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00:02:23.380 But there is something there that's exactly the size of Noah's Ark and the shape of a ship.

00:02:31.160 The Ark is 158 meters long, 515 and a half feet long for the English system.

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00:05:43.560 Joining us today is Andrew Jones.

00:05:46.600 Andrew is right now in the midst of a fascinating discovery and a fascinating body of research

00:05:54.560 as it applies to Noah's Ark.

00:05:56.980 And I can't wait to get into this conversation.

00:05:58.800 I want to thank you, Andrew, for joining us.

00:06:00.380 And before we get into this, let's tell everybody where they can find your work.

00:06:06.200 Yeah, you can follow us on social media or go to our website and you have a newsletter.

00:06:11.520 Noahzarkscans.com is our website and Noahzarkscans is our name under all the different social media accounts.

00:06:20.460 Awesome, awesome.

00:06:21.540 And so you are currently, I mean, I don't exactly know how to start this.

00:06:26.500 This is such a big topic and it's a fascinating one.

00:06:29.600 one that i've been watching kind of unfold this saga or this odyssey on twitter in particular a

00:06:35.500 lot of the uh dialogue surrounding it not only has it gone viral because of the implications

00:06:40.720 of the discovery but it's also very polarizing and it's also been a bit of a drama some of the

00:06:46.540 things that you've experienced especially as of late and i'm sure this is not an anomaly i'm sure

00:06:51.600 there's been a lot of drama um but you find yourself you're an american correct uh andrew

00:06:56.980 yes i am from california most of my life i grew up there and then at the start of the pandemic in

00:07:04.540 february 2020 i was in turkey when the borders were closing so my friend said why don't you stay

00:07:09.340 here your money will go further we don't know when the borders will reopen you can push through

00:07:13.240 there's no azark project you want to do and so since 2020 most i should say six to seven months

00:07:18.560 of the year i'm here in turkey that's incredible that's interesting yeah 2020 also seems it seems

00:07:24.540 like a pivotal moment in many people's lives where they decided to uh either do what they

00:07:29.480 were doing before or pursue something that was meaningful to them so it's not a surprise to me

00:07:34.940 that that happened to you in that exact junction um how does it how does it turn out though that

00:07:40.980 you end up moving there i mean i know noah's ark is fascinating enough but what is the what's the

00:07:47.480 point at which you decided i'm going to move across the not even the country the entire world

00:07:52.680 yeah yeah it was a combinations of good and bad things uh and the year before the start of the

00:08:00.760 year so i've been going back and forth to this site since 1997 so 30 years three decades here

00:08:07.000 uh checking it out you know there's a break in that from 2000 my last trip was after my initial

00:08:12.720 trip was in 2000 i went twice here and visited a turkish geologist who believes it was noah's ark

00:08:18.340 and this guy's retired now, professor of geology.

00:08:21.440 But then there was a break until 2013.

00:08:24.780 It's about 13 years.

00:08:25.640 And I was involved with archaeology

00:08:26.840 and I'm not an archaeologist,

00:08:28.180 but I was involved with doing archaeological excavations

00:08:30.880 in Jerusalem, Israel, and just everyday life.

00:08:35.480 But 2013, a friend said,

00:08:37.640 hey, I'm going to do a tour.

00:08:38.960 You haven't been back over there.

00:08:40.000 You want to join my group, it'd be a small tour.

00:08:42.020 I said, okay, sure.

00:08:43.040 So I decided to bring a camera guy along.

00:08:44.560 I thought we were going to make a film about this.

00:08:46.140 So we had people buy us some nice fancy black magic cameras and we had a big drone. And then in 2014, one of the guys who I knew from the excavations in Israel, he had bought this, he sold his house and bought this device or the survey equipment called electrical resistivity tomography or ERT.

00:09:06.080 And this is a way that geologists and geophysicists, even archaeologists can look below the surface, but using electrical current to measure how resistive the material is below the ground and then make a 3D model.

00:09:18.740 So then you can, you know, on the computer, see maybe what is below the ground, non-destructive way.

00:09:23.780 He did the survey and I was there with two media guys on my team.

00:09:28.600 This was October 2014.

00:09:29.820 And up to that point, the last time someone had done any geophysical work was in the 1980s. Ron Wyatt, David Fazold, and these earlier guys, Dr. Baumgartner and Dr. Bayrak Tutan, the geologist who I knew. So when he said he's going to do this, I had to be there.

00:09:46.460 And then when he started producing the results, because this was getting data down to 38 meters, and this was the deepest anyone has gone. The Ron Wyatt data, maybe 5, 10 meters back in the 80s. Now we're going way deeper, and we're getting these blobs, these shapes that form like the boat hull, that form layers, almost like there are three decks, partially still down there, and voids.

00:10:14.820 And so that got me really excited.

00:10:16.240 Wow, there's a lot more information down below the ground that we didn't know about.

00:10:20.520 And so we, a friend and I, the local guy, he said, why don't you try to go for a permit to actually dig into the site?

00:10:27.880 And so based on the ERT data, and this was 2014, the report he made came out in 15.

00:10:33.840 So by 2016, we had basically asked the local government if we could do a limited excavation.

00:10:40.340 And they were very positive.

00:10:41.480 It was a new governor, district governor, and he was really into promoting tourism and getting more people interested in this area of Turkey.

00:10:49.240 We're in the Far East, right beside Iran and Armenia.

00:10:52.560 And so that led then into trying to get the application in, getting what we thought was verbal approval to come on out with a team.

00:11:00.640 This was July of 2016.

00:11:03.060 That – two weeks before we were supposed to come out, that month a coup attempt happened in Turkey, and everything was chaos.

00:11:09.980 They were arresting people.

00:11:11.140 Even our district governor, who was friendly to us, he was thrown in jail.

00:11:14.920 People were killed, fired, fled the country.

00:11:18.560 It was a big event for the country.

00:11:20.740 And so my friend said, don't come back.

00:11:22.720 I mean, don't come here for now.

00:11:23.800 It's just a mess. 1.00

00:11:24.440 You're not going to be able to get anything done anyways, and they don't want foreigners around. 1.00

00:11:27.420 So I said, okay. 1.00

00:11:28.240 So we lost a lot of money.

00:11:29.520 But it was two years under a state of emergency.

00:11:34.220 By 2018, it was lifted, new people involved,

00:11:37.760 new politicians and new professors and all this.

00:11:40.700 So my friend said, once you come back

00:11:42.240 and try to get connected to these people,

00:11:44.340 this was 2018.

00:11:45.720 And that fall, we met a Turkish archeological student

00:11:48.640 who had her bachelor's, she's working on her master's. 0.93

00:11:52.020 She was from this area that Noah's Ark

00:11:53.740 is near the town I'm in right now, Dogu by Zet.

00:11:56.520 And this lady thought she could help us.

00:11:58.680 So we paid her a stipend.

00:12:00.060 She was doing the work to talk to the officials about it.

00:12:03.120 And within a year, we had permission to scan the boat with digital modern radar.

00:12:09.500 Ron Wyatt had, you know, David Fasnall and those guys in the 80s, they used the first radar in Turkey on Noah's Ark.

00:12:15.160 It wasn't used anywhere else before in Turkey.

00:12:18.220 And when we brought it in, so ours is digital.

00:12:20.540 You can do 3D modeling with it.

00:12:22.540 You can pass the data on, like give someone a Dropbox link and another scientist can look at the data.

00:12:28.840 But before that, Ron White, all that data was printed on a thermal paper.

00:12:33.080 Like what you see is what you get.

00:12:34.460 If you're going to ship it off to someone, you got to put it in like a box

00:12:36.620 and tell the next scientist to unroll it like a scroll and like look at the data.

00:12:41.040 But now you can filter it.

00:12:42.260 You have software.

00:12:43.040 So everything's way more advanced, better technology.

00:12:45.640 And we had the Science Channel they're filming.

00:12:47.660 And the results of that led me to really want to pursue this project.

00:12:51.400 So this was October 2019.

00:12:53.980 Within six months.

00:12:55.220 So a couple months later, we're getting good data from the scientists.

00:12:58.800 They're telling us, oh, we see a series of right angles.

00:13:01.280 This is an American archaeologist in Atlanta, Georgia.

00:13:04.060 He trains archaeologists on how to use radar for their work.

00:13:08.920 So he's a well-known person.

00:13:11.120 Even our team went to him to get training before they came to the site.

00:13:14.980 But the results were a series of right angles, 20 feet down, 21 feet down, and then the pandemic hits.

00:13:22.340 And so now I've been talking to the guy five years, six years before in 2014.

00:13:29.740 And now three or four months before the pandemic, I have this new radar results that's never

00:13:34.120 been published before, never been done on the ARC, this digital radar.

00:13:39.260 And so I had a decision.

00:13:40.420 I could stay here and the borders could have been closed.

00:13:44.100 I could have gone back to America and maybe not be able to do anything for a while.

00:13:47.920 Again, everyone thought it was kind of the end of the world with the pandemic.

00:13:51.540 So I decided, you know, based on those previous efforts that, hey, let's keep going with this and see who we can meet.

00:13:58.320 And so I moved here.

00:14:00.420 So, OK, this is I mean, what a saga, you know, just to use that expression again.

00:14:04.520 And it's really been an elongated one for you.

00:14:06.900 And I mean, you're in this opportunistic time where we have all sorts of access to this ground penetrating radar.

00:14:13.000 It sounds like what happens is you keep experiencing something promising, a small development after a small development.

00:14:21.540 And in America, there is this sort of presupposition that there's nothing there.

00:14:27.860 This is a natural geological formation because of the research that was done in the 80s.

00:14:32.120 And then there are very many things within archaeology in particular that are seen as put to bed, right, by sort of the powers that be or the old guard.

00:14:44.260 And then we're looking at it through fresh eyes with new technology, with new people.

00:14:47.860 There seems to be something more there, but there's a great big pushback against that notion going, no, no, this has already been put to bed.

00:14:53.720 We've already gone through this. This isn't that.

00:14:55.900 And in the case of Noah's Ark, it's potentially or likely, according to most people that I see, at least in the dialogue on the Internet, this is just a natural geological formation.

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00:16:56.720 How does that contrast between this American sentiment, the American public sentiment,

00:17:03.820 versus people there on the ground, let's say even the townsfolk or the people that actually have their hands on it,

00:17:10.120 is there as much doubt?

00:17:12.860 And am I mischaracterizing it?

00:17:15.680 Is there really not that much doubt

00:17:17.000 within the American public sentiment?

00:17:19.920 Well, definitely when you look at social media comments,

00:17:23.200 the keyboard warriors out there

00:17:24.680 and those who are in their basements

00:17:25.800 of their parents' homes doing this,

00:17:27.180 I think those people are the vocal ones.

00:17:30.760 You have a silent, interested party of people who,

00:17:35.100 yeah, they're following the news,

00:17:36.680 but they're not leaving the comments all the time.

00:17:38.480 They don't know all the ins and outs.

00:17:39.820 They don't want to debate somebody who's going to attack it and throw out their credentials.

00:17:43.060 I saw one guy say, I'm a retired geologist.

00:17:46.180 This is a sincline.

00:17:47.820 So I immediately pushed back, well, I have my own retired geologist in Turkey.

00:17:51.020 And he says, it's not a sincline.

00:17:53.060 So you're dealing with this.

00:17:55.760 So from my point of view, early on when I first heard about the site in middle school,

00:18:01.200 I knew about the pushback because I started investigating.

00:18:03.820 To me, it was like a puzzle.

00:18:05.060 And I wanted to figure this out, like a mystery novel or something.

00:18:07.280 And I was already a Bible believer.

00:18:09.960 So it wasn't trying to prove my faith, maybe kind of,

00:18:13.260 but it wasn't like I was doubting the story

00:18:15.660 and I need to find the facts.

00:18:17.060 It was more, I really believed it as a kid.

00:18:18.700 I mean, I made my own little nose arc,

00:18:20.280 but my brother and I would put these little plastic animals

00:18:22.960 from the farms that we had into the arc.

00:18:26.640 There's this fascination with the story,

00:18:29.940 but I never doubted it.

00:18:32.220 So to me, this was why we got extra information possibly.

00:18:35.240 But when I started talking to people back in the 90s, I was in middle school, then in high school, this was all, yeah, you're right.

00:18:41.540 There was pushback saying, no, no, no, this guy's not an archaeologist.

00:18:43.900 He said he found it.

00:18:45.720 I started talking to people who were involved with his work, and I saw, wow, he was persecuted.

00:18:51.200 He's making some conclusions that he doesn't have the data for, but he's saying, okay, I see this.

00:18:56.460 And right away he says it's this.

00:18:57.860 but it was still an interesting thing for me to pursue so that by 1997 in college i came out here

00:19:04.380 as a tourist because a friend of mine was out here or coming out here and needed a travel companion

00:19:08.280 and so i was like okay i'll go with you in my parents day he said we'll pay for the trip so

00:19:12.940 that helped uh so that was my first time seeing it it just really made me want to come back uh

00:19:19.160 it felt um and i said this before with other people the site felt abandoned so this is 10

00:19:24.780 years after they built the visitor center in 87 was the culmination of ron wyatt's 10 years in the

00:19:30.600 field david fazold's five or six years out there these guys who were in the news a lot in the 80s

00:19:36.300 now the turkish government sought the potential of tourism and they built a visitor center

00:19:40.700 10 years later i show up and uh as a tourist in a place is abandoned like empty there's one table

00:19:46.220 and chair an old man working the site asking for tips nothing inside the the cement building the

00:19:51.820 paint is peeling and then the lonely boat shape down like you're on the western hill at the

00:19:56.900 business center so down on the mountainside little valley on the mountainside there you see the boat

00:20:01.460 shape and even now there's trees and farming going around around it but back then no trees

00:20:06.420 looked like a very lonely object that's sitting there waiting for someone to uh do some more work

00:20:11.200 and by that time ron white was kind of you know two years later he passed away and then one year

00:20:15.360 later after 97 david fazel died so the original people really pushing the site they were kind of

00:20:21.280 retired or ran out of steam or even changed their opinion with Basil.

00:20:25.920 He went back and forth.

00:20:27.620 So you basically had, you're looking for a new bunch of people.

00:20:31.980 And so when Ron passed away in 99, a group of us who knew Ron at different levels,

00:20:37.000 from friendship to lifelong friends, acquaintances, we got together and formed a trip.

00:20:42.060 We had Australians, New Zealand, and some Americans and British.

00:20:44.600 We all went over there on this multi-country trip.

00:20:47.720 We went to Turkey first, saw the Noah's Ark site, went to Israel and then Egypt.

00:20:51.280 And I remember in Turkey, we met with Dr. Salibirak Tutan. And this was the first time I met somebody who was a scientist, geologist, associate professor of geology, who studied the site since 1985. And he's still alive. He's coming out to the town a couple days from now, I think. He lives four hours from here. He's retired. But he, to me, is now, today, the world's expert for the geological information about that mountainside.

00:21:15.480 So I've asked some of these questions you see on the internet,

00:21:17.220 these criticisms of, is it bedrock sticking up

00:21:19.700 and then mud goes around it?

00:21:21.200 Like Dr. Andrew Snelling claims

00:21:22.800 and some of the creationists on Answers in Genesis.

00:21:27.100 Is it a sincline?

00:21:28.680 Like David Faswell later said,

00:21:30.060 and then he changed his mind,

00:21:31.060 but Professor Collins wrote that article in 96

00:21:33.120 that Newsweek just published again saying,

00:21:35.580 oh, the 96 study said it was a sincline.

00:21:37.920 Is it a sincline?

00:21:39.220 Or is it a limestone block of rock?

00:21:41.520 It's just a big block.

00:21:42.580 This came down the mountainside.

00:21:43.520 like the Turkish geologist Marat Avinci said,

00:21:46.480 and he peer-reviewed and published that one.

00:21:48.120 So we have three different ideas of what it is,

00:21:50.440 no agreement, a different PhD geologist.

00:21:53.940 And then the fourth one is Dr. Salibarik Tutan,

00:21:56.740 who's actually been here, studied it the longest,

00:21:59.160 and he's given me all these great answers.

00:22:00.760 He said, look, Andrew, bedrock is 70 meters plus down.

00:22:03.940 This is not bedrock sticking up like a column.

00:22:06.540 This is not a syncline.

00:22:07.920 The layering, the bedding is all going the wrong direction

00:22:10.200 to form those folded layers that are exposed

00:22:13.300 and forming an oval shape that you know longer ones usually when they can suggest a boat shape

00:22:18.400 and then he said this is not a solid rock it's a dirt formation so it's not limestone that came

00:22:24.020 from higher up the mountainside and then millions of years glaciers formed it so he was giving me

00:22:28.500 this information and i'm walking every summer he's out here i'm walking in the field with this guy

00:22:32.520 who's like a grandfather now to me and i'm asking him these questions explaining this rock what is

00:22:36.460 this type how did the boat shape like this why is it on the western side of the valley all these

00:22:40.860 things that the people on the internet will they'll just see a title to a paper and say oh

00:22:46.300 it's geology and so i try to ignore all that but the opinion here the locals you know it's hard to

00:22:52.860 judge because you have people obviously interested in tourism so they'll say anything to get the

00:22:56.600 tourist dollars but you have officials you have officials who are really interested in it this is

00:23:02.160 how we got connected with uh he's not a local professor but he's a professor from west turkey

00:23:07.880 He's in charge of our project.

00:23:09.460 We just have the governor out here of the province.

00:23:11.760 Again, a politician, not a scientist,

00:23:13.580 but he's fully supportive.

00:23:14.880 He did a press conference after he met with our team.

00:23:17.780 He said, I support what you guys are doing this year

00:23:19.320 and next year.

00:23:20.480 We have a season two coming up.

00:23:22.200 And so there is more in the works.

00:23:24.400 And we're still, as you said,

00:23:25.220 waiting for the soil results for this year.

00:23:27.860 But for us on the ground,

00:23:30.140 there's more to the site than just saying,

00:23:32.160 ah, it's geology.

00:23:33.580 We're in the middle of it.

00:23:35.080 And our core drilling so far has not hit bedrock, has not hit a solid block of rock.

00:23:39.860 And we're going down 60 feet, 20 meters in some locations.

00:23:43.220 It's dirt, you know, layers of dirt.

00:23:45.720 But we have some other things we found that we'll announce later.

00:23:48.640 But it's basically not what the geologists are saying.

00:23:53.000 They're saying it's a solid block of rock or folded rock or it's rock sticking up.

00:23:57.640 Where's this rock?

00:23:59.520 We've drilled and the radar from Dr. Buktar from California, American radar scientist, military scientist.

00:24:05.080 his radar can see, you know, just like the other radar, but this one goes much deeper,

00:24:09.400 high resolution down meters and meters. No, no evidence of this rock that everyone keeps talking

00:24:16.000 about. Well, what about the, even the impression, because we're talking about kind of armchair

00:24:19.980 critics in a big way, right? Dialogue on the internet, people that haven't actually been

00:24:23.740 there personally that are just, you know, theorizing about geological formations. What

00:24:28.820 is, let's talk about even the impression that you get when you're there on the ground. We've only

00:24:32.640 seen images of this thing and those are very compelling and there's all kinds of radar to go

00:24:36.480 along with it uh people can go and check that out does it feel like this is where humanity started

00:24:41.580 i mean yeah that's kind of is what i'm asking very many ways but is there a compulsion upon

00:24:47.260 seeing it in person that that drives you to inquire further meaning are you are you struck

00:24:54.200 with the significance of it yeah well right away the biggest thing people know like i've got to

00:24:59.660 tour group site or two, or I meet people who are just randomly showing up. And the biggest thing,

00:25:05.780 if you go down on the site, is it's dirt. So this whole idea that people are saying it's a rock

00:25:10.480 block, or of course, I don't have x-ray vision. I don't know what's below the surface. So that's

00:25:15.960 why we brought in the radar two times, two different radars over five year or no, over seven

00:25:20.320 year difference from 2019. And now with 2026, we did the next radar, the 2014 ERT, these different

00:25:27.460 geophysical technologies, plus the geological studies by Dr. Barak Tutan, who he did radar

00:25:33.000 in 87 on the site with Dr. John Baumgartner, but he also knows the geology. And I asked him,

00:25:39.180 how do you know it's 70 meters down, estimated that that's the actual bedrock for this valley

00:25:43.840 floor? He said, look, this is a landslide here, Andrew. This boat shape is sitting on the top

00:25:48.960 surface of it. The landslide is filling up this valley floor. If you look at the angles of the

00:25:53.680 hills around it you can do an estimate on how it goes down unless there's a sudden break down below

00:25:59.320 like a cliff which could be much deeper right now the estimate is 70 meters and this is before

00:26:04.240 we did buktar's radar and before we core drilled so here we have a geologist given geological

00:26:12.320 reasons as to why it's not this pinnacle of rock sticking up in the middle of the valley floor

00:26:16.540 that dirt and mud is going around and forming a boat shape so on the ground that's the first thing

00:26:22.900 know is that it's mud, dirt, but it's hard. Around it, it's crumbly soil, but even Captain

00:26:30.280 Drupenar, who found the site on September 11, 1959, when he discovered it and then went out

00:26:37.240 there one year later in June with the American group, and they walked on it, and he was interviewed

00:26:41.640 before he died, and in his interview, he says, we noticed that the dirt, the soil was compact,

00:26:46.800 hard, there's something different about the soil that's forming this boat shape, and we can even

00:26:51.780 see that because if you look at the declassified satellite images from 64 until 84, 20 years worth

00:26:58.620 that we have data from the US government now that Clinton or one of the Bush's declassified a lot

00:27:03.460 of this. And we also now have, I just got this morning actually, of two photographs that was

00:27:09.240 one year and four years before Drupinar saw it. So the site, because the Turkish government was

00:27:16.680 photographing their whole country during these different surveys, every year doing a photograph

00:27:20.320 series uh aerial photography you know survey work and of course um um drew up and are founded

00:27:27.000 in 59 but i did the professor who's in charge of our project this morning he emailed me or texted

00:27:32.620 me a whole bunch of photographs and one is from 55 and one is from 58 and i mean i can send them

00:27:39.000 you guys later and you can put it up for your audience but uh because they're not my classified

00:27:43.800 photos black and white photos but it shows the boat shape there and what you see is that the land

00:27:49.840 around it the mudslide the earth flow whatever you want to call it uh is always changing because

00:27:55.280 if you look at that 55 photo then the 59 58 photos the 60 photograph and then the u.s

00:28:01.280 government's declassified photographs going all the way to 84 you can monitor the mud flow and

00:28:06.200 of course now you have like google satellite you know google maps and drone technology so we have

00:28:11.160 all these series of photographs and the boat doesn't change if this boat was just normal soil

00:28:17.040 part of the mudflow, you'd think it would just break up

00:28:19.240 and elongate, fall

00:28:21.100 apart, enlarge

00:28:22.740 like the rest of the mudflow around it.

00:28:25.440 Instead, the

00:28:26.360 1968 earthquake, the 1978

00:28:28.760 earthquake, and there was a

00:28:30.480 villager said there was one in 58 or

00:28:32.560 48 and 49.

00:28:34.900 We can't find it in the records. It was too far

00:28:37.000 back. But that exposed

00:28:39.020 the site. These earthquakes

00:28:40.700 have dropped the soil away,

00:28:43.020 made it more visible.

00:28:45.620 So again, but it didn't

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00:29:47.440 meal delivery service. So that just gives us, and Dr. Bayrak Tutan, the Turkish geologist,

00:29:52.780 pointed it out to me too. He said, Drupanar noticed it. He said, Andrew, we need to test

00:29:56.820 the soil because you'll see that there's something going on in the chemistry that's really made it

00:30:00.620 compact versus right outside the arc site. That has not been done yet, actually. We haven't tested

00:30:05.540 that. Like, what's the characteristics that's doing it? A lot of theories. But that's anomalous

00:30:10.180 otherwise right i mean why why is the constitution of the dirt that specifically you know uh creates

00:30:15.980 the formation of a different composition that's what what's immediately outside that's why

00:30:20.580 exactly i tell the critics or people ask me i say look if you think it's natural you have to explain

00:30:26.180 the stability of the site right because for us we're we're going to say the possibility is that

00:30:30.540 underground there's remains of the ship or it decayed and and changed the soil uh so you have

00:30:35.760 this harder compact ship shape now from what was there once before the gopher wood and you know

00:30:40.660 pitch uh you know that's a theory we have to prove it but um there is something there that's exactly

00:30:46.140 the size of noah's ark and the shape of a ship the critics they're going to say it's rock okay

00:30:50.380 show us the proof because right now we're saying our core drilling and the latest radar so zero

00:30:55.180 rock uh so you need another theory to make it a natural site so when you say exactly the size of

00:31:02.100 noah's ark the scans determine that they're i don't know what is it like 200 cubits wide or

00:31:06.880 whatever it is you're saying 300 long 300 long yeah and what exactly does that mean in feet

00:31:12.520 oh yeah good question yeah i don't remember cubits too well yeah so people have this idea

00:31:17.780 that cubits are just an average so every generation that changes you know because

00:31:22.320 no the idea is the cubit is from your elbow uh to the tip of your hand or like your or whatever 0.99

00:31:28.640 somewhere but they say okay so the person is taller here if he was a midget then he has a

00:31:33.340 shorter cubit but no actually during the early bronze age or the late bronze age as a believer

00:31:38.580 and a christian uh the book of genesis you know some people say it was written much later others

00:31:43.400 uh say moses wrote it i believe moses wrote it and so for his lifetime he's uh there's a debate

00:31:48.620 was he the 18th dynasty or 19th dynasty in egypt we everyone does believe you know he was part of

00:31:53.780 the royal family he was adopted in.

00:31:55.820 So he's educated, according to the book of Acts,

00:31:58.620 educated in Egypt.

00:31:59.680 He gets his learning in the royal schools, whatever.

00:32:02.680 Now at that time, the Encyclopedia Britannica,

00:32:05.100 which is gathering information from all the experts,

00:32:07.660 other archaeologists say that the late Bronze Age,

00:32:11.200 the Egyptian royal cubit was the standard of measurement.

00:32:14.420 Just like today in science and outside the United States,

00:32:17.260 the metric system is the standard.

00:32:19.100 So the arc is 158 meters long, 515 and a half feet long for the English system, and that equals 300 royal Egyptian cubits.

00:32:32.880 So that right there, that got the early researchers excited because here you have something really just matching, exact match for the length given in the Bible.

00:32:43.500 And we do the average width because it's a boat shape.

00:32:45.960 It's not just a rectangular shape.

00:32:48.240 The Bible says the ark was 50 cubits wide.

00:32:52.620 And if you take that and look at the site we have today,

00:32:56.040 it is wider in the middle.

00:32:57.280 Like the beam of the boat is 100, I think, 38 feet wide,

00:33:01.100 which would be wider than the 50 cubits.

00:33:04.040 Others have said, well, the ark is splaying out.

00:33:06.320 That was a runway, a David Fasel theory,

00:33:08.180 that as wooden boats get old and fall apart,

00:33:11.200 they break down and get wider.

00:33:12.600 but the ship shape is really

00:33:14.680 nice

00:33:15.940 shape with the streamlined

00:33:18.520 inside and outside design

00:33:20.380 so if you take the average

00:33:22.780 inside you get

00:33:24.760 very close to the 50 cubits

00:33:26.360 you have a pointed end which is narrow

00:33:28.580 and then you go down to the middle which is wider

00:33:30.820 and then you go down to the north bottom

00:33:32.780 and it's a rounded

00:33:34.960 end and that

00:33:36.880 average going every

00:33:38.340 meter or less than a meter

00:33:40.460 my friend did the measurements

00:33:41.800 and you say, look, Andrew,

00:33:43.500 you're getting very close to a 50-cubit average.

00:33:46.540 After 4,000 years, we're not going to have an exact

00:33:49.460 looking at dirt.

00:33:51.260 But it's interesting, if this was one mile long

00:33:53.580 or a couple of kilometers, whatever,

00:33:55.820 everyone would abandon it.

00:33:57.340 Because they would say, look,

00:33:57.920 this doesn't match what's given in the Bible.

00:33:59.680 The Bible is the only book that actually gives

00:34:01.380 these type of measurements.

00:34:02.740 The other mythologies about Noah and the flood

00:34:05.560 or even historical documents outside the Bible,

00:34:08.940 they have different ideas.

00:34:09.760 Some say it was a cube.

00:34:11.040 Others say it's a round boat, like the ones you see in the Iraqi marsh today,

00:34:15.120 these traditional round barges, but much bigger.

00:34:17.460 So like a floating saucer.

00:34:19.600 So you have all these different ideas.

00:34:21.240 But in the Bible, you have 300 Royal Egyptian cubits. 0.99

00:34:24.660 And this site exactly matches that. 0.98

00:34:27.520 Let's talk about the location.

00:34:29.600 You know, as far as where this is and where scripture says it should be.

00:34:35.180 How do those things compare?

00:34:36.440 yeah so in history most people have uh in the christian world you can say the last couple

00:34:43.860 hundred years or even longer uh people have looked on the big volcano a mount ararat now

00:34:48.520 our site's 19 miles south of the summit on a smaller sedimentary uh mountain range called

00:34:54.400 the tinderick mountains and so this mountain range has uh sandstone layers uh limestone rocks

00:35:00.200 full of fossils we find the fossilized coral shallow seawater seashells sand dollars all

00:35:06.240 embedded in the conglomerate of different types of pebbles and such that are making this rock.

00:35:10.780 So that's the mountainside that our site is sitting on at 6,500 feet, but it's in the general

00:35:16.360 mountains of Ararat. So while people in the past have gone to the big mountain because they assume,

00:35:21.500 well, look, if the waters of the flood covered all the mountains, this is before modern day

00:35:27.720 geology in which even creationists have understood that the mountains we see today, like Everest,

00:35:32.620 which has fossils on it, Mount Errat, that these are post-flood or forms that were created

00:35:38.840 because of plate tectonics, you know, plates hitting and mountains being pushed up.

00:35:43.500 You know, even people who believe in the Bible and a young earth creation of 6,000 years

00:35:47.900 or whatever, they'll still accept in a much faster process that these mountains were created

00:35:52.440 that way.

00:35:53.280 So we don't have to say the floodwaters actually cover Mount Everest, you know, 30,000 plus

00:35:58.380 feet is impossible.

00:35:59.660 or even Mount Ararat, which is here about 16,000 feet,

00:36:03.260 almost the same height as Mount Rainier

00:36:05.400 and some of those mountains in Washington State.

00:36:08.280 This mountain, though, was the focus

00:36:10.560 because at the time, people assumed

00:36:12.760 that the waters covered it first.

00:36:14.500 So as the waters receded during the flood,

00:36:16.700 Noah's Ark would have landed on the first thing

00:36:18.660 in this area, the Mountains of Ararat.

00:36:20.100 Oh, it's a big Mount Ararat volcano.

00:36:22.260 Now we know that it's a straddle volcano

00:36:24.060 and it's built up on post-flood deposits

00:36:27.020 laid down by water.

00:36:28.620 Under that mountain are layers and layers of marine deposits,

00:36:32.500 sediments laid down by the flood.

00:36:34.580 So that means this mountain, which erupted many times to form it,

00:36:38.000 that's what the stratovolcano is,

00:36:39.900 would not have been even around for Noah to land on.

00:36:43.340 But in the Bible, it doesn't say Mount Ararat.

00:36:45.420 It says mountains of Ararat.

00:36:46.940 This is a key point because while there's still some people

00:36:50.140 looking up there for it,

00:36:51.100 most people have moved on to other places looking for it,

00:36:53.820 or even the Dwebbenor site that we're working on,

00:36:56.680 our site is on sedimentary mountains

00:37:00.100 that were laid down by the flood.

00:37:01.920 And then the ark is on top of it, the boat shape.

00:37:04.560 While these other, the volcanic air rat

00:37:07.360 is for sure a post-flood volcano

00:37:10.280 with zero evidence being around,

00:37:13.360 or maybe it started erupting during the flood,

00:37:15.100 but we have zero evidence it was that high.

00:37:17.620 And for people to claim they've seen it,

00:37:19.740 there's many eyewitness accounts

00:37:20.820 and people said, oh, I saw it when I was a kid up there

00:37:23.300 like a hundred years ago,

00:37:24.300 or I saw or this pilot says he flew over it and saw it in the 50s or 60s you know but they're all

00:37:30.560 up there at 14,000 feet right below the summit some even have it on the plateau by the summit

00:37:35.180 really high elevation now if you know a stratovolcano that's like the last eruption got

00:37:40.980 that high so how did the arc land up there and didn't get destroyed after all these different

00:37:46.440 eruptions and the very last the last explosion like Mount St. Helens in 1980 whatever that was

00:37:52.400 when it exploded in Washington.

00:37:54.240 That happened the exact same thing,

00:37:56.060 a side explosion with an earthquake

00:37:57.640 on the side of Mount Ararat,

00:38:00.180 on the north side,

00:38:00.960 and it created the Ahura Gorge.

00:38:02.800 And it killed 1,000 people here

00:38:04.360 back in 1840 or 41.

00:38:06.420 And that was the last eruption

00:38:07.260 from the mountain.

00:38:08.160 So now it's a dormant volcano.

00:38:09.980 But people, even today,

00:38:11.460 not realizing the geology

00:38:13.640 or history of the site,

00:38:15.040 they said,

00:38:15.380 ah, I saw Noah's Ark

00:38:16.500 in the Ahura Gorge,

00:38:17.700 like the worst place to find it.

00:38:19.360 This is actually something

00:38:20.220 that wasn't even existing

00:38:21.120 over 150 years ago.

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00:39:24.280 What is the conventional archaeological explanation for fossilized sea life?

00:39:30.060 You know, if you're finding this on mountainsides, I mean, I'm aware of it.

00:39:34.480 We've had people push back against it and say that you can take, let's say, seashells and pulverize them

00:39:43.460 and they can sort of reconstitute through a process into...

00:39:47.320 It has like a geopolymer.

00:39:48.480 Yeah, like a geopolymer.

00:39:49.800 So this could have been building materials

00:39:51.440 that were brought up onto these mountain ranges.

00:39:54.520 But it seems based off of what you're saying,

00:39:56.520 this is a pretty consistent find.

00:39:57.860 What is the mainstream archaeological explanation

00:40:00.500 for fossilized sea life on mountain ranges?

00:40:05.120 Yeah, well, they believe over millions of years,

00:40:07.960 these areas that were once sedimentary deposits

00:40:11.320 laid down by an ancient ocean were pushed up to now they're at 6,500 feet elevation like the arc site

00:40:17.780 or Mount Everest which was plate tectonics and you know the Indian subcontinent or something

00:40:24.060 in the Asia continent and so it's pushing up these huge mountains but over millions of years

00:40:27.500 according to them is the process now this area of eastern Turkey uh and I'm not sure all the

00:40:33.380 the creation views about this area for the geological history but uh they believe that

00:40:38.720 according to the evolutionists, the traditional geology, that this was an ancient sea called the

00:40:44.040 Turkish, the Teta Sea or the Teta Sea in English. And so these fossils, they'll say, oh yeah, it was

00:40:49.540 a shallow water sea millions of years ago. And so that's why you're finding fossils here. And then

00:40:53.780 later it got pushed up over time. And now we're at this high elevation. That's interesting because

00:40:58.500 so many different people groups have a flood mythology. And rather than sort of explore that

00:41:06.220 possibility it's it's almost uh like they're i mean to me it almost seems like cope i mean i'm

00:41:11.520 not an archaeologist i don't understand how these things work i understand you could push tectonic

00:41:14.800 plates together and supposedly they'll create all of these mountain ranges which is why they're

00:41:19.200 located on the edges of tectonic plates but you have that and then you have this overwhelming body

00:41:25.620 of i guess anecdotal you could call it anecdotal but it is historical um evidence from different

00:41:31.560 people groups that claim there was this massive flood. And these are themes that you'll find

00:41:37.180 across continents. But instead, they were just once upon a time, the ocean bed, and then they

00:41:44.060 were pushed up when the tectonic plates came together. So, Andrew, here's a question for you.

00:41:49.620 Let's say the theory is correct. Let's say this actually is Noah's Ark there.

00:41:54.760 Judging by the size and shape of it, what do you personally think about the story of one of each

00:42:01.260 kind of animal on this boat or two of each kind of animal two of each sorry two of each kind of

00:42:05.640 animal on this boat and like eight people to restart humanity what like what do you think

00:42:11.780 about that does the discovery of this being actually noah's ark does that then have everyone

00:42:18.160 else the rest of science rethink the creation story or where stuff actually comes from or do

00:42:24.400 you think it's allegory well i actually believe in a literal creation myself uh that god did

00:42:31.640 create the world uh the question on the text though for noah's ark how do you get uh two of

00:42:36.960 every kind and even the they have you know they have the clean animals they call it and the unclean

00:42:41.180 and so for the clean animals there are seven pairs uh so because they use them for sacrifices

00:42:47.120 afterwards like the sheep uh and eating uh so they can't kill off if you only had two sheep

00:42:52.980 you killed one for a sacrifice and then they go extinct uh so but in you know in the biblical

00:42:58.660 account it's uh the the to every kind there's debate uh like what does that mean is it uh

00:43:04.880 the the species like what level in the i forget how you call this where you're dealing with

00:43:10.780 the different branches of the animal kingdom or the plant life right is it one type of master

00:43:17.080 dog for example like a wolf the dire wolf that everything came from that you know i i watched

00:43:22.460 his netflix film a number of years ago and it was about the history of dogs and i was bored

00:43:26.920 and it talked about a couple hundred years ago they only had a couple breeds out there

00:43:32.520 but because of like really select selecting different traits and then creating like

00:43:37.600 miniature poodles and you know and big you know german shepherds and all this now you have i don't

00:43:43.620 know how many breeds you have out there but there's definitely a probably a hundred or more

00:43:47.000 but you know and this was in the last couple hundred years so you can't say every type of

00:43:51.620 dog was on the ark um it's it's a good question because uh you know i wasn't there uh but if you

00:43:57.800 look at the size so if you take the royal egyptian cubit by the way is the longer cubit it's called

00:44:02.700 in the bible the old testament the former cubit or a cubit in a hand breath so you have the cubit

00:44:07.800 and then i say or a hand breath or an extra hand breath on top it basically it's the longest form

00:44:12.340 of measurement like we have the metric like in meters you have a minute millimeters centimeters

00:44:17.520 and then meters, well, and kilometers.

00:44:20.540 So you could say like this would be the meters

00:44:22.680 and then you have smaller, shorter cubits,

00:44:25.760 they call it the Hebrew cubits. 0.75

00:44:27.440 So you're looking at this site we're dealing with,

00:44:30.240 the Durupanar site, using the longer cubits.

00:44:32.440 So it's the largest size for Noah's Ark.

00:44:34.680 If you use the shorter cubit,

00:44:35.940 you're both going to be 450 feet long versus 515.

00:44:41.100 And then you have this idea,

00:44:42.900 is it really the, is it including the thickness of the hull?

00:44:46.820 If this was a global storm you're dealing with, how much protection?

00:44:50.220 Was it a thin hull of wood?

00:44:51.800 Was it really giant, like 20 feet thick wood and boat?

00:44:55.240 And so as debris is barging, hitting against it, it's plowing through the ocean, whatever, to protect the people inside.

00:45:01.720 How thick was the hull?

00:45:03.020 Was the measurements just inside or all the way outside?

00:45:06.320 If you want to do the maximum capacity, you'll do inside measurements.

00:45:09.880 You'll use the Royal Egyptian Cubit, which our site is the Royal Egyptian Cubit.

00:45:13.920 And then you have to ask the question like,

00:45:15.740 well, how many animals could fit on there?

00:45:17.700 Could it float with all those animals?

00:45:19.320 And I think there was a study done

00:45:20.480 by British students in physics,

00:45:23.020 maybe 2009 or eight,

00:45:25.360 but it's out there published, peer-reviewed published.

00:45:28.000 And they even said they were surprised

00:45:29.820 that the study results

00:45:31.060 because they were showing that

00:45:32.060 if you take an average size of an animal,

00:45:34.440 and most people think you're going to bring

00:45:35.580 a big elephant on the ark,

00:45:36.740 what if it was an adolescent or a baby?

00:45:38.640 So smaller size.

00:45:40.080 And what if they hibernated?

00:45:40.960 You know, one year on the ark, they're sleeping mainly.

00:45:44.800 So no one in his family doesn't have to run around every day and feed them all.

00:45:47.860 You know, there's many ideas on this.

00:45:49.180 I wasn't there.

00:45:50.260 But the study said, if you take the size of a sheep, I think they said the boat could float with two million sheep.

00:45:56.980 So I think it was two million.

00:45:58.460 If I'm misquoting that, people can correct me.

00:46:01.120 It's got me thinking about cruise ships, like modern cruise ships.

00:46:03.980 How many sheep are on those?

00:46:05.260 A lot.

00:46:05.880 I mean, it depends on what you mean by sheep.

00:46:07.700 And they feed them all day.

00:46:08.640 Yeah.

00:46:09.680 You know what's interesting?

00:46:10.580 there was an open buffet is this idea that once you get into the logistics like if you if if this

00:46:18.100 is actually noah's ark then all of the things that come with it right because um even if you go okay

00:46:26.440 but there was a giant flood and that has nothing to do with god it's like okay but somebody compelled

00:46:32.240 noah to create this ark and compelled noah to bring all these animals on here so you got a real

00:46:38.660 hard time getting around god as soon as you start to entertain the idea that this is really

00:46:42.500 noah's ark well and once god is in the picture all things are possible so whether or not these

00:46:47.360 animals were in hibernation whether or not they were docile they were in a catatonic state

00:46:52.220 they were you know fast who knows um the point is you are now having to concede if you're a

00:46:59.780 materialistic archaeologist that there is a supernatural element to this because how on

00:47:05.120 earth could noah have forecasted that there was going to be this massive flood to the extent that

00:47:10.040 he had to dump all of these time and resources into creating and then somehow uh take on the

00:47:15.220 immeasurable task of pulling in all these animals and and having them all coexist with one another

00:47:20.160 immediately the supernatural god is on the table and and once that's in there man i mean trying to

00:47:27.900 figure out the logistics of it it's like it's it's almost a fool's errand yeah yeah you know

00:47:32.860 You can see why people don't want to believe the story at all because if they concede, as you mentioned, then that means there's a supernatural element that they have to believe in, which for them is impossible.

00:47:44.200 So when I talk to people, and I have friends on both sides, whether they're Christian or non-Christian, who think it's natural or man-made or some other thing, like a Mongolian forge or something.

00:47:53.160 But if you think there's no God, then when I tell you this could possibly, even possibly be Noah's Ark, that's like saying to them, and I use this analogy a lot, but I say, well, it's like looking for someone going to me and say, hey, Andrew, why don't you join my expedition? Give me some money. I'm going to go look for Santa's house at the North Pole. And I think I know where it's at. I've seen on Google Satellite this square shape up there. I think it's his house.

00:48:17.100 you know i'll be right away like okay i don't care what you saw it's not no it's not i mean

00:48:21.680 it's not santa's house and that's how people see christians or believers looking for nozark or even

00:48:26.780 saying something is nozark it can't be so it has to be natural it has to be something else

00:48:31.260 because if they concede on this point that there's a possibility that it existed and there's data

00:48:36.080 showing it that existed then you have to concede on a whole bunch of other issues um now i've seen

00:48:41.440 people who believe in long earth and like so you have people who believe in like earth is a billion

00:48:46.240 years old or six billion years old but they still say okay nozark is a is a story that uh maybe it

00:48:52.880 means it's a regional flood so but you have so many issues on and when you try to do that you

00:48:58.460 have to figure out well then uh how did the ark get up to where it's at if it's regional it must

00:49:03.120 be quite a flood because everyone tries to put it down to mesopotamia modern day iraq because of the

00:49:08.340 other stories but the worldwide story flood stories are you know they're everywhere so you can't just

00:49:12.780 say, well, let's choose Mesopotamia. And then you're wondering how do they go from almost sea

00:49:16.840 level over these mountains all the way up to the Drupinor site, a thousand kilometers away

00:49:21.420 where we're at today. So I think if you believe in a worldwide flood, it makes the most perfect

00:49:27.260 sense as how did this boat shape get here? I was talking last week to a British reporter

00:49:31.980 and she was there for the governor's news conference. And she was asking me, she said,

00:49:37.140 Well, just because you prove it's a boat, how do you know it's Noah's Ark?

00:49:42.380 And so I immediately, I mean, I started thinking about this.

00:49:44.760 I said, well, what else could it be?

00:49:46.440 You're dealing with something that's 300 cubits long.

00:49:49.380 You're nowhere near a body of water right now.

00:49:52.240 There's no evidence that there was a lake on that mountainside.

00:49:55.220 So what else could it be?

00:49:57.100 So I think people will always question, even if you show, if we can move the debate right now from,

00:50:03.400 is it a syncline or bedrock to okay it's a man-made structure there in the shape of a boat

00:50:09.620 then i think we won most of the battle because that's the biggest thing if after this season

00:50:14.340 after the soil test and these other surprises we have if we can show that there's man-made

00:50:19.020 structure in there then the next question is what else could it be and so then i've heard two crazy

00:50:26.000 ones i heard someone say well no this was back in the 90s someone uh an author said well this was the

00:50:31.920 the replica that Constantine the Great made you know he converted the Roman Empire to Christianity

00:50:37.340 and his mother was going around finding all the holy sites you know Saint Helena and she found

00:50:42.460 like you know Calvary and the traditional Mount Sinai in Egypt and so the greatest archaeologist

00:50:48.420 that she found these sites for pilgrims well this site's way off the beaten path there's zero

00:50:53.060 historical documents from any historian church historian the Vatican or whoever that they made

00:50:57.900 a replica of the ark right here at the drop in our site or anywhere so that was one 30 days so

00:51:03.140 they're they're willing to admit that it was a boat but not the noah's ark uh the other one

00:51:07.340 someone threw out i was recently asked by this by uh pastor um jim scudder jr on his in grace

00:51:12.420 uh podcast or tv show he asked he said well uh someone has said that this could be a mongolian

00:51:18.300 fort what do you say to that so it's a man-made structure but it's a fort i said well if you

00:51:22.740 look at where it's at on the mountainside it's not like high up on the pinnacle of a peak or

00:51:27.560 a cliff it's actually down in a valley with two mountain two hills on this mountain side two hills

00:51:32.840 beside it and the visitor center is right beside it you can easily as invaders or enemies of this

00:51:38.480 mongolian fort just shoot arrows right down on top of them it's the worst location and why would 0.68

00:51:43.940 they make you the ship shape you know that's interesting as far as the tactical location goes 0.97

00:51:48.400 for your enemies to be able to get the high ground on either side of where you're pretty much trapped

00:51:53.300 and then rain arrows down on you not really a great uh tactical advantage there

00:51:57.380 that's interesting no no yeah can we talk about um the pushback then because we're kind of in

00:52:06.740 that realm right of pushback and people that don't want to believe this is the case and i'm not saying

00:52:10.780 that anybody should believe this is the case but i think it's fair just understanding human nature

00:52:15.340 that sometimes disbelief in something comes from just reason and rationale and then other times

00:52:22.520 it comes because of a bias, right, that your worldview is predicated on this not being the case.

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00:53:35.080 Recently, Lauren Witzke, who's been working with you, posted that you had a bit of an issue.

00:53:42.600 seems that people kicked in your apartment door out there and ransacked what they thought was

00:53:50.380 going to be hard drive related data recorded related and um and then an interesting situation

00:53:57.220 where the people that might have executed this seem to have been speaking english um seem to

00:54:04.960 have been americans that's a that's a really crazy situation can you start us on that story

00:54:11.040 what really happened there and and why did it happen

00:54:14.120 yeah so lauren uh joined she's a volunteer with our group but she's done an amazing job in her

00:54:21.920 team just getting the word out on social media i told her this story it happened earlier in the

00:54:27.360 year at the start of the season um but we just kept it quiet we wanted to focus on the work we

00:54:31.640 don't want people to think that they're they're able to do this to us um sure but uh so what

00:54:36.200 happened the week before the the break-in uh two times about one or two in the morning a.m

00:54:42.940 sleeping it's only bang bang bang like who's at my door at this hour you know and i'm by myself

00:54:50.280 first floor apartment but there's a little people of course so i'm looking out the hole

00:54:54.540 but the lights outside is very dim in this it's a stairwell um stairway there right in the hallway

00:55:00.340 and so the light is just half broken kind of i can't tell who it is but they're speaking through

00:55:05.460 the door they're saying but it's not it wasn't american no the accent was local speaking english 0.98

00:55:10.700 broken english and they're using you know curse words oh i'm gonna f you come out i'm gonna kill 0.88

00:55:15.620 you um open the door um and i kept doing that for a little bit so that i called my friend right away 0.96

00:55:21.940 the biggest tallest kurdish guy i knew i said hey get over here someone is trying to either break

00:55:27.840 down the door harm me or they're making threats but they're outside banging on my door in english

00:55:31.700 It's not in Kurdish or Turkish.

00:55:33.620 So this guy comes over.

00:55:34.920 But by the time he gets there, you know, it's 1 a.m.

00:55:36.660 So I had to wake him up, constantly calling him.

00:55:38.940 And he finally gets there, and he goes around and looks around.

00:55:41.120 No one's there.

00:55:43.100 And then we find out later from the landlord, the camera doesn't work,

00:55:46.100 this one security camera, because I'm on this first floor.

00:55:48.780 So as you go in through the door, which has no outside key to it,

00:55:52.020 it's open all the time because there's a bar on the very top floor.

00:55:55.140 So for customers to go to that bar and use the elevator,

00:55:58.120 they have the door always unlocked.

00:55:59.600 And so it's not like only people living in an apartment can get in.

00:56:02.300 Everyone can get in.

00:56:04.000 So anyways, his one security camera in that hallway at ground level, then it worked.

00:56:08.160 And he said, oh, I'll fix it.

00:56:09.020 I said, okay, great.

00:56:10.020 A week or two weeks later, same thing happened about the same time.

00:56:13.460 Bang on the door.

00:56:14.460 My friend who I brought in the first time, he is not answering.

00:56:18.040 Later he said he was out of town.

00:56:19.920 But I called another friend.

00:56:21.160 And this guy shows up with a certain type of weapon.

00:56:24.160 And he's really concerned for me.

00:56:25.300 He said, and he was looking around and he's armed and he's looking for whoever's doing this to me.

00:56:30.400 So we never find the person that night.

00:56:33.840 But I tell the guy, I said, look, this is the second time.

00:56:35.920 He didn't know that.

00:56:36.980 He said, oh, you didn't tell me.

00:56:37.960 I said, you know, I had another friend who was taller than you.

00:56:39.960 I called.

00:56:40.940 But I said, you know, this guy, I told him, I said, I don't feel safe.

00:56:44.740 He said, do you want me to stay here at the night for you?

00:56:46.820 I'll sleep on the couch.

00:56:48.080 Or do you want to go to my home? 1.00

00:56:49.460 I call my wife and she can make a bed for you and all that.

00:56:51.760 And I said, look, I actually want to leave the place.

00:56:54.700 i don't want to come back here i don't know like if someone is really out to get me they don't know

00:56:59.240 you're in here they could then break down and then there'll be a big mess with you and them

00:57:02.700 and me and so i just thought i just leave and his home is further out of the town of the city here

00:57:08.720 so i packed them like grab bag type thing i just packed fast everything i could think of

00:57:13.720 in a little carry-on suitcase into my backpacks i got my main new laptop it's my it's my baby i got

00:57:19.920 some donors got it for me.

00:57:22.560 So I got that for sure. I got my two big

00:57:24.540 hard drives, 16 terabyte drives

00:57:26.580 each of them for all my backups.

00:57:28.640 But I had a whole bunch of other drives

00:57:30.380 the little SSD drives. I had

00:57:32.500 a ton of those, like 10 or more.

00:57:34.680 And all my gear I left, I just couldn't take it all.

00:57:36.700 So I took some clothes, of course my passport

00:57:38.540 and wallet. And then I took

00:57:40.480 my drone. Someone

00:57:42.460 had given me a drone to use here and it's hard to get

00:57:44.500 those sometimes. So that was it.

00:57:46.660 I left and I thought, okay, I'll have a friend come

00:57:48.440 later, pack it up. I'm going to put everything in storage and figure out what I'm going to do.

00:57:52.100 I'm not going to stay at this place anymore. But this is during the middle of a tour.

00:57:56.300 So I had to deal with the next day, tourists, being excited and happy.

00:57:59.900 And back of my mind, I'm thinking someone's out to get me or whatever. I don't know who they are,

00:58:04.020 what their motivation is. A week later, we're down in Southeast Turkey near Gobekli Tepe.

00:58:08.660 You've probably heard of that site. We're actually at Nimrut Da, the mountain with the big statues,

00:58:12.960 the Greek king who put his tomb up there. We're out there. It's five in the morning,

00:58:17.320 I think it was. And I'm sleeping in the hotel there. I get this phone call. Whatever reason,

00:58:21.140 I left my phone on. Usually turn it off at night. And I pick it up and it's a WhatsApp video call.

00:58:26.200 It's from a friend. So I'm like, why is he calling me with the video? So I answer and he's in my

00:58:30.240 apartment with this flashlight on or his light on his phone on. He's showing me around my apartment.

00:58:35.460 I'm so confused because it's 5am. I'm like, what are you doing? And he said, Andrew, someone broke

00:58:40.540 in your apartment. And he goes back and shows the front door. There's like a footprint mark on the

00:58:44.160 door and it was a metal door but it showed it was bent in so i don't know if they just kept using

00:58:48.420 their feet that no one heard it it was just so strange but they broke in and then he i said go

00:58:53.480 look at all the apartment like what's missing like so he's showing me around like nothing's

00:58:57.040 taken then he gets to my bedroom which has the office in it by the big window and he gets that

00:59:01.880 in and it's all a mess and this whole um you've probably seen the photos that lauren put up

00:59:07.100 because i shared it with her because she really wanted to see what would happen uh but uh the

00:59:12.740 The bookcase beside my desk had all this gear, audio gear, other drones, underwater cameras, and other cameras itself.

00:59:20.480 Then all the hard drives on the other shelf, all gone.

00:59:23.220 Nothing there.

00:59:23.600 I think the one microphone that was connected to my desk was still there.

00:59:27.840 And the desk itself, one of the other laptops was missing.

00:59:31.120 Everything else was there.

00:59:32.080 I don't think they wanted to read.

00:59:33.260 I have a library.

00:59:34.980 But they didn't take any clothes or anything in the kitchen.

00:59:38.280 So it was targeted for that one room.

00:59:40.160 Now, maybe they just wanted – they said, oh, you're American.

00:59:43.140 You have some money.

00:59:43.880 You have some gear.

00:59:44.520 We can resell.

00:59:45.780 But why bring the hard drives?

00:59:46.980 Okay, I guess Samsung SSDs could be expensive these days with AI and everything.

00:59:52.000 But at the same time, they did take all the hard drives.

00:59:56.300 And my friend called the police.

00:59:58.360 The apartment was actually under his name.

01:00:00.160 So he got involved with the police too.

01:00:02.160 And they came in, they dusted everything.

01:00:03.600 yeah so it was uh you know that was uh what was that in may when they did all that and i haven't

01:00:10.760 heard like a final report on anything like that my friend hired an attorney uh because i guess

01:00:16.020 here you need an attorney to talk to the prosecutor to talk to the police and get the latest updates

01:00:20.900 but i left i never came back and so i've been with the um the archaeologists in their hotel

01:00:27.240 for the whole season well i mean it's smart smart to get out of dodge but what do you think i mean

01:00:32.020 well how big was that footprint yeah that's a good question well you know the nephilim no

01:00:37.700 exactly and you know i i'd be interested to talk to a little bit about that but

01:00:42.060 what you're dealing with is something that would change things dramatically i said on a show

01:00:50.780 recently we were talking about you know the the research that you're doing and i said this would

01:00:56.740 do a number on atheism for sure you would have to concede that even if you are a materialist

01:01:04.240 there is something beyond or i guess you wouldn't have to you could stay right where you are but uh

01:01:09.880 many people would concede that there is a supernatural element to this world and i feel

01:01:13.680 like over the last six years people have really been coming around to that if you look to the

01:01:18.960 epsteins of the world and you know people have had the curtain pulled back and the idea that the

01:01:23.480 upper class, that the hyper wealthy in some cases are communing with something that is

01:01:28.440 supernatural and looks foolish to the average person, but is something that's really important

01:01:33.220 and seems to be a cornerstone of what these, you know, multi-billionaires are dealing with.

01:01:39.020 So we would move into a place, I think, where atheism would be pretty scarce, far and few in

01:01:45.280 between. And instead, what you would be left with is something that would be comprised of believers 0.61

01:01:51.420 and then people who would also believe

01:01:54.520 but would say something to the effect of,

01:01:56.800 so God then is evil, right?

01:01:59.640 Because here we have proof that God has flooded

01:02:02.260 and destroyed the world. 1.00

01:02:04.280 And so those who are in that Gnostic camp 0.97

01:02:06.680 who believe that were imprisoned by the Demiurge

01:02:09.580 or something like that would actually have something else

01:02:12.500 to just further them into that camp.

01:02:15.560 But I say all that to highlight

01:02:18.080 what this would do to our perception of reality not just in America but around the world and so

01:02:27.560 it strikes me as likely that there would be some status quo that would want to prevent that sort

01:02:34.240 of shift now I heard you say that you have you know gear and you're from America this could be

01:02:41.040 a fair enough reason for somebody to want to kick the door in and take these things but what sort

01:02:45.980 of thought have you given to something like what i just laid out and is there anything else that

01:02:51.280 maybe falls into that category that makes you think maybe there is i mean at some point you

01:02:56.780 have to be entertaining the idea there are probably people that don't want me to uh do any

01:03:01.600 sort of meaningful research here well yeah it's um you know without saying um i want to be careful

01:03:11.180 because number one i don't want to blame the locals i live among them we they help us we help

01:03:16.180 them there's definitely a whole large majority of them who are very positive to what we're doing

01:03:21.200 and very hospitable and very kind and help very helpful whenever i need something like the guys

01:03:28.100 who show up at 2 a.m they could have just ignored my phone call oh you're an american tourist okay

01:03:32.500 i'll talk in the morning you know no they get up out of bed get armed come out to my apartment

01:03:37.520 look around on their own, see if they need to take any action.

01:03:43.940 Are we dealing with satanic elements or whatever else you want to call it?

01:03:48.400 I definitely believe the people who did it were inspired or possessed.

01:03:53.060 No one in their right mind, even I met very kind atheists,

01:03:57.660 people who are normal.

01:03:59.240 They're not going to go and break in someone's home

01:04:00.840 and do it every other week, knock on the door at 2 a.m.

01:04:03.780 Like, why aren't you in bed? 0.99

01:04:04.540 knock on the door and say like i'm gonna kill you f you like why uh so there's a motivation there to 0.99

01:04:10.920 scare someone and then that leads into oh okay but maybe they saw that i was gone there's a perfect 0.99

01:04:16.320 opportunity to rob or maybe they were banging on the door for a while and i didn't answer they

01:04:19.500 thought i'm gonna come in and kill me or whatever and no one is there so they're gonna take everything

01:04:23.600 they think is um valuable to me or some people say maybe the nose arc research it's hard to know

01:04:29.480 yes thoughts have been

01:04:32.180 I've talked to this with many friends

01:04:34.120 I was scared that second time

01:04:35.360 first time thinking okay bunch of kids

01:04:36.940 I called my friend to come over that first time

01:04:39.360 but at the same time I was thinking okay random

01:04:41.520 this is the first time it's happened to me

01:04:43.100 so it will be done

01:04:44.260 my friend didn't find anyone so we all went back to bed

01:04:47.400 next two weeks later

01:04:49.620 when it happens or a week later

01:04:50.820 I'm like okay this is

01:04:52.300 and it's the same sounding person

01:04:54.500 broken English but they're targeting

01:04:56.680 my front door and at the same

01:04:58.880 hour, 1 or 2 a.m., that's when I was really scared.

01:05:02.640 That's why I left. And I was thankful. If I just left and did not take all that

01:05:06.900 gear, it would have been gone. I am so thankful that even though it was late at night

01:05:10.940 and I was thinking of what just happened, I grabbed those two hard drives that was a backup

01:05:14.820 of all the other drives. I think some of the drives were not fully backed up yet

01:05:18.880 so I had some data missing. But I had my new laptop, which was very

01:05:22.900 expensive. The old laptop, thankfully, all that data was

01:05:26.540 A couple of days before this happened, because I was moving data from one laptop to the other.

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01:06:31.520 The old laptop I had backed up to my new laptop.

01:06:33.900 So I had whatever data that was not on any hard drives,

01:06:36.420 but the laptop all with me.

01:06:38.680 The old laptop was going to be like the work beast

01:06:41.540 where you can run AI or whatever,

01:06:43.260 you know, all through the night.

01:06:45.500 And then my new laptop was, I can carry with me.

01:06:48.940 So yes, it feels really horrible

01:06:51.160 that they stole all that stuff.

01:06:52.620 And it just felt like, you know, growing up in, I think it was middle school, my parents' house was burglarized and they stole all my dad's stuff.

01:07:02.300 They targeted only the mail, like his tools, some of his clothes and things like that, and mail detector.

01:07:08.180 At that time, this feels violated.

01:07:10.020 Like you come home from school and the front doors open, so you have to call the police and it's all broken.

01:07:14.200 And same here.

01:07:15.280 You just felt like, oh, this is my home.

01:07:16.800 This is my office.

01:07:17.800 Who is coming in there to scare me?

01:07:19.820 Number one, it's probably the same people who broke in, you know, the next two or three weeks later.

01:07:24.100 So you always, that feeling is not a good feeling.

01:07:27.420 And then my friends got really scared for me here.

01:07:29.900 They said, Andrew, and this is true.

01:07:31.280 They said, you cannot go downtown or after dark on your own.

01:07:35.080 So the first three months of this project, the project was three months long.

01:07:39.820 But I should say maybe the first two months, July and August, they always made sure they were with me.

01:07:45.440 Just go to the barber, go to the shop, you know, go shopping, anything, restaurant.

01:07:49.000 that I had somebody with me.

01:07:51.080 And one time I didn't.

01:07:51.960 I had to go to the barber.

01:07:53.240 I didn't tell him somebody.

01:07:54.420 And then I told one of the friends who came at 1 a.m.

01:07:56.780 I said, oh, by the way, I'm downtown right now.

01:07:58.220 He said, why are you downtown?

01:07:59.460 I said, oh, I'm just getting in a shave.

01:08:00.520 He said, you need to tell me where you're at

01:08:02.000 and where you're going.

01:08:03.000 He was so mad at me.

01:08:04.860 But I said, look, you're suffocating me.

01:08:07.900 You're smothering me.

01:08:08.900 Like, I want my freedom here.

01:08:10.640 But they were looking out.

01:08:11.900 So these are good friends, you know,

01:08:13.000 but they really concerned.

01:08:14.100 They told me a story where, you know,

01:08:15.700 this is a safe town.

01:08:16.660 A lot of tourists here, people hiking Mount Ararat,

01:08:18.520 thousands of people a year.

01:08:20.420 And of course, they're up in our sites here and things like that.

01:08:22.880 So people come out here.

01:08:26.420 Well, he was a Turkish or Kurdish guy from another town.

01:08:30.000 He started a tourism business here.

01:08:32.200 I guess I could tell the story, but he was very successful.

01:08:35.860 Jealousy sat in.

01:08:36.760 Somebody shot him in the middle of the day in the main downtown area,

01:08:39.540 but they never caught the guy.

01:08:40.580 People never reported who they saw,

01:08:42.920 but the guy was shot in the head in the middle of the day.

01:08:45.260 And this is my friend telling me this.

01:08:46.820 I'm thinking, oh, so definitely day or night, you can be attacked out here.

01:08:53.020 Yeah, you know, I really believe in angels and God's protection, but I also believe you

01:08:57.820 have to be logical and smart and not put yourself in harm's way.

01:09:02.300 So I stay at this hotel a lot.

01:09:05.520 And when I need to go somewhere, I do have people I tell or they go with me.

01:09:10.320 It's a fascinating situation because I didn't realize it's dangerous, but thousands of people

01:09:14.340 are hiking that.

01:09:15.160 Tourists are right there.

01:09:16.820 It's also fascinating that thousands of people are hiking this location where they might be within a close proximity to Noah's Ark.

01:09:23.500 What a wild dynamic.

01:09:25.260 And the tourist companies, this has really helped our site.

01:09:28.020 So I can thank these groups because when AERAT was open for tourists, it was closed a long, long time.

01:09:33.360 People were illegally claiming it.

01:09:35.080 But now it's open for everyone.

01:09:36.240 That's why I say there's no Ark up there.

01:09:37.840 These thousands of tourists would have taken a selfie with the Ark if it's just sitting up there like some people said.

01:09:42.480 But these companies, as part of their final day to relax, they'll take them to the local tourist sites, which includes the Durepanar and Ozark site.

01:09:49.080 So we get people who wouldn't come on their own, didn't even know about our site, coming through the visitor center.

01:09:54.020 And we're able to educate them about their research and show them videos and posters in the visitor center.

01:09:59.620 And they can go out and take a picture of the boat shape.

01:10:02.160 So they're climbing mainly for sports, not to look for the art. 0.58

01:10:06.460 The Eastern Europeans, Central Europeans, Russians, Ukrainians, they go there for that.

01:10:11.620 then afterwards they come through our site. So. Very interesting. Let's talk about that

01:10:19.060 research a little bit more. So we alluded earlier to the idea that you're waiting on these core

01:10:23.240 samples to, to come back. What are you hoping to find? What's the best case scenario in your

01:10:29.220 estimation to find in these core samples or what might be irrefutable? You know, if you could get

01:10:35.240 something back that would be tangible and would be, you know, pretty close to irrefutable for

01:10:40.480 people what would that look like um i i think the biggest thing we were talking about earlier

01:10:47.840 it's moving from the uh natural like the debate whether it's a natural object but created by

01:10:53.060 geology to no this is actually uh there's some structure or evidence of man-made activity below

01:10:58.060 the ground i think that's where you have to get to irrefutable would be okay if i if i can find

01:11:03.020 the remains partial remains even of three decks that match because the bible says no we have the

01:11:07.820 the width or the length and people can argue okay was it the smaller or longer cubit you know is this

01:11:13.160 a just coincidence that you have 300 cubits long object but uh what if you get inside there now you

01:11:18.120 have the bible says there were three decks to the ark and you have remains of three layers

01:11:22.540 then that's another piece that matches the biblical record that's not in other accounts

01:11:27.300 uh so yeah and then what if you can find the remains of the of the one opening on the ark

01:11:31.600 even if the ark is broken down and you have maybe like the roof is gone and all that so you can then

01:11:36.540 and say, okay, what's left of it?

01:11:38.820 Well, what if there's the hall,

01:11:39.920 but you have the bottom part of a big door?

01:11:41.980 The Bible says there's one door.

01:11:43.520 I'm just thinking of things that you have in the Bible

01:11:45.280 that you can find archaeologically that will match.

01:11:48.340 And then you can say, okay, this has to be the biblical ark

01:11:51.260 because you have the remains of three floors,

01:11:53.280 you have one door, you have 300 cubits long,

01:11:55.320 and it's a ship.

01:11:56.480 So what other ship could it be?

01:11:58.120 But if you find five floors and you find five doors,

01:12:01.700 then there's a problem there.

01:12:03.120 It wouldn't match the biblical ark.

01:12:05.400 So I think irrefutable would go to that

01:12:08.120 where if you can find the remains of a ship underground,

01:12:11.160 like I don't know if you've seen the movie

01:12:12.540 that Netflix did,

01:12:13.580 and I even knew about this site before the movie

01:12:15.280 because I was interested in how it compares to Noah's Ark.

01:12:17.880 And this is the Sutton Hoo boat in England,

01:12:21.220 northeast of London,

01:12:23.240 out in, I don't know what that area is called.

01:12:26.080 But anyways, they found, it was a burial balance.

01:12:28.560 It had a hill and the archaeologists knew

01:12:30.300 that something was buried inside there.

01:12:31.740 so right before world war ii in the 1930s they excavated it and they got down to where the hall

01:12:38.040 was and it turned out to be a they thought a viking burial ship full of treasure they don't

01:12:43.520 know if it even floated they might have just been built and put on the ground to bury the guy in

01:12:47.800 but the hall of the ship was gone you can pull up these uh black white photos you go to the

01:12:52.760 british museum they have the artifacts and what it showed was that this perfect hall imprint was

01:12:57.600 in the soil down at that level when i got down in there and all these oxidized rivets that held

01:13:02.740 the boards together these iron metal rivets were all lined up row after row still down there like

01:13:08.460 a big clump each one but uh you know this is from the middle ages but uh and then a friend one of

01:13:14.080 our sulacian archaeologists uh who are who's on the team officially uh he's a master's degree in

01:13:18.740 archaeology he just sent me yesterday this story that's in the press in serbia we're on um i thought

01:13:24.660 It was the Danube River.

01:13:25.540 I'm not sure if it goes through that area,

01:13:26.700 but it was on a river bank.

01:13:28.480 The archaeologists had uncovered 2,000-year-old Roman ships

01:13:31.660 that were, because the river had changed,

01:13:34.200 it had changed and buried in the silt, the ship.

01:13:37.540 Then it changed back.

01:13:38.560 So now the ship is underground but on land.

01:13:41.440 It was more than one ship.

01:13:42.960 But they were able to find, they had the photographs of,

01:13:45.120 like you see this hall in the ground wood.

01:13:47.400 So it depends on the condition of the soil.

01:13:49.140 But if those conditions are right,

01:13:50.660 we could possibly find the hall of Noah's Ark down below.

01:13:54.020 It wouldn't be totally oxidized away or whatever, rotted away and decayed.

01:13:59.900 Then one other story I'll tell you really quickly is that a couple months ago, YouTube knows the algorithms.

01:14:04.920 They know what you watch.

01:14:05.980 And one video showed up, and it was this excavation 100 years ago in New York City where they were digging one of the tunnels for the subway system.

01:14:14.880 And they came across – they're 20 feet down, according to the article and the video.

01:14:18.900 They came across the hull of a ship.

01:14:20.780 And that was so surprising to the engineers, like, what's a ship doing 20 feet under the ground?

01:14:25.420 And so they fully excavated it from the top down.

01:14:27.980 And you see on the video and some of the articles from back then, the photographs, and all that's remains of these ships, there's two of them they found, were the hulls, the bottom part of the boat.

01:14:39.020 But the wood was still there for the hull.

01:14:40.820 And after doing their archaeological investigation work, they discovered that at least one of them was 350 years old or something.

01:14:47.840 It was from New Amsterdam when the city was the Dutch city before the English took over.

01:14:53.700 These are examples of how different wooden boats decay over time and how they can be preserved based on the dirt and soil and location.

01:15:04.440 So for Noah's Ark, we're not 100% sure what's down there.

01:15:06.860 We know the radar is showing results that suggest it's not random rubble, that there's something there and layers, right angles, possible openings of like voids or cavities have been filled in, but they're preserving the shape.

01:15:20.400 So that's things we want to get down into and investigate.

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01:16:24.640 This might be a foolish question, but what about something related to animal DNA?

01:16:29.680 Is there any potentiality for finding something like that?

01:16:32.560 I mean, if you have even one sample that has species that aren't native to that area and also seemingly more than one species that are totally distinct from one another.

01:16:44.860 Well, is it even a possibility to recover that kind of DNA?

01:16:49.120 Yeah, I don't know. Is that something that's on the table?

01:16:52.940 It is, actually.

01:16:53.700 So if you think about it, Noah's Ark was a floating zoo, basically.

01:16:59.580 They had to use the rest of the animals.

01:17:01.080 So you can either think of their petrified or dung or whatever they left behind, fibers, the fur, the hair, human activity.

01:17:11.200 The site was open for thousands of years.

01:17:12.980 Based on the ancient historians, we know the site was not destroyed right after the flood and consumed by Noah and his three sons.

01:17:18.760 So you had four families.

01:17:19.680 They didn't build big mansions of wood.

01:17:21.260 So the Ark was sitting there, parts of it.

01:17:23.700 it's slowly decaying, people go see it.

01:17:27.320 So we know up to 2,000 years ago,

01:17:28.860 and Josephus, the ancient Jewish historian

01:17:30.620 who quotes other historians like Morosius from 250 BC,

01:17:34.760 these are people from the time of Christ,

01:17:36.140 before and after, who say pilgrims

01:17:38.800 could go see the remains of the ark.

01:17:40.840 And for me, that's like, so for me,

01:17:42.400 I don't even doubt the story.

01:17:43.480 Then the Bible, as a believer, I say,

01:17:44.880 okay, it's in the Bible.

01:17:45.700 But now we have documents outside the Bible

01:17:47.500 from thousands of years ago,

01:17:49.220 and thousands of years after the event of the flood,

01:17:52.020 saying you could go see the remains.

01:17:53.700 And then this got forgotten and lost in time.

01:17:56.660 But what I was getting at is that, so yeah, you know, the site is open.

01:18:00.180 So maybe people camp there, maybe animals or like dogs and cats or sheep went through

01:18:05.040 it and, you know, people slept there.

01:18:06.900 So it's not a pristine crime scene, but at the same time, as you mentioned, what if you

01:18:11.220 find DNA of an animal that doesn't normally live in this area, you know, like the giraffe

01:18:15.540 or elephant or something, then that changes it to like, okay, what is this ship shape

01:18:20.400 the size of nozark and we find dna of like the first elephant whatever you know so you know

01:18:26.340 those are things we've talked about and so we've contacted the company or actually a company

01:18:30.060 contacted us last year that that specializes in ancient dna recovery and they saw us a lot

01:18:36.260 they saw a news article in the new york post last may they got in contact with me and then one year

01:18:40.660 later we signed agreements and so they're uh officially as one of the partners they want to

01:18:46.300 be unnamed, how controversial Noah's Ark is. Of course, if you say, hey, there's a company

01:18:52.480 that's trying to recover ancient DNA, it just sounds like Jurassic Park and that's a whole

01:18:56.440 other thing. But there is a company with the expertise that's backed by a lot of money that's

01:19:03.400 involved for that part. I have a question. Where do you think Noah's Ark originated from? Because

01:19:11.980 a lot of your research and excavation is around where it landed and that's fascinating for because

01:19:18.180 it's not necessarily uh where humanity began but it's where humanity re-began um so my question

01:19:25.880 would be where do you think it departed from when this stuff started well and so this is the most

01:19:31.900 interesting thing i've had this discussion you know when you're dealing with this topic uh you

01:19:35.900 almost dream about it because it's always on your mind 30 years even before i even showed up here

01:19:40.740 30 years ago you have friends who just you know you sit around just talk about it that's one of

01:19:45.060 the topics is where did those are come from and just using the text alone you you can't find out

01:19:50.640 like we the bible doesn't say but if we can use that as our only text if you're going to say we

01:19:56.460 find wood or we find we're digging down into these areas that were the floor of whatever animals it

01:20:03.580 was that in that room a compartment and you're pulling out mud that covered it then you can look

01:20:09.040 for stuff like ancient pollen. You can look at

01:20:10.980 where did that tree come from? The gopher

01:20:12.820 that made Noah's Ark.

01:20:14.960 There is a whole bunch of stuff we can try to

01:20:16.880 figure out based on modern tools

01:20:18.780 of investigation. So maybe

01:20:20.860 a lot of creationists and people who believe

01:20:22.900 in the flood really do believe

01:20:24.960 that there was a giant continent called

01:20:26.920 the evolutionists call it Pangea

01:20:28.800 that over time all the continents had

01:20:31.000 split apart slowly and of course

01:20:32.660 those who advocate for a

01:20:34.980 flood will say it happened much faster

01:20:36.860 than millions of years. But

01:20:38.820 But what it does suggest is that somewhere in this giant continent, maybe there's evidence of where that type of tree was growing.

01:20:47.440 And you can maybe find the evidence for that type of tree looking now in North America or in South America.

01:20:52.660 And when you put the pieces back together, maybe they'll tell you where Noah cut down those trees to build the ark.

01:20:57.820 So there's many things that we can do once we get down inside there and get samples of, hopefully, get samples of material.

01:21:06.440 We have soil samples now, so maybe there's pollen in there.

01:21:10.100 We've hit rich organic layers that could be decayed, like oxidized wood,

01:21:16.580 just gone, but it's all rich organic soil like you find in the garden center

01:21:20.780 to put on your plants.

01:21:23.360 So we have those taken.

01:21:25.300 We haven't started the testing on that stuff yet.

01:21:27.900 But if we can also find preserved material that could tell us more

01:21:32.900 about where the ark was actually built.

01:21:34.600 so um when are you expecting these core samples back

01:21:39.920 well so right now everything you know there's a conspiracy right now in turkey in the news and a

01:21:46.620 couple days ago the professor called me said andrew this is what we're dealing with the

01:21:49.880 district governor's calling me the governor's calling me we have the the other people other

01:21:54.720 unnamed government agencies are calling me they said there's rumor now that the samples were

01:21:59.400 stolen and sent to america so because you know we have an american team here help i'm like oh really

01:22:04.680 this is in the turkish social media and press and so he had to assure them said no no all these

01:22:09.560 samples are in ankhre university is secure and they're and he even called the director of the

01:22:13.900 lab say okay can you make sure and tell me that the samples are still there yeah he said yeah

01:22:19.120 yeah they're all here so uh yeah people in this part of the world a lot of anti-american

01:22:24.920 conspiracy you can maybe understand why but definitely people people think that uh we're

01:22:31.180 looking for other things like even locals here will tell me oh you're not looking for noah's

01:22:34.480 ark that's not noah's ark you're looking for something else and i even had some members of

01:22:37.680 the team question me he said you gotta tell me they didn't even want to say it over whatsapp

01:22:42.060 they sent me a document to read um and they said read this document and get back to me so i read

01:22:47.360 it and i was like oh it was that basically saying are you sure you're looking for noah's ark because

01:22:51.360 you're wanting to go this deep with core drilling you want to do this and that are you looking for

01:22:55.540 other minerals or gold or something so i had to tell him exactly why we're doing each of these

01:23:00.800 things that we got a permit for uh but it but the whole point that it crossed his mind he had to

01:23:05.200 question us makes it just kind of shows this mentality like okay we don't trust the american

01:23:09.440 people here what are they doing what is what happens andrew if you guys strike oil yeah and

01:23:15.060 we accidentally imagine that oh no you know we had this uh that was a joke because we had the

01:23:21.340 big drilling unit and we were just joking among ourselves you know with the locals oh man yeah

01:23:26.540 we're going to hit oil here in uzengeli village which is the village right beside it they're

01:23:30.500 going to be rich and everyone's all laughing um yeah so yeah yeah i don't want to go down that

01:23:39.040 road right now but yeah that's the whole thing that was another joke they had they had me at

01:23:42.540 the local university every year i go do like a lecture for the english class and they practice

01:23:47.560 ask questions so one time i was out in the garden in an area of the university campus

01:23:51.500 and we're sitting in this gazebo in like a circle and we started talking about from politics to

01:23:56.720 movies and culture like about america versus turkey and uh so we got into superheroes i said

01:24:03.040 oh yeah i've been to batman there's a batman turkey and not because you know bat cave or

01:24:07.480 any superhero was there but what i don't know they say it's named after the river nearby which

01:24:10.780 still doesn't i don't understand why it's called batman but uh then i i then we had just talked

01:24:16.340 about i don't know it was trump or something but anyways i i mentioned that oh yeah i see a lot of

01:24:20.620 oil uh wells there but they do turkey mainly imports the oil but it has certain locations

01:24:25.320 in the country where they're they can drill and there's oil very small number of areas and i saw

01:24:29.920 them driving through could we drive through that area with my tour groups to go to southeast turkey

01:24:33.440 this is northern mesopotamia by the tigris river uh so and i mentioned that the whole all the

01:24:38.740 students started laughing. They said, oh, yeah, the Americans

01:24:40.860 will know where the oil is.

01:24:44.680 So I was like, no, no, no, that's my point.

01:24:46.760 We're not looking for oil. But back

01:24:48.820 to your question, the soil samples

01:24:51.100 that we have,

01:24:52.860 our goal is to have everything done by April

01:24:54.840 or May. That includes writing up the

01:24:56.740 reports, pairing all our data.

01:24:59.220 We'll start very, very soon.

01:25:01.320 So I think the first couple

01:25:02.780 samples will be analyzed

01:25:04.420 within the week. And then we have

01:25:06.700 over almost 400 samples of different material for different depths and so not everything is going

01:25:11.340 to be analyzed the same way uh but it will um there's certain there's special samples we marked

01:25:17.680 and then there's this okay it's soil but let's see what's in it type of samples so yeah we have

01:25:22.120 some surprises well you've you've gone through this process of getting all these turkish officials

01:25:26.340 to agree to this drilling and and you know it seems like you've got a relatively small team

01:25:32.280 just in the grand scheme of things what this could become and i kind of want to talk about

01:25:35.900 what this could become right if you if you find something that is um nearing irrefutable if it is

01:25:42.220 compelling if it really does change the conversation and people have to come to the

01:25:46.120 table earnestly and have a totally different conversation on what this is that's going to

01:25:51.280 change i mean people would be having i imagine pilgrimages to this to it would become some sort

01:25:57.200 of an idol to a certain degree in some people's eyes the teams that would descend upon this in

01:26:02.160 order to you know uh not only expedite the process of of you know uncovering what's there but also

01:26:07.960 to get um i hate to frame it this way but like a slice of the pie um if this is what you suspect

01:26:16.000 that it is and if your hard work yields results that are compelling it's going to change the game

01:26:22.280 what are your what are your plans for the future let me add on to that also i don't know where

01:26:26.480 you're at on the idea of the Nephilim, because a lot of people suppose that the flood happened

01:26:32.100 because the earth was overrun by the Nephilim. Does that change anything in people's perspective

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01:27:40.560 one meal delivery service yeah uh um well i know that based on the news that's happened the last

01:27:49.960 two weeks, we have gotten many, many emails. I mean, my inbox every morning, and I might need

01:27:55.520 to get an assistant because it's overwhelming. Like I'm doing this podcast with you. But then

01:27:59.720 right after this, I have a couple more. Then I have another guy I told you about that I have to

01:28:03.740 do an interview with. So it's just, and it's like that way every day where the morning, two, three

01:28:08.780 hours answering emails, you know, I don't answer them all, but you have to check them. And it could

01:28:12.840 be someone who wants to help donate, someone who wanted to be on a tour, somebody who wants their

01:28:17.060 a company owner or a businessman or a christian and they say hey or a scientist you know i i can

01:28:22.460 help you with this or that i saw what you guys are doing i'm an expert in this field what we can we

01:28:27.120 do what how can we help you next year and so you have to know whether some of them could be fake

01:28:31.680 or not you still have to contact him and find out um yeah so it's been very busy so mornings are

01:28:36.320 that way and then afternoons it's doing you know america wakes up so about three or four we start

01:28:40.860 these interviews and it goes to almost midnight and after that conference calls so then you get

01:28:45.020 to bed late and they wake up late. So it's like a cycle ever since I can think that one newspaper

01:28:49.700 in England that said 100% confirmed that just basically exploded across, made it viral.

01:28:56.860 So I think next year will be 100% larger for sure. We have bigger plans too next year.

01:29:04.980 So once we saw what's possible and what the government officials wanted us or allowing us

01:29:10.780 to do we're taking a bigger step next year based on the political support we have now now there's

01:29:15.780 people who want to stop us we've and we can talk about that as another topic during this podcast

01:29:21.200 but there are groups of people here who have made the phone calls and really tried to stop us

01:29:25.780 and in fact we were paused on our we first started in july because the governor had to get involved

01:29:30.600 and check what we're doing because they that we got these phone calls that foreigners are at the

01:29:33.820 Iranian border doing something illegal what are you guys doing and he talked and he talked to

01:29:37.240 the professor, who's in charge of the project.

01:29:39.340 And the professor told me, he has been

01:29:41.200 on so many archaeological digs in Turkey

01:29:43.120 and never had this issue. Like, no one cares about

01:29:45.060 archaeologists. You know, okay, they're doing their thing,

01:29:47.380 they're digging a hole. But suddenly, everyone's

01:29:49.260 an archaeologist, and they really care about this site.

01:29:51.720 It's just so crazy. Like, the site's

01:29:53.340 been abandoned, basically, it seems,

01:29:55.620 by the community, by

01:29:57.320 scientists. And it's only

01:29:59.340 a small number who's, over these years,

01:30:01.280 who really cared about it. Everyone else says, ah, it's geology,

01:30:03.400 leave it alone. You know, they made a visitor center.

01:30:05.720 Nobody, you know, not a lot of people go up there.

01:30:07.900 It's not like it's the Eiffel Tower.

01:30:09.720 So then suddenly, oh, we announced that we should maybe not announce it,

01:30:13.280 but we have a permit to dig, or not dig, but, you know,

01:30:15.720 geological and geophysical studies.

01:30:17.900 And that just made everyone like a frenzy of local people.

01:30:21.960 At least the government officials told us it was locals.

01:30:24.060 You know, maybe it's other people too, but they got all these phone calls

01:30:26.660 and it could be exaggerating, but one official said,

01:30:29.220 I got hundreds of calls saying to stop you guys.

01:30:31.680 Like, why do suddenly people care that we're going to investigate

01:30:34.920 that they're up in our site.

01:30:36.620 It seems really odd.

01:30:38.480 So you have that mentality,

01:30:41.440 but you also have then,

01:30:42.780 we had an advisor to the president

01:30:44.580 call the professor and say,

01:30:45.800 they're 100% with us.

01:30:46.820 They congratulate the professor

01:30:47.940 for his good work this first season

01:30:49.780 and to keep them updated.

01:30:51.700 You know, you have high ups

01:30:53.060 who are maybe a little away

01:30:54.300 from the local scene

01:30:55.160 with all these conspiratory people

01:30:57.360 living here and jealousy and all that

01:30:59.080 and this border town.

01:31:00.680 But now you have people

01:31:02.100 who do support us

01:31:03.220 that I think will make it very,

01:31:04.440 in the governor too. So it'll make it very difficult for someone to stop us. I think next

01:31:08.340 year, no, anything could happen out here. I'm not going to promise that we're going to start July

01:31:12.320 1st and have no issues. I've been involved with this for many years. I've seen every type of issue

01:31:17.520 and every type of scammer out here. So, uh, you know, we'll do our best, but I, you know, you had

01:31:23.160 some other questions, but on my side, you guys were all frozen for like a minute or two. So I

01:31:28.040 didn't hear the other questions. Um, so the other, let's, uh, we'll bring it in for a landing after

01:31:33.140 this but uh yeah it was in the nephilim yeah yeah just uh obviously the name this shows nephilim

01:31:38.360 so we'd be remiss not to ask about the nephilim or giants or any stories you have maybe local

01:31:43.920 villagers uh you guys are right next to iran that's filled with like mountainous areas and

01:31:49.740 ranges caverns yeah similar to afghanistan we have the story of the uh the kandahar giant from there

01:31:55.600 as well are there any rumblings of that uh in in the area that you're at that you've heard from

01:32:01.220 the local people uh did you talk to lauren about this no no not really oh okay oh because she's

01:32:12.500 really yeah i told her some stories out here and she was like andrew we got to get involved with

01:32:16.540 this season two so this so this is fascinating because there is um over the years living here

01:32:24.460 and visiting there are at least four or five stories from different people from different

01:32:28.240 decades different villages and locations who have uncovered they've said and i've never seen it

01:32:33.760 myself but all that's the same description of giant bones where they say the skull is like a

01:32:38.900 basketball size you can fit over your head um i saw a giant jawbone and when i first came here in

01:32:43.860 97 they showed me photographs and one of the old hotels here where there's a a jawbone and they

01:32:50.020 said it's huge but because it was on a glass case i didn't see something beside it to compare so i

01:32:54.180 don't know if it was like that big or like really big uh but it was sitting there and then we went

01:32:57.780 so i went to the owner i told my friend let's go talk to the owner about this like because he said

01:33:01.040 it wasn't there anymore and the owner said oh someone stole it or they lost it so i was like

01:33:04.920 okay the dog ate the evidence but they had a photograph it was on the internet at one time

01:33:08.900 that showed this job this jawbone and then you had multiple stories you know besides that one you had

01:33:15.140 let's see one uh that guy so there's four other stories two of them um no three of them come from

01:33:26.000 the village with the anchor stones which the locals call arzap the old kurdish name or as

01:33:29.920 the armenian name arzap village and it's also called on the modern you know turkish maps on

01:33:35.780 google maps saglak suyu or healthy water but that village where ron wyatt and others really thought

01:33:41.180 that the drogue stones, the big stones with the holes,

01:33:43.820 were stabilizing stones on Noah's Ark.

01:33:46.160 Three other stories from different people

01:33:48.340 and different locations in the village

01:33:49.660 have come out of there about giant skeletons being uncovered.

01:33:54.040 And then one other story was actually near Noah's Ark.

01:33:56.460 One of the villagers right beside the Ark site

01:33:59.200 stood up on the hill as a kid in the early 90s, I think,

01:34:03.780 or late 80s, they uncovered a giant skeleton.

01:34:06.980 They all had the same story where they see the skull is huge.

01:34:09.520 they uncover half of the skeleton most of the time

01:34:12.040 and they get so scared they cover it up and leave it

01:34:13.920 so a lot of these people say yeah it's still there

01:34:15.820 if we ever get official permits

01:34:18.060 to do stuff across the province

01:34:19.380 we'll target some of those areas

01:34:21.540 or

01:34:23.240 radar scans you don't want to dig

01:34:25.940 all over trying to find something but we can pinpoint

01:34:28.020 it with radar or something and then we will

01:34:29.900 we'll have the cameras

01:34:32.040 running we're not going to have the

01:34:33.300 people say the Smithsonian steal it

01:34:35.420 make sure this is live

01:34:38.100 well that would be the next uh frontier would i mean after you established that the flood

01:34:43.540 was real and that noah was compelled by a supernatural force to let's talk about why

01:34:47.920 the flood let's talk about why exactly where you know because it's it's just going to be a constant

01:34:52.720 uh uh conceding of ground by the other team and the last ground is going to be like okay well god

01:34:58.160 was evil uh and so why should we worship him you know that kind of a deal is what's going to end

01:35:02.460 up coming and if you go well uh what do you think about this 12 foot tall skeleton that you can put

01:35:07.200 its skull over your head like a helmet uh you think that played and he rolled it this is um

01:35:13.120 andrew this is a fascinating conversation i want to i want to respect your time but i also want to

01:35:17.080 put in a small request this is something that is uh changing all the time you're you have your

01:35:23.340 hands on the site and you're submitting samples here and waiting for research to return here

01:35:28.840 we'd love it if we could have you as a returning guest on the show to kind of give people updates

01:35:35.080 and let everybody know where we're at.

01:35:37.200 I mean, this is-

01:35:37.760 I will, for sure, I'm sorry,

01:35:42.380 the internet's going crazy.

01:35:44.280 So I kind of understood what you said.

01:35:47.700 Yes, for sure.

01:35:48.660 I'll keep you guys updated.

01:35:50.260 Just reach out to us.

01:35:51.240 If you don't hear from me,

01:35:52.240 because we have so many requests come in

01:35:54.160 or talk to Lauren or someone to say,

01:35:56.280 hey, what's the latest update?

01:35:58.120 Let's have Andrew back on or email you personally.

01:35:59.900 And then I will respond.

01:36:01.280 Yes, I'm always open to talking about the latest

01:36:04.080 and greatest information coming out of here.

01:36:06.340 Now, the winter months will be a little slower,

01:36:08.020 so I'll be leaving soon for the winter.

01:36:10.920 But we all, you know, we'll have the test results coming in.

01:36:14.540 We'll be dealing with the analysis of that

01:36:16.480 and compiling that data into reports

01:36:18.340 and then comparing it to the radar

01:36:19.900 and then some other announcements we'll have.

01:36:22.340 So, yeah, the winter won't be slow or slower.

01:36:25.920 It'll be slower than the summer months,

01:36:27.100 what we were doing almost every day out in the field.

01:36:29.380 But we'll definitely have some announcements

01:36:30.820 that we can share.

01:36:32.920 That's awesome.

01:36:33.540 and I'm looking forward to that.

01:36:34.740 Exciting news, man.

01:36:36.420 Andrew, thank you for coming on.

01:36:38.280 And just one more time,

01:36:39.240 tell the people where they can find you,

01:36:40.780 where they can support your dig,

01:36:44.100 what you're doing there, man.

01:36:49.360 Yes, our website is noahzarkscans.com.

01:36:52.040 That's the way you can connect with everything.

01:36:53.840 If that's one thing you want to remember,

01:36:55.560 go to the website noahzarkscans.com.

01:36:58.320 And there's a sign up for a sub-stack newsletter.

01:37:00.920 We have the donation link at the top

01:37:02.520 and all over the place.

01:37:03.920 We have our press releases there.

01:37:05.520 We have, you know, it's not as updated,

01:37:08.400 you know, because if you get something big

01:37:10.120 or report written, we'll put it up there

01:37:11.640 or the press release.

01:37:12.960 But if you want to connect to our daily media,

01:37:15.380 then go to the social media websites

01:37:16.820 and you can, oh yeah, you can order shirts.

01:37:20.340 So that's something new that the team put in there

01:37:21.920 where you can get different hats or shirts.

01:37:24.320 Another way to support the work.

01:37:26.200 But otherwise, our social media, you can share it,

01:37:28.260 you can subscribe and like and follow

01:37:29.840 and see all our updates every day.

01:37:32.700 We have a great team of volunteers.

01:37:34.460 They're all volunteers,

01:37:35.300 people who are passionate about this Noah's Ark discovery

01:37:38.760 or the potential discovery,

01:37:41.100 and they're willing to put their time and expertise

01:37:44.240 into helping us.

01:37:45.140 So I'm very appreciative to those who have helped.

01:37:47.620 And very controversial.

01:37:49.500 Online, as you guys said, a lot of attacks.

01:37:52.340 We just keep moving forward.

01:37:53.540 I said, okay, it's not going to stop us.

01:37:57.120 It's great to have a debate.

01:37:58.400 I'm open to debate.

01:37:59.500 I don't mind all that, but we're going to keep going forward to season two.

01:38:05.420 Looking forward to it.

01:38:06.860 Looking forward to it.

01:38:07.640 This has been a great conversation.

01:38:08.840 Thank you very much, Andrew.

01:38:12.420 Thank you, guys.

01:38:14.340 All right, guys.

01:38:14.940 Until next time, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply.

01:38:18.580 We'll see you later.

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