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00:01:00.000So the only thing that you've done is make a gigantic film that hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people will see, and the only mention that you saw fit to inject of something Christ-adjacent was a dismissal of the notion, saying that anybody who did express that notion stood in the way of progress.
00:01:18.020Something that I've actually heard you say on your review of Age of Disclosure, you echo those exact same sentiments.
00:01:23.060You said that those people who said demonic and demons were misguided.
00:01:29.800Which is the exact same thing that was said on that documentary.
00:01:32.740They just said those people stood in the way of progress.
00:01:34.900They're actually working against the interest of disclosing the truth.
00:01:40.520So what you've done now is to the average person who's not well-researched, who doesn't have the analytical mind, who doesn't even have the time, you've subliminally planted a little seed in their head.0.80
00:01:50.020and that is religious people have stood in the way of progress because of things like labeling
00:01:55.940this demonic or of the devil which means that anytime they hear that in the future they're
00:02:01.020going to scoff and recoil at that what this leads to according to the new age and a multitude of0.77
00:02:06.180other things including the bible is a falling away and a consolidation of the religions one
00:02:12.100world religion under this new umbrella but you have to actually get christianity out of the way
00:02:17.860It's not unremarkable or insignificant that in this gigantic documentary, the only thing they saw fit to do was dismiss it in the most flippant ways.0.93
00:02:27.040They're not Christians. A lot of these guys are Christians.0.62
00:02:29.320They're not approaching this phenomenon without being rooted in Jesus Christ.
00:13:55.300In fact, we find out, both in Genesis 6, but then also, more broadly speaking, in the Second Temple literature, especially in the Book of Enoch, that not only do we look similar, but we are reproductively compatible with them.
00:14:14.880So we're very similar to the angels in regard to our physiology.
00:14:19.280We're not the same as angels, but we're similar to them.
00:14:22.460They use technology. And I think that we can infer that they therefore manufacture technology.
00:14:33.320The angels are described in various passages in the Old Testament as arriving to the earth or flying around the earth at the helms of what I would describe as an advanced aerospace vehicle,
00:14:47.320what the Bible calls the chariots of God or the chariots of Israel, the chariots of fire.
00:14:52.460Now, I think we can all concede that horses don't fly.
00:17:42.040Now, there are, of course, embodied Nephilim, I think, still in the world, in Afghanistan, for example.
00:17:49.220Those embodied Nephilim are encountered in the Old Testament in multiple occasions, especially in the land of Canaan, in which you have clans of giants who descend from the Nephilim.
00:18:01.020The Anakim, for example, who descend from the Nephilim.
00:18:05.600Those are Nephilim still living and breathing.
00:18:08.280And one could make the case that any Nephilim at any time when it dies, its spirit departs from its body and is cursed to wander the earth as a disembodied wraith with all the desires of flesh, but with no flesh through which to fulfill these desires.
00:18:27.820So those are, that's the parameter of, those are the parameters of this conversation, if we're going to use, if we're going to invoke these biblical terms, from my perspective.
00:18:39.820Okay, that's fair. I will disagree that angels look just like us.
00:18:44.780The Bible, a number of times, well, you said they don't have wings, but I know in the Bible a number of times it describes them as having wings.
00:18:51.920Sometimes six. The sheriff, I mean, there's multiple passages in Isaiah.
00:18:54.640Specifically seraphim and cherubim, but I think Timothy Almarino is just referring to common angels that don't have wings, like the seraphim and cherubim.
00:19:02.820But if we're talking about this vast plurality of angels, we have to talk about all of them.
00:19:12.800So there are clear biblical references.
00:19:15.360I'm going to save you those references.
00:19:16.920All of the references with angels having wings are within the context of prophetic iconography, all of them.
00:19:24.640and scholars scholars are unanimous in their description of angels in regard to them not
00:19:32.960having wings and looking like us and they disregard those descriptions which are found
00:19:39.600within the passages of prophetic utterances of oracles so they disregard the bible okay
00:19:45.360no no no they disregard those descriptions as being literal anatomical descriptions of angels
00:19:53.200There's only a couple of them, and they refer to cherubim, seraphim, and then there's a passage in Daniel with these two stork-like beings.
00:20:02.280All of this is obviously symbolic. The cherubim, the way that they're depicted is clearly symbolic because cherubim are depicted in two different ways.
00:20:14.040And so if you're going to invoke a cherubim, then you have to tell me which one you're talking about.
00:20:18.020In one case, the cherubim have four faces, the face of a man, the face of an ox, the face of a lion, and the face of an eagle.
00:20:24.900And, of course, they have wings and eyes all around.
00:20:28.900In the other case, they are a composite of four creatures.
00:20:33.940They have the four parts of a lion, the hind parts of an ox.
00:20:38.640They have the wings of an eagle and the face of a man.
00:20:44.700So which cherubim are we talking about?
00:20:47.100clearly these are symbolic creatures and the these are not anatomical descriptions of literal
00:20:53.380beings anything that is no i disagree anything that is anything in the in the scriptures that
00:21:00.120is that is beheld within the context of a vision or a dream because that's what the that's what
00:21:06.720the the prophecy the prophets when they have these experiences and it's within the prophetic
00:21:11.800material that you find these the depictions of wings whenever a prophet is having a prophetic
00:21:17.860experience he is either dreaming he's either asleep or he is in a trance but in there's not
00:21:25.400a single occasion not anywhere not anywhere in the bible and not anywhere by the way in any
00:21:30.140extra biblical text well let's be more specific not in the book of enoch where a prophet
00:21:35.660or a patriarch is physically taken to heaven. That's never the case. Even with Enoch in the
00:21:45.860book of Enoch, he never goes to heaven. He's always dreaming, always in every case. So the
00:21:52.880prophet is asleep or he is sitting by the river or what have you in a trance. What does that tell
00:22:00.140you, that tells you that the experience is perceptual, that this individual, be it Isaiah
00:22:08.160or Ezekiel or any of the prophets, Jeremiah, their experience is happening in a perceptual
00:22:15.840world. They didn't go anywhere. You could walk up to them, and they would either be laying in
00:22:22.220their bed completely asleep, you know, in deep rim sleep. You could poke them. They're right
00:22:27.520there in their bed, or they'd be sitting somewhere in a trance. And so they're having a perceptual
00:22:34.140experience. They're not actually going anywhere. And we know, we would all concede, if you had a
00:22:40.520dream, if you had a really profound dream, let's say you had a dream last night, it was a very,
00:22:45.880very profound dream, and so profound that when you woke up this morning, you wondered if you
00:22:51.600actually had gone somewhere, or if you were just laying in your bed dreaming, and you saw all
00:22:56.880manner of strange things in your dream. You saw centaurs flying around with wings and fawns and
00:23:01.960all kinds of mythological creatures and rainbows and all different kinds of symbolic images.
00:23:12.040When you woke up in the morning, you would not assume that anything that you saw in your dream
00:23:17.860was literal. You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't go meet your friend at the coffee shop and say,
00:23:24.060hey, I saw a centaur yesterday. I saw one. It was there. I saw one. These things are real.
00:23:32.080You would never do that. You would always preface that statement with, last night I had a crazy
00:23:38.180dream in which I saw these things. So these are perceptual experiences. And the material,
00:23:45.640the information that is delivered to prophets through a perceptual experience is symbolic.
00:23:54.080It's meant to convey information. And that is the case with cherubim. That is the case with
00:23:59.960seraphim and everything that is beheld within those kinds of perceptual experiences.
00:24:05.500It is a world of symbolism and it has to be interpreted as such, or you'll make the mistake
00:24:15.600of attempting to derive literal interpretations from symbolic iconography from the ancient Near
00:24:23.760East. Well, to be fair, though, like it's not just a vision where Elisha's servant shows up,
00:24:29.380surrounded by the camp of the Syrian army. They look up into the mountains and there are horses
00:24:34.000and chariots of fire. Like I agree, like if Isaiah in chapter six, he's seeing these six
00:24:38.480winged seraphim, they're flying around, they're saying, holy, holy, holy. And they bring this
00:24:42.000uh, coal down and put it on his lip. I see what you're saying. We're like,
00:24:45.020that's like in a vision that potentially those six winged creatures don't exist.
00:24:49.560I don't know. That's, I think there's maybe some debate on that,
00:24:52.140but I think that's going to take the conversation sideways because what we're
00:24:55.560really discussing, no, no, I think this is what we're on.
00:24:57.960But it is like the Hebrews passage. It says,
00:24:59.740be careful entertaining strangers unaware because some of entertained angels.
00:25:03.040And I think that's Timothy Alvarino's point is that they are this elder race
00:25:34.320So we have a couple of testimonial accounts
00:25:37.100in the Bible itself, which I adhere to firmly.
00:25:40.460And it's describing these guys as having wings. I have five scriptures here, and we're just talking about just the cherubim. We're not talking about the seraphim as well. By that same logic, then, if we're talking about aliens, grays, most of these encounters that we're going to, I'm sure you're going to produce evidence, most of these come in states of sleep paralysis, deep sleep, REM sleep.
00:26:04.760I totally disagree oh well I don't I mean but all right so let's I think uh we want to go there0.99
00:26:11.900was a question that I did have though on you know just in the nature of the Nephilim and I know we
00:26:16.620conventionally describe them as giants I wonder then if you could surmise it quickly and I know
00:26:22.800it's a big ask because it's a big topic but how then do you interpret the chimeric creatures that
00:26:28.800were part of various pantheons like the Greek pantheons for example where you have half man
00:26:33.580half animal gods are these physical entities in your opinion are they a byproduct of uh you know
00:26:39.500fallen angels or angels that were cast down mating with human beings or are these strictly spiritual
00:26:45.420entities that are not a byproduct of inner species you know uh mingling and are just these things
00:26:51.500that exist in the spiritual realm uh well first i guess in the first place i would i would contest
00:26:59.180the idea that there's a spiritual realm um but the these composite beings from
00:27:09.740ancient near eastern and greek mythology
00:27:14.060are i believe and this isn't going to surprise you symbolic and there's a lot of there's a lot
00:27:20.780of vindication and in fact i would say evidence that they are in fact symbolic now whether or
00:27:25.100or not any of these creatures actually existed, whether or not centaurs were real, I don't
00:30:16.100And I was just about to use the cherubim as an example.
00:30:18.980So you take the cherubim and you look at the four faces of the cherubim,
00:30:24.680or if you're reading the verse in which it's a composite of four creatures,
00:30:28.560same four creatures, it doesn't matter.
00:30:31.240Let's take the description where the four faces are different.
00:30:34.360So you have the face of a man, then you have the face of an eagle,
00:30:38.440then you have the face of a lion and then you have the face of an ox okay so is there a correspondence
00:30:46.240to something in ancient in the in the in the ancient near east in the iconography of the
00:30:51.860ancient near east do we have a correspondence because the bible was written by people from
00:30:56.900the ancient near east it was written in that culture to that culture using the symbology
00:31:01.160of that culture and the ideas from that culture and that's a broad we're broadly speaking of
00:31:06.480Mesopotamia and the Eastern Mediterranean in general, the ancient Egyptians and the ancient
00:31:14.880Greeks and the Persians and so forth. That's what I mean when I invoke the ancient Near East and the
00:31:20.120Canaanites. And within the midst of that, the Israelites themselves. And remember, Abraham came
00:31:27.380from Mesopotamia. That was his culture. So as it pertains to cherubim, we have to ask the question,
00:31:36.240are cherubim unique to the biblical text? Are they unique to the Bible? The answer is clearly no,
00:31:44.240they're not. The cherubim are prevalent all over the ancient Near East. You have to this day
00:31:49.940depictions of cherubim on the ancient walls of Babylon and temples of Babylon. These are
00:31:57.720ubiquitous across the ancient Near East. They're symbolic of throne guardians. That's what the
00:32:04.240cherubim represent not just in the in the bible but in the ancient near east con eastern context
00:32:09.360generally speaking they're throne guardians that's how they're depicted in in sometimes they're
00:32:15.360um they're depicted uh as a different composite of of creatures but in many cases they're literally
00:32:21.600what the bible describes in babylon and in in in there's some sumerian depictions of this kind of
00:32:28.000thing as well. So we have to concede that this is, that these creatures are symbolic in the
00:32:34.960ancient Near East. This is iconography. And in the Bible, it's very specific in both references
00:32:43.280to Cherubim, in the multiple references to Cherubim, these four composites, I mean, the
00:32:47.480composite of these four creatures. So when we take a look at the four creatures, we realize that there
00:32:52.560is a correlation to what we call today the Zodiac. And when I invoke the Zodiac, people think
00:32:58.760immediately that we are now in a pagan arena. Not so. The Hebrews have the Zodiac. They called it
00:33:07.220the Matzeroth. In fact, were you to go back in time during the time of Christ, if you were to
00:33:12.720enter a synagogue, many of the synagogues had a depiction of the Zodiac on the wall, which is
00:33:18.200called the Matzeroth. And the Matzeroth appears in the Bible in several passages, a couple in Job
00:33:25.020and elsewhere. In fact, there's many passages that reference the signs of the Matzeroth,
00:33:31.480the signs of the Zodiac. Those appear all over the place. And I would contend that the depiction
00:33:36.460of the cherubim is an invocation of the Zodiac. Why? Because, again, you have the face of the man.
00:33:42.360The face of the man is representative of the sign of Aquarius, which is a man carrying a pitcher of water or pouring out a pitcher of water.
00:33:53.100That's the sign of Aquarius. That's the man.
00:36:33.740And we've forgotten this information, but it was very well known in the ancient Near East.
00:36:39.460So an ancient Near Eastern astrologer, if they were confronted with the symbology of a chimeric creature, again, let's use the cherubim as a reference here.
00:36:55.160they would they would automatically interpret that chimeric creature in astrological terms
00:37:02.700and they would derive from that interpretation a very uh particular meaning they would never
00:37:10.600take it literal and and and again because these visions of these creatures are in the bible are
00:37:17.920of these chimeric creatures are perceived within the context of a dream or a trance. In other words,
00:37:27.220this is a visionary world. We know that it's symbolic, and it has to be unpacked. It has to be
00:37:35.320deciphered, decoded. So there's no part of your theology that includes the idea of, let's say,
00:37:40.920a spiritual realm. I saw that you had some contention with that, or let's say like a Michael
00:37:44.440hyzer's unseen realm where these uh beings exist in a reality within this spiritual realm these
00:37:50.860are spiritual beings let's say they don't have to be flesh and blood um some sort of chimeric
00:37:55.480creature a creature a mix-up of fallen angels and something else do you at all subscribe to that
00:38:01.360ideology of the unseen realm as as specifically michael hyzer puts it um and that these old gods
00:38:07.960were not just symbolic um maybe they were part symbolic but actual creatures that did exist in
00:38:14.260a realm that parallels ours or overlays ours um but are actual creatures not just pure um you know
00:38:22.360metaphor or or symbolism for the zodiac or otherwise no no i would think that the the the
00:38:28.000cherubim for example are symbolic of real creatures but not their anatomy is not representative
00:38:35.200of those creatures rather the cherubim represent i believe the cherubim represent the the princes
00:38:41.380the sons of god the highest order of sons of god so when you when you let's let's invoke the word
00:38:49.420watcher uh egregori the watchers in the greek the watchers what the term watcher can be can be
00:38:59.600thought of as it's this is an occupational descriptor just like the word angel and it can
00:39:04.380be thought of as a being who watches, obviously, but the word watch or to watch is also synonymous
00:39:13.580with to watch over or to guard, right? So if you're looking at beings who are watching in
00:39:22.100the sense that they're watching over, they're guardians, then now you are deriving the same
00:39:31.740meaning from watcher as you would from cherubim, a throne guardian, based on the iconography of
00:39:39.520the ancient Near East. So these are the same, from my perception perspective, these are the same
00:39:44.900thing. The cherubim represent watchers, and watchers are guardians. And what does it mean
00:39:51.440to be a guardian in the kingdom? It's a prince. So when the Bible invokes princes, it's talking
00:39:58.760about very high-ranking sons of God who are imbued with authority to govern in the kingdom
00:40:06.280of heaven. Now, when you invoke a spiritual realm, you have to define your terms here,
00:40:13.480because Heiser, I disagree with Heiser on this point, Heiser would invoke a spiritual realm,
00:40:20.940but never defined it, except to say that it's a disembodied realm. Well, I don't see any evidence
00:40:26.680whatsoever that there's a disembodied realm would you prefer the terminology dimension
00:40:31.540alternate dimension other dimension it seems like a popular expression within ufology today
00:40:37.180that these entities come from an alternate dimension or a portal i'm also having a hard
00:40:41.980time how how you're completely disregarding that term when i mean like in popular culture today
00:40:46.980we have means of getting into this extra dimensional realm interdimensional realm
00:40:51.840uh spiritual realm just through like the means of dmt like joe rogan made this fairly fairly
00:40:57.900famous people go in there they all experience the same thing what is where they're going
00:41:01.100they're going into some kind of under tapestry of of a realm wherever they're going to walk up
00:41:08.280go ahead if you were to walk up to a person which i've done who's under the influence of dmt let's
00:41:17.000say ayahuasca ayahuasca that individual hasn't gone anywhere have they did they go into a
00:41:24.560different realm or are they just there you know puking in a bucket or are they did they go
00:41:31.160somewhere what round spirit goes somewhere can their spirit go somewhere can their spirit go
00:41:36.920somewhere like elijah now now we're now we're see what i'm doing is i'm forcing us to define
00:41:41.860our terms here well if i could just talk about this passage where is it naaman that comes to
00:41:45.980get healed from Elisha he comes from Syria he gets told to go dunk in the Jordan River and then
00:41:51.560Gehazi runs after him and says hey man actually my master changes mine we do want some of that
00:41:56.480money and then Elisha specifically says my spirit went with you are you are you saying like no that's
00:42:01.900not that's not something that can happen and if your spirit goes somewhere is that not a spiritual
00:42:06.100realm this is this is a a okay this is an important distinction that doesn't mean there's a realm
00:42:12.940Okay, so let's go back to the DMT thing, because this is a good example. So when somebody's tripping on psilocybin or ayahuasca, they're there, their body's there, just like a prophet who's having a trance, right?
00:42:29.760Just like you when you're dreaming and you're in deep REM sleep, having very, very similar experiences when you have profound dreams.
00:42:38.320There's really no difference between a profound dream and somebody tripping on DMT.
00:42:43.660Now, I would say there are some differences, but the experiences are very, very similar.
00:42:58.900And to say that their spirit departed and went into some different realm is an extrapolation.
00:43:06.180uh that so you might say spirit i think it's huh you might say spirit scape instead
00:43:13.060no i don't think that i think it's a perceptual world does your does your spirit go somewhere
00:43:18.800when you dream does it go to like the dream world does it go to the dream world when you're dreaming
00:43:25.080i would say that for lack of a better vocabulary to apply to the situation that's an apt way to
00:43:31.060describe sometimes yes sometimes no i think there are varying levels of it yeah okay so well first
00:43:37.000of all um we know that dreams are product of the brain we know that we can induce dreams we can
00:43:45.720interrupt dreams dreams are product of the brain you have different kinds of dreams based on
00:43:50.220different things that are going on in your body chemically speaking um the same thing applies to
00:43:57.240DMT. The same thing applies to psychedelics. Something is happening in the brain. This is a
00:44:03.120perceptual world. Now, I will agree that within this perceptual experience, DMTs, dreams are like
00:44:12.820this too, but especially through DMT, you can make contact with other non-human intelligences
00:44:19.620in this perceptual environment. But I like to think of it as an internet of consciousness.
00:44:25.220So just like you and I, we're talking, we're not in the same room. You guys aren't sitting here in my room. I'm not sitting there and you're not here in my office. I'm not there in your studio. But yet here we are interacting. You can hear me and you can see me.
00:44:39.220me to so so we're having this very interesting interchange even though we're not physically in
00:44:46.760the same place and we understand that this is happening because of technology basically
00:44:51.820fundamentally because of electricity right that's the agency through which we are able to do this
00:44:58.680is electricity well in the same way when people are under the influence of narcotics especially
00:45:06.480psychedelics prominently especially psychedelics let's put in those terms um although this happens
00:45:13.460when when people are sometimes you can have a lucid vision where you're where you're not under
00:45:17.740the influence of anything right so that's why there's a caveat there that when that's happening
00:45:22.740fasting comes to mind yeah yeah you can have a lucid or or if you're by the way near-death
00:45:28.300experience or if you're dying of thirst or if you're totally if you're completely dehydrated
00:45:33.420you start to hallucinate um so you can have these perceptual experiences and when you're in this
00:45:40.380perceptual mode just like we're communicating over the internet and i'm going to say again
00:45:46.260especially through the agency of of of psychedelics i think you can plug into something your brain
00:45:53.700connects to something and it's it's it's what i like to call the internet an internet of
00:45:59.760consciousness to where other beings are also plugged into this internet of consciousness
00:46:04.580and and just like we're each plugged into the internet we can communicate well when you plug
00:46:10.240your psyche into the internet of consciousness you can you then you then become open to
00:46:15.760communication from other intelligences that are there and that's not a realm this isn't a realm
00:46:21.860would you guys say that there's a realm of the internet is it a realm um that that's hard to
00:46:28.040define i mean maybe a better question would be if it happens exclusively in your brain then how are
00:46:31.900people having meaningful near-death experiences when they're declared brain dead uh because it's
00:46:37.360not just it's not exclusive to the brain there's a mechanism in the brain but the consciousness is
00:46:41.340outside of the brain so there is nobody really understands like your spirit consciousness is
00:46:47.120consciousness is connected to the body in some way and the near-death experiences which is a
00:46:52.340different topic but near-death experiences um are are variegated they they they vary wildly
00:46:59.020based on a person's cultural background based on their own uh religious theological perspectives
00:47:08.620you know if you're a catholic i i talked to a guy that was dead clinically dead got blown up and
00:47:14.480you know i think it was iraq um and he's a he was a catholic and he had a very catholic experience
00:47:21.360where he saw like, I forget the name of the statue, where Mary is holding Jesus. That's famous
00:47:27.520carving where Mary's holding Jesus in her arms. And he had an experience, very, very Catholic
00:47:33.700experience in which he was dead. And there he is seeing Mary holding Jesus. And then suddenly he
00:47:39.100realizes it's him. Mary's holding him. And all the iconography of this experience was, as I said,
00:47:46.260was catholic was very very catholic because he was a catholic people have all kinds of experiences
00:47:54.240near-death experiences which tells me that these are perceptual experiences based on the person's
00:48:01.360own cultural background theological disposition sometimes you have an atheist who have a near
00:48:07.400death experience and it's like hell right demons and hell and all this kind of stuff well maybe
00:48:12.200that person was subconsciously really worried that they that maybe hell did exist or whatever
00:48:17.200you know what i mean so there's no like near-death experiences it's they're so variegated yes there's
00:48:24.580some commonalities that people most of the time have a good experience and and this includes by
00:48:32.300the way atheists most of the time have a good experience of like they they see a light or
00:48:37.660they're confronted with, or they're met by their loved ones, or some wonderful communication,
00:48:47.160they receive some wonderful communication from a disembodied voice, or they're in this beautiful
00:48:51.720place. I mean, and then you have the hellscapes, and then you have everything in between. So I
00:48:57.480wouldn't use near-death experience to try and bolster the idea that there's a spiritual realm.
00:49:07.100So do I believe, let's change the definition here, okay?
00:49:11.720Let's not talk about a spiritual realm, because if you're going to invoke a spiritual realm,
00:49:15.360you have to tell me, first of all, what makes a spiritual realm different than a physical realm?
00:49:34.480No, it's fantastic. But I recognize that we're dealing with an intangible thing here. I think it's wise to move on to the more nuts and bolts aspect of what we actually came to talk about, which is this thing that we're on the cusp of.
00:49:48.440Now, the show is called Our Aliens, Demons. This is a cheeky way of getting into a larger conversation. The larger conversation surrounds specifically disclosure.
00:49:57.820that is the thing that i find most fascinating about the things that you have to say uh in this
00:50:03.200conversation this greater conversation about aliens now the way that i want to set this up
00:50:07.720and i this isn't accusatory this is more asking for clarification we watched your series on this
00:50:13.580show true legends it's a fantastic documentary um the the true legends uh what's the sub there
00:50:19.380the technology of the fallen the technology of the fallen it was actually the second one
00:50:25.060in particular that stood out to me it was about the Vatican and uh throughout that documentary
00:50:29.960you Tom Horn and Steve Quayle do a fantastic job of laying out not only the compelling evidence for
00:50:35.500giants having created megalithic structures and technology being utilized to create megalithic
00:50:40.240structures you know given the fitment of the stones etc but one of the things that really
00:50:44.800stuck out was when you were talking about the Vatican and the role that it was going to play
00:50:50.400in a coming disclosure deception we talked about or you talked about on that documentary how the
00:50:55.480pope was alluding to um baptizing space brethren etc etc um it was either tom quayle or steve uh
00:51:04.500or tom horn who said that it was the great deception that was the language that they use
00:51:10.080the great deception and one of the things that you personally said was that you were concerned
00:51:15.420that the antichrist was going to emerge from this deception now where we sit is basically on the
00:51:23.040cusp of the very thing that you warned about 10 years ago we're sitting here where i would call
00:51:29.080this for for and it's it's it's cheeky right and it's it's it's uh maybe a a caricaturization of
00:51:36.220what this documentary was but the age of disclosure feels for all intents and purposes like a
00:51:40.560government-funded disclosure operation. Now, a lot of people have been waiting for alien
00:51:45.900disclosure, yourself included, myself included, for 20, 30 years, you know, as far back as this
00:51:50.780phenomenon has been taking place. What is strange to me is now we can get lost in the weeds about,
00:51:57.320well, what is a demon? Is this demonic? Is this phenomenon, you know, in opposition to God,
00:52:03.300et cetera. But if you believe that the Antichrist is going to emerge, which I agree with,0.58
00:52:09.600And I thought your research on the matter was very compelling and it is in alignment with our research along with countless other people in the space.
00:52:16.640It's not like ours. Our thoughts are kind of like you've actually formed an argument that has formed an argument that has now come to argue with you.
00:52:24.540It's like time travel. Yeah, it's like time travel.
00:52:27.300And so there is your birthright. Yes, yes.
00:52:32.140So so there is a time in your studies where you suspect the antichrist is going to come from this disclosure.
00:52:38.280As far as I'm concerned, Tim, it looks to me like age of disclosure is the biggest step in that direction, and it is filled with a bunch of people who have worked in the intelligence community, and I'm not saying that automatically makes them discredited.
00:52:52.280In fact, I don't even necessarily think that's what's happening. I don't think that they're feds. I see you saying that a lot online, a lot of people accusing Louis Alessandro of getting the call is what you said. Did he get the call? Did he get the call?
00:53:03.880I wasn't referring to Alessandro in that way. I was referring to myself. People accused me of having gotten the call.
00:53:12.240I was actually looking at your Twitter just the other day. It was a flippant thing that you said to somebody, but somebody was criticizing Alessandro and you said jokingly, oh, do you think that he got the call?
00:53:22.580Oh, OK. Yeah. Which is a fair criticism, right? Because that doesn't mean anything. Got the call from who? Are we talking about the Jews, Israel, the Vatican? What are we talking about? That's fine.
00:53:31.360But to put it in the words of either Steve Quill or Tom Horn, this is the great deception. And I find that it is higher likelihood that the people that are involved in parading this thing around are themselves deceived, are meaning well, just like the people that you say, using the language of demons or demonic to describe this phenomenon, mean well, but are misguided.
00:53:53.440I think a lot of these people that are in this space mean well but are misguided so what happened in this time what sort of information did you gather that doesn't make you a guy who's been in this space for a long time sound the alarm sound the alarm because to me it looks like the enemy is almost on the horizon this great deception that leads to the Antichrist is at our doorstep closer than it's ever been surely and it's got more eyes on it than ever and the narrative is being rolled out and formed.
00:54:21.340And it's also being packaged in a way where everybody has their talking points. What are your talking points? I'm in the military for 28 years. I saw these things. I've been in the Air Force for 30 years. I saw these things. I've been in the Navy for X amount of years. I saw these things. And we're getting our talking point. We're getting our repetition. It's beyond me or anybody that listens to this show to trust the experts.
00:54:40.740And I know that you say that's an ironic place to be, because if the government did come out and tell us the truth, we simply wouldn't be able to believe them because of the distrust that we have for them.
00:54:48.920So, yeah, maybe that's a discussion to have. But where is this?
00:54:54.340I imagine if I was a guy that truly was convicted in this idea that the Antichrist would come from this system, I would be sounding the alarm.
00:55:01.500What is it that you were introduced to that changed that tone?
00:55:05.320What would you be sounding the alarm about?
00:55:06.960I would sound the alarm about the nature of listening to experts talk about disclosure, experts like, let's say, the Vatican, for example, and that you should have a very healthy distrust for anything that presents itself as this alien phenomenon and that really your eyes and your heart should be focused on Jesus Christ.
00:55:30.820Okay, but let's talk about the nature of the deception that you're referencing.
00:55:38.140First of all, my thoughts on this topic specifically, I don't believe I would disagree with anything I said in those films.
00:55:45.960And I have evolved, my perception has evolved, my perspective rather, on certain topics.
00:55:52.980But all of that is laid out in Birthright.
00:55:54.460That's why I asked you if you read Birthright, because in Birthright, I talk about precisely what you're referencing, that the Antichrist, I believe, is going to come and be received.
00:56:07.620He's going to come, I believe, at the helm of an aerospace vehicle and will be received as an extraterrestrial savior and that and that he will be received by Christians as the second coming of Christ.0.56
00:56:20.440he's going to be an imposter he'll be received by every major world religion as their their0.78
00:56:25.720christ figure and he's going to deliver us in my estimation this is just a theory from the gray
00:56:33.000alien threat that's what i write in birthright and or perhaps perhaps and or a some kind of a
00:56:42.420cataclysmic event you know an asteroid or something like that and so that the deception
00:56:53.120that i talk about in regard to this topic is the presentation of this imposter this person who is
00:57:01.900claiming to be christ but who is from my perspective the seed of satan the offspring
00:57:08.800the son of satan who will present himself to the world as our savior yes i believe that the vatican
00:57:14.800is quietly especially the jesuits quietly crafting the the quietly building the theological
00:57:22.720substrate the foundation to receive our alien saviors and i believe that those alien saviors
00:57:29.680in contrast to gray aliens which of course are are ugly little exotic beings the the saviors that0.94
00:57:40.000that the world will receive with open arms are going to be are going to look like us0.99
00:57:45.280are going to look like what the in ufology are called the the Pleiadians or the Nordics
00:57:53.340and this makes a lot of sense to me so none of that has changed my perspective on none of
00:57:59.940none of that has changed so just to clarify because i got lost a little bit there you're
00:58:03.980saying that um you expect this savior that will be antichrist or the antichrist to uh come from
00:58:11.040this camp this tall nords this pleiadians uh and that they're going to defeat this threat
00:58:15.380that is the gray aliens is that i suspect that that's true i don't know that that's true for
00:58:21.020sure. I suspect that something like that is going to play out. Nobody knows exactly where all of
00:58:24.820this is headed, except to say that it's headed to Armageddon. Ultimately, this culminates in war
00:58:30.300with God. That's the culmination of the book Birthright, and surely that's where all of this
00:58:36.660is headed. Now, we have to get into the particulars. So I framed what I believe the
00:58:43.080deception is. The deception clearly, and by the way, the great deception is precisely that. It's
00:58:50.700going to revolve around this person that shows up in the world, and I don't think it's just
00:58:56.300going to be a political figure, who presents himself as the Son of God, as the Christ.
00:59:05.360But he will be anti-Christ, and he will be in opposition to Christ and to his people.
00:59:12.400That's the deception. That's the great deception. And people will follow him. So this all hinges on,
00:59:19.040The deception itself hinges on Jesus' words to his question,
00:59:23.640the most important question posed in the Bible, cover to cover.
00:59:26.920This is unquestionably the most important question posed.
00:59:32.560And it's Jesus talking to his disciples.
00:59:35.180And he says, who do men say that I am?
00:59:38.700And they say, well, some say you're Elijah, some say you're the prophet.
00:59:44.180But Jesus asks them, who do you say that I am?
00:59:49.040And Peter says, you are the Messiah, the Son of God.
00:59:55.080And then Jesus said, blessed are you, Simon Barjona, for flesh and blood have not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
00:59:59.780And then he says, on this rock, I will build my church.
01:00:03.360And of course, the rock that he's talking about is the revelation of who he is.
01:00:06.820That's the rock that the church is built on.
01:00:12.200The deception is an imposter who comes in the name of Christ, who presents himself as the Savior, the Son of God, and of course his God is the dragon.
01:00:23.880So what you're going to have is you're going to have an inversion of the gospel.
01:03:54.520The average person is working at 9 to 5.
01:03:56.640The world will be subjected to this large deception.
01:04:01.300If the Antichrist is going to come from the Pleiadians, if the Greys are going to be defeated and they're going to look like heroes,
01:04:06.260perhaps it is better for the average person to just look at the entire phenomenon and go
01:04:11.440this is not of god this is demonic this is a distraction from my walk with jesus christ
01:04:17.580and therefore i'm going to focus on that instead of whatever's happening here and i'm going to
01:04:21.700reject that so when the pleiadians do come down to this person who doesn't is not equipped who
01:04:27.140who really could be i wonder your body of knowledge uh is representative of what percentage
01:04:33.160of the population meaning who else has access it doesn't matter it doesn't matter all all you have
01:04:38.500to be knowledgeable of is the gospel of christ exactly so so if you were to say i love christ
01:04:44.800and these things are demons what is the even the sense in pushing back against that well because
01:04:49.920first of all there's no advantage to believing fantasies um i you have to we have to get very
01:05:00.280specific here so people say this is all a deception and that doesn't mean anything that's
01:05:06.200such an ambiguous phrase it literally means nothing what precisely is the deception so let's
01:05:15.280be specific here we have these whistleblowers including lou elizondo david grush and the
01:05:20.960others who've come forward and and what they're saying this is what they're saying uniformly
01:05:27.000What they're saying is that there is an illegal legacy crash retrieval program in which elements of the United States government, the military industrial complex with aerospace contractors, private contracting companies, have been and are actively recovering advanced aerospace craft of non-human design and, in association with these craft, the pilots.
01:05:55.240non-human biological pilots who crash and die and that this technology has been sequestered
01:06:03.940into these aerospace companies and and illegally hidden from oversight from congress so it's it
01:06:15.520there's no oversight the program is real and there is no oversight by congress and and therefore by
01:06:21.580extension the american people and that to some extent the situation is out of control and that
01:06:26.760elements of this uh elements of this cover-up are now rogue okay that's what these guys are saying
01:06:35.300that's that's what they're saying so tell me they're not saying that hey these are our saviors
01:06:43.080they're not saying that the the aliens are our gods they're not saying that that uh that the
01:06:49.500bible is false they're not there's no messaging involved here all these guys are saying the ones
01:06:55.640that have have raised their hand and under oath have testified to congress all they're saying are
01:07:01.540the things that i just laid out so now tell me forget about i don't care about their backgrounds
01:07:06.580i don't care about fake photos and things like this let's just focus on what they're saying
01:07:10.720what is the deception here what are they what's the disinformation what's the deception
01:07:19.780where's the misdirect here it's actually very subtle so if you're creating a documentary let's
01:07:26.060say in the case of um age of disclosure and you're exploring this phenomenon with no consideration
01:07:33.880and especially none given to the general public who's viewing it of the supernatural of jesus
01:07:40.380christ of god of of angels of any of these things if you're not exploring that that's one thing
01:07:46.980but then to go a measure further and make it so that the only mention of let's say christianity
01:07:53.700or jesus is an illusion made to the fact that there's an old guard within the pentagon who has
01:08:00.460stopped progress on this very important topic because of their superstitious beliefs and them
01:08:05.860labeling it demonic so the only thing that you've done is make a gigantic film that hundreds of
01:08:11.320thousands maybe millions of people will see and the only mention that you saw fit to inject of
01:08:16.540something christ adjacent was a dismissal of the notion and in fact saying that anybody who did
01:08:23.520express that notion stood in the way of progress something that i've actually heard you say on your
01:08:27.900review of age of disclosure you echo those exact same sentiments you said that those people who
01:08:32.520said demonic and demons were misguided which is the exact same thing that was said on that maybe
01:08:37.700a little bit more gracious because misguided is nice on that documentary they just said those
01:08:41.940people stood in the way of progress so what you've done now is to the average person who's not well
01:08:46.380researched who doesn't have the analytical mind who doesn't even have the time let's be honest
01:08:50.200nine to fives and all that you've subliminally planted a little seed in their head and that is
01:08:56.000religious people have stood in the way of progress because of things like labeling this demonic or of
01:09:01.840the devil which means that anytime they hear that in the future they're going to scoff and recoil0.76
01:09:07.400at that and let's be honest what this leads to according to the new age and a multitude of other
01:09:12.180things including the bible is a falling away and a consolidation of the religions one world religion
01:09:19.420under this new umbrella so you have to actually get christianity out of the way so it's not um
01:09:26.600unremarkable or insignificant that in this gigantic documentary the only thing they saw fit to do
01:09:32.780was dismiss it in the most flippant ways they're not christians a lot of these guys are christians
01:09:37.320they're they're not approaching this phenomenon without they're not approaching this without
01:09:41.780being rooted in jesus christ as we just said in the gospel rooted in the gospel is what you said
01:09:47.160right this is the biggest mouthpiece on this phenomenon are not rooted in the bible well
01:09:52.440some of them some of them aren't christians so um so this isn't a theological
01:09:58.100documentary they're not coming at this topic from a theological perspective they're coming
01:10:03.040at this fundamental mistake not necessarily they're coming at this topic from just a nuts
01:10:08.940and bolts perspective this is what we know to be true this is what we can testify uh as
01:10:16.560what we would describe as a set of facts and we believe that these beings are real they're
01:10:24.320non-human and at some level they represent a national security threat that's that's that's
01:10:29.480what the that's how i would summarize that film now can i pose to you a simple question then
01:10:35.240if being rooted in the gospel is the most important aspect of this entire thing
01:10:40.040how is it absent from this discussion who cares what they say this is the job of people like me
01:10:44.860and and like you guys who remind believers that they need to be rooted in the gospel of christ
01:10:53.160that that's the anchor but i'm not here i'm not going to deny you done that though on your shows
01:10:58.880on the daily wire i mean this is this is kind of oh many times yes many times i say this all the
01:11:04.500time but but the the we have to acknowledge the the reality the facts okay there is a crash
01:11:11.460retrieval program. They are recovering non-human technology and non-human bodies. There's nothing
01:11:17.960deceptive about that, except for the fact that elements of the military industrial complex are
01:11:23.680trying to hide that from the American people. Now, if you have, by the way, there's opposing
01:11:29.720Christian factions here, okay? So this is much more complex than you think. There's a faction
01:11:36.880of christians inside of government and i would describe them as evangelical christians who are
01:11:43.860opposed to telling the american people anything about this phenomenon are you alluding to the
01:11:49.940collins elite the so-called collins elite i don't know if they would they would consider themselves
01:11:54.920that or how well organized they are this faction exists again i don't know how well organized they
01:11:59.840are but they're there they're evangelical christians and then you have another faction
01:12:04.740of christians who want to tell the american people the truth and who are trying to get to
01:12:09.760the bottom of this thing and bring these programs back uh under the jurisdiction the the control of
01:12:17.160congress the oversight of congress okay because a lot of what's being done is i will use the word
01:12:22.580demonic uh and and and is is contrary to the constitution and so forth so there's there's
01:12:32.500believers on both sides of this thing. It's not over here the Christians are telling us it's
01:12:37.640demons and everybody who's saying, no, we need to tell the truth about this phenomenon. We need to
01:12:42.540tell the American people what's going on, that those are just atheistic people who are not coming
01:12:48.380at this from a Christian perspective. That's simply not true. In fact, the congressmen who
01:12:56.140are most active in this arena and by the way their main goal is to do two things to tell the
01:13:03.220american people the truth a much of the as much of the truth as they can without compromising
01:13:08.320national security and then to bring these illegal programs back under the control of the american
01:13:18.340people of congress and and also of the executive branch because the things that are happening in
01:13:23.560these programs, some of the things that have been happening in these programs are evil. I mean,
01:13:29.900you're talking about experimentation on human beings. You're talking about this advanced
01:13:35.300technology falling into the hands of extremely nefarious groups who are using it to do terrible
01:13:41.300things. And so there's a lot of crime that's being covered up. The most terrible things imaginable
01:13:48.480have been done in the service of of of acquiring reverse engineering this technology and keeping
01:13:54.620it secret from the american people i mean um the the the elements of of the government and these
01:14:00.740uh uh aerospace contractors have have murdered people to keep this thing secret see that's what
01:14:08.080i would call evil that's nefarious okay and and the people that i work with are in at the
01:14:15.260governmental level are believers are christians many of them most of them and they want they want
01:14:20.660to bring this uh they want to bring this this this monster this octopus that's grown in darkness
01:14:33.200under the cover of of uh of these uh unacknowledged special access programs in the under that have
01:14:41.640been developed in the underground the deep underground military bases outside of the
01:14:45.460jurisdiction of the executive branch and congress that's what they want to remedy okay and i applaud
01:14:53.260that effort that's a noble effort and i think that hiding the truth from people hiding the truth from
01:15:00.960the american people i don't think there's anything righteous or just or noble about that i i i'm
01:15:07.120completely opposed to that. So the fact that we have crash retrievals, that we have alien bodies,
01:15:16.320and I use the word alien very intentionally, because they're not us. They're not, they're not
01:15:19.900us. Okay, these bodies. And as I defined earlier, demons are the disembodied spirits of dead giants
01:15:25.800of Nephilim. Okay, they're disembodied. These are physical, biological beings who crash and die.
01:17:06.940I think you're right over the target when you say that.
01:17:09.140Being grounded in the gospel is what is going to get you through this.
01:17:13.100And so I thought, surely there must be mention of the gospel you must have taken to your
01:17:20.980ex to talk about the gospel within the context of being grounded in it.
01:17:24.240In order to not be deceived or to understand or, you know, get through this period and be in alignment with God and stay on this narrow path and, you know, have salvation through Christ and not be, you know, twisted up in this entire multifaceted thing that we've got here.
01:17:39.980I got to admit, I'm looking at this and you've got one mention of extraterrestrial life in the same breath as the gospel of Christ.
01:17:48.920And all it is is to say the curiosity of the existence of the extraterrestrial life does not detract from the gospel of Christ. Now, that's fine. You've got a lot of different platforms where you are doing this thing.
01:17:59.660What gets me is if I type in the word demonic, gray, or demons into your Twitter and do a keyword search, you have spent a lot of time, a lot of time, especially in stark comparison to what I've just laid out here, knocking people off of this position.
01:18:29.100We've gone back and forth in this. I'm actually not interested in hashing that out as much as to say on this show that I believe that there's a high likelihood they're a biomechanical husk that is basically an automaton meant to carry out tasks in a physical realm where these things otherwise would not be able to engage with us physically.
01:18:46.720And so it's a limited form of technology that they can interface with.
01:18:50.620I know we've had this on a previous show, you said, and that comes predominantly from Karen Wilkinson.
01:18:57.540She's got a firsthand experience with these things, and her testimony has contributed significantly.
01:19:05.640Well, I mean, she wouldn't maintain that she was sleeping, considering there was a pregnancy and, you know, a hybrid.0.96
01:19:10.860Oh, no, no, no, no. You're talking about alien abduction. No, no, alien abduction.0.98
01:19:14.580But that's a separate thing. I don't want to go off on that. I don't want to go off on that tangent. I want to say it is strange to me. And there's a multitude of ways you can defend it. And maybe it's my own bias that you would spend all this time fighting people down off the hill that these things are demons or demonic, but very, very, very little, little to no mention on your own Twitter of the gospel of Christ being what you need to be grounded.
01:19:38.440As a matter of fact, that's not what you say at all on your Twitter.
01:20:04.520Why would I? Why would I? Why would I contradict myself? It's not a fair question. I would say, why wouldn't you spend time telling people to be grounded in the gospel of Christ in order to not be whipped up in this deception?
01:20:15.980Well, because oftentimes what I'm responding to are people who are attempting to say that the whole thing is a deception, that what the whistleblowers are saying, that's all just a deception, which is absurd, and it's not true.
01:20:34.360What the whistleblowers are saying is true. And we should be behind. We should be applauding their efforts to expose these illegal programs and to bring these programs back under the jurisdiction of the government, back under the jurisdiction of Congress and the executive branch specifically.
01:20:56.140that's a noble enterprise these guys know that very grave crimes very grievous crimes have been
01:21:06.260committed under the shadow of darkness because these programs are out of sight out of mind
01:21:12.260literally some of them are being developed miles beneath the surface of the earth
01:21:16.200in these deep underground military bases the most heinous things have been done
01:21:20.180OK, children have been taken forcefully and abducted and inducted into these programs for various things, for various reasons.
01:21:27.920And and this gets really dark, by the way. And so these guys are coming forward saying.
01:21:34.680You've been lied to this program exists. It's existed for a long time where reverse engineering technology and have been and there's no oversight.
01:21:44.300okay now that is a noble endeavor and so i defend that endeavor and i defend the congressmen
01:21:51.220and women who are working to get oversight over this situation and to inform the american people
01:21:57.000of the truth okay that is a noble enterprise and so when people look at that demonic and a
01:22:05.240deception that's disingenuous and it's ignorant and it's not true there's there's nothing deceptive
01:22:13.900about the declaration that we have a reverse engineering program a legacy program that goes
01:22:20.540back decades we have been recovering and attempting to reverse engineer non-human technology and have
01:22:27.140been studying the bodies that's where this thing begins okay but the rabbit hole the rabbit hole
01:22:33.420goes deep and it's dark and people like lou elizondo i know lulu's a friend a friend of mine
01:22:40.580And people like Lou and others would acknowledge, would acknowledge immediately.
01:22:45.280Now, they don't say this publicly because they're not theological people.
01:22:48.880They're not, they're not, they're not, they don't do what I do.
01:22:53.360But privately, they will tell you that this is demonic, that it's nefarious, that it's fiendish, that it's maniacal.
01:23:07.180And I say not all of it because, as I said in the beginning, that's why I went through what I did in the beginning of this conversation.
01:23:12.920You know, we have to differentiate between the bad guys and the good guys.
01:23:17.140And the good guys here, the good guys being the angels, the good guys being the loyal sons of God who use the same kind of technology in this mix up.
01:23:26.600Do you have any examples? And I know this is speculation or, you know, it's once again, the intangible.
01:23:31.520But where in the alien phenomenon would you point to as a likelihood for the good side of things?
01:23:36.680Well, I would, I would, I mean, that's, one can only speculate, but I have a good friend of mine named Gary Stearman, who maybe you guys are familiar with Gary Stearman over at Prophecy Watchers.
01:23:49.080Gary's a Bible teacher, very good friend of mine.
01:23:51.620And Gary had an encounter when he was a young man, he was flying a Cessna, and he was delivering this Cessna to, I think he was flying from, I believe he was flying from Lubbock to Dallas, I think is what the route was.
01:24:06.680And without going to all the details, he had an encounter with, he had a malfunction in his airplane and he lost his, the electronics went out on him and he was in some serious trouble.
01:24:19.100And, and again, without going into all the details, he had an encounter with a craft that appeared, a walnut shaped craft that appeared and on the horizon.
01:24:29.900And then suddenly it was flying parallel to his craft, to his aircraft.
01:24:51.420And from that experience, it was because of that experience that he decided to become a Bible teacher and a pastor.
01:24:59.900That was the catalyst that caused that to happen.
01:25:01.860And he will tell you to this day, he will tell you he believes that those were angels who saved his life.
01:25:07.840Now, I believe that angels use this advanced technology, that this technology comes from an angelic civilization, which we call the kingdom of heaven, that these beings use and wield technology, as I said in the beginning.
01:25:21.400So just because you see some advanced technology and non-human beings in play doesn't necessarily mean that the beings are nefarious.
01:31:22.700I mean, there's a lot of material that has been included over the decades.
01:31:25.540Well, like you said, there is a huge, voluminous body of abductee victims out there who are sharing all these experiences.
01:31:34.100Conclusive data related to the abduction phenomenon.
01:31:37.720Like, we know what alien abduction is.
01:31:39.000How does one achieve conclusive data in this phenomenon?
01:31:41.180Is conclusive data like government-approved data?
01:31:44.020Because I don't care about government-approved data.
01:31:45.540I'm talking about data that corresponds to reality as it pertains to the phenomenon and the testimony of millions of abductees.
01:31:53.540So the data comes from competent abduction researchers, especially those of the past.
01:32:01.500You know, it began, a lot of this began with Dr. John Mack, whose conclusions I disagree with.
01:32:05.460He was approaching this whole thing from a psychological perspective, but he kind of laid a foundation for abduction research and he did some good work.
01:32:12.020But then you have people like Bud Hopkins, who was an excellent abduction researcher. You had Dr. Carla Turner, who was herself an abductee and her family, did phenomenal research into the topic. And then, of course, Dr. David Jacobs, among others. And the data is conclusive.
01:32:27.820and when you take the body of data, and by the way, I talk to abductees all the time who come
01:32:34.620to me, most of whom are Christians, by the way, who come to me, and all of their experiences are
01:32:38.900consistent. Everything I'm told is completely consistent with the data. Now, the abduction
01:32:45.540is a field of ufology. This is the field where you have the most evidence, by far. Abductees
01:32:52.020are physically missing when they're abducted. Their family members are sometimes frantically
01:32:57.320are looking for them police have been called search teams have been dispatched to try and
01:33:01.620find these people so abductees are physically missing from the point of abduction when they
01:33:06.840go up on what's that but not every time some people have all of the exact same experiences
01:33:12.800but never actually seem to have left their physical that's not an alien abduction that's
01:33:17.400not so it has all the exact same elements uh minus you could have a dream about alien abduction and
01:33:23.180never have been abducted well if you don't believe in the spiritual realm then yeah who cares
01:33:27.000No, no, no, no. Look, look, alien abduction is not a spiritual experience. It's a physical experience. Women are abducted. For example, they're laid out on the tables. They have all kinds of gynecological procedures done. They have their eggs are extracted. They're there. There's some sort of exotic component added to the egg in vitro. Then that zygote, that hybrid zygote is implanted into their womb.
01:33:54.060even if the woman doesn't have a womb, there's an extra uteral implantation, then the women are0.71
01:33:58.440brought back and the fetus develops in their womb. And they're reabducted before they start0.84
01:34:04.720to show sometime around the three-month period or before the three-month period. They're taken
01:34:09.040back onto the ship. Now the fetus is extracted and put into a gestation tank to complete its
01:34:14.440development. This is how women in the abduction program are used continually. And it doesn't even0.99
01:34:19.220matter if the woman can't have babies in the real life if she can't if she's if she's she can't get1.00
01:34:24.280pregnant the the grace can still impregnate her she still carries the fetus and it's still1.00
01:34:29.000extracted before she shows sometimes women uh are abducted and they have fetuses implanted or rather0.88
01:34:35.800zygotes implanted fetuses grow in their wombs these women are virgins they've never had sex
01:34:40.940and they go to their gynecologist and the gynecologist says well you're pregnant and they0.99
01:34:45.440don't believe them they think that they're lying that they that they didn't have sexual intercourse0.90
01:34:49.060and then the women sometimes contemplate an abortion and the greys know they come they0.63
01:34:54.940re-abduct her and they extract the fetus this happens routinely routinely men are abducted
01:35:00.760and their sperm is taken and very and it's not just that eggs are taken from them and a sperm
01:35:05.040is taken from them there's all kinds of things that happen men and women are are made to have
01:35:09.360sexual intercourse on board the craft often this is why so many abductees don't come forward with
01:35:15.560their stories because you can imagine if you're married happily married and you're holding this
01:35:21.140secret that you know you had sex with another woman on a on a alien vessel although it was not
01:35:27.660intentional although it was against your will that's a very sensitive topic and besides that
01:35:32.500abductees are implanted with screen memories very few abductees have conscious recall of the events
01:35:38.800of the abduction episode rather when they try to remember they're presented with false memories
01:35:43.860called screen memories which are implanted into their brains during the abduction episode and this
01:35:49.640is what's called this is what abduction researchers refer to as mind scanned or or dr jacobs calls it
01:35:56.440neural engagement in which the grays or the insectilins put their face like basically touching
01:36:01.480the abductees face and they look into their eyes and they implant memories and they conceal the
01:36:07.340real memories of the of the event behind a firewall a firewall this feels very similar to
01:36:14.860the um you know sons of god coming into the daughters of man making a hybridization program
01:36:19.580but if you are looking at the events in the bible as um symbolic and not actually a physical event
01:36:28.180that takes place nobody's actually seeing these things well in the let's frame it in the way that
01:36:34.100we talked about at the top of the show when we're talking about angelic beings and things of that
01:36:38.180nature um and then this is exclusively a physical phenomenon so i can see why there is uh a basically
01:36:47.960a disagreement between us because i would say that these things both in in the biblical sense
01:36:53.440and in the modern day alien abduction sense um are spiritual and are physical and are reiterations
01:37:00.480This is a repackaging of the same thing that happened all those ages ago.
01:37:05.220With all due respect, you just said nothing.
01:37:18.960By the way, the first cause of the Watchers' sin, of the Watchers' rebellion, was lust, according to the Book of Enoch, and also Genesis 6.
01:37:29.380they lusted after the daughters of men that's a physical impulse now you you if you're how do you
01:37:36.280explain lust without without the biological equipment i mean you how could how does that0.78
01:37:42.500how does an ethereal spiritual being lust after a physical woman they lusted and then they descended0.99
01:37:49.680of the earth they took wives and they copulated they had sexual intercourse with these women0.97
01:37:55.520I'm not saying that this is spiritual or symbolic.0.89
01:38:44.560So there's a foundational story that has given rise to a lot of mythology among these other cultures.
01:38:54.040But the fundamental principles of this common story are there, that the gods descended to the earth, that they cohabited with human beings, they copulated with human women, and they progenerated a race of hybrid demigods.
01:39:08.680That's a historical narrative across the board.
01:39:11.160Now, various cultures interpret this in various ways.
01:39:14.560The Hebrews are really the only ones who view this as negative, as that this was a dystopian nightmare, that the gods who descended to the earth were in rebellion against the most high God, that the knowledge that they distributed to the human beings corrupted the human race and led to the cataclysm of the flood.
01:39:39.580Now, in the other cultures, they have the inverse because they're Luciferian. They're coming from a Luciferian theological perspective in which the gods that descended were the good guys, and that they gave mankind, they gave this forbidden knowledge to mankind because they were benefactors of mankind.0.80
01:40:01.440and they they are the ones that and if you go i mean if you mix this in with ancient astronaut
01:40:07.000theory uh then these gods created us and and so forth so so that's that's a very anti-biblical
01:40:13.380perspective which the pagan nations had so i don't really care what they say in their mythologies
01:40:18.620if you're coming at this from a biblical perspective then we're talking about the the the
01:40:24.320The cosmological, historical narrative of the Hebrews, which casts these gods as insubordinate sons of God, i.e. watchers who descended to the earth and physically engaged with human women, physically copulated with human women.
01:40:42.700So there's nothing symbolic here at all. This isn't in the context of a prophetic perceptual experience.
01:40:49.840this is history and in the same way that the alien abduction is not in the context of a of a
01:40:56.940perceptual experience it's not it's not a near-death experience it's not sleep paralysis
01:41:01.620it's not uh out of an out-of-body experience it is in the same way extremely utterly physical
01:41:10.140everything about it is physical now now there are some perceptual elements again false memories
01:41:16.380that are implanted into your brain so abductees that can have some conscious recall of an abduction
01:41:22.200event often remember are often recalling false memories and so you have all manner of wacky
01:41:28.640things in there all kinds of like um based on their background much like a near-death experience
01:41:33.660based on their cultural or religious background you know they'll say that oh i was i these
01:41:39.580beautiful beings showed up in my room they were beings of light and and they were and they were
01:41:45.280giving me a message about you know how um how i need to reach a higher spiritual vibration or
01:41:53.180something like that if you're if you're coming from the new age when in reality what actually
01:41:57.120happened was gray aliens showed up and abducted that person and they were subjected to the to
01:42:02.460the typical procedures on board the alien vessel that's the abduction phenomenon it is utterly
01:42:08.100physical what do you think about the notion if someone were to say um the alien phenomenon
01:42:14.920and its hybridization elements is the same thing and is a as a rebranding a long-form deception
01:42:22.940mixing up let's say the characters the visage things of that nature um but is at its core the
01:42:30.300exact same thing i wouldn't necessarily perpetrated by the same the same perpetrators
01:42:34.880um i wouldn't necessarily agree with that although i don't believe that the watchers are gray aliens
01:42:41.020uh and i don't believe that the insectulins are gray aliens now are there are there let's say you
01:42:47.180have the the insectulins who are clearly managing the program and for those who don't know the
01:42:52.620difference they're clearly managing the program i'm just curious based on the based based on the
01:42:56.540the abduction material the insect what elements um they're the ones in charge on board the craft
01:43:02.580they have the clipboards ah oh no they have the capes literally they wear capes i didn't know
01:43:09.180were capes with high collars and and and they are the managers of the program they're clearly in
01:43:15.720charge i think they manufacture the grays the little grays um so there and i would and i would
01:43:21.020describe them as the organic biological species the insectilines um now these are the mantid
01:43:28.960beings that you know insectiline is is a is a term that was uh that was created by dr david
01:43:37.200Jacobs. Now, is it possible that above the Insectilids, that the architects of this entire
01:43:43.740thing are, quote unquote, fallen angels? Okay, I got no problem with that. That's a distinct
01:43:49.880possibility. That's a distinct possibility. Now, that doesn't mean that the gray aliens are demons.
01:43:56.400They're not disembodied spirits of dead giants. And I don't believe they're meat suits, by the way,
01:44:01.080for many reasons. It doesn't make any logical sense that the grays are meat suits. Look,
01:44:06.460But not everything has to be a fallen angel, an angel, a fallen angel, or a demon, okay?
01:44:14.060That's not the only things that exist in the universe.
01:44:17.640God doesn't have to tell us about everything that exists.
01:44:19.900He is under no obligation to tell us anything at all, actually.
01:44:23.060Would you say that the categories could be twofold, or is there a third, meaning in alignment with God, in opposition to God, or is there a neutral in all this?
01:44:34.700And can it be neutral on the topic of God?
01:44:39.560The Bible seems to suggest that there are neutral factions.
01:44:44.620There's a verse, and I'm trying to remember where it is, where Miros is invoked and curse Miros and the inhabitants thereof because they did not come to aid the Lord, to aid the Lord against the mighty.
01:45:04.700Okay, so this sounds like a Switzerland faction that's kind of like, no, we're not going to get involved here. And who is the Lord being aided? Why does the Lord need aid against the mighty?
01:45:15.080So I think that this is invoking a war, a conflict that took place in a pre-Adamic context. Of course, I go through all of this in my book, Birthright, and that it was factional. There were factions.
01:45:29.140There was obviously the great rebel, the dragon, who engaged in an insurrection against the king of heaven and the kingdom of heaven, and he drew into his rebellion other actors who aligned themselves with him against the kingdom of heaven.
01:45:47.980they were the minority, but there was a massive conflict. I think that that conflict led to the
01:45:53.660obliteration of a planet called Rahab in the Bible, and that this, again, this reference to
01:46:01.900Miros, and by the way, this is what some Jewish commentators believe as well, not that I really
01:46:06.880care what Jewish commentators think, but I find it interesting. Some Jewish commentators believe
01:46:11.420that miros was a planet and it was inhabited interestingly enough uh i'm trying to remember
01:46:18.140the the specific ancient jewish writing where they say this um it's in my book interestingly
01:46:24.080enough they believe that miros was inhabited by beings of of intellect who were scientific
01:46:30.600who were profoundly intellectual but they didn't have like human empathy they weren't like us well
01:46:38.900that sounds like gray aliens to me, but I don't know if that's the case. But yeah, it's certainly0.99
01:46:44.620possible that there are all kinds of factions out there in the universe. And the question is,
01:46:51.240in regard to people say, well, how does that fit into the Bible? Well, it's very simple. It's
01:46:54.420allegiance. What is your allegiance to the kingdom of heaven? Are you for the king or are
01:47:00.640you against him? That's what it boils down to. It's allegiance. Everything is allegiance. That's
01:47:05.700what it was to the ancient israelites well doesn't he just say whoever is not with me or not for me
01:47:11.200is against me that's why they say then in that way then there's only two well you're either against
01:47:16.360him or with him who think they're neutral or attempting to act neutrally but that's why0.84
01:47:21.880that's why the lord says curse ye curse ye miros and the inhabitants thereof so um yeah i think
01:47:31.200that it's very factional. I think this thing is way bigger than we can even comprehend. We're not
01:47:36.100told everything. We're like dumb, dumb children over here. We can't hardly comprehend the things1.00
01:47:42.720that have been told to us. That's why Jesus spoke to us like little children in parables, which are,
01:47:48.800by the way, parables are a form of allegory. That's how the Son of God spoke to us when He
01:47:55.380walked among us he treated us like little children ignorant god does not tell us everything he's
01:48:01.960under no obligation to tell you anything about anything but he has conveyed to us the gospel of
01:48:07.480his son and and we have enough information to know how to please god who he is what he expects of us
01:48:16.500and to comport ourselves in a way that honors him and to be loyal to him and his kingdom we have
01:48:22.640enough information for that for sure from the Bible, but it doesn't tell us everything. The
01:48:27.040Bible, we have a kind of being. You can call it a being. I'm not sure that that would be the right
01:48:33.300term for it. That is living with us right now. Unquestionably, this is a matter of
01:48:38.940fact, okay? That is co-inhabiting the earth with us right now, that the Bible says nothing about
01:48:45.820absolutely nothing, okay? And I'm going to use the word being, even though it's not
01:48:52.580technically correct what i'm referencing here are advanced robotics with artificial intelligence
01:48:58.620right correct we are living in a time when we have advanced robotics and i'm talking about you
01:49:05.280guys have seen the tesla robot and the robots that are much more advanced than tesla some of
01:49:09.740the ones that are being developed for example by boston dynamics absolutely mind-blowing how
01:49:14.680advanced these robots are human and a lot of them are humanoid right so you have you have the
01:49:18.860physical hardware of a of like a of like a um a humanoid right and then you have the software
01:49:27.620the the the consciousness we maybe we can call it even though i don't think it's consciousness but
01:49:32.480by way of um um analogy here a consciousness in the form of artificial intelligence walking
01:49:41.160among us right now right this is fact the bible says exactly nothing about this reality
01:49:50.680zero nothing doesn't predict it doesn't allude to it now you could say oh there's this amorphous
01:49:57.620text here that might be you know knowledge will increase and so forth sure but but but what i'm
01:50:03.800trying to illustrate here is we have this this robotic artificial intelligence there's there's
01:50:10.160no there's nothing to indicate in the scriptures that this reality well some would say that the
01:50:15.220passage in revelation where men want to die they seek death and they can't die that that's alluding
01:50:19.680to sure that's that's an amorphous reference to something that we can speculate about
01:50:24.060i i personally think that that's because of the post-human condition transhumanism
01:50:28.800and that there there there's some sort of a biological a cybernetic component there
01:50:34.040or genetic component that makes it very difficult for people to die in the future that's speculation
01:52:20.840I refer to it as perceptual cataracts because that's precisely what Paul describes when he says that we see in a mirror dimly or we see through a glass dimly, okay?
01:52:32.320So there are, there's more to the created order than we can perceive. Okay, there's, let's put it in these terms. I subscribe to the hyperspatial theory of the universe. The hyperspatial theory of the universe posits that there are more dimensions than the three that are directly accessible to us, albeit very, very tiny dimensions.
01:52:54.380we're talking like subatomic dimensions that are not accessible to us, but nevertheless could be
01:52:58.820perceivable by us if we had the ability to perceive them. Now, we can perceive them to
01:53:04.300some extent with technology, right? And we probably will increasingly as we move into the future,
01:53:08.920be able to perceive these additional dimensions to the universe. Now, these dimensions that I'm
01:53:14.980talking about in the hyperspatial universe are not other realms. They're not like, it's not
01:53:18.760multiverse. These aren't other universes. These aren't other dimensional worlds. These are simply
01:53:23.920the additional directional, directional dimensions of our universe that are inaccessible to us and
01:53:31.840imperceivable by us. However, I would contend that Adam, that mankind, in our original condition,
01:53:41.140that we could perceive the dimensional totality of created order. We could perceive it. For example,
01:53:48.560we right now, we can't see an infrared, right? But we know that the infrared spectrum band exists on
01:53:53.780the on the spectrum we just it's just not within that narrow window that we can actually see with
01:53:59.260our eyeballs right but it's still there now that is in a different dimension that's just what most
01:54:04.560of us refer to as the spirit realm you refer to as hyperspatial then is really what we're getting
01:54:09.200no not necessarily so so the problem is that you guys can't define what you mean by spirit
01:54:13.900so do the do the people in this what are the people in the spirit realm do
01:54:19.020well there's a lot going on what does the holy spirit do do they drink yeah i mean they show up
01:54:26.120in the natural realm too like to your point no no maybe they're there all along but then we have
01:54:30.380the ability to see them they show up with god at sodom and gomorrah there's these angels that come
01:54:34.420along with them they're eating they're drinking they show up they hang out with abraham i mean
01:54:38.780there's a lot of things in that spirit realm that you're invoking do they do i don't see why they
01:54:42.820wouldn't i think there's physicality in the spirit that's great i'm glad you're saying that okay so
01:54:46.560what is the difference between that spiritual realm that you're talking about and just the
01:54:51.900universe that we inhabit access right like who's there who's not i mean it's just an access thing
01:54:57.540but okay so why couldn't what you're describing just be another place within our universe
01:55:02.600i don't see why i can't okay good i'm glad you said that so that would make it okay let's be a
01:55:09.920little bit more specific okay people get uncomfortable when we do i mean it's it's
01:55:13.440there right in the two king six it's there it's just now he can see it yes but this is it that's
01:55:18.760what i was trying to illustrate is that's a perceptual problem elijah prayed that his
01:55:23.720servant's eyes would be opened in other words they're there we just don't have the ability
01:55:28.760to perceive the the the totality of created order and i would concede i subscribe to the
01:55:35.040hyperspatial theory of the universe in that there are facets of the universe that are all around us
01:55:40.520but are inaccessible to us, nevertheless, they are facets of this universe, of this realm,
01:55:49.300of this universe. So I think that the kingdom of God has locality. I think it's probably at the
01:55:55.560very center of the universe. Everything that we do here on earth, they do there. They eat,
01:56:01.180they drink, they make music. There's cities, there's walls, there's technology that, in fact,
01:56:07.580what we have is derived what we have comes from there we didn't invent civilization we inherited
01:56:13.180it and so there's a lot of confusion when the word spiritual is invoked in any kind of a
01:56:19.700conversation because what people automatically think is disembodied like this is a disembodied
01:56:25.880realm like an ethereal disembodied realm which doesn't make any sense whatsoever because there's
01:56:32.380no difference scripturally between that realm that quote-unquote realm and this one rather what
01:56:39.420what appears to be the reality is that there's other places in our universe where these beings
01:56:47.640come from okay so it's an extraterrestrial reality as much as it would ever be an extra
01:56:54.300dimensional reality and when people invoke uh extra dimensions the problem that i have with this
01:57:01.240is that you guys understand that there are there are first of all there is no proof
01:57:07.540there really is no scientific even though i subscribe to hyperspatial theory of the universe
01:57:12.740there's no scientific proof that there are any that there are any higher dimensions or anything
01:57:17.780like that we still don't have any ironclad proof what we have are you know dozens not just a few
01:57:24.900dozens of disparate scientific theories that differ one from another incorporating the idea
01:57:33.820of extra dimensions there is no unified theory of extra dimensions there are there's the uh the
01:57:41.380alternative worlds theory there's uh the hyperspatial theory there's multiverse you know
01:57:48.240there's a suite of different theories and they're all different but what we do all of us collectively
01:57:53.220what we do when we invoke extra dimensions and spiritual realms what we're doing is we are and i
01:57:59.740do this too we are unconsciously referencing pop culture we're referencing our ideas of the
01:58:06.760spiritual realm or of the or of the of an extra dimensional realm or interdimensional beings
01:58:12.780you started this show referencing pop culture so that's a little bit disingenuous like well
01:58:17.960those are good examples lord of the rings well i mean i think stranger things is a is a good
01:58:22.220example of people possibly channeling so but can i just can i just ask this then so like when paul
01:58:26.720goes to the third heaven like how do you describe that then like what like what's he doing what is
01:58:32.400that he said he doesn't know if it was in the body or out of body i don't think he went anywhere no
01:58:35.820one ever went anywhere ever even enoch if you read the book of enoch didn't go anywhere contrary to
01:58:42.380popular belief he was taken but he was taken somewhere else on the earth and his activity
01:58:47.660the book of Enoch says, was with the watchers being the intermediary between the good watchers
01:58:53.160in heaven, the holy watchers, and the apostate watchers on earth. So Jesus' ascension in Acts
01:58:58.1201? Jesus says, I'm glad you brought up Jesus. Yeah, Jesus is different, okay? Jesus is completely
01:59:03.280different. He's the Son of God. He descended from heaven. Jesus said that no man has ascended or
01:59:08.360descended from heaven save the Son of Man, okay? So Jesus is the one who descended from heaven,
01:59:15.260And Jesus said that no man has seen the Father at any time, by the way.
02:03:56.040Are they coming from a different universe that has different scientific properties?
02:03:59.660In other words, the laws of nature are different where they come from.
02:04:03.160But see, that doesn't make any sense, because if they're coming here, let's be specific to aliens here.
02:04:07.940If aliens are coming here from a different universe with different physical properties, their technology wouldn't make any sense to us.
02:04:17.120They wouldn't have – their anatomy wouldn't make any sense to us.
02:04:21.260Their technology, when it crashes, and we can, to some extent, understand some of it, reverse engineer some of it.
02:04:27.960There's claims I think are credible claims, by the way, the fiber optics and night vision and some of these other things have come from the legacy program.
02:04:35.780I suspect that there's some truth to that. So how would we make sense of interdimensional technology? That doesn't make any sense. So I don't see why we need to invoke, A, a spiritual realm, or B, an interdimensional realm when we're talking about the things that happen within the biblical context and also the UFO phenomenon. Why do we need to invoke any of that? Can't we answer all the questions inside of our universe?
02:05:04.260i don't know it says that the worlds were framed by the word of god and those things which appear
02:05:09.000were made of things that don't appear right like something was made excuse me from an unseen realm
02:05:14.260and there is like properties where jesus shows up and he can come through walls i don't know where
02:05:19.720jesus comes through walls right like he he can like defy physicality coming through a wall to
02:05:24.440be in the room but then at the same time he can be in union with physicality and he's eating he
02:05:28.920can kind of do both with that glorified body so well i don't know but i guess we're just kind of
02:05:32.940like parsing words well i'm just i think we're saying uh possibly and and timothy's saying
02:05:38.960definitely not so that's definitely not what no i think he's kind of saying a lot of the same stuff
02:05:44.540we're just kind of parsing i mean as far as i'm concerned it's it is it's minutiae it's nuance
02:05:48.420it's it's definitions which is fair i mean you need to have a we'll never ground but your main
02:05:53.120your main thing this whole time and watching this from an outsider was that like timothy alvarino
02:05:57.140definitely came hard in the old gen six production stuff talking about like yeah man when this stuff
02:06:02.320comes on the scene dude from the alien realm there's going to be the uh the antichrist is
02:06:07.160going to come from that and you're just kind of looking more for him to sound the alarm nowadays
02:06:11.360well we already have that out back then i understand where he's coming from on that topic
02:06:15.520i think we we beat that one to death there is something that i would like his opinion on because
02:06:19.300he's so close to this alien uh tim you're so close to this we'll wrap it up yeah we'll wrap
02:06:23.660it up after this because we're at the two hour mark and timothy thank you if we if i was rude
02:06:27.140specifically you guys were rude i'm always very rude i appreciate you guys actually i want to say
02:06:32.680thank you not only for coming on this time but showing up like episode 30 of this show earlier
02:06:38.340giving us two hours early giving us two hours of your time you guys specifically told me i can't
02:06:42.760glaze them and you're glazing them now you made me not do that we can glaze now okay at the end
02:06:48.080all right listen we spoke about what we had to talk about i want a little time to go ahead and
02:06:52.560there is something that i want his opinion on because something that's um really shown itself
02:06:57.740in the uap community uh is this element of the divine feminine it's coming predominantly from
02:07:04.280like the bledsoes who are referencing the lady and these aren't authorities necessarily but they are
02:07:09.820louder voices in the space um what was the gentleman's name with the uap the egg retrieval
02:07:14.120uh jason um i forgot what his name is but the the big famous egg retrieval jake barber is also
02:07:20.640filled with this this thing that he defined as the goddess he used the language the goddess now
02:07:25.320the goddess is an element that shows up over and over again the catholic church which is
02:07:30.220you know one of your favorite institutions uh the vatican in particular uh it talks about you know
02:07:35.780mother mary being a co-redeemer bledsoe chris bledsoe says that this entity he's engaging with
02:07:42.780is mother mary but goes by a plethora of names hathor yeah um i think likely ishtar and all
02:07:50.080these other things are tossed in there and this is something that i see really on the side of the
02:07:55.480of the deception angle and and we have been primed as a as a people as a as a culture to receive this0.99
02:08:01.960idea of the divine feminine it's really a cultural phenomenon especially with feminism and things of
02:08:06.760that nature and then there's even this other additional connection of jack parsons you know
02:08:10.480employed by uh jet propulsion laboratories he's out in the middle of the deserts with uh uh l ron
02:08:16.340hubbard and he's summoning into through uh alistair crowley's works this entity called babylon that
02:08:22.440you know some say is supposed to usher in this this era of uh radical freedom and divine energy
02:08:29.800and all these other things and so i can't help but look at that and wonder if that's kind of what
02:08:34.620we are or have been prepped to receive and now we're seeing the actual manifestation of that
02:08:39.640in the uap space in regards to the goddess or the divine feminine are you seeing this what do you
02:08:45.260I completely agree with that. Yeah. I think that now therein lies deception. Okay. This is a great illustration here of why we need to delineate on this topic of UFOs and the alien presence, why it's so important to define our terms and to separate the different pieces and parts that we're talking about.
02:09:08.280So what you're referring to is messaging, messaging that's coming from Bledsoe, which is, in my estimation, deceptive. I think that Bledsoe is an abductee. In fact, I know he is. Him and his family are abductees.
02:09:23.980Now, they are conveying information that is perhaps some of it completely fabricated, some of it screen memories, and perhaps some of it they're being used specifically for deceptive purpose, you know, I don't know, or a mix of all of those things.
02:09:39.080okay so now you're talking about messaging and we're on this now we're on board here together
02:09:43.740the messaging there is deceptive but let's take that that and put it over here we can agree0.91
02:09:50.200that the all of that divine feminine and all that crap yes that's very highly deceptive highly
02:09:56.220um intermingled with the occult that's over here then let's take crash retrievals let's take the0.78
02:10:03.600testimony whistleblowers and let's put that over here in a different bin let's just call that and
02:10:08.320I don't know if you guys agree with that, but for the sake of argument, let's just call that fact, hard fact.
02:10:13.440It does get a little messy because the dude that retrieved that egg, he's actually retrieving it and he's having this thing happen to him.
02:10:19.740But yeah, no, I agree. We'll separate that for now.
02:10:21.600That's Jake Barber, who I know. He just described how the being in the craft that he was transporting, it was on a lead line under his helicopter, some kind of a saucer.
02:10:35.640Apparently there was a being inside of the saucer that was communicating something to him, some sort of a empathic communication that overwhelmed him with these feelings, which he describes as the divine feminine, whatever.
02:10:51.480I don't know what that is. There's nothing there. I have nothing to evaluate there.
02:10:55.960there's really no message there there's just a feeling now now if he were to come forward and
02:11:01.040say yes and now this this being tells me that you know jesus wasn't the son of god oh now i have
02:11:07.340something to evaluate and i can tell you that that's a lie right but i can't evaluate somebody
02:11:11.640who's interpreting feelings they're getting from some from an experience so i really don't have
02:11:15.620anything to say about that except for i think jake barber's telling the truth and i think he was
02:11:20.160actually recovering some crap with some something something interesting inside of them but but let's
02:11:25.240set jake aside for a moment let's talk about the ones who've testified in congress that bin over
02:11:29.420here i would say this is a this these are just facts that are coming out about a phenomenon that
02:11:35.680is real legacy programs real crash retrievals happen the bodies are recovered there's biological
02:11:41.600bodies they die i have whistleblowers coming to me by the way saying telling me stories behind the
02:11:46.140scenes so that confirm all of this as well and that's just uh that bin is just fact there's no
02:11:52.960messaging there okay there's no messaging there's no disinformation there that i can perceive there's
02:11:58.780no disinformation now i'm not talking about fake photos that were presented another i'm just talking
02:12:03.580about the basic claims of the whistleblowers that's just fact over here but about the divine
02:12:09.080feminine aspect though yeah the blood so because these are the guys that are these i'm trying to
02:12:13.440get these things separate in your head because you have them jumbled together and i'm trying to say
02:12:17.180No, separate these things. In the Bledsoe situation, you have messaging. And worse, you have theological messaging there. That's a whole different situation that's unfolding there. And I think a lot of it is just BS, by the way.
02:12:30.640You're getting like this Gnostic principle of Sophia, who's a counterpart to Christ that, you know, is untalked about.
02:12:36.660Like, this is something that permeates Gnosticism, but a plethora of other, you know, mystic schools or what's the correct terminology?
02:12:49.200Yeah, and some of the guys, some of the guys like, you know, Jake Barber is in Bledsoe's camp, okay?
02:12:57.340and then you got some of the other guys guys like Lou and Grush who think he's nuts okay or at least
02:13:04.540I'm assuming that with with I shouldn't say I just let me let me retract that I don't know
02:13:09.100what Lou thinks about Bledsoe but I know that some of the guys who are the nuts and bolts guys
02:13:13.980who know the phenomenon is real who've been involved in the crash retrieval stuff think
02:13:18.840that this other stuff over here the divine fact that this is all bullcrap okay so what I'm trying
02:13:23.840to do is get you guys to to to think in a much more complex way about this topic and to differentiate
02:13:29.120these things just to just to put this to bed um i am very aware there's a craft retrieval i i
02:13:35.240understand all that and i don't think that these people are lying when they're retrieving these
02:13:38.280things and i don't think that reporting on the things that you've retrieved or the nature of
02:13:41.740the technology or any of those things is a deception i'm not concerned about that uh if
02:13:46.300you find a thing it's and you're reverse engineering it if the government has access
02:13:50.200the technology from these crashes report on that that's fine i'm not saying that you're part of a
02:13:55.100deception or anything like that these are just the nuts and bolts so so that's fine on this show and
02:13:59.900our our audience is also aware this is just one aspect of it if you have a guy that is just nuts
02:14:05.360and bolts and he's looking at the technological aspect of it and he decides to report on it well
02:14:09.200that's exactly what it is and that's fine um so i'm not too concerned with with that aspect but
02:14:13.600this this this other thing this this weird divine feminine you know as you said crap uh and especially
02:14:20.600in in conjunction with the the timely announcement of the vatican or the catholic church that mary
02:14:27.140is co-redeemer uh alongside christ and then bled so saying that this thing is is mary um that starts
02:14:34.280to paint a really fascinating picture and it's it's got quite a megaphone right now it's very
02:14:38.680loud it's going viral constantly uh the bledsoe's chris bledsoe was just on a big podcast i forget
02:14:43.700the name of it but surely millions and millions of views and definitely is going to sway the opinion
02:14:49.140of people who are you know on the edge of their seats watching the ufo disclosure unfold
02:14:53.560yeah i don't disagree with that i don't disagree with that at all um let me let me before we go
02:14:59.360let me ask you guys a question okay here we go i'm going to paint you guys a scenario and i just
02:15:02.780want to get you to respond to this okay i like where this is going we have a situation unfolding
02:15:09.460in which for decades elements of the united states government military industrial complex
02:15:17.480together with aerospace contractors have been involved in recovering reverse engineering
02:15:25.000alien craft deriving technology from it interacting with the beings the pilots
02:15:30.860and dissecting their bodies and also with the living pilots and and making and let's just for
02:15:38.460the sake of argument okay concede to this making making um illegal bargains with these beings
02:15:49.780which i would suggest to you has happened i would agree and i say illegal because they're being done
02:15:54.700in secret and and there's no consultation with the american people which is the way that this
02:16:00.780kind of thing is supposed to happen we we're just lied to about all this and then because all of
02:16:05.380this has been secret kept secret for so long all kinds of illegal things have happened behind the
02:16:11.160scenes as i said earlier the most nefarious things you can imagine okay human trafficking associated
02:16:17.200with this experimentation on human beings, children, hybridization, illicit programs of
02:16:24.660hybridization in our attempt to understand the technology and to access it, harness it. Okay.
02:16:33.000People have been murdered over this thing. So there's a lot of crime. This is deep. This is
02:16:39.840dark this is nefarious and this is highly illegal okay that's here now you have and over here you
02:16:49.000have a group of people who are saying hey this thing's real this program's real and it's illegal
02:16:56.000and we need to get oversight and and furthermore the people who are involved in it they say this
02:17:01.500behind the scenes people who are involved that need to be prosecuted for lying to the american
02:17:06.420people and the american people have the right to know that this is happening because some of the
02:17:10.460money is our money right that's funding this evil stuff that's over here and then over here on this
02:17:15.940side you have a group of people who are saying nope nope the american people should not be informed
02:17:24.900keep this a lid on this nobody needs to know anything about this congress doesn't need to know
02:17:31.100nothing to see here which side of that are you guys on when i when i said when we watched that
02:17:37.760documentary i said this is probably what albarino is talking about is exactly what he just said was
02:17:42.580that like hey i'm glad that something's coming forth i just think our position when we watched
02:17:47.180the documentary was that it was creepy it was like it felt like the beginning of coronavirus
02:17:51.580where they were like you got to stay six feet away you got to wear the mask like here's the
02:17:55.820talking points with creepy bullet points and it was very corny and plasticky feeling but i said
02:18:01.180that that was probably his position and why he like defended it was it like hey at least it's
02:18:05.420coming forth i get it at least it's being said and i get it it's just i don't know my experience
02:18:10.020the last six seven years of like being i was more in the political realm before and you you start to0.69
02:18:16.740realize that you've been played a fool a bit this left right dynamic is nonsense and i don't mean to0.65
02:18:21.940like shoo-shoo politics. They're important in some way, like obviously how we govern ourselves.0.97
02:18:27.420But I know when I'm being given something and I'm being told to choose. The Jewish question is a0.59
02:18:34.060great one right now. This is out there. There's a dynamic, whatever. There's a dynamic going and0.99
02:18:38.960they're saying, hate them, love them. Neither of these are the answer. There's a lot more nuance
02:18:43.300here. So what I'm looking at is guys like Lou Elizondo who are in the government. And I'm
02:18:47.660looking at other people who are in the government and they're saying we need to suppress we need to
02:18:52.380release the truth is somewhere in between i mean i would say that but it does go ahead what i see
02:18:58.760here though is an idea that's time has come yeah this is happening whether we like it or not i'm
02:19:05.060just trying to be perceptive of the narrative that comes with it and the people that are presenting
02:19:09.600the narrative who's going to control it yeah and who's going to control someone's going to control
02:19:12.840this narrative but like if there are non-human intelligence and it's their time and they're
02:19:17.560ready to present themselves lou alessandro is not going to stop this the collins elite are not going
02:19:21.840to stop this your favorite senator is not going to stop this they can control the release they
02:19:26.580can control the demolition of america they can control the release of the public and persuade
02:19:30.720our opinions on it and that's kind of how i'm looking at this and i feel like i'm being
02:19:35.060manipulated especially by that but but it seems like you guys are kind of skirting around the
02:19:40.620question based on the based on the things that that those the data points i presented wouldn't
02:19:47.600you all of you acknowledge that the guys who are trying to tell the american people the truth
02:19:52.700and get oversight over these programs that are rogue wouldn't you say that's those are the good
02:19:59.980guys that's the question is that what's happening this is like the same question yes i voted i can
02:20:04.800tell you the guys that are destroying the grays i know guys who are destroying the grays voted for
02:20:09.640donald trump to get a certain thing and now we're here with these epstein files that will not be
02:20:15.460released and i didn't vote specifically for the epstein yeah we're not talking about donald trump
02:20:18.640we're talking but we are talking about this left we're talking about a left-right dynamic and like
02:20:22.440there is no left-right dynamic here there is no left-right dynamic here there's there's a bunch
02:20:27.700of there's a lot of terrible things happening in in the cover of darkness miles beneath our feet
02:20:34.160that have been that that that there's been no oversight for generations okay and this technology
02:20:41.100has leaked and is being used face peelers peru michael herrera's testimony human trafficking
02:20:47.620this stuff is being used to do the most nefarious things because there has been no oversight and
02:20:54.080the american people have been lied to the world has been lied to okay so it's a very simple
02:20:59.140question is exposing that and getting oversight over it and telling the american people the truth
02:21:05.060is that a noble endeavor forget about guys guys we're missing the point here it's a hypothetical
02:21:13.200how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning i feel hungry so but i did have
02:21:18.400breakfast that was truly what was being presented if that was the nature of it was that clean and
02:21:22.740cut i disagree with the fact that it's that clean and cut but let's add a third option i would say
02:21:28.080I would err on the side of the guys that are going to release the information and I would do my best to use my platform to insert the gospel into the minds of anybody who is looking at this thing because they are going to need it going forward.
02:21:38.660So, yeah, I mean, that's that's that's happening, whether we like it or not.
02:21:42.160And I would say that if you were a guy who was like, you know, let's say, hypothetically, really close to the situation, close to like an Alessandro or something like that, you used to be, you know, intimate with like megalithic structures, maybe in like a South American country.
02:21:57.100i don't know whatever and you had yourself grounded in christ i'm not sure we're like
02:22:01.080i'm just saying if you were that kind of guy and you were on a show and you wanted to give
02:22:07.640some indicator that you're just trying to maintain some air of of being reasonable and not be outcasted
02:22:15.800by a nuts and bolts community that's right up the ass of disclosure maybe you would do a thing on a
02:22:20.560show like a little meow or i would pick i would pick a side hey listen if i'm gonna if if i'm0.52
02:22:27.000gonna be able to learn a little bit more about what i've been studying for the last couple of
02:22:30.320decades yeah i pick a side and i pick the side of the guys that are clearly going to do it so i
02:22:34.120guess that's the answer to your question but neither side is correct if this is happening
02:22:38.240you think that documentary was creepy the way it was laid out it was like coronavirus beginning
02:22:42.580vibes like okay i didn't think it was creepy at all i thought it was extremely well you know what
02:22:46.180It was, Tim, it was like, as you were watching it, he just said he didn't think it was creepy at all.
02:22:52.080I think it was just a narrative that they were trying to frame the documentary in a way that people who are new to the topic can understand it.
02:23:03.960And that people who've been in the topic for a long time can also understand that what they're doing is confirming what ufologists have known for decades.
02:23:13.020There's nothing that they said in this film.
02:23:15.420You're a guy who's, you know, taken on a number of sizable projects.
02:23:20.000And this time right now that we're in seems very important.
02:23:23.760Is there anything on your horizon, maybe a partner documentary to what we just watched that helps people see this through a Christian lens and remain grounded in the gospel could be, you know, very valuable right now?
02:23:39.100You have some sort of a program, right?
02:24:10.480i did an interview with la where at the end of the interview he asked me if he could uh incorporate
02:24:17.680it into his conference conference so that's what that is it was just an interview and i and i i
02:24:22.880didn't really i had no objection to that so that's what he did um but listen uh i think that what
02:24:30.700what we need to do what you need to do here in in the audience i would say and what christians by
02:24:35.880and large need to do is decouple the reality of the phenomenon from the deception of the phenomenon.
02:24:45.040Decouple those things. We need to acknowledge the reality and not deny it, not pretend that
02:24:51.300the things that are real are not real, while at the same time being ready to refute, like in the
02:24:58.660case of the Bledsoe stuff, refute the messaging that is clearly anti-biblical, okay? Those are
02:25:08.260two different domains. You can acknowledge what's real and refute any kind of messaging that comes
02:25:14.940out that's contrary to the gospel of Christ. There is nothing about that that is confusing.
02:25:21.640there's nothing about that that is um trying to play both sides it's just acknowledging what is
02:25:30.420true and refuting uh theological messaging that is contrary to the gospel that's what i do
02:25:36.840and i don't we don't get anywhere when people are still arguing about whether or not there's
02:25:43.520a crash retrieval program uh oh we don't get any off the table yeah that we're we're fond
02:25:49.300beyond far beyond that pill i would say yes yeah so and then you know and then you have to be able
02:25:56.400to differentiate between information that's like in that film the age of disclosure information
02:26:03.660that's being presented in a way that is the whole intention of that film was just to say this is
02:26:10.600real here's a bunch of people who are in authority who are acknowledging that it's real and and here's
02:26:16.840here's the part that a lot of people go nuts about and this constitutes or actually let me
02:26:24.120be very accurate this may constitute a national security threat okay that's the film that's age
02:26:33.460of disclosure this is real and it may constitute a national security threat that's that's that was
02:26:39.580the thrust of the film there's no theological anything in it yeah there's a group of evangelical
02:26:44.300Christians, and I'll say this, and I know we have to close here, this group of evangelical Christians
02:26:49.020who don't want the public to look at this topic, who don't want you to know anything about it,
02:26:54.560who want to keep the lid on it, nothing to see here. If you look at it, you're entertaining
02:27:01.060demons or something like that, right? These guys, and I have reason to believe, by the way,
02:27:06.200these are hardcore zionist type people too who believe we're like israel first hardcore zionism
02:27:14.860uh so i'll bet you guys don't agree with that i just i would suspect that you probably wouldn't
02:27:20.040agree with that logically doesn't track because a hardcore zionist would be trying to bring about
02:27:24.280the end of times you're talking about dispensational dispensational evangelical christians0.65
02:27:33.200OK, it does track. And dispensational evangelical Christians, the vast majority of them think aliens are just demons.0.94
02:27:41.140The whole thing's just a deception. Just throw it all out. You know, UFOs and crash retrieval, it's all just fake gay deception, whatever.
02:27:50.780And and they're hardcore Zionists. That's exactly who we're talking about. OK, that's precisely who we're talking about here.0.99
02:27:56.940So am I with that crowd? No, I'm not a Zionist and I'm not anti-Israel. I'm just not a Zionist.
02:28:02.420And I'm not dispensational and I'm not anti-dispensational. I have lots of friends who are dispensational Christians and I love these people and I support them and I've got nothing against it. I'm just not that. Just understand that when you invoke the Collins elite, that it's not that these people are just these righteous people who know for a fact that aliens are demons and they're just trying to protect the public from a deception.
02:28:27.240no yes in their in their minds they are that doesn't mean that they're right there's in my
02:28:33.260perspective they're certainly not right about a lot of the other things they do so i think they're
02:28:37.420misguided and i'm i'm i am with the christians who want to tell the truth and who want to bust
02:28:44.760the bad guys who want to end this illicit activity and there's specifically a group where i work who
02:28:50.640i work with that they want to gather enough evidence of all this terrible of all these
02:28:56.140terrible things that are happening in related to this topic and other topics as well, present it
02:29:02.020to the president and to the administration and give them the opportunity to redress it, to shut
02:29:08.100these programs down, to tell the American people the truth, to prosecute the people who have
02:29:13.300committed these terrible things, to go after these rogue companies who are using the technology to
02:29:23.860do nefarious things. That's what these guys want. Guess what? I'm there. That's me. That's what I
02:29:28.500want. I think that is a good place to leave it. That is, but I would, I would actually like to
02:29:33.320make a request. I just put my hat on. Stop it. We're not ending it on your turn. Timothy, thank
02:29:39.140you for, thank you for taking the time to meet with us. If you would, Matt, can you take us out
02:29:43.300in prayer? Because I feel like what we're talking about, let him do his, put his plugs and tell
02:29:46.740people, you know, you've written a lot of books and a lot of fantastic documentaries. And I think
02:29:51.720that you know after this discussion a lot of people are gonna be fascinated to look into more
02:29:55.360of your work so if you could before we do that let everybody know uh what you've worked on where
02:29:59.600they can find these things well everybody knows i have a youtube channel i'm on x and instagram
02:30:07.280my handle's always the same timothy albrino um i have a whole i have a whole film series well three
02:30:12.620films in a series that no one's that i've never published publicly they're excellent they're
02:30:18.960they're i'd say they're better than the true legend series that's in my members community
02:30:22.920and i produced this some years ago and um it's more like about ancient history and elongated
02:30:29.580skulls and all that kind of stuff um so there's a lot of material over there my members community
02:30:34.460um but you know i'm i've got um a lot going on projects that are happening this year that that
02:30:41.340people want to track with those uh follow me on social media follow me on um youtube and i just
02:30:48.220want to say i appreciate you guys being willing to do this i think we probably agree on way more
02:30:52.640than we would ever disagree on i think that um once terms are properly defined um there's probably
02:30:59.580very little that we disagree on so um i just want to make it clear that i am not team deception
02:31:06.360okay and i don't just believe what the government says and i don't just believe what lou elizondo
02:31:10.580says or david grush i'm not that guy but behind the scenes i'm interacting with people who want
02:31:15.520of drop the hammer on the real demonic stuff that's going on in the background okay i'm with
02:31:20.740those guys just to be clear i'm with those guys thank you guys for having me on this was a lot of
02:31:27.300fun thank you for coming on i knew we were going to agree on it more than not just take us out in
02:31:31.980a quick prayer like just about discernment because this is very confusing you see how like like we're
02:31:37.880in such a tussle over terms definitions and it's crazy i hope this serves that like nine to five
02:31:44.400worker who doesn't have the time to delve into these topics whose occupation it isn't um you
02:31:50.080know we're all strapped for time and this is a confusing landscape to navigate and so i hope
02:31:55.200that this serves somebody out there and if anything i hope that it brought someone closer
02:31:59.920to uh to the gospel of christ but please yeah matt take it away god i just want to uh thank you for
02:32:05.440even making this a possibility today you god of all people know how grateful i am for the dude
02:32:10.880dude timothy alvarino and how wild this story is that this dude's just like on the tv now in the
02:32:16.600copy shop and we're having this conversation with him and i'm just i'm just very grateful for this
02:32:20.820god i just pray that like we wouldn't get lost in the minutiae and that the common people wouldn't
02:32:24.640get lost in the minutiae and the parsing over words and details and some of the stuff that
02:32:30.760just kind of like takes us totally off track lord but that i don't know like all this alien stuff
02:32:36.060lord you know i don't it's not even my thing like i don't really know much about all this stuff i
02:32:39.820just know that there are entities that are going to reveal themselves and try to deceive us and
02:32:44.600your word talks about how that uh men's hearts are going to be feeling them for fear for things
02:32:49.320coming on the earth and i just pray against all that stuff for everybody listening and everybody
02:32:53.280that's here today god i pray that like timothy alvarino would be our boy for long term like in
02:32:58.600the fight because honestly man i think we have to really keep track of like who's on our team and
02:33:03.580who's not on our team and i'm really grateful for this discussion that some of this stuff was able
02:33:07.620to be borne out. And some of Raven's, you know, real genuine concerns were able to be brought up
02:33:13.220and Timothy was able to talk through it. And I'm grateful the top wasn't like super nasty,
02:33:17.460but was able to get his point across too. Like this was just a rad thing. And I'm incredibly
02:33:21.520grateful to just have been a part of it, Lord. But that's really my prayer is that Alvarino would
02:33:26.020continue to be a voice. You know, he's been a voice in my life for, you know, probably a decade
02:33:30.380now and even into my kid's life and all these things. And I pray that he would continue to be
02:33:35.080that for many more people that he's moved the ball like so far down the field for most of modern
02:33:39.800American Christians that just couldn't handle like the things that were being said 10 years ago
02:33:44.320he's moved that ball so far and I just pray that he'd continue to do that and we'd be like a team0.99
02:33:49.940doing that Lord that we would stay focused on like who's on the team and who's not in regards
02:33:55.000to the kingdom of God Lord I just pray that you'd have your hand on us and guide us and instruct us
02:33:59.620and allow us to really preach truth everywhere that we go Lord in regards to like alien deception
02:34:04.520but in regards to everything, Lord, in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen.