Necronetics Part 2 w⧸ Nathaniel Gillis
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In this episode of Phenomenon Death Squad, we are joined by the Father of Disinformation, Nathaniel Gillis. Nathaniel is a researcher, author, lecturer, and founder of Parasymposia, a field that focuses on the field of necronetics, which is a field centered around the self-replication of an occult species that he believes is here.
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uh we are welcoming back to the show nathaniel gillis nathaniel thank you for joining us before
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we get into it let's talk a little bit about where people can find your work and what it is that you
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focus on so i have compiled and i'm going to compile all of my interviews and my own lectures
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on a website called parasymposia.com and uh people have been asking me for years to compile them and
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place them in one location so that they can actually binge watch it binge watch it so that's where i'm at
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now my research is a field that i'm creating called necronetics that is centered around the
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self-replication of an occult species that i believe is here and so my hypothesis is that
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possession to us is pregnancy to them that's why people confuse demons and bodies and demons and
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spirits and we'll get into that and that answers the question how can they replicate and so that's
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primarily where i'm at and that's primarily what i'm researching and it's phenomenal to be back with
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you gentlemen thank you for the invitation i i kind of want to start with something that we were
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talking about right before we started the show and this was we were getting onto this idea of
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we say abductee or experience or testimony and uh within the body of research especially pointing
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towards disclosure abductee or experience or testimony is incredibly important because i think that
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it's one thing to speculate from the outside but it's another thing entirely to have actually
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experienced this thing um but you brought up a very important point and you were kind of discussing
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this idea that an entity or this phenomenon might um put you in a hypnotic state which is often the
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case right in in in testimony this is something a theme that pops up often but then from that point
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would present to you either an experience or present to you a dialogue that informs you of its nature
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or anything like that which is incredibly lofty and hard to trust it's a bit of information that is
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important but it's important to also highlight that in its nature being in this hypnotic state you're
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open you're susceptible to believing any number of things suggestibility suggestibility including a
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deception if that's what's levied against you can you talk a little bit about that absolutely that is
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the pathology of the phenomenon i'm reminded of a case study that dr carla turner had where an
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individual was having a cookout at her home her neighbors are over they're cooking burgers they got the
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swimming pool out it's a phenomenal time across the street above one of the homes manifested
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a uap a ufo and her testimony to dr turner was for 45 minutes i and my friends and neighbors are
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passing around the binoculars and staring at this object above the home and she's like for 45 minutes
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we're observing this object she goes i remember that i even got my telescope out and now we're looking
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through my telescope at this object and we could not believe our eyes and it was as real as real could
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possibly be and dr turner was confounded then what's the issue she said i do not own binoculars
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wait what yes she said i woke up the next day and i realized i don't even own binoculars number one and
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number two the telescope that we have been using to look at this object was still in the box it was
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shipped in a month ago so you combine you compile that you combine that with dr barry fitzgerald and
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steve mara's research regarding the ce5 experience we have a significant issue with the way we perceive
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the phenomenon so getting back to their research they were looking at various case studies where
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this intelligence has the ability to manipulate our perception of it so they had this individual say
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okay she was a practitioner of the ce5 protocols they had placed a it's called a uh headset it's a headset
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that monitors her brain with brainwave activity they took her out there in the middle of this field
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and they said okay go through your protocols we want you to make a connection of consciousness with
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this intelligence and sure enough she successfully conjures the phenomenon or dare i say because this is
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my theory the phenomenon successfully conjures her and out of nowhere she's seeing these light
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manifestations of overhead oh my goodness that's the best thing i've ever seen as she's focusing her
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attention on the light phenomena they're focusing their attention on her brainwave activity and within
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a period of 20 seconds the phenomenon had induced her into theta brain by that brainwave activity that's
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that's your trance level that's your dream state and what we're realizing is that by that time
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a lot of our perception of this intelligence is being manipulated to where the phenomenon is not just
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manifesting to us it's manifesting through us and we have the ability on or disability i guess we simply
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do not understand what's going on and so that is pathology most often witnessed in demonology
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to where people again i've had cases like that for less decade now where people are induced to do a
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dreamlike state i thought it was my husband till i realized after the event my husband's been next to
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me the entire time in bed asleep how it's commandeering our consciousness and not just that but there is an
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aspect of this intelligence that is seeking to be seen this is some very very dark stuff here because
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it's like heavy intellectually it's like oh my god what do i do with this um but dr gary nolan's
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researcher lately he's had a case study in france where a young boy is in the back seat of his car he's
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looking up at the sky through a sunroof he sees a massive constructed craft his mother decides to
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photograph it she photographs a small craft she captured on camera was completely antithetical to
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what her son described as witnessing so not only is the phenomenon hijacking our perception of it
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but it's possible i'm gonna say this and hope hope everybody understands what i'm saying it's
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possible that we have mythologized the wrong image to where if the sun is witnessing something
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in what he's witnessing is not really there it's actually a construct of the phenomenon then we have
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to go back and say what do we truly know in terms of perception is there a better way to understand what
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we're experiencing uh because where i'm at now is the phenomenon has the ability to diversify itself
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so okay well one question how old was the sun i think he's about eight years old so you know i guess
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by that age is my kids are familiar with the concept of ufos i just wonder if it's the chicken or the egg in
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this case is the kid mythologizing this or is our technology deceiving us like you know that we have
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a famously uh interesting feud with the podcast called blurry creatures but there's something true
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about that whenever you uh capture some some paranormal phenomenon on on a camera you know
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looking at four of them right here it comes out uh not quite the way you'd want to or there is some
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interference because it's like you know these are the entities that gave us the technology so there's
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a form of manipulation where they can't be captured on it now if this kid might already have manipulation
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complete manipulation i mean here's the problem we're having with this intelligence it has the
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ability to diversify itself now we first caught that behavioral pattern in parapsychology one of the
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parapsychologists that came forward with that data was lloyd orbach and he said we have a problem he said
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why what's going on he's like because we're investigating i'm a level haunting we keep
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witnessing we keep seeing a uh an apparition of a white lady
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and he's like we we just see it all the time and we thought to ourselves why don't we set up a camera
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right to where we could hopefully capture this entity on on film and what happened was like right next to
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each other they are actively seeing an apparition with their eyes but they're only capturing an orb
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on camera and wherever that apparition went the orb was present and so the height the theory now is that
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this intelligence has the ability to project physiological constructs into our mind and into
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reality not just one both and we're trying to understand if that's an egregore a tulpa
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or are we co-creating and i can get into the observer effect as well but the issue and this is what i mean
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when i say that it's possible we're mythologizing this thing or mythologizing the mask is because for
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about 30 to 50 years we had ghost hunters writing ghost stories about the lady in white not realizing that
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soon we're going to have the technology that's actually going to sniff out that behavioral
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pattern to where that's not an apparition right it's actually an orb and so then we get into orb
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or ology and i hate all these ologies by the way uh but orb theory and that's some of the the latest
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research my colleague steve and i have been doing is understanding their capabilities because we're
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witnessing that particular manifestation all throughout the field all okay i want to go back
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to something you mentioned uh a moment ago at the top of the show we're talking about um you know
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it reminds me a great deal of uh steven greer's you know ce5 app now now the ce5 app is fascinating
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because it utilizes what is effectively binaural beats and these are beats that you know some way
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or another sync the hemispheres of the brain and allow the mind to i guess the way that i've come to
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understand it adhere to it's almost like the brain is an antenna and it is tuning to a different frequency
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and through this process it allows the brain to tune into a specific frequency that these entities can
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utilize to present themselves why i just want to say before we go any further that uh this frequency
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manipulation is seen and this is something nathaniel that i think is actually a much larger part of this
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phenomenon than people are giving credit to uh you see the utilization of this you know method
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in the mk ultra programs you see it in the monroe institute and in the gates programs right and these
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are all sort of cousin programs that have to do with uh different states that the human mind can be
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put into and of course the mk ultra program is famously doing this by way of trauma or drug-induced
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states etc but we have an individual who's listened to this show who told us once upon a time that
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they were messing around with beats and frequencies and hertz and realized that if they tuned their
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beats or whatever it was to a specific uh frequency that it would result in uh sleep paralysis alien
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abduction phenomenon the presence of orbs and even ultimately poltergeist activity in their home uh so
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it's not lost on us at all that frequency seems to be at least in the technological aspect
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a huge component to this phenomenon what i find interesting though is
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is people have to engage with this if they do it on their own accord through drug usage altered states
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um meditation which is i think a way to tune the the the antenna of the brain to a different frequency
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uh binaural beats is a great way to do it technologically speaking but what i'm saying is
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there's a number of modes that they have to try to use to achieve communication with these things but
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then on the other hand these people at a barbecue are not in an altered state they're not utilizing
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frequency-based technology they're not so is this just a matter in your research of if we hope to
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communicate we have to do x y and z if they hope to communicate they can do whatever the hell they
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want david just to clarify the binaural beat thing are two beats that are similar but the third that is
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created is created in your mind because of how you're perceiving both of these beats so it does
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go to what you're talking about with this uh this phenomenon where it's like how much of this are we
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responsible for contributing to create right there's that that middle ground of imagination so to
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co-create now we're getting into the observer effect where the phenomenon will seek to be seen
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and then once you observe it for a certain amount of time you make that conscious connection
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and what is actually there right has constructed another object another entity is what i'm basically
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describing here and we as experiencers again co-creating that we'll go around mythologizing
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the mask and not the actual intelligence projecting it does that make sense yeah so we have that we have
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ghost hunters i mean ghost hunting bibles if you will not really but uh just textbooks and conferences
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and the real issue is well okay maybe that's not really a ghost at all that's a physiological
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construct created by this intelligence if that's the case we've mythologized the wrong thing
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and the true aspect or the truer manifestation what steve mayor and i call the pre-archetype
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is actually a lot of times these orbs now the question is what can these orbs
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do what can they not do uh years ago i i would he'd still be friends but he passed away years ago
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his name was dr michael lynch and he was a parapsychologist and he was discussing just his
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orb encounters with me and uh this gets into a pair of physicality model are they physical are they not
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right and there's like two camps in the field well this is really interesting uh he's like you know
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nathaniel he goes i got bored one night and he's like my day off because i was just scrolling through
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ebay and i discovered a a laser thermometer and he's like i knew i wanted to use that in my field
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work he's like but i just i didn't know when or how he's like but i bought it anyway and he's like it
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finally came in i was pretty excited he goes one night he goes i'm in an investigation he goes we were
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in the home for 20 minutes before all of these orbs manifested and he's like we captured a lot of
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data it was really wild stuff at the end of the night i'm putting all of my my equipment back into
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my car and out of nowhere one of those orbs flies out of the house into an alley across the street
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and he's like that's when i'm looking down at my equipment i realize that in my trunk staring right
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at me is my laser thermometer he said so i'm starting to use that trying to hit it with the laser
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he said to my utter astonishment the light hit it and it refracted off of the orb
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he said that immediately after that the orb went right through a wall
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so he's had he's had also he's had some really wild cases but he had one case where
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uh there was a man and they were i think they were doing some investigation he's kind of a tough
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guy he was former special forces and real tough individual but um he was picked up off of his feet
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and it was hanging out against the wall and he said something is choking me something is choking me
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well they didn't see anything choking them until they saw a ball of light go into his body cavity
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up throughout his his his body up to his neck and then they saw a handprint manifest
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over his neck you know steve maris had case studies where they've had what's called evps
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manifest electronic voice phenomena well they have their voice recorders out and they'll go back and
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they didn't see anything with the naked eye right but they'll go back and they'll hear voices that are
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transplaced onto their equipment and then they will they will look at that and they will compare
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and contrast that with their video footage so they didn't see a thing with their naked eye but at the
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moment the transplacement of audio occurred one of those orbs was hovering directly over the equipment
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so whatever we're dealing with is not just in hauntology it's not just in parapsychology we're also
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seeing that in ufology as well before chris bledsoe encountered the white lady there's the apparition
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he was he was absorbed by a ball of light hovering directly over him so whatever these pre-archetypes
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pre-manifestations are we're seeing them everywhere in the field and they have the ability to become
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anthropomorphic what do i mean by that i mean that they can literally sound and look human
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you know dr barry taff had a case study in the san pedro haunting in california jackie hernan does
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where they're following these basketball volleyball sized orbs they have them on film it's absolutely
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incredible research but um they they're finally cornering one of these objects right one of these
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uaps if you will right in a room and uh out of nowhere it started to fire off these electronic
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signatures and out of nowhere all of a sudden it goes collapses itself into an apparition of a man
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that was moving and when it did it looked right at dr taff and all of his assistants there hit the floor
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they all fainted oh and so what we're looking at again is and i'm going to i'm working on a theory now of
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what i do believe we're dealing with in some of these cases uh but whatever they are we're seeing
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them even before uaps manifest and i i've had i have i've had about maybe five or six different
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photographs of that taking place where i have uh one minister him and his wife were taking a vacation in
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tennessee they uh they see this secluded lake and it's breathtaking they had to go out take a picture of
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it they take a photograph of with their phone and they see the structured craft and it's a metallic
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object okay what they saw this is getting really weird what they saw with their eyes were orbs
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what they captured on with the camera was a craft so we're seeing it just it's how fluid it is it's
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really freaky stuff my point though is whatever these objects are they're they're just being discovered
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everywhere in the field and that i don't think that's an accident so it seems to me then what's
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more important than the form that a thing takes is its nature um it's function yeah you know that uh
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i'm gonna go ahead and and reveal to the audience that i've been using that that phrase a lot uh uh
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the function of a thing is more important than the form uh that actually comes from god of war and
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i'm gonna go ahead and reveal that right now and i'm very sorry to the audience who's gonna make money
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funny for that but so two things about that we're doing ourselves a disservice in my estimation by
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having these talking heads come out every so many years and uh rebrand a thing it's no longer a ufo
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it's a uap it's no longer a alien it's a nhi a non-human uh intelligence or a a non-human biologics or
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you name it it does we're here with one of planet fitness's black card members how are you feeling
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oh pretty wiped but i've got my eye on the hydra massage beds it felt like a real team effort out
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of things nature and all it does is muddy the waters a bit further so within that spirit of understanding
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a thing's nature um maybe we can talk about some of the elements and i don't want to bury the lead
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because um you know i think that the the true nature of the thing is maybe the most important
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aspect of this conversation i'd like to start off with uh finding out if you agree with something
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and that's something is do you think that there is any aspect of these entities or this phenomenon
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that seems to feed off of energetic exchanges so so within conspiracy we we call it loose um and within
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sort of this if you want to shift the conversation to a more biblical demonic you know uh uh world view
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then you might say that they they seem to benefit from our exertion of uh of sort of sadness low vibe
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you might call it low vibrational anger you can call it worship like where we're where we're putting our
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attention yeah yeah fear fear is another good one fear like these things if they seem to feed off
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them is there anything in your research that gives that legs absolutely it's everywhere and that's uh
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it's everywhere really so let me break that down um the research that steve mayor and i've been doing
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lately kind of approaches the phenomenon almost like a program that operates within our environment and
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we're just now starting to understand it so he's had cases where this intelligence would knock an object
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off of a wall and you would actually feel the home shake oh my god what was that and then your adrenaline
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shoots up there on the back of your neck stands up and you're freaking out they're wondering my god
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we have an earthquake well they go and find the object that was that fell off the wall and they actually
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run an experiment and it would barely make a noise when they did it what's it doing even within dr barry
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tap's case with uh in the san pedro haunting um it was almost like they thought that the real victim
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of this intelligence was jackie hernandez until they realized that this thing was was traveling traversing
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across the street into other homes so and i'll take it a step further uh where the program it's almost like
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it induces us to a dreamlike state but we have the ability now to see into the seams of the dream
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enough to to flush out a pathology so let me give you a case study from my dear friend paul st clair
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he's the probably in my mind the leading uh crypto zoologist in the world he's got a channel called truth
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proof but anyways he has uh an area next to him where he lives in england called benton and they have all
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kinds of of wolf man cases and manifestations there they had one case in that environment
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it's fascinating in that area where three boys are running near a set of train tracks and they're
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running and they see this bipedal creature emerge from the woods and immediately when they i lay eyes on
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him they're petrified they're terrified and so they start running of course who wasn't they're running and
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they're running they're out of breath well one of them happens to trip and fall and and finally
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to his his utter astonishment here comes that entity and now it's towering directly over him
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like he's about to wet himself oh my god he's about to kill me and he gets all the way up to the child's
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we have cases uh same area of the of the world where um you have a bipedal creature that's barely
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moving its legs but it's keeping up with the car that's driving 60 miles an hour
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yep many cases why because that's a seam in the dream it's a glitch in the matrix what we're looking at
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is this until it has this this desire to where it will co-create an experience with you terrify you
00:28:16.180
take the energy from you and then go use that towards its real victim it's what we in the field
00:28:23.140
we we never really considered especially in parapsychology was is it possible that we're looking at
00:28:29.540
the wrong victimology some people are not really victims of it it's like a program where it's like
00:28:36.900
okay i'll feed off of you and that you'll be a victim to an extent but i'm going to use all of
00:28:41.540
that energy to perform a ritual or to sigilize or to really manifest it in a family's house so there is
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this programmed mechanism within the phenomenon i know steve told me many cases where
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uh originally parapsychology poltergeist activity was deemed to be a mindless unguided process
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well the phenomenon just does whatever right and that's not true uh we had one he had one case where
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there was a i think it was a coke can or something on a kitchen table and it only moved at 11 or so
00:29:18.100
inches and then the next day it's still there right the phenomenon is that then it moves something else and
00:29:24.820
they go and look at that amount it was the same amount of inches so it had limitations and so
00:29:30.820
what we're looking at now is this does seem to be some kind of program when it wants to be and then
00:29:37.860
outside of that we're still looking at um what it's doing but that that is essentially what it does
00:29:44.100
it will induce you into a fear-like state steal all that energy and then go change it
00:29:49.380
and actually use it to to uh to do something else
00:29:54.820
within the confines of a program and its limits where in your research does the idea of consent
00:30:03.220
uh come up on this show the more we look at this the more we find that there's a set of permissions
00:30:09.940
that are given at any moment whether it be by way of interacting with this phenomenon or um i think a
00:30:16.820
great example is how the bible puts generational iniquity um for my own experiences i i find that
00:30:24.820
my my grandmother dabbled in some things that uh you know maybe she shouldn't have been dabbling in
00:30:30.900
and what that did was it seemed to have given this phenomenon a set of uh accesses to you know my
00:30:38.900
my entire family um but i'm looking at this you know not strictly but predominantly through this
00:30:44.900
christian world lens i wonder through this more analytical lens are you finding that that that
00:30:50.580
consent uh or that that set of permissions is consistent across your research just to make
00:30:55.540
this question a little lighter this is something like this is obviously this is a conspiracy show
00:30:59.620
where we do a lot of uh fact finding but we also do comedy and uh you often find a lot of truth in
00:31:06.660
that but this is one of the designs that i made uh for a t-shirt and it's called top lops is dog
00:31:11.940
man and it says the dog man exists in a quantum super state both disemboweling you and not existing
00:31:17.140
depending on whether or not you look at it um that's actually super it's a joke but it's very
00:31:23.540
insightful given the context right i got this from putting away my chickens i have like a couple of
00:31:28.980
acres and i would put them away and then i turn around and there'd be this back gated area and very
00:31:34.260
wild like into a lake and i turn around and you can feel this on your neck yeah and i go not going to
00:31:40.100
turn around because if you do then you invite this invitation like it's an invitation or no it's
00:31:45.380
you're giving whatever this thing is power but this does not exist if i don't turn around and if i
00:31:50.180
definitely if i don't run so i walk and all my guts are still inside me i find that when you run the
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the fear becomes exponentially worse yeah well you're feeding it right yeah yeah yeah i yeah so what we're
00:32:03.300
looking at here is a unique insight into way this this phenomenon works so let me say this so if you
00:32:11.060
watch the mothman prophecies there's a unique conversation between john klein and indrid cold
00:32:18.580
and john klein is asking anything and everything he can to this entity you know who are you what are
00:32:24.020
you where are you from and then finally he lands on a question indrid cold is willing to answer
00:32:29.140
that's what do you look like we're here with one of planet fitness's black card members how are you
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and indian cold's response was well it depends on who's looking oh
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this is back to the observer effect this is why the phenomenon seeks to be seen now let's get back to
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consent consent is belief and 90 of the time it's belief in the image that's what we're told don't
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believe in the image that's why we work that's why the phenomenon projects form deceives us with the
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form and then in the sting of the tail as the actual function and so getting back to the seeking
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to be seen and what do you look like it depends on who's looking i i had a case one time it's a
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fascinating conversation with this individual she was um an abductee from her youth and she said that when
00:33:40.180
the phenomenon would take her where these entities would take her because i do believe they're entities
00:33:43.860
as well uh that they would manifest to her in her room as her favorite cartoon characters why
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what do they look like well it depends on who's looking at them and so within this framework she
00:33:57.300
is realizing that yeah you're my you're my favorite cartoon characters you're my favorite comic book
00:34:02.820
characters and she's like and they took her they monitored her monitored her fertility all kinds of weird
00:34:09.380
stuff but one day she's like she just realized that they had not kidnapped her in a long time
00:34:15.860
and so two or three years go by and now she's considerably taller right much more mature she
00:34:23.940
doesn't even watch those cartoons anymore doesn't read those comic books and because a lot of the
00:34:30.180
phenomenon is programmed right they manifest to her in her room as those cartoons again and it didn't
00:34:38.580
make sense to me she said nathanael it never made sense to me she goes because i'm looking at this
00:34:43.300
little creature and it's projecting into my mind it's co-creating by the way but let's just use that
00:34:49.380
term loosely projecting into my mind and image and she's like but i realized really quick like no you're
00:34:57.060
not who you appear to be and she said i stopped believing in the form it took and that's when the
00:35:07.380
there was again a seam in the dream where the entity's eyes grew it began to stare into her eyes and
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they begin to move like this back and forth and after a while and this is what i call the learning
00:35:22.580
matrix it was trying to improvise an image and it couldn't and then they disappeared so android cold
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what do you look like it depends on who's looking this is why we have again at least from my perspective
00:35:38.500
the observer effect playing a role in this i mean dr turner had tons and tons of cases in her career
00:35:44.820
where people would see the same ufo in the sky but they could not agree on what it looked like
00:35:50.420
now something was there same thing with the case study with uh with gary nolan something was there
00:35:55.860
but by the time it is observed it has collapsed itself into something else therefore it's diversifying
00:36:06.180
its identity in our eyes and we have a thousand different descriptions for what may very well be
00:36:13.380
a singular intelligence that we're just now starting to understand and this is why this is why we're
00:36:20.260
running into this uh this federal government aspect of framing the narrative of what this is
00:36:28.020
at the very same time that disclosure disclosure is uh is eminent so yeah that we we kind of like
00:36:35.380
banged our heads against the wall like why why now why pick a a target why well i mean not just to make
00:36:42.020
it about us but it happened to us why pick us why frame it in a specific way we're using the trust
00:36:46.900
the science method and i it makes me wonder what will happen when the vast majority of people not
00:36:56.820
only believe in aliens or these whatever we want to call it whatever they're going to disclose and name
00:37:02.740
them what's going to happen to the power of these things to act physically here because i a great example
00:37:11.140
would be just a whatever we go to war with iran and uh you know there's videos of trump saying
00:37:16.740
we never do that and then we did it and then his his followers go they go oh yeah he never said that
00:37:23.300
whatever you know it's like so there's a cognitive dissonance that is it's it's belief they have
00:37:28.260
believed the narrative and they believed it's really what it is man um i'll tell you what i do not
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i take very little of what's coming from the government seriously these days case in point when i went and
00:37:43.140
and thought i had an idea of ufology in america or at least globally and i went to lecture in the uk
00:37:47.940
with people who were yeah they were like no like we know that's most of your technology here we're
00:37:52.660
your allies you know militarily and yeah we know that's a lot of your technology i'm like no way
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they're like yeah i mean let's let's look at this real quick steve mirror for the last like five years
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at one point he had been lecturing and showing a video of a balloon and asking you know the people
00:38:10.020
that were there watching you know is this a uap or ufo like okay and then at the end of the day
00:38:14.500
it's like no no this is the this is the united states technology it's actually a balloon and he
00:38:18.180
explains the origin and all that well um i talked along and to the stars academy took that and went
00:38:25.060
out and said that's an actual uap it's an actual ufo right and everybody here in the states were like
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well if they said it that's it no they retracted that video once they were called out
00:38:36.980
and so there isn't enough well elizondo did something very similar where he presented
00:38:42.100
bunk images as definitive proof of ufos it turned out that it was actually just two images in a crop
00:38:48.980
field that were adjacent to one another that looked like something in the sky casting a shadow on the
00:38:53.620
ground but this is now the authority figure that we're supposed to look to on uap disclosure you're
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exactly right and what we're seeing right now within ufology is there is an undercurrent
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of occultism that's trying that they're desperately trying to hide i mean their wits in to hide
00:39:13.620
and uh we can get into that in a second but again even with the changing of these terms right okay it's
00:39:20.660
not they're not it's extraterrestrial we know they're extraterrestrial and um i don't believe we
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know that at all i mean i can even go to a prophecy given to by one of the main occultists as to when
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and why this terminology would change yeah i you know what why are occultists knowing more about the
00:39:40.020
phenomenon than we do i'll tell you why it's because there's a war for information and there are two
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warring factions within the government now i know researchers all across the world that they're
00:39:52.420
suffering from the same demise where secretly right they know for sure this has everything to
00:39:58.660
do with the gold entities but their government is saying it's extraterrestrial meanwhile they're
00:40:04.660
building entire group think tanks and they're calling it occult science from project start as long
00:40:13.220
as we can repackage it we can get away without actually having to acknowledge the origin and because
00:40:21.140
then we have to have a head knowledge and if i don't even know how the topic is and know the subject matter
00:40:26.500
then if i just call it extraterrestrial i'm not responsible for the intellectual conversation
00:40:32.980
can i call this this is this is um this is fascinating because i want to get your second
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nathaniel sorry to interrupt can you tap your microphone okay so sorry select your uh oh that's
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what's been going on you're talking through your laptop microphone i'm i'm sorry we'll edit this part
00:40:52.900
out oh this little brief moment here this that's why when he touches the desk or something it makes
00:40:58.180
all that noise yeah yes it's not selecting your your your actual uh microphone um while you do that
00:41:04.260
sound really good though he did sound really good i didn't think that there was anything wrong there
00:41:07.700
it's just that uh that mike's picking up your notes so um two things number one you you use this
00:41:15.380
terminology co-creating a lot which i think is a fascinating terminology to use we have a friend of the
00:41:21.460
show ed mabry who says that human beings are co-creator alongside god so it's fascinating that
00:41:28.260
it seems like something is hijacking that aspect of of our nature um and speaking of co-creating i would
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say that hollywood and the uh nazi pioneered space program nasa have been co-creating the mask as as you've
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been putting it that we would become accustomed with uh you know here in 2026 as we approach disclosure
00:41:50.100
whatever form that's going to take or whatever that's going to happen aliens have have been co-created
00:41:54.900
uh by those two four mentioned uh programs and you mentioned new age sort of occultists and thought
00:42:01.300
leaders i have two and this can springboard us into this conversation um ah there's it's still doing
00:42:07.540
the damn thing i don't know what it is it's all right though maybe just uh you know we'll avoid uh
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whatever the heck that noise was so alistair crowley is one of them uh we had a bunch of notes on
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them but i'm just going to skip ahead that uh crowley says future generations would contact these
00:42:21.940
entities through technology rather than ritual and i think that's important because we talked i don't
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know if it was on the show or if it was pre-show i think it was on the show this idea that these things
00:42:31.700
were previously um communicated with by way of ritual or drug use or a multitude of these there it
00:42:39.540
is i use that word too much a combination of these things um but ultimately leading to channeling
00:42:44.980
channeling you know meditative processes drug induced meditation and this is how you channel
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them but um that we would eventually do that through technology which i would say is a frequency based
00:42:54.500
technology because it seems to be where they exist and then we have manly p hall um so in the t in
00:43:00.500
the secret teachings of all ages he claimed that ancient civilizations received advanced knowledge
00:43:04.500
from what they interpreted it's interesting because interpreted is maybe a really important word here
00:43:09.460
as gods angels or divine teachers and um he says that post the year 2000 that these this ancient
00:43:18.180
knowledge would re-emerge and it kind of points to like a biblical as the days of noah um you know
00:43:23.540
it's just something i tossed in there but uh it would re-emerge and ancient teachers or gods or angels would
00:43:30.820
be accepted as cosmic intelligences and you're right nathaniel there is no shortage of new age occultist thought
00:43:39.300
leaders pointing to this time as when these things were going to be introduced to us and yet the
00:43:45.700
authorities on the on the matter would have us believe that these things are extraterrestrial
00:43:50.420
do you do you believe at all uh that this extraterrestrial narrative uh you know space
00:43:56.340
entities has any bearing in the conversation i if you can hear me can you hear me we're good yes
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okay so i do think it has a bearing in the conversation because it was prophesied by a famous
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occultist by the name of kenneth grant and i'm going to highlight this and underscore it at the
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very end of this because i'm going to tie it into the fact that there are practitioners among us
00:44:15.700
embodied that the phenomenon is actually seeding with technology and so in a way it's conjuring them
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we'll get to that in a second so i'm going to read a quote and show you what we're dealing
00:44:28.100
with kenneth grant from his book outside the circles of time some believe that the ufo phenomena
00:44:34.340
are a part of the miracle an amounting mass of evidence seems to suggest that mysterious entities
00:44:41.140
have been located within the earth's ambiance for countless centuries in that more and more people
00:44:47.300
are being born with the ability to see or in some ways see their presence here we go prayer for deific
00:44:56.020
intervention in ancient times has now become a cry from the heart to extraterrestrial
00:45:01.780
or interdimensional entities according to whether the manifestations are viewed as occurring within
00:45:08.420
man's consciousness or outside again are we co-creating it and we're dealing with the mask or outside of
00:45:15.460
himself and it is apparently objective but often invisible entities now art and this is a key pathology
00:45:20.180
here the new isis lodge has in its archives the sigils of some of these entities why would aliens have
00:45:27.540
sigils and why is he educating on this right for us why is he educating us on this the sigils come
00:45:35.380
from a grimoire of unknown origin which forms a part of the dark kabbalah located by magicians in the
00:45:42.900
tunnel of caliphate hmm oops yeah why is that why is that a problem is because we're finding sigils on
00:45:51.460
experiences in the same sigil sorry is this too deep too quick buddy no no this is great but uh i i just
00:46:02.740
don't want to repeat information from like the lat maybe the last time you were on we we interviewed
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a guy named citizen d oh yeah yeah no this is worth repeating uh we're here with one of planet fitness's
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and he is a dude in the uk and he said he's involved with doing crop circles so he said about 80 to
00:46:49.140
i don't know 80 of the crop circles that people do see are man-made and i said well where do you come
00:46:54.260
up with the designs turns out they're downloads i said that's very interesting i showed him uh some of
00:47:02.580
like some of solomon's sigils like where from the lesser keys of solomon yeah from the lesser keys of
00:47:08.180
solomon and i i i didn't scroll to the top where the title was so i just said do you recognize any of
00:47:14.100
these and he goes yeah that one and that one and that one and i put that one in a field and i'm
00:47:18.980
like that's really interesting and uh then then he told us that he was having poltergeist phenomenon
00:47:24.020
he couldn't explain why he also told us that after he put one of these symbols in a field
00:47:28.020
that um a local coven of witches approached him and thanked him for doing it because they had been
00:47:34.260
up all night uh doing these prayers and seances for something like this to be shown to them and
00:47:40.820
then it happened in an adjacent field next to where they were doing this so this is the thing that
00:47:45.060
everybody hopes to separate right now which is why when you said that you know i kind of i i was a
00:47:50.980
little bit like not maybe i appeared overwhelmed it's a mild bit of frustration it's not necessarily
00:47:56.900
that it's heavy i agree that it is heavy but it's frustrating because it's to me glaringly obvious
00:48:03.540
and what you just highlighted is another drop in the bucket and the bucket has a label on it that says
00:48:08.820
it's obvious dummy and right now i've been showing that bucket to all kinds of people we had it out with
00:48:15.460
with you know timothy alvarino and all these other characters who there's a interesting
00:48:20.820
phenomenon that's taking place you want to talk about a phenomenon a narrative and that's what it
00:48:25.220
is it's it's controlling a narrative and it's happening right now and i think it's crunch time
00:48:30.260
because i think that disclosure will be happening maybe more uh soon than we previously thought we've
00:48:35.460
always kind of thought it was going to happen i think we might actually be there and they're trying
00:48:39.460
to do this damage control in this narrative control and i'm trying to say the overlap and maybe it's
00:48:46.100
not even overlap it might it might be one to one between what people identify as demonic encounters
00:48:52.500
and what people identify as alien encounters are they're virtually the same thing and instead this
00:49:00.420
this narrative and opposition is you know risen up to counter this and it says if you think aliens
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are demons you're an idiot albeit it's reductive and we are stupid and we are stupid and it's it's not
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quite that clean cut right to say that aliens are demons you would say well what do you mean by that
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and that's a fair question but to label people who have noticed the overwhelming amount of patterns
00:49:23.220
that overlap with one another between demonic encounters and alien encounters to label those
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people as idiots is i think it's frustrating it's very frustrating it's not just frustrating it is
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it's malicious and i think that it is more so um the result of not a genuine opinion but a narrative
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that hopes to control the public's opinion as we go forward and that to me is is is unforgivable and
00:49:46.900
so just listening to you you know lay some of these things out yeah man it's it's frustrating
00:49:51.220
it's frustrating to hear this because it seems very obvious well it's again it you i tell you what's
00:49:56.980
frustrating for me is knowing that there are good people that feel like that or or believe that that
00:50:04.660
you know not the radiates or anything but that and i had conversations with them afterwards it was like
00:50:10.180
what's going on like i don't know you know i don't like i don't know any of these guys really i don't
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man and i but it frustrates me when i talk to pastors and i'm like what do you mean am i an idiot
00:50:20.100
nathana i'm like no you know but let's get back to this because i think we're going to really pile on
00:50:26.180
some evidence here that is germane to the conversation you know when we're getting back
00:50:31.860
to civilization in its activity with alien entities dr carlick turner had a case study
00:50:38.980
where this took place where uh and i i was in common contact with the the son of the experiencer but
00:50:47.700
the mother is a contactee and she's working with dr turner and um you know and one night she goes to
00:50:54.180
sleep on her couch and uh the son and the husband are watching a movie or something and out of the
00:51:00.660
corner of their eye they see what's called a biofield a translucent cloud of balls of light
00:51:07.780
and they're moo it's moving silently into the living room and it descends slowly down upon the sleeping
00:51:14.980
mother now here's where we get into form versus function 30 or 40 minutes later she wakes up and
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she says i saw form i saw an alien but her body had sigils from head to toe let me take it a step further
00:51:36.820
okay so the collins elite which by the way were not simpletons and they weren't just fundamentalists they
00:51:42.100
were physicists okay chuck missler was rumored to be one of them if not a consultant of them
00:51:49.140
right so there's a hierarchy here of research and researchers in that field and the collins elite
00:51:56.660
had realized that um there was actually uh richard gottlieb i believe it was had a a program called
00:52:05.700
project often and his job was he was going around and he was actually investigating crop circles in
00:52:12.260
england and what they had discovered according to final events okay according to their research was
00:52:18.580
that there was an energy signature and a molecular anomaly in some of these crop circles
00:52:26.820
and that after performing again performing successful rituals in those areas two separate areas that they
00:52:39.060
had they had determined that the same electronic signature and energy signature was discovered
00:52:45.460
after the performance of a successful ritual that they discovered in in the real crop circles take that data set
00:52:53.780
aside i personally know people who have investigated created fabricated crop circles in england
00:53:03.220
and they've had the same energy signatures guys they had the same anomalies we're talking about
00:53:09.700
batteries dying right we're talking about where the clusters within the soil are stuck together
00:53:16.580
so what we're looking at seems to be a relationship of sigilization why is it acting like that
00:53:24.180
because you're changing the molecular structure by virtue of ritual so my point here though is that
00:53:30.340
there is some kind of sigilization occurring on experiencers now i had a remote viewer that i had
00:53:36.260
worked with who uh was going in and out of his body he believed he was meeting his guides and again that's
00:53:42.580
just another archetype that's a form yeah here comes the function and uh after one session of of of uh
00:53:50.900
whatever he was doing remote view i could think it was that's what he said but uh he goes back into
00:53:55.460
his body and he he sees that like he's he's having a massive heart attack and his son told me and no
00:54:02.100
uncertain terms this incredible case he said as they're working on my father to save his life from
00:54:07.780
underneath the surface of his skin were sigils i have photographic evidence of this they were
00:54:15.380
subdermal scarifications that were sigils from underneath the skin so what we've got to do and
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i'm not just saying you and i'm not just you know whatever but in general we've got to get rid of form
00:54:26.100
and start looking at function because we should not have aliens sigilizing experiencers just like we
00:54:32.580
should not have marjorie marjorie cameron right the contemporary and basically the uh the female
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companion to crowley and parsons we should not have her performing a ritual and seeing a ufo
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we should not have an alien entertainment mr blue manifesting at the successful result of a seance
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in the skull experiment but we are why is that and so that's the kind of research i and my colleagues
00:55:06.660
are what was the name of that experiment called it's called the skull experiment it was in skull england
00:55:12.180
um but what we're looking at here guys is there there does seem to be a hierarchy
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and whatever they're doing is they're manipulating forms so that they can they can give us the function
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i i wonder what you'd make of um so are you familiar with rudolph steiner
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so that that idea um and i've i've i've brought this up on recent episodes and i've prefaced it
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with like you know steiner has some fascinating ideas he thinks that the archangel michael won a great
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battle uh in the heavens and casted down you know the the the losing spiritual demonic entities in like
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1870 um so you know i have difficulty placing that but still he claims that this was the case and that um
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these entities were cast down to the human realm and it would later be redefined as enlightening
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progressive and scientific rather than demons and uh that mankind would eventually be entirely
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deceived by these entities and he looked to our current era as the era in which the deception
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would be fully accepted so that kind of insinuates that there would be it would be an elongated process
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and i've been speculating that that process might include what we talked about earlier um as far as
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like the propaganda machine in hollywood and and you know the the space program etc um being part of this
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this great big deception um we're here with one of planet fitness's black card members how are you
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of that because i i have trouble like i said placing it just because it's it's such a strange claim uh 1870
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the year 1870 and but i mean it seems to be on par with what we're experiencing right now
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well i think that we're being propagandized not just by hollywood but by the federal government because
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i know this for a fact they're performing rituals in the darkness in order to conjure these entities
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so that you could get technology yeah i mean even okay let me pack this in and just really
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hopefully solidify this theory um but years and years ago i think it's about 40 years ago um
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well who now is an aerospace ceo richard banderick said he was contracted out by the federal government
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he's a whistleblower now but he said and we were going to gifting fields
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and he said somehow the government knew where the phenomenon was gifting us nano technology or meta
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materials and he said so here i am out there in this field with a handful of other people
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and we go right to the very location we were sent to like here are the coordinates there we are he's
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like in the the meta materials we were collecting always blended in with its environment
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that's form here comes the function he's like but whenever we would actually get it in our hands
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if that meta material was not designed for us this blew my mind gentlemen
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oh my god he goes and he goes i'm holding it in my hand and within 10 seconds it devolves into a dust and
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when ryan bledzo says that tim taylor asked his father are you merlin he's not said again we're
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being told one thing but we're not capturing the implication he's not saying are you that same
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wizard no merlin is a quantifier merlin was a title it's a descriptor are you a practitioner
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and why you why you let me break this down and go back to biblical antiquity
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in the eyes of a dying father there but the dying fire in the eyes of a dying fire there was a man
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who's stoking it and he gets a download into his mind and he says okay i am being told to go out
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there into the darkness because there's meta material out there there's some kind of metal i've been
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given and i am being told to carve the name of an unclean spirit into that metal and then i'm going to
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implant that i thought that was ufo no it's not i'm going to implant that object into a corpse
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underneath its tongue and now the phenomenon will hijack and commandeer that cadaver and i'm
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interfacing with it now is that necromancy or is that technology it's both but it's technology
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tailored and designed for occultists for practitioners now now we got to deal with
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this idea of okay are they actually again i'm not applying these performing rituals out there
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i'm suggesting our federal government is looking for a practitioner that will that the phenomenon
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wants to work with this technology and so i believe they 100 went to chris blood so and said okay
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is it you they're looking for we know they're looking for somebody right because again you have
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the technology and you have the conjurer you have to have them both for this to work
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and so what they realize is we have the technology but we cannot work it so we've got to go find the
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conjurer it it's meant to be with this is why this is why they're sigilizing rockets when they
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send them out into space why who's sigilizing them an occultist
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and so this is all tied intertwined together and it leads me to believe that this is again in
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necronetics that what we're dealing with on this planet is an embodied species of occultists
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and this is why in psalms david said that those who worship them will become like them
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you actually take on the characteristics of the phenomenon you're conjuring
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this gets i don't know i'm rambling here but i'm just riffing off of necronetics but i think that
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this is a lot deeper and a lot darker i i know a person um who was a secularist got into ufology
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because they wanted to you know encounter entities and research the extraterrestrial
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they lectured at a conference okay with big name researchers and then after the conference went to
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one of their homes and the first thing that they were they witnessed was an altar they had built to
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these entities in their closet shattered their worldview because we're being fed a narrative of
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extraterrestrial presence but it also wants to be worshipped once alters built in its name
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and is operating within occult science nathaniel what what do you make of this search for uh
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the merlin for the this uh person that's embodying a certain something what happens when that is it
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a genetic thing or is it a yeah for sure let's go there let's go there guys we just had heidi love on
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and we're talking about you know the mormon mountain of of dna and that rabbit hole um but
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it for sure is what what do you think happens though we're here with one of planet fitness's
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applies uh i think there's two things going on here so again i've had to kind of deconstruct
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everything i thought i knew about this stuff you know um so with gary nolan's research what we
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realized was that just because the experience is tailored for you or to you doesn't mean it's
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tailored for you so you know like originally so okay i experienced the paranormal oh my god i'm
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being haunted okay what gary nolan did is sat down with experiencers and said okay you're you're uh
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you're first generation right like okay yeah all right so you ever experienced the paranormal sure so
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they did brain scans on the first experiencer and he had a brain anomaly on it's incredible okay he
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had an anomaly on his brain scan okay it's on the kudat punaman area of the brain and so then
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the second generation comes along and again we're dealing with various uh various generations
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of experiencers the second generation because yeah i i matter of fact it's weird you mention that
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i experience the same thing you know and it follows me everywhere so they do another brain scan
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on number two it's on junior right same brain scan anomaly what's going on same part of the brain
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what is going on here the third generation comes over they do a brain scan on him but in the interview
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they said have you ever experienced the finale absolutely not i don't know what you're even talking
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about i don't believe in it never experienced anything like that but they had the same
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brain scan anomaly so just because what we're literally looking at is that a phenomenon will
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hijack the bloodline by virtue of manifestation so it's tailored to us but it could actually be
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bioengineering and hijacking the bloodline to where further down in another generation it'll show
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up to the actual person it's waiting for i've had cases like that does make it sense yes yeah well
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you know what's fascinating about that is they they say that um schizophrenia which now i i understand
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is a totally different phenomenon than what uh the medical industry calls it but it has this ability to
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you know they used to think that it skipped a generation and now they're not too sure that
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was the science the cutting edge science in like the early 2000s was that uh schizophrenia has this
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tendency to skip a generation now they're saying that's not the case it only goes through some process that
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appear to skip a generation but you know they're they identified what i think is a spiritual um
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disposition as a medical one that is hereditary in nature that has some aspect that makes it look
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like it skips a generation when that's not truly what's happening it's a latency thing it is like
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something waiting and and you know looking for the right uh you know i suppose person in the lineage to
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interact with absolutely right tailored to us but not really for us and so then that when i learned
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that it kind of concerned me because i'm like oh my god i had to throw all kinds of theories out of
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them get out of here let's look at the data here um but i mean i've had cases where that something like
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that occurred where um you know i had one instance where a husband gets to me and he's like you know
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nathaniel he's wigging out he's really losing it's like oh my god i don't know what to do i'm like why
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is that there's something haunting my wife i mean it's really after my wife nathaniel he's like i came
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home from work one day and my wife is paralyzed in bed and she says i don't understand what it is but
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it's hovering directly over me right now just eye to eye and uh i said well do you have someone in the
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occult in your bloodline why that's where the phenomenon began yeah it's searching for the
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other one down the bloodline and he's like well i'm gonna talk to my wife about it so about a month
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later he's like i don't think we we have anything like that going on i said well check again and get
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back to me they went through the bloodline and absolutely they had a practice at the occult
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and what it is again is the phenomenon will claim the bloodline itself and then traverse through it
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and that's one thing it replicates as and through okay so i'm going to go through some of the pillars
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of necromatics so this intelligence replicates by implantation and impregnation implantation and
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impregnation so a lot of people within demonology they they don't understand that this is both spiritual
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and physical so you mean that there's pregnancy and possession the same cases absolutely matter of
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fact if you look back through what's called the debut phenomenon in the 16th century you had people
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women who were being possessed by entities that had accosted them in their dreams said wake up the next
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day they would have a different language preference they would have different experiences bouncing around
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in their minds and i remember when i was doing this 100 years ago really really freaky stuff
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um but soon after that they started to have physical symptoms of pregnancy and i mentioned this in
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times past this is found in this book i'm not going to make too much of a noise here
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all right spirit possession in judaism cases in context from the middle ages to present all right
01:09:03.300
in this particular book they talk about instances where the same women that were possessed by entities
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were seemingly impregnated by them as well how does that happen right secondly they go to the the
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rabbis and their exorcist and softy in the 16th century and they're presenting themselves they're like
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you know i'm having a lot of weird symptoms and i don't understand what's going on and so they went
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through what's called the lavouche method which is a series of experiments and tests they came to the
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start of the conclusion that you're not just pregnant by the entity but you're possessed by the entity that
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impregnated you and then they thought about it and they said well wait a minute it's almost not that
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you're pregnant by the entity that's because that's possessing you're you're you're pregnant with it
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with it i would suggest that that is a ritual explain that i'll explain that is another occult
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ritual and that's how this phenomenon is carrying its bloodline in our species we have cases i mean
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this is fascinating even from the golden bow it's an anthropological book written by james fraser it's
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called the red right and the red right is essentially what's a transfer of consciousness from one body to
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another our own government's trying to do that through astral projecting and remote viewing
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uh all right can i go a little bit deeper is this okay no yeah please it's funny this just came up
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recently where somebody was talking about astral projecting and then finding that uh when they
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were going around to certain locations they would approach government buildings and find that there
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were other people suddenly in this astral realm and they seem to be like working like guarding the
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the building they're doing shit yeah yeah like hey you can't really go back you said uh it's called
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the d book uh the d book rich yeah so we were talking about less wexner obviously in the oh yeah in the
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epstein files and he's you know notorious for having a d book put on him but so this phenomenon is not
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explicit just to women it's not only for women this happens to men as well and it leads to god knows what
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the species i'm looking at are specifically men this is why in the sexual pathology within
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demonology was mainly women it was incubi entities that were manifesting two women in the images of
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their husband and then inseminating them impregnating them yeah so the incubus is the d book they're one
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in the same now let me explain this we realize again how did they impregnate how did they possess well
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now we're now we're getting to to what's called the sexual pathology of the incubus so within the
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incubus you have a term that was often employed by demonologists and that was the word larva larva
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was described as the fetus or as the biological avatar they possessed that's what they impregnated the
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women with now we get into the incubi literature from father shin and story of amino we have a problem
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because how can a spirit by right an incorporeal entity secrete substances and carve sigils onto the
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bodies of the victims that seems to be an embodied species of practitioner right in addition to that
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sinistra i reckon the conclusion that we have another problem here because the secretions are being
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accompanied by sigil magic here comes the sigils and so we're looking at again and i'm gonna i'm gonna
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throw this out there the red right in the golden bow was further solidified by peter j carroll
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in his book liber nol in the psychonaut okay he had this term okay and it was called fanateros
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fanatos meaning death and eros meaning sex and what he did in the red right was that you create a bond
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with the woman hello incubus you implant a fetus in her body there's your pregnancy and you possess that
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new fetus as your biological avatar that's your possession of pregnancy incubus debug so what this
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species does is it will hijack a male a male adept that adept will perform sigil magic on the victim
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create again impregnate and then the entity within them will take on that child as their biological
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avatar i believe 100 that's how it's self-replicating its own species so is it either or
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no it's one can i break it down further this is making sense yeah no yeah okay this is why with
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the witch event on this it gets back to t wake t witt and davies research where okay so we have
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essentially we have the father and the son right the father is the body it creates the son in the womb
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commandeers the body of the sun and that sun carries on its legacy now in t witt and davie's
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work professor esther amore's work they have this term with the witch of indor with an ancient
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necromancy where it's called the ob ob ob and it's actually pronounced uv in hebrew but it's a canaanite
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loan word and in canaanite in the canaanite language it meant father or revenant
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we get the word uva abba this is wild stuff and so in nature necromancy what they believed is that
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when you created the biological avatar of the entity that's returning you're actually creating the entity
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itself they're not either or they're one in the same and so what they were doing is fascinating is they
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had this term they had different definitions and so the first definition of the the uv was it's the
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biological avatar of the entity uh-oh see where we're going the second term is that it is the
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entity itself that's possessing the avatar making sense the third term was that the avatar itself was
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a way that would amplify the communication it had in this dimension so what the phenomenon did through
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hybridism is it took all three terms collapsed them into one and now we have the hybrid amongst those
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it is the entity a trinity within and i that's not what i'm saying i'm not saying that's yeshua and all
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them but what i am saying here is that that's what i believe they're doing through possession and
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pregnancy and why people like les wexner yeah are saying i'm possessed by a d book why because
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even even when it's as far to say that there are times when the hair on the back of his neck stands up
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and he's basically being told to do something by the entity but i think that solves the mystery of how and
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why the self-replication and that's my little rant on that so i apologize for the side no no that's
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fantastic oh and benjamin actually posted a a video of lex wex well less wexner as he's being uh
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deposed i suppose he's in a courtroom setting and they ask him a question and you can see at that very
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moment it's like the hair on the back of his neck does stand up and he actually has to shake his head
01:17:14.020
to get it to like yeah he goes and then he answers a question but it was an uncomfortable question i was
01:17:19.220
like man that was that was a dude who had a physical tell of wanting to silence a voice in his head
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yeah that's that's what i saw when i saw that um i want to ask you nathan about so we we've talked
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about sort of what what you would call the spiritual aspect of it and obviously we've we've dabbled
01:17:34.100
around the physical aspect of the phenomenon interestingly enough when it came to our recent
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debate uh we had you know timothy abarino said something fascinating i actually didn't expect him
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to say this but he said that the abduction phenomenon is strictly physical which i uh disagree
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with wholeheartedly and in fact within the body of data that is um non-definitive you know a lot
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of it is anecdotal especially when we're talking about uh uh you know abductee testimony it is
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overwhelming that the abductees or the experiencers will say something to the effect of sometimes it's
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physical sometimes it seems to take place in an astral or a spiritual realm so i i reject that i don't
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think that there's any basis for saying that this entire you know the entire phenomenon is strictly
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physical when it comes to alien abductions but i do want to explore the physical aspect of it in
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particular what you think about this new um pantheon of entities is about the best way that i can put it
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so within this pantheon we have the tall grays the short grays we have the insectoids uh we have
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reptilians we have um uh the the tall whites and i think that you would even categorize the way that the
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woman as the bledsoes are describing falls into this kind of pleiadian or tall nord uh descriptive
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and and even that is fascinating because we talked briefly for a moment about the iran versus israel
01:18:53.060
situation and it is worth noting that uh chris bledsoe's lady said that um there was going to be
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a nuclear exchange by iran and israel and that it would be thwarted effectively uh by orbs and i'm not
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saying that even that won't even come to pass i'm just saying if you do in fact see that come to pass
01:19:11.540
don't bet your bottom dollar that you understand the nature of it as chris bledsoe has described
01:19:15.780
it to you or the lady has described to chris bledsoe but um among this pantheon of entities
01:19:22.260
what do you suspect is happening here is this something that is once again the the phenomenon
01:19:27.300
presenting to us in whatever way we are likely going to accept at the moment or is this something
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that's transcended that because it seems to have a real physicality to it in in many circumstances and
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surely i would imagine they'd hope to parade something physical out to us at some point
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what would you make of that physical thing i think we're dealing with what's called a
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paraphysical model that john keel popularized in his books so if we're dealing with the spiritual
01:19:55.540
matter it's not just the reductionist lens of saying well it's just something we cannot see
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no in many cases it's something we can't even touch even in seances we have cases where these entities and i
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mean it happened often in england specifically where you would have a ball of light and you would
01:20:13.140
have it any that's slowly constructing itself out of it to the ability to be touched you can actually
01:20:20.820
touch them and so this is gets back into some of thomas aquinas research where it's the subtle spiritual
01:20:26.820
nature um but in terms of the taxonomy i don't believe any of those really exist let me say this when
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people say that we have non-human biologics i would refer to peter lavenda with his conversation with
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michael aquino when aquino told him well we have we we kind of threw that term out there because again
01:20:46.260
we on the outside at open resource research or open source which we didn't we don't know what that
01:20:51.380
means right we're thinking they actually have bodies no aquino told lavenda he goes no that was just a
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what we mean by that is anything that returns on the craft from the local planet or from you know
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the moon whatever that's a non-human biologic it's not ours it didn't come with us it's just something
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that that accumulated on the craft when we're taking it home so we're hearing bodies that's not what
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they're meaning not at all um and even i know and i know that people will question nick pope okay that's
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fine but nick pope even recently about not recently but about a year ago said yeah we have bodies but
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they're interdimensional they can be with us and without us at the same time they could be absent with
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all that and what i mean by that is they could be physical until they're not
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not yeah and that's what we know know of them to be throughout seances um and that that's really
01:21:50.740
where i'm at with it uh i could tell you this though the term spiritual has been debated for
01:21:56.020
thousands of years god is a spirit does that simply mean he's just invisible to us or is he a real
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physical entity that's just invisible to us and so this gets back into some of the early philosophical
01:22:10.980
arguments uh but where i stand on and i i i simply do not believe in the reductionist lens of this
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just being simply invisible entities it's not backed up by the data and it's not backed up by
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what we know of the phenomenology behind this intelligence um now to the taxonomy i do not
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believe these entities actually exist at least the grays all of that okay now the grays may actually be
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uh and the meat suit theory does play a role in it but even within for those who like lou elizondo even
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his own book he said the government let's take that theory for a second deconstruct it even our own
01:22:51.700
federal government when they did recover if we take that as you know the grain of sauce at k cool uh
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even when they did uncover the bodies they realized that these beings had smooth brains and they could
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have not constructed the craft they were even piloting so then then we get into the idea that even the
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pilots were being piloted who's piloting the pilot and then we fall back into the original hybridization
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model we all knew to be true which was that you have software and hardware when people say that spirits
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are they are physical because even though we can't see them and that's the only issue it's not true
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there's something piloting the pilot and that's just if we take lou's word at heart now if we don't
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take that into consideration and we go to wakino's theory then we have no bodies whatsoever and we're
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being manipulated by a government that wants to cover up its own technology and would rather pass off
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their own stuff as extraterrestrial so as not to alarm our adversaries um but that's where i'm at with it
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and when people try to define the spiritual as okay that's simply something we can't see that doesn't
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follow the data at all i'm i'm thinking these days that uh in alignment with the idea that people
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throughout history have been inspired you could say by some you know disembodied voice or some uh
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stream of consciousness that they can tap into in order to get the information required to build
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something a piece of technology or otherwise i i i do think that there's some legs to the idea that
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mankind was commissioned in very many ways i mean if you look at the bell-shaped craft of the nazi
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regime and how it bears resemblance to a vimana of the uh vedic belief system to me it seems likely
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that these things are a continuation of that very same uh spirit let's say that the nazis had or that
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anybody else had to try to create these things and that they were inspired by these you know these
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entities that exist if spiritual is is too much for some people then within a certain frequency
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actually seems to be pretty relevant to the conversation we're here with one of planet
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applies um and i said earlier that i think that the mk ultra aspect of this actually plays a much larger
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role than a lot of people understand and i think that that's still um the techniques that mk ultra
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would uh deploy against their victim you know meaning uh disassociation by trauma or by drug use
01:25:51.620
or any of these things or or a combination thereof these are techniques that i think they learn through
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channeling i think they learn from these very same entities and so i think a lot of what people are
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seeing in the abduction scenario is actually a shield or a front for the very same operation and i think it
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utilizes technology that is also inspired by these same entities um and i think that maybe there is
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room for these uh meat suits you know karen wilkinson has a fascinating testimony uh she's one of these
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people who had this pregnancy confirmed by the doctors uh later on has another abduction where you know she
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has i don't know if it's through regressive hypnosis or if she just has this ability to remember
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you know much of her experience or at least what they would have her believe about her experience
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um and then you know in this experience the baby is taken she goes back to the doctor and the doctor
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says this is rather miraculous because not only do you have no signs of being pregnant you have no signs
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of ever having been pregnant which is you know unheard of later on uh in karen's life she would be
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introduced to what people have coined the black-eyed children phenomenon which is the result of uh
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uh this rendition of the hybridization program um but in her experience she does recount seeing these
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bodies discarded uh these these small grays as as non-functioning husks that she even she even
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attributes a smell to them uh of of like sulfur and rotting flesh you know almost insinuating they don't
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do much to clean these things but um you know is that what it looks like on the surface or is this
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you know human being we we have a video that come out pretty often i saw one on twitter recently where
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they are animating this uh almost 3d printed meat this chunk of meat and through some simple you know
01:27:41.700
electrical signals they're sending messages to this to contract muscle and to relax muscle and what this
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does is it creates a crawling effect now this is what they're allowing us to see right and and you
01:27:52.340
imagine that at any given time the government is uh well beyond the threshold of what the public is
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allowed to see so maybe then they have the ability to create something that they send uh you know maybe
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slightly more complex electrical signal to or frequency to and it can carry out you know some some
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rudimentary uh jobs like you know acting as this dummy go ahead oh yeah so this gets back again ties
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into the occult at least from my perspective uh israel rigardi and franz barden both had a concept of
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projecting your consciousness as uh as an alter ego and a lot of this ties into orbology where you can
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actually and this is through rituals you could condense your consciousness into a ball of light
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that will have its own electromagnetic signature
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and not only that pull out another book for everybody okay gotta be very quiet because i don't
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want to disturb you guys does this phenomenon take place uh in the astral projection
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phenomenon like when people are it starts out as that okay demons and spirits of the land
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put that up here for everybody in this book it deals with the sorcerer that had the ability to
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project his consciousness into another location as an alter ego an alter yes to where again it
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you'll interpret another form while he's determining that form's function oh my god so what that means
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this was later uh further uh further identified and matured by franz barden wait wait so he is able
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to determine the the form the alter ego someone else is able to inhabit well that's what i think is
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happening too let's take it let's start with that foundation first and work off of that and so what this
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individual was doing was projecting his consciousness into another room another area but he had the ability
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to perceive what that alter ego was perceiving so it's a it's kind of splitting of two uh and the
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problem is that when people saw the alter ego they didn't realize it was coming from him
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right he had and this is this is called vaulting into a form by franz barden now what we're looking
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at is our government trying to weaponize that same artifact and that same mechanism we've got joe
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mcmonigal right joe mcmonigal he ran an experiment i think with with luozondo where they're trying to
01:30:24.340
remote view or project their consciousness into the jail cell of a terrorist now again what are we looking
01:30:31.060
at they manifested in that jail cell but what the person perceived as their projection or alter ego was
01:30:38.260
not what they really looked like so right and a lot of this begins as plasma balls or electromagnetic
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signals this is why let me go back to this real quick and then we'll get into the kind of hybridism
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aspect of it if we can um this is the phenomenon of sort of sentient intelligent plasmoids absolutely
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absolutely and this is just this is my my my theory um so people can build a stake and burn me whatever you
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want to i'm i'm cool uh but even with okay like let's go back in the 1970s the ussr uh they were really
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liberal with their parapsychological research and so what they had is they had a series of experiments
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dealing with astral projection and turning intention into matter using ritual to create intention and
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to evolve that intention to affect the local environment around them by virtue of projection of
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consciousness it's franz barden it's his robert guardi it's the whole whole aspect of it well what they
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did is they had an individual said okay we're going to tie a we're going to tape an envelope
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on your forehead and we're going to place a blank piece of photograph paper in the envelope we want
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you to project your consciousness into that piece of paper and we want you to carve symbols into it from
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left to right we want you to do it after a few experiments they finally found somebody that could
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okay so then they in a controlled environment what they did is they said okay we're going to take it
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a step further maybe 20 steps if you will and they removed the envelope from the individual's forehead
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placed at 20 feet away or so and said okay go through the same protocol we're going to see if you can do the
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same thing and sure enough something happened this ties back into sending the alter ego right this is
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really fascinating stuff but what happens is through the ritual and after it was performed and everything
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there was a biofield a capuscular cloud of light that had its own electromagnetic signature began to move
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from the individual from her all the way over to the envelope across the room when that biofield or that
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translucent cloud descended down hello dr turner's case study upon that envelope
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yes it had carved symbols into it and so what i'm looking at now is are some of these cases of orbs
01:33:14.260
and even biosigilization which occurred on this individual dr color turner's case study where she's sleeping
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doesn't realize it doesn't realize it but there is an entity or a person that's projecting an altered
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ego of itself as the alien form right the function is being determined by the practitioner and so built within
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that translucent cloud that's entering into the living room built into it is all of the sigils it's wanting to carve into
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her body in what she perceives is crazy and what she's perceiving is alien yeah why because that's the
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vaulting of the form that they're operating off of another question that begs is how much of this
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phenomenon that's being perceived by anyone is is human and it's you know right i mean disembodied human uh
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but still human nonetheless uh that's that's something that's huge i mean people talk about uh
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astral projectors you know viewing their homes etc um within witchcraft yeah merkel talks about that
01:34:18.260
and within witchcraft this is a a common practice this is something that they do i was just watching
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that netflix uh show with my wife and and um it's teaching them how to do this it seems to be teaching
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them how to lucid dream but from the lucid dream state they can then exit that and and begin to
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project in this actual reality i don't want to i don't want to sound like a heretic
01:34:40.660
go ahead here we go i guess i'll just explain my ideas um but the more i do this show and the more
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i really think about this stuff even just like like what you mentioned about this uh incubus type
01:34:52.420
creature this this d book the tenants of it you have the father you have the son and then you have
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the intention which is like the spirit of it i think that's that's the third tenant so i just mentioned
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flippantly the trinity and this is like the trinity is a hard thing for us to wrap our heads around a lot of
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christians don't even like it um because we don't understand it and i think we don't understand it
01:35:16.180
because this is not an ability inherent to human beings this is an ability that's probably inherent
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to elohim or this these type of entities whatever they are and we know that elohim are the same
01:35:27.060
classification as god and jesus but what you're describing now uh kind of like blowing my brain here
01:35:32.580
a little bit uh you're describing just the resurrection of jesus christ as he comes back
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they don't recognize him no yeah they they see him and and he's physical but he walks through walls
01:35:47.060
he's eating with them but he is something's not right about him he's talking to his best friends
01:35:52.100
for the last three years that he's walked with and right and taught and they don't recognize his face
01:35:57.460
he appears different to them but does now the bible doesn't specify does he appear different to each
01:36:02.420
person looking at them i don't think how could you know well like if i'm colorblind and that's orange to
01:36:07.700
me but it's blue to david and we're describing yeah that but that's always blue to david and that's
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always blue to me you know what i mean so well it's you know what we know you know what's the same thing
01:36:16.660
is when you see an occultist who is finding um within their efforts to manipulate this reality
01:36:26.660
the purest sacrifice that they possibly can it's the same that this is what i mean and i don't mean
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to uh people will get upset with that yeah yeah they're good they're going to get upset with it but
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i don't i honestly don't even well you're talking about god's laws yeah these are and and and these
01:36:41.620
things um twisting it inverting it and bastardizing or just recreate yeah this is the way it is and this
01:36:48.020
is what they can do to manipulate it now i think there's certain power levels it seems like god
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jesus christ the holy spirit gotta do it the best ultimate yeah they they have the ultimate power
01:36:56.980
level these other things might need energy or louche or worship to recreate to uh manifest and and do
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these certain things but it just seems to me like the same principle it's it's am i am i off here
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no i think they're inverting it though i mean what we're looking at here is a form and i want to say
01:37:15.220
this too it's not reincarnation what we're looking at by virtue of these rituals it's transmigration
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guys this is why again that the word d book if you want to look at the definition
01:37:25.700
it's literally literally means the impregnation of the dead in the bodies of the living something is
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returning and that's why that's why in necromancy they call him the uva why it's the revenant why he's
01:37:38.580
returning what it what and who is he returning through the avatars it's birthing the app the
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social skin and demonology uh and i think that does i guess hopefully answer some questions i mean we can
01:37:54.340
go in any direction we want to now um but that's just pretty much where i'm at i believe a lot of
01:37:59.860
this ties back to these entities you know what then here here's a good um pivot if you want to bring this
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up on stage top so so this was uh something i actually sent you on instagram we briefly talked
01:38:11.700
about it but this is from the release of the uh epstein files to the doj and this was a correspondence
01:38:18.020
between jeffrey epstein and lawrence krauss and what's happening here effectively is epstein is asking
01:38:24.420
he's outsourcing it appears a argument he's asking lawrence krauss to formulate an argument in the form of an
01:38:32.420
article to debunk claims and these claims are uh of three elements and it seems to me i could be
01:38:39.540
misinterpreting it but it seems to me that he wants to separate um correlation that individuals are
01:38:47.300
drawing between alien abductions um ghosts which given what we've talked with you about here today
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um a ghost seems to be one of the many forms that the phenomenon will present to you at any given
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time uh i would say it's a demonic entity and when i say demonic i mean something that is in opposition
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uh to god and to mankind and maybe even seeks to have a parasitic relationship with human beings whether
01:39:14.820
that's for an energetic energetic exchange or otherwise so ghosts alien abductions and then the third
01:39:21.140
element is uh out of body experiences which is interesting it could be categorized as near-death
01:39:27.620
experiences it could be categorized as what you've described here uh you know leaving the physical
01:39:34.180
form manifesting uh or traveling in some sort of you know realm as a orb or something like that um astral
01:39:41.620
projection remote viewing this encompasses a lot of that out-of-body experiences anything that transcends
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the physical form or leaves the physical form behind and um he'd like it to include some of the
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criticisms that have been bought against these things to kind of dismiss them and he even goes
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as far as saying um i'm not going to attribute your your name to the article so this is interesting
01:40:03.140
because epstein seems like a guy who is funding all sorts of research having to do with um
01:40:10.020
sort of parapsychology or psionics or psychic phenomenon you name it he's interested in it
01:40:17.300
um i find it fascinating that a guy like this would be outsourcing for this argument and in that way
01:40:25.700
it almost makes me go well if you couldn't formulate an argument yourself why would you want there to be
01:40:32.020
one and why outsource to another individual and try to separate these things that in in this discussion
01:40:38.900
alone that we're having seem to have so much overlap yeah so excuse me so he's interesting about
01:40:47.460
epstein and so years ago i did an interview about necronetics and i got an invitation to go on a david
01:40:55.460
ike show and i didn't know much about his work at that time we're here with one of planet fitness's
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but um we get down there they had just interviewed juliette bryan
01:41:36.020
and i didn't know who she was and so we get into this conversation and um he's like yeah he's like
01:41:43.860
i had juliette bryan on here the other day and she's going into some kind of ritualistic manifestation
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that occurred with jeffrey epstein and i'm like oh that's weird as heck you know that's we're very very
01:41:56.100
strange according to her though that there was a time when they were copulating and out of nowhere
01:42:04.100
he shapeshifts so the argument's not is he a separate entity it's almost as if this gets back
01:42:12.900
into some of the pathology i had years and years ago where in the apocryphan of john in the nagamani
01:42:20.580
text i'm not saying it's scripture that's not but there is a sexual pathology present within
01:42:27.060
those case studies that we have throughout all of history even with this particular epstein event
01:42:34.420
where in that particular uh passage and uh long codex two of the uh apocryphan of john it says that
01:42:47.700
and uh they stared into their eyes first they appeared as a lover a mate your classic incubus
01:43:00.180
they said that after during copulation at the moment of conception this is a ritual they stared into the
01:43:08.100
eyes of their victims and at what one point what looked to be their husbands
01:43:15.780
turned into the image of the actual entity possessing them oh no and when you get back into that ritual it
01:43:25.860
was at what's called an abstractic tradition so the ritual and these occultists believed that whatever
01:43:34.180
image the woman is focused upon at the moment of conception they will birth that material image
01:43:47.620
that's how i got on that show and then once we started talking about juliet bryant's case study
01:43:52.580
with jeffrey epstein i realized why he was into eugenics
01:43:56.740
why he had a certain again if you if you look out the age group he dealt with primarily it's the same
01:44:06.340
problem we're having with the phenomenon to where it's monitoring their fertility
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trying to self-replicate it's not just pleasure i'm trying to impregnate because a perfect pregnancy
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will birth perfect possession this is why again the gold standard of possession is not just when
01:44:24.260
within one or two you know scriptures unfortunately i mean we have malachi martin's theory
01:44:32.020
of perfect possession being literally where you go through different stages because it's fluid
01:44:37.220
right there's a spectrum the last stage the most complete possession is perfect possession
01:44:45.460
and that's when you have the software merging with the hardware so much
01:44:50.340
that for 25 30 years he's a deacon she's a sunny school teacher right or they're a physician
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out of nowhere the inhabitant within the parasite within the host manifests
01:45:03.060
and they go ballistic and do something evil so malachi martin's theory was that's perfect possession now
01:45:09.380
that's contrasted with um ruth montgomery's theory on possession which was walk-ins okay
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what we're dealing with there to me at least um is an entity not unlike his buddy wexner where it's
01:45:24.980
the entity within him that's using him to replicate his own consciousness into a new body and and i'm not
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saying he didn't obviously did bad things and a lot of it's for pleasure and he's a disgusting
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being that's all i'm saying what i'm saying is there is a eugenic aspect to this where they're monitoring
01:45:43.380
fertility and their victimology was all about that and so that's what i think they were referring to
01:45:50.180
well there are there are many individuals who uh willingly engage in this sort of um situation i
01:45:56.740
always say that there's a there are so dr jerry marzinski who we we cite often on this show will
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say that uh we all have schizophrenia you know it's just that the medical diagnosis is incorrect
01:46:09.540
and what you perceive as intrusive thoughts um is the same thing that a schizophrenic patient
01:46:16.020
perceives but at a much higher degree where eventually this thing becomes audible and and
01:46:20.740
visual and in some extreme circumstances um but just like there are degrees to that
01:46:28.340
there are also degrees to which people enter these uh covenants with these entities right and so some
01:46:35.060
people are doing things unwillingly giving over uh you know consent and permissions in in one
01:46:44.180
activity and another and another until they all mount and then next thing you know this person's
01:46:48.020
life is in the shitter because these things have so much access to them that their life is basically
01:46:53.940
spiraling out of control and if they don't identify the the actual core reason uh they might be you know
01:46:58.820
doomed um but then there are those who are knowingly engaging but they're knowingly engaging with
01:47:06.580
something that is deceiving them about its nature right so so uh spirit guide or uh you know you name
01:47:14.100
it whatever the thing is um uh david ike is a fascinating character but i do think he's he's
01:47:19.300
fundamentally misunderstood the thing that imparted a bunch of information on him back in the day uh
01:47:24.980
there's actually in his book he says that he went into basically a stroke and got a download and he
01:47:32.260
got this download and i do not doubt that he got this download um but he got it from ascended atlantean
01:47:38.420
masters which to me in my opinion is just another form wait a minute yeah yeah yeah you didn't know that
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yeah it's a it's a fascinating thing it's it comes up pretty often you can see that there are forms that
01:47:53.220
these entities like to take at any given time ascended masters is one of them atlantean said
01:47:57.780
instead of you know you name it uh oftentimes uh you know if you're familiar with buharage it's the
01:48:02.660
inead the egyptian inead um even even this this woman that the uh bledsoes are communicating with
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has identified itself as hathor which is you know an egyptian goddess um but also ishtar and and a
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multitude of other things damn it there it goes again i got to get that word out of my vocabulary
01:48:18.660
multitudes it's a great word dude um but you know it's identified itself to him as as you know it
01:48:26.100
goes by many names and so um but then there are those who i think actually have a very good idea
01:48:34.900
of the nature and identity of the thing that they're engaging with and so even if epstein was
01:48:43.060
was you know piloted for lack of a better term by something an intelligence external to himself
01:48:49.540
he seems to me to be a man who is so in the know and so immersed in all of this uh that i i doubt this
01:48:58.660
is um i doubt he thought it was a spirit guides you know what i mean i doubt he thought it was uh a
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benign maybe you know where people think it's um ancestor worship and that they're communing with
01:49:10.020
their deceased loved ones i think epstein probably had about the highest level of knowledge into the
01:49:16.980
nature of the thing that he was engaging with and consented to you know whatever this relationship
01:49:22.100
was i do want to say something about names because uh just a scripture that's been like bothering me
01:49:27.300
lately uh revelation 19 12 we're talking about jesus when he comes back what he looks like his eyes are
01:49:34.340
on fire he has crowns but he has a name on him it's a name inscribed on him that nobody else knows
01:49:41.140
and only he can read that's fascinating it's fascinating it's like so what does that mean like
01:49:45.220
you're you've seen it but like you just can't understand there's something very significant
01:49:49.700
about these names and that's why they continue to lie to us or rename themselves or obfuscate who
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they actually are but the sigils are a big tell right because that actually might be that blew my mind
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because that should not be happening and even then i mean the civilization so first of all i
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didn't coin the term civilization that was austin osmond spar so people can wait nathaniel thinks
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he's an intellectual no i'm just saying i'm using that term from that particular cultist but yeah that
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was a game changer for me even with an incubi literature because you should not have secretions
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and sigils at the same time if it's an incorporeal entity what you're looking at is an
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imprint embodied practitioner trying to transfer his consciousness by virtue of sigilization and
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secretion one facilitates the impregnate the pregnancy the other one philip philip facilitates
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the implantation of his consciousness so whatever we're dealing with again when people say okay yeah
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they're all spiritual kind of yeah they are but there's a physicality to them as well and there's this
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this this kind of dynamic that it blows my mind um but i think again that whatever we're dealing
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with the government is hiding at all yeah if we knew i mean i i just want to ask you because
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you know we're coming to a close in the show we're about to hit this two-hour mark and i just got
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to get your opinion specifically on we're going back to this narrative control um and it's very apparent
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to me that there's a bit of a tug of war happening and that tug of war has reached such a peak
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especially recently where uh i believe it was trump was you know i'm sorry i'm still fucking reeling
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from this whole the sigil under the skin thing and how like right up right in your face the bible is
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like this it's saying that the name is inscribed on jesus himself yeah and only he understands it
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it's like it's a it's a sigilization on him yeah well that it's the same principle it's the same
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principle but they didn't create it they didn't create the principle no no it's it's the perfect
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embodiment of this the same way that his birth is yeah similar to this idea of an like a you know a
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nephilim birth like we have like a human and then some sort of an entity yep it's the same exact thing
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and the same thing you see them attempt to do with simmer amos and temus and and nimrod and that you
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see them try to do this with osiris horus and and uh and so quick question are you having more uh
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we're here with one of planet fitness's black card members how are you feeling oh pretty wiped but i've
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it's march 13th 49 annual fee applies what's the correct word are you having more like uh
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friendly conversations or people open to this in the christian community or people that are in the
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ufo community oh secular versus christian yeah yeah i've been called an occultist by people who have
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absolutely no proof of evidence evidence they just didn't like me so he's an occultist he's a
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practitioner and blah blah blah blah um but i think it's kind of a little bit of both you know i mean
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especially when i had that conversation with ufologist it was like oh my god you know and
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they sought me out you know it's like okay like we got to compare notes and stuff about this but the
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government knows all this yeah and so what's been more difficult with me is uh the phenomenon pushing
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back on me now people want to ask me okay like what is the phenomenon to you because there's a
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hierarchy i understand that think of the phenomenon as a cryptic consciousness that facilitates the
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successful fulfillment of the ritual that's what i'm looking at a cryptic consciousness something out
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there that's almost anti-matter anti-life that it wants to replicate itself through others and that
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it conjures the conjurers and it's almost like a parasitic presence now i'm going to take this
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real quick and i'm going to go into this idea of the phenomenon uh kind of manipulating not just our
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perception but our instincts and you originally in the very beginning of the show you asked me about
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mold and different kinds of life forms that hijack uh yeah i would go and compare the
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phenomenon to taxa toxoplasma gandhi where it's a parasitic presence really uh that will hijack the
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neurology of a mouse and it will cause the mouse to now wait a second year i have i i have to tell
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you before you go any further i love cats no no this is different that's toxoplasmosis oh okay thank
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goodness because i love my cats and i recognize it's because i live where they pee all right well
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what it will do is it's called a neuroparasitology where it will hijack the neurology of the mouse and
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cause it to crave the urine of a cat ah the reason is because when we talked about the host of the
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parasite as it as with respect as it relates to the phenomenon in hauntology persicology we thought the
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first victim is one that's it that's what it's after it's not right it will take that person hijack
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them to get to the real host it's after same thing first thing it does is it convinces the mouse that
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the cat is no longer a predator the phenomenon begins to conjure the mouse why because if it can convince
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the mouse that the cat is not a predator then it will go to where the real host is and so it changes
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the neurology of that mouse to go to he gets eaten by the cat and now that parasite has a new host it's
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really truly been focused on the first thing it does is it removes the fear away takes it
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from that person that individual that mouse and now what we're looking at is the diversification method
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where i can say this that we can cut i don't know summarize or whatever you want to do buddies but uh
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here's the thing so the phenomenon diversifies itself and i've long mentioned this in my interviews
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where i would liken it on to what's called the iranian spider-tailed viper where what you have
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is this snake that realized that its main prey is a bird and so in order to eat the bird it has to
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present itself as something the bird wants to eat and so at the very tip of its tail there is the abdomen
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in legs if you will of a spider and what it'll do actually it's phenomenal oh it's unbelievable
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so what it will do is it will hide itself in a rock or something in shade it will begin to flip its tail
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back and forward right and then what happens this is what i'm talking about between form and function
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right and the diversification of this intelligence where the bird will look at the the the spider and
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think okay spiders play by spider rules that's an alien gray it's not going to sigilize me
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see and so it will dive bomb it will latch itself to that spider not realizing that that's a singular
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intelligence that's going to win that's going to send information from the tip of the tail to the
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head of the snake and before you know it you were convinced of form the true function starts to manifest
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to you that's what i think is happening that's why we have orbs projecting apparitions orbs projecting
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physiological constructs why because we have the ability to focus on form and mythologize that mask
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mythologize it we're here with one of planet fitness's black card members how are you feeling oh
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well another question here um so with the snake this is a great example but the information is only
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going to the head of that snake with this mythology the mythologizing that we're doing and the thing
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that we are seeing and going toward where is that information going is it going to one or or is do you
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think that there's like a hive mind how how are these things in a way in a hive mind so we can have the
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same species but a different status there's definitely an hierarchy there uh and my colleague
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steve and i have talked about this extensively where certain countermeasures will completely annihilate
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some of them you know like we we had friend john and h i discussions the other day and she's talking
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about using a camera right using a camera um a certain kind of camera and and i think that a
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lot of these countermeasures will work for certain entities but at the end of the day and this is still
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something we're looking at but depending on what they want to do they can send what are the
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big guys in and suspend a lot of these rules and that's again that's why we're applying
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rules to the mask and then we start to entertain that and realize okay there's something beyond that
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that it's it's in communication with and they do share information this is why we had people like
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i think it was ted rice and a couple other people who were believing they were talking to their guides
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steve mayor told me the other day about a case study where for 26 years an individual
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thought that he was talking to his dead relative for 26 years and someone convinced him ask him
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like these questions like you've got to push back on them you know like what if it's not your brother
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and then finally he pushed back on this guide and the guide was like yeah i'm not your brother at all
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because i don't know these answers so for 26 years right my point though is it's not just that pathology
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being represented we have cases where the guides are in fact practitioners the remote viewer
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so there again that's the that's the spider and the snake the spider is the manipulated alter ego of the
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snake that's the form that we're attracted to meanwhile the function manifests so that's what we're
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looking at now and i'm not saying i'm 100 right i have theories and uh i do appreciate you guys
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having me on and dealing with my stupid no that's actually never happened 400 of my shows
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that happened to me before it's the worst disgusting when you drink and you're like
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something gets stuck um yeah all right then so we won't keep you any longer i guess the the final
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question that i that i want to ask you is one that we've kind of become uh keen on asking our guests
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because we find ourselves talking to people who are you know they're they're um deep into it they're
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deep into it and they're dumping a disproportionate amount of effort and man hours and research into these
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really uh fantastic concepts and ideas uh nathaniel gillison in all of your work these days uh you know
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and on the cusp of disclosure and and in the wake of the epstein files etc you name it are you having fun
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not really i mean i um i there are days i'm going to get out of the field there's at least two or
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three days out of the week where i just want to call it quits and leave wow yeah the personalities in
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the field the pushing of the narratives um the dogma over the data the the amount of the phenomenon
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that pushes back against me you know there's some days where i just i disconnect from everybody and i
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hide and just in the darkness just i don't know listen to podcasts or something but i mean the fun
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so you gotta stay on the origin story in my life in my career you know i was haunted by the phenomenon
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at a young age and so at eight years old and so a lot of this is is me trying to understand what i
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encountered and at least add value to everyone else's pilgrimage because i've talked to people
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who are 60 years old but when you really get down to it they're still that eight year old boy or that
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seven year old girl that they they may be an executive they may be a ceo they may be a pastor
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but deeply within them there are there are it's trapped trauma if you will let me ask you this
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daniel do you find any because i'm very similar i have a lot of this as well and and i do believe
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that this same phenomenon is what drove my my grandmother who was much more of a mother figure to
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me to a very early grave um and i wonder i find this to be quite satisfying in this particular
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way and i wonder if you do too in your research and you're exposing this phenomenon it is almost like
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kicking the phenomenon in the dick and i wonder do you find any satisfaction in that
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i do i enjoy a little bit of kicking uh and then the thing is is the kicking is the podcasting part
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right of actually getting on here and releasing the research well the pushback comes from and i've had
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this happen of rituals performed on me without my knowledge to where i have to go to the er because
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i have a cardiac event and then somebody will say we only had a car that's the secular then the sacred
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comes along and then i get kicked and they're like well you should have even suffered that if god loved
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you or if your relationship was right or and it's just like so i get it from like both sides so i'm kind
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of an outlier and i am very much a loner um and so it's something that i have had to live with my whole
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life to where it's being alienated from both sides a lot of times where you know it's it's stuck within
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the veggie tales version of demonology and it's not really written in you know data i love veggie tales
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i grew up on an odyssey all right come on oh no bob where's my hairbrush let's go version of
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demonology is a is a great uh something needs to be done with that i think there's there's something
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good there i'll tell you what i'm a big adventures and odyssey guy man i grew up on that as a kid so
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that's it's a whole different thing um but that's where i'm at i mean fun for me is watching a good
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college football game and eating a bowl full of chicken wings that's pretty much amazing
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uh but what happens with me guys not to be very transparent with you is that i will get fresh
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revelation or some insight and then i'll bounce it off some of my sources that are either in the
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occult or in parapsychology i have to have those connections because i have to confirm it i can't
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just think i believe um and but then i go and release the data and then if it's not um a stake being
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built for my burning then it's somebody in you know in the secular world who's like well we don't
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like you because of this so at the end of the day it's fun kicking back but between the phenomenon i
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i mean guys i've had um experiencers be threatened for me like i've had a person that that was one of
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dr carla turner's experiencers that worked with him for a long time just out of nowhere is blowing
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me up but saying a fangling entity told me about your name last night told me not to even mention
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your name told me not to even look at your research and i haven't had an encounter like that in 20 years and
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so what i'm saying here is that i have to gain enough revelation to the to add to the conversation
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but anytime i do the phenomenon cease and so then i have to back up retract disconnect and hope that
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nothing happens and so it's troubling well brother you're always welcome here any of your
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revelation revelations are always welcome here yeah i'd like i also like to say hey like we're not
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we're not digging as deep uh as you are we're not at the intellectual level and have the same
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connections but there's certainly a price to pay yeah for uh anything you do in life and when you're
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looking at something like this the price is going to be heavy and it has gotten heavy for for everybody
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me and david are just uh we we're retarded and so we we laugh in the face of i guess
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adversity or the things that are coming against us and trust me it's all the time but you know what
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like in in my mind i go it doesn't it doesn't matter i i have to do a thing and i'm gonna do that thing and
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i'm going to be attacked whether i like it or not we're on we're on a set path we're doing a thing
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i could smile and i could have fun and laugh about it or i could be sad and fearful and i just choose
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not to be fearful it helps when you when you you know like if you do a thing like you dress up
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sometimes every once in a while like maybe uh your favorite character from a fictional movie like a
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indiana jones or something and and you you you do something comedic to express that and it really
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is cathartic in very many ways and um you need to have an outlet i mean you know if chicken wings in
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a football game is cathartic for you but that really is it like you need to have some other
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outlet because you stare into the abyss if that's your only avenue your only mode
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it's gonna suck dude it's gonna suck but but we have um i mean we're blessed to have uh comedy as
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an outlet which is tremendous we're blessed to have nathaniel gillis as a guy that does this because
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there's a heavy price for everybody listening yeah everyone listening that you're getting this
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information this is not like just free shit this is heavy it comes at a price it comes at a price
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and thank you for thank you for coming and delivering this to us yeah brother always a good time man we
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love you man yeah i'm glad that we got this done too uh it was uh it was an important episode and i
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think it's going to help a lot of people so uh he's suffering over there let's get your plugs on
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right yeah where can they find him please guys go go follow his stuff so that way we can
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so paris symposia.com you know you can be a paid member you can be a free member you
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we're going to be uploading a lot of free stuff for people as well um and then of course we're
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going to be uploading some other things to my youtube channel we're going to have all the nh
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discussions on there eventually a lot of my most of my interviews if not all of them which obviously
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it's not my ip it's theirs so i'll just be linking all the interviews i've been on for like the youtube
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channels for everybody to follow them as well um but yeah man thank you guys for having me on the
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thing is man like if if people don't agree okay like take the meat spit out the bones but this this is
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a lot of in-depth research that i didn't come to because i was predisposed to it right it wasn't some
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kind of conviction i came to it because i i was i was wanting to be data driven and that's really
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what i have but thank you guys i appreciate it thank you brother thank you man you you've done uh
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you've done us a service guys heavy day yeah until next time uh don't forget to obey submit and comply
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