NICKY BILLOU & WAYNE ALLYN ROOT ｜ The Case for Parallel Economies
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Nikki Blue and Wayne Allen Root are the authors of the Great Patriot Protest and Boycott book and their latest book, The Great Patriot Boycott. They make the case that until consumers have alternatives to companies that don t align with their values, nothing will change.
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With the proliferation of political and cultural ideologies increasingly permeating many of our
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favorite companies and brands, it's becoming really difficult to justify spending our hard-earned
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dollars on companies that do not align with our values and actively work against them.
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But you know, as well as I do, boycotting only goes so far. And as soon as the excitement and
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fervor against these companies wears off, most people go back to spending their money on Budweiser,
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Disney and Gillette and Netflix to name a few. My guests today, Nikki Blue and Wayne Allen Root make
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the case that not only should people boycott these organizations, but create alternatives to
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compete with these companies and hit them where it hurts, their wallet. Today, we talk about racism
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and the flawed idea of reverse racism, something they call the freedom scale for evaluating
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organizations that align with conservative values, the line between liberalism and leftism, and also
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your
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own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily
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deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you
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will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
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Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler. I'm the host and the founder of the
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Order of Men podcast and movement. Welcome here today. If you're just joining us and welcome back
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with us if you've been with us for any amount of time. Glad you're here. It's my goal to interview
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interesting men, successful men, men with interesting ideas, fascinating perspectives,
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so we can extract their wisdom and their knowledge and their information and learn from their lessons
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and take that information and apply it into our own lives. Of course, we've got great guests. We've
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got guys like Tim Tebow and Tim Kennedy and Jocko Willink and Andy Frisilla and Ben Shapiro and Matthew
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McConaughey and Terry Crews. If you're just joining us, go back through the archives and listen to some
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of these conversations. Just pick out the ones that stick out to you and pick and choose what's going
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to fit, what's going to apply in your life. And hopefully you'll, you'll become a better man
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because you are applying some of these lessons that the guys that come on this podcast are teaching us.
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So guys, I've got a very interesting one. And that's, I'm using that word intentionally
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interesting. I know that this is going to be probably a polarizing subject, but we need to
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have these conversations. We need to start exploring different ideas and alternative ways of looking at
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things. And I think this one's really going to charge a lot of people up for, for both positive
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and maybe some negative as well. But again, it's our goal to interview and have conversations with
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interesting people and then make our decisions from there. So before we get into that, I just want
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to let you know, I really appreciate all the support over the past several months and appreciate you
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tuning in. Appreciate you playing, appreciate you holding me accountable. And this, this movement and
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the conversations I'm having, it's just as much for me as it, as it is anybody else, probably more so.
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So I just want to thank you for standing with us and being part of this movement and organization,
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you know, as well as I do, how, how needed it is in society. So guys, let me introduce you to my
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guest today. I have two guests. I think this might be the first time I actually interviewed two people
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at the same time. One's name is Nikki Blue and the other is Wayne Allen Root. They are the authors of
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the great Patriot protest and boycott book and their latest book, the great Patriot boycott book.
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And they make the case that boycotting only goes so far, but until consumers have alternatives
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to these brands that don't align with their values, nothing is going to change. As I said,
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it's Nikki Blue and Wayne Allen Root. Nikki is an immigrant from Iran to Canada and has actually
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seen firsthand some of the dangerous ideology presented from leftists, how that leads to danger,
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destruction, and even death. Wayne has been a popular conservative political pundit for decades,
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warning of the dangers of communist and socialist agendas. They've joined in their latest book to
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make the case again for parallel economies and intentional consumer actions to shift rhetoric
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and political and cultural ideologies away from companies that many Americans do not align with.
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Enjoy this one guys. Nikki, my friend, it's good to see you. And it's good to see that you have
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a good choice in style as well. You're wearing the exact same shirt that I am and I appreciate the
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support today. Yeah, you bet, brother. The Order of Man is an incredible organization. What you've
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been doing for men is so needed more today than when you and I first met, brother. You know what I'm
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talking about? Men are more lost than ever and they need people who are going to celebrate manhood
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masculinity more than ever. So kudos to you and kudos to the Order of Man. Yeah, I never would have
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thought that it would get worse than it was. I think I got out ahead of it, not by some great
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design. I think I just kind of stumbled into getting out ahead of it because I was working on things for
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myself. In fact, I still am. And I'm fortunate that it happened that way because you're right.
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The conversations that we're having, not only are they good for me and individuals, but man,
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society as a whole is going down the wrong path. It's really disheartening to see, but guys like
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you and I try to be and other people that are in our circle are really starting to stand up and
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championing truth and masculinity and exactly what this country needs. Amen, brother. And I wish it was
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just confined to the United States, but it's needed in my, where I am in Canada, it's needed
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all over the world, all over the Western world. We are in for a world of hurt if we don't turn this
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around. And Nicky, I can't remember. Tell me where you and your family are from originally.
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We're from Iran. We're Christian, ethnic Christians from Iran. I don't know if you follow
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Valuetainment channel with Patrick Beck David at all. I know of him, but I don't follow, but I know of
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him. He's like me. He's an Iranian, Christian, Assyrian ethnic. And I'm kind of proud to see him
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doing what he's doing, right? Because he goes out there and he speaks the truth. And it's important,
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in my opinion, that powerful men and women of goodwill stand up right now against all the attacks that
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are being made on men, boys, and masculinity. I was talking to a young man day before yesterday,
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22 years old here in Canada, good fellow, graduated from sports management. And he has a degree in a
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postgraduate kind of designation. He's trying to get an entry-level job with a sports organization.
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He goes deep into the interview process. And at the end, they say, hey, you're not a visible minority,
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so we can't hire you. I mean, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? This is ridiculous. Now,
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we shouldn't be discriminating against visible minorities. Absolutely not. But
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should we discriminate against people who are not visible minorities? That's ridiculous.
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Martin Luther King's dream was for us to live in a country where every man is judged not by the color
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of his skin, but by the content of his character. He must be rolling in his grave right now.
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Well, it's, you know, the term that we hear a lot, and I actually don't like this term,
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is that's reverse racism. It's actually not reverse racism. It's just racism.
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That's it. I don't, I cannot, for the life of me, fathom. Well, I do. I do. I was going to say,
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I can't fathom why we've, why we've done this, but I do know why it is. The polarity that's created
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generates eyeballs, which in turn generates revenue, which in turn generates power.
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And it seems like too many of us have bought into this narrative and not only bought into it. Now,
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a lot of people are acting on it, living by it. And it seems that racism is, I don't know,
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maybe it's just the media or, or, or just what we're exposed to and not real life. Cause I certainly
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don't see it in, in my everyday life. Maybe I'm in a bubble, but it seems to be exacerbated through
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the media, but it seems like it's worse than it's ever been possibly. No, not ever. Of course,
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not ever, but getting progressively worse. I should say that you're bang on with the last part of what
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you said. Racism has been pretty bad throughout history, but lately when I came to, to North America,
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it was 1982. There was racism here. I experienced some racism for being, you know, an olive skin,
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Middle Eastern man. No question about it. Okay. And I experienced some racism when I went through
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my divorce, the courts treated me differently. Cause I was a Middle Eastern man. There's no
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question about it here. It was disgusting. But how do you know that Nikki? How do you know,
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how do you know it wasn't just because you're a man? Well, it was definitely cause I was a man.
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There's no question about it. I know. I know that. I know that for sure. Stacked. Sure.
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All it is. But the fact I, I, I, I got to read the transcripts. Okay. Because
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they, they, there was transcripts of, I got to read them and in the transcripts, what got the,
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the authorities involved in the whole thing was he's from the Middle East. You know, he might decide
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to just take the kids and run away to Iran. Right. That was the lawyers just were amazing at doing
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whatever they had to do to trigger involvement by the authorities and, and stop me from even being
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able to see my kids or my ex or speak to them. That led to our divorce happening. There's no question
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that if I were not a Middle Eastern man, that line of attack would not have been used. And they,
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they use that. I hate to say it, but at least 15 years ago, they use that. If you were, you know,
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from the Middle East, if you were a hot blooded Latin, or if you were, you know, from Jamaica,
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they would say stuff about your ethnicity and the court system and the authorities who claim to be
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so virtue signaling would go, Oh, okay. Let's jump all over these guys. It's disgusting. And it's
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ridiculous. Yeah. It's, it, it really is a challenge. I I'm, I'm trying to see things from
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all angles. And, you know, we talked about having you on with, with regards to your latest book,
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the great Patriot, uh, bycott book. And I'll be really honest as I was reading through it. I'm,
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I thought to myself, what, what would, what would somebody think of this that didn't know anything
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about it? Or what would somebody from the other side, one quote other side, think about it. And
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if you look at just the table of contents, you know, you could very easily make the case that
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it's just, it's, it's, it's like a right wing conspiracy theorist playbook and look, I'm reading
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through it. I, I, I actually agree with a lot of points made, but I'm trying to see it from all the
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angles. And I want to explore, is this real? Is this not, is this true? Are we painting ourselves
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as victims both on the left and the right? Of course I have my own personal beliefs and my own
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biases. I am trying to look at things as objectively as possible. Yeah, of course you are. And, and so
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am I, and you, you got to get Ryan. Um, I'm a businessman. Um, I would rather much rather not
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have to deal with any of this political crap. I'd rather just go out there and run my business. You
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know what I mean? And take care of my family. But the truth of the matter is I come from Iran
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and my family left Iran because the Islamic revolution took place in Iran back in 78, 79.
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Uh, and by 1980, my father got us out of Iran. Okay. The reason he got us out of Iran was because
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the moderate and mild dictatorship of the Shah was replaced by the absolute tyranny of the Mullahs.
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And they would attack us based on who we were, our identity being Christian and, uh, ethnic Assyrian.
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They would attack us for that. And they also would say that anybody who disagreed with them
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was evil, a racist, uh, uh, a xenophobe, all that sort of stuff. And I come here going,
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oh my God, we're living in freedom right now. We're good to go. This is all amazing. Glad to be
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here. And for many decades, we lived life in a free society. Grateful to be here. And then all of a
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sudden I'm hearing some phrases being used by the left that are reminiscent of what the Mullahs used
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back in Iran. And I'm a student of history. You know, I studied, um, international politics and
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university. I have a master's degree from Georgetown university at the school of foreign service. I studied
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cold war politics and all that good stuff. And here's what happened, my friend. Those phrases
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were eerily reminiscent of those of the tyrants. Okay. Those of the tyrants, the tyrants would say
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things like, Oh, this group of people are wrong. They're bad. They're evil because they believe this.
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You can't normalize them. It's okay to shoot them. It's okay to, to read them out of polite society.
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Just last week, um, uh, uh, a trans individual walked into a Christian school, elementary school
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and shot three nine-year-old kids and three adults looking after them. Why? For what reason?
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Because this individual thought that them being Christian meant that they were beyond the pale.
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They had forfeited the right to live. Are you kidding me? And the mainstream media didn't report
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this, didn't mention that this person had an ideology that was twisted up by hate. And they
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just tried to say, Oh, this is such a tragedy. Let's pass gun control laws. I saw this happening
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here. And I thought I can no longer not be involved in the political cultural issues of the day.
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I need to stand up. I need to speak out. That's why I've gotten involved in men's work because like
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you, I believe men right now are receiving a bit of a raw deal by society. And that's why, um, I decided
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to write this book and the previous book with my friend, Wayne Allen root. It looks like Wayne
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Sierra. Hello Wayne. We could stand up for freedom. We could stand up for free expression and we could
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help change America and therefore change the world. Ryan, you know, America is the one indispensable
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nation in the world. Okay. If when I was in Iran, my family had somewhere to flee to. If we lose
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freedom in America, there's nowhere for us to go. Freedom will end on earth. And Abraham Lincoln said
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that he fought the civil war because he wanted to make sure that government of the people by the people
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for the people shall not perish from this earth. Wayne and I do what we do. We wrote these books together
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because we want to make sure that government of the people by the people for the people shall not perish
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from this earth. Wayne, I want to ask you, I know you're jumping in a little bit late, but I want to ask you
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is as you guys wrote this book, do you feel at all like, like it's futile, uh, in a, in a way, almost
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preaching to the choir. I mean, I'm a conservative. Most people that listen to this podcast know that about
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myself, uh, and, and know a little bit about my, my value systems. And, you know, at times, uh, it feels
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like I'm preaching to the choir and there's no real opportunity to even express ideas intelligently.
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And I'm not even willing to say that they're like accurate all the time, but just intelligently
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discuss my ideas with people who just aren't interested in hearing them. It seems like everybody
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already has their, their preconceived notions and the mold they're supposed to fit in. And that's it
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for both left and right. Um, you, you asked me about what's going on in America and say,
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are we preaching to a choir? And my answer is unabashedly. Yes, because liberals are insane.
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I'm not exaggerating. I'm telling you it's a mental illness. They want the poison vaccine.
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They want the masks. They love lockdowns. They love everything that it led to suicide, drug addiction,
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depression, alcoholism, children, uh, behind by years in school, uh, with fear and, and never
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going to make it up. Everything that comes from liberalism, uh, crime in all the cities, open
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borders, millions invading the United States border. Liberals seem to love it all. And they go, give me
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more. I'll vote for Biden again. He's brain dead. He has no brains. He has dementia. Give them to me.
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I want more. This is an insane group of people. So I gave up a long time ago. Anyone who considers
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himself liberal, I don't even want to talk to them because it's impossible to reason with insanity.
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They are nuts. They, they think trans, look what Biden said the other day, the heart and soul of
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America is transgenderism. What? It's the stupidest thing any human being has ever said. Look what Chicago
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did last night. Chicago had a mayor that looks like Beetlejuice. Okay. She is the most unattractive
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human being the world's ever created. They voted for her. She's a communist. She ruined the town.
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Nobody wants to shop on Michigan Avenue. The stores are out of business. The vacancy rates 50%.
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Uh, if you're in business, hordes of marauders attack your store and steal everything you've got,
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and you're not allowed to fight back or you get arrested for assault or murder. Nobody wants to go to
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Chicago anymore. What'd they do last night? They elected a man who's the exact mirror image of
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Beetlejuice, Lori Lightfoot. He may be even more radical communist than she is. So I, I texted my
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friend who's a liberal Democrat in the Rahm Emanuel kind of mode. So he's not insane. He just believes
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different things than me. And I can accept that, but he's not nuts. He doesn't want to ruin his city.
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And I texted him and said, is it as bad as I'm reading on conservative websites that the man
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you elected last night is a communist who hates the police, wants to defund the police and hates
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white men. And I thought he'd answer back, Wayne, that's just conservatives talking. You know what
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my liberal friend answered? Chicago's finished. Say goodbye to Chicago. We have no chance.
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That's a liberal Democrat, but one with reason who isn't insane. You could be a Democrat and not
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want to destroy your city or, or your own wife gets mugged and raped. You don't want that. The
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Democrats of today do want that. They are literally insane with radicalism. They want communism,
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which killed what? A hundred million people in the 20th century. They're all for it. Censorship,
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banning, book burning, go after presidents, go send FBI SWAT teams at five in the morning to drag
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good people out of their homes for being near a peaceful protest. This is the Democrat party of
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today. It's a communist takeover of the United States and Canada. So we wrote the book.
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So let me ask you, let me ask you this. So you, it sounds like at first you said liberalism is insane,
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or, or those who are liberal are insane, but you're also saying that there's a distinction
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between, uh, what I would say is a liberal and a leftist. Where, where do you, where do you draw
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that line? Cause it sounds like on one hand, you're saying liberalism is a mental disorder,
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but on the other, you're saying that there are liberals and Democrats who aren't insane. So we're
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like, where's the line? Well, I, you know, I, it's a very fine line. My buddy is a liberal
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or he calls himself a liberal, but he's also a businessman. So he's pro capitalism and he wants
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to make money. And he certainly doesn't want crime outside his restaurants. And he owns five
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of them in Chicago. So he's not insane. He wants a town that leans to the left, but which still has
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law and order and doesn't want communist level tax increases and regulations. So I'd say he's
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different than me. We're on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but I respect him. And I don't
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think he's insane. And he attended my wedding. We're good friends. I can live with that guy.
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Even though we disagree, there's no reason to kill each other. I'm not for a war, but the people
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who call themselves Democrats today in the leadership, they want banning and censorship.
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They want to silence me. They'd like to knock my shows off the air. They'd like to put us in prison
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like they're doing with Trump. It's the most trumped up, excuse the pun, trumped up charges
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in the history of the world. Never has there been a more ridiculous case than this one. As a matter of
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fact, the two biggest Trump haters in the Republican party are Mitt Romney and John Bolton,
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the former national security advisor. And the two of them both said, I hate Trump, but this case is
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horrible. And it signals that we're becoming a banana republic. You can't just arrest someone
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because you disagree with them and want to eliminate them as a candidate. We're a banana
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republic at this point. So it's very scary what's happening to the United States. So our book helps
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us kind of what I call a national divorce. You know, you can either choose to have a divorce and
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be rid of each other, or you can live in the same house and mommy and daddy live in different bedrooms,
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but they stay together for the good of the children. Our book says, I don't know if we're
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going to ever divorce. I don't even know how hard the legal ramifications and complications are
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of a divorce. But with our book, you can live in the same house and stay in separate wings.
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And for the good of the kids of America, stay together. Just build a conservative parallel
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economy, almost like building a separate country, but you stay in the United States. You only buy
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from Christians. You only buy from conservatives. You only buy from patriots. You only do business
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with people on the right and you defund the left and you make our side wealthy and prosperous and
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happy. You create lots of jobs in red states, blue states will all go bankrupt. And eventually who knows
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where to lead, but I'm telling you, New York and California are going to be bankrupt shells of
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their former selves as every conservative leaves for places like Texas and Florida to get away from
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the crazies of the left. So I think we're kind of pushing for a friendly national divorce, a separation
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and a way to reward the good guys and defund and punish the bad guys so that we can get our country
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back on track again. Or in a worst case scenario, maybe we've built another economy. We don't need the
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other half anymore. We'll see where it leads 10 years from now. But I know one thing, it's a start.
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I think part of the problem with that, and I like that idea actually, because there's a lot of people
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that talk about this national divorce in a more literal sense, some sort of civil war possibly.
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Tell me how that works. Tell me how, I'm in Utah right now, so tell me how
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the conservatives, like which, where do conservatives go? Do they stay or do the liberals stay? And if the
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liberals leave, where do they go? If the conservatives, like it's so blended, it's not
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north and south, like maybe it once was. So I like this idea, but I think one of the challenges
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is that when you're talking about some of these blue type states and areas, they're going to
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continue to be funded by federal funding and taxpayer dollars that come from conservatives.
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Yeah. I was going to say, it's a little worse than that, than what you said. It's not just that
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there are conservatives left behind enemy lines, as it were. You know, in each blue state,
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there's lots of conservatives. I would guess California has more good conservatives than
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most other states combined, even though they're outnumbered badly and they can never win another
00:23:53.440
major election. There's millions of good conservatives in California, and there's more
00:23:58.400
red counties than blue. But you'll notice there's a movement to break up California.
00:24:03.500
They want to create new California. And it's basically every county in California, except
00:24:09.440
LA, San Francisco, and San Diego. They're all red, except for three blue places. And the people are
00:24:16.920
so, the population is so huge in those places, it outnumbers all those other red counties.
00:24:22.380
Same thing is true in Nevada. Las Vegas, where I live, is blue. The entire rest of the Nevada is
00:24:27.720
red. Same thing's true in Oregon. Portland's blue. The whole rest of the state's red. Same thing's
00:24:33.000
true in Seattle. Seattle's blue. The entire rest of the state is red. Half of Washington wants to leave
00:24:38.600
and go to Montana. Half of Oregon wants to leave and become part of Idaho. There is a breakup happening
00:24:45.340
in our country. There is a national divorce happening. I just don't know where it's going to lead,
00:24:50.580
and I don't want a civil war. I'm trying to keep the peace. But I think one way to achieve it is
00:24:56.100
certainly in our new book, Great Patriot Bicot book, just live in a conservative economy and do not
00:25:01.780
feed the beast on the other side. You're 100% right. Government will keep giving money to a
00:25:07.120
failing California, but it's never going to be enough. As more and more patriots leave those states,
00:25:12.860
they're going to be in a lot of trouble. New York already, I have friends who live there.
00:25:16.520
I have friends who live in Los Angeles, in San Francisco. Look what happened to that high-tech
00:25:20.680
guru last night. I don't know if you saw the news. I'm sure he's worth at least a half billion dollars.
00:25:29.820
Stabbed to death. He's dead. Two in the morning outside his luxury building in San Francisco.
00:25:34.820
Gone. And he must be worth a half billion dollars. 38, 39, 40 years old. He had the world
00:25:39.540
by the cojones. You talk about strong men. All of us could spend our whole lives,
00:25:44.500
it will never, ever, no matter how many lives we live, be worth a billion dollars at the age of 39.
00:25:49.720
He had the world by the tail and he's dead because he lived in a blue city that doesn't
00:25:55.740
believe in the police, that defunds the police. And there's no one there when you're in trouble
00:26:00.520
and a guy comes at you with a knife and there's homeless everywhere and drugs everywhere.
00:26:04.900
Liberal Democrat cities are rotting. They look like Hiroshima after the bomb dropped.
00:26:10.160
Now go to a red city or a red state. Looks fantastic. Go to any suburb where everyone's
00:26:15.620
Republican. It looks wonderful. There's no crime. Everyone's got guns in their house. Nobody ever
00:26:20.360
robs them. I live in a beautiful suburb of Las Vegas. It's as nice as anywhere you can live in
00:26:25.200
America. Now drive two miles to a bad neighborhood where everyone votes Democrat in the same city,
00:26:30.680
Las Vegas. You'd be putting your life in your hands walking at night in that neighborhood.
00:26:34.200
In my neighborhood, you're totally safe. So red Republican works and blue Democrat doesn't work.
00:26:40.900
It's a nightmare wherever it's been tried. Every country, every state, every county and every city
00:26:46.680
under Democrat rule becomes Mad Max every man for himself. It's happening every day in this country.
00:26:53.260
So all I'm trying to do is feed the conservative beast, not the liberal beast.
00:26:57.220
Can I interject for a sec? Yeah. So like Wayne and I see eye to eye on the law. And I think it's
00:27:06.140
important to draw a powerful distinction between people that are completely crazy and nuts, the ones
00:27:13.860
that I call the evil left, and those that are somewhat sane, like Wayne's friend, who lean left on
00:27:20.400
some issues, but they want police. They want to see capitalist economies survive. They don't want their
00:27:25.080
kids sexualized. I think those are the ones that I call the persuadables. Now, how do we persuade them?
00:27:31.640
I don't know how we persuade them, except by doing what Wayne is suggesting. First of all,
00:27:37.780
we wrote, before we wrote the Great Patriot Boycott book, this book, we wrote the Great Patriot Boycott
00:27:43.900
book. This was originally a list of 116 woke corporations, basically, that were doing things
00:27:50.920
that were antithetical to good order and to living good lives for their customer base, right?
00:27:57.260
There's plenty of parents who lean left, but aren't happy that Disney is promoting, you know, drag
00:28:03.620
shows for little kids as young as six years old, right? Those people are persuadable, right? And back in
00:28:10.980
the 60s and 70s, you know what they used to call conservatives? Liberals that have been mugged,
00:28:17.920
mugged by reality, mugged by somebody out there, you know, in the mean streets in New York. And I think
00:28:24.880
that the way that Joe Biden and many Democrats, not all Democrats, but many Democrats, including those
00:28:31.240
in Chicago, are acting, and the impact this is having on those kind of like traditional, soft,
00:28:38.820
low-information Democrats, many of those are being forced to move Republican. Look at Elon Musk.
00:28:45.820
10 years ago, Elon Musk was a Democrat, hardcore Democrat, gave money to Democrats, you know,
00:28:52.620
supported Democrats, voted for Democrats. Today, Elon Musk is basically a red state Republican.
00:28:59.380
Bill Maher, Bill Maher of HBO. I mean, that dude has got to be one of Obama's biggest supporters from
00:29:05.120
back in 2008 and 2012. He gave Obama a million freaking dollars. Right now, I'd be shocked if Bill
00:29:12.020
Maher voted for Joe Biden in the next election. And I think they're a microcosm of millions and
00:29:17.740
millions and millions of Americans are going to do that. But what Wayne said, which is true,
00:29:22.200
is you can start to do the hard work of persuading people. You can start to try to win elections. And
00:29:28.060
if we can secure our elections in America, that would really help go a long way toward us doing that.
00:29:32.820
But it can take time to have those things bear fruit. But you can immediately, today, decide not to spend
00:29:40.720
money on Disney, not to go to Disney World, not to cancel your Disney Plus subscription, to stop
00:29:46.980
buying Victoria's Secret products. And you could decide today to start spending your money with
00:29:53.440
companies like Order of Man, with companies like Emerson Knives, like Hobby Lobby, like the Trump
00:29:59.820
store. Chick-fil-A. In-N-Out Burger. Those actions will have an immediate impact, Ryan. And those
00:30:07.980
actions will send a message. One of the reasons we wrote this boycott book is because we believe
00:30:14.020
there's $4.5 trillion of consumer spending in America. If all we do is we shift 10% of that,
00:30:21.520
that's $450 billion from the woke corporations to patriotic companies, we will literally change
00:30:28.420
America. We'll be funding the cause of freedom and we'll be defunding the cause of tyranny.
00:30:35.060
And let me just jump in. Very short point I want to make. Today in North Carolina, a woman who is a
00:30:40.640
Democrat for her whole life, and it was the head of the state Senate, switched sides to Republican.
00:30:47.260
And her quote was, the Democrat Party that I knew is unrecognizable. And she said, the moment the
00:30:53.280
epiphany hit her is when she put something on her website about God and say a prayer, and then she
00:31:00.840
put an American flag, and she was viciously attacked that the American flag represents racism, and that
00:31:07.980
they think it's disgusting that she actually put hands in prayer. And she said, that's when I realized
00:31:14.300
I can't be a Democrat anymore. The world is changing. And I'm telling you, there's a division going on that
00:31:20.480
is almost imperceptible to the average person, but I'm seeing it. I see things before they happen.
00:31:27.000
And I'm telling you, we're headed for a massive divide in this country. It's happening every day.
00:31:32.160
You can't live with people who think the American flag is incompatible with greatness, and America
00:31:38.080
represents racism, and prayer is bad and evil. That's a real sickness. And that transgenderism is the
00:31:45.800
heart and soul of America. And it should be taught to kindergartners. If that's what they believe in, I don't
00:31:51.560
even want to talk to them anymore. I want to disengage from them. And as Nikki says, only go only talk to
00:31:58.360
people that are reasonable in the middle to maybe convert them to come over.
00:32:03.960
All right, guys, let me, let me just take a break from the conversation very quickly. I want to ask if you're
00:32:09.640
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00:32:16.780
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00:33:26.380
get back to it with Nikki and Wayne. You can check out the battle ready program after the show. Let's get
00:33:30.860
back to the conversation. The reason that I like this idea and I'm really interested in this and
00:33:38.340
obviously want to explore it more is because now we're not just talking about not buying certain
00:33:42.060
products, which has always been the conversation. Well, just stop going to Disney, stop Netflix, stop
00:33:46.740
this, stop that. And people are only going to do that to a degree. What I like what you're doing with this
00:33:52.260
direction is now you're giving people intentionality behind what they do because people still want to be
00:33:59.640
entertained. People still want to drink beer. People still want their kids to be educated.
00:34:05.700
They want these things, but there hasn't really been any type of credible sources outside of what
00:34:13.000
already exists. So how do how do more organizations become competitive with these behemoth type
00:34:21.180
organizations that are conflicting with our best interests? Well, I mean, if we could build a total
00:34:27.200
parallel conservative economy and patriot economy, we wouldn't need any of the other companies. We
00:34:32.060
wouldn't need Silicon Valley Bank if we had a conservative bank. Unfortunately, we don't. But we
00:34:37.120
do have some conservative MAGA funds in this book, but we couldn't find a truly conservative bank. It's
00:34:42.940
probably out there. We'll have another edition, I'm sure. And there's a lot of companies that are
00:34:47.000
contacting us now that the book is out and saying, why did you include us? But if we could build a
00:34:51.900
totally parallel economy where we didn't need the other group anymore, we could teach them a lesson
00:34:57.300
and pretty soon, you know what the real lesson is? I actually don't want any company to be conservative
00:35:02.140
or liberal. I actually want them to just be companies that worry about the bottom line. Politics should
00:35:07.680
not be mentioned by a company. That's my biggest problem. Why would Silicon Valley Bank, instead of
00:35:13.860
be staring at the bottom line and making sure they create shareholder value and making sure they don't go out
00:35:19.300
of business, why would they have had a person in charge of risk management whose entire life was
00:35:25.060
planning marathons for LGBTQ and fighting for transgender rights and drag shows and climate
00:35:32.580
change and critical race theory, which is really what happened. And their board of directors was
00:35:38.240
dominated by Biden appointees, the Biden administration and the Obama administration.
00:35:44.040
That's who was on their board. Everyone's life is about the rainbow flag. No, that's your
00:35:48.780
private life. But in your personal, in your business life, just worry about the bottom line
00:35:54.380
and worry about creating a profitable company. And you know how you do that? You don't turn off the
00:35:59.340
left or the right. You do things that are neutral. So everybody does business with you. But why do you
00:36:05.040
not care about people on the right? That's my big issue. Why do you not think about offending the
00:36:10.520
people on the right? That's no big deal. Why? There's no consequence to it, really. I mean,
00:36:15.360
at the end of the day, you know, I think about with Budweiser, Anheuser-Busch, great example of
00:36:21.420
this with Dylan Mulvaney. You know, they had their intelligent people. That's a behemoth
00:36:28.400
organization. You have to imagine that they weighed the pros and cons of a decision like that and
00:36:33.400
decided that the downsides don't outweigh the positive media attention or spitting up that they'll
00:36:40.380
get, which, I mean, that's the only way I can see that. I can't see them evaluating it any other way
00:36:46.680
or not evaluating it at all. I imagine they ran that risk analysis and they found that it to be
00:36:52.860
favorable to do something like that. I put out a Twitter post just yesterday. You know what I said?
00:36:57.580
A lot of people thought it was very funny. I said, it's the first time I'm 61 years old and it's the
00:37:02.500
first time in my lifetime I've seen a beer commit suicide. It really is true. Budweiser is around
00:37:10.580
for what, a hundred years? They built a multi-billion dollar positive brand and overnight they destroyed
00:37:17.740
it with one reckless action that somehow they thought was no big deal. Making your spokesman a
00:37:23.560
guy who thinks he's a girl or is it a girl who thinks he's a guy? I'm so confused with these people.
00:37:28.260
I don't even know what they are. I just call them it. Was it a guy who's now a girl or a girl who's
00:37:33.860
now a guy? If you're so confused, you don't know if you have a penis or a vagina, you shouldn't be
00:37:38.540
giving advice to anyone about anything. You shouldn't be running the nuclear waste of the United States,
00:37:44.320
Sam Britton, who wound up being fired because he was stealing ladies' underwear from women's luggage.
00:37:50.800
You shouldn't be in charge of the healthcare of the United States. Rachel Levine is a guy wearing
00:37:56.240
dresses, high heels, and a wig who's number two in health and human services. This is the insanity
00:38:02.020
of some in the left. I'll go with Nikki. I'll bite on Nikki's comment and yours.
00:38:07.360
Some in the Democrat party, all the left are crazy. There's a distinction between Democrats,
00:38:15.640
liberal, and left because if you look at Democrats and they're liberal and they're not left,
00:38:20.020
they're not insane. If they're left, they're all insane. They're completely insane or they're
00:38:24.500
actually malevolent and evil because the plan, the playbook of the left has been to take down
00:38:31.480
America since 1917. In 1917, communism won over its first country in Russia, okay? And they realized
00:38:39.680
at the time that they wanted to take over the whole world. That was Vladimir Lenin's view,
00:38:44.500
but they couldn't do it because the main adversary, which is what they called the United States,
00:38:49.260
was standing in the way. So Lenin sent a fellow by the name of Willie Munzenberg, who was a German
00:38:55.540
communist, said, you go to the United States, use their very freedom against them and start to subvert
00:39:02.620
them from within. And they started to do that. They started to go and attack America's school system
00:39:07.900
and bring on people to slowly subvert that. They started to attack America's newspapers and media.
00:39:14.960
Hollywood. And slowly subvert that. And then Hollywood. This was the third one. And if you
00:39:19.340
look at the curriculum in a school in North Carolina from 1915, it's overtly patriotic. It's
00:39:25.660
overtly pro-American. From 2015, it's overtly anti-American. It's overtly unpatriotic, almost
00:39:32.880
Marxist. And right now, we've woken up almost too late to do something about it. But I don't think
00:39:39.400
it's quite too late as long as men and women of goodwill can stand up and take action. Yeah,
00:39:44.800
we got to win at the ballot box. Absolutely. Yes, we got to win on the culture front, which
00:39:50.160
is why podcasts like Order of Man are important, which is why Wayne's shows are important. My
00:39:54.540
shows are important. Folks like The Daily Wire that are creating conservative-themed movies,
00:39:59.340
those are important. But it's also important to hit them where it hurts. And that's their
00:40:04.040
pocketbook. That's their wallets. That's why we got to convince as many people as possible,
00:40:09.900
not just to, as you said, Ryan, take money away from spending it on Netflix and Disney and
00:40:14.680
Bed Bath & Beyond and those types of companies, but have an alternative, a place they can take
00:40:18.960
their money and spend it. Wayne's right. This only has 123 companies. I bet you there's 1,000,
00:40:25.100
10,000 pro-American companies in America. At some point, we'd like all of them to be in a database
00:40:30.480
where we've vetted them through this Patriot Scale. Can I just quickly show you what our Patriot Scale
00:40:35.420
is? Yeah, man, I'm interested. I'm interested in how you evaluate a company. Wayne, you were
00:40:41.200
talking about, look, I'll give you an example. I think this was last year sometime. I pulled into
00:40:46.760
a gas station and I got gas and I happened to pull in when it was, I don't know what it was,
00:40:52.060
LBGTQ Appreciation Month or whatever. I don't even know what it is anymore, but whatever it was.
00:40:57.640
And there was a rainbow flag on the gas pump. And I thought to myself, I don't care if my gas is gay
00:41:04.800
or straight. I just want it to be as cheap as possible for the value I'm looking for. To your
00:41:12.560
point earlier, I don't need to be bombarded with social messaging around what's going in my gas
00:41:18.160
tank. But I think the biggest thing and one of the biggest challenges with things like you're
00:41:23.260
talking about parallel economies is convenience, right? The only reason that people watch Netflix
00:41:29.040
is because, well, I just bought a new TV yesterday and I pulled it up. It's already downloaded on the
00:41:33.340
TV. Like I didn't even have to do anything. It's already there on the TV when I plugged it in.
00:41:37.740
You know, and I think that's going to be the biggest issue also with the risk of social
00:41:44.220
ostracization, if that's a word, being ostracized.
00:41:47.940
Social ostracization, ostracism, ostracism. That's kind of like a, like a strategery. So
00:41:55.260
there's, there's my, there's my gaffe for the, for the afternoon.
00:42:00.140
Well, I just wanted to say, Nikki, before you give the freedom scale, I just want to mention
00:42:04.080
one thing, latest Rasmussen polls out and Biden is at 40%. If the election was held today and Trump's
00:42:11.220
at 47, that's a landslide. I mean, that's electoral massive landslide. And that's a popular
00:42:17.400
landslide in the United States. Seven point win. So the more that Democrats, or maybe as we're all
00:42:23.500
defining them, crazy, radical, extremist liberals do to arrest the Donald Trump on trumped up charges,
00:42:31.180
to demonize Donald Trump, to make all white people out to be evil, to make all men out to be terrible,
00:42:38.500
to make America's history evil, to convince your children that a boy should be a girl and a girl
00:42:45.800
should change to a boy. The more they do that, the more people are getting shocked and angry and
00:42:51.840
moving to the other side. I pretty much meet only Republican leaning people. Now I don't even meet
00:42:57.940
anyone who says, Oh, I love Joe Biden, or I hate Trump. I meet so many people who are middle-class
00:43:03.440
and blue collar, and they're all Republican red. Now they've all come over to our side, including
00:43:08.420
every Hispanic I meet in Las Vegas. And every male Hispanic is a raving Republican now, but yet I'm
00:43:15.200
scared to death, Ryan, that we're not going to ever win another election because the elections are
00:43:20.440
rigged and because they opened the border and let millions of foreigners in who could not care about
00:43:26.100
anything except welfare and food stamps. And the Democrats are the ones who let them in, and they're
00:43:30.300
the ones who will give them unlimited checks. So between the rigged elections in certain key states
00:43:35.000
and the open border, we could win 50 to 20, and it wouldn't matter if things are rigged. So I'm scared
00:43:42.060
to death that the America I know is never coming back, and we're never going to elect anyone again.
00:43:47.860
Maybe we got one shot left with Trump in 2024, but then after that, there will probably never be
00:43:53.300
another Republican president. So that's why I'm trying to quickly build a conservative parallel economy
00:43:58.860
to protect us if I'm right, and it's really that bad. And I think it's really that bad. Because last
00:44:05.480
night we lost the Supreme Court in Wisconsin. Another tragic result. Not just Chicago lost to a
00:44:10.960
communist, but a very radical liberal was elected as Supreme Court in Wisconsin, which means the
00:44:17.740
liberals have the edge. So you're probably never going to win Wisconsin again, because as they cheat
00:44:23.960
and they rig and they steal and they stuff the ballot box, your only choice is to bring it to your state
00:44:29.320
Supreme Court. And the state Supreme Court in Wisconsin is now against us for the first time.
00:44:34.520
So you're probably never going to win that state again. So it gets smaller and smaller window
00:44:38.660
to ever win another election and fight for what's right. It's very, very tough.
00:44:44.600
I think this goes to your point about the pocketbook, because if I understand correctly with
00:44:48.560
that race in Wisconsin, or is it a race or is it an appointed position? I think it was a race.
00:44:55.440
Yeah. With regards to that, it seems like the liberal side, if I saw correctly, outspent the
00:45:03.620
conservative side, five to one. So it's a financially driven win. And I think that's
00:45:10.400
what you're talking about here. If I asked you, Ryan, right now, why do you think Democrats,
00:45:16.760
Democrat candidates have so much more money than Republican candidates? What would be your answer?
00:45:21.840
Well, I think it's powerful people that have money that want to maintain the power, want to control
00:45:28.480
the narrative and control the direction. And that's why they spend money on those individuals
00:45:34.680
Partially right. No question. Corporations back Democrats and billionaires back Democrats
00:45:39.540
because they want to be the only ones who are rich at the top. And that's communism, right?
00:45:43.880
Thin layer at the top is rich and they want everyone else to be serfs and like it and be happy.
00:45:49.620
But the real answer is because China is now funding American elections. As a matter of fact,
00:45:55.160
in Michigan, Whitmer is one of the most liberal, crazy, radical Democrats in America. And the governor
00:46:01.160
who just got reelected, Whitmer, it turns out now that she got, I think it was $100 million in
00:46:07.220
contributions from like 200,000 people who gave under $100. So you don't have to report who you are.
00:46:14.400
I'm telling you that money is coming from China. China is funding Democrats who,
00:46:19.620
then the minute they get in, pass law after law that weakens the United States,
00:46:24.760
kills our economy, and make sure that China will be the dominant country in the world.
00:46:29.160
But that politician, I guarantee you, has $100 million in a Cayman bank account.
00:46:34.780
Guarantee you, they're all on the take. The entire Democrat Party, including Joe Biden and
00:46:39.960
the White House, it's all owned by China's Communist Party. That's who's been inflicting
00:46:45.260
damage on America. That's who's the foreign interference. That's who owns American elections.
00:46:50.520
And I give an assist to the Mexican drug cartels who make billions a day. You don't think they're
00:46:56.320
giving 5% as a finder's fee to the Democrat Party to keep the border open? Why would any sane person
00:47:02.040
keep the border open and let fentanyl to come in and pedophilia to come in and sex traffickers to come
00:47:08.480
in and people who want welfare and criminals and murderers to come in? Why would you want that?
00:47:12.860
The Democrat Party loves it, it seems like. But do you think the conservative party is above that
00:47:20.800
same behavior? No, I don't. No, I think that's the whole problem with America. It's not conservatives.
00:47:26.920
Conservatives are above that. Republicans aren't. The party is full of rhino establishment types
00:47:33.200
who either are in on the fix or they are certainly getting some sort of a payment somewhere for making
00:47:40.800
sure that conservatives don't take office and kill the deep state in the D.C. swamp. And you can see
00:47:45.780
it best with FTX and Sam Bankman. What was his name? Sam Bankman. Freed, I think. Freed. Freed or Friedman.
00:47:52.100
He gave millions to the Democrat Party laundered in Ukraine. He gave millions. But he also gave millions
00:47:58.700
to Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy to defeat Trump candidates in the Republican primary.
00:48:05.180
And we just elected McCarthy to be the Speaker of our House. And we re-elected, what is her name,
00:48:12.620
Rona McDaniel to be the RNC head. She's horrible. As far as I'm concerned, she's completely paid off
00:48:18.960
by corporate interests to destroy the Republican Party. She hasn't said one word about Trump's arrest,
00:48:23.680
by the way. It's quite amazing. So all I can tell you is both sides are paid off by big corporate
00:48:29.160
interests, China and the Mexican drug cartel. Democrats, a lot worse to destroy America.
00:48:35.120
Republicans more like, hey, I want to get rich for my family. I'll get paid off by ExxonMobil.
00:48:40.500
Democrats by China. I'll take Republicans because I'd rather be paid off by ExxonMobil in China.
00:48:48.040
It's terrible. It's terrible. It's a horrible thing. It's a horrible thing. And unfortunately,
00:48:53.180
the influence of the Chinese Communist Party in North America is huge. It's real. They're doing
00:48:59.580
it in Canada, too. In Trudeau, there's a scandal going on where 11 Liberal MPs were found to have
00:49:08.560
been supported and financed by the Chinese Communist Party. One of them had to resign from the Liberal
00:49:15.760
Caucus, but not a seat in Parliament. So he's still sitting in Parliament. He's just not officially
00:49:20.420
a Liberal anymore. And that's taking place over here. And, you know, Wayne, I'm not as pessimistic
00:49:26.880
as you. I believe we still have a chance. I believe that God is a mighty God and God is mightier than
00:49:32.820
the communists and God is mightier than the evil people on the evil left. But I got to tell you,
00:49:39.600
we got to do our part. And I want to just get back to the Freedom Scale, Ryan, because I think the
00:49:44.060
Freedom Scale is powerful. We got up track a little bit there. I want to hear about this.
00:49:47.280
So the Freedom Scale, we've created this designation called the Free Corporation. Like
00:49:51.880
the B Corp, we got the Free Corp, OK? All right. And there's six categories that make up the Freedom
00:49:57.740
Scale. Number one is political involvement. Does a company stick to business or are they virtue
00:50:03.040
signaling and supporting leftist causes? So we score them on a one to five scale, like one being
00:50:08.060
their virtue signalers and cravenly caving to the woke mob. And five is they refuse to be bullied
00:50:13.600
and tell the woke mob to go to hell. Number two, it's political donations. To which political
00:50:18.180
candidates and causes do they donate, right? Do they donate to woke liberal and Marxist organizations
00:50:23.560
and candidates like BLM, Media Matters, the SELU, the Democrat Party, Planned Parenthood, or the
00:50:29.360
patriotic and conservative ones like the GOP, you know, the RNC, MAGA, the NRA, the National
00:50:34.920
Right to Life, you know, O'Keefe Media Group, the successor to Project Veritas. Again,
00:50:39.560
one to five scale. Number three, workplace culture. Is there a workplace culture, one that embraces
00:50:44.360
freedom or is it poisoned by political correctness? Do they promote freedom and free expression at work
00:50:51.140
or are some opinions more equal than others? Number four, marketing messaging. Are the marketing
00:50:56.700
messages of the company steeped in pro-USA and American exceptionalism rhetoric or are they heinously
00:51:01.780
woke and anti-human and pro-scarcity? Do they celebrate American freedom or do they denigrate
00:51:07.440
and crap all over liberty? Number five, hiring policies for employees and vendors. Does a company
00:51:12.640
hire the best man or woman for the job or do they engage in woke racism and favor anyone but
00:51:17.320
conservatives and straight white males, okay? Do they treat all employees and vendors as equals or do
00:51:22.820
they explicitly engage in harsh bigotry against conservatives and straight white males? And number
00:51:27.260
six, commitment to freedom in society. Does the company stand for American values or has it been
00:51:33.180
frightened into towing the world client, right? Basically, this is what we are talking about
00:51:38.460
here. These six categories make up the freedom scale. We ran all of these companies through this
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and they're not all perfect. Let me tell you, there's some companies that have done things that
00:51:47.820
we absolutely don't agree with. But on balance, we found that the companies on this list were companies
00:51:53.460
that were more freedom oriented than they were non-freedom oriented. And we're sure that some of the
00:52:01.160
companies on this list may backtrack, right? But we're sure there's tons more that once they see
00:52:08.500
something like this exists are going to want to be a part of this. And there's tons more people
00:52:13.040
that are in business that want to see America and her promise continue to live beyond them.
00:52:19.740
They want to leave a legacy of American freedom. What was it that Ronald Reagan said? He said,
00:52:24.260
freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction, right? You can't pass it on to the
00:52:30.820
next generation in the bloodstream. It's got to be nurtured. It's got to be fought for.
00:52:35.560
Well, Wayne Root's going to update Reagan saying, freedom is never more than one year away from
00:52:39.840
extinction. 2024. It's definitely the timeframe has definitely sped up. You know, the other thing
00:52:47.440
about this that's powerful, there's a couple of things I hear here that I like is, number one,
00:52:54.160
I hate to say it, but it is the truth. You're taking out a lot of the work on the consumer end and
00:53:00.120
we're lazy. Let's just admit it. We're all lazy. We're all ignorant. We don't dive into the topics.
00:53:06.200
We don't do the research. We don't know what organizations we're supporting. We don't know
00:53:11.620
what political candidates stand for. I hate to say that it's truth. So that's important.
00:53:17.420
The other one is the concept of strength in numbers, because yeah, when you talk about backtracking,
00:53:22.680
I think the more accurate term would be caving because of the pressure that a company would
00:53:30.900
receive. You know, you think one thing, for example, I see is, and this is a growing trend
00:53:35.440
in specifically the NHL is that these NHL players don't want to be poster boys for LGBTQ agendas.
00:53:45.840
And so you have one bold, courageous soul. I don't care if you agree with him or not,
00:53:50.280
but he's bold and courageous. There's no doubt about that. Who says, no, I'm not going to do
00:53:54.380
that. And that starts to snowball. And now you're seeing more and more professional athletes say,
00:53:59.540
no, I actually, I'm not going to be a poster child for something. I don't agree with or believe in.
00:54:04.560
You know what I think is the poster child for what's happening in our society. And I thought of
00:54:08.060
it because your show is dedicated to men. And so, you know, I want to tell you a little personal
00:54:13.060
story. So I have four kids and they're all really smart kids. So my daughter got the top SAT scores in the
00:54:20.140
country and she won the national merit scholarship and she got accepted by 13 for 13 of the greatest
00:54:25.940
schools in America, Ivy league elite schools. And she's including the two she aimed at since she was
00:54:31.120
three years old, Harvard and Stanford. And she picked Harvard and she graduated top of her class,
00:54:37.000
Phi Beta Kappa. And now she's Dr. Dakota Root. Great story, right? Well, my son, who's the second
00:54:43.020
oldest, he got the same SAT scores as her, but he's 10 years younger than her. So 10 years later,
00:54:49.720
he got the same top SAT scores in the country. And he also won the national merit scholarship,
00:54:56.380
which is just the odds of two kids doing that are so difficult. He won it in the same family,
00:55:01.200
that's the same family, impossible, right? They both did possible. And he applied to like 12 colleges,
00:55:06.340
including some that weren't anywhere near Ivy league. And he got rejected by 11 out of 12.
00:55:12.380
Well, the only answer it could be is he's a white male and he's a white straight male. Cause I heard,
00:55:17.520
you know, my friends have kids at Columbia diversity, my old alma mater. And they have,
00:55:21.960
I have friends who have kids at a lot of elite schools. And they tell me almost all the students
00:55:26.840
are gay and trans. They look for gay trans students. So if you're black, a woman and lesbian,
00:55:33.540
you've hit the lottery. If you're, if you're white, straight male, you're not wanted anymore.
00:55:38.580
So I will point out, are there any white kids at Ivy league schools now? Yes. Do you know who they
00:55:43.120
are? They're rich legacy kids whose mommy and daddy devoted a hundred million dollars to a building,
00:55:48.980
but white middle-class kids and white lower-class boys have zero chance, no matter how smart they are
00:55:56.640
of getting a slot at one of America's top colleges because they're white and because their family
00:56:02.440
isn't rich and can't donate money for a building. And I just think that's a sin. I think it's
00:56:07.960
disgusting. I'm an SOB, a blue collar son of a butcher. I came from nothing and I got it to
00:56:14.320
Columbia university. I didn't get in cause I was poor and I didn't get in cause I was white or not
00:56:18.900
white. I got in cause I got the top SAT scores in the country and graduated valedictorian from my
00:56:24.340
high school. I deserve to get in. I didn't beg them to get in cause I had no money. So why should
00:56:29.440
someone get in because they're black, because they're gay, because they're trans, because they're
00:56:34.820
Latino and their grades don't even equal any of the Asian or white students that actually earned
00:56:40.360
getting in. That's what's wrong with America today. That's the direction we're going. And I just find
00:56:46.080
it offensive. I find it disgusting. I find it disgraceful. And most of all, I find it completely
00:56:51.960
racist. Our country has legalized the hatred of the white race, but anyone else you mentioned your
00:56:58.740
career's over. If God forbid you sound like you're anti-black or anti-gay or anti-anything,
00:57:03.740
your career's over, but you can legally say whatever you want about white people and call
00:57:08.980
them names and call them evil and block them from jobs and admissions to college. And nobody cares.
00:57:14.980
How was that fair when my family got here in 1920 and had nothing to do with slavery ever? I have
00:57:21.720
nothing to do with it. Why am I getting blamed for it? Yeah. Well, guys, I mean, these are interesting.
00:57:27.140
These are interesting concepts. And I enjoy having discussions about interesting concepts. And I'm
00:57:33.900
excited to see where this goes. I think you're right. I think there is a growing movement of people
00:57:39.220
and organizations that are interested in not being preached at about cultural issues and these
00:57:46.380
woke ideologies. And I hope this does grow. I hope to see it grow. I hope that you guys are able to
00:57:51.760
identify these organizations and we can help it be more convenient and more profitable and make sense
00:57:59.720
for our pocketbooks. It's an interesting idea and I'm excited to dig more into it. So I really
00:58:04.180
appreciate your guys' time. Tell us where to get the book and where to connect with both of you
00:58:07.880
to learn a little bit more. The book's available on Amazon, right? And it's available on Barnes & Noble
00:58:13.720
and other stores. So you can go there and grab it anywhere. And just go on. You can look up Wayne's
00:58:19.640
name or you can just go type in the Great Patriot Bicot book or you can look up my name. The book will
00:58:24.420
be available there. Okay. So that's the first step we want you to take. We don't want you to just buy
00:58:28.960
a copy of the book for yourself, though. Honestly, if you've got friends or family members that you know
00:58:34.340
think like you do or at least are among the persuadables and they're not crazy, get a copy for
00:58:40.220
them too. Let them know that someone's done the work to identify the companies that are the right
00:58:45.220
types of companies for you to do business with and hand it to them. And if you own a corporation
00:58:48.640
and you're not on the list and you think you should be, reach out to Wayne or myself.
00:58:53.540
Tell us why we should run you through the Freedom Scale. We'll definitely put you through the next
00:58:57.620
one. And Ryan, I want to just say this one thing. First of all, thanks for having us on the Order of
00:59:03.200
Man and allowing us to be on your platform and to speak to your audience. Because I know you've got
00:59:08.760
a huge platform and you take your responsibility to communicate with them with the right types of
00:59:14.540
guests and information very seriously. So we both really appreciate you doing this for us.
00:59:19.460
And secondly, if you're a man right now and what Wayne just said about what's happening to young
00:59:24.360
men, what's happening to straight and white men, although listen, I'm a brown man myself,
00:59:29.520
but if you don't like what's happening to men, you definitely need to become a part of the Order of
00:59:35.200
Man and you need to support what these guys are all about because they're doing good work.
00:59:38.980
And I got to say this, as someone who graduated from Georgetown University and someone who's got,
00:59:45.240
you know, graduated near the top of my class with a magna cum laude, my advice to young people,
00:59:50.900
brown, black, white, or Asian, is unless you want to get a professional degree to become a doctor,
00:59:56.100
a lawyer, or something like that, don't go to college and university. You're wasting your money.
01:00:00.960
Go find an alternative to it. Jordan Peterson's come up with one. There's other organizations
01:00:05.720
are coming up with one. Hell, maybe Wayne and I are going to put together a conservative
01:00:09.960
university that's going to allow folks that don't think, you know, that are being discriminated
01:00:16.780
against to have someplace to go because we need that. But do not give $250,000, $300,000 of your
01:00:23.480
money or go into debt to go to someplace that hates you and is going to try to make you feel like you're
01:00:28.680
lower than whale dung for being there. So that's the last thing I want to say. And thanks again for
01:00:33.400
helping us get the message out and help take back America. All we got to do, Wayne and I say,
01:00:37.960
is divert 10% of $4.5 trillion from woke companies to patriotic companies. We'll change America.
01:00:44.700
Let's make that happen. All right. Dwayne, how about you?
01:00:47.420
I'll jump in. I want to say something because we often say on every show I do, I did 12 interviews
01:00:51.680
today, and I'm always embarrassed almost to say, where do you get the book? You get it at Amazon.
01:00:56.520
We're number one in like 20 categories at Amazon. Number one bestseller. But Amazon is a woke liberal
01:01:03.980
company. Unfortunately, I'm a very realistic guy. They sell 90% of all the books online and they sell
01:01:11.220
every conservative book in America. I've written 16 books. They sell all 16 of my books. They've never
01:01:17.060
banned me. They've never censored me. And they allow us to be number one on the bestseller list.
01:01:21.560
We sold enough books last week. We should be on the New York Times bestseller list next week.
01:01:26.260
And I guarantee you, Nikki, we won't be because the New York Times won't allow conservatives on
01:01:30.380
the list. But Amazon does. So what I say to people is, yes, Amazon is woke. Yes, Amazon is liberal.
01:01:37.700
Yes, Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post, who owns Amazon. He's very liberal. He's very woke. He's very
01:01:43.000
pathetic. But what you should do is boycott all the other products at Amazon. Find the companies in our
01:01:50.400
book where you can buy the other products, but buy conservative books at Amazon. And when sales
01:01:56.020
are down by 1,000% at Amazon, but the sale of conservative books is up by 1,000%, they'll get
01:02:03.080
the very strong message, what's going on? I say Amazon because it's easy. You point, you click,
01:02:09.500
and you get the book in 24 hours. You'll be reading this book by tomorrow. So buy it anywhere you want.
01:02:15.180
I think Amazon makes the most sense. You'll have it tomorrow. That's why I wanted to give a little
01:02:20.180
explanation when Nikki said buy it on Amazon. The great Patriot Bicot book. And my website is
01:02:26.080
rootforamerica.com. You'll find both my TV shows, my national radio show, my podcast, my book, and my
01:02:33.360
newspaper columns that are nationally syndicated. All of them at Root for America. It's my command
01:02:38.160
central. You go there, you click on the TV show. And when I'm on, at the time I'm on every day,
01:02:43.740
it's automatically on. And if I'm not on, there's a library of all my shows from yesterday and the day
01:02:49.180
before and the day before. So rather than spend 10 minutes explaining where my shows are,
01:02:53.120
just go to rootforamerica.com. The great Patriot Bicot book. Ryan, it's an honor to be on your
01:02:59.800
podcast. Thank you for having us on. God bless you for everything you're doing for men. You are the
01:03:04.940
best. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Can I say one last thing, Ryan? One last thing, brother. So if
01:03:10.500
you're a business owner and you want to be on a future edition of this list and you have some ideas
01:03:16.220
that you want to bring forward about, hey, how we can help get more businesses on there,
01:03:21.120
I'm going to offer you this. You can get on my calendar, go to ecircleacademy.com forward slash
01:03:26.880
appointment. Tell me you listen to us on this show and say, you want to have a conversation. You own
01:03:32.300
a company. Let's talk about this and you, let's get you having a conversation with us so we can build
01:03:37.380
the next 123 companies on the list. That's it. Excellent. Thank you guys. Appreciate the work you're
01:03:42.520
doing. Um, like I said, excited to dig into this and see what we can do. Thanks guys.
01:03:46.800
Thanks Ryan. God bless. Bye-bye. Take care. Bye-bye.
01:03:50.540
All right, guys, there you go. My conversation with two very interesting and fascinating men,
01:03:54.720
Nikki Blue and Wayne Allen Root. Uh, again, I know this one's going to be polarizing and that's by
01:04:00.180
design. It's okay that things are polarizing. It's okay. We have difficult conversations. It's okay.
01:04:04.660
We talk about things that most people aren't willing to talk about for better or worse. We want to have
01:04:09.400
these conversations and we want to be a place that we can explore. Even if we don't entirely agree with
01:04:15.080
all of the things that we discuss, we want to explore the ideas so we can take the good and
01:04:20.340
separate the bad and apply what we can in our lives. So, uh, make sure you check out the book. I think
01:04:25.380
it's a fascinating idea. Uh, I I'm, I'm interested in the concept of this quote unquote bycott and, uh,
01:04:31.880
their freedom scale that evaluates these companies and, and really sticking it to organizations that
01:04:38.080
are, are, are actively working against the, the, the ideas and the values of many of their
01:04:43.800
consumers. So check out the book. Again, it's called the great Patriot bycott book and check
01:04:48.960
out what Nikki and Wayne are doing. Uh, and then also check out the battle ready program at
01:04:53.880
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01:04:57.820
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01:05:11.500
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01:05:16.580
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