920 mean, there's no scriptural prohibition against being proactive, you know, right, right, you know, 0.99

01:13:18.780 I mean, of course, your faith comes first, but you also have to just, you know, not be a dumbass. 0.99

01:13:24.160 Like, it's not that hard to not be a dumbass. It's actually pretty simple. And I think that's 0.99

01:13:28.120 Sorry. Yeah. Well, yes, I think that's where the non-aggression principle tripped me up.

01:13:34.200 But it's also just a misunderstanding of it. And and how like the application of certain libertarians when they're talking about the non-aggression principle, it's almost like this non-preparation thing.

01:13:43.880 Yeah. And I'm like, no, no, like you can shore up. You can shore up against events happening.

01:13:48.460 That's not aggression. That's actually smart. Yeah. To think about these things like what will happen if I do X, Y, Z.

01:13:54.580 and that that bothered me a lot about it and it gives it a bad name it gives it like it kind of

01:14:00.540 just makes it feel like people are willing to accept whatever but i'm like no no you can change

01:14:04.660 circumstances you don't have to be violent around it you can be smart we can prepare and store up

01:14:09.600 treasures for the future if yeah i may um but uh there was a i wanted to ask you a question about

01:14:17.440 a certain part in the article here that was interesting i didn't know that you broke your

01:14:21.480 like when did this happen you broke your oh uh yeah yeah um your femur it was a good one yeah

01:14:28.120 the day before christmas eve alex said hey let's take the kids ice skating that'll be fun

01:14:32.840 and uh i was like if you asked me how dangerous ice skating was before to this i'd be like zero

01:14:37.700 percent like you know and uh yeah i we we skated for about an hour always had a lot of fun i had

01:14:45.800 fun no problems and i was exiting the rink and i like decelerating like i was i wasn't going i

01:14:52.200 wasn't trying anything fancy no tricks just exiting the rink and my legs went out completely

01:14:56.440 from under me i landed exactly on my hip at the perfect section of my hip to just split the femur

01:15:01.860 this way broke like like a long way dude yeah yeah oh dude yeah yeah it was a good one i'd never

01:15:11.500 Never, never, never broken a bone, never had a surgery, but, uh, you know, thanks to God's

01:15:15.680 providence, I was put in a surgery that night and I got the, I got the hardware in right

01:15:19.620 now.

01:15:20.120 I'm good as new. 1.00

01:15:21.240 How bad did that shit hurt? 1.00

01:15:23.520 It's unimaginably painful. 1.00

01:15:24.840 Actually, it's so painful that, uh, my wife, she has a dear friend who's a doula and she

01:15:30.480 coached her through our second child's birth and the doula came to the emergency room and

01:15:34.640 coached me through the pain.

01:15:36.600 Wow.

01:15:37.360 Yeah, dude, that's like a blinding white hot pain.

01:15:40.180 Oh, I hope it never happens to you. Never break your femur. If you have the opportunity to break

01:15:44.800 your femur, just decline. Don't do it. I was thinking about it. I actually had it coming up

01:15:48.980 and I think I'll push that off now. No, actually, I mean, and the coaching was actually really

01:15:55.300 simple. It's the same coaching that she gives women in extreme pain and labor. It's just like

01:15:58.940 breathe. Cause when you're in that much pain, you don't breathe. You just like the pain just

01:16:03.580 overtakes your entire body. And it was just like breathe and just like taking deep breaths. And

01:16:08.720 I want to just say this for the audience as well, anyone who's listening. I bought this thing. It's

01:16:17.540 like a $10 thing. It's a diaphragm exerciser. And you're talking about the idea of breathing. And I

01:16:23.200 noticed I'm like, I'm not breathing correctly. A lot of times I'm like just doing so I have a

01:16:27.920 broken nose from a while back. So I only breathe through one nostril most of the time. And most of

01:16:33.360 time i'm just worried about doing shit and not about the control of my breath so like my diaphragm 0.98

01:16:39.760 sucks it's it's not strengthened the way it should be so i picked this thing up and i've been using 0.93

01:16:44.640 it for a week or so and it just like as far as mental clarity goes it changes everything it like 0.86

01:16:51.760 it's it goes in your mouth it's like a uh mouthpiece but then at the front of it you can

01:16:56.080 actually close it or open it depending depending on how much air intake you want to allow and

01:17:01.040 You'll breathe in through your mouth or breathe out for long extended periods of time and

01:17:05.200 it expands and contracts your diaphragm, strengthens it. 0.84

01:17:07.880 And I'm like, damn, this actually has helped me in real life. 0.97

01:17:13.180 It's crazy. 1.00

01:17:13.880 It's very stupid. 1.00

01:17:15.440 No shit. 1.00

01:17:16.040 That's cool. 0.99

01:17:17.000 Yeah, just breathing, you know, practicing breathing.

01:17:19.260 Maybe people should think about one of the most important things we do every day.

01:17:24.000 Totally.

01:17:24.700 Yeah.

01:17:25.260 Yeah.

01:17:26.000 Chris, I wanted to go back to something.

01:17:27.740 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:17:28.160 Go on.

01:17:28.760 No, no, please, please.

01:17:29.440 so you had mentioned earlier uh at the top of the show this idea of the but we got to get back to

01:17:34.380 his broken leg though because there's some important stuff there but go ahead all right

01:17:36.860 fine we'll remember that let's couch that for a second messianic jew cult oh okay oh yeah that 0.86

01:17:41.700 was a good one tell me about it yeah uh so of course we were always shifting churches in the 0.87

01:17:47.260 mountains of kentucky because they were basically glorified uh social clubs you know i mean there's

01:17:52.100 really no jesus there there's no scripture i mean it's just people getting together and talking

01:17:56.720 shit about each other and uh from going to a baptist church methodist church to a pentecostal 0.88

01:18:01.900 church we just did the cycle until we finally landed at a messianic jewish uh church it was 0.99

01:18:07.180 the rabbi was a uh italian american that was a a car expert he always had grease on his hands

01:18:15.900 because he worked on cars during the day and uh they basically they the whole thought of messianic

01:18:21.940 judaism is that well uh yeshua did did these you know rituals he did he wore the the tiny hat and

01:18:30.560 he did all this stuff so we're gonna do what yeshua does you know but there wasn't a jew in 0.98

01:18:34.920 the place it was all like you know uh goys that were members of this church uh but yeah they

01:18:41.180 followed the rabbinical laws and customs and everything but it's kind of my understanding

01:18:46.580 that they like they're just christians who are trying to preach the gospel to jews specifically

01:18:54.020 um there there's a strain of that but this particular church was more self-contained it

01:18:59.900 wasn't uh evangelical in the sense that it was trying to spread the message it was just it was

01:19:03.940 literally more like we're going to do the jewish stuff because jesus did the jewish stuff but if

01:19:10.760 they believe in jesus then i mean because that's the entire thing the jews don't believe that

01:19:17.980 jesus was the messiah and they're still waiting for their moshiak so you know whereas christians

01:19:23.060 believe it's the second coming um they're waiting for the first and then there's even this additional

01:19:28.920 layer that when they will get a moshiak and that will be the antichrist and they'll effectively

01:19:34.540 celebrate him you know yada yada um those days are coming that's happening soon i think right 0.94

01:19:40.540 Well, I mean, yeah, they're trying to engineer red heifers to get it done. 0.93

01:19:45.240 But, I mean, if you believe in – this has always been my issue with the Messianic Jew thing is, like, if you believe in Christ, then you're not a Jew. 0.92

01:19:53.780 You're a Christian. 0.78

01:19:55.660 And the whole thing is just very confusing. 0.65

01:19:58.700 It feels like layers of convolutedness that are unnecessary.

01:20:03.720 It is, yeah.

01:20:04.480 And, I mean, I agree with that broadly.

01:20:06.020 I mean, like, it was just, literally, it was just like, it was basically Christians that follow Jewish customs, and their reasoning is, Jesus did these customs, so we're going to do what he did, essentially.

01:20:17.280 Yeah, but, I mean, I learned Hebrew there, you know, I mean, like, they were very strict about the Hebrew Jewish tradition and customs, but they still believed in Yeshua as their Messiah. 0.55

01:20:29.280 That's fascinating, because we've been grafted onto the vine, there's no need for Jewish custom. 0.83

01:20:33.520 um they talked about the grafting quite a bit actually um despite the fact that they still 0.90

01:20:38.280 followed those customs so i don't know i like i wasn't i wasn't there very long maybe a couple

01:20:42.000 years okay you know me and my family really they've realized they're just like this is kind of

01:20:46.900 crazy like we can't have i remember we showed up with a pepperoni pizza one time and they like

01:20:51.560 threw it in the trash you know they're just like oh no no no you can't have you can't have pepperoni

01:20:55.420 yeah yeah yeah so they're very uh literal minded in that sense but it's but scripture literally

01:21:01.240 says uh any food that's received with thanksgiving right permitted right and so yeah but i guess it's

01:21:07.820 very selective in there oh yeah believe me i'm i'm not gonna make it i'm not i'm not gonna mount

01:21:12.860 a defense for what these people practice at this church that i went to when i was a teenager but

01:21:17.660 right right yeah that's uh they had their own view of things yeah very interesting very very yeah

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01:21:52.200 for 30 days at whoop.com so um i mean i guess as we're kind of approaching i want to know so you

01:21:59.640 You break your leg, boy.

01:22:01.860 How do you live with trauma?

01:22:03.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:03.900 Do you want to see it?

01:22:04.680 I mean.

01:22:05.400 No way.

01:22:06.140 No, no.

01:22:07.280 I got pumped.

01:22:08.180 I was like, let's go.

01:22:09.040 What happens here?

01:22:11.240 What happens with you and your faith?

01:22:13.120 Because there's an interesting thing that we've been told.

01:22:15.720 I've been talking about with Matt about old Paul specifically having this thorn in his side.

01:22:21.060 And I have this idea that, you know, he's like, basically, God has chosen to let this pain in my side remain.

01:22:28.740 and and he thanks god for that and i just have this idea that uh a lot of times these physical

01:22:36.400 ailments that we have pain struggles i mean it's not my idea but they are meant there to they're

01:22:42.300 there to glorify god in some form or fashion and they all lead if approach correctly if you're not

01:22:49.080 just sitting there in your own sorrows and you're actually now reflecting on yourself

01:22:52.420 there's some time of like it's a big time of self-improvement a lot of spiritual change can

01:22:57.360 happen when you have these injuries, ailments, sicknesses, whatever it is. What did you experience?

01:23:03.440 Well, I wish I could say that I dealt with it with a overwhelming Christian forbearance,

01:23:08.640 but that's not the case. I mean, initially I like I never experienced anything like this. So I was

01:23:14.300 I was very worried. And my my oldest kid was because we were at the ice rink and my kid was

01:23:18.840 like so upset. Like he saw me clearly in a lot of pain and he thought I was going to die. He didn't

01:23:23.800 think I was going to be home for Christmas. He was traumatized by this, seeing me wheeled out

01:23:28.820 on a gurney and everything. I was very worried when I got into that ambulance. There was this

01:23:35.700 kid, probably 22, 23, that was in the back of the ambulance with me. After he got all my information

01:23:39.560 and everything, I mentioned something about Jesus or God. I was out of my mind. He was just like,

01:23:46.920 oh, so you're a spiritual guy. I was just like, well, I mean, we're going to a really nice church

01:23:50.120 now. And I'm a believer. And it turned out that that kid in the back of the ambulance with me

01:23:55.120 has been a member of my church since he was a little kid. So that was my first sign. I was just

01:24:00.900 like, okay, all right, stop worrying. Don't be afraid. Just God's got this. Just deal with the

01:24:06.080 pain. He's already sent somebody from your church to help take care of you in the back of that

01:24:10.920 ambulance. And then a pastor came into my room. I mean, a surgeon showed up and crammed me into

01:24:18.180 a surgery, like every single thing just like lined up. I mean, like my, my wife's doula came

01:24:22.820 and took care of, like, I had all these angels that showed up along the way and, uh, and helped

01:24:28.420 me get through it. And, uh, the recovery was tough. I mean, I, I got drunk a lot after I got

01:24:32.960 off the oxys, you know, I, I, my wife was just like, you're getting lazy. You're not doing

01:24:36.900 anything. And I was like, yeah, I know, I know I'm, I'm being very late. I just, I had to learn

01:24:40.260 how to walk again. So, um, it was tough. And, uh, and there was definite periods of drunkenness

01:24:46.140 and laziness and sorrow. But, uh, looking back on it now, I realized that, uh, God had me the

01:24:52.060 whole time. And even when I lost confidence in, um, in his oversight of my situation. So.

01:24:59.440 Those are the best times to be, um, looking back on it, like if you don't have that kind of

01:25:04.600 experience, life is, uh, life is a bit dull and you can go through these motions. So it's like,

01:25:11.740 I know it's crazy to say, but man, I do thank God for those times where it's like, are you

01:25:17.520 even real?

01:25:18.520 Oh, yeah.

01:25:18.880 Like, what is going on?

01:25:19.820 You know, after the flood, Noah's drunk too.

01:25:23.560 He's Noah's in a very similar situation.

01:25:25.560 No wonder.

01:25:26.780 Yeah.

01:25:27.160 Yeah, no wonder.

01:25:28.300 You're isolated.

01:25:29.500 You're in pain.

01:25:30.340 Everybody's dead.

01:25:31.640 Well, I'll share one more anecdote with you that I've been sharing with everybody that

01:25:35.920 will listen to me.

01:25:36.940 So I was fresh off of a sermon a couple weeks ago.

01:25:40.340 the pastor talked he's talking about elijah and elijah hearing the sound of rain before the rain

01:25:45.540 came and the you know they were in a drought and then he told the king to you know he's like i hear

01:25:49.900 the rain you got to go and he sent his his servant out there to look for the rain and at a certain

01:25:54.920 point the servant comes and he says oh i see a cloud the size of a man's hand he was like all

01:25:59.580 right the rain's coming and our pastor kind of dialed it down to ears of faith knees of prayer

01:26:07.860 feet of hope use your faith pray and then have confidence to walk forward and our one of our

01:26:15.520 neighbors she has an elderly mother and who's not doing very well and she mistakenly opened the

01:26:21.900 window to their house and let the cat out by accident there was a screen there the cat got

01:26:26.980 loose so uh that monday morning the neighbor was just like we're looking for our cat we've been

01:26:31.580 looking all night can't find her and with zero confidence i said i'll find the cat don't worry 0.98

01:26:36.980 about it so i was just like shit i'm never gonna find this fucking cat why did i say that so i go 0.99

01:26:43.740 i go outside and i was just like what am i gonna do how am i gonna find this fucking cat like i 0.99

01:26:47.540 mean you find a dog but how are you gonna find a fucking cat yeah so i the first thing i do i'm 0.99

01:26:52.020 walking around the neighborhood and i the first thing i said was the lord's prayer and i was like 0.99

01:26:56.480 all right now what and i said god you know when every sparrow falls you know the numbers of hairs

01:27:02.640 in her head i don't know where this cat is but you do where's this cat and god said to me i know

01:27:09.180 that sounds crazy maybe it's not god said to me check that bush and i looked around the corner

01:27:14.380 and i saw a bush and i was just like there is no way that cat's in that bush and he said look and

01:27:19.120 see and i crawled under this massive bush there was the cat so i grabbed i pulled out the cat i

01:27:26.520 gave her to the neighbor i was like i got her she's like i can't believe you found her i was

01:27:29.080 like, I didn't. I literally did not find this cat. God told me where this cat was. And I've been

01:27:34.820 able to use this story to evangelize to all of my neighbors where I live. Because I had this

01:27:40.780 reputation for finding cats. And I was like, you're the hero. You found that cat. And I was

01:27:43.820 like, I did not find this cat. God spoke to me. I prayed. God told me where that cat was. That's

01:27:48.700 how I found it. So I've had this opportunity to sort of use a testimony to everybody that I know

01:27:54.040 in this neighborhood. People don't even want to know about God. They don't want to know about

01:27:56.220 jesus i want to know any of this stuff but nevertheless there's this opportunity that i

01:28:00.460 have to talk about how this cat got found because god showed me where she was that's funny because

01:28:05.320 people think they don't want to hear about jesus but like they do want to hear about how you found

01:28:08.660 a cat because that's hard as hell yeah i don't think you're seeing that because i know i could

01:28:14.240 tell from uh like the standpoint of a regular person once you say like yeah god told me they

01:28:20.000 probably go up this guy's out of his mind like what yeah what have you been hearing i told well

01:28:25.180 yeah i i actually shared this story with my pastor and he was just like he asked me the same question

01:28:28.860 he's like what do your neighbors think about that when you tell them that god told you that cat was

01:28:33.100 yeah um some people well you know what ultimately the results speak for themselves

01:28:38.780 right it's a very straightforward thing cats are super hard to find once they get out

01:28:43.980 and this is the way that it happened and i can't i they keep trying to give me credit and i i can't

01:28:49.740 i literally cannot take credit for it like zero chance i would have found that cat if i hadn't

01:28:54.380 just had the presence of mind to pray about it and i don't even know why i did that about it's 0.98

01:28:58.940 just a stupid fucking cat but nevertheless i was just like well this is really important to my 0.99

01:29:04.000 neighbors they like they don't want to lose their cat it's a beloved animal they you know yeah and 0.99

01:29:07.800 uh and it all worked out so i'm i'm happy about that i want to ask you something as we kind of

01:29:13.820 bring this in uh for a close and it might shake out some interesting stories but i've heard

01:29:18.960 Obviously, talking to our mutual friend, Shane Cashman, and his experience on Tim Cass, where he's reading scripture and he's in the presence of Gary, the numbers guy.

01:29:28.820 And I watched it.

01:29:31.800 I watched I didn't watch the whole broadcast, but I saw some of the key clips where he's just firing off scripture.

01:29:36.920 Yeah.

01:29:37.540 So for you, that must have been a really cool because, you know, what it's like there and, you know, what a almost a monumental task that would be right.

01:29:47.280 Like, what a deviation from what the normal flow of a show is.

01:29:50.480 Got Shane fired.

01:29:51.420 Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you're going to go there, but, you know, Shane was saying that the spiritual heaviness in that place when he walked in, didn't know who Gary was.

01:30:03.440 Gary shoots it off, you know, color comment about there's no Christians here, right?

01:30:09.100 And all this stuff that leads up to it that convicts Shane to just respond in scripture.

01:30:13.700 You being there, Chris, you've probably seen so many different types of people come and go. What's it like being a Christian in that environment? I'm sure there's times where it, you know, everything's on God's side. And there's times where you're in the presence of people that are not about that at all. What's that like?

01:30:34.840 yeah i mean uh well tim is situated in west virginia which is a state that i despise

01:30:41.360 and a state that has i think uh in some measure a pretty heavy demonic presence

01:30:47.320 yeah um and there's been some peculiar activity uh in that area uh not just in the studio but on

01:30:55.460 the property uh so i'm aware of that but i do spend a lot of time there you're not talking

01:31:00.140 Are you talking about supernatural activity?

01:31:02.600 Well, it's Appalachia, right?

01:31:03.580 Yeah, Tim has talked about this publicly, about some very strange things that have happened in the studio.

01:31:09.120 It's a weird place.

01:31:10.100 Well, driving from the airport to there, sorry to interrupt again, but I did notice large swaths of either empty land or what looked like desolate living conditions.

01:31:21.320 So when you did the show, he was in Maryland.

01:31:24.580 He has a totally different studio now that's even, I think it's like a half hour from that studio.

01:31:29.440 So he's moved into an even more rural area where it's more desolate, more broken up, way too rural for my liking.

01:31:38.160 But you're still right there, right?

01:31:39.340 Appalachian Mountains is – I mean that's the whole – that whole area is spooky as hell.

01:31:44.080 It is.

01:31:44.540 I mean, well, I mean in order to get to the studio, you have to drive past the area where they made the Blair Witch Project.

01:31:50.240 Whoa.

01:31:50.440 You know, Burkittsville.

01:31:51.720 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:52.600 Wow.

01:31:52.880 Yeah, Burkittsville is about 25 minutes from here.

01:31:55.140 That's interesting.

01:31:55.300 So, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff in this particular area of the country.

01:32:00.580 But, you know, I mean, everybody that I work with, I get along with.

01:32:05.300 It's a mix.

01:32:06.500 I think it's basically a lot of agnostics that I spend time with.

01:32:09.280 But, you know, every time I'm around them and every time that Tim invites me on the show, I use the opportunity to evangelize. 0.99

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01:32:46.180 To the chagrin of the chatters and the people that I'm on the panel with.

01:32:50.100 And it's interesting because even when I'm on with somebody like Libby Emmons, you know, she gets very, you know, combative about Christianity and I have my own perspective and everything.

01:32:59.840 But, you know, it's I just I use the opportunity to just do the work and be kind to people.

01:33:07.640 I take care of people. I'm polite to people.

01:33:09.880 You know, I mean, I don't want to annoy them with my anarcho-Christian shit. 0.98

01:33:15.180 But whenever there's an opportunity to speak about it, I use that opportunity, you know. 1.00

01:33:19.200 So that's a great place to be. You know, I've heard things about it's humble. It's humble for sure. It's hard to do. I've heard things about Tim where it's like he doesn't care what you believe. He doesn't care who you associate with, you know, meaning the people that are there working for him, working with him.

01:33:37.900 I do hear a lot of things in regards to he's very cool about that. And so what he has created is this very fascinating, you know, arena that has tremendous reach.

01:33:51.700 And then you get to pass in and out of that arena. And when the opportunity presents itself, spread the gospel. That's a really, really unique place to be, especially when it's not just open to Christians. It's open to everybody, including maybe a fat dysgenic numerologist.

01:34:09.960 so it's a great thing to do and i i'd hope that the listeners and the you know the the members of

01:34:16.260 nds like the audience like pray pray for chris because what you're doing when you get that

01:34:21.460 opportunity it's it's not easy like to number one to know what to say in the hour or at least to let

01:34:27.040 that spirit flow through you without being intimidated by the situation and the cameras

01:34:30.860 and it's it is it is a little bit overwhelming like just you know i did it one time and i i

01:34:37.680 wasn't at that level or of uh the level of understanding like the live stuff and like the

01:34:42.640 producing and it's it can get a little crazy a lot yeah knowing a hundred thousand people or more

01:34:47.360 will see that it's it's it's hard to do so i i hope i i hate it i hate it every time i mean like

01:34:54.520 i'm a writer i like to think very carefully about what i say and what i think and then put it down

01:34:59.680 into words and sentences and paragraphs yeah i'm not a broadcaster but nevertheless i keep getting

01:35:05.480 invited onto the show and it never gets easier especially because like now that i'm on my 0.87

01:35:10.660 anarcho-christian shit like you know tim is all i always end up arguing with them and the last 0.90

01:35:15.720 thing i want to do is have a debate with tim pool about christianity or anarchism yeah all these 0.97

01:35:21.620 people watching i hate it but you know what i gotta stand on it that's what i believe and i just

01:35:26.940 i just have a totally heterodox perspective on all of these news items that come up you know i mean

01:35:32.920 And they kind of, you know, they're all just kind of like MAGA, right wing, conservative, you know, they just have like very kind of mainline opinions.

01:35:41.020 And I'm just like the bombshell, you know, and it's just like, well, I'm not going to lie, you know, but at the same time, I don't really want to have a debate.

01:35:49.640 I don't like debates. I don't like broadcasts.

01:35:52.220 You know what's great about that though, Chris?

01:35:54.120 Like, so on this show, we're talking to an audience that gets it.

01:35:58.080 And in some ways, you might ask, is that redundant?

01:36:01.600 Right.

01:36:01.820 I mean, you're meant to make disciples of men and spread the gospel.

01:36:05.660 And, you know, I'm grateful that God uses this show.

01:36:09.220 We get emails all the time.

01:36:10.440 People say, hey, this thing that you do helped me get closer to God.

01:36:14.720 And I go, that's fantastic.

01:36:15.920 That's really cool.

01:36:17.020 You're talking to people, Chris, when you're on that show that are in need of it and don't hear it.

01:36:23.800 And so that's actually even more unique.

01:36:26.800 Like I said, we're almost preaching to the choir here in very many ways.

01:36:31.820 but you're showing up as as a stranger in a foreign land um and i share that sort of issue

01:36:38.760 as well where i'll talk about you know these these issues whether they're political or cultural

01:36:42.640 and i talk about it through a comedic lens um kind of taking the piss out of it because i don't

01:36:47.080 believe that any of it is is really that important um and the world has always been the way that the

01:36:52.340 world is now it's just maybe we're we're being um we're having it revealed to us again but

01:36:56.920 we don't have a tremendous audience overlap i would say between us and tim cast probably zero

01:37:02.000 but if you're out there and you're zero you should be if you're listening if you listen 0.98

01:37:06.740 to us and tim cast number one whoa number two and you that's fucking crazy what is wrong with you 0.92

01:37:13.780 you might actually be schizophrenic but if you see those episodes dude and chris is on it and 0.95

01:37:18.960 chris is talking about the gospel you know make yourself known in the comments let let the people

01:37:23.340 who are running that show see that and go oh wait a second like this is resonating with people it's

01:37:28.520 a cool full circle kind of idea though from what you uh began talking about in the beginning of

01:37:32.600 this episode um with your wife when you went to see that movie from angel angel studios yeah i

01:37:38.240 saw my kids too and i thought whatever like kids movie i actually didn't what i didn't like the

01:37:43.320 most about it was the perspective of it being told from john in a way like as a child like like they

01:37:49.260 were following him do it i just found it whatever but your wife for some reason was like what it

01:37:54.640 took yeah that's what it took this movie that didn't really move me at all that's what it took

01:38:00.840 for your wife so it's like i don't know i don't know the tool that's going to be used for whatever

01:38:05.940 needs to be done to unlock somebody's mind but you're that tool for someone i'm glad i'm glad

01:38:10.300 you're in the spot that you're in yeah i'm glad you're at tim cast dog that's a crazy thing i

01:38:15.180 didn't think i'm glad you're there man that's awesome uh nice i wanted to ask one more question

01:38:22.700 and then and then we'll ask our final question which we haven't asked oh yeah we haven't asked

01:38:26.140 this in a while for uh a regular christian like a regular like like for the normal christian

01:38:33.220 person what would it look like for them to start to uh embrace tenets of anarcho-christianity

01:38:40.360 how would that change what would be the first thing that how would you implement that

01:38:45.180 Like tomorrow, what, yeah, and how would that extrapolate down their life?

01:38:49.640 What do you, I don't even know if that's a question.

01:38:51.820 No, I think that is.

01:38:52.480 No, no, no, it is.

01:38:55.040 The first thing you do is you remove your faith from any institutions, including democracy.

01:39:02.620 Democracy is a demented, deranged idea.

01:39:05.700 Like we were talking about, you know, Samuel 8, and it's just like, well, God appointed a king. 1.00

01:39:09.540 well, that's much better, infinitely much better than the people, as retarded and stupid as they 1.00

01:39:17.020 are, picking their own leader. That makes no sense in any regard. So you have to dislodge 1.00

01:39:25.320 your faith in the system of democracy. You also have to dislodge your faith in the court systems

01:39:31.400 and the police. So, I mean, it's really just like doing less. You don't participate in the voting

01:39:39.000 system. You don't vote in local, state, or national elections. You don't maintain a faith

01:39:45.520 that any leader you elect, whether it's your city council member or your president, is going to

01:39:50.720 improve your life one iota. And then you're going to, oh, just two things. Avoid court at any,

01:39:58.660 court is the devil's playground. You might think, oh, you have to remove yourself from this idea

01:40:04.700 that you're going to receive any palpable sense of justice from the court system what about jury

01:40:10.860 duty oh jury duty i would love to be called for a jury i never have so you go to jury duty and

01:40:17.500 you show up and you say um uh yes judge i don't acknowledge your authority and i don't acknowledge

01:40:22.680 your ability to administer justice dude that's so funny i got right home i got called for jury

01:40:27.980 duty maybe it was last year and for the first time in my life and the guy the defendant had

01:40:33.180 like face tattoos and they said something to the effect of is there any reason why anybody in the

01:40:38.200 jury wouldn't be able to judge your peer non-biasedly or whatever i raised my hand and they were like

01:40:44.020 uh you sir and i said yeah he's got face tattoos just looks like a bad guy and they go you have

01:40:51.720 tattoos and i said yeah if you thought i was a bad guy i'd get it you know and they were like

01:40:56.980 so you can't judge this guy without and i said no no i mean 0.98

01:41:00.660 fantastic we're turning around and looking at me like i was a piece of shit but i went home 0.98

01:41:07.960 and they didn't oh yeah oh yeah that's exactly right man that's yeah he just looked like a bad 0.97

01:41:14.220 dude i was like he did it 100 there's no way he didn't that's great oh my god yeah yeah that's

01:41:20.720 what i would say um just uh stop doing things stop voting don't don't put your faith in the

01:41:26.320 political system. Don't put your faith in the justice system. The justice system here, it's a

01:41:31.080 devil's playground. And we saw that. We see that in prominent court cases now. I mean, it's just

01:41:35.660 like once you're in a courtroom, it can go either which way. And Satan is the top litigator in

01:41:42.700 existence. He has been since from the beginning. And you know that. I mean, you see the bargaining

01:41:49.580 that he went through with God over Job. I mean, was it Jude where they talk about how Satan was

01:41:55.040 still trying to relitigate the bones of moses yeah yeah yeah and and to the anarcho-christian

01:42:03.600 point mark the uh archangel uh michael right michael michael was just like i'm not dealing

01:42:10.740 with you satan he was like the first entity to say not today satan he was just like nope i'm not

01:42:14.900 dealing with you god deal with you like that that is how you have to proceed with things it's just 0.99

01:42:19.020 like i'm not dealing with the satanic shit i'm not going to deal with it i'm not going to deal 0.99

01:42:22.460 with litigation. I'm not going to deal with all of the, you know, fine laws and stuff. I'm not 0.99

01:42:27.360 going to have anything to do with it. God can deal with you. That's what you have to do. Resist the

01:42:31.320 devil and he will flee. That's the whole anarcho-Christian precept. Resist the devil and 0.84

01:42:36.140 he will flee. It begins with resistance and it can begin with resistance for regular people,

01:42:40.480 regular Christians, opting out of this demented system of democracy and opting out of ever going 0.90

01:42:45.180 to court for any reason. Somebody sues you for something, just give them more and see what 1.00

01:42:48.400 happens that's interesting i like it i like it i mean yeah you're you're drawing from when these

01:42:53.600 guys when these guys out there are praying for the republican party we gotta we gotta stop that

01:42:56.940 it gets weird you can do it but not with enough force where it's like super you know immoral or

01:43:03.920 anything like that you just slap them around just yeah slap them around don't get emotional about

01:43:09.520 it um yeah yeah yeah chris this is a question that we're supposed we're supposed to ask at

01:43:13.860 the end of every show haven't asked it in a long time but i am interested to hear your answer to

01:43:17.240 One more question before that. Have you spoken with Tom Woods? I feel like Tom Woods would be an interesting discussion.

01:43:23.020 I've met Tom, and I've seen him speak a couple of occasions, but I don't speak with him regularly.

01:43:29.880 But I know who he is, and he's really good.

01:43:32.000 Yeah, I just wonder.

01:43:32.960 If every libertarian was like Tom Woods, we'd be in a much better place.

01:43:37.740 Agreed.

01:43:38.360 Yeah.

01:43:38.820 Agreed.

01:43:39.520 But David, ask him a question.

01:43:41.140 So in all of your, I mean, everything that you're doing, the only, one of the only Christians on Timcast, you know, whenever the panel's up, the articles that you're writing, the life that you're trying to live.

01:43:52.100 The leg that you're healing.

01:43:54.480 Leg better, dude.

01:43:55.720 All better.

01:43:56.620 Good, good, good.

01:43:57.380 Are you having fun?

01:44:00.260 Yeah.

01:44:00.840 I mean, I got two boys.

01:44:02.200 They're four and six.

01:44:02.960 I mean, they're a blast.

01:44:03.940 We're building Legos.

01:44:05.380 We're going to playgrounds.

01:44:06.640 I mean, we're doing tons of stuff.

01:44:08.480 They keep me young.

01:44:09.200 They keep me happy.

01:44:09.960 and uh more importantly than just being happy there's a lot of talk about being happy are you

01:44:15.680 happy people ask it's just like it's not about being happy it's about having a purpose and these

01:44:20.740 boys and my wife and my family and this community that i adore they give me purpose every single

01:44:26.300 fucking day i love it yeah you know what that brings it brings satisfaction right i find that 0.92

01:44:31.640 like happiness doesn't do it if it did then drugs would satisfy you or something like that but you 0.96

01:44:36.400 You don't hear that or money would satisfy you, but it is really like I'm grateful every day because it's clear that God has given me purpose, and that's awesome because I can't give that to myself.

01:44:47.760 You can try to create something that you think is your purpose in life, but that doesn't usually work out so well.

01:44:54.620 So I agree with what you're saying there.

01:44:56.220 Chris, as we bring it out to a close, then where can people find you?

01:44:59.620 Chris Carr 17 on X, and check out my sub stack.

01:45:03.000 i got a lot of uh i'm kind of using this i'm writing about things uh occasionally but i'm

01:45:07.240 also using this as an archive to sort of preserve some of my uh best reporting uh yeah right there

01:45:12.580 the millennial millennial mises caucus oh boy yeah yeah that was uh that's a whole nother

01:45:18.380 conversation oh yeah yeah so i covered that in reno when the mises caucus took over the libertarian

01:45:24.400 party um but yeah that's where you can find some of my best writing uh chris carr.substack.com

01:45:29.860 that's car k-a-r-r and oh and hillbilly sensibilities yeah there's a treasure trove

01:45:35.140 of great writing on there you guys just dive in enjoy let me know what you think very cool

01:45:39.100 excellent and yeah and go follow him on twitter as well he's up there chris car 17 uh that's two

01:45:44.180 r's yes sir all right chris thanks for coming on it's been a long time i think we tried to

01:45:50.780 talk to you a long a long time ago i'm glad that we finally got it done though because you know

01:45:54.760 we've kind of been orbiting each other uh for some time and uh it was a pleasure man really

01:45:59.140 really pleasure it was an honor guys i'd come back anytime this was so much fun thank you man

01:46:04.460 dude yeah if you're ever in florida let us know yeah hell yeah definitely uh guys don't forget

01:46:09.480 to obey submit and comply we'll see you later bye

01:46:13.180 they bred with daughters of men and they will do it again 0.98

01:46:21.540 The end is written in the book 0.99

01:46:26.180 In the pages they foreseen

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Nephilim Death Squad - September 29, 2026

Christ or the State？ Chris Karr on Anarcho-Christianity

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