Order of Man - IAN WENDT ｜ Brotherhood Isn't a Luxury

00:00:00.000 Guys, as you probably know, men today are lonelier, more exhausted, and more divided

00:00:05.360 than they've ever been. And most guys won't even reach out for help until their world is already

00:00:10.860 just falling apart. Today, I sit down in person at our new studio with Ian Wendt to talk about

00:00:16.900 why brotherhood is a necessity and not just a luxury. We get into the isolation of men,

00:00:24.380 the decline of the institutions that used to bring all of us together,

00:00:27.880 and why so many guys only show up once their wife has pushed them through the door.

00:00:33.180 From there, we get into the bigger picture, the forces at work working to divide us

00:00:38.020 along some of the most emotionally charged lines possible,

00:00:42.420 why nuance is where the truth lives,

00:00:45.540 how algorithms also build our lenses for us and what we can do about that,

00:00:49.920 and what it means to be in the world but not of it.

00:00:53.400 So Ian also shares what it costs him to speak up

00:00:56.880 when silence would have been way easier

00:00:59.080 and why becoming a father made that choice for him.

00:01:02.760 You're a man of action.

00:01:04.420 You live life to the fullest.

00:01:05.880 Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:01:08.800 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time.

00:01:12.180 Every time.

00:01:13.280 You are not easily deterred or defeated.

00:01:15.580 Rugged, resilient, strong.

00:01:18.340 This is your life.

00:01:19.400 This is who you are.

00:01:20.820 This is who you will become.

00:01:22.140 at the end of the day. And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:28.080 Gentlemen, what's going on today? Welcome back to the Order of Man podcast. I'm your host and

00:01:32.360 the founder, Ryan Michler. Got a really good podcast. I've been doing a lot more in studio

00:01:37.060 these days. And I've got my really good friend, Ian Wendt here. We're hanging out for a couple

00:01:42.540 of days, but we thought we'd throw down a really good conversation. And I think you guys will enjoy

00:01:46.740 it. But before I get into that, I want to mention my other good friends over at Montana Knife

00:01:51.560 Company. If you guys are watching this on YouTube, I actually gifted Ian a brand new knife from

00:01:57.900 Montana Knife Company and he loves it. So he's actually sitting here right now. I can see him

00:02:02.780 shaking his head. So make sure to check it out on YouTube and you'll see that knife. And if you've

00:02:08.420 got any hunts coming up, then look no further than Montana Knife Company. Go to montananifecompany.com

00:02:15.120 and use the code ORDEROFMAN at checkout.

00:02:19.120 All right, guys, let me get to my guest.

00:02:21.640 Ian is the founder of Official Patriot Gear.

00:02:24.420 He's an entrepreneur, a content creator,

00:02:26.480 and a leader of men.

00:02:28.480 He talks about growing up in a single wide trailer

00:02:30.720 in upstate New York,

00:02:32.200 one of five kids in a family of seven

00:02:34.220 with a father who worked just three jobs,

00:02:36.900 you know, not hard at all, right?

00:02:38.680 Worked three jobs to keep his family afloat.

00:02:42.080 After high school, Ian moved to Idaho,

00:02:44.200 studied film, served a mission, and then spent the next decade plus building marketing systems

00:02:49.440 and personal brands across Idaho and Utah. When he chose to speak out publicly, Ian knew it could

00:02:56.700 cost him everything that he'd built and cost him his job, essentially, but he did it anyways,

00:03:02.120 driven by one question, what would he tell his son if he stayed silent? Today, he builds apparel

00:03:08.240 and products, runs a men's group and retreats focused on brotherhood and accountability,

00:03:12.740 and uses his platform to encourage men to lead to serve and stop going at it alone enjoy this one

00:03:19.920 guys well first things first i got this for you i don't know do you have a monster knife coming

00:03:25.780 no dude i got that for you man they're sponsors of the show and so they they hook me up and bro

00:03:32.000 every time i see somebody get one of these i'm like when do i get one they're hard to get they

00:03:38.200 are it's crazy because this is and i've i've been at a couple of their launch like been with them

00:03:43.020 yeah they're launching yeah a new knife and they'll go sell hundreds and hundreds oh dude

00:03:48.300 two minutes he his his shop is literally like minutes from my parents house oh and i have

00:03:53.800 wanted to meet him for the longest time but every time i'm in montana i just don't have like the

00:03:57.980 time yeah but dude i'm so impressed with everything he's done i'll get you i'll get you guys connected

00:04:02.600 if you aren't already but yeah he's bro he is gosh is great yeah and the whole crew over there

00:04:07.360 look at the just the packaging yeah just from somebody who's done like apparel and products

00:04:12.680 and like marketing it's just it's one of one dude he just does such a good job josh josh right josh

00:04:19.980 yeah shout out josh this is freaking awesome oh dude that is so sick i think that's the magna cut

00:04:26.700 series so that one's yeah it said uh what what did it say it was called the stone goat i think 0.59

00:04:33.400 magna cut yeah that's i don't know where it is yeah stoned goat 2.0 yeah dude isn't that sick

00:04:41.500 i mean bro oh it's even got your instinct dude it's unreal man put our logo on there for us as

00:04:46.600 well like absolutely unreal i see my reflection it's freaking crazy bro thank you so much you bet

00:04:52.160 do you have any hunts this year no no now you gotta have a hunt i need a hunt i know i need one

00:04:57.860 dude do you hunt no we kind of talked about this a little bit so i um it's kind of embarrassing

00:05:04.480 honestly because i'm almost freaking 40 years old and i've never been hunting but i uh i grew up in

00:05:08.460 upstate new york and so oh yeah i think i did know that i mean i grew up in a single wide trailer in

00:05:13.820 upstate new york really yeah we didn't have i mean there was nothing there's no such thing as

00:05:17.700 hunting not only because we didn't have the money to do it but just because like my dad was working

00:05:22.360 three jobs to barely make it by with a family of seven you know he was knocking doors selling life

00:05:27.080 insurance really and going to school full-time and full-time uh church leader so like yeah there

00:05:33.800 was no time for anything i mean we were lucky if we got on a father and sons outing we did those

00:05:37.940 like camp outs every once in a while through the church and stuff right but that was fun yeah it

00:05:42.260 was great those are some of the best memories i have of my dad but uh but no i just like even

00:05:46.800 coming out here because i i came out to idaho um when i graduated high school went to school for a

00:05:52.900 year one of my mission came back and then stayed in Idaho and Utah but I just never like I was so

00:05:58.340 involved with everything else I just never really got to go on like to go hunting and I never really

00:06:03.640 had any buddies that hunted either all the way up until probably like a couple or several years ago

00:06:08.660 and I think I told you this but um I had a buddy his name was Ryan and he was actually going to

00:06:14.140 take me on my first hunt it was going to be a horseback hunt really yeah because he was a huge

00:06:18.220 hunter like we're talking where was it uh in idaho it was gonna be in idaho somewhere in idaho

00:06:22.540 um or maybe montana one of the two i'm not sure um but yeah he uh and then he he actually passed

00:06:29.780 away he dude it was the craziest thing he freaking he got rear-ended on his way to work one morning

00:06:35.960 lady just had a uh she went into a diabetic shock getting off the freeway and just freaking

00:06:43.400 plowed right into him pedal to the metal plowed he didn't even see it coming they said that

00:06:47.720 so she he was he was parked at the light right before the building like right before where we

00:06:52.620 worked and she just freaking rammed him they said the car flipped over into the canal and like

00:07:00.220 they said he didn't even see it coming and so um oh my gosh yeah and so like it was hard because

00:07:07.300 that was that was going to be like the first person i was going to go do it with right right

00:07:11.300 and so for the next few years i just couldn't really like you know i just i couldn't even

00:07:16.840 though i had a lot of opportunities i couldn't really bring myself to do it now i'm ready like

00:07:20.420 now now i for sure would do it and i would i would love to go shoot bows today though right

00:07:24.780 oh absolutely bro i told you to that again i'm embarrassed but like it was like last week that

00:07:29.580 i shot my first bow and i was like this is freaking awesome it's good right it made me

00:07:33.740 want to buy one immediately and i'm like i can't have another expensive hobby this is not good i

00:07:37.320 know that's funny because sometimes people be like oh hunting it's got to be so like a good

00:07:42.020 way to get cheap meat i'm like cheap meat i don't know how i don't even hunt and i know it's not

00:07:48.280 cheap like dude my buddies spend so much money on freaking hunting gear and everything that's

00:07:52.480 the thing that's the crazy thing is i'm surrounded by dudes who hunt and yet i told uh i told um

00:07:59.700 origin who's yeah yeah yeah pete and those guys yeah um so they're a sponsor as well but i told

00:08:05.320 them i said i want to hunt in just blue jeans boots flannel like our grandpa's used yeah so

00:08:12.880 they sent me those boots i gotta break those things in oh for real yeah dude and then they

00:08:17.640 sent me did i grab one yeah this is these are origin then yeah i just got those in the mail

00:08:22.080 hats off to them too about that man like again being an apparel and understanding what it takes

00:08:26.720 to make american-made apparel oh my gosh to make quality american-made apparel and to actually

00:08:31.440 stick to it i mean that's why i love like origin's great um montana knife is great sorenex is another

00:08:38.920 one yeah yeah like all these you know just american manufacturers and i love it but yeah so

00:08:43.760 they sent me a bunch of stuff so i'm gonna i'm gonna hunt like our grand our grandfathers did

00:08:47.840 and and put the camo away that's awesome we'll see even the camo get everything's expensive

00:08:53.340 oh yeah the arrows the camo the hunts the flights the the tags and licenses what's that brand ryan 0.61

00:08:59.420 wore the same brand is it kuyu is that how you say it he literally had every single day kuyu head

00:09:04.840 to toe really it didn't matter what he was doing what he was wearing it was always kuyu that's what

00:09:08.900 i remember him yeah and uh i just remember manufacturer i remember him telling me how

00:09:13.000 much money he spent on it and i'm just like holy crap dude i saw a sicka jacket the other day it's

00:09:16.800 like nine hundred dollars i'm like what is this you hiking everest with like old gold waist

00:09:22.420 or something yeah that's crazy dude yeah no yeah so yeah but it's fun man we you should definitely

00:09:29.180 get into it i i think i would love to like the power of proximity is always interesting to me

00:09:34.860 it's like you said you grew up in upstate in new york and i grew up primarily in southern california

00:09:40.340 until i moved to southern utah when i was 13 somewhere in there yeah um it's just who you're

00:09:46.260 around and what you're exposed to and that creates opportunities but even now i had a buddy about 10

00:09:51.980 years ago reach out to me and he's like i didn't know him at the time he's just a listener and he's

00:09:56.180 like hey man i want to take you on my first hunt and you know what's interesting i find this to be

00:10:00.000 more and more true the more i ask people to go do stuff is how many people just default to no

00:10:05.440 really yeah it's like hey do you want to go on a hunt no i can't hey do you want to go do this

00:10:10.620 cool thing no i don't see that's so weird to me because i'm always i actually it's a problem

00:10:15.280 actually like it's a freaking problem dude i say yes way too much like i i'm trying to say no more

00:10:21.340 but something like that i'd be like yeah for sure let's do it when yeah well i'll let you know

00:10:25.680 we've got two hunts they're both sold out i mean we both have those both filled yeah um i've got

00:10:31.140 a couple hunts in the spring please dude let me know yeah i'll i would love to it'll be my first

00:10:35.480 one so you'll have to you know not make fun of me too much oh we will for sure that's part of that's

00:10:40.500 part of the fun but no what you said about proximity is important because i mean even like

00:10:44.300 training right like i try to get out on the range as much as i can that i do you know try to focus

00:10:49.640 on just so that i can be prepared for my family and things like that and actually know how to

00:10:53.660 handle a firearm if i'm gonna carry one all the time you know yeah um and even just being around

00:10:58.960 the right dudes has put me in a place where i'm able to get to the range as much as i want yeah

00:11:02.760 which i probably wouldn't go if i wasn't surrounded by guys who want to go you wouldn't like i just

00:11:07.720 wouldn't i probably wouldn't go out by myself right and so it's important it's important that

00:11:12.260 you surround yourself with with guys that are also you know interested and actually interested

00:11:17.320 in the things you're interested in but also on a more important level trying to like do things

00:11:22.900 that are preparing them right man if you're not like right now i mean that it's important to be

00:11:28.940 prepared it is yeah and i i've found that i mean just through our work and i know you you're tied

00:11:33.400 into this as well with with the guys that you work with yeah like the amount of men who are just

00:11:38.280 lonely and desperate for a connection but they don't do anything to actually have the connection

00:11:45.060 right so they don't go out they don't they don't hang they don't call their buddies they don't join

00:11:49.640 a men's group that they do nothing and then they're desperate and they're they're depressed

00:11:55.120 and it's frustrated why do you think so somebody i can tell you what i think just from like the i

00:12:01.820 mean i've been running this group for i don't know nine months i've been working with men for a long

00:12:05.220 time but like actually running the group nine months so like i don't have near the experience

00:12:09.380 you do and i'm like you know you know how much i respect everything you do i i'm curious why do

00:12:15.140 you think that like i'll tell you why i think it is but why do you think that is i'm why they don't

00:12:19.040 connect yeah like why why are guys so apathetic when it comes to connecting to saying yes to you

00:12:26.260 know getting with other guys to joining men's groups things like like what do you think is

00:12:30.080 the main reason why so many guys just kind of like float and they just don't you know what i mean

00:12:35.240 yeah that's i mean there's probably a lot there is a lot that's a multi-faceted angle but i think

00:12:40.040 for the most part it just requires effort like and guys are tapped out like everybody's up to

00:12:45.460 the max with schoolwork and kids and jobs and trying to make bills and pay taxes like we were

00:12:51.520 talking about early um and so carving out time for that is seems to be a luxury when i don't i

00:13:00.580 don't think it is it's it's a necessity yeah um so there's that and another big another big reason

00:13:07.500 is men don't think they need it the only time that they and this isn't universally true but

00:13:15.320 it's generally true. The only time men start looking to get into that for themselves is when

00:13:22.860 they're desperate. So their wife left them or they're going through bankruptcy or a job loss

00:13:29.880 or, you know, fill in the blank. That's where men start to start to say, OK, well, I need to hurry

00:13:35.460 and do something now. That's actually so interesting. You said that because it totally

00:13:39.520 correlates. I mean, you said it's you said it's not a luxury, it's a necessity, which makes

00:13:44.480 complete sense why most men don't recognize it until it becomes a necessity for them in their

00:13:49.140 mind right until it until it passes the luxury state and it becomes okay crap my my world is

00:13:56.220 falling apart i need i need this yeah but you nailed it where it's like and and i will say

00:14:02.200 i've seen the same thing even just in the short nine months that we've been doing this like there

00:14:05.200 are two types of guys in my opinion i mean there's a lot of types of guys but two main types of guys

00:14:08.920 when it comes to who has joined and who hasn't there's the guy that like joins and actually

00:14:15.460 wants to change his life right and wants to like be better and wants to make something out of it

00:14:20.240 and then there's the guy that joins and just like doesn't really do anything with it nothing and

00:14:25.380 just kind of sits around and waits for other guys to maybe do a forum or i don't know and

00:14:30.720 what's crazy dude is the the difference and i said this yesterday actually in my story the

00:14:36.340 difference between the two men is so absolutely astounding like yeah the the the level of

00:14:45.720 integrity respect um for themselves for other people the ability to serve others the desire

00:14:52.540 to serve others um just the way that they step up in general in every asset of in every aspect of

00:14:58.740 their life is like a stark contrast from the guys that just kind of float yeah it's not i mean it's

00:15:06.340 It's self-evident, right? I mean, it's pretty obvious that if they're doing that in your group, they're doing that other aspects of your life, which is creating the lackluster results. But it's amazing how many guys just won't take a little bit of initiative, right? Just like figure it out. Let's go do something.

00:15:21.860 yeah i i mean i i will say that that has actually been kind of like eye-opening dude like i i

00:15:29.140 remember um i'm not gonna throw anybody under the bus but like the the first couple of retreats that

00:15:34.860 we put together dude i remember guys hitting me up and being like hey man so once i get here how

00:15:40.660 how do i get to the to the house like and they had the address it wasn't like they didn't have

00:15:44.300 the address like they had the address but they're like how do i get from the airport to the house

00:15:48.440 and i'm like like i was like oh i don't i don't we're not providing transportation they're like

00:15:53.120 oh no i know you're not providing transportation just how do i get there i'm like brother call an

00:15:58.060 uber you're 40 years old but legitimately dude ryan i'm serious man when when that happened it

00:16:04.200 kind of like opened my eyes because i'm like holy crap dude because i'll be honest with you a lot of

00:16:10.320 the men that have joined my group and i bet you it's the same with you so many of those men were

00:16:14.660 pushed into the group by their wives oh i get that a lot i cannot tell you how many times guys have

00:16:20.040 come up to me and been like dude my wife made me join this like not that i don't want to but like

00:16:24.380 she's the one that gave it that like sent me your video and got me to join and everything

00:16:28.100 and dude looking at what i've experienced now with these guys i'm like okay well it makes sense

00:16:34.800 because brother if you can't get an uber from an airport to a house how in the hell are you guiding

00:16:40.160 your family how are you alive how i mean yeah like how do you survive in 2026 dude like is your wife 1.00

00:16:46.160 making like what is going on probably like i've seen that a lot where women are well everybody's

00:16:52.400 burned out for sure i think men are burned out for a lot of reasons but i think one of the big

00:16:56.940 things is men are just they're exhausted they're tired of getting beat up they're tired of being

00:17:01.860 underappreciated they're tired of being told their masculinity is a problem they've been

00:17:06.540 conditioned and groomed to believe that from the time they were little. And so they don't do

00:17:11.860 anything. And then their wives are left with, okay, now she's got to be the wife and she also 0.97

00:17:19.660 has to be the husband. And so these women are doing everything. They're literally dressing 1.00

00:17:24.300 their husbands. They're buying their clothes. They're doing all the things around the house 0.98

00:17:31.020 that the husband should be doing. They're getting the oil changed. They're going to work and they're

00:17:35.280 raising the kids and so yeah women are just burned out so it's actually funny with our group 0.98

00:17:40.280 a lot of the times uh wives will mock it a little bit at first like playfully with their husbands 0.85

00:17:47.880 and then within two three four months they're like what would your iron council guys think about

00:17:53.840 or hey it's it's wednesday at seven you're meeting you're holding you better you got to go to your

00:17:59.420 meeting that's good and so it's actually pretty funny to see but yeah i think everybody's just

00:18:03.240 gassed man that makes i mean that makes sense it's true though i mean also the the amount of weight

00:18:09.800 um that men have to carry nowadays too and women but you know i i don't know man i think that that's

00:18:18.000 a lot that's that's very intentional as well though this world is definitely steering us in

00:18:23.120 general as a society towards this place of like constantly feeling like you're saying like you're

00:18:27.860 just tapped out yeah like it doesn't we were talking about this right before now we were

00:18:32.380 talking about how it doesn't matter how much money you make it doesn't matter how much output

00:18:37.360 is there it doesn't matter how much you're doing it just seems like you're always in this race 0.78

00:18:41.980 you're you know everybody talks about well i'm gonna become an entrepreneur to get out of the

00:18:45.920 rat race ha yeah good luck good luck like yeah the you definitely can control when you run on 0.84

00:18:53.200 the treadmill or on the freaking mouse wheel right but i can promise you you're still running

00:18:57.660 on that mouse wheel yeah you're still putting in the time oh no you know what i mean it's just

00:19:01.120 probably yeah probably more but you're just the only difference is you decide when you run

00:19:04.580 yeah like or if you run right but if you don't run nothing happens you know i mean like that

00:19:10.000 paycheck doesn't come that's the difference it's all on you and um yeah i just i think it's i just

00:19:16.920 think it's so interesting what you said was actually really like i'm i'm never going to

00:19:20.720 forget that you said it's not it's it's not a luxury it's a necessity and dude that's huge

00:19:27.540 because it makes complete sense why guys wait until it's a necessity yeah they you know we had

00:19:31.680 i have had even just over the past week or so i've had three or four really powerful conversations

00:19:39.400 with friends male friends that i can't have anywhere else yeah so then i'm just stuck

00:19:45.320 holding it all in and you know there's an a time there's a time for that right like because

00:19:50.180 sometimes when i'll say that people say well you know guys would be strong yeah of course like i'm 0.98

00:19:55.100 not going to go babbling around like an idiot all day when i've got work to do but there's some

00:19:59.680 times where i need to get something off my chest or um i need an outside perspective and the guys 0.98

00:20:06.100 in my circle i can call them and immediately it's like i had a situation where i didn't quite know

00:20:12.120 what to do i felt like i knew what i was going to do but i wasn't quite sure and i called one of my

00:20:15.720 buddies up i'm like hey man what do you think about this and he's like well here's some perspective

00:20:19.900 here's some ideas where where else are you gonna get that yeah you know you're not and and i think

00:20:25.280 i i want to challenge you a little bit though because i think that what you said about um

00:20:32.760 you know i'm not gonna just go and like talk about all the time like there's a time and a

00:20:36.240 place for that i agree where you don't want to obviously be the guy that's just going around

00:20:39.960 being negative and complaining about everything about your life every single day that's annoying

00:20:43.060 too but like i do think that we've created a society like you said where men feel like

00:20:48.980 it has to be some like very special occasion to be able to unload on on a buddy and I I actually

00:20:55.540 disagree with that because you know what I'll tell you what one of the coolest things about

00:20:59.260 this group one of the coolest things about getting into this and I know you can relate to this

00:21:02.620 is when you get those men sitting around a fire and they're willing to go real real deep and I

00:21:08.280 mean like like bring out the the deepest darkest you know heaviest things of their life and then

00:21:15.360 they find out that 90% of the guys sitting around that fire dealing with the exact same thing but

00:21:19.860 they did not think that and they thought they were alone and it took a lot of courage to come

00:21:23.620 out and say what they said and yet boom all these guys start saying yeah I'm dealing with the same

00:21:28.100 thing man it creates this brotherhood that I feel like doesn't exist in most places in in the world

00:21:35.660 anymore and I think it's because largely what you said because every all these men feel like there

00:21:40.840 has to be this special time and place where they unload all this stuff and while we do give them

00:21:45.500 that special time and place like around a fire the hope is that they won't just do it around a fire

00:21:51.020 from now on the hope is that they will call a buddy one night and be like dude i just i need

00:21:56.300 to talk to you man like and and not be a burden either you know i mean you don't want to be that

00:22:01.420 guy that's like oh dude he's calling again yeah i don't know i people say that but i don't i i

00:22:07.300 don't have anybody like that no i don't either every time somebody calls me i'm like i feel not

00:22:12.300 only do i want to help but i feel flattered i'm like oh you wanted to call me i feel valuable

00:22:16.440 yeah absolutely other people feel valuable then you know like who are we to deny a person an

00:22:23.220 opportunity to serve us in some way not only that i feel like if you've been given you know because

00:22:29.440 i i do feel like in many ways i've been given a i don't know if it's a mission or like a mantle or

00:22:37.260 whatever you want to call it just like a responsibility i guess an obligation with the

00:22:42.020 influence and the platform that i've been able to grow and especially now with what we have with mod

00:22:45.820 x like i feel like that's a responsibility that i've been given and so i take it very seriously

00:22:50.040 and especially understanding the depth of like what men deal with today i mean i don't know the

00:22:57.620 exact percentage it changes every day i swear but the amount of men who have considered taking their

00:23:02.600 own lives at one point i mean we we do at our retreats we do it every time it would blow

00:23:07.400 people's minds but we we literally say like if you have considered that raise your hand and it's

00:23:12.900 crazy every time dude because you'll have a couple guys that kind of like raise their hand and then

00:23:17.140 as soon as those guys raise their hand you have others and and dude it's like 70 80 percent of

00:23:22.120 the group every single time yeah and thank heavens you know i've been blessed that i've never gotten

00:23:28.640 to that point i can honestly say that i've never felt like okay it would be better if i'm not here

00:23:33.360 and i i'm very grateful for that but at the same time i feel this like immense responsibility to

00:23:39.180 help others especially with you know what happened with my brother like i just i cannot believe

00:23:45.220 that that many men struggle with something so dark and so deep and it's so widespread and so

00:23:53.520 to answer or to to kind of piggyback off what you said i tell all of my buddies the guys that i

00:24:00.200 consider brothers i'm like listen all you have to do is send me a text that says ian i need to talk

00:24:06.260 and as long as my wife and my kids are not in some like immediate need or like i'm you know

00:24:11.140 trying to be whatever like as long as it's not an immediate need for my family i will drop

00:24:15.680 whatever it is and i will get on the phone with you and i will talk to you for as long as you need

00:24:21.560 um you know what i also think it is too is again just to go back to that isolation thing

00:24:26.800 um you know when we were kids we weren't as isolated you know you had sports uh we had

00:24:33.940 community programs you know like there was boys clubs that you could go to there was after school

00:24:38.980 things summer camps summer camp boy scouts yep um even church attendance like that like the

00:24:44.640 the amount of community organizations that you could be part of naturally built some of that up.

00:24:51.960 But then when you start to get older, there's two things happening. You start to get older

00:24:56.000 after, after like college or maybe the military or sports, you're, you're now isolated. I mean,

00:25:03.760 really it's just your wife and your kids at that point. Yep. Um, and that might be part of an

00:25:07.960 agenda. I think we can talk, I want to talk about that. Oh, we for sure need to talk about that

00:25:11.480 And then the other part of, I think, that agenda is to strip away these community-type experiences.

00:25:20.420 I mean, think about what happened with the Boy Scouts.

00:25:22.440 I saw that coming a mile away, and people mocked me.

00:25:26.280 I'm like, Boy Scouts is defunct. 1.00

00:25:27.920 I said this about 10 years ago, and people were like, that's stupid. 0.99

00:25:30.960 I'm like, no, it's done. 0.99

00:25:32.960 Church attendance is way down.

00:25:34.720 uh what other what other uh even even just social clubs like rotary chamber of commerce

00:25:41.240 those are diminishing going away and so we used as men we used to be able to be in these

00:25:47.720 environments where we did have natural conversations and accountability i mean the

00:25:53.240 level of accountability that i had when i was playing sports oh like i remember i just made

00:25:57.820 a bad play in baseball i think i let a ball i caught i think i let a ball get by me yep and i 0.88

00:26:02.960 got my butt chewed by my buddies on the team like hey like yeah that's your fault you mess don't do 0.95

00:26:10.240 that you probably felt really bad too you were probably like damn like what was i thinking yeah 0.98

00:26:14.860 totally nowadays i feel like that wouldn't be the case i feel like it would be all like sunshine 0.52

00:26:19.320 and rainbows like oh it's okay dude get it get it next time like it's all good man don't worry

00:26:22.720 about it it's like what do you mean don't worry about it you just lost the game yeah totally

00:26:25.420 because we don't worry about it we just lost the game it's your fault i was talking who's

00:26:28.840 the other day about oh just guilt and shame yeah and i'm like look those aren't bad emotions like

00:26:35.360 you should have a little shame if you do some crazy stuff yeah but now there's no shame whatsoever

00:26:41.280 no none no so the accountability of acting properly uh is just gone yeah and what you

00:26:48.880 said about men uh what you said about the isolation thing i mean it's true even like

00:26:53.160 growing up as kids you know it was we talk about this all the time man but it was like

00:26:57.680 go outside and stay outside until the freaking night lights come on like that's it you know what 1.00

00:27:02.140 i mean and you're with your buddies you're with your friends you're making stupid decisions you're 1.00

00:27:05.240 getting in trouble you're you're freaking finding stuff to do in the woods like i lived in a trailer 0.97

00:27:11.380 park and an apartment complex so when i was with my dad i was in a trailer park when i was with my

00:27:14.760 mom was in an apartment complex but we still found a way to find our way to the woods yeah you know

00:27:18.680 what i mean we had to cross all the way across town like we found a way and um you're right you

00:27:24.220 were never alone you always had buddies with your friends or whatever and uh it's true like as you

00:27:29.900 become an adult and i i especially realized this over the last few years like my best friends

00:27:33.840 growing up they're still my best friends like i can still you know call them and talk to them or

00:27:38.320 whatever but it's not the same they're in different states we haven't been we i haven't seen them for

00:27:42.160 years it's just not the same and so i think most men that is the biggest issue the biggest issue i

00:27:50.100 feel like that we face as men is isolation and i absolutely think that's a that's an agenda

00:27:54.720 the the agenda to isolate men is the number one like driver when it comes to weakening families

00:28:03.400 society or communities society in general um it isolation creates weakness and if you think about

00:28:11.940 all the issues that we have whether you want to talk about politics so like socio-political

00:28:15.840 whatever it may be dude it all comes down to weak evil men like it that's what it comes down to all

00:28:23.020 of it it all comes down to weak evil men and i'm not saying there aren't evil women in the world

00:28:29.760 either but like largely this is driven by men who have been corrupted and have chosen vice over

00:28:37.520 virtue and have chosen money and power and control and fame over integrity and leadership and service

00:28:44.600 and all these other things you know what i mean they've sold their soul to you know we don't we

00:28:49.580 don't have to get into like super spiritual stuff or whatever but whatever you may believe i personally

00:28:53.600 believe this is satan's world i believe that we live in the adversaries world everything that is

00:28:59.780 being created and driven is driven by him and that's why it's so important that we need to

00:29:05.360 learn to use our agency to to be good to follow christ to follow god whatever you believe you

00:29:11.200 need to choose light over darkness at the end of the day right but the fact is this world is

00:29:14.900 governed by darkness and i don't think anybody can disagree with that at this point i think it

00:29:18.740 would be impossible that's pretty evident like it would be pretty impossible to argue the fact that

00:29:23.360 this world is completely and totally governed by darkness and that i would say the biggest driver

00:29:30.600 of that is the isolation of men and the creation of weak men through that isolation yeah guys let

00:29:37.220 me just step away from the conversation very briefly most men are not necessarily stuck a lot

00:29:42.720 of men are just scared and fear rarely takes your life all at once it takes one reasonable decision

00:29:50.040 at a time it's that hard conversation that you avoid it's the business that you never start the

00:29:56.000 thing you never say to the people you love but this Wednesday so tomorrow as of the release of

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00:30:45.000 after the conversation. Let's get back to it at the end. Yeah, that's interesting. So let's talk

00:30:51.640 about this agenda you know if we're calling it that is it um is it how am i trying to phrase this

00:31:00.200 is it like deliberate like we're gonna do this this this we're gonna enact these policies we're

00:31:04.680 gonna put these things in place or is it a byproduct of hey i just it's hard for me to

00:31:11.720 even fathom and wrap my head around somebody or a group of somebody's saying let's isolate them

00:31:17.260 man like there's no room where that's taking place right i dude at this point i mean i'm

00:31:23.900 everybody's favorite conspiracy theorist ryan but like honestly at this point i don't doubt

00:31:28.700 anything man like i do not doubt the fact that there is a small room and a small group of people

00:31:34.380 whose ultimate goal they they have gotten all the money and all the power in the world once you have

00:31:41.020 all the power and all the money in the world there's only you're not the type of person first

00:31:44.620 of all that's going to step down a rung in the ladder you know what i mean like once you've like

00:31:47.740 you and i we naturally climb the rungs we're not going to go down once we've gone up we stay up and

00:31:52.760 we that's that's the ceiling and then you continue to raise it right well just like that the these

00:31:57.460 men these whoever these people are which i do think that there's i don't know who it is but

00:32:01.980 there's a group of people that are truly governed and controlled by evil they have all the money

00:32:07.520 and the power in the world there's only one thing left there's only one rung left and that is

00:32:12.000 control once you have all of these things there's only one thing left that can satiate that desire

00:32:16.720 for evil and i believe it's controlling and that's you know that's why we have the problem

00:32:21.120 we have with child trafficking and human trafficking in general it's like you talk to

00:32:25.580 these uh predators and if you've ever listened to any of these interviews that they do with

00:32:31.080 these predators most of the time it's because they got to the point where they felt like they

00:32:35.120 wanted to control something most of what they did was because they felt like they were in control

00:32:39.360 that's because it's a child or it's you know what i mean like yeah just the power that it's

00:32:43.540 the ultimate power of feeling like you're you have control over someone and so if you if you

00:32:48.880 consider that that's happening on such a small scale well then it's i don't know why it's so

00:32:53.280 hard for people to believe that's happening on a large scale especially since if you actually

00:32:57.480 consider like history you know what i mean cabals and evil like child sacrificing things and all

00:33:06.020 dude that's not new right it's happened since the dawn of time there were there were people who

00:33:11.400 genuinely believed that they would have a better harvest if they killed kids and gave them up to a

00:33:15.180 god like it's not a fake thing it's real the aztecs the mayans whatever there were there were people

00:33:22.020 in the past that believed that if they sacrificed humans they would be you know they would have

00:33:26.500 better luck uh with with government with power with with their leadership all the way down to

00:33:33.180 like the egyptians i mean that's it's not like it's gone away it's not like this evil um idea

00:33:39.460 of wanting control over the masses has gone away it's just rebranded yeah it's not wearing gold

00:33:44.680 it's wearing ties yeah i think it's also hide easier to hide in a lot of ways because we

00:33:51.480 most people assume oh we're we're civilized exactly so like oh we it's even baffling to me

00:33:58.440 about the human trafficking i'm like how is this possible in 2026 how is this possible because what

00:34:05.160 i just said we all believe that we're civilized well and again i think that that's also kind of

00:34:10.620 part of it where it's like we have been desensitized to the point where and demoralized

00:34:16.180 where we just we yeah we believe that that there's no way that exists in 2026 what are you talking

00:34:23.180 about right there's no way and it's like no it does it absolutely does just like it's existed

00:34:28.120 all throughout history and it's crazy to me that people don't understand that but again

00:34:31.600 the best way to describe it is it just rebranded you're not it's they're not wearing robes and

00:34:36.880 gold well they might be behind closed doors who knows but in front of people they're wearing

00:34:41.680 suits and ties they look like everyday people but some of the worst most horrific things take

00:34:46.560 place with people who you'd never suspect i mean without getting completely into it man i had some

00:34:52.080 leaders growing up in church and in other places that you never ever ever would have suspected that

00:34:58.480 they were the type of people that they were and then years and years later in my adult life I

00:35:02.040 found things out about them and I'm like what are you what some of them are in prison I'm like

00:35:07.600 never like there was not one sign that they were doing the things they were doing and they're bad

00:35:13.560 things and like that is real and it's happening all around us and um so to answer your question

00:35:20.660 know to go back like do i think that it's this like calculator i think it's a combination i

00:35:25.020 i also think that we've gotten to a place where people have lost the ability to see nuance like

00:35:31.900 and i and i also think that's calculated it's it's like it's either black or it's white there's no

00:35:36.080 gray it's black or it's white if you believe this well then you must believe this if you're

00:35:40.020 promoting this well then you must promote this if you follow this person well then you must believe

00:35:45.200 every single thing that they say if you're on team this then you must be this person like

00:35:49.560 everything is so binary and the fact is that's not how it works there is nuance in everything so

00:35:57.300 do i think that everything is completely planned out to a t step by step by one small group of

00:36:02.940 people no probably not do i think that there's probably an overall plan that has been hatched

00:36:10.280 and that is being implemented piece by piece yes but then i also think that because of the way that

00:36:16.980 society has reacted to these different measures that have been taken over the years through

00:36:22.360 politics through social norms through whatever right through indoctrination society has reacted

00:36:28.700 in a way where I feel like we are our own enemy in many ways too and we're only helping their

00:36:33.480 agenda when we choose evil over good we help them when we choose apathy over action we help them

00:36:40.280 when we choose uh you know entitlement over leadership we help them and they're just I

00:36:46.120 believe that whoever that group of people is is like cool good keep going this helps us oh and

00:36:51.760 by the way i also think that it's a possibility that when things happen they see it and they're

00:36:57.200 like oh that's a piece on the board that we didn't see let's use that piece and let's move that piece

00:37:02.000 here and let's move that piece here so like for example i'm just going to throw this out here

00:37:05.720 because it's a it's a current relevant thing never in history in my at least as as long as i've been

00:37:12.740 alive have i ever seen so many personal family individual court cases go absolutely viral oh my

00:37:23.280 god nationally yeah which don't have any business being national like there's no reason that these

00:37:29.460 court cases or that these cases in general should have had national viewership none like they

00:37:34.740 happened years ago they were private family things how many of those things happen every single day

00:37:39.860 And these court cases take place and all of almost the exact same situations take place and nobody ever hears about it because it's in their state or whatever. Right. Even the state alone sometimes doesn't hear about it. So why is it that they went so like insanely viral all at once? Well, again, I think there's nuance to it.

00:37:57.660 do i think that there was an agenda to push them yes because i believe that it's done kind of what

00:38:04.660 george floyd did right before elections is it created this like manufactured war right but

00:38:09.740 instead of race it was gender and it did a good job because it not only created a war between

00:38:14.920 genders but it also broke up a lot of the like groups of people that normally ride together i

00:38:20.680 mean just on my like from what i've seen a lot of you know quote-unquote truth tellers or people

00:38:26.880 that question everything right it splintered that group because there were people who saw it for what

00:38:33.020 it was and was like hey like you there's you don't question everything like sometimes things are just

00:38:38.840 what they are right this one is what it is but then you have this group of people that are like

00:38:43.940 oh well then you're the enemy because i thought you wanted to question everything it's like dog

00:38:48.880 so so it's splintered groups that were normally riding together and would normally go to bat

00:38:55.480 together right and so it not only created an in-group and out-group but it also split the

00:39:00.260 in-groups and out-groups in different ways and kind of divided everybody in in many other ways

00:39:04.240 and on top of that it also created this virality that distracted from all the other things that

00:39:11.580 are happening in geopolitics and the fact that people can't freaking afford to pay their gas

00:39:16.780 twice a week or if you're commuting you're screwed yeah like it's wild so again there's nuance right

00:39:23.260 do i think it was kind of a calculated thing to launch those and make them go national to distract

00:39:27.500 everybody and to create this weird like divide yes absolutely and do i think that it's just a

00:39:32.400 coincidence that it's right before elections like everything else no and i think you're crazy if

00:39:35.900 you see that and don't or if you don't see that right it always happens right before elections

00:39:40.160 surprise surprise weird right it is weird too when you talk about the like the gender issue

00:39:44.560 because i've never seen when i started doing this 10 11 11 years ago um i think that there was this

00:39:53.240 undercurrent of man-hating when i started 11 years ago and then over the years i saw that

00:40:01.360 less and less yeah where where it seemed like people were like oh no we need we need men we

00:40:08.180 we like masculinity and so it seemed like it was getting better for five or six or seven years

00:40:12.960 and now it's worse than when i started like the amount of times i hear something to the effect of

00:40:20.520 all men are horrible masculinity is the problem men are evil but then you also see it on the men

00:40:26.280 side where the men are saying all women are evil all women this all went and they're doing the 0.99

00:40:32.060 exact same thing that these third wave feminists have have done and that manosphere if you want

00:40:36.460 to call it that has become the male version of extreme feminism it's the exact same thing with 1.00

00:40:42.240 black and white it's the exact same thing with christian muslim christian jews it's the exact

00:40:45.740 same thing with Republican Democrat it is this is the agenda so when you ask me do I believe that 0.79

00:40:51.540 there's like a plan to divide all of us and create isolation yes there is and it's it uses the most

00:40:57.920 emotional triggers possible if you think about when these divides happen they always happen on

00:41:03.180 the lines of things that are extremely emotionally triggering whether that's religion whether that's

00:41:08.060 faith whether that's gender whether that's race like it's always those things that people are just

00:41:13.880 absolutely rooted in their confirmation bias no matter what right and um but but let me give you

00:41:21.800 a little bit of nuance with it too because again i also think that it's not only possible but

00:41:28.160 plausible that when these things happen they don't start out as what we would consider psyops

00:41:33.400 i think they become psyops they're used yeah dude like very useful yeah again so like even just like

00:41:40.100 the court cases for example is it possible that you know uh the first one was really just something

00:41:47.680 that kind of launched because some crazy person made a video about it and it went viral because

00:41:51.460 of the way the algorithms are and then it just freaking went crazy is it possible that this

00:41:56.380 whatever you want to believe is controlling and pulling the strings saw that and was like oh

00:42:01.780 oh we can use this yeah like this is exactly like we this is what we needed right again i don't

00:42:09.300 pretend to know everything but i do think that it's crazy for anybody to discount the idea that

00:42:15.740 there is an agenda at play to divide us and isolate us especially men which in essence weakens us and

00:42:23.120 not only as men and not only as families and communities but as a society in general but that

00:42:28.820 there's also a lot of nuance that we have to consider and the fact that we ourselves create

00:42:34.780 a lot of the problems that we have and it's only helping that agenda it only puts more pieces on

00:42:40.640 the board for them it's like every time we take a piece of theirs off the board if you're playing

00:42:44.520 chess or whatever it's like they just they're able to put it right back on the board and it's

00:42:47.840 like haha right and it's our own fault and and even like what you were saying about um

00:42:52.940 you know it like it's interesting what you just said about men how you are constantly seeing what

00:42:58.400 you're seeing about men and women right i'll be honest i see that but i don't see it nearly as

00:43:02.080 much as you do but you do because your algorithm is pushing that to you totally because that's what

00:43:07.100 you're talking about right because that's what you're focused on and so it's like they've the

00:43:11.740 the algorithms and the social media and all this stuff has also created this situation where

00:43:16.460 it's only reinforcing that idea that everything is binary like you see your world from a certain

00:43:23.000 lens and anybody that's been in therapy knows that one of the first things that you talk about

00:43:29.000 in therapy is the fact that you are probably seeing the world from a place that doesn't

00:43:33.740 actually exist like when like when you look at the world you're seeing the world from

00:43:38.600 a lens that has been created because of the past traumas that you've had or the past experiences

00:43:43.940 you've had so for example you get yelled at as a kid when when you're five or seven right and then

00:43:48.200 you get rejected by a boy or a girl when you're trying to date when you're younger and then you

00:43:54.560 lose a job or whatever and so now you're going through this whole world not realizing it but

00:43:58.800 you have this lens on that says i'm not good enough or i'm not going to be accepted or someone

00:44:04.880 will choose something else over me every time right and every single interaction you have

00:44:09.340 you're having that interaction not understanding that subconsciously that's what you're seeing

00:44:13.200 no matter what but other people aren't seeing that right other people are seeing something else

00:44:17.440 that's the very first thing you dive into when you go through therapy i know that because i've

00:44:21.860 been through a lot of therapy and it's probably one of the most helpful things when you start to

00:44:26.360 realize holy crap dude i'm seeing this world from a place that's just like it's that whole idea of

00:44:31.320 uh false narratives that we tell ourselves right so these algorithms the elites whatever you want 0.94

00:44:40.240 to whatever you want to believe is controlling this is literally creating those lenses for us

00:44:45.000 now we don't even have to have the controlled experiences right we don't even have to have

00:44:49.900 the past trauma it's creating the trauma for us dude that's the scariest thing about it

00:44:55.760 and it's interesting because when you yeah i mean a hundred percent you're right and so but you you

00:45:01.980 don't know what's happening right it's very clever that way yep but yeah you're looking at it you're

00:45:06.660 like oh my gosh everybody's crazy and then you put your phone down and then you go to a baseball game

00:45:12.220 and nobody's crazy right you're like oh that person i would have gotten into a fight with 0.94

00:45:17.700 about some stupid thing online yeah they they and me are joking about like yeah having fun together

00:45:25.480 you know it's it's so weird it they what i've always said is i've said this from the very 0.98

00:45:31.040 beginning when i first started getting loud about everything they make the two percent seem like it's 0.74

00:45:36.620 the 98 percent yeah like the amount of people the the amount of crazy unhinged leftist liberals that 0.92

00:45:43.540 are out there in the world dude it's less than two percent of the world the amount of crazy

00:45:47.660 unhinged right-wing people it's less than probably two percent of the world but like the majority of

00:45:52.880 people are pretty in the middle like they're pretty i mean they're not as divided as as they

00:46:01.280 make us think now i would say that over the years we've become more divided for sure and so that

00:46:06.840 percentage may has may have shrunk but at the end of the day it's the algorithms want you to think

00:46:13.680 that it's extreme versus extreme right at all times there is no room for nuance because the

00:46:19.180 nuance is where the truth actually lives and the absolute last thing that i believe this agenda

00:46:24.980 wants us to have is the truth because i mean the truth literally is that's light that's good right

00:46:33.100 and the you know like we talked about um we've talked about like desensitization

00:46:39.960 desensitization and demoralization the final step of demoralization is that truth becomes

00:46:45.660 lies and lies become truth yeah right i mean everything's confusing when a society is completely

00:46:50.300 demoralized according to uh yuri bezmanov if you haven't if you haven't ever like researched him

00:46:56.220 it's a he's a think you told me kgb defector yeah you may have told me this when i was up at your

00:47:02.500 place i might have several earlier in the year whenever i was up anyways keep going he's so he's

00:47:07.200 he was a kgb defector and he basically has just had he's he's done all these like speeches and

00:47:11.980 videos and things on the steps of demoralization how you basically take over a country conquer a

00:47:17.640 country without firing a single shot and um demoralization is one of the main things but

00:47:24.900 the final step is that it gets to a point where nobody knows truth from lies lies from truth

00:47:29.860 and dude if you look around right now i mean it has never been harder to tell the truth from lies

00:47:39.080 no never not not in narrative i mean even even with ai and videos and picture you see things

00:47:45.580 you're like there's something right now you can cut you're like there's something off about that

00:47:50.720 but give it a month or two and you will not be able to but then you also have you were talking

00:47:56.140 about court cases you know there's this this big cornell controversy right now and it's like

00:48:01.800 nobody knows what's true you know you have i mean even the people involved are saying two

00:48:09.040 different things so it's like and then we're trying to interpret that through these little

00:48:13.740 digital devices and then we're arguing with other people who don't know anything about it exactly

00:48:19.440 because it dude it's crazy because it what it's done is it again it's created this like it's this

00:48:24.600 perfect in-group out-group scenario online i saw it first with the lindsey clancy thing like the

00:48:30.980 amount of people that regardless of all the actual evidence and the fact that this case went through

00:48:39.660 three years of an investigation was the investigation perfect absolutely not is any

00:48:43.840 investigation perfect no how many documentaries have you watched where you're like oh they botched

00:48:47.780 that big time like whatever right but even even so this this trial went on and the trial was never

00:48:58.020 meant to prove that she was innocent right it was to prove that she was mentally capable of knowing

00:49:05.460 what she was doing when she strangled her three children right that was it period end of story

00:49:10.240 was she crazy or not right she did it clearly she did it she did it and there was no other suspect

00:49:15.840 and yet dude i watched the entire internet create this alternate reality where it was the husband

00:49:23.440 and it was her and it was his girlfriend and was there a lot of weird things yeah for sure

00:49:29.360 but there was never any evidence provided or presented in the three years of this investigation

00:49:37.240 or in the court case itself by the lawyer who's defending yeah lindsey if there was even an

00:49:43.720 inkling a lawyer would have latched on it especially with the popular narrative and dude

00:49:48.160 i'm watching it and i'm like okay so you guys can't see the fact that this guy i i made so

00:49:53.640 many videos about this and i got so much hate dude i literally lost 1500 followers in one day

00:49:57.380 because of it really yeah because the majority of my followers are women and so they took it as me

00:50:01.420 being like a woman hater and a and a and refusing to question everything anyway so what was crazy

00:50:07.400 though dude is i looked at this and i was like okay reddington is a seasoned defense attorney

00:50:14.040 Yeah. 51 years of almost more than half a century of of freaking experience being a defense attorney, defending over a hundred murderers, a hundred murder cases.

00:50:31.400 He's pretty he's pretty cunning, too. He's if he can have an angle, he'll get an angle.

00:50:35.220 Not to mention the fact that he also has defended several child abusers and gotten them lesser sentences or off.

00:50:42.360 Not to mention he's the one, I forget what the actual term is, but he's the one that got another case with another woman.

00:50:50.300 He was able to win the case. 0.80

00:50:53.460 And it basically created this clause for women who are, who kill their husbands. 1.00

00:50:57.760 I can't remember what it's called, but anyway, yeah, something crazy.

00:51:00.480 but anyway my point was i kept on telling people like guys he's using you like you're all out here

00:51:09.300 saying oh reddington's leaving breadcrumbs and like he's gonna go after patrick after this and

00:51:13.940 like his he's playing it's like the whole it dude it was like watching q anon again it was like

00:51:18.180 watching maga with trump in his 5d chess i'm like and they were literally saying that they're like

00:51:22.360 he's playing chess not checkers i'm like no he's not he's just playing on you guys he's using you

00:51:28.520 to create the reasonable doubt that he needs to be able to get the case dismissed right and how do

00:51:35.360 i know that well because when the case was over and it was not dismissed but it was the yeah hung

00:51:42.000 right what did he have to do the day after he had to go on a media tour right and apologize

00:51:49.060 and tell everybody straight up that all the conspiracies were conspiracies and that oh really

00:51:54.940 dude yes he did multiple interviews where he was like it's not patrick he he loved his kids he

00:52:00.920 loved his wife all this is conspiracy he literally came out and debunked every single thing that

00:52:05.840 always because he had to he had to admit that all of that was wrong he didn't have to during the

00:52:11.540 case yeah he could use it but he had to go on an apology tour afterwards and anyway what i'm

00:52:18.480 getting at is um it just it just goes to show you like and i got a lot of hate dude because i am i'm

00:52:25.200 i'm everybody's favorite conspiracy theorist and i tell everybody like it's important to ask

00:52:28.360 questions right but sometimes something is just what it is what it is and it was so interesting

00:52:36.460 to me how this was used and i do believe that that case was used to splinter this group of people

00:52:42.580 that typically are so good about asking questions especially since the charlie kirk case is still not

00:52:47.640 done right because what's going to happen now when tyler robinson is being tried and no one knows the

00:52:54.320 truth from the lies because of all these other court cases or because of all the hysteria that's

00:52:57.560 been created and the in-group out-group divide online i mean not to mention all the narratives

00:53:01.740 and then i mean even just trying to find a jury that isn't influenced by that is going to be

00:53:08.980 impossible exactly and and that's the other thing i said is i i told everybody they're like well

00:53:13.560 you're just like i mean i got accused of being paid i got a million other things but what i

00:53:19.220 said was basically like guys if there's a conspiracy theory here like if there is actually

00:53:23.960 a conspiracy with lindsey clancy i promise you it's not to like it's not going to work in in

00:53:30.480 the feminist favor like if there's a conspiracy it's to make you guys look insane and take more

00:53:35.960 of your rights away it's not to it's not to go to bat for big or to to take down big pharma like 1.00

00:53:42.700 these people are not creating a conspiracy to take down an 80 billion or whatever billion

00:53:46.960 dollar industry like that's the last thing that would happen right if anything it's to discredit

00:53:52.120 all of you and also create the amount of uh you know reasonable doubt that they need so that the

00:53:59.620 tyler robinson case is buried because i already had people that were telling me oh well i don't

00:54:03.420 want to hear you question tyler robinson if you can't question this one and it's like do you

00:54:06.840 understand what's going on here well there's that's see that's an interesting thing because

00:54:10.280 people say well you didn't question now yeah because those are two different scenarios so

00:54:15.780 yes i questioned this one because of what i saw and i didn't question this one because of what i

00:54:20.720 saw and again oh it goes it just so it goes back to there's no nuance right people can't and and

00:54:27.760 like you would think that that's something that most people could see where it's like okay lindsey

00:54:32.140 clancy private family affair murder case there's literally no reason for there to be a conspiracy

00:54:38.120 like there's not i mean the the best one you could come up with is that he killed his family

00:54:43.760 because he wanted the money and to like leave with another woman okay maybe but like what are

00:54:48.960 the actual chances that that's what really happened yeah very very slim but then you have

00:54:53.700 tyler robinson and charlie kirk and it's like bro there's every reason for there to be geo like

00:54:59.580 geopolitically politically nationally spiritually in every single way there's a reason for that to be

00:55:07.480 a conspiracy for that to be they took him out so that all even if you just consider the money that

00:55:14.000 came from it the amount of money that funneled into that organization and to certain individuals

00:55:18.340 the amount of uh the amount of things that the government is now doing that charlie kirk would

00:55:24.640 have stood against adamantly yeah every everything that we are doing right now the war in iran

00:55:30.000 the the um cover-up of the epstein files like all of these things are things that charlie would be

00:55:36.640 adamantly against and he was the most influential individual when it came to the two youngest

00:55:43.780 generations coming up right now yeah not only to the point where he could like get to them but he

00:55:50.220 was effective at getting them to change their mind about things and to understand this is what's

00:55:55.700 going on and this is what i need to get behind and that's the last thing that these politicians

00:56:01.180 and that these foreign leaders we won't name any names but i think you guys know what i'm talking

00:56:04.940 about that's the last thing that these people wanted charlie to be able to do like those two

00:56:12.100 youngest generations are the most valuable to the agenda that's happening right now yeah in

00:56:16.340 geopolitics yeah it's so interesting it is i know it's funny when you said you got uh being accused

00:56:22.180 of being paid is that people tell me every once in a while somebody people come and say oh yeah

00:56:27.080 uh you're even paid by israel i'm like like just just think about that for a second

00:56:34.800 yeah what who would be paying me exactly like where is that check that i'm supposed to be

00:56:41.540 receiving and why would they pay me a podcaster to talk about men and women like it's when when

00:56:49.940 did someone say that i can't remember i can probably help you understand why someone say

00:56:53.640 that but like remember what it was i mean again again dude it just it really does go back to

00:56:58.700 everything we're talking about with nuance where it's like it's just it has created this idea that

00:57:03.220 if if you said this then it you must this must be the outcome so if you if you say this you must be

00:57:08.740 getting paid and i've even i've even accused like top politicians and top influencers and what i 0.79

00:57:16.160 call the mega propagandists at this point you know you got the freaking benny johnsons the john the

00:57:20.500 sobiacs all these guys that are yeah they literally are just what they are is loyalists 0.82

00:57:25.280 right yeah and i could see somebody in that situation i mean we know that happens right

00:57:29.980 100 we know that yes there's there's even in the government that they are paying

00:57:34.740 media teams influencers but it's not always in the form of money and that's what

00:57:40.460 people don't seem to get like payment doesn't just come in the form of money i'll be honest

00:57:46.160 with you a lot of these propagandists these influencers that they're using to just spew

00:57:50.900 party lines and and like you know say that trump can do no wrong and be completely in line with

00:57:57.260 the war in iran and israel and everything else i genuinely believe some of these people are just 1.00

00:58:01.420 too stupid to get paid well they're they just want the handshakes useful idiots yeah dude they want 1.00

00:58:07.000 the credentials they want the fame most of these influencers are so full of themselves that they 1.00

00:58:11.860 will do that they will sell their souls just for the fame just for the following just for the

00:58:16.720 audience just for the ability to stand on a stage and get claps i genuinely believe that and so

00:58:21.760 i think that the amount of people that are actually paid assets is way smaller than people

00:58:27.880 think it is i remember when they i can't remember when when this was exactly but a group of

00:58:34.760 influencers was invited to the white house to receive some brand new information about the

00:58:42.520 binders dude yes and these people came out and they're like holding them up i'm like those that

00:58:48.040 literally says nothing in there i guarantee there's no new information that's who i'm talking

00:58:52.680 about those are those are the influencers that i'm talking about and and i think some of them

00:58:57.340 are getting paid i definitely think some of them are but the majority of those influencers are 0.98

00:59:01.920 literally just useful idiots that are being their egos are being used against them because these 0.98

00:59:06.440 people know that all they care about is the fame the party connection the party invites i what i 0.99

00:59:13.820 what i've basically said is that with with a lot of these influencers that seem to just be kind of

00:59:18.900 like propagandist horns at this point i think we're watching the modern day evolution of the

00:59:23.720 politicians that we hate like all of these politicians currently are freaking dinosaurs

00:59:28.780 right who replaces them when they go out i think those are the ones that are like those are the

00:59:32.940 people that are going to replace these politicians those are the people that will take any amount of

00:59:37.360 money to say and to to raise their hand for any policy regardless of who it hurts as long as they

00:59:43.780 are the ones that benefit from it right as long as they make the money as long as they get home

00:59:48.800 safe to their family as long as they are taken care of they don't actually care about the american

00:59:52.760 people and this system is designed at this point to bring in people who genuinely i believe don't

01:00:00.260 care about the american people they just yeah they just care about themselves and that's why

01:00:06.920 that's why they're able to to do what they do that's why anybody who does actually care about

01:00:11.580 the american people eventually gets outed eventually gets you know i think it's all

01:00:15.640 kind of connected to because i was thinking about this the other day um i probably don't lean so

01:00:20.560 heavily on the conspiracy side as you do but i still believe there's a lot of connection here

01:00:25.580 i've i've thought this with um with uh dwindling birth rates and and how and how bad it is but you

01:00:34.640 know what i the thought that i had about it is that and i don't know if this is true but at least

01:00:40.380 like anecdotally it seems true that people who don't have kids are probably less worried about

01:00:47.900 the future once they're dead and gone so if i i have kids i have four kids i'm worried about the

01:00:54.780 future because i want my children to grow up in a world where they have opportunity as long as

01:00:59.620 they pursue it and they have fulfillment and abundance i'm not saying everybody who doesn't

01:01:06.200 have kids is evil by any means but i'm saying they're less inclined to worry about what the

01:01:11.100 future holds because there's nothing beyond them yeah i think that that's a very like i don't think

01:01:17.060 that that's a crazy take at all i mean the re i've said this many many times the reason that i

01:01:22.940 actually started to get loud when i did because i i don't know how much you know about my story i

01:01:27.220 won't tell the whole thing but dude i i took the chance of burning everything that i built for 10

01:01:32.340 plus years like i it wasn't just in 2020 i started doing social media like i'd been doing social

01:01:37.200 media for freaking 12 years prior right i built marketing systems like i i was trying to build a

01:01:42.960 personal brand and i had a decent following not crazy but decent and um i had a lot of connections

01:01:49.520 i had a lot of networks i was you know well liked in my industry and when i got loud i genuinely

01:01:54.700 knew that i could be burning all of that to the ground just simply because of the fact that i

01:01:59.460 could not stay silent but the biggest driver of that was the fact that i had my boy if i hadn't

01:02:05.060 had miles i don't know that i would have been as likely to do what i did like i i think it would

01:02:12.340 have been more likely that i probably would have stayed silent and just been like keep your head

01:02:17.240 down whatever just keep yep just keep just keep doing what i'm doing and but when i had my boy

01:02:23.260 it changed everything because it was like i know that i have i know that i should say something

01:02:28.000 right now if i don't what am i going to tell him 10 years from now right when when it all comes

01:02:33.560 down and when he's older and he finds out what all happened during those years he finds out that his

01:02:38.420 dad just stayed silent like everybody else how do i how do i teach him or how do i inspire him or

01:02:45.000 tell him that he needs to be a man of action and needs to stand up and actually like speak truth

01:02:50.160 if i myself didn't do it that was the number one thing that went through my head when i decided to

01:02:55.040 turn my phone around and actually start talking about stuff yeah and i knew what was going to

01:02:59.480 happen like i knew that i was probably going to lose my job which i did i knew that i was going

01:03:03.480 to have to be on my own and figure it out which i did but like it didn't matter because the thought

01:03:09.940 of failing my son was far outweighed the thought of losing that stuff and because i in my mind i

01:03:19.340 was kind of like i'm gonna lose it anyway yeah like i either say something and i lose it or

01:03:25.320 i don't say anything and i definitely lose it right like yeah so anyway i think that that's

01:03:33.220 a very that's a good take i mean that's the truth people that have kids it changes everything for

01:03:38.460 you right i mean it has for me and i have friends you know who don't have children again i don't

01:03:42.480 think less of them i don't think that uh they're evil people by default no i just think we we

01:03:49.160 operate as human beings on incentives and and disincentives yeah and if you have an incentive

01:03:54.860 to create a better environment for the future then you're going to work on doing that well and i think

01:04:00.780 if you're also a man that is concerned with legacy you know i mean i like that's something

01:04:08.220 extremely important to me is my legacy like i want i know that most people the truth is once

01:04:14.740 you pass you know i forget what the statistic is but it's like however long and people just kind

01:04:18.800 of forget about you right yeah but like i like to think that when i pass i'm gonna leave some

01:04:24.580 kind of legacy like my kids are gonna have something to hold on to and they're gonna be

01:04:29.220 able to carry it on and it's going to be something that continues and continues and continues to

01:04:32.380 create positive impact in the world right if you care about that then you're naturally going to

01:04:38.160 act different than someone who doesn't right like it's just it is what it is you know what i mean

01:04:42.380 it's interesting when you talk about legacy because i i think about that often too as

01:04:46.760 as as a father primarily um trying to create a legacy for the kids through experiences

01:04:52.400 you know when we were talking about hunting earlier just the fact that we could go out

01:04:56.020 I mean, we have animal heads here and upstairs and every single one of them has a story with me and one of my kids or me and friends that they'll be able to, like you said, hold on to that stuff forever.

01:05:08.520 I think this kind of ties into what we had started our conversation with is get off the phone, get off the computer, go be around other men, go create experiences, take your kids when you go places, like do cool stuff and stop operating so much in the digital realm.

01:05:26.200 I mean I'm down here in my basement you know this is the podcast studio and it's just me it's like

01:05:32.420 it gets lonely sometimes like I need to get out of here like I feel like a prisoner and even if

01:05:37.700 it's just going to the gym yeah and I know people are probably like oh god this guy again because I

01:05:42.140 just like I talk when I'm at the gym yeah I like lift but also it's nice like I don't even wear

01:05:47.180 earbuds because this is my social hour I need to be around human beings for a minute yeah yeah but

01:05:52.140 yeah i think we could create more experiences as men we just have to do that yeah i agree i also

01:05:56.560 think you know because i do think that there is um an importance in understanding the importance

01:06:05.780 of like technology it's important to understand the importance of technology like and we've talked

01:06:11.380 about this before right like i obviously social media has changed my life yeah i mean it just is

01:06:17.300 what it is being able to uh Andy Frisilla said it the other day actually he said something to the

01:06:22.440 to the effect of my creating my personal brand has opened doors for me that never would have opened

01:06:29.120 had I not created it of course dude I can't even I can't even begin to tell you how much I agree

01:06:34.560 with that the amount of people that I've met the network that I've created the opportunity that

01:06:39.240 I've created the doors that I've opened simply because I basically turned my life into the

01:06:44.280 Truman show on social media and I wasn't afraid of doing it and I did it in a way where I feel

01:06:50.360 like I was the most genuine the most authentic that I could while also doing my absolute best

01:06:55.320 to like really try to do something with that right like serve and not just take from everybody

01:07:00.580 yeah that has created a life that I couldn't have created otherwise and so I will tell people

01:07:06.640 all day long if you are not creating a personal brand you're you're missing out on a massive

01:07:12.840 opportunity because i'm not special like you can do it every single person if they really want to

01:07:19.460 can actually create a personal brand because the world is starving for people to just be

01:07:25.900 people to just be a person to to feel like you can relate to them and to you know to enjoy um

01:07:33.400 following them and learning from them and listening to them and like they're starving for someone to

01:07:37.880 stand up and be a leader and uh social media has created the opportunity for anyone and i mean

01:07:44.040 anyone to do that and by so doing to create opportunity for yourself and the people around

01:07:50.460 you that you i believe you couldn't otherwise do and then along with that you also just have to be

01:07:58.080 able to separate the chaos like i always tell people it's important to be aware but don't be

01:08:05.360 consumed like be aware of what's going on like i'm absolutely aware i think people know that like

01:08:10.020 what's going on in this head is pretty crazy but like i also have a lot of people that are like

01:08:14.560 how do you deal with that like how do you how do you go through every day and like it's crazy

01:08:19.460 because we'll get off this podcast and you and i are going to go hang out we're probably not going

01:08:22.580 to talk about this stuff at all yeah like and it probably won't even cross my mind so people are

01:08:27.820 like how do you do that because i understand that even though the world is so chaotic and so dark

01:08:34.940 there's still so much good and also i understand what i can control and what i can't and so what

01:08:42.400 is the point of allowing the things that i can't control to absolutely consume myself

01:08:46.040 right like so i'm able to separate those and i just understand the importance be aware of what's

01:08:51.720 going on use the technology to improve your life improve the people around you but also do not let

01:08:58.660 it completely consume you. I like the phrase, um, in the world, but not of it. Yeah. Right. Like

01:09:05.060 you're in it, you're operating in it. This is your environment, but you don't need to be like

01:09:09.600 the world. You don't need to be of the world. And especially if it's as evil as we've been talking

01:09:14.200 about something we not want to be part of. No, no. And, and, and I think we need to continue to

01:09:20.340 push as many people as we can away from being a part of it. Like, you know, that's, that's the

01:09:25.280 whole when you talk about isolation and this will kind of tie it together it's like men are not only

01:09:30.360 isolated they're also they've they've been isolated but then they've also been thrown into

01:09:35.340 this mix of like you have to be part of this world like you you you have to see it you have to

01:09:41.400 experience it and they're not able to get outside of that because the way to do that is to surround

01:09:47.880 yourself by other people who are actively trying to get outside of the world right and yeah i mean

01:09:53.460 that's that's what it's all about man well brother i appreciate you man i'm glad we could do this in

01:09:57.720 person yeah this is awesome yeah i'm sure you're like this is great i need to come do this i'm

01:10:01.700 like you're in man yeah well yeah dude i was like i i definitely have to see the studio this yeah

01:10:05.600 next time you come down i'm maybe a little different we'll have the thank you again man

01:10:08.680 this is this is awesome put it to good use yeah i will for sure anyways brother appreciate you man

01:10:13.620 yeah go have some fun we'll shoot some bows we'll get some food awesome good afternoon sounds good

01:10:17.360 brother appreciate you thanks all right guys there you go my conversation with the one and only ian

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Order of Man - October 14, 2026

IAN WENDT ｜ Brotherhood Isn't a Luxury

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