Nephilim Death Squad - Christ or the State？ Chris Karr on Anarcho-Christianity

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00:02:56 to get 10 off of your tickets uh great guest today uh long time friend of the show friend since

00:03:02 before the show yeah actually uh a friend of yours in a dire time of need yes apparently

00:03:09 correctly um which i'd love to get into that story a little bit but before we even do that

00:03:13 um thank you for coming chris welcome to the show before we get started let's tell everybody where

00:03:18 they can find your work uh you can go to uh chris carr.substack.com that's uh k-a-r-r chris

00:03:25 carr.substack.com that's where i write about film interesting people and i just uh penned my uh

00:03:31 anarcho-christian manifesto to the top of the page and that is probably the most important

00:03:36 thing i've ever written at least in my estimation yeah so that's where you can check me out and i'm

00:03:40 also uh talking shit on twitter every once in a while uh chris carr 17 on it very interesting uh

00:03:45 the the how is it phrased christian anarcho uh one more time run that by me uh i say anarcho-christian 0.95

00:03:51 but you can say christian anarchist anarchist christian it really doesn't matter the point

00:03:55 is is that the political philosophy is anarchism and the belief structure is christianity

00:04:01 are you uh are you friends with uh what's his name jacob winograd yes i'm very friendly with

00:04:08 him yeah we we've interacted uh a couple of times yeah he's great okay yeah he's really good on this

00:04:12 issue he's one of the first people that i heard bring up the term inocular christianity we haven't

00:04:17 had haven't had him on uh but he's been my friend from like the libertarian days um sure sure a good

00:04:23 sport i've said some crazy shit to him no you did that yeah that's why i laughed i was like yeah

00:04:33 you kind of do that with everybody i i want to kind of hear this this story because i've heard 0.58

00:04:37 it from your perspective um but chris really helped out when it came to you losing an account

00:04:44 i don't want to bury the lead at all and i know we have other things to get into but can we kind

00:04:48 to talk about a little bit what what what caused you to lose your account top uh i was a slurs

00:04:54 no oh no nothing like that i was actually talking smack to uh i think she was like the vp of x at

00:05:01 the time i forget her name yeah yeah yeah i can't remember her name either but yeah yeah yeah and i

00:05:07 had made a joke about launching her to the moon because of spacex haha very funny and they took

00:05:12 that as an actionable threat i kind of forgot about this this is fucking hysterical

00:05:17 that's a very mild thing launching launching her to the moon i mean uh linda yaccarino that's her 0.94

00:05:23 name there you go yeah that's a fun last name so um but obviously not actionable you lack the

00:05:30 resources but if i could if you could sure sure yeah but i mean that's a lot of money and and so

00:05:36 what happens x deletes your entire account or or bans your entire account yeah from all the things

00:05:41 that i've said previously uh like they didn't really care but that one right there so i was

00:05:45 like oh i have the actual eye of sauron on me here yeah i've gotten the attention of the lady from x

00:05:51 and i think this was also after the interaction with elon musk that i had that that whole thing

00:05:56 so like the algorithm has primed me to like show up in these people's feeds i suppose i said a

00:06:02 thing got banned and you were writing for tim cast at the time or yeah yeah revolver or uh whatever

00:06:08 i was the editor at tim cast and i was also writing articles as well and uh once i saw that

00:06:13 happened i want to make sure that we covered it and got some more exposure to what was happening

00:06:16 to you because that was insanely fucked up yeah and that i mean it was a couple of weeks that my

00:06:22 account was gone and i don't know if the rest of this plays out like how we're doing it now if i 0.94

00:06:26 don't get that account back because it's like it's a big way of uh you know twitter is the way that

00:06:32 you communicate with everybody yeah and your social media follower count means a lot when

00:06:38 you're talking to people it adds veracity to your reputation and sure people pay attention if there's

00:06:43 like a 50,000 behind your name rather than a 5,000. Yeah, because it imagines there's a body

00:06:47 of work. So if you're just somebody who's reaching out, like let's say to even come on the show and

00:06:51 it there's, you know, instances where people with low follower accounts get on the show.

00:06:56 I don't have anything against that at all. It's just like if I'm going through the noise and

00:07:00 you're reaching out to me and a bunch of other people are reaching out to me, if I can click on

00:07:03 your profile real quick, see you've got like some sort of a reputable following thing, I go, okay,

00:07:08 maybe there's a body of work here. Let's go check that out. It's just the beginning domino in

00:07:13 the investigation process is this person somebody that i want to talk to that helps a lot unfortunately

00:07:18 that's the truth yeah that's not like uh what i want it to be but that's just what it is so yeah

00:07:22 it's the twitter account is gone but uh you guys helped get it back with that article you wrote

00:07:27 the article and then i think vivek ramaswamy oh that's right and started commenting on it and

00:07:32 there's another article written about him that like sort of compiled and it pressured the powers

00:07:37 that be at twitter to give me my account back yeah which was just the craziest thing in the world

00:07:43 rare instance i mean when did that ever happen well i mean stranger things have happened online

00:07:49 like sure sure but i mean for for them to actually get pressured in that way and then give you your

00:07:55 account back it's typically like it's why it's why i get so mad at the conspiracy community

00:07:59 like today when they go must be fed activity or like this person's paid off i'm like sometimes

00:08:05 there's a domino effect of things like you you push a domino i don't know let here's the domino

00:08:11 effect i suppose i went on tim cast had a really bad performance but i bought t-shirts for the

00:08:15 guys there and maybe they remembered me yeah okay yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah so then when something

00:08:22 comes up like that like like i i don't know i didn't do it on purpose like i'm gonna go ahead

00:08:26 and get banned later so that way they'll help me it's just like no i don't know we don't know

00:08:30 what's gonna happen we've i've spread seed and whatever happens whatever grows grows he went to

00:08:35 his thing and spread seed no i remember that broadcast very clearly tim was hung up on

00:08:44 steven crowder's contract in that broadcast and that's all he talked about it was all about the

00:08:49 contract with steven crowder and you didn't really have much of a chance to uh weigh in on news items

00:08:56 or anything else it's all about the contract and initially we did not get along you you after the

00:09:03 show you talk some shit about tim and i was defending tim and then you know and i didn't 0.57

00:09:07 realize who you were i didn't realize how rabid your fan base was and how vicious and hilarious 1.00

00:09:12 you guys are and i was just like who is who's top lobster you know i was talking so much shit 0.91

00:09:17 and then our mutual dear friend shane cashman intervened and he stepped in he was just like 0.92

00:09:22 listen i don't want my homies to beef i like top i love you i've been shane's editor you know the

00:09:27 whole time he was at tim cast and and i think i messaged you and i said i think we got off on the

00:09:32 wrong foot and uh we've been cool ever since so uh b i remember that that uh that that appearance

00:09:38 very well it's it's almost a shame that things went that way because um you know we give him

00:09:44 a hard time you more so than i do uh uh tim but uh you know he's got this giant thing that he's

00:09:50 building and it's just to say the people that are surrounding him like i i enjoy so many of

00:09:56 those people you know you mentioned shane cashman he's one of my favorite people yeah

00:09:59 you Bert West Josie the red-headed libertarian like all these people everybody around him I'm

00:10:04 like this guy probably is all right in some way shape or form but when you see him even Luke like

00:10:10 Luke was cool like yeah but I think Tim is just like redlining it constantly and he's got all

00:10:16 these insane external pressures and then when he gets out and he shows his public face there's so

00:10:22 many things to pick at because you're dealing with a guy that's redlining it constantly it's

00:10:26 just funny how that happens because a lot of my favorite people come from his orbit which is

00:10:31 strange yeah well i mean i will say this just to get it out there and get it on the record uh

00:10:36 my wife and i you know alex she was a shane's producer for a long time you guys did her show

00:10:41 you know so you know alex we've worked for him for five years and he's been unbelievably kind

00:10:45 to me and my family he's been good to my boys he's been good to her he's been incredible to me

00:10:49 uh he's kept me employed even when he didn't have a reason to employ me so tim's been on a personal

00:10:54 level tim's been very good to us so i can i can stand honestly in terms of being a good dude i

00:10:59 didn't realize your wife was uh that was shane's producer on uh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

00:11:06 small world that is what i oh i'm sorry go ahead chris i was just gonna say we've been together

00:11:11 for 18 years so that's uh yeah long long-standing relationship got two boys four and six and uh

00:11:17 she currently has her jaw broken which is really fun what did you do to her i've been warning her 0.97

00:11:23 for years i was just like listen one of these fucking days it's gonna happen and two weeks 0.94

00:11:27 ago it finally happened i busted her really hard and let me tell you chris the warnings mean nothing 0.97

00:11:32 if there's no action exactly i've learned okay that's what i've learned from raising boys yeah

00:11:37 you can't you can't lay down a threat if you're not going to follow through on it that's right 0.89

00:11:40 that's right she had uh she's got a mouth problem and it's been uh eating at her her whole life and

00:11:45 then a couple weeks ago she had it surgically broken and uh she's recovering right now so

00:11:49 oh okay yeah yeah a strategic one well that's good to hear i hope for her uh her speedy recovery 0.73

00:11:53 you know i i will say on the the topic of tim all the shit that we've talked about him i cannot

00:11:58 avoid the fact that everybody that we know that knows him says the exact same thing that you just

00:12:04 said which is in personal life he's a really good dude so i i think what you what you constantly

00:12:11 catch is people fighting the public persona of tim which is not to say those aren't his

00:12:17 convictions aren't his ideas. Well, in a way, isn't that what we did? You fought with top

00:12:21 lops a little bit. Then you messaged me and I was like, you got to Danny and then Danny and Chris

00:12:27 talked. So it's very much like that. But I want to get into your article. And I think a good place

00:12:33 to, maybe we could start at the beginning. How long have you been a Christian? How did you get

00:12:39 into Christianity? How did you hear about it? And what does that path look like? Because I have an

00:12:44 idea of the pathway you came through. Um, but I'm curious to hear your side of this.

00:12:50 Yeah. Um, I grew up in the very rural mountains of Eastern Kentucky, uh, Southeastern Kentucky.

00:12:55 Um, and down there you really just have Baptist churches. That's, that's pretty much, there's

00:12:59 some Methodists, there's some snake handlers. And I was actually briefly involved with a Messianic 1.00

00:13:03 Judaism, uh, cult, I would call it. Uh, but you know, yeah, we could totally get into that if you 1.00

00:13:09 want to, but I would love to. Yeah. Okay. Uh, but, um, these, I never had a good experience in

00:13:14 church. Uh, I, our preachers, they would get up and they would read one Bible verse and they would

00:13:20 scream and shout for an hour. And I left church every day with a fucking headache. Um, I mean, 0.99

00:13:26 I, there was a piece, there was a preacher that would regularly kick the altar and scream at us

00:13:30 about hell and sin, horrible experience. Um, and basically it's just like, I realize now that

00:13:37 churches always failed me, but Jesus never did. So my conviction and my, my faith in Christ never

00:13:42 was dislodged from these horrific experiences in church. And like, I was in high school and I was

00:13:46 just like, all right, I want to get back into church. I want to find a good church. And I was

00:13:49 like, I got my girlfriend. I was like, Hey, come, come to this Bible study, you know? And then the

00:13:52 youth pastor would try to steal my girlfriend from me. I mean, it was, it was, I mean, like,

00:13:57 I'm telling you at a certain point, I realized that I'm never going to go to a church again. 0.92

00:14:02 it's just not for me these people are insane they're psychos the the the protestant churches 0.99

00:14:08 there's so much goofy shit in them and uh so that was it was like that for a while and then about 0.99

00:14:14 two years ago not this past easter but the easter before my wife's a jew alex is a jew 0.99

00:14:18 okay so she you know she was bought mitzvahed and you know she went to hebrew school hated

00:14:23 every minute of it and then um the easter before last i'm i love movies i'm always trying to get

00:14:29 my boys go to the movies and enjoy cinema and enjoy that experience of being in the dark with

00:14:33 a, you know, with a crowd and watching something fun. And we went to see the Jesus movie, the

00:14:37 angel studios, King of Kings, I think it's called the animated film. Yeah, it was really,

00:14:42 it was really bad. Like it had a framing device where there was this dude. It was like, I think

00:14:46 it was, uh, Charles Dickens is narrating it. I don't know. I lost interest, but the boys lost

00:14:52 interest. They were a little young, but Alex was captivated. She was just like, can we just stay

00:14:56 the crucifixion i think she just wanted to see him die um but but listen but so within within 24

00:15:05 hours she was just like i think we need to get these kids educated in religion you know she's 0.83

00:15:11 a very crafty jew she wanted to outsource it you know she wanted to like send them off to learn 0.89

00:15:14 about the jesus and the god and the stuff and i was like no no we're gonna do this as a family 0.95

00:15:18 and we're gonna find a good church and we're gonna and this is gonna be what we do wait wait

00:15:23 Chris, are you saying that the film had an impact on her to that degree?

00:15:28 Because you're saying she's Jewish or is Jewish, was Jewish, but we're talking about – because the Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. 0.76

00:15:36 They're still waiting for the Moshiach. 0.85

00:15:38 So square that for me.

00:15:39 What exactly are you saying happened there?

00:15:41 Alex was raised by secular, liberal, Jewish family in Long Island, New York. 0.98

00:15:49 So, I mean, they're not like very devout Jews.

00:15:52 They don't go to the temple or anything, but that was her background, and I'm pretty sure that the only thing that she knew about Jesus before we went to this movie was that he was a traitor. 0.99

00:16:01 So this movie, I suppose it activated something in her that got her interested in faith, and we began the very – with great trepidation, we began the process of finding a church, and we ran into a bunch of really goofy Protestant shit. 0.99

00:16:17 We ran into preachers that got up there and talked about their lesbian daughters and how great they are and how they just got married and their lesbian daughter has a wife. 0.99

00:16:26 But I know, I know it's crazy. 0.90

00:16:28 It's crazy what's happened in the Protestant church. 0.82

00:16:30 As much as I've made a lot of peace with my Catholic brothers and sisters with the stuff that they believe and I don't. 0.98

00:16:36 But I will say this for the Catholics is that they do have a hierarchy that sort of safeguards against a lot of the goofy shit that's in the Protestant churches. 0.99

00:16:44 And there's so much goofy shit. 0.99

00:16:45 But in any case, we have been going to a church. 0.99

00:16:49 I got their mug right here.

00:16:50 New Life, New Life in Frederick, Maryland.

00:16:52 Amazing church, great pastor.

00:16:55 And it's been transformative in our lives ever since.

00:16:57 So we're back in church.

00:16:59 And yeah, it's a really good thing.

00:17:01 Isn't that interesting, though?

00:17:02 Like you're describing the lines in which different denominations of a church can be

00:17:09 either left or right.

00:17:11 And Protestantism seems like it has tendencies to embrace leftist politics, or at least leftist ideologies, which lean it that way. Orthodox and Catholic would lean a little bit more right. And nowadays, it's interesting watching the Orthodox movement. And I don't know if there's really a Catholic movement, possibly, but it leans toward this, what do they call that?

00:17:35 not a reformation but like a crusades idea this idea of a strong male and it does feel

00:17:42 it has a tinge of like right-wing extremism to is it for lack of better words yeah unironically

00:17:47 using like templar symbolism or like within their meme culture you know it's like yeah it's also

00:17:54 correct i'm watching them going yeah you're positioned correctly to absorb disaffected

00:17:59 libertarians uh right-wing people into this movement and that's correct but then the movement

00:18:05 i go well what else is in it and why has uh why have why have pentecostals or uh protestants

00:18:12 almost ignored that that uh that vacuum of power and they've kind of stood in this weird left-wing

00:18:20 spot it almost seems like uh catholicism because i would say there is a catholicism movement i've

00:18:26 seen it um not as much as orthodoxy but those two institutions have um been more plugged into the

00:18:33 cultural dialogue on the internet where it seems like protestants are less plugged in in that way

00:18:39 or at least as an institution they're less plugged in on an individual basis i'm sure everybody's

00:18:43 plugged into the internet well not to offend but it's yeah those those two institutions will name

00:18:47 the jew right and uh protestantism will fly an israeli flag in in the in the church itself

00:18:55 completely unaware of what's happening politically and and culturally and culturally and it's just

00:19:01 like i'm watching it happen i say whoa why are you why are you missing this yeah that's interesting

00:19:06 well i've actually had the chance to talk to andrew wilson a number of occasions sorry you know

00:19:11 i know i you know what i mean once again it's one of those things it's just like he has a certain

00:19:16 i mean of course he's annoying i get that especially the way that he presents himself

00:19:20 but i've had in my personal interactions with him he's been just like a guy that i can talk to

00:19:24 And he did say something that framed Protestantism in a way that I didn't understand, but I think about it often.

00:19:33 He was just like, well, Protestants are the original leftists because they're always protesting.

00:19:38 I mean, it's in the name. 0.74

00:19:39 So it's just like that might be a reason why Protestants are in some sense very annoying because we are constantly protesting the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church. 0.70

00:19:50 And it's just like, yeah, I mean, what's more annoying than somebody that's just constantly protesting for centuries on end? 0.71

00:19:56 So if you're if you're constantly kind of situated as a protester, then maybe that's one reason why you're not as dialed in as some of these more institutional denominations are.

00:20:05 It's interesting. Well, that's true. That's true. But then, I mean, more recently, I would say that the protesters are the Orthodox Church.

00:20:14 The protesters are in the Catholic church.

00:20:16 Because when I go to church, yeah, they might be praying for Israel,

00:20:20 but there's never one mention about what they're doing in orthodoxy

00:20:24 or what they're doing in Catholicism. 0.99

00:20:25 They really don't give a shit. 0.99

00:20:27 If you go and you talk to any ortho bro, it's always like, 1.00

00:20:30 oh, these damn proddies. 0.99

00:20:31 I was like, yo, they don't even, I'm just going to tell you from experience, 1.00

00:20:35 they don't think about you to the point where I've been in a Protestant church

00:20:38 my whole life in some form or fashion, never once heard about your denomination. 0.98

00:20:42 nobody really even gave a shit like they're busy doing like yeah because because the focus is it's 0.97

00:20:48 not on icons it's not on you know uh the the painted windows the focus is on jesus yeah and 0.98

00:20:57 that's and that needs to be the focus and i think that these other denominations they lose that

00:21:01 focus because they're going to be talking about all this other stuff you know they're going to

00:21:05 be complaining and the one thing i will say about the protestant faith and it's a non-denomination

00:21:10 church that I go to. And it, it, the focus is almost every time on Jesus. It's also on donuts

00:21:16 too. They like to get us all sugared up and then, you know, do a phrase in worship, but, uh, it's

00:21:20 always on Jesus and Jesus's words and Jesus's message. And I think that that's something that

00:21:25 is sort of a, uh, short-sighted measure with the product, with the, uh, Catholics and the orthos. 1.00

00:21:31 I was made aware recently that, um, maybe it was in the eighties or nineties that as far as like 0.99

00:21:36 the church of Satan is concerned, or which covens are concerned, there was a real effort

00:21:44 to infiltrate the Baptist church, because I think there was this concern, you know, on that side of

00:21:51 the fence of a real resurgence happening through particularly the Baptist church. And when you

00:21:57 think about the way that the adversary will sneak in and corrupt a thing, I think it's fascinating

00:22:04 that there are these if we want to talk about satanic cultural elements a lot of those belong

00:22:10 to the left side of the political spectrum or the cultural spectrum right with as far as the overt

00:22:14 ones go where it's drag queen story hour and everything that we've kind of been wrestling

00:22:17 with for the last decade or or more um so it's fascinating i think that you see those elements 0.99

00:22:25 coming into the protestant church and those elements do um deserve uh ridicule and and

00:22:31 highlighting you know there's this idea when it comes to this dialogue excuse me on twitter that

00:22:37 um you know it's just protestants versus uh orthodox or protestants versus catholics it's

00:22:44 like no i'll call out my church too if i come across a video where i think something is overtly 0.92

00:22:49 gay and retarded i'm going to call that out it doesn't matter what church it's in um but i do 0.91

00:22:54 find it fascinating that those corrosive left-leaning and arguably satanic elements like 0.99

00:22:59 embracing you know lgbtq culture or what have you are finding their way and there are instances 0.85

00:23:06 where you see it in the catholic church but it's much more rampant in the protestant church

00:23:09 and i wonder um because i agree with what you're saying chris it is hyper focused on jesus christ

00:23:15 that's the message every time i've stepped my foot through uh the church that i was attending

00:23:20 to up until recently um it was always that it's always that i think it's probably going to continue

00:23:25 being that it's jesus christ centric and so is that just a fault of the protestant church or is

00:23:33 it a fault of the protestant church that it is succumbing to these sort of satanic spiritual

00:23:39 elements you know in other words in an attack is it not worth attacking orthodoxy and i know that's

00:23:47 highly speculative right but is it not worth attacking orthodoxy is it not worth attacking

00:23:51 Catholicism if they're not super Christ-centric like the Protestant churches? Is it a surprise

00:23:57 at all that you would see these elements within it? You know, it's funny because, like, I've said

00:24:02 some very, very hateful, spiteful things to Catholics, including Jack Posobiec. I've got

00:24:08 into it with him before, and I've actually apologized because I felt like I was coming

00:24:12 from a spiritually bankrupt place when I said that. And I think there's so much demonic activity

00:24:18 in the world right now, as I believe we're approaching the end times, that if we can agree

00:24:23 on John 3.16, then that's fine. Like, you know, if we can really agree on that core tenet of John

00:24:32 3.16, then I don't really feel a need to argue with Josie. You know, I've had conversations

00:24:37 with her, and she's had really great points to make about Catholicism and its strengths. I don't

00:24:42 agree with all of them but i it as long as we can agree on that one key verse then i'm okay with 0.98

00:24:49 their goofy shit you know it's like i'm not going to do it that's not for me i'm not going to be an 0.95

00:24:53 orthodox guy i'm not going to be a catholic guy if i was raised catholic maybe i would be but i 0.98

00:24:58 wasn't you know and it's just it's not for me that is um the truth of the matter is it doesn't matter

00:25:04 if it's the protestant church with the lesbian pastor which i've seen those as well or if it's

00:25:10 a catholic church with um you know whatever the run-of-the-mill um sort of caricature issues that

00:25:17 a catholic church might have are people are being saved in both institutions right like there's no

00:25:23 limit to where god is working and so i mean i would say and there is a strong argument for

00:25:29 all of the institutions are dead and rotting in their own unique ways but that doesn't stop

00:25:36 God from calling people in those institutions and saving them, right? So it's the same thing.

00:25:42 I would agree with that 100%. It's, you know, we get into it with the Orthodox Church a little

00:25:46 bit because there are people that say, well, you're not Christian. You're not saved unless

00:25:50 you're Christian, and you're not Christian unless you're baptized, and you're not baptized unless 0.85

00:25:55 it happened in an Orthodox Church. And you paid for it. And you paid for it. Right. And even that, 0.98

00:25:59 like, all right, I'll put up some slack on the some of the places aren't having you. Like,

00:26:04 That's that's a funny thing to throw in their face. But still, at the end of the day, it seems to be universal across the board with Orthodox that you are not Christian unless you are baptized in specifically the one true church.

00:26:16 And that's pretty problematic. Right. Because saying what people aren't saying and then they'll they'll go back and forth and say, well, people are saved.

00:26:22 And what about the thief on the cross and all these things? And there's ways to kind of like word salad around that.

00:26:28 But I think the truth of the matter is, yeah, if we can agree on John 3.16 and acknowledge that in every institution, those are fallen institutions.

00:26:36 They're rotten in their own way, but people are still being saved in them.

00:26:39 God is still working in them.

00:26:40 I'm not going to put a limit on where God is operating because I think he's operating everywhere.

00:26:44 Absolutely. I agree.

00:26:45 But, oh, my God, you just reminded me.

00:26:47 the most infuriating debate that I've ever had the misfortune of listening to was Tim staged a 0.69

00:26:53 debate with Jay Dyer, some sort of Catholic guy that I can't remember his name and some Protestant

00:26:59 guy. And I, you know, Tim, I don't want to speak for him, but I mean, after having a child and

00:27:04 everything, he's, he's come around to the idea. He believes in God. Like, I mean, he knows that

00:27:08 there's a God, but he hasn't quite moved to Christianity yet. I think he had a very bad

00:27:11 experience growing up as a Catholic, which is pretty universal. A lot of Catholics have,

00:27:16 Or, you know, they don't – I think the Catholic Church has driven a lot more people from God than to God, but that's perhaps a different subject.

00:27:23 But Jay Dyer, he got on there with this Catholic guy.

00:27:25 First of all, the Catholic guy kept talking about something called Christianity.

00:27:30 Christianity, he kept saying.

00:27:31 It was driving me up a wall.

00:27:32 I'm just like, what, Christy?

00:27:33 Like is this some religion based on some lady named Christy?

00:27:35 What are you talking about?

00:27:36 And then the Protestant guy was just like, oh, no, I'm going to be Catholic soon. 0.99

00:27:39 I was just like, what the fuck are we doing here, guys? 0.98

00:27:41 But anyway, Jay Dyer got on there. 0.97

00:27:43 I know.

00:27:43 It was crazy.

00:27:44 It was crazy.

00:27:45 I wanted to just jump in the studio and move that guy and be like, I could be a Protestant in this conversation because you guys aren't offering anything. 0.99

00:27:50 And Jay Dyer was such a fucking Pharisee in that conversation. 0.99

00:27:55 He locked everybody out. 0.99

00:27:57 And honestly, I really do believe that Tim had some good faith questions.

00:28:01 He was asking simple, basic questions about faith, and these guys couldn't touch it.

00:28:06 And out of all three of these bozos, Jay was the worst because he wanted to talk about years and figures and dates and times.

00:28:14 And it was insane. Like, there must be a specific kind of autism that attracts these ortho bros.

00:28:21 Yeah. You know, they lock people out of actual faith and understanding of Scripture. It's crazy.

00:28:27 I find that it's a lot of people that are disaffected in a way socially that lean on the idea of intellectuals.

00:28:33 I think they're disaffected politically.

00:28:34 That too. But they lean on the idea of intellectual superiority.

00:28:38 The reason I say socially is because a lot of these guys do have some sort of autism that doesn't, they're not charismatic.

00:28:43 they're not charming they're not funny they're not interesting they're not fun it hasn't stopped

00:28:47 me right well you've got a different type you know and and so what happens is when when you

00:28:54 remove all of those elements that might be endearing to your character all that you have

00:28:58 left is what you can build upon and it's hard to build on like charming and funny but it is

00:29:03 easy to crunch information and then lean on intellectual superiority so i think that's

00:29:07 really and and there is a huge problem paul talks about it this idea of um the simplicity of the

00:29:13 gospel. And when you, your whole purpose is to make yourself seem intellectually superior and

00:29:20 the way that you're doing it is with scripture, you're going in the opposite direction of the

00:29:24 simplicity of the gospel. And now, you know, you talked about the Catholic church, maybe pushing

00:29:28 more people away than it had brought to Christ. There's something to be said about as an individual,

00:29:33 when you're making this thing seem so hyper complicated and that the bar for entry is so

00:29:39 high you're doing something very similar to you cannot interpret the bible without me as your

00:29:44 interpreter that's a huge right chris is this what you mean in your article when you're talking about

00:29:48 the trojan horse of christianity and the trojan horse of anarchism like what is what's actually

00:29:54 sneaking in is this are we getting at that idea here well christ said be as uh well first of all

00:30:00 let me just preface it with this you guys on the podcast with the flat earth guy i know he doesn't

00:30:04 want to be styled as a flat earth guy from kingdom in context oh yeah yeah great podcast i that was

00:30:10 a little bit over my head but fascinating sean's a fantastic guy yeah and i think raven you brought

00:30:16 up needing to have a scripture that is easy to understand you know you're talking about like

00:30:21 there's all these different versions and stuff this is what i stand for the message it is written

00:30:26 in plain modern day english this is the bible that i use all the time because there's no there's no

00:30:32 confusion it is written in modern English it's so good Eugene Peterson check this out you can get

00:30:37 on your phone and so when I reference any kind of verses I'm going to be referencing this really

00:30:42 quick uh some of these guys the guys uh that I had the conversation with they were like oh he's a 0.92

00:30:48 KJV guy I get apparently there's people who are KJV only I guess Matt is kind of like that I can't 0.96

00:30:53 even understand it when I read like yeah I'm doing the straight bottles with him and I try to pick up 0.52

00:30:58 the scripture so that way when he's flipping to it i'm stumbling all over i read an nasb at home

00:31:04 and uh it's good american standard it's a little probably a more a little bit more complicated than

00:31:09 what you're reading but i understand it it's it speaks my language i'm like this is the one that

00:31:14 i'm gonna do comprehension is the main thing at least for me you know and uh and actually the

00:31:19 the catholics and the ortho bros they hate the message this this new you know modern style

00:31:24 version of the scriptures. But there is zero chance for miscomprehension with this text.

00:31:30 It's really well done. And actually, the guy that did it, he did his due diligence. He understood

00:31:34 the Hebrew, he understood the Aramaic, he understood the Greek, and it's a very, very fair translation.

00:31:39 By the way, just as a quick aside, I think the reason that they hate it is because it then makes 0.65

00:31:43 their institutions unnecessary. Which one do you love? Do you love your institution or do you love

00:31:49 bringing people to jesus christ exactly if you can't answer that you know very quickly that

00:31:54 you might want to pause and maybe stop influencing people on the matter yeah exactly uh so jesus said

00:32:02 be as wise as snakes uh as cunning as snakes but innocent as doves and that's something i quote in

00:32:08 the introduction to my manifesto um i think that politically disaffected people are very angry and

00:32:14 they're enticed by the idea of anarchism, but they're not interested in Jesus. They're not

00:32:19 interested in Christianity. They've been burned. They've seen a lot of fake and gay Christians 1.00

00:32:24 that have pushed them away from belief in Christ. But if you can entice them through anarchy, 1.00

00:32:30 then that path, if you follow it appropriately, can lead to Jesus. Now, on the other hand,

00:32:36 there are a lot of Christians that are too busy with their faith and raising families and just 0.51

00:32:40 doing the day-to-day stuff that, you know, they have to do to survive. And they're not 0.98

00:32:44 concerned about how bad things are politically. And they just believe that voting is going to

00:32:52 help and your vote counts and all of this fucking nonsense. So it's two Trojan horses. Anarchy can 0.99

00:32:57 lead to Christianity. And I think the Christians that never thought about anarchy and have a very 0.99

00:33:01 poor understanding of what it means as a political philosophy can be led to anarchy through those 0.84

00:33:07 two different trojan horses essentially right right yeah it's like so matt i would say matt

00:33:14 is a guy that is politically inept in a way doesn't understand it but uh embraces the tenets

00:33:22 of anarchy with you know but with god as a center point and he did it accidentally so he's gotten to

00:33:28 that same sort of like you know having a food forest and being sovereign away from the government

00:33:32 in a way, you get there through the Bible as well. That's great. That sounds good. Yeah. I mean,

00:33:39 anarchism has dealt with a significant branding problem for a long time, you know, and it's

00:33:47 because, you know, just, just kind of walk you guys through this, if I may, did you have another

00:33:51 question or can I just, no, no, I, my, my next question was going to be if you could unpack even

00:33:55 the concept of anarchism, but it's like, you're about to do that. Yeah. Um, so, uh, we kind of

00:34:02 tend to think about politics on a spectrum, left and right, you know, Democrat, Republican,

00:34:06 conservative, liberal. But despite all the differences on that one spectrum, everybody

00:34:12 agrees that there has to be a leader, elected leader, chosen leader, appointed leader, whatever.

00:34:17 Anarchism is a negation from that. It's a totally different spectrum. You can look at it like an

00:34:20 inverted triangle. Okay. So at the top of that inverted triangle, you have, you know, left,

00:34:25 right, that dichotomy. And in a narrow portion of that triangle, you have anarchism, which is

00:34:30 is a negation of the idea that you need a leader now on that spectrum you have on one side you have

00:34:36 the ancaps anarcho-capitalists they believe that you know capitalism can solve all of our problems

00:34:41 which is insane and on the other side you have anarcho-communists as much as i learn about the

00:34:46 anarcho-communist perspective i still it doesn't click with me it's very strange to think that

00:34:51 there could be anarcho-communism but you could have communal living and i don't know it's it's

00:34:55 very strange so i don't quite understand that but at the very tip of this inverted triangle you have

00:35:00 anarcho-christianity which is basically it's just two tenets two basic tenets the first one is

00:35:05 understandable the second one makes people very angry and every time i go on tim's show and i 0.99

00:35:10 talk about this the christians get so mad they they talk so much shit they have they have every 0.97

00:35:15 excuse in the world to negate the second point but the first point no king but christ christ is king 0.99

00:35:22 simple you pledge your allegiance to christ you cannot pledge your allegiance elsewhere

00:35:27 not to your state, not to your country, not to the world, not to an elected or chosen leader.

00:35:33 You can't even pledge your loyalty to your family in some regards, and Christ talks about that.

00:35:37 If you love your life, you will lose it.

00:35:39 You know, I'm a sword to rend, mother from father, you know, all that stuff.

00:35:44 So the second point is something that I imagine you guys are really not going to like, 1.00

00:35:48 and it's something that makes Christians especially very angry. 0.98

00:35:54 Absolute non-resistance to evil by force.

00:35:57 absolute non-resistance to evil by force. And it goes back to what Christ said. If somebody hits

00:36:04 you, don't hit back. Stand there and take it. If somebody takes your shoes, put your best coat in

00:36:10 a nice box, gift wrap it, and give it to them. You don't go to court. You don't call the police.

00:36:15 You don't serve on a jury. You don't vote in a political election. You don't advocate for

00:36:20 political leaders. It really just comes down to a very simple matter. It's just like,

00:36:24 do you follow Christ or do you not? And of course, the problems there are significant, right? Because

00:36:29 if you don't fight back, then you're putting yourself in severe danger.

00:36:33 You're talking about the non-aggression principle, but from a Christian standpoint, 0.94

00:36:39 which is the problem. And this has been the problem with libertarianism that I've seen for 0.71

00:36:44 a long time. And I always bring it up to you. I'm like, well, libertarianism, all the tenets seem

00:36:48 correct, but the underpinning is wrong. Like the thing that they don't get is God, God holding them

00:36:53 down so the rest of their philosophy makes sense so when you're uh when your god is capitalism

00:36:58 that's going to fail when your god is self or whatever it may be that's going to fail if you

00:37:04 put god there like sorry the god then these things sort of work but yeah i i do personally have a

00:37:12 problem with the strict uh adherence to the non-aggression principle because i think that

00:37:18 there are times where we have to act in defense or aggression, maybe even preemptively. And COVID

00:37:26 was one of those times that kind of opened that door up. Not to mean like we were supposed to go

00:37:31 out there and be violent against the state, but like, I think we were supposed to preemptively

00:37:36 take action rather than being passive and letting these things come and happen to us. But I'm open

00:37:41 to being wrong. Yeah, no, I definitely want to hear about this. But I also want to say that my

00:37:45 my issue with the um not using physical force to resist evil thing is that i don't as somebody who

00:37:53 was um i was a mixed martial artist for the better part of a decade and i don't view violence in the

00:38:02 same way that a lot of other people view violence it's um to get punched in the face or to get laid

00:38:08 out on the ground uh it only becomes this this um let's say something that is equal with evil and

00:38:15 i'm not saying that that's the problem with it even i understand what you're saying the problem

00:38:18 is but it's when you go too far in fact i think that there are so many cases where if somebody

00:38:24 who is armed with the knowledge of of combat could um use that to just stop a situation and

00:38:32 subdue an individual then the worst thing that happens is the individual either takes a quick

00:38:37 nap you know which is really not the the end of the world or really just gets hit in the face and

00:38:43 stunned and i don't i don't think there's morality wrapped up in that so much in other words um

00:38:48 if if i can be in a training situation and completely suspend the emotional morality

00:38:54 aspect of it and just treat it as a competition i never feel as though i've been slighted or i've

00:38:59 slighted another individual who's my opponent it's more of just it's almost like the equivalent

00:39:04 of like dancing or something like that it's a sport um and so i think that there is maybe in

00:39:11 there a line where like how are you resisting what degree are you willing to go to to resist

00:39:16 that's an interesting question but as far as somebody let's say grabbing my child out in public

00:39:22 um i don't i i think it's a choice to bring uh emotion into it if i deck you when you hit the

00:39:28 ground and i go you're gonna stop now we good and they go yeah i'm good i go okay cool bye-bye i

00:39:34 don't have to call the police i don't have to do anything so i i think there's even a conversation

00:39:38 to be had there? Where is that? Where's that line when it comes to violence? Because I've detached

00:39:43 myself pretty significantly from the emotional and moral aspect of violence. And I think like if I

00:39:49 get into a combat situation with somebody, it's better for all parties if I win, because I'm not

00:39:54 going to stomp you, I'm not going to stab you, I'm not going to hurt you beyond you yielding and be

00:39:59 going, okay, cool, let's not do this again. No, I think that's a very cogent and well stated

00:40:05 argument and i don't really have a problem with what you just said i would i would uh broadly

00:40:09 agree with uh with your perception of this yeah yeah but you're talking about more are you talking

00:40:15 more on like a state level because there are different types of violence like a violence the

00:40:19 violence of hitting somebody in the street is not really comparable to dropping a bomb on an entire

00:40:24 civilization right yeah not at all yeah and and that's why the the state has a monopoly on violence

00:40:29 And they and they use that monopoly to try to indoctrinate its citizens into thinking that as long as they have the monopoly on violence, then you're going to be safe, which is a totally deranged perspective.

00:40:42 And more people believe that than they should. Yeah, I mean, it's not comparable at all.

00:40:46 I mean, if you just look at the hard numbers in the past 125 years, I mean, the mass amount of bloodshed has come from wars that nobody benefits from except for the states.

00:40:55 So, I mean, it's like it's four to one. Basically, it's like, yeah, 200 million versus 50 million, you know, over 125 years of private violence versus state sanctioned violence. So, yeah, I mean, there's there's there's really no comparison there. Yeah, the state is is the ultimately is ultimately the most violent entity that we have to contend with.

00:41:15 And that is the problem with even my argument, let's say, because if you're trying to defend yourself, like you said, in the street situation, that's one thing and things can be mitigated and never escalate beyond just a stiff punch in the face. But if, you know, let's say the police show up to your property, and it's unjust, there's no way to defend yourself without this escalating to ultimately death.

00:41:36 Well, this is what we were talking about with Ed Mabry on the last episode we just did, which is actually interesting to have this conversation.

00:41:43 We're talking about the idea of justice and revenge is for the Lord, right?

00:41:50 We're talking about forgiveness, justice, and revenge.

00:41:53 And we kind of distilled it down to this point where it was like, well, if someone is wrong to you, you can go to the state.

00:42:01 And the state is supposed to dole out the justice here on earth for something that's happened.

00:42:06 And I was like, yeah, but I don't even know, like, this is a inherently corrupt system.

00:42:10 Yeah.

00:42:11 Correct.

00:42:11 We talk about, and then the Bible also tells us, yeah, turn the other cheek, meaning like, 0.68

00:42:16 well, if you get smacked on one, give them the other, right?

00:42:19 If they tell you to carry this stuff for a mile, then you carry it for two.

00:42:22 And I'm kind of like, but we talked about the context that that's in where it's like,

00:42:26 you're allowing them to build up iniquity because if you don't retaliate, then vengeance

00:42:31 is for the Lord, right?

00:42:32 Because if God is truly your God, you don't have to take care of this.

00:42:36 God's going to take care of this.

00:42:38 And now that other person is totally screwed because God is going to make a just decision. 0.99

00:42:43 And, you know, I would I would almost rather in some cases you receive a punch in the face

00:42:48 from me and we call it even than me going, all right, God, like he's all yours, because

00:42:51 I don't know what that's going to look like.

00:42:53 I don't know what iniquity you've built up where God goes, OK, now I'm going to do this

00:42:57 thing to you.

00:42:57 I'm allowed to do this thing to you because, you know, my follower, my this this living

00:43:02 sacrifice of mine hasn't retaliated it's in fact passed the ball to me so i i can see that um but

00:43:08 yeah it is it's it's like a strategic spiritual warfare thing that's right and that's that's a

00:43:13 really key point that i that i've been thinking about a lot lately is uh you you said you don't

00:43:17 know how it's gonna you don't you we don't know how god's gonna distribute justice yeah and the

00:43:22 the the harder thing to contend with that we really need to understand as christians is that

00:43:27 we don't need to know it's not our place to know like when uh i think it's ananias uh god calls

00:43:34 him to go witness to saul who's been struck blind yeah and uh i mean imagine this is so great this

00:43:40 is why we know the bible is is the true word of god it's insane like god speaks to ananias this

00:43:46 is go to saul and he was just like are you sure you're talking about him i mean he's talking to

00:43:50 the almighty god he's just like are you sure i do you have the wrong guy like it is if god could

00:43:54 make an error in judgment. It's so funny. I mean, how human we are and how easy it is to like lose

00:44:00 sight of our, uh, of what we're supposed to do under God's command. But you know, Ananias went

00:44:06 to Saul. He's like, that guy's, he's throwing Christians in jail. Like I'm not going to go 0.73

00:44:10 talk to him. He's like, just go do it. Just go do it. That's, that's God's command. Just go do it.

00:44:14 Listen to what I say and do what I say. No question. Just do it. And we know more about

00:44:20 paul with the world over than we do about ananias but without ananias we wouldn't have paul you know

00:44:26 i mean like as many people praise paul on the planet earth there's more people that you know

00:44:31 praise ananias and in heaven because he was able to just do what god said just do it and ananias

00:44:38 didn't know what that outcome was going to be he had no idea and and you know the bigger the

00:44:42 broader point is he didn't need to know like god didn't need to tell him how important what he was

00:44:47 doing was he just did it so it's obedience over confusion and over questioning that's that's the

00:44:53 key thing well we talked about this on a previous episode that the main driver of that part of you

00:44:59 that wants to know that wants to see the vengeance enacted that wants to know that the scales have

00:45:03 been rectified that is pride yeah right yeah that's what it comes from it's like yeah sure 0.99

00:45:09 like to go like yeah god i'll leave this one in your hands but like let me know how that shit 0.94

00:45:12 goes like i want to watch it i kind of do want to know but where do you want of course i want to 0.96

00:45:17 know yeah yeah where you're at on then uh earthly punishment or law or things like uh i don't know

00:45:23 even like policing as far as like the christian worldview goes is it okay for uh christian i mean

00:45:30 we play i play in a in a band and i play in the church and one of the people is a cop yeah and i

00:45:36 often think about that kneeling on their neck no like i don't like you know i don't know i'm not

00:45:42 i'm not a libertarian anymore i will i never really was but i still got this thing with the

00:45:47 cops when i see him i go yeah you know you're a glorified revenue collector for the state that's

00:45:52 the thing that's right that's exactly what i feel yeah yeah yeah and i i know some really good cops

00:45:58 i got cops in my neighborhood retired cops uh current cops and uh generally they're they're

00:46:03 good they're good people you know but at the same time i do recognize that they are administers of

00:46:09 the state and they will come in and kick your teeth in for no reason other than to follow rules i got

00:46:14 i got a dear friend of mine is an iraq veteran uh afghanistan i think actually afghanistan veteran

00:46:19 uh he was deployed multiple times jumping out helicopters his back's destroyed uh the va doesn't

00:46:25 help him at all he regularly uh randomly smells the dead flesh of burned uh afghani just walking

00:46:32 around he and um the other day he had some sort of situation at school he's trying to get his 14

00:46:40 year old registered at the school that he just moved to and the school kept fumbling the paperwork

00:46:45 and he was walking out and he was like i'm just gonna go home and shoot myself you know i mean

00:46:48 this guy's got a lot of issues and uh some lady overheard him and she was just like did you say

00:46:52 you're gonna shoot the school he's like no i wasn't talking to you and she's like you just

00:46:56 said you're gonna shoot up the school he spent a week in prison in jail rather yeah yeah i mean

00:47:01 his life, which was already very difficult, has gotten exponentially worse. And, you know, I mean,

00:47:07 quite frankly, him and his family and his parents, I've been able to move them closer to anarchism

00:47:11 because of this, because it's just like, why would the police do this? They're asking. They were

00:47:15 just like, how could this happen to him? I'm just like, this is what they do. They will do anything

00:47:20 to quash citizens' rights, even if it's free speech spoken privately. You cannot trust the

00:47:27 police to do anything effectively. If we had a competent justice system in the courts or in

00:47:32 policing, then I would advocate for going to court or calling police if there's some sort of issue.

00:47:38 We don't have that. They have proven themselves incompetent over and over and over so consistently

00:47:42 that you cannot rely on them for fucking shit. I think that that's just the nature of the human 1.00

00:47:49 experience, though, right? I mean, as long as we've had guards of any sort, they've always been

00:47:54 corrupt because they're man it's like you look at any institution um religious or otherwise and

00:48:00 you can find the corruption because you can find the corruption in man's heart so you're always

00:48:04 going to have that and i mean when you said you couldn't trust them to do anything right

00:48:07 uh police officers themselves if they're being candid will often tell you you cannot trust them

00:48:12 period you cannot try at all for i mean you know whatever that case is and but there is also this

00:48:19 idea of who the hell am I supposed to call when you know I've been wronged in some great degree

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00:49:02 people and their issues your friend that's in the military uh or a cop there is like a there's an

00:49:09 underlying sense of patriotism that they have that caused them to either join the police force or the

00:49:14 military. And even after war, sometimes you can get their legs blown off and still retain that

00:49:20 patriotism. And patriotism is a weird word, because it's something that I think we should

00:49:27 have still, like, we should like our country, because we live here. Why? Because I live here,

00:49:35 because my kid, it's a very strange line to walk. And I still haven't really expressed it

00:49:42 correctly. It's just that I am a citizen here. This is the boat that I'm on and I can't afford

00:49:48 it to sink. And I know that there's a lot of problems with it, but I got my kids on this boat.

00:49:52 So like that idea of patriotism of, of being like, yeah, okay, this country is inherently flawed,

00:49:58 but I don't want it to completely fail versus, uh, I'm following Christ alone. You know what

00:50:08 i mean like these two things are in opposition to each other well what i mean okay so you don't

00:50:13 want it to fail neither do i what measures can you possibly take to ensure that it doesn't fail

00:50:19 i mean we're we're in the back seat of a car that's throttling toward hell i mean and we're

00:50:25 not our politicians are not held accountable for anything the epstein class there's nothing we can

00:50:31 really effectively do to make sure that our country doesn't fail so what measures could you possibly

00:50:37 take to ensure that it does. I think it's just the connotation with the the radical left that

00:50:42 we've seen for the last six years, I mean, the last decade or so, where it's like, I'm not going

00:50:46 to be I'm not going to go and burn an American flag. That is not conducive to changing anything.

00:50:51 Neither is voting. Sure. So we're kind of in a situation right where I'm like, so yeah, I see

00:50:56 we see through the bullshit of the left and the right. And we know that both of these cars are 0.97

00:51:00 going in the same direction. But there's still the tangible country, like the actual land that

00:51:07 we live on, not the powers that be that govern it. And is that patriotism? Or is that just like,

00:51:13 hey, yeah, I'm, I'm sorry, maybe I'm guilty, because yeah, I do love where I live. I love

00:51:18 this place. I'm grateful for everything that I'm I've been able to do in it and all the things

00:51:24 that it's given me, and the ability for me to build what I've built on this place. But it's

00:51:29 inherently evil so yes yes to both of those things but i don't know where to put it yeah it's tough

00:51:36 this is something i've been thinking about a lot uh lately it's i mean where i'm at is patriotism

00:51:40 is slavery um that that's not my uh that's not my quote it's from tolstoy who is kind of the uh the

00:51:46 the grandfather of anarcho-christian thought um and and he understood uh particularly because he

00:51:53 was he was writing at a time that was 19th century russia and he he saw what was coming and he saw

00:51:57 what he had gone through. And he realized that patriotism was slavery because I think that

00:52:04 essentially countries exist to create patriotism. And patriotism is more or less a devotion to the

00:52:11 government to the extent that you're willing to go to war for them. Without a country, you don't

00:52:17 have people that are willing to go to war and commit mass murder. But patriotism is, well,

00:52:23 it's kind of a Trojan horse, actually. If you have a devotion to your country, then why wouldn't

00:52:27 you serve your country and if you had people that did not want to serve their country then we

00:52:32 wouldn't have as many wars as we've seen in the past century and centuries preceding that so i i

00:52:38 think that i think that patriotism is essentially a gateway drug into uh total war that's an

00:52:46 interesting idea because you can see the how would you how would you express this sort of the

00:52:51 logistical reasons for well hey if we've got this thing we want to protect this how many people are

00:52:56 willing to stand up and defend us in the case of let's say historically um even in hunter-gatherer

00:53:03 situations there's always been tribal warfare right but the second you make that decision

00:53:07 and you go like yeah i would fight for this i would fight for this and then somebody is because

00:53:11 of the corruption of man's heart will look at that and go actually we kind of got a lot of 0.96

00:53:16 people willing to die for this situation what if we went over there and killed those dudes with

00:53:20 this so it's like demonetize that it's just it is a problem because logistically you can see

00:53:25 that right it's like imagine being in this tribal situation where you're experiencing um you know

00:53:32 just getting ran in on by some opposing tribe uh on a on a monthly basis like they did it again

00:53:39 they took more of our women like you can see that natural inclination to go we've got to gather

00:53:44 together how many people let's have this conversation how many people are willing to 0.88

00:53:49 get together and go and do something about this well that's the thing i i am willing to die

00:53:54 for this country but not this country the way people are told like i'm not willing to go

00:54:00 somewhere else to defend some strange ideals or a poppy field somewhere else but yeah if somebody's

00:54:06 going to come here and try to take what i have i have to defend it but that's what happens is they

00:54:12 they then go that line is super blurred yeah yeah well they crash into a couple of towers and they

00:54:17 go we have to go defend ourselves now right exactly like you knock yourself and then and

00:54:21 then honeydick us into going somewhere else we got honeydicked this is a big problem here

00:54:25 but this this is why i have like a the holdup with that non-aggression principle because like

00:54:31 the idea of aggression has been so skewed we've been you know since uh what's it called um

00:54:36 operation gladio project like where they're doing domestic uh domestic terrorism to ourselves

00:54:44 you know whether it's in italy or that's been moved over to here now it's very hard to determine

00:54:49 where the aggression is coming from and is it justified to even oppose this aggression or

00:54:57 take action against it because it's so it's just crazy so but i don't i honestly don't know where

00:55:03 to even start with it do you do you have any solutions like what have you what have you been

00:55:07 thinking about this uh as far as like conclusions well when when i get into these conversations with

00:55:14 Tim or anybody else on the show they they always want to move to oh what if your wife gets great

00:55:20 you know I mean like what they always want to move to the most extreme scenarios and

00:55:24 God forbid these things happen and I to be honest I don't know what I would do in an extreme scenario

00:55:30 like that when it comes to extreme physical violence or you know sexual assault or something

00:55:35 like that I would I mean I would tend to just pray for a hedge of protection around my family

00:55:43 like I do every day to ensure that these things don't happen. But even, you know, these hedges

00:55:47 can be broken by evil. That does happen. But the simpler way to apply these principles is to just

00:55:54 put them in your daily life on a day-to-day basis. You know, I mean, you don't have to think

00:55:59 about the extreme scenario, war, sexual assault for my wife, you know, something happens to my

00:56:03 kids, God forbid. You can actually just apply these principles on a daily basis to the simple

00:56:08 things and at the same time pray that the worst doesn't come to worse worse comes to worse i mean

00:56:16 i really don't know how i'd respond in those situations i have to be honest you know well

00:56:19 we've had discussions on this show and i forgot who exactly we're talking to uh might have been

00:56:25 dr masood unless this is something we heard in church but uh missionaries in africa dealing with

00:56:34 um you know the witchcraft is is alive and well the third world country has no uh qualms about

00:56:40 spirituality they're very aware that it exists and they're engaging with it on a regular basis 0.79

00:56:45 and so witchcraft and things of that nature are dialed up to the extreme out there and

00:56:49 um there's a christian missionary and uh an african gentleman who was preaching the gospel

00:56:56 to local uh tribes of witches effectively right and um long story short they end up

00:57:05 murdering his entire family uh killing his his mother i believe is his spouse everything else

00:57:11 that you can imagine even uh uh i believe he lost his arm and as soon as he recovered he went

00:57:18 straight back to them and continued preaching the gospel and then ended up converting a ton of them

00:57:23 um to christianity because they were so staggered by the fact that he would come back and still

00:57:29 preach the word of god after what they had done to him um staggering testimony unbelievable

00:57:35 strength and conviction in the lord and it's that is effectively what you're asking for which is

00:57:42 to say that is what scripture is asking for that is what what the bible was asking for um

00:57:48 And in my mind over and over again, I'm struck with, well, thank God we have a forgiving God because I don't know that I have that sort of strength.

00:57:57 But I know when I see that or I hear that story, I recognize like, oh, yeah, that is – that's the way.

00:58:05 It is, yeah.

00:58:06 But do you have that sort of conviction?

00:58:08 There's a similar anecdote in my manifesto.

00:58:10 there was a victim of the Rwandan genocide. And he lost his entire family to the butchers in the

00:58:20 Rwandan genocide. And this guy, I can't remember his name right now, but he goes to jail. And the

00:58:28 guy that lost his family went to jail to visit him. He's like, he visited his family's murderer.

00:58:34 and uh ultimately they became friends he was converted to christianity and now they uh for

00:58:41 a long time they did tours together talking about the the word of god because the forgiveness

00:58:46 overcame the uh penalty of prison for this guy um and that's i mean there's lots of stories like

00:58:54 that but that's one of the ones that's most heart-rending and impactful and this is something

00:58:58 that people can do when they're animated by the holy spirit and that's what it comes to like the

00:59:03 non-aggression principle. And when I go on Tim's show and I talk about this, Libby Emmons calls

00:59:09 me a Quaker and she calls me a pacifist. And it's just like, Quaker, pacifist, I mean, these terms

00:59:14 don't really mean anything because just like the non-aggression principle, they're not animated by

00:59:18 anything spiritual. These are ideas. These are ideologies. It's just like, if you're just a

00:59:24 Quaker or a pacifist or you believe in the non-aggression principle, good for you. But 0.98

00:59:28 what's actually like you said top underpinning that what's the underpinning and if you have the

00:59:34 if you have christ in your heart and if you have the holy spirit then you have an underpinning that

00:59:38 is stronger than any weapon that we could devise you know so it's a very different thing the idea

00:59:45 of the holy spirit working and they're they're being a supernatural change in somebody is possible

00:59:50 i just like when we're dealing with stuff at scale this is always the issue and i think this is the

00:59:56 issue with the modern church like we're scaling something up so big it no longer like the quality

01:00:01 control is uh that of mcdonald's now rather than your favorite local restaurant so right so like

01:00:08 yeah we have an allowable consideration for human meat and mcdonald's chicken nuggets now because

01:00:13 to a trillion nuggets tolerable percentage of human flesh yeah right like when i'm looking at

01:00:21 even modern day churches and we're talking about the holy spirit moving i'm like it does holy

01:00:26 spirit does move in there but like there's so much room for change interpretation it's like

01:00:32 how could we be sure well is that the issue right we're called to be in the world not of it if you

01:00:38 are up the world then you are of this system and then you deal with the implications of scaling up

01:00:43 well even look at the previous church that i went to um the pastor that kicked me out

01:00:48 got kicked out himself for cheating on his wife and then to install install is what they said

01:00:56 a new pastor they took a vote and they all went and they all voted do you want this guy i think

01:01:03 they had a couple of choices this guy this guy this guy and they go no we want this guy and he

01:01:08 won overwhelmingly so i'm like 85 90 percent wanted uh pastor james good good guy thinking

01:01:13 about it later i'm like how did they choose david god told samuel that guy where was the vote

01:01:22 there's no vote here there's no democracy that's straight up monarchy from a king

01:01:28 giving an order to his guy on earth to pick somebody so it's like do we have that today

01:01:34 no in our legal system do we have the ability to go ahead and parse through it's like well

01:01:40 actually the holy spirit is working through this guy we have to release him from jail even though

01:01:43 he's committed a heinous crime like what when do we put somebody in jail when do we know if

01:01:48 they're reformed when when do these because i agree with you in a sense like yes these things

01:01:53 happen and yes they should happen there should be room for it but it's like how how do we determine

01:01:58 well we can't and there's a precedent for this and i'd like to read this passage at length

01:02:03 um if i may it's uh it's it's kind of like the key foundation for uh us anarcho-christians it's

01:02:09 from samuel 8 uh set up all the elders of israel got together and confronted samuel they presented

01:02:15 their case. Look, you're an old man and your sons aren't following in your footsteps. Here's what we

01:02:19 want you to do. Appoint a king to rule over us, just like everybody else. When Samuel heard their

01:02:24 demand, give us a king to rule us, he was crushed. How awful. Samuel prayed to God. God answered

01:02:29 Samuel, go ahead and do what they're asking. They are not rejecting you. They've rejected me as

01:02:34 their king. From the day I brought them out of Egypt until this very day, they've been behaving

01:02:38 like this, leaving me for other gods. So Samuel delivered God's warning to the people. This is

01:02:44 the way the kind of king you're talking about operates. He'll take your sons and make soldiers

01:02:49 of them, chariotry, cavalry, infantry, regimented in battalions and squadrons. He'll put some to

01:02:54 forced labor on his farms, plowing and harvesting, and others to making either weapons of war or

01:02:59 chariots in which he can ride in luxury. He'll put your daughters to work as beauticians and

01:03:03 waitresses and cooks. He'll conscript your best fields, vineyards, and orchards and hand them over 0.95

01:03:07 to his special friends. He'll tax your harvest and vintage to support his extensive bureaucracy,

01:03:12 your prized workers and best animals he'll take for his own use he'll lay a tax on your flocks

01:03:17 and you'll end up no better than slaves the day will come when you will cry in desperation because

01:03:21 of this king you so much wanted for yourself but don't expect god to answer this is the situation

01:03:27 that humans have been in since that moment that's exactly where we're at now he's talking about the

01:03:33 epstein class yeah like nothing has changed and we can't expect anything to change from the system

01:03:38 that we call democracy it's ridiculous yeah i mean it's accurate the crazy thing is even in that

01:03:44 flawed system which god yeah he clearly lays out this is your fate is this sure what you want the

01:03:50 people still say yes but then god still picks like he doesn't even really allow it up to them

01:03:55 he's like you'll take this tall guy first and then you'll take this singer next

01:03:58 that's how disconnected we are though from yeah from what should be and so we're okay i guess the

01:04:08 fact is that we're there though we're in it we're in this multi-levered layer of bureaucracy where 0.81

01:04:13 we do have that system and people do crazy shit like what do you do what do we do with them now 0.95

01:04:19 well you don't vote because voting doesn't matter um the the only thing you can do hey hey chris 0.97

01:04:27 i'm getting five thousand dollars i don't know about you dude did you see that yeah yeah that's

01:04:32 If you if you if you get $5,000, I'll give you an extra hundred if it actually happens.

01:04:39 There ain't no way.

01:04:41 Ain't no way.

01:04:42 I wouldn't be surprised if the administration just paid their way, you know, to I'm surprised that that hasn't happened before.

01:04:50 At least the promise of it, you might as well.

01:04:52 It's a yeah.

01:04:53 I mean, I guess before it was like this would be too scandalous to say this.

01:04:57 The stimulus, what it was implied, vote for me.

01:04:59 That's exactly.

01:04:59 now it's like yo if you do this exact thing i will yeah whatever dude it's the black boat man

01:05:06 um that's exactly what's happening here that's exactly what's happening you're never gonna get

01:05:12 on simcast with that kind of attitude that's true oh i hear he's a good guy so i'll advocate for you

01:05:17 let's go that would be fun honestly if i went there i would demand that it was only fun

01:05:22 i would not there would be no serious conversations like that david yeah

01:05:26 so okay let me ask you this throughout the throughout scripture um you know i'm not super

01:05:33 well versed i know we were having this conversation recently about um people in the bible characters in

01:05:41 the bible adhering to some degree to these systems using these systems in order to

01:05:48 um number one not be persecuted oh yeah so you're talking about like in first timothy or or uh

01:05:55 romans when romans romans 13 romans 13 that's the first chapter that anarcho-christians get

01:06:00 thrown in their face to uh yeah i can't throw it in your face because i can't recite it what is it

01:06:05 jesus is saying give unto caesar what's what's owed to caesar like does this face have my does

01:06:10 this coin have my face on it no so give it to that guy but i'm talking about in first timothy where

01:06:14 jesus is giving the parable of the man that's going to be fired from his job soon and he goes

01:06:20 oh right right the the guy goes out and he starts he takes his master's coin and he starts uh

01:06:25 settling the debt settling debts at a at a deep discount with with his clients yeah fire sales

01:06:32 and jesus goes hey you were smart to do that because you're definitely gonna get fired you

01:06:35 suck at your job but later on you can call in this favor so in a sense this guy's operating 0.71

01:06:41 in a weird way within the world in order to survive. 0.99

01:06:46 And Jesus says, that's okay.

01:06:47 And I'm just like, where do we put this?

01:06:50 What do we, you know?

01:06:51 Yeah, that's a tricky one.

01:06:52 I mean, but like you were saying, Raven,

01:06:54 it's, you know, in the world, but not of the world.

01:06:55 I mean, we can't be foolish in the sense that

01:06:58 we're not going to just hover above the broken world, 0.71

01:07:02 the sinful world that we live in.

01:07:03 I mean, we do have to operate in it.

01:07:06 But I think one of the lessons of that particular parable

01:07:09 is shrewdness, you know?

01:07:10 I mean, you don't – it's about being shrewd, and it's also about not being lazy and not being unwise is my take on that.

01:07:20 But Romans 13 is a trickier issue because it talks about respecting the government. 0.91

01:07:26 And you're just like, okay, well, we are ruled by flesh-eating Epstein-class pedophiles.

01:07:33 But in fact, they were living with the same government. 0.93

01:07:37 Like what is Nero?

01:07:37 So they weren't encountering anything that we're not encountering now, and yet I think that part of the thing with Romans 13 is that you have to be able to survive in order to spread the message.

01:07:51 And if you're constantly – this is the problem with a lot of anarchists is that they just want to protest.

01:07:56 They want a bloody revolution.

01:07:58 They want the French Revolution all over again.

01:07:59 Obviously that's not the right path.

01:08:01 I mean the French Revolution did not work out very well for lots of people.

01:08:05 The French Revolution didn't. 0.56

01:08:06 You know, I mean, so it's like if you want to continue to spread the message and you need to be a peaceable citizen up to the point where you're facing a Nebuchadnezzar scenario, it's like, OK, bow down to this idol. 0.60

01:08:19 Well, I'm going to be a martyr then.

01:08:21 Right.

01:08:22 Yeah, like that.

01:08:23 But up until that point, you do need to be a peaceful citizen because you need to be able to go about your life, raise your family and spread the message of Christ.

01:08:31 And you can't do that if you're in prison.

01:08:33 well what about the idea too that it's it's um there's a difference between using these systems

01:08:40 uh when it makes sense and putting your faith in a system or an institution or a process

01:08:46 that's you know uh government adjacent because um i just think that let's say within the the

01:08:54 the idea of war or or the police um where are you placing your faith that this situation is

01:09:01 going to be remedied, whether that situation be your safety or the future prosperity of a nation

01:09:06 or any of those things, your faith should be placed in God. If you're walking around with

01:09:13 faith in the institutions of man, maybe that's more so the problem?

01:09:18 Oh, that is exactly the problem, especially with people that don't know Christ.

01:09:22 Because you have to place your faith in something. You have to. Everybody does. Otherwise,

01:09:27 you wouldn't get out of bed in the morning and a lot of people just place their faith in secular

01:09:31 institutions or ideas like science you know i mean but yeah that that is exactly the key problem that

01:09:38 a lot of people are contending with and don't even realize they're contending with it honestly

01:09:41 because you have to place your faith in christ in christ alone otherwise you're going to be lost

01:09:46 here here's an example maybe on a on a micro scale so can i just say before we move from the

01:09:53 romans passage when i read that people do throw that in people's faces uh christians faces and 0.99

01:09:59 they're like yeah you should obey the government how stupid are you but i'm like it's just for me 0.97

01:10:03 when i read it i'm like jesus is giving you very good advice it's honestly the same advice that i 0.98

01:10:08 give i gave uh my libertarian followers back in the day before i was like overtly spreading the

01:10:16 gospel or even like at that point i wasn't i didn't want anything to do with the church or

01:10:20 got it but i would tell them like hey you're saying don't pay your taxes and here's the way 0.94

01:10:25 i was like hey do that because you're gonna get your head cut off and you're more useful to me 0.95

01:10:31 uh not in jail or dead right you know you're more useful to this idea having children and 0.97

01:10:39 spreading this idea and making it grow or you can be you know like the bitcoin i think they're the

01:10:44 bitcoin six in new hampshire these guys tossed in jail and their lives are hell for like the and

01:10:51 they're making a moot point like we we all understand that but we have to play this game

01:10:55 give them a thing they have the guns right now be aware of where we are positioned here yeah

01:11:01 stay alive i think that's a good point like if you're thrown in prison um you know you you can

01:11:07 still spread the gospel right if you're dead you can't so it's like whatever whatever um i wonder

01:11:13 is is like get under the radar and keep spreading the gospel and keep propagating and keep making

01:11:18 believers of men and disciples of men and the second you you know get your neck kneeled on

01:11:25 for too long like it's over you can't do that anymore so maybe there is something to be said

01:11:29 about that too where it's like stay in the game like i wonder i wonder how jesus felt about his

01:11:34 cousin being killed at the time he was killed for uh i think he was criticizing uh uh one of

01:11:41 one of the emperor's wives i forgot exactly the offense that like really put his head on the

01:11:45 chair they wanted to kill him anyway because they didn't like him you're talking about john the

01:11:48 baptist yeah yeah i just wonder if jesus was probably like hey man you could have just shut 0.91

01:11:54 up for a little bit longer he was gonna get his head cut off eventually but it's like

01:11:59 a week another week of preaching or baptizing people what does that do for the kingdom i don't

01:12:03 know i don't know but yeah that could be a cautionary tale and by the way so what i was

01:12:10 talking about was this idea on the micro of, um, you have faith that God will heal you. Right.

01:12:15 But, and, and obviously your first route should be prayer and commuting with the Lord about this

01:12:20 thing that ails you. But then after that, is it not reasonable? If, especially if it's something

01:12:25 it's like, I need antibiotics. Like I have faith that God is going to heal me, but I'm going to do

01:12:30 the things that I need to do because if God's like, yeah, I was going to heal you. Um, but you

01:12:35 never got off your ass to go get the antibiotics prescription you know what i mean like so so it's 0.99

01:12:41 like the idea of using a system but your faith is still in the lord and in fact first foremost you 0.99

01:12:47 came to god and laid your problem at his feet fundamentally first that was and that speaks to

01:12:53 the faith of the situation and then after that to go like all right it's in god's hands now

01:12:57 in the meantime i'm gonna do what i can i'm gonna get some sunlight i'm gonna get some vitamin c i'll

01:13:01 go pick up these antibiotics. And, you know, let's do this thing. I think that you can probably

01:13:06 navigate these systems. But first and foremost, your faith is in the Lord. Right, right. But I

01:13:11 mean, there's no scriptural prohibition against being proactive, you know, right, right, you know, 0.99

01:13:18 I mean, of course, your faith comes first, but you also have to just, you know, not be a dumbass. 0.99

01:13:24 Like, it's not that hard to not be a dumbass. It's actually pretty simple. And I think that's 0.99

01:13:28 Sorry. Yeah. Well, yes, I think that's where the non-aggression principle tripped me up.

01:13:34 But it's also just a misunderstanding of it. And and how like the application of certain libertarians when they're talking about the non-aggression principle, it's almost like this non-preparation thing.

01:13:43 Yeah. And I'm like, no, no, like you can shore up. You can shore up against events happening.

01:13:48 That's not aggression. That's actually smart. Yeah. To think about these things like what will happen if I do X, Y, Z.

01:13:54 and that that bothered me a lot about it and it gives it a bad name it gives it like it kind of

01:14:00 just makes it feel like people are willing to accept whatever but i'm like no no you can change

01:14:04 circumstances you don't have to be violent around it you can be smart we can prepare and store up

01:14:09 treasures for the future if yeah i may um but uh there was a i wanted to ask you a question about

01:14:17 a certain part in the article here that was interesting i didn't know that you broke your

01:14:21 like when did this happen you broke your oh uh yeah yeah um your femur it was a good one yeah

01:14:28 the day before christmas eve alex said hey let's take the kids ice skating that'll be fun

01:14:32 and uh i was like if you asked me how dangerous ice skating was before to this i'd be like zero

01:14:37 percent like you know and uh yeah i we we skated for about an hour always had a lot of fun i had

01:14:45 fun no problems and i was exiting the rink and i like decelerating like i was i wasn't going i

01:14:52 wasn't trying anything fancy no tricks just exiting the rink and my legs went out completely

01:14:56 from under me i landed exactly on my hip at the perfect section of my hip to just split the femur

01:15:01 this way broke like like a long way dude yeah yeah oh dude yeah yeah it was a good one i'd never

01:15:11 Never, never, never broken a bone, never had a surgery, but, uh, you know, thanks to God's

01:15:15 providence, I was put in a surgery that night and I got the, I got the hardware in right

01:15:19 now.

01:15:20 I'm good as new. 1.00

01:15:21 How bad did that shit hurt? 1.00

01:15:23 It's unimaginably painful. 1.00

01:15:24 Actually, it's so painful that, uh, my wife, she has a dear friend who's a doula and she

01:15:30 coached her through our second child's birth and the doula came to the emergency room and

01:15:34 coached me through the pain.

01:15:36 Wow.

01:15:37 Yeah, dude, that's like a blinding white hot pain.

01:15:40 Oh, I hope it never happens to you. Never break your femur. If you have the opportunity to break

01:15:44 your femur, just decline. Don't do it. I was thinking about it. I actually had it coming up

01:15:48 and I think I'll push that off now. No, actually, I mean, and the coaching was actually really

01:15:55 simple. It's the same coaching that she gives women in extreme pain and labor. It's just like

01:15:58 breathe. Cause when you're in that much pain, you don't breathe. You just like the pain just

01:16:03 overtakes your entire body. And it was just like breathe and just like taking deep breaths. And

01:16:08 I want to just say this for the audience as well, anyone who's listening. I bought this thing. It's

01:16:17 like a $10 thing. It's a diaphragm exerciser. And you're talking about the idea of breathing. And I

01:16:23 noticed I'm like, I'm not breathing correctly. A lot of times I'm like just doing so I have a

01:16:27 broken nose from a while back. So I only breathe through one nostril most of the time. And most of

01:16:33 time i'm just worried about doing shit and not about the control of my breath so like my diaphragm 0.98

01:16:39 sucks it's it's not strengthened the way it should be so i picked this thing up and i've been using 0.93

01:16:44 it for a week or so and it just like as far as mental clarity goes it changes everything it like 0.86

01:16:51 it's it goes in your mouth it's like a uh mouthpiece but then at the front of it you can

01:16:56 actually close it or open it depending depending on how much air intake you want to allow and

01:17:01 You'll breathe in through your mouth or breathe out for long extended periods of time and

01:17:05 it expands and contracts your diaphragm, strengthens it. 0.84

01:17:07 And I'm like, damn, this actually has helped me in real life. 0.97

01:17:13 It's crazy. 1.00

01:17:13 It's very stupid. 1.00

01:17:15 No shit. 1.00

01:17:16 That's cool. 0.99

01:17:17 Yeah, just breathing, you know, practicing breathing.

01:17:19 Maybe people should think about one of the most important things we do every day.

01:17:24 Totally.

01:17:24 Yeah.

01:17:25 Yeah.

01:17:26 Chris, I wanted to go back to something.

01:17:27 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:17:28 Go on.

01:17:28 No, no, please, please.

01:17:29 so you had mentioned earlier uh at the top of the show this idea of the but we got to get back to

01:17:34 his broken leg though because there's some important stuff there but go ahead all right

01:17:36 fine we'll remember that let's couch that for a second messianic jew cult oh okay oh yeah that 0.86

01:17:41 was a good one tell me about it yeah uh so of course we were always shifting churches in the 0.87

01:17:47 mountains of kentucky because they were basically glorified uh social clubs you know i mean there's

01:17:52 really no jesus there there's no scripture i mean it's just people getting together and talking

01:17:56 shit about each other and uh from going to a baptist church methodist church to a pentecostal 0.88

01:18:01 church we just did the cycle until we finally landed at a messianic jewish uh church it was 0.99

01:18:07 the rabbi was a uh italian american that was a a car expert he always had grease on his hands

01:18:15 because he worked on cars during the day and uh they basically they the whole thought of messianic

01:18:21 judaism is that well uh yeshua did did these you know rituals he did he wore the the tiny hat and

01:18:30 he did all this stuff so we're gonna do what yeshua does you know but there wasn't a jew in 0.98

01:18:34 the place it was all like you know uh goys that were members of this church uh but yeah they

01:18:41 followed the rabbinical laws and customs and everything but it's kind of my understanding

01:18:46 that they like they're just christians who are trying to preach the gospel to jews specifically

01:18:54 um there there's a strain of that but this particular church was more self-contained it

01:18:59 wasn't uh evangelical in the sense that it was trying to spread the message it was just it was

01:19:03 literally more like we're going to do the jewish stuff because jesus did the jewish stuff but if

01:19:10 they believe in jesus then i mean because that's the entire thing the jews don't believe that

01:19:17 jesus was the messiah and they're still waiting for their moshiak so you know whereas christians

01:19:23 believe it's the second coming um they're waiting for the first and then there's even this additional

01:19:28 layer that when they will get a moshiak and that will be the antichrist and they'll effectively

01:19:34 celebrate him you know yada yada um those days are coming that's happening soon i think right 0.94

01:19:40 Well, I mean, yeah, they're trying to engineer red heifers to get it done. 0.93

01:19:45 But, I mean, if you believe in – this has always been my issue with the Messianic Jew thing is, like, if you believe in Christ, then you're not a Jew. 0.92

01:19:53 You're a Christian. 0.78

01:19:55 And the whole thing is just very confusing. 0.65

01:19:58 It feels like layers of convolutedness that are unnecessary.

01:20:03 It is, yeah.

01:20:04 And, I mean, I agree with that broadly.

01:20:06 I mean, like, it was just, literally, it was just like, it was basically Christians that follow Jewish customs, and their reasoning is, Jesus did these customs, so we're going to do what he did, essentially.

01:20:17 Yeah, but, I mean, I learned Hebrew there, you know, I mean, like, they were very strict about the Hebrew Jewish tradition and customs, but they still believed in Yeshua as their Messiah. 0.55

01:20:29 That's fascinating, because we've been grafted onto the vine, there's no need for Jewish custom. 0.83

01:20:33 um they talked about the grafting quite a bit actually um despite the fact that they still 0.90

01:20:38 followed those customs so i don't know i like i wasn't i wasn't there very long maybe a couple

01:20:42 years okay you know me and my family really they've realized they're just like this is kind of

01:20:46 crazy like we can't have i remember we showed up with a pepperoni pizza one time and they like

01:20:51 threw it in the trash you know they're just like oh no no no you can't have you can't have pepperoni

01:20:55 yeah yeah yeah so they're very uh literal minded in that sense but it's but scripture literally

01:21:01 says uh any food that's received with thanksgiving right permitted right and so yeah but i guess it's

01:21:07 very selective in there oh yeah believe me i'm i'm not gonna make it i'm not i'm not gonna mount

01:21:12 a defense for what these people practice at this church that i went to when i was a teenager but

01:21:17 right right yeah that's uh they had their own view of things yeah very interesting very very yeah

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01:21:52 for 30 days at whoop.com so um i mean i guess as we're kind of approaching i want to know so you

01:21:59 You break your leg, boy.

01:22:01 How do you live with trauma?

01:22:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:03 Do you want to see it?

01:22:04 I mean.

01:22:05 No way.

01:22:06 No, no.

01:22:07 I got pumped.

01:22:08 I was like, let's go.

01:22:09 What happens here?

01:22:11 What happens with you and your faith?

01:22:13 Because there's an interesting thing that we've been told.

01:22:15 I've been talking about with Matt about old Paul specifically having this thorn in his side.

01:22:21 And I have this idea that, you know, he's like, basically, God has chosen to let this pain in my side remain.

01:22:28 and and he thanks god for that and i just have this idea that uh a lot of times these physical

01:22:36 ailments that we have pain struggles i mean it's not my idea but they are meant there to they're

01:22:42 there to glorify god in some form or fashion and they all lead if approach correctly if you're not

01:22:49 just sitting there in your own sorrows and you're actually now reflecting on yourself

01:22:52 there's some time of like it's a big time of self-improvement a lot of spiritual change can

01:22:57 happen when you have these injuries, ailments, sicknesses, whatever it is. What did you experience?

01:23:03 Well, I wish I could say that I dealt with it with a overwhelming Christian forbearance,

01:23:08 but that's not the case. I mean, initially I like I never experienced anything like this. So I was

01:23:14 I was very worried. And my my oldest kid was because we were at the ice rink and my kid was

01:23:18 like so upset. Like he saw me clearly in a lot of pain and he thought I was going to die. He didn't

01:23:23 think I was going to be home for Christmas. He was traumatized by this, seeing me wheeled out

01:23:28 on a gurney and everything. I was very worried when I got into that ambulance. There was this

01:23:35 kid, probably 22, 23, that was in the back of the ambulance with me. After he got all my information

01:23:39 and everything, I mentioned something about Jesus or God. I was out of my mind. He was just like,

01:23:46 oh, so you're a spiritual guy. I was just like, well, I mean, we're going to a really nice church

01:23:50 now. And I'm a believer. And it turned out that that kid in the back of the ambulance with me

01:23:55 has been a member of my church since he was a little kid. So that was my first sign. I was just

01:24:00 like, okay, all right, stop worrying. Don't be afraid. Just God's got this. Just deal with the

01:24:06 pain. He's already sent somebody from your church to help take care of you in the back of that

01:24:10 ambulance. And then a pastor came into my room. I mean, a surgeon showed up and crammed me into

01:24:18 a surgery, like every single thing just like lined up. I mean, like my, my wife's doula came

01:24:22 and took care of, like, I had all these angels that showed up along the way and, uh, and helped

01:24:28 me get through it. And, uh, the recovery was tough. I mean, I, I got drunk a lot after I got

01:24:32 off the oxys, you know, I, I, my wife was just like, you're getting lazy. You're not doing

01:24:36 anything. And I was like, yeah, I know, I know I'm, I'm being very late. I just, I had to learn

01:24:40 how to walk again. So, um, it was tough. And, uh, and there was definite periods of drunkenness

01:24:46 and laziness and sorrow. But, uh, looking back on it now, I realized that, uh, God had me the

01:24:52 whole time. And even when I lost confidence in, um, in his oversight of my situation. So.

01:24:59 Those are the best times to be, um, looking back on it, like if you don't have that kind of

01:25:04 experience, life is, uh, life is a bit dull and you can go through these motions. So it's like,

01:25:11 I know it's crazy to say, but man, I do thank God for those times where it's like, are you

01:25:17 even real?

01:25:18 Oh, yeah.

01:25:18 Like, what is going on?

01:25:19 You know, after the flood, Noah's drunk too.

01:25:23 He's Noah's in a very similar situation.

01:25:25 No wonder.

01:25:26 Yeah.

01:25:27 Yeah, no wonder.

01:25:28 You're isolated.

01:25:29 You're in pain.

01:25:30 Everybody's dead.

01:25:31 Well, I'll share one more anecdote with you that I've been sharing with everybody that

01:25:35 will listen to me.

01:25:36 So I was fresh off of a sermon a couple weeks ago.

01:25:40 the pastor talked he's talking about elijah and elijah hearing the sound of rain before the rain

01:25:45 came and the you know they were in a drought and then he told the king to you know he's like i hear

01:25:49 the rain you got to go and he sent his his servant out there to look for the rain and at a certain

01:25:54 point the servant comes and he says oh i see a cloud the size of a man's hand he was like all

01:25:59 right the rain's coming and our pastor kind of dialed it down to ears of faith knees of prayer

01:26:07 feet of hope use your faith pray and then have confidence to walk forward and our one of our

01:26:15 neighbors she has an elderly mother and who's not doing very well and she mistakenly opened the

01:26:21 window to their house and let the cat out by accident there was a screen there the cat got

01:26:26 loose so uh that monday morning the neighbor was just like we're looking for our cat we've been

01:26:31 looking all night can't find her and with zero confidence i said i'll find the cat don't worry 0.98

01:26:36 about it so i was just like shit i'm never gonna find this fucking cat why did i say that so i go 0.99

01:26:43 i go outside and i was just like what am i gonna do how am i gonna find this fucking cat like i 0.99

01:26:47 mean you find a dog but how are you gonna find a fucking cat yeah so i the first thing i do i'm 0.99

01:26:52 walking around the neighborhood and i the first thing i said was the lord's prayer and i was like 0.99

01:26:56 all right now what and i said god you know when every sparrow falls you know the numbers of hairs

01:27:02 in her head i don't know where this cat is but you do where's this cat and god said to me i know

01:27:09 that sounds crazy maybe it's not god said to me check that bush and i looked around the corner

01:27:14 and i saw a bush and i was just like there is no way that cat's in that bush and he said look and

01:27:19 see and i crawled under this massive bush there was the cat so i grabbed i pulled out the cat i

01:27:26 gave her to the neighbor i was like i got her she's like i can't believe you found her i was

01:27:29 like, I didn't. I literally did not find this cat. God told me where this cat was. And I've been

01:27:34 able to use this story to evangelize to all of my neighbors where I live. Because I had this

01:27:40 reputation for finding cats. And I was like, you're the hero. You found that cat. And I was

01:27:43 like, I did not find this cat. God spoke to me. I prayed. God told me where that cat was. That's

01:27:48 how I found it. So I've had this opportunity to sort of use a testimony to everybody that I know

01:27:54 in this neighborhood. People don't even want to know about God. They don't want to know about

01:27:56 jesus i want to know any of this stuff but nevertheless there's this opportunity that i

01:28:00 have to talk about how this cat got found because god showed me where she was that's funny because

01:28:05 people think they don't want to hear about jesus but like they do want to hear about how you found

01:28:08 a cat because that's hard as hell yeah i don't think you're seeing that because i know i could

01:28:14 tell from uh like the standpoint of a regular person once you say like yeah god told me they

01:28:20 probably go up this guy's out of his mind like what yeah what have you been hearing i told well

01:28:25 yeah i i actually shared this story with my pastor and he was just like he asked me the same question

01:28:28 he's like what do your neighbors think about that when you tell them that god told you that cat was

01:28:33 yeah um some people well you know what ultimately the results speak for themselves

01:28:38 right it's a very straightforward thing cats are super hard to find once they get out

01:28:43 and this is the way that it happened and i can't i they keep trying to give me credit and i i can't

01:28:49 i literally cannot take credit for it like zero chance i would have found that cat if i hadn't

01:28:54 just had the presence of mind to pray about it and i don't even know why i did that about it's 0.98

01:28:58 just a stupid fucking cat but nevertheless i was just like well this is really important to my 0.99

01:29:04 neighbors they like they don't want to lose their cat it's a beloved animal they you know yeah and 0.99

01:29:07 uh and it all worked out so i'm i'm happy about that i want to ask you something as we kind of

01:29:13 bring this in uh for a close and it might shake out some interesting stories but i've heard

01:29:18 Obviously, talking to our mutual friend, Shane Cashman, and his experience on Tim Cass, where he's reading scripture and he's in the presence of Gary, the numbers guy.

01:29:28 And I watched it.

01:29:31 I watched I didn't watch the whole broadcast, but I saw some of the key clips where he's just firing off scripture.

01:29:36 Yeah.

01:29:37 So for you, that must have been a really cool because, you know, what it's like there and, you know, what a almost a monumental task that would be right.

01:29:47 Like, what a deviation from what the normal flow of a show is.

01:29:50 Got Shane fired.

01:29:51 Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you're going to go there, but, you know, Shane was saying that the spiritual heaviness in that place when he walked in, didn't know who Gary was.

01:30:03 Gary shoots it off, you know, color comment about there's no Christians here, right?

01:30:09 And all this stuff that leads up to it that convicts Shane to just respond in scripture.

01:30:13 You being there, Chris, you've probably seen so many different types of people come and go. What's it like being a Christian in that environment? I'm sure there's times where it, you know, everything's on God's side. And there's times where you're in the presence of people that are not about that at all. What's that like?

01:30:34 yeah i mean uh well tim is situated in west virginia which is a state that i despise

01:30:41 and a state that has i think uh in some measure a pretty heavy demonic presence

01:30:47 yeah um and there's been some peculiar activity uh in that area uh not just in the studio but on

01:30:55 the property uh so i'm aware of that but i do spend a lot of time there you're not talking

01:31:00 Are you talking about supernatural activity?

01:31:02 Well, it's Appalachia, right?

01:31:03 Yeah, Tim has talked about this publicly, about some very strange things that have happened in the studio.

01:31:09 It's a weird place.

01:31:10 Well, driving from the airport to there, sorry to interrupt again, but I did notice large swaths of either empty land or what looked like desolate living conditions.

01:31:21 So when you did the show, he was in Maryland.

01:31:24 He has a totally different studio now that's even, I think it's like a half hour from that studio.

01:31:29 So he's moved into an even more rural area where it's more desolate, more broken up, way too rural for my liking.

01:31:38 But you're still right there, right?

01:31:39 Appalachian Mountains is – I mean that's the whole – that whole area is spooky as hell.

01:31:44 It is.

01:31:44 I mean, well, I mean in order to get to the studio, you have to drive past the area where they made the Blair Witch Project.

01:31:50 Whoa.

01:31:50 You know, Burkittsville.

01:31:51 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:52 Wow.

01:31:52 Yeah, Burkittsville is about 25 minutes from here.

01:31:55 That's interesting.

01:31:55 So, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff in this particular area of the country.

01:32:00 But, you know, I mean, everybody that I work with, I get along with.

01:32:05 It's a mix.

01:32:06 I think it's basically a lot of agnostics that I spend time with.

01:32:09 But, you know, every time I'm around them and every time that Tim invites me on the show, I use the opportunity to evangelize. 0.99

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01:32:46 To the chagrin of the chatters and the people that I'm on the panel with.

01:32:50 And it's interesting because even when I'm on with somebody like Libby Emmons, you know, she gets very, you know, combative about Christianity and I have my own perspective and everything.

01:32:59 But, you know, it's I just I use the opportunity to just do the work and be kind to people.

01:33:07 I take care of people. I'm polite to people.

01:33:09 You know, I mean, I don't want to annoy them with my anarcho-Christian shit. 0.98

01:33:15 But whenever there's an opportunity to speak about it, I use that opportunity, you know. 1.00

01:33:19 So that's a great place to be. You know, I've heard things about it's humble. It's humble for sure. It's hard to do. I've heard things about Tim where it's like he doesn't care what you believe. He doesn't care who you associate with, you know, meaning the people that are there working for him, working with him.

01:33:37 I do hear a lot of things in regards to he's very cool about that. And so what he has created is this very fascinating, you know, arena that has tremendous reach.

01:33:51 And then you get to pass in and out of that arena. And when the opportunity presents itself, spread the gospel. That's a really, really unique place to be, especially when it's not just open to Christians. It's open to everybody, including maybe a fat dysgenic numerologist.

01:34:09 so it's a great thing to do and i i'd hope that the listeners and the you know the the members of

01:34:16 nds like the audience like pray pray for chris because what you're doing when you get that

01:34:21 opportunity it's it's not easy like to number one to know what to say in the hour or at least to let

01:34:27 that spirit flow through you without being intimidated by the situation and the cameras

01:34:30 and it's it is it is a little bit overwhelming like just you know i did it one time and i i

01:34:37 wasn't at that level or of uh the level of understanding like the live stuff and like the

01:34:42 producing and it's it can get a little crazy a lot yeah knowing a hundred thousand people or more

01:34:47 will see that it's it's it's hard to do so i i hope i i hate it i hate it every time i mean like

01:34:54 i'm a writer i like to think very carefully about what i say and what i think and then put it down

01:34:59 into words and sentences and paragraphs yeah i'm not a broadcaster but nevertheless i keep getting

01:35:05 invited onto the show and it never gets easier especially because like now that i'm on my 0.87

01:35:10 anarcho-christian shit like you know tim is all i always end up arguing with them and the last 0.90

01:35:15 thing i want to do is have a debate with tim pool about christianity or anarchism yeah all these 0.97

01:35:21 people watching i hate it but you know what i gotta stand on it that's what i believe and i just

01:35:26 i just have a totally heterodox perspective on all of these news items that come up you know i mean

01:35:32 And they kind of, you know, they're all just kind of like MAGA, right wing, conservative, you know, they just have like very kind of mainline opinions.

01:35:41 And I'm just like the bombshell, you know, and it's just like, well, I'm not going to lie, you know, but at the same time, I don't really want to have a debate.

01:35:49 I don't like debates. I don't like broadcasts.

01:35:52 You know what's great about that though, Chris?

01:35:54 Like, so on this show, we're talking to an audience that gets it.

01:35:58 And in some ways, you might ask, is that redundant?

01:36:01 Right.

01:36:01 I mean, you're meant to make disciples of men and spread the gospel.

01:36:05 And, you know, I'm grateful that God uses this show.

01:36:09 We get emails all the time.

01:36:10 People say, hey, this thing that you do helped me get closer to God.

01:36:14 And I go, that's fantastic.

01:36:15 That's really cool.

01:36:17 You're talking to people, Chris, when you're on that show that are in need of it and don't hear it.

01:36:23 And so that's actually even more unique.

01:36:26 Like I said, we're almost preaching to the choir here in very many ways.

01:36:31 but you're showing up as as a stranger in a foreign land um and i share that sort of issue

01:36:38 as well where i'll talk about you know these these issues whether they're political or cultural

01:36:42 and i talk about it through a comedic lens um kind of taking the piss out of it because i don't

01:36:47 believe that any of it is is really that important um and the world has always been the way that the

01:36:52 world is now it's just maybe we're we're being um we're having it revealed to us again but

01:36:56 we don't have a tremendous audience overlap i would say between us and tim cast probably zero

01:37:02 but if you're out there and you're zero you should be if you're listening if you listen 0.98

01:37:06 to us and tim cast number one whoa number two and you that's fucking crazy what is wrong with you 0.92

01:37:13 you might actually be schizophrenic but if you see those episodes dude and chris is on it and 0.95

01:37:18 chris is talking about the gospel you know make yourself known in the comments let let the people

01:37:23 who are running that show see that and go oh wait a second like this is resonating with people it's

01:37:28 a cool full circle kind of idea though from what you uh began talking about in the beginning of

01:37:32 this episode um with your wife when you went to see that movie from angel angel studios yeah i

01:37:38 saw my kids too and i thought whatever like kids movie i actually didn't what i didn't like the

01:37:43 most about it was the perspective of it being told from john in a way like as a child like like they

01:37:49 were following him do it i just found it whatever but your wife for some reason was like what it

01:37:54 took yeah that's what it took this movie that didn't really move me at all that's what it took

01:38:00 for your wife so it's like i don't know i don't know the tool that's going to be used for whatever

01:38:05 needs to be done to unlock somebody's mind but you're that tool for someone i'm glad i'm glad

01:38:10 you're in the spot that you're in yeah i'm glad you're at tim cast dog that's a crazy thing i

01:38:15 didn't think i'm glad you're there man that's awesome uh nice i wanted to ask one more question

01:38:22 and then and then we'll ask our final question which we haven't asked oh yeah we haven't asked

01:38:26 this in a while for uh a regular christian like a regular like like for the normal christian

01:38:33 person what would it look like for them to start to uh embrace tenets of anarcho-christianity

01:38:40 how would that change what would be the first thing that how would you implement that

01:38:45 Like tomorrow, what, yeah, and how would that extrapolate down their life?

01:38:49 What do you, I don't even know if that's a question.

01:38:51 No, I think that is.

01:38:52 No, no, no, it is.

01:38:55 The first thing you do is you remove your faith from any institutions, including democracy.

01:39:02 Democracy is a demented, deranged idea.

01:39:05 Like we were talking about, you know, Samuel 8, and it's just like, well, God appointed a king. 1.00

01:39:09 well, that's much better, infinitely much better than the people, as retarded and stupid as they 1.00

01:39:17 are, picking their own leader. That makes no sense in any regard. So you have to dislodge 1.00

01:39:25 your faith in the system of democracy. You also have to dislodge your faith in the court systems

01:39:31 and the police. So, I mean, it's really just like doing less. You don't participate in the voting

01:39:39 system. You don't vote in local, state, or national elections. You don't maintain a faith

01:39:45 that any leader you elect, whether it's your city council member or your president, is going to

01:39:50 improve your life one iota. And then you're going to, oh, just two things. Avoid court at any,

01:39:58 court is the devil's playground. You might think, oh, you have to remove yourself from this idea

01:40:04 that you're going to receive any palpable sense of justice from the court system what about jury

01:40:10 duty oh jury duty i would love to be called for a jury i never have so you go to jury duty and

01:40:17 you show up and you say um uh yes judge i don't acknowledge your authority and i don't acknowledge

01:40:22 your ability to administer justice dude that's so funny i got right home i got called for jury

01:40:27 duty maybe it was last year and for the first time in my life and the guy the defendant had

01:40:33 like face tattoos and they said something to the effect of is there any reason why anybody in the

01:40:38 jury wouldn't be able to judge your peer non-biasedly or whatever i raised my hand and they were like

01:40:44 uh you sir and i said yeah he's got face tattoos just looks like a bad guy and they go you have

01:40:51 tattoos and i said yeah if you thought i was a bad guy i'd get it you know and they were like

01:40:56 so you can't judge this guy without and i said no no i mean 0.98

01:41:00 fantastic we're turning around and looking at me like i was a piece of shit but i went home 0.98

01:41:07 and they didn't oh yeah oh yeah that's exactly right man that's yeah he just looked like a bad 0.97

01:41:14 dude i was like he did it 100 there's no way he didn't that's great oh my god yeah yeah that's

01:41:20 what i would say um just uh stop doing things stop voting don't don't put your faith in the

01:41:26 political system. Don't put your faith in the justice system. The justice system here, it's a

01:41:31 devil's playground. And we saw that. We see that in prominent court cases now. I mean, it's just

01:41:35 like once you're in a courtroom, it can go either which way. And Satan is the top litigator in

01:41:42 existence. He has been since from the beginning. And you know that. I mean, you see the bargaining

01:41:49 that he went through with God over Job. I mean, was it Jude where they talk about how Satan was

01:41:55 still trying to relitigate the bones of moses yeah yeah yeah and and to the anarcho-christian

01:42:03 point mark the uh archangel uh michael right michael michael was just like i'm not dealing

01:42:10 with you satan he was like the first entity to say not today satan he was just like nope i'm not

01:42:14 dealing with you god deal with you like that that is how you have to proceed with things it's just 0.99

01:42:19 like i'm not dealing with the satanic shit i'm not going to deal with it i'm not going to deal 0.99

01:42:22 with litigation. I'm not going to deal with all of the, you know, fine laws and stuff. I'm not 0.99

01:42:27 going to have anything to do with it. God can deal with you. That's what you have to do. Resist the

01:42:31 devil and he will flee. That's the whole anarcho-Christian precept. Resist the devil and 0.84

01:42:36 he will flee. It begins with resistance and it can begin with resistance for regular people,

01:42:40 regular Christians, opting out of this demented system of democracy and opting out of ever going 0.90

01:42:45 to court for any reason. Somebody sues you for something, just give them more and see what 1.00

01:42:48 happens that's interesting i like it i like it i mean yeah you're you're drawing from when these

01:42:53 guys when these guys out there are praying for the republican party we gotta we gotta stop that

01:42:56 it gets weird you can do it but not with enough force where it's like super you know immoral or

01:43:03 anything like that you just slap them around just yeah slap them around don't get emotional about

01:43:09 it um yeah yeah yeah chris this is a question that we're supposed we're supposed to ask at

01:43:13 the end of every show haven't asked it in a long time but i am interested to hear your answer to

01:43:17 One more question before that. Have you spoken with Tom Woods? I feel like Tom Woods would be an interesting discussion.

01:43:23 I've met Tom, and I've seen him speak a couple of occasions, but I don't speak with him regularly.

01:43:29 But I know who he is, and he's really good.

01:43:32 Yeah, I just wonder.

01:43:32 If every libertarian was like Tom Woods, we'd be in a much better place.

01:43:37 Agreed.

01:43:38 Yeah.

01:43:38 Agreed.

01:43:39 But David, ask him a question.

01:43:41 So in all of your, I mean, everything that you're doing, the only, one of the only Christians on Timcast, you know, whenever the panel's up, the articles that you're writing, the life that you're trying to live.

01:43:52 The leg that you're healing.

01:43:54 Leg better, dude.

01:43:55 All better.

01:43:56 Good, good, good.

01:43:57 Are you having fun?

01:44:00 Yeah.

01:44:00 I mean, I got two boys.

01:44:02 They're four and six.

01:44:02 I mean, they're a blast.

01:44:03 We're building Legos.

01:44:05 We're going to playgrounds.

01:44:06 I mean, we're doing tons of stuff.

01:44:08 They keep me young.

01:44:09 They keep me happy.

01:44:09 and uh more importantly than just being happy there's a lot of talk about being happy are you

01:44:15 happy people ask it's just like it's not about being happy it's about having a purpose and these

01:44:20 boys and my wife and my family and this community that i adore they give me purpose every single

01:44:26 fucking day i love it yeah you know what that brings it brings satisfaction right i find that 0.92

01:44:31 like happiness doesn't do it if it did then drugs would satisfy you or something like that but you 0.96

01:44:36 You don't hear that or money would satisfy you, but it is really like I'm grateful every day because it's clear that God has given me purpose, and that's awesome because I can't give that to myself.

01:44:47 You can try to create something that you think is your purpose in life, but that doesn't usually work out so well.

01:44:54 So I agree with what you're saying there.

01:44:56 Chris, as we bring it out to a close, then where can people find you?

01:44:59 Chris Carr 17 on X, and check out my sub stack.

01:45:03 i got a lot of uh i'm kind of using this i'm writing about things uh occasionally but i'm

01:45:07 also using this as an archive to sort of preserve some of my uh best reporting uh yeah right there

01:45:12 the millennial millennial mises caucus oh boy yeah yeah that was uh that's a whole nother

01:45:18 conversation oh yeah yeah so i covered that in reno when the mises caucus took over the libertarian

01:45:24 party um but yeah that's where you can find some of my best writing uh chris carr.substack.com

01:45:29 that's car k-a-r-r and oh and hillbilly sensibilities yeah there's a treasure trove

01:45:35 of great writing on there you guys just dive in enjoy let me know what you think very cool

01:45:39 excellent and yeah and go follow him on twitter as well he's up there chris car 17 uh that's two

01:45:44 r's yes sir all right chris thanks for coming on it's been a long time i think we tried to

01:45:50 talk to you a long a long time ago i'm glad that we finally got it done though because you know

01:45:54 we've kind of been orbiting each other uh for some time and uh it was a pleasure man really

01:45:59 really pleasure it was an honor guys i'd come back anytime this was so much fun thank you man

01:46:04 dude yeah if you're ever in florida let us know yeah hell yeah definitely uh guys don't forget

01:46:09 to obey submit and comply we'll see you later bye

01:46:13 they bred with daughters of men and they will do it again 0.98

01:46:21 The end is written in the book 0.99

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Nephilim Death Squad - September 29, 2026

Christ or the State？ Chris Karr on Anarcho-Christianity

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