Order of Man - NICKY BILLOU & WAYNE ALLYN ROOT ｜ The Case for Parallel Economies

00:00:00.000 With the proliferation of political and cultural ideologies increasingly permeating many of our

00:00:06.640 favorite companies and brands, it's becoming really difficult to justify spending our hard-earned

00:00:11.740 dollars on companies that do not align with our values and actively work against them.

00:00:17.600 But you know, as well as I do, boycotting only goes so far. And as soon as the excitement and

00:00:22.940 fervor against these companies wears off, most people go back to spending their money on Budweiser,

00:00:27.940 Disney and Gillette and Netflix to name a few. My guests today, Nikki Blue and Wayne Allen Root make

00:00:34.300 the case that not only should people boycott these organizations, but create alternatives to

00:00:39.180 compete with these companies and hit them where it hurts, their wallet. Today, we talk about racism

00:00:44.100 and the flawed idea of reverse racism, something they call the freedom scale for evaluating

00:00:51.000 organizations that align with conservative values, the line between liberalism and leftism, and also

00:00:57.320 the power of creating parallel economies.

00:00:59.840 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your

00:01:04.840 own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily

00:01:10.680 deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you

00:01:18.080 will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:23.960 Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler. I'm the host and the founder of the

00:01:28.580 Order of Men podcast and movement. Welcome here today. If you're just joining us and welcome back

00:01:33.780 with us if you've been with us for any amount of time. Glad you're here. It's my goal to interview

00:01:39.380 interesting men, successful men, men with interesting ideas, fascinating perspectives,

00:01:45.380 so we can extract their wisdom and their knowledge and their information and learn from their lessons

00:01:50.680 and take that information and apply it into our own lives. Of course, we've got great guests. We've

00:01:57.300 got guys like Tim Tebow and Tim Kennedy and Jocko Willink and Andy Frisilla and Ben Shapiro and Matthew

00:02:05.280 McConaughey and Terry Crews. If you're just joining us, go back through the archives and listen to some

00:02:10.560 of these conversations. Just pick out the ones that stick out to you and pick and choose what's going

00:02:15.740 to fit, what's going to apply in your life. And hopefully you'll, you'll become a better man

00:02:19.660 because you are applying some of these lessons that the guys that come on this podcast are teaching us.

00:02:26.600 So guys, I've got a very interesting one. And that's, I'm using that word intentionally

00:02:30.880 interesting. I know that this is going to be probably a polarizing subject, but we need to

00:02:35.740 have these conversations. We need to start exploring different ideas and alternative ways of looking at

00:02:40.600 things. And I think this one's really going to charge a lot of people up for, for both positive

00:02:45.680 and maybe some negative as well. But again, it's our goal to interview and have conversations with

00:02:51.360 interesting people and then make our decisions from there. So before we get into that, I just want

00:02:55.920 to let you know, I really appreciate all the support over the past several months and appreciate you

00:03:00.500 tuning in. Appreciate you playing, appreciate you holding me accountable. And this, this movement and

00:03:05.660 the conversations I'm having, it's just as much for me as it, as it is anybody else, probably more so.

00:03:11.400 So I just want to thank you for standing with us and being part of this movement and organization,

00:03:15.160 you know, as well as I do, how, how needed it is in society. So guys, let me introduce you to my

00:03:20.220 guest today. I have two guests. I think this might be the first time I actually interviewed two people

00:03:25.000 at the same time. One's name is Nikki Blue and the other is Wayne Allen Root. They are the authors of

00:03:31.720 the great Patriot protest and boycott book and their latest book, the great Patriot boycott book.

00:03:37.600 And they make the case that boycotting only goes so far, but until consumers have alternatives

00:03:43.300 to these brands that don't align with their values, nothing is going to change. As I said,

00:03:49.140 it's Nikki Blue and Wayne Allen Root. Nikki is an immigrant from Iran to Canada and has actually

00:03:54.440 seen firsthand some of the dangerous ideology presented from leftists, how that leads to danger,

00:04:00.340 destruction, and even death. Wayne has been a popular conservative political pundit for decades,

00:04:05.960 warning of the dangers of communist and socialist agendas. They've joined in their latest book to

00:04:10.920 make the case again for parallel economies and intentional consumer actions to shift rhetoric

00:04:16.280 and political and cultural ideologies away from companies that many Americans do not align with.

00:04:22.220 Enjoy this one guys. Nikki, my friend, it's good to see you. And it's good to see that you have

00:04:27.660 a good choice in style as well. You're wearing the exact same shirt that I am and I appreciate the

00:04:33.880 support today. Yeah, you bet, brother. The Order of Man is an incredible organization. What you've

00:04:39.360 been doing for men is so needed more today than when you and I first met, brother. You know what I'm

00:04:44.860 talking about? Men are more lost than ever and they need people who are going to celebrate manhood

00:04:49.580 masculinity more than ever. So kudos to you and kudos to the Order of Man. Yeah, I never would have

00:04:55.960 thought that it would get worse than it was. I think I got out ahead of it, not by some great

00:05:02.860 design. I think I just kind of stumbled into getting out ahead of it because I was working on things for

00:05:07.520 myself. In fact, I still am. And I'm fortunate that it happened that way because you're right.

00:05:13.680 The conversations that we're having, not only are they good for me and individuals, but man,

00:05:19.060 society as a whole is going down the wrong path. It's really disheartening to see, but guys like

00:05:24.820 you and I try to be and other people that are in our circle are really starting to stand up and

00:05:30.540 championing truth and masculinity and exactly what this country needs. Amen, brother. And I wish it was

00:05:38.080 just confined to the United States, but it's needed in my, where I am in Canada, it's needed

00:05:42.300 all over the world, all over the Western world. We are in for a world of hurt if we don't turn this

00:05:48.380 around. And Nicky, I can't remember. Tell me where you and your family are from originally.

00:05:53.920 We're from Iran. We're Christian, ethnic Christians from Iran. I don't know if you follow

00:05:59.480 Valuetainment channel with Patrick Beck David at all. I know of him, but I don't follow, but I know of

00:06:06.940 him. He's like me. He's an Iranian, Christian, Assyrian ethnic. And I'm kind of proud to see him

00:06:16.080 doing what he's doing, right? Because he goes out there and he speaks the truth. And it's important,

00:06:24.740 in my opinion, that powerful men and women of goodwill stand up right now against all the attacks that

00:06:32.740 are being made on men, boys, and masculinity. I was talking to a young man day before yesterday,

00:06:42.920 22 years old here in Canada, good fellow, graduated from sports management. And he has a degree in a

00:06:51.020 postgraduate kind of designation. He's trying to get an entry-level job with a sports organization.

00:06:57.220 He goes deep into the interview process. And at the end, they say, hey, you're not a visible minority,

00:07:02.000 so we can't hire you. I mean, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? This is ridiculous. Now,

00:07:08.840 we shouldn't be discriminating against visible minorities. Absolutely not. But

00:07:12.300 should we discriminate against people who are not visible minorities? That's ridiculous. 0.99

00:07:17.260 Martin Luther King's dream was for us to live in a country where every man is judged not by the color 0.89

00:07:24.020 of his skin, but by the content of his character. He must be rolling in his grave right now.

00:07:28.380 Well, it's, you know, the term that we hear a lot, and I actually don't like this term,

00:07:34.340 is that's reverse racism. It's actually not reverse racism. It's just racism.

00:07:39.680 It's just racism. Plain and simple.

00:07:42.480 That's it. I don't, I cannot, for the life of me, fathom. Well, I do. I do. I was going to say,

00:07:49.040 I can't fathom why we've, why we've done this, but I do know why it is. The polarity that's created

00:07:54.100 generates eyeballs, which in turn generates revenue, which in turn generates power.

00:07:59.420 And it seems like too many of us have bought into this narrative and not only bought into it. Now,

00:08:04.460 a lot of people are acting on it, living by it. And it seems that racism is, I don't know,

00:08:10.440 maybe it's just the media or, or, or just what we're exposed to and not real life. Cause I certainly

00:08:14.900 don't see it in, in my everyday life. Maybe I'm in a bubble, but it seems to be exacerbated through

00:08:22.080 the media, but it seems like it's worse than it's ever been possibly. No, not ever. Of course,

00:08:26.900 not ever, but getting progressively worse. I should say that you're bang on with the last part of what

00:08:31.900 you said. Racism has been pretty bad throughout history, but lately when I came to, to North America,

00:08:37.520 it was 1982. There was racism here. I experienced some racism for being, you know, an olive skin,

00:08:43.480 Middle Eastern man. No question about it. Okay. And I experienced some racism when I went through

00:08:49.480 my divorce, the courts treated me differently. Cause I was a Middle Eastern man. There's no

00:08:53.700 question about it here. It was disgusting. But how do you know that Nikki? How do you know, 0.92

00:08:58.260 how do you know it wasn't just because you're a man? Well, it was definitely cause I was a man.

00:09:02.800 There's no question about it. I know. I know that. I know that for sure. Stacked. Sure.

00:09:06.960 All it is. But the fact I, I, I, I got to read the transcripts. Okay. Because

00:09:14.480 they, they, there was transcripts of, I got to read them and in the transcripts, what got the,

00:09:21.700 the authorities involved in the whole thing was he's from the Middle East. You know, he might decide

00:09:27.560 to just take the kids and run away to Iran. Right. That was the lawyers just were amazing at doing 0.98

00:09:34.480 whatever they had to do to trigger involvement by the authorities and, and stop me from even being

00:09:40.660 able to see my kids or my ex or speak to them. That led to our divorce happening. There's no question

00:09:46.740 that if I were not a Middle Eastern man, that line of attack would not have been used. And they, 0.97

00:09:52.740 they use that. I hate to say it, but at least 15 years ago, they use that. If you were, you know,

00:09:58.280 from the Middle East, if you were a hot blooded Latin, or if you were, you know, from Jamaica,

00:10:03.800 they would say stuff about your ethnicity and the court system and the authorities who claim to be

00:10:10.620 so virtue signaling would go, Oh, okay. Let's jump all over these guys. It's disgusting. And it's 1.00

00:10:15.520 ridiculous. Yeah. It's, it, it really is a challenge. I I'm, I'm trying to see things from 0.91

00:10:21.520 all angles. And, you know, we talked about having you on with, with regards to your latest book,

00:10:27.000 the great Patriot, uh, bycott book. And I'll be really honest as I was reading through it. I'm,

00:10:33.260 I thought to myself, what, what would, what would somebody think of this that didn't know anything

00:10:38.660 about it? Or what would somebody from the other side, one quote other side, think about it. And

00:10:43.660 if you look at just the table of contents, you know, you could very easily make the case that

00:10:48.820 it's just, it's, it's, it's like a right wing conspiracy theorist playbook and look, I'm reading

00:10:58.120 through it. I, I, I actually agree with a lot of points made, but I'm trying to see it from all the

00:11:03.720 angles. And I want to explore, is this real? Is this not, is this true? Are we painting ourselves

00:11:09.560 as victims both on the left and the right? Of course I have my own personal beliefs and my own

00:11:13.600 biases. I am trying to look at things as objectively as possible. Yeah, of course you are. And, and so

00:11:20.480 am I, and you, you got to get Ryan. Um, I'm a businessman. Um, I would rather much rather not

00:11:28.920 have to deal with any of this political crap. I'd rather just go out there and run my business. You 0.97

00:11:34.400 know what I mean? And take care of my family. But the truth of the matter is I come from Iran

00:11:39.800 and my family left Iran because the Islamic revolution took place in Iran back in 78, 79.

00:11:48.640 Uh, and by 1980, my father got us out of Iran. Okay. The reason he got us out of Iran was because 0.82

00:11:56.480 the moderate and mild dictatorship of the Shah was replaced by the absolute tyranny of the Mullahs. 0.91

00:12:02.940 And they would attack us based on who we were, our identity being Christian and, uh, ethnic Assyrian.

00:12:11.700 They would attack us for that. And they also would say that anybody who disagreed with them

00:12:16.840 was evil, a racist, uh, uh, a xenophobe, all that sort of stuff. And I come here going,

00:12:25.780 oh my God, we're living in freedom right now. We're good to go. This is all amazing. Glad to be

00:12:31.820 here. And for many decades, we lived life in a free society. Grateful to be here. And then all of a

00:12:37.140 sudden I'm hearing some phrases being used by the left that are reminiscent of what the Mullahs used

00:12:43.560 back in Iran. And I'm a student of history. You know, I studied, um, international politics and

00:12:48.740 university. I have a master's degree from Georgetown university at the school of foreign service. I studied

00:12:53.280 cold war politics and all that good stuff. And here's what happened, my friend. Those phrases

00:12:58.800 were eerily reminiscent of those of the tyrants. Okay. Those of the tyrants, the tyrants would say

00:13:05.480 things like, Oh, this group of people are wrong. They're bad. They're evil because they believe this. 0.53

00:13:13.120 You can't normalize them. It's okay to shoot them. It's okay to, to read them out of polite society. 1.00

00:13:19.860 Just last week, um, uh, uh, a trans individual walked into a Christian school, elementary school

00:13:27.640 and shot three nine-year-old kids and three adults looking after them. Why? For what reason?

00:13:35.080 Because this individual thought that them being Christian meant that they were beyond the pale.

00:13:39.340 They had forfeited the right to live. Are you kidding me? And the mainstream media didn't report

00:13:45.780 this, didn't mention that this person had an ideology that was twisted up by hate. And they

00:13:51.960 just tried to say, Oh, this is such a tragedy. Let's pass gun control laws. I saw this happening

00:13:57.480 here. And I thought I can no longer not be involved in the political cultural issues of the day.

00:14:04.340 I need to stand up. I need to speak out. That's why I've gotten involved in men's work because like

00:14:10.680 you, I believe men right now are receiving a bit of a raw deal by society. And that's why, um, I decided

00:14:17.580 to write this book and the previous book with my friend, Wayne Allen root. It looks like Wayne

00:14:22.620 Sierra. Hello Wayne. We could stand up for freedom. We could stand up for free expression and we could

00:14:31.140 help change America and therefore change the world. Ryan, you know, America is the one indispensable

00:14:36.680 nation in the world. Okay. If when I was in Iran, my family had somewhere to flee to. If we lose

00:14:45.220 freedom in America, there's nowhere for us to go. Freedom will end on earth. And Abraham Lincoln said

00:14:52.820 that he fought the civil war because he wanted to make sure that government of the people by the people

00:14:59.260 for the people shall not perish from this earth. Wayne and I do what we do. We wrote these books together

00:15:06.020 because we want to make sure that government of the people by the people for the people shall not perish

00:15:11.880 from this earth. Wayne, I want to ask you, I know you're jumping in a little bit late, but I want to ask you

00:15:16.760 is as you guys wrote this book, do you feel at all like, like it's futile, uh, in a, in a way, almost

00:15:23.480 preaching to the choir. I mean, I'm a conservative. Most people that listen to this podcast know that about

00:15:28.240 myself, uh, and, and know a little bit about my, my value systems. And, you know, at times, uh, it feels

00:15:36.400 like I'm preaching to the choir and there's no real opportunity to even express ideas intelligently.

00:15:43.800 And I'm not even willing to say that they're like accurate all the time, but just intelligently

00:15:47.760 discuss my ideas with people who just aren't interested in hearing them. It seems like everybody

00:15:51.980 already has their, their preconceived notions and the mold they're supposed to fit in. And that's it

00:15:57.040 for both left and right. Um, you, you asked me about what's going on in America and say,

00:16:02.320 are we preaching to a choir? And my answer is unabashedly. Yes, because liberals are insane.

00:16:09.820 I'm not exaggerating. I'm telling you it's a mental illness. They want the poison vaccine. 1.00

00:16:16.020 They want the masks. They love lockdowns. They love everything that it led to suicide, drug addiction,

00:16:23.060 depression, alcoholism, children, uh, behind by years in school, uh, with fear and, and never

00:16:30.660 going to make it up. Everything that comes from liberalism, uh, crime in all the cities, open

00:16:36.100 borders, millions invading the United States border. Liberals seem to love it all. And they go, give me

00:16:42.260 more. I'll vote for Biden again. He's brain dead. He has no brains. He has dementia. Give them to me.

00:16:48.720 I want more. This is an insane group of people. So I gave up a long time ago. Anyone who considers 0.61

00:16:56.180 himself liberal, I don't even want to talk to them because it's impossible to reason with insanity. 1.00

00:17:02.840 They are nuts. They, they think trans, look what Biden said the other day, the heart and soul of 1.00

00:17:09.760 America is transgenderism. What? It's the stupidest thing any human being has ever said. Look what Chicago

00:17:18.140 did last night. Chicago had a mayor that looks like Beetlejuice. Okay. She is the most unattractive 1.00

00:17:24.480 human being the world's ever created. They voted for her. She's a communist. She ruined the town. 1.00

00:17:30.260 Nobody wants to shop on Michigan Avenue. The stores are out of business. The vacancy rates 50%.

00:17:35.880 Uh, if you're in business, hordes of marauders attack your store and steal everything you've got,

00:17:42.160 and you're not allowed to fight back or you get arrested for assault or murder. Nobody wants to go to

00:17:47.320 Chicago anymore. What'd they do last night? They elected a man who's the exact mirror image of

00:17:53.320 Beetlejuice, Lori Lightfoot. He may be even more radical communist than she is. So I, I texted my

00:17:59.780 friend who's a liberal Democrat in the Rahm Emanuel kind of mode. So he's not insane. He just believes

00:18:09.700 different things than me. And I can accept that, but he's not nuts. He doesn't want to ruin his city.

00:18:14.660 And I texted him and said, is it as bad as I'm reading on conservative websites that the man

00:18:21.220 you elected last night is a communist who hates the police, wants to defund the police and hates 0.92

00:18:28.180 white men. And I thought he'd answer back, Wayne, that's just conservatives talking. You know what 0.92

00:18:34.080 my liberal friend answered? Chicago's finished. Say goodbye to Chicago. We have no chance.

00:18:39.380 That's a liberal Democrat, but one with reason who isn't insane. You could be a Democrat and not

00:18:46.360 want to destroy your city or, or your own wife gets mugged and raped. You don't want that. The 1.00

00:18:51.840 Democrats of today do want that. They are literally insane with radicalism. They want communism, 0.99

00:19:00.360 which killed what? A hundred million people in the 20th century. They're all for it. Censorship,

00:19:06.280 banning, book burning, go after presidents, go send FBI SWAT teams at five in the morning to drag 0.75

00:19:14.680 good people out of their homes for being near a peaceful protest. This is the Democrat party of

00:19:20.980 today. It's a communist takeover of the United States and Canada. So we wrote the book.

00:19:26.300 So let me ask you, let me ask you this. So you, it sounds like at first you said liberalism is insane,

00:19:32.740 or, or those who are liberal are insane, but you're also saying that there's a distinction

00:19:38.060 between, uh, what I would say is a liberal and a leftist. Where, where do you, where do you draw

00:19:44.560 that line? Cause it sounds like on one hand, you're saying liberalism is a mental disorder, 1.00

00:19:48.480 but on the other, you're saying that there are liberals and Democrats who aren't insane. So we're 0.95

00:19:53.540 like, where's the line? Well, I, you know, I, it's a very fine line. My buddy is a liberal

00:19:57.880 or he calls himself a liberal, but he's also a businessman. So he's pro capitalism and he wants

00:20:02.800 to make money. And he certainly doesn't want crime outside his restaurants. And he owns five

00:20:07.100 of them in Chicago. So he's not insane. He wants a town that leans to the left, but which still has

00:20:13.520 law and order and doesn't want communist level tax increases and regulations. So I'd say he's

00:20:19.000 different than me. We're on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but I respect him. And I don't

00:20:23.380 think he's insane. And he attended my wedding. We're good friends. I can live with that guy.

00:20:27.820 Even though we disagree, there's no reason to kill each other. I'm not for a war, but the people

00:20:33.320 who call themselves Democrats today in the leadership, they want banning and censorship.

00:20:39.000 They want to silence me. They'd like to knock my shows off the air. They'd like to put us in prison

00:20:43.860 like they're doing with Trump. It's the most trumped up, excuse the pun, trumped up charges

00:20:49.000 in the history of the world. Never has there been a more ridiculous case than this one. As a matter of 0.99

00:20:54.280 fact, the two biggest Trump haters in the Republican party are Mitt Romney and John Bolton,

00:20:59.340 the former national security advisor. And the two of them both said, I hate Trump, but this case is

00:21:04.480 horrible. And it signals that we're becoming a banana republic. You can't just arrest someone

00:21:09.260 because you disagree with them and want to eliminate them as a candidate. We're a banana

00:21:13.080 republic at this point. So it's very scary what's happening to the United States. So our book helps

00:21:19.040 us kind of what I call a national divorce. You know, you can either choose to have a divorce and

00:21:25.140 be rid of each other, or you can live in the same house and mommy and daddy live in different bedrooms,

00:21:30.720 but they stay together for the good of the children. Our book says, I don't know if we're

00:21:35.200 going to ever divorce. I don't even know how hard the legal ramifications and complications are

00:21:40.440 of a divorce. But with our book, you can live in the same house and stay in separate wings.

00:21:45.920 And for the good of the kids of America, stay together. Just build a conservative parallel

00:21:51.760 economy, almost like building a separate country, but you stay in the United States. You only buy

00:21:57.440 from Christians. You only buy from conservatives. You only buy from patriots. You only do business 0.95

00:22:02.440 with people on the right and you defund the left and you make our side wealthy and prosperous and

00:22:07.920 happy. You create lots of jobs in red states, blue states will all go bankrupt. And eventually who knows

00:22:13.900 where to lead, but I'm telling you, New York and California are going to be bankrupt shells of

00:22:18.580 their former selves as every conservative leaves for places like Texas and Florida to get away from

00:22:24.520 the crazies of the left. So I think we're kind of pushing for a friendly national divorce, a separation

00:22:31.240 and a way to reward the good guys and defund and punish the bad guys so that we can get our country

00:22:37.660 back on track again. Or in a worst case scenario, maybe we've built another economy. We don't need the

00:22:42.700 other half anymore. We'll see where it leads 10 years from now. But I know one thing, it's a start.

00:22:47.160 I think part of the problem with that, and I like that idea actually, because there's a lot of people

00:22:51.420 that talk about this national divorce in a more literal sense, some sort of civil war possibly.

00:22:57.460 We don't want that.

00:22:58.560 Tell me how that works. Tell me how, I'm in Utah right now, so tell me how

00:23:02.380 the conservatives, like which, where do conservatives go? Do they stay or do the liberals stay? And if the

00:23:11.180 liberals leave, where do they go? If the conservatives, like it's so blended, it's not 1.00

00:23:15.220 north and south, like maybe it once was. So I like this idea, but I think one of the challenges

00:23:21.320 is that when you're talking about some of these blue type states and areas, they're going to

00:23:27.060 continue to be funded by federal funding and taxpayer dollars that come from conservatives.

00:23:35.520 Yeah. I was going to say, it's a little worse than that, than what you said. It's not just that

00:23:38.700 there are conservatives left behind enemy lines, as it were. You know, in each blue state,

00:23:44.040 there's lots of conservatives. I would guess California has more good conservatives than

00:23:48.420 most other states combined, even though they're outnumbered badly and they can never win another

00:23:53.440 major election. There's millions of good conservatives in California, and there's more

00:23:58.400 red counties than blue. But you'll notice there's a movement to break up California.

00:24:03.500 They want to create new California. And it's basically every county in California, except

00:24:09.440 LA, San Francisco, and San Diego. They're all red, except for three blue places. And the people are

00:24:16.920 so, the population is so huge in those places, it outnumbers all those other red counties.

00:24:22.380 Same thing is true in Nevada. Las Vegas, where I live, is blue. The entire rest of the Nevada is

00:24:27.720 red. Same thing's true in Oregon. Portland's blue. The whole rest of the state's red. Same thing's

00:24:33.000 true in Seattle. Seattle's blue. The entire rest of the state is red. Half of Washington wants to leave

00:24:38.600 and go to Montana. Half of Oregon wants to leave and become part of Idaho. There is a breakup happening

00:24:45.340 in our country. There is a national divorce happening. I just don't know where it's going to lead,

00:24:50.580 and I don't want a civil war. I'm trying to keep the peace. But I think one way to achieve it is

00:24:56.100 certainly in our new book, Great Patriot Bicot book, just live in a conservative economy and do not

00:25:01.780 feed the beast on the other side. You're 100% right. Government will keep giving money to a 0.79

00:25:07.120 failing California, but it's never going to be enough. As more and more patriots leave those states,

00:25:12.860 they're going to be in a lot of trouble. New York already, I have friends who live there.

00:25:16.520 I have friends who live in Los Angeles, in San Francisco. Look what happened to that high-tech

00:25:20.680 guru last night. I don't know if you saw the news. I'm sure he's worth at least a half billion dollars.

00:25:25.580 Oh, the man with the cash app who got stabbed.

00:25:29.820 Stabbed to death. He's dead. Two in the morning outside his luxury building in San Francisco.

00:25:34.820 Gone. And he must be worth a half billion dollars. 38, 39, 40 years old. He had the world

00:25:39.540 by the cojones. You talk about strong men. All of us could spend our whole lives, 0.98

00:25:44.500 it will never, ever, no matter how many lives we live, be worth a billion dollars at the age of 39.

00:25:49.720 He had the world by the tail and he's dead because he lived in a blue city that doesn't 1.00

00:25:55.740 believe in the police, that defunds the police. And there's no one there when you're in trouble

00:26:00.520 and a guy comes at you with a knife and there's homeless everywhere and drugs everywhere.

00:26:04.900 Liberal Democrat cities are rotting. They look like Hiroshima after the bomb dropped.

00:26:10.160 Now go to a red city or a red state. Looks fantastic. Go to any suburb where everyone's

00:26:15.620 Republican. It looks wonderful. There's no crime. Everyone's got guns in their house. Nobody ever

00:26:20.360 robs them. I live in a beautiful suburb of Las Vegas. It's as nice as anywhere you can live in

00:26:25.200 America. Now drive two miles to a bad neighborhood where everyone votes Democrat in the same city,

00:26:30.680 Las Vegas. You'd be putting your life in your hands walking at night in that neighborhood.

00:26:34.200 In my neighborhood, you're totally safe. So red Republican works and blue Democrat doesn't work.

00:26:40.900 It's a nightmare wherever it's been tried. Every country, every state, every county and every city

00:26:46.680 under Democrat rule becomes Mad Max every man for himself. It's happening every day in this country.

00:26:53.260 So all I'm trying to do is feed the conservative beast, not the liberal beast.

00:26:57.220 Can I interject for a sec? Yeah. So like Wayne and I see eye to eye on the law. And I think it's

00:27:06.140 important to draw a powerful distinction between people that are completely crazy and nuts, the ones 0.60

00:27:13.860 that I call the evil left, and those that are somewhat sane, like Wayne's friend, who lean left on 0.65

00:27:20.400 some issues, but they want police. They want to see capitalist economies survive. They don't want their

00:27:25.080 kids sexualized. I think those are the ones that I call the persuadables. Now, how do we persuade them?

00:27:31.640 I don't know how we persuade them, except by doing what Wayne is suggesting. First of all,

00:27:37.780 we wrote, before we wrote the Great Patriot Boycott book, this book, we wrote the Great Patriot Boycott

00:27:43.900 book. This was originally a list of 116 woke corporations, basically, that were doing things

00:27:50.920 that were antithetical to good order and to living good lives for their customer base, right?

00:27:57.260 There's plenty of parents who lean left, but aren't happy that Disney is promoting, you know, drag 1.00

00:28:03.620 shows for little kids as young as six years old, right? Those people are persuadable, right? And back in

00:28:10.980 the 60s and 70s, you know what they used to call conservatives? Liberals that have been mugged,

00:28:17.920 mugged by reality, mugged by somebody out there, you know, in the mean streets in New York. And I think

00:28:24.880 that the way that Joe Biden and many Democrats, not all Democrats, but many Democrats, including those

00:28:31.240 in Chicago, are acting, and the impact this is having on those kind of like traditional, soft,

00:28:38.820 low-information Democrats, many of those are being forced to move Republican. Look at Elon Musk.

00:28:45.820 10 years ago, Elon Musk was a Democrat, hardcore Democrat, gave money to Democrats, you know,

00:28:52.620 supported Democrats, voted for Democrats. Today, Elon Musk is basically a red state Republican.

00:28:59.380 Bill Maher, Bill Maher of HBO. I mean, that dude has got to be one of Obama's biggest supporters from

00:29:05.120 back in 2008 and 2012. He gave Obama a million freaking dollars. Right now, I'd be shocked if Bill

00:29:12.020 Maher voted for Joe Biden in the next election. And I think they're a microcosm of millions and

00:29:17.740 millions and millions of Americans are going to do that. But what Wayne said, which is true,

00:29:22.200 is you can start to do the hard work of persuading people. You can start to try to win elections. And

00:29:28.060 if we can secure our elections in America, that would really help go a long way toward us doing that.

00:29:32.820 But it can take time to have those things bear fruit. But you can immediately, today, decide not to spend

00:29:40.720 money on Disney, not to go to Disney World, not to cancel your Disney Plus subscription, to stop

00:29:46.980 buying Victoria's Secret products. And you could decide today to start spending your money with

00:29:53.440 companies like Order of Man, with companies like Emerson Knives, like Hobby Lobby, like the Trump

00:29:59.820 store. Chick-fil-A. In-N-Out Burger. Those actions will have an immediate impact, Ryan. And those

00:30:07.980 actions will send a message. One of the reasons we wrote this boycott book is because we believe

00:30:14.020 there's $4.5 trillion of consumer spending in America. If all we do is we shift 10% of that,

00:30:21.520 that's $450 billion from the woke corporations to patriotic companies, we will literally change

00:30:28.420 America. We'll be funding the cause of freedom and we'll be defunding the cause of tyranny.

00:30:35.060 And let me just jump in. Very short point I want to make. Today in North Carolina, a woman who is a 1.00

00:30:40.640 Democrat for her whole life, and it was the head of the state Senate, switched sides to Republican. 0.96

00:30:46.820 I saw that.

00:30:47.260 And her quote was, the Democrat Party that I knew is unrecognizable. And she said, the moment the

00:30:53.280 epiphany hit her is when she put something on her website about God and say a prayer, and then she

00:31:00.840 put an American flag, and she was viciously attacked that the American flag represents racism, and that

00:31:07.980 they think it's disgusting that she actually put hands in prayer. And she said, that's when I realized

00:31:14.300 I can't be a Democrat anymore. The world is changing. And I'm telling you, there's a division going on that

00:31:20.480 is almost imperceptible to the average person, but I'm seeing it. I see things before they happen.

00:31:27.000 And I'm telling you, we're headed for a massive divide in this country. It's happening every day.

00:31:32.160 You can't live with people who think the American flag is incompatible with greatness, and America

00:31:38.080 represents racism, and prayer is bad and evil. That's a real sickness. And that transgenderism is the 1.00

00:31:45.800 heart and soul of America. And it should be taught to kindergartners. If that's what they believe in, I don't

00:31:51.560 even want to talk to them anymore. I want to disengage from them. And as Nikki says, only go only talk to

00:31:58.360 people that are reasonable in the middle to maybe convert them to come over.

00:32:03.960 All right, guys, let me, let me just take a break from the conversation very quickly. I want to ask if you're

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00:33:19.320 slash battle ready. Again, that's orderofman.com slash battle ready. All right, guys, we're going to

00:33:26.380 get back to it with Nikki and Wayne. You can check out the battle ready program after the show. Let's get

00:33:30.860 back to the conversation. The reason that I like this idea and I'm really interested in this and

00:33:38.340 obviously want to explore it more is because now we're not just talking about not buying certain

00:33:42.060 products, which has always been the conversation. Well, just stop going to Disney, stop Netflix, stop

00:33:46.740 this, stop that. And people are only going to do that to a degree. What I like what you're doing with this

00:33:52.260 direction is now you're giving people intentionality behind what they do because people still want to be

00:33:59.640 entertained. People still want to drink beer. People still want their kids to be educated.

00:34:05.700 They want these things, but there hasn't really been any type of credible sources outside of what

00:34:13.000 already exists. So how do how do more organizations become competitive with these behemoth type

00:34:21.180 organizations that are conflicting with our best interests? Well, I mean, if we could build a total

00:34:27.200 parallel conservative economy and patriot economy, we wouldn't need any of the other companies. We

00:34:32.060 wouldn't need Silicon Valley Bank if we had a conservative bank. Unfortunately, we don't. But we

00:34:37.120 do have some conservative MAGA funds in this book, but we couldn't find a truly conservative bank. It's

00:34:42.940 probably out there. We'll have another edition, I'm sure. And there's a lot of companies that are

00:34:47.000 contacting us now that the book is out and saying, why did you include us? But if we could build a

00:34:51.900 totally parallel economy where we didn't need the other group anymore, we could teach them a lesson

00:34:57.300 and pretty soon, you know what the real lesson is? I actually don't want any company to be conservative

00:35:02.140 or liberal. I actually want them to just be companies that worry about the bottom line. Politics should

00:35:07.680 not be mentioned by a company. That's my biggest problem. Why would Silicon Valley Bank, instead of

00:35:13.860 be staring at the bottom line and making sure they create shareholder value and making sure they don't go out

00:35:19.300 of business, why would they have had a person in charge of risk management whose entire life was

00:35:25.060 planning marathons for LGBTQ and fighting for transgender rights and drag shows and climate

00:35:32.580 change and critical race theory, which is really what happened. And their board of directors was

00:35:38.240 dominated by Biden appointees, the Biden administration and the Obama administration.

00:35:44.040 That's who was on their board. Everyone's life is about the rainbow flag. No, that's your 0.97

00:35:48.780 private life. But in your personal, in your business life, just worry about the bottom line

00:35:54.380 and worry about creating a profitable company. And you know how you do that? You don't turn off the

00:35:59.340 left or the right. You do things that are neutral. So everybody does business with you. But why do you

00:36:05.040 not care about people on the right? That's my big issue. Why do you not think about offending the

00:36:10.520 people on the right? That's no big deal. Why? There's no consequence to it, really. I mean,

00:36:15.360 at the end of the day, you know, I think about with Budweiser, Anheuser-Busch, great example of

00:36:21.420 this with Dylan Mulvaney. You know, they had their intelligent people. That's a behemoth

00:36:28.400 organization. You have to imagine that they weighed the pros and cons of a decision like that and

00:36:33.400 decided that the downsides don't outweigh the positive media attention or spitting up that they'll

00:36:40.380 get, which, I mean, that's the only way I can see that. I can't see them evaluating it any other way

00:36:46.680 or not evaluating it at all. I imagine they ran that risk analysis and they found that it to be

00:36:52.860 favorable to do something like that. I put out a Twitter post just yesterday. You know what I said?

00:36:57.580 A lot of people thought it was very funny. I said, it's the first time I'm 61 years old and it's the

00:37:02.500 first time in my lifetime I've seen a beer commit suicide. It really is true. Budweiser is around

00:37:10.580 for what, a hundred years? They built a multi-billion dollar positive brand and overnight they destroyed

00:37:17.740 it with one reckless action that somehow they thought was no big deal. Making your spokesman a

00:37:23.560 guy who thinks he's a girl or is it a girl who thinks he's a guy? I'm so confused with these people.

00:37:28.260 I don't even know what they are. I just call them it. Was it a guy who's now a girl or a girl who's

00:37:33.860 now a guy? If you're so confused, you don't know if you have a penis or a vagina, you shouldn't be 1.00

00:37:38.540 giving advice to anyone about anything. You shouldn't be running the nuclear waste of the United States, 1.00

00:37:44.320 Sam Britton, who wound up being fired because he was stealing ladies' underwear from women's luggage.

00:37:50.800 You shouldn't be in charge of the healthcare of the United States. Rachel Levine is a guy wearing

00:37:56.240 dresses, high heels, and a wig who's number two in health and human services. This is the insanity 1.00

00:38:02.020 of some in the left. I'll go with Nikki. I'll bite on Nikki's comment and yours.

00:38:07.360 Some in the Democrat party, all the left are crazy. There's a distinction between Democrats, 0.94

00:38:15.640 liberal, and left because if you look at Democrats and they're liberal and they're not left,

00:38:20.020 they're not insane. If they're left, they're all insane. They're completely insane or they're 0.99

00:38:24.500 actually malevolent and evil because the plan, the playbook of the left has been to take down 0.98

00:38:31.480 America since 1917. In 1917, communism won over its first country in Russia, okay? And they realized

00:38:39.680 at the time that they wanted to take over the whole world. That was Vladimir Lenin's view,

00:38:44.500 but they couldn't do it because the main adversary, which is what they called the United States,

00:38:49.260 was standing in the way. So Lenin sent a fellow by the name of Willie Munzenberg, who was a German

00:38:55.540 communist, said, you go to the United States, use their very freedom against them and start to subvert

00:39:02.620 them from within. And they started to do that. They started to go and attack America's school system

00:39:07.900 and bring on people to slowly subvert that. They started to attack America's newspapers and media.

00:39:14.960 Hollywood. And slowly subvert that. And then Hollywood. This was the third one. And if you

00:39:19.340 look at the curriculum in a school in North Carolina from 1915, it's overtly patriotic. It's

00:39:25.660 overtly pro-American. From 2015, it's overtly anti-American. It's overtly unpatriotic, almost

00:39:32.880 Marxist. And right now, we've woken up almost too late to do something about it. But I don't think

00:39:39.400 it's quite too late as long as men and women of goodwill can stand up and take action. Yeah,

00:39:44.800 we got to win at the ballot box. Absolutely. Yes, we got to win on the culture front, which

00:39:50.160 is why podcasts like Order of Man are important, which is why Wayne's shows are important. My

00:39:54.540 shows are important. Folks like The Daily Wire that are creating conservative-themed movies,

00:39:59.340 those are important. But it's also important to hit them where it hurts. And that's their

00:40:04.040 pocketbook. That's their wallets. That's why we got to convince as many people as possible,

00:40:09.900 not just to, as you said, Ryan, take money away from spending it on Netflix and Disney and

00:40:14.680 Bed Bath & Beyond and those types of companies, but have an alternative, a place they can take

00:40:18.960 their money and spend it. Wayne's right. This only has 123 companies. I bet you there's 1,000,

00:40:25.100 10,000 pro-American companies in America. At some point, we'd like all of them to be in a database

00:40:30.480 where we've vetted them through this Patriot Scale. Can I just quickly show you what our Patriot Scale

00:40:35.420 is? Yeah, man, I'm interested. I'm interested in how you evaluate a company. Wayne, you were

00:40:41.200 talking about, look, I'll give you an example. I think this was last year sometime. I pulled into

00:40:46.760 a gas station and I got gas and I happened to pull in when it was, I don't know what it was,

00:40:52.060 LBGTQ Appreciation Month or whatever. I don't even know what it is anymore, but whatever it was.

00:40:57.640 And there was a rainbow flag on the gas pump. And I thought to myself, I don't care if my gas is gay 0.99

00:41:04.800 or straight. I just want it to be as cheap as possible for the value I'm looking for. To your

00:41:12.560 point earlier, I don't need to be bombarded with social messaging around what's going in my gas

00:41:18.160 tank. But I think the biggest thing and one of the biggest challenges with things like you're

00:41:23.260 talking about parallel economies is convenience, right? The only reason that people watch Netflix

00:41:29.040 is because, well, I just bought a new TV yesterday and I pulled it up. It's already downloaded on the

00:41:33.340 TV. Like I didn't even have to do anything. It's already there on the TV when I plugged it in.

00:41:36.960 Sure.

00:41:37.740 You know, and I think that's going to be the biggest issue also with the risk of social

00:41:44.220 ostracization, if that's a word, being ostracized.

00:41:47.940 Social ostracization, ostracism, ostracism. That's kind of like a, like a strategery. So

00:41:55.260 there's, there's my, there's my gaffe for the, for the afternoon.

00:42:00.140 Well, I just wanted to say, Nikki, before you give the freedom scale, I just want to mention

00:42:04.080 one thing, latest Rasmussen polls out and Biden is at 40%. If the election was held today and Trump's

00:42:11.220 at 47, that's a landslide. I mean, that's electoral massive landslide. And that's a popular

00:42:17.400 landslide in the United States. Seven point win. So the more that Democrats, or maybe as we're all

00:42:23.500 defining them, crazy, radical, extremist liberals do to arrest the Donald Trump on trumped up charges, 0.99

00:42:31.180 to demonize Donald Trump, to make all white people out to be evil, to make all men out to be terrible, 0.99

00:42:38.500 to make America's history evil, to convince your children that a boy should be a girl and a girl 0.99

00:42:45.800 should change to a boy. The more they do that, the more people are getting shocked and angry and

00:42:51.840 moving to the other side. I pretty much meet only Republican leaning people. Now I don't even meet

00:42:57.940 anyone who says, Oh, I love Joe Biden, or I hate Trump. I meet so many people who are middle-class

00:43:03.440 and blue collar, and they're all Republican red. Now they've all come over to our side, including

00:43:08.420 every Hispanic I meet in Las Vegas. And every male Hispanic is a raving Republican now, but yet I'm 0.97

00:43:15.200 scared to death, Ryan, that we're not going to ever win another election because the elections are

00:43:20.440 rigged and because they opened the border and let millions of foreigners in who could not care about 1.00

00:43:26.100 anything except welfare and food stamps. And the Democrats are the ones who let them in, and they're 0.57

00:43:30.300 the ones who will give them unlimited checks. So between the rigged elections in certain key states

00:43:35.000 and the open border, we could win 50 to 20, and it wouldn't matter if things are rigged. So I'm scared

00:43:42.060 to death that the America I know is never coming back, and we're never going to elect anyone again.

00:43:47.860 Maybe we got one shot left with Trump in 2024, but then after that, there will probably never be

00:43:53.300 another Republican president. So that's why I'm trying to quickly build a conservative parallel economy

00:43:58.860 to protect us if I'm right, and it's really that bad. And I think it's really that bad. Because last

00:44:05.480 night we lost the Supreme Court in Wisconsin. Another tragic result. Not just Chicago lost to a

00:44:10.960 communist, but a very radical liberal was elected as Supreme Court in Wisconsin, which means the

00:44:17.740 liberals have the edge. So you're probably never going to win Wisconsin again, because as they cheat

00:44:23.960 and they rig and they steal and they stuff the ballot box, your only choice is to bring it to your state

00:44:29.320 Supreme Court. And the state Supreme Court in Wisconsin is now against us for the first time.

00:44:34.520 So you're probably never going to win that state again. So it gets smaller and smaller window

00:44:38.660 to ever win another election and fight for what's right. It's very, very tough.

00:44:44.600 I think this goes to your point about the pocketbook, because if I understand correctly with

00:44:48.560 that race in Wisconsin, or is it a race or is it an appointed position? I think it was a race.

00:44:54.980 No, it's a race. It's a race.

00:44:55.440 Yeah. With regards to that, it seems like the liberal side, if I saw correctly, outspent the

00:45:03.620 conservative side, five to one. So it's a financially driven win. And I think that's

00:45:10.400 what you're talking about here. If I asked you, Ryan, right now, why do you think Democrats,

00:45:16.760 Democrat candidates have so much more money than Republican candidates? What would be your answer?

00:45:21.840 Well, I think it's powerful people that have money that want to maintain the power, want to control

00:45:28.480 the narrative and control the direction. And that's why they spend money on those individuals

00:45:33.120 who keep them in power.

00:45:34.680 Partially right. No question. Corporations back Democrats and billionaires back Democrats

00:45:39.540 because they want to be the only ones who are rich at the top. And that's communism, right?

00:45:43.880 Thin layer at the top is rich and they want everyone else to be serfs and like it and be happy.

00:45:49.620 But the real answer is because China is now funding American elections. As a matter of fact,

00:45:55.160 in Michigan, Whitmer is one of the most liberal, crazy, radical Democrats in America. And the governor 0.97

00:46:01.160 who just got reelected, Whitmer, it turns out now that she got, I think it was $100 million in

00:46:07.220 contributions from like 200,000 people who gave under $100. So you don't have to report who you are.

00:46:14.400 I'm telling you that money is coming from China. China is funding Democrats who,

00:46:19.620 then the minute they get in, pass law after law that weakens the United States,

00:46:24.760 kills our economy, and make sure that China will be the dominant country in the world. 1.00

00:46:29.160 But that politician, I guarantee you, has $100 million in a Cayman bank account.

00:46:34.780 Guarantee you, they're all on the take. The entire Democrat Party, including Joe Biden and

00:46:39.960 the White House, it's all owned by China's Communist Party. That's who's been inflicting 1.00

00:46:45.260 damage on America. That's who's the foreign interference. That's who owns American elections. 0.99

00:46:50.520 And I give an assist to the Mexican drug cartels who make billions a day. You don't think they're

00:46:56.320 giving 5% as a finder's fee to the Democrat Party to keep the border open? Why would any sane person

00:47:02.040 keep the border open and let fentanyl to come in and pedophilia to come in and sex traffickers to come

00:47:08.480 in and people who want welfare and criminals and murderers to come in? Why would you want that?

00:47:12.860 The Democrat Party loves it, it seems like. But do you think the conservative party is above that

00:47:20.800 same behavior? No, I don't. No, I think that's the whole problem with America. It's not conservatives.

00:47:26.920 Conservatives are above that. Republicans aren't. The party is full of rhino establishment types

00:47:33.200 who either are in on the fix or they are certainly getting some sort of a payment somewhere for making

00:47:40.800 sure that conservatives don't take office and kill the deep state in the D.C. swamp. And you can see

00:47:45.780 it best with FTX and Sam Bankman. What was his name? Sam Bankman. Freed, I think. Freed. Freed or Friedman.

00:47:52.100 He gave millions to the Democrat Party laundered in Ukraine. He gave millions. But he also gave millions

00:47:58.700 to Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy to defeat Trump candidates in the Republican primary.

00:48:05.180 And we just elected McCarthy to be the Speaker of our House. And we re-elected, what is her name,

00:48:12.620 Rona McDaniel to be the RNC head. She's horrible. As far as I'm concerned, she's completely paid off 1.00

00:48:18.960 by corporate interests to destroy the Republican Party. She hasn't said one word about Trump's arrest,

00:48:23.680 by the way. It's quite amazing. So all I can tell you is both sides are paid off by big corporate

00:48:29.160 interests, China and the Mexican drug cartel. Democrats, a lot worse to destroy America.

00:48:35.120 Republicans more like, hey, I want to get rich for my family. I'll get paid off by ExxonMobil.

00:48:40.500 Democrats by China. I'll take Republicans because I'd rather be paid off by ExxonMobil in China.

00:48:48.040 It's terrible. It's terrible. It's a horrible thing. It's a horrible thing. And unfortunately,

00:48:53.180 the influence of the Chinese Communist Party in North America is huge. It's real. They're doing 0.98

00:48:59.580 it in Canada, too. In Trudeau, there's a scandal going on where 11 Liberal MPs were found to have

00:49:08.560 been supported and financed by the Chinese Communist Party. One of them had to resign from the Liberal

00:49:15.760 Caucus, but not a seat in Parliament. So he's still sitting in Parliament. He's just not officially

00:49:20.420 a Liberal anymore. And that's taking place over here. And, you know, Wayne, I'm not as pessimistic

00:49:26.880 as you. I believe we still have a chance. I believe that God is a mighty God and God is mightier than

00:49:32.820 the communists and God is mightier than the evil people on the evil left. But I got to tell you,

00:49:39.600 we got to do our part. And I want to just get back to the Freedom Scale, Ryan, because I think the

00:49:44.060 Freedom Scale is powerful. We got up track a little bit there. I want to hear about this.

00:49:47.280 So the Freedom Scale, we've created this designation called the Free Corporation. Like

00:49:51.880 the B Corp, we got the Free Corp, OK? All right. And there's six categories that make up the Freedom

00:49:57.740 Scale. Number one is political involvement. Does a company stick to business or are they virtue

00:50:03.040 signaling and supporting leftist causes? So we score them on a one to five scale, like one being

00:50:08.060 their virtue signalers and cravenly caving to the woke mob. And five is they refuse to be bullied

00:50:13.600 and tell the woke mob to go to hell. Number two, it's political donations. To which political 0.94

00:50:18.180 candidates and causes do they donate, right? Do they donate to woke liberal and Marxist organizations

00:50:23.560 and candidates like BLM, Media Matters, the SELU, the Democrat Party, Planned Parenthood, or the

00:50:29.360 patriotic and conservative ones like the GOP, you know, the RNC, MAGA, the NRA, the National

00:50:34.920 Right to Life, you know, O'Keefe Media Group, the successor to Project Veritas. Again,

00:50:39.560 one to five scale. Number three, workplace culture. Is there a workplace culture, one that embraces

00:50:44.360 freedom or is it poisoned by political correctness? Do they promote freedom and free expression at work

00:50:51.140 or are some opinions more equal than others? Number four, marketing messaging. Are the marketing

00:50:56.700 messages of the company steeped in pro-USA and American exceptionalism rhetoric or are they heinously

00:51:01.780 woke and anti-human and pro-scarcity? Do they celebrate American freedom or do they denigrate

00:51:07.440 and crap all over liberty? Number five, hiring policies for employees and vendors. Does a company

00:51:12.640 hire the best man or woman for the job or do they engage in woke racism and favor anyone but

00:51:17.320 conservatives and straight white males, okay? Do they treat all employees and vendors as equals or do

00:51:22.820 they explicitly engage in harsh bigotry against conservatives and straight white males? And number

00:51:27.260 six, commitment to freedom in society. Does the company stand for American values or has it been

00:51:33.180 frightened into towing the world client, right? Basically, this is what we are talking about

00:51:38.460 here. These six categories make up the freedom scale. We ran all of these companies through this

00:51:44.280 and they're not all perfect. Let me tell you, there's some companies that have done things that

00:51:47.820 we absolutely don't agree with. But on balance, we found that the companies on this list were companies

00:51:53.460 that were more freedom oriented than they were non-freedom oriented. And we're sure that some of the

00:52:01.160 companies on this list may backtrack, right? But we're sure there's tons more that once they see

00:52:08.500 something like this exists are going to want to be a part of this. And there's tons more people

00:52:13.040 that are in business that want to see America and her promise continue to live beyond them.

00:52:19.740 They want to leave a legacy of American freedom. What was it that Ronald Reagan said? He said,

00:52:24.260 freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction, right? You can't pass it on to the

00:52:30.820 next generation in the bloodstream. It's got to be nurtured. It's got to be fought for.

00:52:35.560 Well, Wayne Root's going to update Reagan saying, freedom is never more than one year away from

00:52:39.840 extinction. 2024. It's definitely the timeframe has definitely sped up. You know, the other thing

00:52:47.440 about this that's powerful, there's a couple of things I hear here that I like is, number one,

00:52:54.160 I hate to say it, but it is the truth. You're taking out a lot of the work on the consumer end and

00:53:00.120 we're lazy. Let's just admit it. We're all lazy. We're all ignorant. We don't dive into the topics.

00:53:06.200 We don't do the research. We don't know what organizations we're supporting. We don't know

00:53:11.620 what political candidates stand for. I hate to say that it's truth. So that's important.

00:53:17.420 The other one is the concept of strength in numbers, because yeah, when you talk about backtracking,

00:53:22.680 I think the more accurate term would be caving because of the pressure that a company would

00:53:30.900 receive. You know, you think one thing, for example, I see is, and this is a growing trend

00:53:35.440 in specifically the NHL is that these NHL players don't want to be poster boys for LGBTQ agendas.

00:53:45.840 And so you have one bold, courageous soul. I don't care if you agree with him or not,

00:53:50.280 but he's bold and courageous. There's no doubt about that. Who says, no, I'm not going to do

00:53:54.380 that. And that starts to snowball. And now you're seeing more and more professional athletes say,

00:53:59.540 no, I actually, I'm not going to be a poster child for something. I don't agree with or believe in.

00:54:04.560 You know what I think is the poster child for what's happening in our society. And I thought of

00:54:08.060 it because your show is dedicated to men. And so, you know, I want to tell you a little personal

00:54:13.060 story. So I have four kids and they're all really smart kids. So my daughter got the top SAT scores in the

00:54:20.140 country and she won the national merit scholarship and she got accepted by 13 for 13 of the greatest

00:54:25.940 schools in America, Ivy league elite schools. And she's including the two she aimed at since she was

00:54:31.120 three years old, Harvard and Stanford. And she picked Harvard and she graduated top of her class,

00:54:37.000 Phi Beta Kappa. And now she's Dr. Dakota Root. Great story, right? Well, my son, who's the second

00:54:43.020 oldest, he got the same SAT scores as her, but he's 10 years younger than her. So 10 years later,

00:54:49.720 he got the same top SAT scores in the country. And he also won the national merit scholarship,

00:54:56.380 which is just the odds of two kids doing that are so difficult. He won it in the same family,

00:55:01.200 that's the same family, impossible, right? They both did possible. And he applied to like 12 colleges,

00:55:06.340 including some that weren't anywhere near Ivy league. And he got rejected by 11 out of 12.

00:55:12.380 Well, the only answer it could be is he's a white male and he's a white straight male. Cause I heard,

00:55:17.520 you know, my friends have kids at Columbia diversity, my old alma mater. And they have,

00:55:21.960 I have friends who have kids at a lot of elite schools. And they tell me almost all the students

00:55:26.840 are gay and trans. They look for gay trans students. So if you're black, a woman and lesbian, 0.98

00:55:33.540 you've hit the lottery. If you're, if you're white, straight male, you're not wanted anymore. 0.99

00:55:38.580 So I will point out, are there any white kids at Ivy league schools now? Yes. Do you know who they

00:55:43.120 are? They're rich legacy kids whose mommy and daddy devoted a hundred million dollars to a building,

00:55:48.980 but white middle-class kids and white lower-class boys have zero chance, no matter how smart they are

00:55:56.640 of getting a slot at one of America's top colleges because they're white and because their family

00:56:02.440 isn't rich and can't donate money for a building. And I just think that's a sin. I think it's

00:56:07.960 disgusting. I'm an SOB, a blue collar son of a butcher. I came from nothing and I got it to

00:56:14.320 Columbia university. I didn't get in cause I was poor and I didn't get in cause I was white or not

00:56:18.900 white. I got in cause I got the top SAT scores in the country and graduated valedictorian from my 0.58

00:56:24.340 high school. I deserve to get in. I didn't beg them to get in cause I had no money. So why should

00:56:29.440 someone get in because they're black, because they're gay, because they're trans, because they're 0.99

00:56:34.820 Latino and their grades don't even equal any of the Asian or white students that actually earned 0.99

00:56:40.360 getting in. That's what's wrong with America today. That's the direction we're going. And I just find

00:56:46.080 it offensive. I find it disgusting. I find it disgraceful. And most of all, I find it completely

00:56:51.960 racist. Our country has legalized the hatred of the white race, but anyone else you mentioned your

00:56:58.740 career's over. If God forbid you sound like you're anti-black or anti-gay or anti-anything, 0.94

00:57:03.740 your career's over, but you can legally say whatever you want about white people and call 0.98

00:57:08.980 them names and call them evil and block them from jobs and admissions to college. And nobody cares. 0.89

00:57:14.980 How was that fair when my family got here in 1920 and had nothing to do with slavery ever? I have

00:57:21.720 nothing to do with it. Why am I getting blamed for it? Yeah. Well, guys, I mean, these are interesting.

00:57:27.140 These are interesting concepts. And I enjoy having discussions about interesting concepts. And I'm

00:57:33.900 excited to see where this goes. I think you're right. I think there is a growing movement of people

00:57:39.220 and organizations that are interested in not being preached at about cultural issues and these

00:57:46.380 woke ideologies. And I hope this does grow. I hope to see it grow. I hope that you guys are able to

00:57:51.760 identify these organizations and we can help it be more convenient and more profitable and make sense

00:57:59.720 for our pocketbooks. It's an interesting idea and I'm excited to dig more into it. So I really

00:58:04.180 appreciate your guys' time. Tell us where to get the book and where to connect with both of you

00:58:07.880 to learn a little bit more. The book's available on Amazon, right? And it's available on Barnes & Noble

00:58:13.720 and other stores. So you can go there and grab it anywhere. And just go on. You can look up Wayne's

00:58:19.640 name or you can just go type in the Great Patriot Bicot book or you can look up my name. The book will

00:58:24.420 be available there. Okay. So that's the first step we want you to take. We don't want you to just buy

00:58:28.960 a copy of the book for yourself, though. Honestly, if you've got friends or family members that you know

00:58:34.340 think like you do or at least are among the persuadables and they're not crazy, get a copy for

00:58:40.220 them too. Let them know that someone's done the work to identify the companies that are the right

00:58:45.220 types of companies for you to do business with and hand it to them. And if you own a corporation

00:58:48.640 and you're not on the list and you think you should be, reach out to Wayne or myself.

00:58:53.540 Tell us why we should run you through the Freedom Scale. We'll definitely put you through the next

00:58:57.620 one. And Ryan, I want to just say this one thing. First of all, thanks for having us on the Order of

00:59:03.200 Man and allowing us to be on your platform and to speak to your audience. Because I know you've got

00:59:08.760 a huge platform and you take your responsibility to communicate with them with the right types of

00:59:14.540 guests and information very seriously. So we both really appreciate you doing this for us.

00:59:19.460 And secondly, if you're a man right now and what Wayne just said about what's happening to young

00:59:24.360 men, what's happening to straight and white men, although listen, I'm a brown man myself,

00:59:29.520 but if you don't like what's happening to men, you definitely need to become a part of the Order of

00:59:35.200 Man and you need to support what these guys are all about because they're doing good work.

00:59:38.980 And I got to say this, as someone who graduated from Georgetown University and someone who's got,

00:59:45.240 you know, graduated near the top of my class with a magna cum laude, my advice to young people,

00:59:50.900 brown, black, white, or Asian, is unless you want to get a professional degree to become a doctor,

00:59:56.100 a lawyer, or something like that, don't go to college and university. You're wasting your money.

01:00:00.960 Go find an alternative to it. Jordan Peterson's come up with one. There's other organizations

01:00:05.720 are coming up with one. Hell, maybe Wayne and I are going to put together a conservative

01:00:09.960 university that's going to allow folks that don't think, you know, that are being discriminated

01:00:16.780 against to have someplace to go because we need that. But do not give $250,000, $300,000 of your

01:00:23.480 money or go into debt to go to someplace that hates you and is going to try to make you feel like you're

01:00:28.680 lower than whale dung for being there. So that's the last thing I want to say. And thanks again for

01:00:33.400 helping us get the message out and help take back America. All we got to do, Wayne and I say,

01:00:37.960 is divert 10% of $4.5 trillion from woke companies to patriotic companies. We'll change America.

01:00:44.700 Let's make that happen. All right. Dwayne, how about you?

01:00:47.420 I'll jump in. I want to say something because we often say on every show I do, I did 12 interviews

01:00:51.680 today, and I'm always embarrassed almost to say, where do you get the book? You get it at Amazon.

01:00:56.520 We're number one in like 20 categories at Amazon. Number one bestseller. But Amazon is a woke liberal

01:01:03.980 company. Unfortunately, I'm a very realistic guy. They sell 90% of all the books online and they sell

01:01:11.220 every conservative book in America. I've written 16 books. They sell all 16 of my books. They've never

01:01:17.060 banned me. They've never censored me. And they allow us to be number one on the bestseller list.

01:01:21.560 We sold enough books last week. We should be on the New York Times bestseller list next week.

01:01:26.260 And I guarantee you, Nikki, we won't be because the New York Times won't allow conservatives on

01:01:30.380 the list. But Amazon does. So what I say to people is, yes, Amazon is woke. Yes, Amazon is liberal.

01:01:37.700 Yes, Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post, who owns Amazon. He's very liberal. He's very woke. He's very

01:01:43.000 pathetic. But what you should do is boycott all the other products at Amazon. Find the companies in our 0.99

01:01:50.400 book where you can buy the other products, but buy conservative books at Amazon. And when sales

01:01:56.020 are down by 1,000% at Amazon, but the sale of conservative books is up by 1,000%, they'll get

01:02:03.080 the very strong message, what's going on? I say Amazon because it's easy. You point, you click,

01:02:09.500 and you get the book in 24 hours. You'll be reading this book by tomorrow. So buy it anywhere you want.

01:02:15.180 I think Amazon makes the most sense. You'll have it tomorrow. That's why I wanted to give a little

01:02:20.180 explanation when Nikki said buy it on Amazon. The great Patriot Bicot book. And my website is

01:02:26.080 rootforamerica.com. You'll find both my TV shows, my national radio show, my podcast, my book, and my

01:02:33.360 newspaper columns that are nationally syndicated. All of them at Root for America. It's my command

01:02:38.160 central. You go there, you click on the TV show. And when I'm on, at the time I'm on every day,

01:02:43.740 it's automatically on. And if I'm not on, there's a library of all my shows from yesterday and the day

01:02:49.180 before and the day before. So rather than spend 10 minutes explaining where my shows are,

01:02:53.120 just go to rootforamerica.com. The great Patriot Bicot book. Ryan, it's an honor to be on your

01:02:59.800 podcast. Thank you for having us on. God bless you for everything you're doing for men. You are the

01:03:04.940 best. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Can I say one last thing, Ryan? One last thing, brother. So if

01:03:10.500 you're a business owner and you want to be on a future edition of this list and you have some ideas

01:03:16.220 that you want to bring forward about, hey, how we can help get more businesses on there,

01:03:21.120 I'm going to offer you this. You can get on my calendar, go to ecircleacademy.com forward slash

01:03:26.880 appointment. Tell me you listen to us on this show and say, you want to have a conversation. You own

01:03:32.300 a company. Let's talk about this and you, let's get you having a conversation with us so we can build

01:03:37.380 the next 123 companies on the list. That's it. Excellent. Thank you guys. Appreciate the work you're

01:03:42.520 doing. Um, like I said, excited to dig into this and see what we can do. Thanks guys.

01:03:46.800 Thanks Ryan. God bless. Bye-bye. Take care. Bye-bye.

01:03:50.540 All right, guys, there you go. My conversation with two very interesting and fascinating men,

01:03:54.720 Nikki Blue and Wayne Allen Root. Uh, again, I know this one's going to be polarizing and that's by

01:04:00.180 design. It's okay that things are polarizing. It's okay. We have difficult conversations. It's okay.

01:04:04.660 We talk about things that most people aren't willing to talk about for better or worse. We want to have

01:04:09.400 these conversations and we want to be a place that we can explore. Even if we don't entirely agree with

01:04:15.080 all of the things that we discuss, we want to explore the ideas so we can take the good and

01:04:20.340 separate the bad and apply what we can in our lives. So, uh, make sure you check out the book. I think

01:04:25.380 it's a fascinating idea. Uh, I I'm, I'm interested in the concept of this quote unquote bycott and, uh,

01:04:31.880 their freedom scale that evaluates these companies and, and really sticking it to organizations that

01:04:38.080 are, are, are actively working against the, the, the ideas and the values of many of their

01:04:43.800 consumers. So check out the book. Again, it's called the great Patriot bycott book and check

01:04:48.960 out what Nikki and Wayne are doing. Uh, and then also check out the battle ready program at

01:04:53.880 order man.com slash battle ready. And last thing, guys, just make sure if you're, if you're listening

01:04:57.820 to the show and you get value from it, take a screenshot real quick, tag me, tag Nikki, tag Wayne,

01:05:03.120 let people know what you're listening to. And that goes a long way in promoting and boosting

01:05:06.440 the visibility of the show. And of course the message that we spread. So that's it. We'll be

01:05:11.500 back tomorrow for our ask of anything until then go out there, take action, become the man you are

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Order of Man - April 11, 2023

NICKY BILLOU & WAYNE ALLYN ROOT ｜ The Case for Parallel Economies

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Order of Man - April 11, 2023

NICKY BILLOU &#x26; WAYNE ALLYN ROOT ｜ The Case for Parallel Economies

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NICKY BILLOU & WAYNE ALLYN ROOT ｜ The Case for Parallel Economies