Nephilim Death Squad - Necronetics Part 2 w⧸ Nathaniel Gillis

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00:02:40.720 uh we are welcoming back to the show nathaniel gillis nathaniel thank you for joining us before

00:02:45.880 we get into it let's talk a little bit about where people can find your work and what it is that you

00:02:50.400 focus on so i have compiled and i'm going to compile all of my interviews and my own lectures

00:02:57.500 on a website called parasymposia.com and uh people have been asking me for years to compile them and

00:03:05.400 place them in one location so that they can actually binge watch it binge watch it so that's where i'm at

00:03:10.660 now my research is a field that i'm creating called necronetics that is centered around the

00:03:16.960 self-replication of an occult species that i believe is here and so my hypothesis is that

00:03:24.320 possession to us is pregnancy to them that's why people confuse demons and bodies and demons and

00:03:29.080 spirits and we'll get into that and that answers the question how can they replicate and so that's

00:03:35.660 primarily where i'm at and that's primarily what i'm researching and it's phenomenal to be back with

00:03:41.120 you gentlemen thank you for the invitation i i kind of want to start with something that we were

00:03:45.800 talking about right before we started the show and this was we were getting onto this idea of

00:03:50.080 we say abductee or experience or testimony and uh within the body of research especially pointing

00:03:56.760 towards disclosure abductee or experience or testimony is incredibly important because i think that

00:04:01.480 it's one thing to speculate from the outside but it's another thing entirely to have actually

00:04:05.180 experienced this thing um but you brought up a very important point and you were kind of discussing

00:04:10.440 this idea that an entity or this phenomenon might um put you in a hypnotic state which is often the

00:04:19.320 case right in in in testimony this is something a theme that pops up often but then from that point

00:04:25.040 would present to you either an experience or present to you a dialogue that informs you of its nature

00:04:32.020 or anything like that which is incredibly lofty and hard to trust it's a bit of information that is

00:04:37.540 important but it's important to also highlight that in its nature being in this hypnotic state you're

00:04:43.760 open you're susceptible to believing any number of things suggestibility suggestibility including a

00:04:49.300 deception if that's what's levied against you can you talk a little bit about that absolutely that is

00:04:54.280 the pathology of the phenomenon i'm reminded of a case study that dr carla turner had where an

00:05:00.440 individual was having a cookout at her home her neighbors are over they're cooking burgers they got the

00:05:06.640 swimming pool out it's a phenomenal time across the street above one of the homes manifested

00:05:13.400 a uap a ufo and her testimony to dr turner was for 45 minutes i and my friends and neighbors are

00:05:23.600 passing around the binoculars and staring at this object above the home and she's like for 45 minutes

00:05:32.960 we're observing this object she goes i remember that i even got my telescope out and now we're looking

00:05:39.580 through my telescope at this object and we could not believe our eyes and it was as real as real could

00:05:46.600 possibly be and dr turner was confounded then what's the issue she said i do not own binoculars

00:05:53.800 wait what yes she said i woke up the next day and i realized i don't even own binoculars number one and

00:06:02.200 number two the telescope that we have been using to look at this object was still in the box it was

00:06:08.500 shipped in a month ago so you combine you compile that you combine that with dr barry fitzgerald and

00:06:17.020 steve mara's research regarding the ce5 experience we have a significant issue with the way we perceive

00:06:24.080 the phenomenon so getting back to their research they were looking at various case studies where

00:06:30.320 this intelligence has the ability to manipulate our perception of it so they had this individual say

00:06:37.180 okay she was a practitioner of the ce5 protocols they had placed a it's called a uh headset it's a headset

00:06:46.560 that monitors her brain with brainwave activity they took her out there in the middle of this field

00:06:53.240 and they said okay go through your protocols we want you to make a connection of consciousness with

00:07:00.560 this intelligence and sure enough she successfully conjures the phenomenon or dare i say because this is

00:07:07.060 my theory the phenomenon successfully conjures her and out of nowhere she's seeing these light

00:07:14.180 manifestations of overhead oh my goodness that's the best thing i've ever seen as she's focusing her

00:07:19.940 attention on the light phenomena they're focusing their attention on her brainwave activity and within

00:07:25.460 a period of 20 seconds the phenomenon had induced her into theta brain by that brainwave activity that's

00:07:32.980 that's your trance level that's your dream state and what we're realizing is that by that time

00:07:41.700 a lot of our perception of this intelligence is being manipulated to where the phenomenon is not just

00:07:47.780 manifesting to us it's manifesting through us and we have the ability on or disability i guess we simply

00:07:56.180 do not understand what's going on and so that is pathology most often witnessed in demonology

00:08:04.020 to where people again i've had cases like that for less decade now where people are induced to do a

00:08:09.060 dreamlike state i thought it was my husband till i realized after the event my husband's been next to

00:08:15.300 me the entire time in bed asleep how it's commandeering our consciousness and not just that but there is an

00:08:23.940 aspect of this intelligence that is seeking to be seen this is some very very dark stuff here because

00:08:30.500 it's like heavy intellectually it's like oh my god what do i do with this um but dr gary nolan's

00:08:36.100 researcher lately he's had a case study in france where a young boy is in the back seat of his car he's

00:08:43.300 looking up at the sky through a sunroof he sees a massive constructed craft his mother decides to

00:08:54.820 photograph it she photographs a small craft she captured on camera was completely antithetical to

00:09:04.100 what her son described as witnessing so not only is the phenomenon hijacking our perception of it

00:09:11.780 but it's possible i'm gonna say this and hope hope everybody understands what i'm saying it's

00:09:16.580 possible that we have mythologized the wrong image to where if the sun is witnessing something

00:09:26.500 in what he's witnessing is not really there it's actually a construct of the phenomenon then we have

00:09:33.780 to go back and say what do we truly know in terms of perception is there a better way to understand what

00:09:40.180 we're experiencing uh because where i'm at now is the phenomenon has the ability to diversify itself

00:09:47.060 so okay well one question how old was the sun i think he's about eight years old so you know i guess

00:09:55.780 by that age is my kids are familiar with the concept of ufos i just wonder if it's the chicken or the egg in

00:10:01.620 this case is the kid mythologizing this or is our technology deceiving us like you know that we have

00:10:09.940 a famously uh interesting feud with the podcast called blurry creatures but there's something true

00:10:15.220 about that whenever you uh capture some some paranormal phenomenon on on a camera you know

00:10:21.300 looking at four of them right here it comes out uh not quite the way you'd want to or there is some

00:10:26.900 interference because it's like you know these are the entities that gave us the technology so there's

00:10:31.140 a form of manipulation where they can't be captured on it now if this kid might already have manipulation

00:10:36.420 complete manipulation i mean here's the problem we're having with this intelligence it has the

00:10:40.740 ability to diversify itself now we first caught that behavioral pattern in parapsychology one of the

00:10:48.580 parapsychologists that came forward with that data was lloyd orbach and he said we have a problem he said

00:10:54.020 why what's going on he's like because we're investigating i'm a level haunting we keep

00:10:58.340 witnessing we keep seeing a uh an apparition of a white lady

00:11:07.540 and he's like we we just see it all the time and we thought to ourselves why don't we set up a camera

00:11:14.100 right to where we could hopefully capture this entity on on film and what happened was like right next to

00:11:20.740 each other they are actively seeing an apparition with their eyes but they're only capturing an orb

00:11:28.100 on camera and wherever that apparition went the orb was present and so the height the theory now is that

00:11:35.460 this intelligence has the ability to project physiological constructs into our mind and into

00:11:43.220 reality not just one both and we're trying to understand if that's an egregore a tulpa

00:11:51.380 or are we co-creating and i can get into the observer effect as well but the issue and this is what i mean

00:11:57.540 when i say that it's possible we're mythologizing this thing or mythologizing the mask is because for

00:12:03.860 about 30 to 50 years we had ghost hunters writing ghost stories about the lady in white not realizing that

00:12:11.220 soon we're going to have the technology that's actually going to sniff out that behavioral

00:12:15.700 pattern to where that's not an apparition right it's actually an orb and so then we get into orb

00:12:22.500 or ology and i hate all these ologies by the way uh but orb theory and that's some of the the latest

00:12:29.300 research my colleague steve and i have been doing is understanding their capabilities because we're

00:12:36.180 witnessing that particular manifestation all throughout the field all okay i want to go back

00:12:42.420 to something you mentioned uh a moment ago at the top of the show we're talking about um you know

00:12:48.180 these orbs and and groups of people witnessing them we're here with one of planet fitness's black

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00:13:21.460 it reminds me a great deal of uh steven greer's you know ce5 app now now the ce5 app is fascinating

00:13:29.780 because it utilizes what is effectively binaural beats and these are beats that you know some way

00:13:36.900 or another sync the hemispheres of the brain and allow the mind to i guess the way that i've come to

00:13:43.940 understand it adhere to it's almost like the brain is an antenna and it is tuning to a different frequency

00:13:49.540 and through this process it allows the brain to tune into a specific frequency that these entities can

00:13:54.100 utilize to present themselves why i just want to say before we go any further that uh this frequency

00:14:00.180 manipulation is seen and this is something nathaniel that i think is actually a much larger part of this

00:14:06.900 phenomenon than people are giving credit to uh you see the utilization of this you know method

00:14:13.460 in the mk ultra programs you see it in the monroe institute and in the gates programs right and these

00:14:18.740 are all sort of cousin programs that have to do with uh different states that the human mind can be

00:14:25.460 put into and of course the mk ultra program is famously doing this by way of trauma or drug-induced

00:14:31.060 states etc but we have an individual who's listened to this show who told us once upon a time that

00:14:36.980 they were messing around with beats and frequencies and hertz and realized that if they tuned their

00:14:42.740 beats or whatever it was to a specific uh frequency that it would result in uh sleep paralysis alien

00:14:51.780 abduction phenomenon the presence of orbs and even ultimately poltergeist activity in their home uh so

00:14:58.900 it's not lost on us at all that frequency seems to be at least in the technological aspect

00:15:04.100 a huge component to this phenomenon what i find interesting though is

00:15:08.820 is people have to engage with this if they do it on their own accord through drug usage altered states

00:15:17.300 um meditation which is i think a way to tune the the the antenna of the brain to a different frequency

00:15:24.580 uh binaural beats is a great way to do it technologically speaking but what i'm saying is

00:15:29.220 there's a number of modes that they have to try to use to achieve communication with these things but

00:15:35.060 then on the other hand these people at a barbecue are not in an altered state they're not utilizing

00:15:42.260 frequency-based technology they're not so is this just a matter in your research of if we hope to

00:15:50.340 communicate we have to do x y and z if they hope to communicate they can do whatever the hell they

00:15:55.940 want david just to clarify the binaural beat thing are two beats that are similar but the third that is

00:16:02.820 created is created in your mind because of how you're perceiving both of these beats so it does

00:16:07.860 go to what you're talking about with this uh this phenomenon where it's like how much of this are we

00:16:12.180 responsible for contributing to create right there's that that middle ground of imagination so to

00:16:18.100 co-create now we're getting into the observer effect where the phenomenon will seek to be seen

00:16:22.820 and then once you observe it for a certain amount of time you make that conscious connection

00:16:26.820 and what is actually there right has constructed another object another entity is what i'm basically

00:16:34.020 describing here and we as experiencers again co-creating that we'll go around mythologizing

00:16:40.980 the mask and not the actual intelligence projecting it does that make sense yeah so we have that we have

00:16:46.500 ghost hunters i mean ghost hunting bibles if you will not really but uh just textbooks and conferences

00:16:55.780 and the real issue is well okay maybe that's not really a ghost at all that's a physiological

00:17:00.420 construct created by this intelligence if that's the case we've mythologized the wrong thing

00:17:06.580 and the true aspect or the truer manifestation what steve mayor and i call the pre-archetype

00:17:13.540 is actually a lot of times these orbs now the question is what can these orbs

00:17:19.060 do what can they not do uh years ago i i would he'd still be friends but he passed away years ago

00:17:25.460 his name was dr michael lynch and he was a parapsychologist and he was discussing just his

00:17:30.980 orb encounters with me and uh this gets into a pair of physicality model are they physical are they not

00:17:38.740 right and there's like two camps in the field well this is really interesting uh he's like you know

00:17:44.020 nathaniel he goes i got bored one night and he's like my day off because i was just scrolling through

00:17:49.940 ebay and i discovered a a laser thermometer and he's like i knew i wanted to use that in my field

00:17:58.260 work he's like but i just i didn't know when or how he's like but i bought it anyway and he's like it

00:18:04.020 finally came in i was pretty excited he goes one night he goes i'm in an investigation he goes we were

00:18:10.180 in the home for 20 minutes before all of these orbs manifested and he's like we captured a lot of

00:18:16.420 data it was really wild stuff at the end of the night i'm putting all of my my equipment back into

00:18:21.700 my car and out of nowhere one of those orbs flies out of the house into an alley across the street

00:18:29.940 and he's like that's when i'm looking down at my equipment i realize that in my trunk staring right

00:18:34.580 at me is my laser thermometer he said so i'm starting to use that trying to hit it with the laser

00:18:43.620 he said to my utter astonishment the light hit it and it refracted off of the orb

00:18:51.700 he said that immediately after that the orb went right through a wall

00:18:57.060 so he's had he's had also he's had some really wild cases but he had one case where

00:19:01.860 uh there was a man and they were i think they were doing some investigation he's kind of a tough

00:19:07.700 guy he was former special forces and real tough individual but um he was picked up off of his feet

00:19:14.100 and it was hanging out against the wall and he said something is choking me something is choking me

00:19:19.300 well they didn't see anything choking them until they saw a ball of light go into his body cavity

00:19:27.380 up throughout his his his body up to his neck and then they saw a handprint manifest

00:19:34.260 over his neck you know steve maris had case studies where they've had what's called evps

00:19:41.700 manifest electronic voice phenomena well they have their voice recorders out and they'll go back and

00:19:46.660 they didn't see anything with the naked eye right but they'll go back and they'll hear voices that are

00:19:52.020 transplaced onto their equipment and then they will they will look at that and they will compare

00:19:58.500 and contrast that with their video footage so they didn't see a thing with their naked eye but at the

00:20:04.420 moment the transplacement of audio occurred one of those orbs was hovering directly over the equipment

00:20:12.420 so whatever we're dealing with is not just in hauntology it's not just in parapsychology we're also

00:20:19.700 seeing that in ufology as well before chris bledsoe encountered the white lady there's the apparition

00:20:26.500 he was he was absorbed by a ball of light hovering directly over him so whatever these pre-archetypes

00:20:35.300 pre-manifestations are we're seeing them everywhere in the field and they have the ability to become

00:20:42.180 anthropomorphic what do i mean by that i mean that they can literally sound and look human

00:20:47.700 you know dr barry taff had a case study in the san pedro haunting in california jackie hernan does

00:20:54.340 where they're following these basketball volleyball sized orbs they have them on film it's absolutely

00:21:01.140 incredible research but um they they're finally cornering one of these objects right one of these

00:21:08.020 uaps if you will right in a room and uh out of nowhere it started to fire off these electronic

00:21:15.700 signatures and out of nowhere all of a sudden it goes collapses itself into an apparition of a man

00:21:22.900 that was moving and when it did it looked right at dr taff and all of his assistants there hit the floor

00:21:30.100 they all fainted oh and so what we're looking at again is and i'm going to i'm working on a theory now of

00:21:37.540 what i do believe we're dealing with in some of these cases uh but whatever they are we're seeing

00:21:45.220 them even before uaps manifest and i i've had i have i've had about maybe five or six different

00:21:51.220 photographs of that taking place where i have uh one minister him and his wife were taking a vacation in

00:21:57.540 tennessee they uh they see this secluded lake and it's breathtaking they had to go out take a picture of

00:22:04.180 it they take a photograph of with their phone and they see the structured craft and it's a metallic

00:22:12.660 object okay what they saw this is getting really weird what they saw with their eyes were orbs

00:22:20.500 what they captured on with the camera was a craft so we're seeing it just it's how fluid it is it's

00:22:26.820 really freaky stuff my point though is whatever these objects are they're they're just being discovered

00:22:33.300 everywhere in the field and that i don't think that's an accident so it seems to me then what's

00:22:41.140 more important than the form that a thing takes is its nature um it's function yeah you know that uh

00:22:49.620 i'm gonna go ahead and and reveal to the audience that i've been using that that phrase a lot uh uh

00:22:54.660 the function of a thing is more important than the form uh that actually comes from god of war and

00:22:58.660 i'm gonna go ahead and reveal that right now and i'm very sorry to the audience who's gonna make money

00:23:01.860 funny for that but so two things about that we're doing ourselves a disservice in my estimation by

00:23:11.540 having these talking heads come out every so many years and uh rebrand a thing it's no longer a ufo

00:23:19.220 it's a uap it's no longer a alien it's a nhi a non-human uh intelligence or a a non-human biologics or

00:23:28.420 you name it it does we're here with one of planet fitness's black card members how are you feeling

00:23:34.260 oh pretty wiped but i've got my eye on the hydra massage beds it felt like a real team effort out

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00:24:06.820 of things nature and all it does is muddy the waters a bit further so within that spirit of understanding

00:24:13.060 a thing's nature um maybe we can talk about some of the elements and i don't want to bury the lead

00:24:19.540 because um you know i think that the the true nature of the thing is maybe the most important

00:24:24.820 aspect of this conversation i'd like to start off with uh finding out if you agree with something

00:24:30.580 and that's something is do you think that there is any aspect of these entities or this phenomenon

00:24:38.900 that seems to feed off of energetic exchanges so so within conspiracy we we call it loose um and within

00:24:47.540 sort of this if you want to shift the conversation to a more biblical demonic you know uh uh world view

00:24:54.020 then you might say that they they seem to benefit from our exertion of uh of sort of sadness low vibe

00:25:03.700 you might call it low vibrational anger you can call it worship like where we're where we're putting our

00:25:08.340 attention yeah yeah fear fear is another good one fear like these things if they seem to feed off

00:25:13.300 them is there anything in your research that gives that legs absolutely it's everywhere and that's uh

00:25:19.540 it's everywhere really so let me break that down um the research that steve mayor and i've been doing

00:25:25.060 lately kind of approaches the phenomenon almost like a program that operates within our environment and

00:25:31.700 we're just now starting to understand it so he's had cases where this intelligence would knock an object

00:25:39.220 off of a wall and you would actually feel the home shake oh my god what was that and then your adrenaline

00:25:46.980 shoots up there on the back of your neck stands up and you're freaking out they're wondering my god

00:25:51.620 we have an earthquake well they go and find the object that was that fell off the wall and they actually

00:25:56.740 run an experiment and it would barely make a noise when they did it what's it doing even within dr barry

00:26:04.500 tap's case with uh in the san pedro haunting um it was almost like they thought that the real victim

00:26:11.620 of this intelligence was jackie hernandez until they realized that this thing was was traveling traversing

00:26:18.100 across the street into other homes so and i'll take it a step further uh where the program it's almost like

00:26:26.100 it induces us to a dreamlike state but we have the ability now to see into the seams of the dream

00:26:33.380 enough to to flush out a pathology so let me give you a case study from my dear friend paul st clair

00:26:39.380 he's the probably in my mind the leading uh crypto zoologist in the world he's got a channel called truth

00:26:45.220 proof but anyways he has uh an area next to him where he lives in england called benton and they have all

00:26:53.540 kinds of of wolf man cases and manifestations there they had one case in that environment

00:27:00.100 it's fascinating in that area where three boys are running near a set of train tracks and they're

00:27:07.220 running and they see this bipedal creature emerge from the woods and immediately when they i lay eyes on

00:27:15.700 him they're petrified they're terrified and so they start running of course who wasn't they're running and

00:27:22.740 they're running they're out of breath well one of them happens to trip and fall and and finally

00:27:29.380 to his his utter astonishment here comes that entity and now it's towering directly over him

00:27:35.860 like he's about to wet himself oh my god he's about to kill me and he gets all the way up to the child's

00:27:42.180 face and disappears

00:27:43.940 we have cases uh same area of the of the world where um you have a bipedal creature that's barely

00:27:54.900 moving its legs but it's keeping up with the car that's driving 60 miles an hour

00:27:59.860 yep many cases why because that's a seam in the dream it's a glitch in the matrix what we're looking at

00:28:06.900 is this until it has this this desire to where it will co-create an experience with you terrify you

00:28:16.180 take the energy from you and then go use that towards its real victim it's what we in the field

00:28:23.140 we we never really considered especially in parapsychology was is it possible that we're looking at

00:28:29.540 the wrong victimology some people are not really victims of it it's like a program where it's like

00:28:36.900 okay i'll feed off of you and that you'll be a victim to an extent but i'm going to use all of

00:28:41.540 that energy to perform a ritual or to sigilize or to really manifest it in a family's house so there is

00:28:49.380 this programmed mechanism within the phenomenon i know steve told me many cases where

00:28:55.060 uh originally parapsychology poltergeist activity was deemed to be a mindless unguided process

00:29:04.500 well the phenomenon just does whatever right and that's not true uh we had one he had one case where

00:29:11.540 there was a i think it was a coke can or something on a kitchen table and it only moved at 11 or so

00:29:18.100 inches and then the next day it's still there right the phenomenon is that then it moves something else and

00:29:24.820 they go and look at that amount it was the same amount of inches so it had limitations and so

00:29:30.820 what we're looking at now is this does seem to be some kind of program when it wants to be and then

00:29:37.860 outside of that we're still looking at um what it's doing but that that is essentially what it does

00:29:44.100 it will induce you into a fear-like state steal all that energy and then go change it

00:29:49.380 and actually use it to to uh to do something else

00:29:54.820 within the confines of a program and its limits where in your research does the idea of consent

00:30:03.220 uh come up on this show the more we look at this the more we find that there's a set of permissions

00:30:09.940 that are given at any moment whether it be by way of interacting with this phenomenon or um i think a

00:30:16.820 great example is how the bible puts generational iniquity um for my own experiences i i find that

00:30:24.820 my my grandmother dabbled in some things that uh you know maybe she shouldn't have been dabbling in

00:30:30.900 and what that did was it seemed to have given this phenomenon a set of uh accesses to you know my

00:30:38.900 my entire family um but i'm looking at this you know not strictly but predominantly through this

00:30:44.900 christian world lens i wonder through this more analytical lens are you finding that that that

00:30:50.580 consent uh or that that set of permissions is consistent across your research just to make

00:30:55.540 this question a little lighter this is something like this is obviously this is a conspiracy show

00:30:59.620 where we do a lot of uh fact finding but we also do comedy and uh you often find a lot of truth in

00:31:06.660 that but this is one of the designs that i made uh for a t-shirt and it's called top lops is dog

00:31:11.940 man and it says the dog man exists in a quantum super state both disemboweling you and not existing

00:31:17.140 depending on whether or not you look at it um that's actually super it's a joke but it's very

00:31:23.540 insightful given the context right i got this from putting away my chickens i have like a couple of

00:31:28.980 acres and i would put them away and then i turn around and there'd be this back gated area and very

00:31:34.260 wild like into a lake and i turn around and you can feel this on your neck yeah and i go not going to

00:31:40.100 turn around because if you do then you invite this invitation like it's an invitation or no it's

00:31:45.380 you're giving whatever this thing is power but this does not exist if i don't turn around and if i

00:31:50.180 definitely if i don't run so i walk and all my guts are still inside me i find that when you run the

00:31:56.660 the fear becomes exponentially worse yeah well you're feeding it right yeah yeah yeah i yeah so what we're

00:32:03.300 looking at here is a unique insight into way this this phenomenon works so let me say this so if you

00:32:11.060 watch the mothman prophecies there's a unique conversation between john klein and indrid cold

00:32:18.580 and john klein is asking anything and everything he can to this entity you know who are you what are

00:32:24.020 you where are you from and then finally he lands on a question indrid cold is willing to answer

00:32:29.140 that's what do you look like we're here with one of planet fitness's black card members how are you

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00:33:01.940 and indian cold's response was well it depends on who's looking oh

00:33:08.340 this is back to the observer effect this is why the phenomenon seeks to be seen now let's get back to

00:33:12.740 consent consent is belief and 90 of the time it's belief in the image that's what we're told don't

00:33:18.820 believe in the image that's why we work that's why the phenomenon projects form deceives us with the

00:33:23.780 form and then in the sting of the tail as the actual function and so getting back to the seeking

00:33:30.180 to be seen and what do you look like it depends on who's looking i i had a case one time it's a

00:33:34.900 fascinating conversation with this individual she was um an abductee from her youth and she said that when

00:33:40.180 the phenomenon would take her where these entities would take her because i do believe they're entities

00:33:43.860 as well uh that they would manifest to her in her room as her favorite cartoon characters why

00:33:49.460 what do they look like well it depends on who's looking at them and so within this framework she

00:33:57.300 is realizing that yeah you're my you're my favorite cartoon characters you're my favorite comic book

00:34:02.820 characters and she's like and they took her they monitored her monitored her fertility all kinds of weird

00:34:09.380 stuff but one day she's like she just realized that they had not kidnapped her in a long time

00:34:15.860 and so two or three years go by and now she's considerably taller right much more mature she

00:34:23.940 doesn't even watch those cartoons anymore doesn't read those comic books and because a lot of the

00:34:30.180 phenomenon is programmed right they manifest to her in her room as those cartoons again and it didn't

00:34:38.580 make sense to me she said nathanael it never made sense to me she goes because i'm looking at this

00:34:43.300 little creature and it's projecting into my mind it's co-creating by the way but let's just use that

00:34:49.380 term loosely projecting into my mind and image and she's like but i realized really quick like no you're

00:34:57.060 not who you appear to be and she said i stopped believing in the form it took and that's when the

00:35:07.380 there was again a seam in the dream where the entity's eyes grew it began to stare into her eyes and

00:35:15.700 they begin to move like this back and forth and after a while and this is what i call the learning

00:35:22.580 matrix it was trying to improvise an image and it couldn't and then they disappeared so android cold

00:35:30.900 what do you look like it depends on who's looking this is why we have again at least from my perspective

00:35:38.500 the observer effect playing a role in this i mean dr turner had tons and tons of cases in her career

00:35:44.820 where people would see the same ufo in the sky but they could not agree on what it looked like

00:35:50.420 now something was there same thing with the case study with uh with gary nolan something was there

00:35:55.860 but by the time it is observed it has collapsed itself into something else therefore it's diversifying

00:36:06.180 its identity in our eyes and we have a thousand different descriptions for what may very well be

00:36:13.380 a singular intelligence that we're just now starting to understand and this is why this is why we're

00:36:20.260 running into this uh this federal government aspect of framing the narrative of what this is

00:36:28.020 at the very same time that disclosure disclosure is uh is eminent so yeah that we we kind of like

00:36:35.380 banged our heads against the wall like why why now why pick a a target why well i mean not just to make

00:36:42.020 it about us but it happened to us why pick us why frame it in a specific way we're using the trust

00:36:46.900 the science method and i it makes me wonder what will happen when the vast majority of people not

00:36:56.820 only believe in aliens or these whatever we want to call it whatever they're going to disclose and name

00:37:02.740 them what's going to happen to the power of these things to act physically here because i a great example

00:37:11.140 would be just a whatever we go to war with iran and uh you know there's videos of trump saying

00:37:16.740 we never do that and then we did it and then his his followers go they go oh yeah he never said that

00:37:23.300 whatever you know it's like so there's a cognitive dissonance that is it's it's belief they have

00:37:28.260 believed the narrative and they believed it's really what it is man um i'll tell you what i do not

00:37:36.340 i take very little of what's coming from the government seriously these days case in point when i went and

00:37:43.140 and thought i had an idea of ufology in america or at least globally and i went to lecture in the uk

00:37:47.940 with people who were yeah they were like no like we know that's most of your technology here we're

00:37:52.660 your allies you know militarily and yeah we know that's a lot of your technology i'm like no way

00:37:58.580 they're like yeah i mean let's let's look at this real quick steve mirror for the last like five years

00:38:03.380 at one point he had been lecturing and showing a video of a balloon and asking you know the people

00:38:10.020 that were there watching you know is this a uap or ufo like okay and then at the end of the day

00:38:14.500 it's like no no this is the this is the united states technology it's actually a balloon and he

00:38:18.180 explains the origin and all that well um i talked along and to the stars academy took that and went

00:38:25.060 out and said that's an actual uap it's an actual ufo right and everybody here in the states were like

00:38:31.300 well if they said it that's it no they retracted that video once they were called out

00:38:36.980 and so there isn't enough well elizondo did something very similar where he presented

00:38:42.100 bunk images as definitive proof of ufos it turned out that it was actually just two images in a crop

00:38:48.980 field that were adjacent to one another that looked like something in the sky casting a shadow on the

00:38:53.620 ground but this is now the authority figure that we're supposed to look to on uap disclosure you're

00:38:59.700 exactly right and what we're seeing right now within ufology is there is an undercurrent

00:39:05.300 of occultism that's trying that they're desperately trying to hide i mean their wits in to hide

00:39:13.620 and uh we can get into that in a second but again even with the changing of these terms right okay it's

00:39:20.660 not they're not it's extraterrestrial we know they're extraterrestrial and um i don't believe we

00:39:26.580 know that at all i mean i can even go to a prophecy given to by one of the main occultists as to when

00:39:32.820 and why this terminology would change yeah i you know what why are occultists knowing more about the

00:39:40.020 phenomenon than we do i'll tell you why it's because there's a war for information and there are two

00:39:47.540 warring factions within the government now i know researchers all across the world that they're

00:39:52.420 suffering from the same demise where secretly right they know for sure this has everything to

00:39:58.660 do with the gold entities but their government is saying it's extraterrestrial meanwhile they're

00:40:04.660 building entire group think tanks and they're calling it occult science from project start as long

00:40:13.220 as we can repackage it we can get away without actually having to acknowledge the origin and because

00:40:21.140 then we have to have a head knowledge and if i don't even know how the topic is and know the subject matter

00:40:26.500 then if i just call it extraterrestrial i'm not responsible for the intellectual conversation

00:40:32.980 can i call this this is this is um this is fascinating because i want to get your second

00:40:40.740 nathaniel sorry to interrupt can you tap your microphone okay so sorry select your uh oh that's

00:40:48.740 what's been going on you're talking through your laptop microphone i'm i'm sorry we'll edit this part

00:40:52.900 out oh this little brief moment here this that's why when he touches the desk or something it makes

00:40:58.180 all that noise yeah yes it's not selecting your your your actual uh microphone um while you do that

00:41:04.260 sound really good though he did sound really good i didn't think that there was anything wrong there

00:41:07.700 it's just that uh that mike's picking up your notes so um two things number one you you use this

00:41:15.380 terminology co-creating a lot which i think is a fascinating terminology to use we have a friend of the

00:41:21.460 show ed mabry who says that human beings are co-creator alongside god so it's fascinating that

00:41:28.260 it seems like something is hijacking that aspect of of our nature um and speaking of co-creating i would

00:41:35.860 say that hollywood and the uh nazi pioneered space program nasa have been co-creating the mask as as you've

00:41:44.740 been putting it that we would become accustomed with uh you know here in 2026 as we approach disclosure

00:41:50.100 whatever form that's going to take or whatever that's going to happen aliens have have been co-created

00:41:54.900 uh by those two four mentioned uh programs and you mentioned new age sort of occultists and thought

00:42:01.300 leaders i have two and this can springboard us into this conversation um ah there's it's still doing

00:42:07.540 the damn thing i don't know what it is it's all right though maybe just uh you know we'll avoid uh

00:42:12.420 whatever the heck that noise was so alistair crowley is one of them uh we had a bunch of notes on

00:42:16.980 them but i'm just going to skip ahead that uh crowley says future generations would contact these

00:42:21.940 entities through technology rather than ritual and i think that's important because we talked i don't

00:42:26.500 know if it was on the show or if it was pre-show i think it was on the show this idea that these things

00:42:31.700 were previously um communicated with by way of ritual or drug use or a multitude of these there it

00:42:39.540 is i use that word too much a combination of these things um but ultimately leading to channeling

00:42:44.980 channeling you know meditative processes drug induced meditation and this is how you channel

00:42:49.780 them but um that we would eventually do that through technology which i would say is a frequency based

00:42:54.500 technology because it seems to be where they exist and then we have manly p hall um so in the t in

00:43:00.500 the secret teachings of all ages he claimed that ancient civilizations received advanced knowledge

00:43:04.500 from what they interpreted it's interesting because interpreted is maybe a really important word here

00:43:09.460 as gods angels or divine teachers and um he says that post the year 2000 that these this ancient

00:43:18.180 knowledge would re-emerge and it kind of points to like a biblical as the days of noah um you know

00:43:23.540 it's just something i tossed in there but uh it would re-emerge and ancient teachers or gods or angels would

00:43:30.820 be accepted as cosmic intelligences and you're right nathaniel there is no shortage of new age occultist thought

00:43:39.300 leaders pointing to this time as when these things were going to be introduced to us and yet the

00:43:45.700 authorities on the on the matter would have us believe that these things are extraterrestrial

00:43:50.420 do you do you believe at all uh that this extraterrestrial narrative uh you know space

00:43:56.340 entities has any bearing in the conversation i if you can hear me can you hear me we're good yes

00:44:03.060 okay so i do think it has a bearing in the conversation because it was prophesied by a famous

00:44:07.300 occultist by the name of kenneth grant and i'm going to highlight this and underscore it at the

00:44:11.540 very end of this because i'm going to tie it into the fact that there are practitioners among us

00:44:15.700 embodied that the phenomenon is actually seeding with technology and so in a way it's conjuring them

00:44:24.020 we'll get to that in a second so i'm going to read a quote and show you what we're dealing

00:44:28.100 with kenneth grant from his book outside the circles of time some believe that the ufo phenomena

00:44:34.340 are a part of the miracle an amounting mass of evidence seems to suggest that mysterious entities

00:44:41.140 have been located within the earth's ambiance for countless centuries in that more and more people

00:44:47.300 are being born with the ability to see or in some ways see their presence here we go prayer for deific

00:44:56.020 intervention in ancient times has now become a cry from the heart to extraterrestrial

00:45:01.780 or interdimensional entities according to whether the manifestations are viewed as occurring within

00:45:08.420 man's consciousness or outside again are we co-creating it and we're dealing with the mask or outside of

00:45:15.460 himself and it is apparently objective but often invisible entities now art and this is a key pathology

00:45:20.180 here the new isis lodge has in its archives the sigils of some of these entities why would aliens have

00:45:27.540 sigils and why is he educating on this right for us why is he educating us on this the sigils come

00:45:35.380 from a grimoire of unknown origin which forms a part of the dark kabbalah located by magicians in the

00:45:42.900 tunnel of caliphate hmm oops yeah why is that why is that a problem is because we're finding sigils on

00:45:51.460 experiences in the same sigil sorry is this too deep too quick buddy no no this is great but uh i i just

00:46:02.740 don't want to repeat information from like the lat maybe the last time you were on we we interviewed

00:46:06.500 a guy named citizen d oh yeah yeah no this is worth repeating uh we're here with one of planet fitness's

00:46:12.820 black card members how are you feeling oh pretty wiped but i've got my eye on the hydra massage beds

00:46:18.660 it felt like a real team effort out there oh bringing a guest to every workout game changer any

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00:46:39.220 and he is a dude in the uk and he said he's involved with doing crop circles so he said about 80 to

00:46:49.140 i don't know 80 of the crop circles that people do see are man-made and i said well where do you come

00:46:54.260 up with the designs turns out they're downloads i said that's very interesting i showed him uh some of

00:47:02.580 like some of solomon's sigils like where from the lesser keys of solomon yeah from the lesser keys of

00:47:08.180 solomon and i i i didn't scroll to the top where the title was so i just said do you recognize any of

00:47:14.100 these and he goes yeah that one and that one and that one and i put that one in a field and i'm

00:47:18.980 like that's really interesting and uh then then he told us that he was having poltergeist phenomenon

00:47:24.020 he couldn't explain why he also told us that after he put one of these symbols in a field

00:47:28.020 that um a local coven of witches approached him and thanked him for doing it because they had been

00:47:34.260 up all night uh doing these prayers and seances for something like this to be shown to them and

00:47:40.820 then it happened in an adjacent field next to where they were doing this so this is the thing that

00:47:45.060 everybody hopes to separate right now which is why when you said that you know i kind of i i was a

00:47:50.980 little bit like not maybe i appeared overwhelmed it's a mild bit of frustration it's not necessarily

00:47:56.900 that it's heavy i agree that it is heavy but it's frustrating because it's to me glaringly obvious

00:48:03.540 and what you just highlighted is another drop in the bucket and the bucket has a label on it that says

00:48:08.820 it's obvious dummy and right now i've been showing that bucket to all kinds of people we had it out with

00:48:15.460 with you know timothy alvarino and all these other characters who there's a interesting

00:48:20.820 phenomenon that's taking place you want to talk about a phenomenon a narrative and that's what it

00:48:25.220 is it's it's controlling a narrative and it's happening right now and i think it's crunch time

00:48:30.260 because i think that disclosure will be happening maybe more uh soon than we previously thought we've

00:48:35.460 always kind of thought it was going to happen i think we might actually be there and they're trying

00:48:39.460 to do this damage control in this narrative control and i'm trying to say the overlap and maybe it's

00:48:46.100 not even overlap it might it might be one to one between what people identify as demonic encounters

00:48:52.500 and what people identify as alien encounters are they're virtually the same thing and instead this

00:49:00.420 this narrative and opposition is you know risen up to counter this and it says if you think aliens

00:49:06.660 are demons you're an idiot albeit it's reductive and we are stupid and we are stupid and it's it's not

00:49:12.980 quite that clean cut right to say that aliens are demons you would say well what do you mean by that

00:49:17.700 and that's a fair question but to label people who have noticed the overwhelming amount of patterns

00:49:23.220 that overlap with one another between demonic encounters and alien encounters to label those

00:49:27.620 people as idiots is i think it's frustrating it's very frustrating it's not just frustrating it is

00:49:33.460 it's malicious and i think that it is more so um the result of not a genuine opinion but a narrative

00:49:41.380 that hopes to control the public's opinion as we go forward and that to me is is is unforgivable and

00:49:46.900 so just listening to you you know lay some of these things out yeah man it's it's frustrating

00:49:51.220 it's frustrating to hear this because it seems very obvious well it's again it you i tell you what's

00:49:56.980 frustrating for me is knowing that there are good people that feel like that or or believe that that

00:50:04.660 you know not the radiates or anything but that and i had conversations with them afterwards it was like

00:50:10.180 what's going on like i don't know you know i don't like i don't know any of these guys really i don't

00:50:14.820 man and i but it frustrates me when i talk to pastors and i'm like what do you mean am i an idiot

00:50:20.100 nathana i'm like no you know but let's get back to this because i think we're going to really pile on

00:50:26.180 some evidence here that is germane to the conversation you know when we're getting back

00:50:31.860 to civilization in its activity with alien entities dr carlick turner had a case study

00:50:38.980 where this took place where uh and i i was in common contact with the the son of the experiencer but

00:50:47.700 the mother is a contactee and she's working with dr turner and um you know and one night she goes to

00:50:54.180 sleep on her couch and uh the son and the husband are watching a movie or something and out of the

00:51:00.660 corner of their eye they see what's called a biofield a translucent cloud of balls of light

00:51:07.780 and they're moo it's moving silently into the living room and it descends slowly down upon the sleeping

00:51:14.980 mother now here's where we get into form versus function 30 or 40 minutes later she wakes up and

00:51:23.140 she says i saw form i saw an alien but her body had sigils from head to toe let me take it a step further

00:51:36.820 okay so the collins elite which by the way were not simpletons and they weren't just fundamentalists they

00:51:42.100 were physicists okay chuck missler was rumored to be one of them if not a consultant of them

00:51:49.140 right so there's a hierarchy here of research and researchers in that field and the collins elite

00:51:56.660 had realized that um there was actually uh richard gottlieb i believe it was had a a program called

00:52:05.700 project often and his job was he was going around and he was actually investigating crop circles in

00:52:12.260 england and what they had discovered according to final events okay according to their research was

00:52:18.580 that there was an energy signature and a molecular anomaly in some of these crop circles

00:52:26.820 and that after performing again performing successful rituals in those areas two separate areas that they

00:52:39.060 had they had determined that the same electronic signature and energy signature was discovered

00:52:45.460 after the performance of a successful ritual that they discovered in in the real crop circles take that data set

00:52:53.780 aside i personally know people who have investigated created fabricated crop circles in england

00:53:03.220 and they've had the same energy signatures guys they had the same anomalies we're talking about

00:53:09.700 batteries dying right we're talking about where the clusters within the soil are stuck together

00:53:16.580 so what we're looking at seems to be a relationship of sigilization why is it acting like that

00:53:24.180 because you're changing the molecular structure by virtue of ritual so my point here though is that

00:53:30.340 there is some kind of sigilization occurring on experiencers now i had a remote viewer that i had

00:53:36.260 worked with who uh was going in and out of his body he believed he was meeting his guides and again that's

00:53:42.580 just another archetype that's a form yeah here comes the function and uh after one session of of of uh

00:53:50.900 whatever he was doing remote view i could think it was that's what he said but uh he goes back into

00:53:55.460 his body and he he sees that like he's he's having a massive heart attack and his son told me and no

00:54:02.100 uncertain terms this incredible case he said as they're working on my father to save his life from

00:54:07.780 underneath the surface of his skin were sigils i have photographic evidence of this they were

00:54:15.380 subdermal scarifications that were sigils from underneath the skin so what we've got to do and

00:54:21.860 i'm not just saying you and i'm not just you know whatever but in general we've got to get rid of form

00:54:26.100 and start looking at function because we should not have aliens sigilizing experiencers just like we

00:54:32.580 should not have marjorie marjorie cameron right the contemporary and basically the uh the female

00:54:42.500 companion to crowley and parsons we should not have her performing a ritual and seeing a ufo

00:54:50.180 we should not have an alien entertainment mr blue manifesting at the successful result of a seance

00:54:58.900 in the skull experiment but we are why is that and so that's the kind of research i and my colleagues

00:55:06.660 are what was the name of that experiment called it's called the skull experiment it was in skull england

00:55:12.180 um but what we're looking at here guys is there there does seem to be a hierarchy

00:55:18.740 and whatever they're doing is they're manipulating forms so that they can they can give us the function

00:55:24.900 i i wonder what you'd make of um so are you familiar with rudolph steiner

00:55:33.380 so that that idea um and i've i've i've brought this up on recent episodes and i've prefaced it

00:55:38.580 with like you know steiner has some fascinating ideas he thinks that the archangel michael won a great

00:55:42.980 battle uh in the heavens and casted down you know the the the losing spiritual demonic entities in like

00:55:50.900 1870 um so you know i have difficulty placing that but still he claims that this was the case and that um

00:56:02.100 these entities were cast down to the human realm and it would later be redefined as enlightening

00:56:08.580 progressive and scientific rather than demons and uh that mankind would eventually be entirely

00:56:16.260 deceived by these entities and he looked to our current era as the era in which the deception

00:56:22.660 would be fully accepted so that kind of insinuates that there would be it would be an elongated process

00:56:28.260 and i've been speculating that that process might include what we talked about earlier um as far as

00:56:34.500 like the propaganda machine in hollywood and and you know the the space program etc um being part of this

00:56:41.300 this great big deception um we're here with one of planet fitness's black card members how are you

00:56:47.620 feeling oh pretty wiped but i've got my eye on the hydra massage beds it felt like a real team effort

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00:57:08.500 enrollment than 29.99 a month deal ends march 13th 49 annual fee applies what do you what do you make

00:57:16.260 of that because i i have trouble like i said placing it just because it's it's such a strange claim uh 1870

00:57:22.420 the year 1870 and but i mean it seems to be on par with what we're experiencing right now

00:57:28.980 well i think that we're being propagandized not just by hollywood but by the federal government because

00:57:35.140 i know this for a fact they're performing rituals in the darkness in order to conjure these entities

00:57:40.180 so that you could get technology yeah i mean even okay let me pack this in and just really

00:57:45.380 hopefully solidify this theory um but years and years ago i think it's about 40 years ago um

00:57:52.100 well who now is an aerospace ceo richard banderick said he was contracted out by the federal government

00:57:58.580 he's a whistleblower now but he said and we were going to gifting fields

00:58:01.700 and he said somehow the government knew where the phenomenon was gifting us nano technology or meta

00:58:10.180 materials and he said so here i am out there in this field with a handful of other people

00:58:17.300 and we go right to the very location we were sent to like here are the coordinates there we are he's

00:58:23.380 like in the the meta materials we were collecting always blended in with its environment

00:58:31.860 that's form here comes the function he's like but whenever we would actually get it in our hands

00:58:38.900 if that meta material was not designed for us this blew my mind gentlemen

00:58:46.020 oh my god he goes and he goes i'm holding it in my hand and within 10 seconds it devolves into a dust and

00:58:55.460 falls out of my hand

00:58:59.060 when ryan bledzo says that tim taylor asked his father are you merlin he's not said again we're

00:59:07.460 being told one thing but we're not capturing the implication he's not saying are you that same

00:59:14.340 wizard no merlin is a quantifier merlin was a title it's a descriptor are you a practitioner

00:59:25.460 because here's the meta material

00:59:29.460 and why you why you let me break this down and go back to biblical antiquity

00:59:37.300 in the eyes of a dying father there but the dying fire in the eyes of a dying fire there was a man

00:59:43.060 who's stoking it and he gets a download into his mind and he says okay i am being told to go out

00:59:51.140 there into the darkness because there's meta material out there there's some kind of metal i've been

00:59:57.700 given and i am being told to carve the name of an unclean spirit into that metal and then i'm going to

01:00:05.140 implant that i thought that was ufo no it's not i'm going to implant that object into a corpse

01:00:14.740 underneath its tongue and now the phenomenon will hijack and commandeer that cadaver and i'm

01:00:21.140 interfacing with it now is that necromancy or is that technology it's both but it's technology

01:00:29.060 tailored and designed for occultists for practitioners now now we got to deal with

01:00:36.820 this idea of okay are they actually again i'm not applying these performing rituals out there

01:00:42.500 i'm suggesting our federal government is looking for a practitioner that will that the phenomenon

01:00:49.940 wants to work with this technology and so i believe they 100 went to chris blood so and said okay

01:00:57.060 is it you they're looking for we know they're looking for somebody right because again you have

01:01:02.980 the technology and you have the conjurer you have to have them both for this to work

01:01:08.180 and so what they realize is we have the technology but we cannot work it so we've got to go find the

01:01:15.060 conjurer it it's meant to be with this is why this is why they're sigilizing rockets when they

01:01:21.460 send them out into space why who's sigilizing them an occultist

01:01:28.740 and so this is all tied intertwined together and it leads me to believe that this is again in

01:01:36.500 necronetics that what we're dealing with on this planet is an embodied species of occultists

01:01:43.300 and this is why in psalms david said that those who worship them will become like them

01:01:47.940 you actually take on the characteristics of the phenomenon you're conjuring

01:01:54.100 this gets i don't know i'm rambling here but i'm just riffing off of necronetics but i think that

01:01:59.780 this is a lot deeper and a lot darker i i know a person um who was a secularist got into ufology

01:02:09.300 because they wanted to you know encounter entities and research the extraterrestrial

01:02:15.220 they lectured at a conference okay with big name researchers and then after the conference went to

01:02:22.180 one of their homes and the first thing that they were they witnessed was an altar they had built to

01:02:27.780 these entities in their closet shattered their worldview because we're being fed a narrative of

01:02:34.420 extraterrestrial presence but it also wants to be worshipped once alters built in its name

01:02:41.300 and is operating within occult science nathaniel what what do you make of this search for uh

01:02:49.140 the merlin for the this uh person that's embodying a certain something what happens when that is it

01:02:56.420 a genetic thing or is it a yeah for sure let's go there let's go there guys we just had heidi love on

01:03:02.900 and we're talking about you know the mormon mountain of of dna and that rabbit hole um but

01:03:08.980 it for sure is what what do you think happens though we're here with one of planet fitness's

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01:03:40.100 applies uh i think there's two things going on here so again i've had to kind of deconstruct

01:03:48.180 everything i thought i knew about this stuff you know um so with gary nolan's research what we

01:03:54.020 realized was that just because the experience is tailored for you or to you doesn't mean it's

01:03:59.700 tailored for you so you know like originally so okay i experienced the paranormal oh my god i'm

01:04:04.980 being haunted okay what gary nolan did is sat down with experiencers and said okay you're you're uh

01:04:11.060 you're first generation right like okay yeah all right so you ever experienced the paranormal sure so

01:04:16.500 they did brain scans on the first experiencer and he had a brain anomaly on it's incredible okay he

01:04:24.660 had an anomaly on his brain scan okay it's on the kudat punaman area of the brain and so then

01:04:32.660 the second generation comes along and again we're dealing with various uh various generations

01:04:39.060 of experiencers the second generation because yeah i i matter of fact it's weird you mention that

01:04:44.100 i experience the same thing you know and it follows me everywhere so they do another brain scan

01:04:49.540 on number two it's on junior right same brain scan anomaly what's going on same part of the brain

01:04:57.700 what is going on here the third generation comes over they do a brain scan on him but in the interview

01:05:04.580 they said have you ever experienced the finale absolutely not i don't know what you're even talking

01:05:09.220 about i don't believe in it never experienced anything like that but they had the same

01:05:13.380 brain scan anomaly so just because what we're literally looking at is that a phenomenon will

01:05:18.580 hijack the bloodline by virtue of manifestation so it's tailored to us but it could actually be

01:05:26.900 bioengineering and hijacking the bloodline to where further down in another generation it'll show

01:05:32.660 up to the actual person it's waiting for i've had cases like that does make it sense yes yeah well

01:05:40.740 you know what's fascinating about that is they they say that um schizophrenia which now i i understand

01:05:46.260 is a totally different phenomenon than what uh the medical industry calls it but it has this ability to

01:05:52.260 you know they used to think that it skipped a generation and now they're not too sure that

01:05:55.220 was the science the cutting edge science in like the early 2000s was that uh schizophrenia has this

01:05:59.860 tendency to skip a generation now they're saying that's not the case it only goes through some process that

01:06:06.260 appear to skip a generation but you know they're they identified what i think is a spiritual um

01:06:14.100 disposition as a medical one that is hereditary in nature that has some aspect that makes it look

01:06:20.100 like it skips a generation when that's not truly what's happening it's a latency thing it is like

01:06:25.300 something waiting and and you know looking for the right uh you know i suppose person in the lineage to

01:06:31.540 interact with absolutely right tailored to us but not really for us and so then that when i learned

01:06:38.020 that it kind of concerned me because i'm like oh my god i had to throw all kinds of theories out of

01:06:42.420 them get out of here let's look at the data here um but i mean i've had cases where that something like

01:06:48.340 that occurred where um you know i had one instance where a husband gets to me and he's like you know

01:06:55.140 nathaniel he's wigging out he's really losing it's like oh my god i don't know what to do i'm like why

01:06:58.500 is that there's something haunting my wife i mean it's really after my wife nathaniel he's like i came

01:07:04.260 home from work one day and my wife is paralyzed in bed and she says i don't understand what it is but

01:07:11.220 it's hovering directly over me right now just eye to eye and uh i said well do you have someone in the

01:07:20.500 occult in your bloodline why that's where the phenomenon began yeah it's searching for the

01:07:27.780 other one down the bloodline and he's like well i'm gonna talk to my wife about it so about a month

01:07:32.820 later he's like i don't think we we have anything like that going on i said well check again and get

01:07:37.380 back to me they went through the bloodline and absolutely they had a practice at the occult

01:07:43.060 and what it is again is the phenomenon will claim the bloodline itself and then traverse through it

01:07:48.180 and that's one thing it replicates as and through okay so i'm going to go through some of the pillars

01:07:55.220 of necromatics so this intelligence replicates by implantation and impregnation implantation and

01:08:02.820 impregnation so a lot of people within demonology they they don't understand that this is both spiritual

01:08:09.140 and physical so you mean that there's pregnancy and possession the same cases absolutely matter of

01:08:17.140 fact if you look back through what's called the debut phenomenon in the 16th century you had people

01:08:23.220 women who were being possessed by entities that had accosted them in their dreams said wake up the next

01:08:30.900 day they would have a different language preference they would have different experiences bouncing around

01:08:36.580 in their minds and i remember when i was doing this 100 years ago really really freaky stuff

01:08:41.220 um but soon after that they started to have physical symptoms of pregnancy and i mentioned this in

01:08:49.300 times past this is found in this book i'm not going to make too much of a noise here

01:08:56.020 all right spirit possession in judaism cases in context from the middle ages to present all right

01:09:03.300 in this particular book they talk about instances where the same women that were possessed by entities

01:09:10.340 were seemingly impregnated by them as well how does that happen right secondly they go to the the

01:09:19.620 rabbis and their exorcist and softy in the 16th century and they're presenting themselves they're like

01:09:25.140 you know i'm having a lot of weird symptoms and i don't understand what's going on and so they went

01:09:29.460 through what's called the lavouche method which is a series of experiments and tests they came to the

01:09:34.900 start of the conclusion that you're not just pregnant by the entity but you're possessed by the entity that

01:09:41.940 impregnated you and then they thought about it and they said well wait a minute it's almost not that

01:09:49.380 you're pregnant by the entity that's because that's possessing you're you're you're pregnant with it

01:09:54.740 with it i would suggest that that is a ritual explain that i'll explain that is another occult

01:10:05.620 ritual and that's how this phenomenon is carrying its bloodline in our species we have cases i mean

01:10:12.260 this is fascinating even from the golden bow it's an anthropological book written by james fraser it's

01:10:16.900 called the red right and the red right is essentially what's a transfer of consciousness from one body to

01:10:23.060 another our own government's trying to do that through astral projecting and remote viewing

01:10:28.740 uh all right can i go a little bit deeper is this okay no yeah please it's funny this just came up

01:10:34.020 recently where somebody was talking about astral projecting and then finding that uh when they

01:10:38.980 were going around to certain locations they would approach government buildings and find that there

01:10:42.740 were other people suddenly in this astral realm and they seem to be like working like guarding the

01:10:48.020 the building they're doing shit yeah yeah like hey you can't really go back you said uh it's called

01:10:52.980 the d book uh the d book rich yeah so we were talking about less wexner obviously in the oh yeah in the

01:10:59.940 epstein files and he's you know notorious for having a d book put on him but so this phenomenon is not

01:11:06.580 explicit just to women it's not only for women this happens to men as well and it leads to god knows what

01:11:12.740 the species i'm looking at are specifically men this is why in the sexual pathology within

01:11:19.460 demonology was mainly women it was incubi entities that were manifesting two women in the images of

01:11:26.340 their husband and then inseminating them impregnating them yeah so the incubus is the d book they're one

01:11:33.380 in the same now let me explain this we realize again how did they impregnate how did they possess well

01:11:39.700 now we're now we're getting to to what's called the sexual pathology of the incubus so within the

01:11:45.060 incubus you have a term that was often employed by demonologists and that was the word larva larva

01:11:52.420 was described as the fetus or as the biological avatar they possessed that's what they impregnated the

01:12:00.340 women with now we get into the incubi literature from father shin and story of amino we have a problem

01:12:07.220 because how can a spirit by right an incorporeal entity secrete substances and carve sigils onto the

01:12:18.260 bodies of the victims that seems to be an embodied species of practitioner right in addition to that

01:12:27.940 sinistra i reckon the conclusion that we have another problem here because the secretions are being

01:12:33.540 accompanied by sigil magic here comes the sigils and so we're looking at again and i'm gonna i'm gonna

01:12:42.500 throw this out there the red right in the golden bow was further solidified by peter j carroll

01:12:49.380 in his book liber nol in the psychonaut okay he had this term okay and it was called fanateros

01:13:00.980 fanatos meaning death and eros meaning sex and what he did in the red right was that you create a bond

01:13:10.180 with the woman hello incubus you implant a fetus in her body there's your pregnancy and you possess that

01:13:20.100 new fetus as your biological avatar that's your possession of pregnancy incubus debug so what this

01:13:27.060 species does is it will hijack a male a male adept that adept will perform sigil magic on the victim

01:13:37.780 create again impregnate and then the entity within them will take on that child as their biological

01:13:44.580 avatar i believe 100 that's how it's self-replicating its own species so is it either or

01:13:52.100 no it's one can i break it down further this is making sense yeah no yeah okay this is why with

01:13:59.380 the witch event on this it gets back to t wake t witt and davies research where okay so we have

01:14:04.980 essentially we have the father and the son right the father is the body it creates the son in the womb

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01:14:42.580 commandeers the body of the sun and that sun carries on its legacy now in t witt and davie's

01:14:50.180 work professor esther amore's work they have this term with the witch of indor with an ancient

01:14:56.260 necromancy where it's called the ob ob ob and it's actually pronounced uv in hebrew but it's a canaanite

01:15:08.180 loan word and in canaanite in the canaanite language it meant father or revenant

01:15:16.420 we get the word uva abba this is wild stuff and so in nature necromancy what they believed is that

01:15:24.740 when you created the biological avatar of the entity that's returning you're actually creating the entity

01:15:31.540 itself they're not either or they're one in the same and so what they were doing is fascinating is they

01:15:37.860 had this term they had different definitions and so the first definition of the the uv was it's the

01:15:44.580 biological avatar of the entity uh-oh see where we're going the second term is that it is the

01:15:52.260 entity itself that's possessing the avatar making sense the third term was that the avatar itself was

01:16:02.580 a way that would amplify the communication it had in this dimension so what the phenomenon did through

01:16:11.060 hybridism is it took all three terms collapsed them into one and now we have the hybrid amongst those

01:16:17.860 it is the entity a trinity within and i that's not what i'm saying i'm not saying that's yeshua and all

01:16:23.460 them but what i am saying here is that that's what i believe they're doing through possession and

01:16:28.100 pregnancy and why people like les wexner yeah are saying i'm possessed by a d book why because

01:16:37.620 even even when it's as far to say that there are times when the hair on the back of his neck stands up

01:16:43.060 and he's basically being told to do something by the entity but i think that solves the mystery of how and

01:16:50.420 why the self-replication and that's my little rant on that so i apologize for the side no no that's

01:16:57.300 fantastic oh and benjamin actually posted a a video of lex wex well less wexner as he's being uh

01:17:02.820 deposed i suppose he's in a courtroom setting and they ask him a question and you can see at that very

01:17:08.820 moment it's like the hair on the back of his neck does stand up and he actually has to shake his head

01:17:14.020 to get it to like yeah he goes and then he answers a question but it was an uncomfortable question i was

01:17:19.220 like man that was that was a dude who had a physical tell of wanting to silence a voice in his head

01:17:23.780 yeah that's that's what i saw when i saw that um i want to ask you nathan about so we we've talked

01:17:29.540 about sort of what what you would call the spiritual aspect of it and obviously we've we've dabbled

01:17:34.100 around the physical aspect of the phenomenon interestingly enough when it came to our recent

01:17:38.100 debate uh we had you know timothy abarino said something fascinating i actually didn't expect him

01:17:44.020 to say this but he said that the abduction phenomenon is strictly physical which i uh disagree

01:17:49.780 with wholeheartedly and in fact within the body of data that is um non-definitive you know a lot

01:17:56.500 of it is anecdotal especially when we're talking about uh uh you know abductee testimony it is

01:18:01.380 overwhelming that the abductees or the experiencers will say something to the effect of sometimes it's

01:18:07.380 physical sometimes it seems to take place in an astral or a spiritual realm so i i reject that i don't

01:18:12.580 think that there's any basis for saying that this entire you know the entire phenomenon is strictly

01:18:16.820 physical when it comes to alien abductions but i do want to explore the physical aspect of it in

01:18:21.060 particular what you think about this new um pantheon of entities is about the best way that i can put it

01:18:28.260 so within this pantheon we have the tall grays the short grays we have the insectoids uh we have

01:18:35.220 reptilians we have um uh the the tall whites and i think that you would even categorize the way that the

01:18:42.580 woman as the bledsoes are describing falls into this kind of pleiadian or tall nord uh descriptive

01:18:49.060 and and even that is fascinating because we talked briefly for a moment about the iran versus israel

01:18:53.060 situation and it is worth noting that uh chris bledsoe's lady said that um there was going to be

01:18:59.940 a nuclear exchange by iran and israel and that it would be thwarted effectively uh by orbs and i'm not

01:19:06.980 saying that even that won't even come to pass i'm just saying if you do in fact see that come to pass

01:19:11.540 don't bet your bottom dollar that you understand the nature of it as chris bledsoe has described

01:19:15.780 it to you or the lady has described to chris bledsoe but um among this pantheon of entities

01:19:22.260 what do you suspect is happening here is this something that is once again the the phenomenon

01:19:27.300 presenting to us in whatever way we are likely going to accept at the moment or is this something

01:19:32.420 that's transcended that because it seems to have a real physicality to it in in many circumstances and

01:19:38.660 surely i would imagine they'd hope to parade something physical out to us at some point

01:19:43.940 what would you make of that physical thing i think we're dealing with what's called a

01:19:48.900 paraphysical model that john keel popularized in his books so if we're dealing with the spiritual

01:19:55.540 matter it's not just the reductionist lens of saying well it's just something we cannot see

01:20:00.500 no in many cases it's something we can't even touch even in seances we have cases where these entities and i

01:20:06.340 mean it happened often in england specifically where you would have a ball of light and you would

01:20:13.140 have it any that's slowly constructing itself out of it to the ability to be touched you can actually

01:20:20.820 touch them and so this is gets back into some of thomas aquinas research where it's the subtle spiritual

01:20:26.820 nature um but in terms of the taxonomy i don't believe any of those really exist let me say this when

01:20:34.100 people say that we have non-human biologics i would refer to peter lavenda with his conversation with

01:20:39.780 michael aquino when aquino told him well we have we we kind of threw that term out there because again

01:20:46.260 we on the outside at open resource research or open source which we didn't we don't know what that

01:20:51.380 means right we're thinking they actually have bodies no aquino told lavenda he goes no that was just a

01:20:58.340 what we mean by that is anything that returns on the craft from the local planet or from you know

01:21:04.980 the moon whatever that's a non-human biologic it's not ours it didn't come with us it's just something

01:21:12.900 that that accumulated on the craft when we're taking it home so we're hearing bodies that's not what

01:21:20.020 they're meaning not at all um and even i know and i know that people will question nick pope okay that's

01:21:26.740 fine but nick pope even recently about not recently but about a year ago said yeah we have bodies but

01:21:32.820 they're interdimensional they can be with us and without us at the same time they could be absent with

01:21:38.900 all that and what i mean by that is they could be physical until they're not

01:21:43.300 not yeah and that's what we know know of them to be throughout seances um and that that's really

01:21:50.740 where i'm at with it uh i could tell you this though the term spiritual has been debated for

01:21:56.020 thousands of years god is a spirit does that simply mean he's just invisible to us or is he a real

01:22:03.700 physical entity that's just invisible to us and so this gets back into some of the early philosophical

01:22:10.980 arguments uh but where i stand on and i i i simply do not believe in the reductionist lens of this

01:22:17.940 just being simply invisible entities it's not backed up by the data and it's not backed up by

01:22:24.900 what we know of the phenomenology behind this intelligence um now to the taxonomy i do not

01:22:31.700 believe these entities actually exist at least the grays all of that okay now the grays may actually be

01:22:37.940 uh and the meat suit theory does play a role in it but even within for those who like lou elizondo even

01:22:44.580 his own book he said the government let's take that theory for a second deconstruct it even our own

01:22:51.700 federal government when they did recover if we take that as you know the grain of sauce at k cool uh

01:22:57.940 even when they did uncover the bodies they realized that these beings had smooth brains and they could

01:23:02.980 have not constructed the craft they were even piloting so then then we get into the idea that even the

01:23:07.780 pilots were being piloted who's piloting the pilot and then we fall back into the original hybridization

01:23:15.460 model we all knew to be true which was that you have software and hardware when people say that spirits

01:23:22.500 are they are physical because even though we can't see them and that's the only issue it's not true

01:23:27.620 there's something piloting the pilot and that's just if we take lou's word at heart now if we don't

01:23:35.380 take that into consideration and we go to wakino's theory then we have no bodies whatsoever and we're

01:23:40.260 being manipulated by a government that wants to cover up its own technology and would rather pass off

01:23:46.260 their own stuff as extraterrestrial so as not to alarm our adversaries um but that's where i'm at with it

01:23:55.540 and when people try to define the spiritual as okay that's simply something we can't see that doesn't

01:24:00.500 follow the data at all i'm i'm thinking these days that uh in alignment with the idea that people

01:24:07.780 throughout history have been inspired you could say by some you know disembodied voice or some uh

01:24:14.980 stream of consciousness that they can tap into in order to get the information required to build

01:24:19.380 something a piece of technology or otherwise i i i do think that there's some legs to the idea that

01:24:25.700 mankind was commissioned in very many ways i mean if you look at the bell-shaped craft of the nazi

01:24:31.620 regime and how it bears resemblance to a vimana of the uh vedic belief system to me it seems likely

01:24:38.420 that these things are a continuation of that very same uh spirit let's say that the nazis had or that

01:24:45.460 anybody else had to try to create these things and that they were inspired by these you know these

01:24:50.020 entities that exist if spiritual is is too much for some people then within a certain frequency

01:24:55.860 actually seems to be pretty relevant to the conversation we're here with one of planet

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01:25:27.380 applies um and i said earlier that i think that the mk ultra aspect of this actually plays a much larger

01:25:36.980 role than a lot of people understand and i think that that's still um the techniques that mk ultra

01:25:44.100 would uh deploy against their victim you know meaning uh disassociation by trauma or by drug use

01:25:51.620 or any of these things or or a combination thereof these are techniques that i think they learn through

01:25:57.060 channeling i think they learn from these very same entities and so i think a lot of what people are

01:26:02.260 seeing in the abduction scenario is actually a shield or a front for the very same operation and i think it

01:26:09.380 utilizes technology that is also inspired by these same entities um and i think that maybe there is

01:26:16.660 room for these uh meat suits you know karen wilkinson has a fascinating testimony uh she's one of these

01:26:23.220 people who had this pregnancy confirmed by the doctors uh later on has another abduction where you know she

01:26:29.860 has i don't know if it's through regressive hypnosis or if she just has this ability to remember

01:26:33.780 you know much of her experience or at least what they would have her believe about her experience

01:26:38.260 um and then you know in this experience the baby is taken she goes back to the doctor and the doctor

01:26:42.500 says this is rather miraculous because not only do you have no signs of being pregnant you have no signs

01:26:46.580 of ever having been pregnant which is you know unheard of later on uh in karen's life she would be

01:26:52.340 introduced to what people have coined the black-eyed children phenomenon which is the result of uh

01:26:57.540 uh this rendition of the hybridization program um but in her experience she does recount seeing these

01:27:07.460 bodies discarded uh these these small grays as as non-functioning husks that she even she even

01:27:14.820 attributes a smell to them uh of of like sulfur and rotting flesh you know almost insinuating they don't

01:27:20.420 do much to clean these things but um you know is that what it looks like on the surface or is this

01:27:28.660 you know human being we we have a video that come out pretty often i saw one on twitter recently where

01:27:33.380 they are animating this uh almost 3d printed meat this chunk of meat and through some simple you know

01:27:41.700 electrical signals they're sending messages to this to contract muscle and to relax muscle and what this

01:27:48.100 does is it creates a crawling effect now this is what they're allowing us to see right and and you

01:27:52.340 imagine that at any given time the government is uh well beyond the threshold of what the public is

01:27:56.580 allowed to see so maybe then they have the ability to create something that they send uh you know maybe

01:28:03.620 slightly more complex electrical signal to or frequency to and it can carry out you know some some

01:28:08.420 rudimentary uh jobs like you know acting as this dummy go ahead oh yeah so this gets back again ties

01:28:16.660 into the occult at least from my perspective uh israel rigardi and franz barden both had a concept of

01:28:23.780 projecting your consciousness as uh as an alter ego and a lot of this ties into orbology where you can

01:28:34.100 actually and this is through rituals you could condense your consciousness into a ball of light

01:28:38.820 that will have its own electromagnetic signature

01:28:44.660 and not only that pull out another book for everybody okay gotta be very quiet because i don't

01:28:50.500 want to disturb you guys does this phenomenon take place uh in the astral projection

01:28:55.300 phenomenon like when people are it starts out as that okay demons and spirits of the land

01:29:01.780 put that up here for everybody in this book it deals with the sorcerer that had the ability to

01:29:07.780 project his consciousness into another location as an alter ego an alter yes to where again it

01:29:17.460 you'll interpret another form while he's determining that form's function oh my god so what that means

01:29:24.420 this was later uh further uh further identified and matured by franz barden wait wait so he is able

01:29:32.100 to determine the the form the alter ego someone else is able to inhabit well that's what i think is

01:29:40.340 happening too let's take it let's start with that foundation first and work off of that and so what this

01:29:45.060 individual was doing was projecting his consciousness into another room another area but he had the ability

01:29:51.460 to perceive what that alter ego was perceiving so it's a it's kind of splitting of two uh and the

01:29:59.140 problem is that when people saw the alter ego they didn't realize it was coming from him

01:30:05.700 right he had and this is this is called vaulting into a form by franz barden now what we're looking

01:30:12.740 at is our government trying to weaponize that same artifact and that same mechanism we've got joe

01:30:17.380 mcmonigal right joe mcmonigal he ran an experiment i think with with luozondo where they're trying to

01:30:24.340 remote view or project their consciousness into the jail cell of a terrorist now again what are we looking

01:30:31.060 at they manifested in that jail cell but what the person perceived as their projection or alter ego was

01:30:38.260 not what they really looked like so right and a lot of this begins as plasma balls or electromagnetic

01:30:47.060 signals this is why let me go back to this real quick and then we'll get into the kind of hybridism

01:30:51.860 aspect of it if we can um this is the phenomenon of sort of sentient intelligent plasmoids absolutely

01:30:59.700 absolutely and this is just this is my my my theory um so people can build a stake and burn me whatever you

01:31:06.580 want to i'm i'm cool uh but even with okay like let's go back in the 1970s the ussr uh they were really

01:31:15.460 liberal with their parapsychological research and so what they had is they had a series of experiments

01:31:21.940 dealing with astral projection and turning intention into matter using ritual to create intention and

01:31:29.780 to evolve that intention to affect the local environment around them by virtue of projection of

01:31:35.620 consciousness it's franz barden it's his robert guardi it's the whole whole aspect of it well what they

01:31:41.940 did is they had an individual said okay we're going to tie a we're going to tape an envelope

01:31:47.700 on your forehead and we're going to place a blank piece of photograph paper in the envelope we want

01:31:52.900 you to project your consciousness into that piece of paper and we want you to carve symbols into it from

01:32:01.220 left to right we want you to do it after a few experiments they finally found somebody that could

01:32:07.300 okay so then they in a controlled environment what they did is they said okay we're going to take it

01:32:12.100 a step further maybe 20 steps if you will and they removed the envelope from the individual's forehead

01:32:18.260 placed at 20 feet away or so and said okay go through the same protocol we're going to see if you can do the

01:32:24.740 same thing and sure enough something happened this ties back into sending the alter ego right this is

01:32:33.780 really fascinating stuff but what happens is through the ritual and after it was performed and everything

01:32:39.220 there was a biofield a capuscular cloud of light that had its own electromagnetic signature began to move

01:32:48.180 from the individual from her all the way over to the envelope across the room when that biofield or that

01:32:57.460 translucent cloud descended down hello dr turner's case study upon that envelope

01:33:05.380 yes it had carved symbols into it and so what i'm looking at now is are some of these cases of orbs

01:33:14.260 and even biosigilization which occurred on this individual dr color turner's case study where she's sleeping

01:33:20.900 doesn't realize it doesn't realize it but there is an entity or a person that's projecting an altered

01:33:26.260 ego of itself as the alien form right the function is being determined by the practitioner and so built within

01:33:35.300 that translucent cloud that's entering into the living room built into it is all of the sigils it's wanting to carve into

01:33:44.260 her body in what she perceives is crazy and what she's perceiving is alien yeah why because that's the

01:33:53.220 vaulting of the form that they're operating off of another question that begs is how much of this

01:33:59.460 phenomenon that's being perceived by anyone is is human and it's you know right i mean disembodied human uh

01:34:06.020 but still human nonetheless uh that's that's something that's huge i mean people talk about uh

01:34:11.700 astral projectors you know viewing their homes etc um within witchcraft yeah merkel talks about that

01:34:18.260 and within witchcraft this is a a common practice this is something that they do i was just watching

01:34:23.380 that netflix uh show with my wife and and um it's teaching them how to do this it seems to be teaching

01:34:30.820 them how to lucid dream but from the lucid dream state they can then exit that and and begin to

01:34:37.060 project in this actual reality i don't want to i don't want to sound like a heretic

01:34:40.660 go ahead here we go i guess i'll just explain my ideas um but the more i do this show and the more

01:34:46.180 i really think about this stuff even just like like what you mentioned about this uh incubus type

01:34:52.420 creature this this d book the tenants of it you have the father you have the son and then you have

01:35:00.340 the intention which is like the spirit of it i think that's that's the third tenant so i just mentioned

01:35:05.140 flippantly the trinity and this is like the trinity is a hard thing for us to wrap our heads around a lot of

01:35:10.020 christians don't even like it um because we don't understand it and i think we don't understand it

01:35:16.180 because this is not an ability inherent to human beings this is an ability that's probably inherent

01:35:20.900 to elohim or this these type of entities whatever they are and we know that elohim are the same

01:35:27.060 classification as god and jesus but what you're describing now uh kind of like blowing my brain here

01:35:32.580 a little bit uh you're describing just the resurrection of jesus christ as he comes back

01:35:38.820 they don't recognize him no yeah they they see him and and he's physical but he walks through walls

01:35:47.060 he's eating with them but he is something's not right about him he's talking to his best friends

01:35:52.100 for the last three years that he's walked with and right and taught and they don't recognize his face

01:35:57.460 he appears different to them but does now the bible doesn't specify does he appear different to each

01:36:02.420 person looking at them i don't think how could you know well like if i'm colorblind and that's orange to

01:36:07.700 me but it's blue to david and we're describing yeah that but that's always blue to david and that's

01:36:13.060 always blue to me you know what i mean so well it's you know what we know you know what's the same thing

01:36:16.660 is when you see an occultist who is finding um within their efforts to manipulate this reality

01:36:26.660 the purest sacrifice that they possibly can it's the same that this is what i mean and i don't mean

01:36:31.940 to uh people will get upset with that yeah yeah they're good they're going to get upset with it but

01:36:36.020 i don't i honestly don't even well you're talking about god's laws yeah these are and and and these

01:36:41.620 things um twisting it inverting it and bastardizing or just recreate yeah this is the way it is and this

01:36:48.020 is what they can do to manipulate it now i think there's certain power levels it seems like god

01:36:52.980 jesus christ the holy spirit gotta do it the best ultimate yeah they they have the ultimate power

01:36:56.980 level these other things might need energy or louche or worship to recreate to uh manifest and and do

01:37:04.420 these certain things but it just seems to me like the same principle it's it's am i am i off here

01:37:09.780 no i think they're inverting it though i mean what we're looking at here is a form and i want to say

01:37:15.220 this too it's not reincarnation what we're looking at by virtue of these rituals it's transmigration

01:37:20.420 guys this is why again that the word d book if you want to look at the definition

01:37:25.700 it's literally literally means the impregnation of the dead in the bodies of the living something is

01:37:31.780 returning and that's why that's why in necromancy they call him the uva why it's the revenant why he's

01:37:38.580 returning what it what and who is he returning through the avatars it's birthing the app the

01:37:46.980 social skin and demonology uh and i think that does i guess hopefully answer some questions i mean we can

01:37:54.340 go in any direction we want to now um but that's just pretty much where i'm at i believe a lot of

01:37:59.860 this ties back to these entities you know what then here here's a good um pivot if you want to bring this

01:38:06.420 up on stage top so so this was uh something i actually sent you on instagram we briefly talked

01:38:11.700 about it but this is from the release of the uh epstein files to the doj and this was a correspondence

01:38:18.020 between jeffrey epstein and lawrence krauss and what's happening here effectively is epstein is asking

01:38:24.420 he's outsourcing it appears a argument he's asking lawrence krauss to formulate an argument in the form of an

01:38:32.420 article to debunk claims and these claims are uh of three elements and it seems to me i could be

01:38:39.540 misinterpreting it but it seems to me that he wants to separate um correlation that individuals are

01:38:47.300 drawing between alien abductions um ghosts which given what we've talked with you about here today

01:38:55.140 um a ghost seems to be one of the many forms that the phenomenon will present to you at any given

01:39:02.020 time uh i would say it's a demonic entity and when i say demonic i mean something that is in opposition

01:39:07.460 uh to god and to mankind and maybe even seeks to have a parasitic relationship with human beings whether

01:39:14.820 that's for an energetic energetic exchange or otherwise so ghosts alien abductions and then the third

01:39:21.140 element is uh out of body experiences which is interesting it could be categorized as near-death

01:39:27.620 experiences it could be categorized as what you've described here uh you know leaving the physical

01:39:34.180 form manifesting uh or traveling in some sort of you know realm as a orb or something like that um astral

01:39:41.620 projection remote viewing this encompasses a lot of that out-of-body experiences anything that transcends

01:39:46.740 the physical form or leaves the physical form behind and um he'd like it to include some of the

01:39:52.980 criticisms that have been bought against these things to kind of dismiss them and he even goes

01:39:57.700 as far as saying um i'm not going to attribute your your name to the article so this is interesting

01:40:03.140 because epstein seems like a guy who is funding all sorts of research having to do with um

01:40:10.020 sort of parapsychology or psionics or psychic phenomenon you name it he's interested in it

01:40:17.300 um i find it fascinating that a guy like this would be outsourcing for this argument and in that way

01:40:25.700 it almost makes me go well if you couldn't formulate an argument yourself why would you want there to be

01:40:32.020 one and why outsource to another individual and try to separate these things that in in this discussion

01:40:38.900 alone that we're having seem to have so much overlap yeah so excuse me so he's interesting about

01:40:47.460 epstein and so years ago i did an interview about necronetics and i got an invitation to go on a david

01:40:55.460 ike show and i didn't know much about his work at that time we're here with one of planet fitness's

01:41:01.060 black card members how are you feeling oh pretty wiped but i've got my eye on the hydro massage beds

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01:41:27.460 but um we get down there they had just interviewed juliette bryan

01:41:36.020 and i didn't know who she was and so we get into this conversation and um he's like yeah he's like

01:41:43.860 i had juliette bryan on here the other day and she's going into some kind of ritualistic manifestation

01:41:50.180 that occurred with jeffrey epstein and i'm like oh that's weird as heck you know that's we're very very

01:41:56.100 strange according to her though that there was a time when they were copulating and out of nowhere

01:42:04.100 he shapeshifts so the argument's not is he a separate entity it's almost as if this gets back

01:42:12.900 into some of the pathology i had years and years ago where in the apocryphan of john in the nagamani

01:42:20.580 text i'm not saying it's scripture that's not but there is a sexual pathology present within

01:42:27.060 those case studies that we have throughout all of history even with this particular epstein event

01:42:34.420 where in that particular uh passage and uh long codex two of the uh apocryphan of john it says that

01:42:41.860 these beings took women of their choosing

01:42:47.700 and uh they stared into their eyes first they appeared as a lover a mate your classic incubus

01:42:54.660 architect and then

01:43:00.180 they said that after during copulation at the moment of conception this is a ritual they stared into the

01:43:08.100 eyes of their victims and at what one point what looked to be their husbands

01:43:15.780 turned into the image of the actual entity possessing them oh no and when you get back into that ritual it

01:43:25.860 was at what's called an abstractic tradition so the ritual and these occultists believed that whatever

01:43:34.180 image the woman is focused upon at the moment of conception they will birth that material image

01:43:40.980 through their womb as a biological avatar

01:43:47.620 that's how i got on that show and then once we started talking about juliet bryant's case study

01:43:52.580 with jeffrey epstein i realized why he was into eugenics

01:43:56.740 why he had a certain again if you if you look out the age group he dealt with primarily it's the same

01:44:06.340 problem we're having with the phenomenon to where it's monitoring their fertility

01:44:10.980 trying to self-replicate it's not just pleasure i'm trying to impregnate because a perfect pregnancy

01:44:18.500 will birth perfect possession this is why again the gold standard of possession is not just when

01:44:24.260 within one or two you know scriptures unfortunately i mean we have malachi martin's theory

01:44:32.020 of perfect possession being literally where you go through different stages because it's fluid

01:44:37.220 right there's a spectrum the last stage the most complete possession is perfect possession

01:44:45.460 and that's when you have the software merging with the hardware so much

01:44:50.340 that for 25 30 years he's a deacon she's a sunny school teacher right or they're a physician

01:44:56.900 out of nowhere the inhabitant within the parasite within the host manifests

01:45:03.060 and they go ballistic and do something evil so malachi martin's theory was that's perfect possession now

01:45:09.380 that's contrasted with um ruth montgomery's theory on possession which was walk-ins okay

01:45:16.180 what we're dealing with there to me at least um is an entity not unlike his buddy wexner where it's

01:45:24.980 the entity within him that's using him to replicate his own consciousness into a new body and and i'm not

01:45:32.740 saying he didn't obviously did bad things and a lot of it's for pleasure and he's a disgusting

01:45:37.220 being that's all i'm saying what i'm saying is there is a eugenic aspect to this where they're monitoring

01:45:43.380 fertility and their victimology was all about that and so that's what i think they were referring to

01:45:50.180 well there are there are many individuals who uh willingly engage in this sort of um situation i

01:45:56.740 always say that there's a there are so dr jerry marzinski who we we cite often on this show will

01:46:02.980 say that uh we all have schizophrenia you know it's just that the medical diagnosis is incorrect

01:46:09.540 and what you perceive as intrusive thoughts um is the same thing that a schizophrenic patient

01:46:16.020 perceives but at a much higher degree where eventually this thing becomes audible and and

01:46:20.740 visual and in some extreme circumstances um but just like there are degrees to that

01:46:28.340 there are also degrees to which people enter these uh covenants with these entities right and so some

01:46:35.060 people are doing things unwillingly giving over uh you know consent and permissions in in one

01:46:44.180 activity and another and another until they all mount and then next thing you know this person's

01:46:48.020 life is in the shitter because these things have so much access to them that their life is basically

01:46:53.940 spiraling out of control and if they don't identify the the actual core reason uh they might be you know

01:46:58.820 doomed um but then there are those who are knowingly engaging but they're knowingly engaging with

01:47:06.580 something that is deceiving them about its nature right so so uh spirit guide or uh you know you name

01:47:14.100 it whatever the thing is um uh david ike is a fascinating character but i do think he's he's

01:47:19.300 fundamentally misunderstood the thing that imparted a bunch of information on him back in the day uh

01:47:24.980 there's actually in his book he says that he went into basically a stroke and got a download and he

01:47:32.260 got this download and i do not doubt that he got this download um but he got it from ascended atlantean

01:47:38.420 masters which to me in my opinion is just another form wait a minute yeah yeah yeah you didn't know that

01:47:47.540 yeah it's a it's a fascinating thing it's it comes up pretty often you can see that there are forms that

01:47:53.220 these entities like to take at any given time ascended masters is one of them atlantean said

01:47:57.780 instead of you know you name it uh oftentimes uh you know if you're familiar with buharage it's the

01:48:02.660 inead the egyptian inead um even even this this woman that the uh bledsoes are communicating with

01:48:09.060 has identified itself as hathor which is you know an egyptian goddess um but also ishtar and and a

01:48:15.060 multitude of other things damn it there it goes again i got to get that word out of my vocabulary

01:48:18.660 multitudes it's a great word dude um but you know it's identified itself to him as as you know it

01:48:26.100 goes by many names and so um but then there are those who i think actually have a very good idea

01:48:34.900 of the nature and identity of the thing that they're engaging with and so even if epstein was

01:48:43.060 was you know piloted for lack of a better term by something an intelligence external to himself

01:48:49.540 he seems to me to be a man who is so in the know and so immersed in all of this uh that i i doubt this

01:48:58.660 is um i doubt he thought it was a spirit guides you know what i mean i doubt he thought it was uh a

01:49:04.420 benign maybe you know where people think it's um ancestor worship and that they're communing with

01:49:10.020 their deceased loved ones i think epstein probably had about the highest level of knowledge into the

01:49:16.980 nature of the thing that he was engaging with and consented to you know whatever this relationship

01:49:22.100 was i do want to say something about names because uh just a scripture that's been like bothering me

01:49:27.300 lately uh revelation 19 12 we're talking about jesus when he comes back what he looks like his eyes are

01:49:34.340 on fire he has crowns but he has a name on him it's a name inscribed on him that nobody else knows

01:49:41.140 and only he can read that's fascinating it's fascinating it's like so what does that mean like

01:49:45.220 you're you've seen it but like you just can't understand there's something very significant

01:49:49.700 about these names and that's why they continue to lie to us or rename themselves or obfuscate who

01:49:54.820 they actually are but the sigils are a big tell right because that actually might be that blew my mind

01:50:00.340 because that should not be happening and even then i mean the civilization so first of all i

01:50:06.340 didn't coin the term civilization that was austin osmond spar so people can wait nathaniel thinks

01:50:10.820 he's an intellectual no i'm just saying i'm using that term from that particular cultist but yeah that

01:50:16.420 was a game changer for me even with an incubi literature because you should not have secretions

01:50:20.260 and sigils at the same time if it's an incorporeal entity what you're looking at is an

01:50:25.780 imprint embodied practitioner trying to transfer his consciousness by virtue of sigilization and

01:50:30.580 secretion one facilitates the impregnate the pregnancy the other one philip philip facilitates

01:50:36.100 the implantation of his consciousness so whatever we're dealing with again when people say okay yeah

01:50:41.620 they're all spiritual kind of yeah they are but there's a physicality to them as well and there's this

01:50:48.020 this this kind of dynamic that it blows my mind um but i think again that whatever we're dealing

01:50:55.620 with the government is hiding at all yeah if we knew i mean i i just want to ask you because

01:51:03.220 you know we're coming to a close in the show we're about to hit this two-hour mark and i just got

01:51:06.740 to get your opinion specifically on we're going back to this narrative control um and it's very apparent

01:51:13.300 to me that there's a bit of a tug of war happening and that tug of war has reached such a peak

01:51:18.340 especially recently where uh i believe it was trump was you know i'm sorry i'm still fucking reeling

01:51:24.660 from this whole the sigil under the skin thing and how like right up right in your face the bible is

01:51:30.660 like this it's saying that the name is inscribed on jesus himself yeah and only he understands it

01:51:37.940 it's like it's a it's a sigilization on him yeah well that it's the same principle it's the same

01:51:44.420 principle but they didn't create it they didn't create the principle no no it's it's the perfect

01:51:49.380 embodiment of this the same way that his birth is yeah similar to this idea of an like a you know a

01:51:54.740 nephilim birth like we have like a human and then some sort of an entity yep it's the same exact thing

01:52:00.420 and the same thing you see them attempt to do with simmer amos and temus and and nimrod and that you

01:52:05.380 see them try to do this with osiris horus and and uh and so quick question are you having more uh

01:52:10.500 we're here with one of planet fitness's black card members how are you feeling oh pretty wiped but i've

01:52:16.980 got my eye on the hydra massage beds it felt like a real team effort out there oh bringing a guest to

01:52:21.860 every workout game changer any other perks you want to tell the nation about two big ones worldwide

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01:52:32.660 first month free with a pf lock card get started for one dollar enrollment then 29.99 a month deal

01:52:37.380 it's march 13th 49 annual fee applies what's the correct word are you having more like uh

01:52:45.700 friendly conversations or people open to this in the christian community or people that are in the

01:52:50.020 ufo community oh secular versus christian yeah yeah i've been called an occultist by people who have

01:52:57.940 absolutely no proof of evidence evidence they just didn't like me so he's an occultist he's a

01:53:02.100 practitioner and blah blah blah blah um but i think it's kind of a little bit of both you know i mean

01:53:08.900 especially when i had that conversation with ufologist it was like oh my god you know and

01:53:14.420 they sought me out you know it's like okay like we got to compare notes and stuff about this but the

01:53:19.700 government knows all this yeah and so what's been more difficult with me is uh the phenomenon pushing

01:53:26.740 back on me now people want to ask me okay like what is the phenomenon to you because there's a

01:53:31.380 hierarchy i understand that think of the phenomenon as a cryptic consciousness that facilitates the

01:53:36.340 successful fulfillment of the ritual that's what i'm looking at a cryptic consciousness something out

01:53:42.900 there that's almost anti-matter anti-life that it wants to replicate itself through others and that

01:53:50.500 it conjures the conjurers and it's almost like a parasitic presence now i'm going to take this

01:53:56.500 real quick and i'm going to go into this idea of the phenomenon uh kind of manipulating not just our

01:54:03.700 perception but our instincts and you originally in the very beginning of the show you asked me about

01:54:09.700 mold and different kinds of life forms that hijack uh yeah i would go and compare the

01:54:16.500 phenomenon to taxa toxoplasma gandhi where it's a parasitic presence really uh that will hijack the

01:54:26.420 neurology of a mouse and it will cause the mouse to now wait a second year i have i i have to tell

01:54:35.620 you before you go any further i love cats no no this is different that's toxoplasmosis oh okay thank

01:54:41.780 goodness because i love my cats and i recognize it's because i live where they pee all right well

01:54:49.140 what it will do is it's called a neuroparasitology where it will hijack the neurology of the mouse and

01:54:55.140 cause it to crave the urine of a cat ah the reason is because when we talked about the host of the

01:55:02.740 parasite as it as with respect as it relates to the phenomenon in hauntology persicology we thought the

01:55:09.220 first victim is one that's it that's what it's after it's not right it will take that person hijack

01:55:16.500 them to get to the real host it's after same thing first thing it does is it convinces the mouse that

01:55:24.820 the cat is no longer a predator the phenomenon begins to conjure the mouse why because if it can convince

01:55:35.220 the mouse that the cat is not a predator then it will go to where the real host is and so it changes

01:55:45.460 the neurology of that mouse to go to he gets eaten by the cat and now that parasite has a new host it's

01:55:55.140 really truly been focused on the first thing it does is it removes the fear away takes it

01:56:02.580 from that person that individual that mouse and now what we're looking at is the diversification method

01:56:13.140 where i can say this that we can cut i don't know summarize or whatever you want to do buddies but uh

01:56:19.140 here's the thing so the phenomenon diversifies itself and i've long mentioned this in my interviews

01:56:23.460 where i would liken it on to what's called the iranian spider-tailed viper where what you have

01:56:30.340 is this snake that realized that its main prey is a bird and so in order to eat the bird it has to

01:56:39.940 present itself as something the bird wants to eat and so at the very tip of its tail there is the abdomen

01:56:47.940 in legs if you will of a spider and what it'll do actually it's phenomenal oh it's unbelievable

01:56:57.140 so what it will do is it will hide itself in a rock or something in shade it will begin to flip its tail

01:57:04.500 back and forward right and then what happens this is what i'm talking about between form and function

01:57:09.860 right and the diversification of this intelligence where the bird will look at the the the spider and

01:57:18.740 think okay spiders play by spider rules that's an alien gray it's not going to sigilize me

01:57:25.940 see and so it will dive bomb it will latch itself to that spider not realizing that that's a singular

01:57:34.100 intelligence that's going to win that's going to send information from the tip of the tail to the

01:57:40.740 head of the snake and before you know it you were convinced of form the true function starts to manifest

01:57:48.180 to you that's what i think is happening that's why we have orbs projecting apparitions orbs projecting

01:57:55.700 physiological constructs why because we have the ability to focus on form and mythologize that mask

01:58:04.340 mythologize it we're here with one of planet fitness's black card members how are you feeling oh

01:58:10.340 pretty wiped but i've got my eye on the hydro massage beds it felt like a real team effort out there oh

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01:58:31.620 month deal ends march 13th 49 annual fee applies meanwhile the true intelligence is manipulating us

01:58:40.900 well another question here um so with the snake this is a great example but the information is only

01:58:47.460 going to the head of that snake with this mythology the mythologizing that we're doing and the thing

01:58:54.020 that we are seeing and going toward where is that information going is it going to one or or is do you

01:59:01.220 think that there's like a hive mind how how are these things in a way in a hive mind so we can have the

01:59:06.740 same species but a different status there's definitely an hierarchy there uh and my colleague

01:59:12.660 steve and i have talked about this extensively where certain countermeasures will completely annihilate

01:59:19.620 some of them you know like we we had friend john and h i discussions the other day and she's talking

01:59:24.420 about using a camera right using a camera um a certain kind of camera and and i think that a

01:59:30.820 lot of these countermeasures will work for certain entities but at the end of the day and this is still

01:59:38.980 something we're looking at but depending on what they want to do they can send what are the

01:59:45.540 big guys in and suspend a lot of these rules and that's again that's why we're applying

01:59:53.220 rules to the mask and then we start to entertain that and realize okay there's something beyond that

01:59:58.260 that it's it's in communication with and they do share information this is why we had people like

02:00:05.380 i think it was ted rice and a couple other people who were believing they were talking to their guides

02:00:10.580 steve mayor told me the other day about a case study where for 26 years an individual

02:00:15.300 thought that he was talking to his dead relative for 26 years and someone convinced him ask him

02:00:21.700 like these questions like you've got to push back on them you know like what if it's not your brother

02:00:26.820 and then finally he pushed back on this guide and the guide was like yeah i'm not your brother at all

02:00:32.420 because i don't know these answers so for 26 years right my point though is it's not just that pathology

02:00:38.260 being represented we have cases where the guides are in fact practitioners the remote viewer

02:00:47.620 so there again that's the that's the spider and the snake the spider is the manipulated alter ego of the

02:00:56.740 snake that's the form that we're attracted to meanwhile the function manifests so that's what we're

02:01:02.740 looking at now and i'm not saying i'm 100 right i have theories and uh i do appreciate you guys

02:01:10.420 having me on and dealing with my stupid no that's actually never happened 400 of my shows

02:01:18.020 that happened to me before it's the worst disgusting when you drink and you're like

02:01:22.420 something gets stuck um yeah all right then so we won't keep you any longer i guess the the final

02:01:27.460 question that i that i want to ask you is one that we've kind of become uh keen on asking our guests

02:01:32.820 because we find ourselves talking to people who are you know they're they're um deep into it they're

02:01:39.780 deep into it and they're dumping a disproportionate amount of effort and man hours and research into these

02:01:45.460 really uh fantastic concepts and ideas uh nathaniel gillison in all of your work these days uh you know

02:01:52.740 and on the cusp of disclosure and and in the wake of the epstein files etc you name it are you having fun

02:02:03.380 not really i mean i um i there are days i'm going to get out of the field there's at least two or

02:02:10.740 three days out of the week where i just want to call it quits and leave wow yeah the personalities in

02:02:16.420 the field the pushing of the narratives um the dogma over the data the the amount of the phenomenon

02:02:26.740 that pushes back against me you know there's some days where i just i disconnect from everybody and i

02:02:32.420 hide and just in the darkness just i don't know listen to podcasts or something but i mean the fun

02:02:40.180 so you gotta stay on the origin story in my life in my career you know i was haunted by the phenomenon

02:02:47.540 at a young age and so at eight years old and so a lot of this is is me trying to understand what i

02:02:57.060 encountered and at least add value to everyone else's pilgrimage because i've talked to people

02:03:01.620 who are 60 years old but when you really get down to it they're still that eight year old boy or that

02:03:07.220 seven year old girl that they they may be an executive they may be a ceo they may be a pastor

02:03:12.900 but deeply within them there are there are it's trapped trauma if you will let me ask you this

02:03:19.380 daniel do you find any because i'm very similar i have a lot of this as well and and i do believe

02:03:24.740 that this same phenomenon is what drove my my grandmother who was much more of a mother figure to

02:03:28.580 me to a very early grave um and i wonder i find this to be quite satisfying in this particular

02:03:36.660 way and i wonder if you do too in your research and you're exposing this phenomenon it is almost like

02:03:43.300 kicking the phenomenon in the dick and i wonder do you find any satisfaction in that

02:03:49.780 i do i enjoy a little bit of kicking uh and then the thing is is the kicking is the podcasting part

02:03:59.380 right of actually getting on here and releasing the research well the pushback comes from and i've had

02:04:04.340 this happen of rituals performed on me without my knowledge to where i have to go to the er because

02:04:08.420 i have a cardiac event and then somebody will say we only had a car that's the secular then the sacred

02:04:14.340 comes along and then i get kicked and they're like well you should have even suffered that if god loved

02:04:18.820 you or if your relationship was right or and it's just like so i get it from like both sides so i'm kind

02:04:27.140 of an outlier and i am very much a loner um and so it's something that i have had to live with my whole

02:04:33.220 life to where it's being alienated from both sides a lot of times where you know it's it's stuck within

02:04:41.300 the veggie tales version of demonology and it's not really written in you know data i love veggie tales

02:04:48.340 i grew up on an odyssey all right come on oh no bob where's my hairbrush let's go version of

02:04:55.700 demonology is a is a great uh something needs to be done with that i think there's there's something

02:05:01.140 good there i'll tell you what i'm a big adventures and odyssey guy man i grew up on that as a kid so

02:05:06.420 that's it's a whole different thing um but that's where i'm at i mean fun for me is watching a good

02:05:11.380 college football game and eating a bowl full of chicken wings that's pretty much amazing

02:05:19.140 uh but what happens with me guys not to be very transparent with you is that i will get fresh

02:05:23.620 revelation or some insight and then i'll bounce it off some of my sources that are either in the

02:05:30.820 occult or in parapsychology i have to have those connections because i have to confirm it i can't

02:05:35.460 just think i believe um and but then i go and release the data and then if it's not um a stake being

02:05:44.740 built for my burning then it's somebody in you know in the secular world who's like well we don't

02:05:50.180 like you because of this so at the end of the day it's fun kicking back but between the phenomenon i

02:05:59.460 i mean guys i've had um experiencers be threatened for me like i've had a person that that was one of

02:06:09.940 dr carla turner's experiencers that worked with him for a long time just out of nowhere is blowing

02:06:14.580 me up but saying a fangling entity told me about your name last night told me not to even mention

02:06:19.620 your name told me not to even look at your research and i haven't had an encounter like that in 20 years and

02:06:25.940 so what i'm saying here is that i have to gain enough revelation to the to add to the conversation

02:06:35.300 but anytime i do the phenomenon cease and so then i have to back up retract disconnect and hope that

02:06:43.300 nothing happens and so it's troubling well brother you're always welcome here any of your

02:06:49.620 revelation revelations are always welcome here yeah i'd like i also like to say hey like we're not

02:06:55.140 we're not digging as deep uh as you are we're not at the intellectual level and have the same

02:06:59.860 connections but there's certainly a price to pay yeah for uh anything you do in life and when you're

02:07:06.180 looking at something like this the price is going to be heavy and it has gotten heavy for for everybody

02:07:12.260 me and david are just uh we we're retarded and so we we laugh in the face of i guess

02:07:21.060 adversity or the things that are coming against us and trust me it's all the time but you know what

02:07:26.900 like in in my mind i go it doesn't it doesn't matter i i have to do a thing and i'm gonna do that thing and

02:07:34.500 i'm going to be attacked whether i like it or not we're on we're on a set path we're doing a thing

02:07:39.060 i could smile and i could have fun and laugh about it or i could be sad and fearful and i just choose

02:07:45.620 not to be fearful it helps when you when you you know like if you do a thing like you dress up

02:07:50.900 sometimes every once in a while like maybe uh your favorite character from a fictional movie like a

02:07:55.300 indiana jones or something and and you you you do something comedic to express that and it really

02:08:00.260 is cathartic in very many ways and um you need to have an outlet i mean you know if chicken wings in

02:08:06.020 a football game is cathartic for you but that really is it like you need to have some other

02:08:10.420 outlet because you stare into the abyss if that's your only avenue your only mode

02:08:17.620 it's gonna suck dude it's gonna suck but but we have um i mean we're blessed to have uh comedy as

02:08:23.620 an outlet which is tremendous we're blessed to have nathaniel gillis as a guy that does this because

02:08:27.940 there's a heavy price for everybody listening yeah everyone listening that you're getting this

02:08:31.940 information this is not like just free shit this is heavy it comes at a price it comes at a price

02:08:38.100 and thank you for thank you for coming and delivering this to us yeah brother always a good time man we

02:08:43.940 love you man yeah i'm glad that we got this done too uh it was uh it was an important episode and i

02:08:51.380 think it's going to help a lot of people so uh he's suffering over there let's get your plugs on

02:08:58.660 right yeah where can they find him please guys go go follow his stuff so that way we can

02:09:04.820 so paris symposia.com you know you can be a paid member you can be a free member you

02:09:09.620 we're going to be uploading a lot of free stuff for people as well um and then of course we're

02:09:14.660 going to be uploading some other things to my youtube channel we're going to have all the nh

02:09:17.940 discussions on there eventually a lot of my most of my interviews if not all of them which obviously

02:09:23.380 it's not my ip it's theirs so i'll just be linking all the interviews i've been on for like the youtube

02:09:28.740 channels for everybody to follow them as well um but yeah man thank you guys for having me on the

02:09:34.660 thing is man like if if people don't agree okay like take the meat spit out the bones but this this is

02:09:42.020 a lot of in-depth research that i didn't come to because i was predisposed to it right it wasn't some

02:09:47.860 kind of conviction i came to it because i i was i was wanting to be data driven and that's really

02:09:53.700 what i have but thank you guys i appreciate it thank you brother thank you man you you've done uh

02:09:59.460 you've done us a service guys heavy day yeah until next time uh don't forget to obey submit and comply

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Nephilim Death Squad - March 11, 2026

Necronetics Part 2 w⧸ Nathaniel Gillis

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