Order of Man - PHIL ROBERTSON ｜ How to Become Uncanceled

00:00:00.000 Guys, we all know it's easy to be on edge these days with so much nonsense going on in the world

00:00:04.780 from political protests and government overreach, cancel culture, everyone being offended by

00:00:11.260 everything and a myriad of other issues that aren't really all that important in the grand

00:00:16.100 scheme of things. It's really hard to find a sense of peace that I think most of us would

00:00:20.420 really like to have in our lives. Today, I'm joined by a man that has seemed to not only find it,

00:00:25.560 but is so uniquely comfortable and sure of who he is that you can't help but be at a minimum

00:00:31.420 intrigued and fascinated about how he's done all of this. His name is Phil Robertson. You may know

00:00:37.260 him from Duck Dynasty. Today, we talk about the power of love, justice and mercy, also the power

00:00:43.440 of hope, finding confidence in who you are as a man, discovering the true nature of other people

00:00:49.260 and so much more. In fact, he even does some bird calling for me with his signature calls

00:00:54.880 and we also get into why Phil was canceled and how he's taking all of that in stride.

00:00:59.560 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your

00:01:04.740 own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily

00:01:10.700 deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you

00:01:18.220 will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:24.200 Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Brian Michler. I'm the host and the founder of

00:01:28.560 the Order of Man podcast and movement. Welcome here. Welcome back. We've got a lot of things to

00:01:33.860 do, guys. We've got a lot to accomplish, and I'm honored to be able to see that not only is the Order

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00:01:44.720 and it means that the message is resonating. It means that this idea of reclaiming and restoring

00:01:49.560 masculinity is spreading, and I want to thank you for that, whether you're just listening or

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00:01:58.820 or your coworkers or you're buying a copy of the book or you're in our iron council or you're coming

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00:02:08.600 this mission of reclaiming and restoring masculinity. Now, I've got a great conversation with the one and

00:02:13.580 only Phil Robertson today. I do want to mention something very, very quickly because we want to

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00:03:41.920 giveaway. All right, guys, with that said, let me introduce you to Phil. He is obviously

00:03:47.620 the founder of Duck Commander and star of A&E's Duck Dynasty. I know you got a lot of you guys

00:03:53.480 are familiar with him. He comes from very, very humble beginnings. And actually, if you knew

00:03:58.060 nothing else about him, you'd probably be surprised to learn about his success and the fact that

00:04:03.460 he's become a multimillionaire. In fact, he lives in the same home he and Miss Kay lived

00:04:08.180 in for over 40 years, I believe. He found Christ decades ago and has made it now his life's mission

00:04:15.300 to spread his message far and wide. He's also come over some heavy criticism for his perspective

00:04:23.880 around Christianity, homosexuality, transgenderism, and so much more. In fact, his hit show, Duck

00:04:30.260 Dynasty, was canceled in part due to his outspoken ideas on the subjects. He's also the author of his

00:04:35.680 latest book, Uncanceled, and he has refused, refused to take to the direction of society and culture

00:04:42.160 lying down. So I think, guys, you're really going to enjoy this one. Very different than past podcasts,

00:04:47.680 but still a conversation definitely worth having. Phil, glad to have you on the podcast. I've been

00:04:54.460 following you for a long time, so I've been looking forward to this conversation, that's for sure.

00:04:58.360 Hey, good to be here, man. What's your name?

00:05:01.540 I'm Ryan.

00:05:02.640 Ryan. All right, Ryan.

00:05:04.640 Yeah, like I said, I've been looking forward to this conversation because

00:05:09.100 from the outside looking in, you've always been somebody who seems to speak what's on his mind for

00:05:14.920 better or worse, but whether we agree or disagree, it's always nice to find a man who can stand by

00:05:20.380 his convictions.

00:05:21.940 Yep. Freedom of speech, freedom of choice.

00:05:25.240 Yeah, it seems to be a pretty rare trait, though, or maybe I should say it this way,

00:05:30.560 an increasing rarity in today's culture, somebody who can stand by what they say.

00:05:35.600 Not much has changed. Here's a reading, the Apostle Paul to the Roman Empire.

00:05:42.620 It's the days of the Roman Empire. God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged 0.99

00:05:51.020 natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way, the men also abandoned natural relations with

00:05:58.380 women, were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men and 0.75

00:06:05.100 received in themselves the due penalty of their perversion. And the kicker is, since they

00:06:12.540 did not, this is Romans 128, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of

00:06:21.080 God, he gave them over to a depraved mind to do what ought not to be done. And there's a long list

00:06:28.240 there. It's scary, Ryan. They become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity.

00:06:36.360 They're full of envy. They're full of envy, murder. Just think about 2,000 years later, we're seated here,

00:06:43.820 you and I. They are full of envy, murder. You're like, surely they wouldn't murder their own children

00:06:51.380 inside the mother's womb. What in the strife, deceit, malice? They're gossips, slanderers, 0.68

00:07:00.860 god-haters, insolent, arrogant, boastful. They invent ways of doing evil. They disobey their 1.00

00:07:09.160 parents. They're senseless in the days of the Roman Empire, faithless, heartless, and ruthless.

00:07:18.560 When you read texts like that and you fast forward and look around at our culture,

00:07:22.660 I said, maybe I can just give them a few thoughts. So Ryan, my motive for crying out loud is I'm already

00:07:36.380 a rich guy. This made me rich right here. Check this out. I could sound like birds as a young boy.

00:07:43.580 So I got all these little bird whistles. Listen to me. Teal. That's all he does. That's a little

00:07:54.640 drake. Wigeon. Pintail. All coming out of one device. Here's a wood duck. That's when he's flying.

00:08:12.040 When he's sitting here, he'll go. That's wood duck and mallard and gadwall. So I had a knack for

00:08:25.540 sounding like birds. The purpose of the book is to get people hopefully to love God and love their

00:08:36.520 neighbor. I just don't see the downside, Ryan. Love God. Love your neighbor. Would we be better

00:08:43.660 off for crying out loud? Well, I mean, that's a really good point. I tend to be spiritual and

00:08:48.540 religious as well. And let's just, for the sake of arguments, say that somebody isn't. I can't find

00:08:56.200 fault in what you just said, whether you're spiritual, religious, believe in God or not.

00:09:00.160 Loving your neighbor and being a good human being seems to be the answer, but it's something we

00:09:05.540 continue to forget. Like you just read in Romans from 2,000 years ago. It's something that we just

00:09:12.060 constantly forget. Why do you think that is?

00:09:14.140 Well, there's two forces at work. The forces of God, which are the perfect way to become

00:09:27.180 more perfect as a human being as we trust in him. But there's a problem here, and most people

00:09:34.580 either reject it outright or saying, oh, oh, don't tell me. You actually believe there's a devil.

00:09:42.280 Well, finally, Ephesians, the Apostle Paul, I'll answer most of your questions, 90% of them or more,

00:09:52.600 without opinion on my part, just Bible verses. It's either true or false. Be strong in the Lord

00:09:58.660 and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the

00:10:05.660 devil's schemes. You say, why do people do what they do? Why is it such a tough sell

00:10:11.420 just to love one another and love your God? Our struggle is not against flesh and blood,

00:10:18.260 but against the rulers, the authorities, and the powers of this dark world, and against the

00:10:26.300 spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. I only read that to remind your audience

00:10:35.340 that it's not a governmental fix. It's not a government fix. In other words, governments

00:10:43.080 can't remove your sin. Never count another one against you. Governments can't raise you from the

00:10:49.640 dead. So flawed men at best becomes the government officials. And your only hope is, man, I hope they

00:11:00.440 fear God, and I hope they love each other. But you look at the political world, right? And I'm

00:11:07.000 thinking, whew, man, I'm looking at it in these days, I'm thinking, what in the world are we doing?

00:11:16.980 Right.

00:11:17.760 So the founders had it right going in, you know, we hold these truths to be self-evident. All men

00:11:23.260 are created equal. They've endowed by their creator. Certain unigual rights, life, liberty, 0.85

00:11:29.600 pursuit of happiness. So I'm just one guy down here on planet Earth. The apostle Paul told the

00:11:38.160 Thessalonians, he said, make it your ambition to live a quiet life. He said, a quiet life, that'd be 0.98

00:11:47.640 cool. Mind your own business. Yeah. Work with your hands doing something that's good so your daily

00:11:56.580 life will win the respect of outsiders so that you won't be dependent on anybody.

00:12:05.520 That's where I, that's, that's me right there. That's the text I live by.

00:12:11.000 That's a, that's a powerful way to live. And it seems like, um, when you talk about politicians,

00:12:15.940 you know, I, I, I'll admit that I've had interest in that because I think there's some

00:12:21.620 good that can be done or some things that maybe we could swing the pendulum a bit, but it seems to

00:12:26.140 me to attract the worst kind of people, not the best kind of people.

00:12:30.940 It's a jungle out there, my man. I'm just looking at it. I'm thinking, boy,

00:12:35.380 with just change of leadership, uh, they all got on old Donald Trump. I talked to him three or four

00:12:43.660 times. You can better believe the first words out of my lips. I reached in my pocket and I got a little

00:12:50.920 note and I had some arrows drawn on a little piece of paper. I'm meeting possibly the future

00:12:58.080 president. He was running at the time. I wrote down on a little piece of paper, an arrow coming down

00:13:06.200 out of the heavens, God becoming flesh. When I explained it to him, it was just arrows. I said,

00:13:13.020 whatever happens, don't forget this, Trump. I said, you and I are the same age. And I said,

00:13:19.680 uh, let's see Jesus dying. There's the cross. Jesus died on for our sins. I said, you got any

00:13:25.700 sins, Trump? He said a lot of sins. I said, me too. I said, make sure you put your faith in Jesus. I

00:13:33.480 said, he was buried three days later. He said he was going to do this all throughout Matthew, Mark,

00:13:39.460 Luke and John. And they put him in the tomb. I said, like, like you and I are going, Trump. I said,

00:13:45.520 there's a six foot hole waiting on both of us, my man. I said, Jesus beat that for us. I said,

00:13:52.620 don't forget that when you're governing our nation. And he, and I said, have a nice day. I just shared

00:13:59.840 Jesus with him. And I said, I'm out of here. And he said, Hey, he said, can I have that piece of

00:14:05.700 paper? I said, you can. And I handed it to him. I talked to him a couple of times after that.

00:14:12.160 I always pointed him to Jesus. All I can say about Trump, he's pro-God. He didn't say, get that Bible

00:14:19.320 out. We tell him he about, no, he didn't say, you think I'm on food? No, he listened carefully.

00:14:25.860 Hmm. So I find him a little caustic, but I find a great mind in one Donald Trump. He's a little bit

00:14:34.840 caustic from time to time, but I pointed to Jesus. He listened and I went on my way. I met with him a

00:14:42.700 couple of times after that. I stayed with the message, pointing to Jesus, pointing to Jesus.

00:14:48.500 So I can't judge him or any other man. I just am a servant to preach the gospel.

00:14:54.860 So I move on down the road.

00:14:57.920 How do you, uh, when, when you talk about Trump with a great mind and, and, uh, his, his leadership,

00:15:03.900 how do you reconcile that with some of his behavior, even his admitted sins? I mean,

00:15:10.040 we all have sins definitely. Uh, but I think there's some people who have some real problem

00:15:14.820 with his behavior and attitude and have it, have a hard time reconciling that with, uh, his,

00:15:19.760 his policy decision-making process, for example.

00:15:22.600 At the end of the day, if he's pro God, pro gun, pro life, that's enough for me.

00:15:32.580 We're dealing with flawed men. If they just are pro God, pro gun, where we can, I'm a duck hunter

00:15:40.520 without a weapon. I'm out of luck. You say, so you're not going to shoot people with it.

00:15:46.140 You're going to shoot ducks with it. Yep. So he's pro gun and he's pro life. And I said, 0.98

00:15:51.920 you know what, in this current age, that's good enough for me. So I can get by it. I say that he

00:16:00.160 was caustically brilliant. He has a great mind. No doubt. He did more for our country than anybody

00:16:06.740 lately, but just compare him to the one we now have. Well, I think one of the things that yes,

00:16:15.620 and it, and it, and it has continued to get worse. And I think it will continue to get worse unless

00:16:19.820 we reverse courses. But I think one of the redeeming qualities of Trump, although he has

00:16:24.980 many flaws, like we all do, is that he fights, you know? And I think, I think that's, that's a

00:16:30.940 redeeming quality is that he's willing to fight. He's willing to stand up. And that's how you and I

00:16:34.940 started the conversation, standing by your word and your, what you believe. Yeah. Just view it like

00:16:39.380 this. You say, love is patient. We have to be patient when we introduce Jesus to someone who knows

00:16:48.660 nothing about him, which Trump, he didn't. So I'm explaining it to him. So you just got to remember,

00:16:55.280 we be patient and we wait and we, we won't change our behavior. Not Donald Trump, not me. For 28 years,

00:17:04.540 I was a rank heathen. I mean, a drunken, whoremongering heathen. You say, what's changed all that? 0.80

00:17:12.840 When we come to Jesus by faith and we baptize them in the river, when they come out of there, 0.99

00:17:19.460 they're given God's spirit. And this is what you'll begin to see. If they're faithful, love, joy,

00:17:28.480 peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Without the spirit of God,

00:17:41.200 you'll be like the other group. Here's the two groups, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,

00:17:47.600 goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such things, there is no law. You say, boy,

00:17:53.960 if we just patiently move forward and these, what, this was the fruit that came forth from us.

00:18:03.060 What a culture and what a great nation we would be. However, the acts of the sinful nature are obvious.

00:18:10.680 You say, what's the other group doing? While we are full of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,

00:18:16.700 what about the rest of them? Here they are. It's obvious, sexual immorality, always at the top of

00:18:25.700 the list and all the lists, impurity, debauchery, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy,

00:18:35.440 fits of rage. One of the reasons I've never purchased a cell phone is some people would show

00:18:44.360 me theirs and I'm like, I don't want to see that. So I'm a cell phone free zone.

00:18:52.420 Is that right? You don't have a cell phone?

00:18:54.180 Oh, I've never owned one. So a lot of people say, well, boy, you are behind the time. Are you redneck 0.92

00:18:59.560 idiot? You know, I said, look, all I'm asking y'all is I don't have a cell phone. What am I missing? 1.00

00:19:06.660 And they all kind of look at me and say, you know, Robinson, you asked a pretty good question.

00:19:12.120 You ain't missing much. I'm like, so get out of my face with that cell phone. Jealousy, fits of rage,

00:19:18.980 factions, dissensions, envy, drunkenness, orgies. I warn you, like I did before, those who live like 1.00

00:19:28.820 this will not inherit the kingdom of God. So there's a big difference in the behavior of a child

00:19:36.420 of God, male or female, and a child of the devil, male or female. And I can see it clearly from the

00:19:44.920 fruit. I just look at their fruit and say, what in the world ever happened to these United States

00:19:51.220 of America? I've been on the earth 75 years, so older than you, but I've seen this whole thing.

00:19:59.340 I went up there and one of the brothers was a historian, taught college history for 40 years.

00:20:07.180 I said, make a list for me there, Sammy. I said, make a list for me. And I will start with the oldest

00:20:14.820 empire you can find and come all the way through and list every one of them, all the way up to

00:20:21.240 United States of America, Russia, China, India, the ones we have now. I said, walk it all the way up.

00:20:29.540 And I want to know what happened to them. And this historian said, Phil, every one of them collapsed

00:20:38.660 leading into our empire we live in right now. You say, this thing is beginning to teeter and it scares

00:20:49.040 me. So I tried to write a book to get people to say, come to their senses and say, you know, we did

00:20:57.200 this love thing. That might be the way to go. I said, might be the way to go. I said, look at us.

00:21:03.180 I mean, holding someone's sin against them, Ryan, the sin they committed 200 years ago.

00:21:11.520 Well, it's the sin they didn't even commit.

00:21:14.720 But they didn't even commit. And you're like, what in the world? So look, you start reading these

00:21:21.760 Bible texts. Remember, all my answers are Bible verses. Love is patient. Love is kind.

00:21:30.520 Love does not envy. Love does not boast. Love is not proud. Love is not rude. Love is not self-seeking.

00:21:42.860 Love, listen to this one, is not easily angered. You're like, what about this one? Love keeps no

00:21:52.000 record of wrongs. You're like, somebody finds something you did wrong when you were 17 or when

00:22:01.820 you were 15 or when you were, and they try to destroy you. They came after me. Do you believe

00:22:09.300 sexual perversion is a sin? And I said, I was thinking to myself, what kind of question is that

00:22:16.200 for a magazine that's interviewing me? Right. So it was read 1 Corinthians chapter 6, 9, and 10,

00:22:24.240 don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, the idolaters, the adulterers, the male prostitutes, 0.67

00:22:31.220 the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the swindlers, the drunkards, the slanderers. They won't inherit 1.00

00:22:37.260 the kingdom of God. That's all I did with this dude. And they came after us and our business,

00:22:43.740 our duct hall business at all and sponsors. It cost us about 10 million. But I said, hey,

00:22:54.380 the Lord gives and he takes away. I said, let's just keep following the Lord Jesus and we'll see

00:23:00.260 what happens. So we got it all back. It wasn't like they destroyed me. But you just think about it,

00:23:07.080 a human being walking up to you saying, Ryan, do you believe? And they ask you about some sin and

00:23:11.960 you're like, well, let me read you a list. That's in one of these lists. It's all listed for us to

00:23:18.840 look and see. Right. So it's not like rocket science.

00:23:23.340 Well, and I also don't think that's a, I mean, that's not a genuine question because

00:23:27.140 they already know your answer to it. They're just trying to tee you up and set you up.

00:23:31.600 That's it. So that's how I got mailed. They said, you know, oh, they were happy jumping around

00:23:37.600 and A&E fired us. Finally, the big dogs from A&E show back up down to my house on the edge of the

00:23:44.440 riverbank. And they said, well, we didn't actually fire you, Mr. Robertson, but we want you to,

00:23:49.460 we put you on indefinite hiatus. I said, I know what I looked up hiatus, indefinite hiatus.

00:23:55.820 I said, that pretty well means you're not a part of the program anymore. Right. Right.

00:24:01.040 They all say, well, we want to get you back and we'll do it again. I said, OK. I said, by the way,

00:24:05.840 did y'all ever hear from me with any irate phone calls or all this stuff? They said, not a word.

00:24:13.600 I said, it doesn't bother me if you fire me. I don't care if you fire me off some TV show.

00:24:20.360 I said, it's life's worth way more than that. So I shared Jesus with them and they went on their

00:24:29.280 way and life is still good. So I, so I, everybody's going to be persecuted if they go around hollering

00:24:36.320 about Jesus Christ. I mean, you will be persecuted. He said, if they hated me, they'll hate you also.

00:24:43.720 Oh, for sure. Don't be surprised when they hate you. So I just carried on with it and said,

00:24:48.780 I don't hold it against them. We can always have a good out. There's one lawgiver and judge,

00:24:55.820 the one who can both save and destroy. Who are you to judge your neighbor? So I just

00:25:03.040 remembered that let God handle all the wrath and all the, all the judging business. He's in the,

00:25:10.840 now when he declares his wrath upon you and he judges you, you're going to find out who you are.

00:25:16.940 So I just back off from the judging. I said, look, I know this is going to shock y'all,

00:25:22.320 but the people who tried to cancel me, I actually love them.

00:25:25.820 I still love them. I'm still pointing them to Jesus. I'm still here. But as far as hate them,

00:25:32.620 you've heard it said by some, Jesus said to love your neighbor and hate your enemy.

00:25:38.460 He said, but I'm telling you, love your enemies and pray for the ones who persecute you.

00:25:45.040 That's the way I wrote. I just love them and say, y'all should listen to this. And you get out of me,

00:25:50.920 you know him. I'm like, Hey, just think about it. And I'm on down the road. Tell the next one.

00:25:57.760 So it's, it's, it's exciting, but it is, you are a persecuted mess for sure.

00:26:05.320 Well, and, and I, I think you obviously, you know, I think one of the tagline or part of your

00:26:09.820 tagline here was finding meaning and peace. And I think you can find peace in that because you let,

00:26:16.160 I've got the book right here, but you let all of that stuff slide. But my question is,

00:26:20.000 and I want to go back to the president thing because you had mentioned or alluded to our

00:26:24.780 current president Biden. And, you know, there, I don't know if judgment is the right word, but

00:26:30.440 you're, you're definitely critical of that. So how do you then say, you know, I let the judgment be

00:26:36.560 done over here, but also I'm going to be critical of what's going on here. And I don't think you're

00:26:41.120 wrong. I don't think that's bad. I think it's probably wise that we evaluate what our leaders

00:26:44.980 are doing, but how do you reconcile the two? Here's a good text.

00:26:50.000 Let no debt remain. This is why you pay taxes for the authorities or God's servants

00:26:57.600 who give their full time to governing. So give everyone what you owe him. If you owe, if you owe

00:27:05.920 taxes, pay taxes. If revenue, revenue. If respect, then respect. I respect all of them that in the

00:27:14.640 political arena. If honor, then honor. So you have these people and they're all flawed like all of us

00:27:23.280 are. But then this is said, let no debt remain outstanding except the continuing debt to love

00:27:32.740 one another. Now check this out. For he who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law.

00:27:41.540 All these, that's the reason when Jesus died, he canceled the written code. Now we're under

00:27:51.320 the law of love, joy, peace, faith, the spirit, the Holy Spirit. The commands, the commandments do not

00:28:01.380 commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not covet. And whatever other commandments there may be

00:28:09.360 are summed up in this one rule, love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to its neighbor.

00:28:21.140 You say, so here comes Jesus in flesh, never makes a mistake, never breaks the law. He wrote it.

00:28:31.400 He keeps it, comes down in flesh. He's one of us now. He's 100% human, 100% God. He dies on a cross

00:28:41.080 to get us out from under it and put us under a system of grace and mercy so that when we make a

00:28:49.180 mistake, we don't die anymore. All of us have sinned. The wages of sin is death. You say Jesus came down

00:28:57.680 and actually got rid of the law, put us under grace where there's provision for your sins. It's only

00:29:03.880 then when you'll start seeing that sinful life fade away. I'm 75. You say, when's the last time you said

00:29:13.540 a word of profanity? When's the last time, Phil, you slipped and you cursed? 40 years, maybe?

00:29:22.140 Hmm. Really? Yeah. That was just one little thing. But then the whoring around and all that. 0.99

00:29:30.780 Miss Kay stuck with me, you know, through thick and thin, you know, she said, I'm glad I waited you 0.71

00:29:36.140 out, but you were a rascal. But she loved me enough to stay with me. So then I started teaching my

00:29:43.000 children properly instead of that foolish, drunken he that I was. So if you say, well, Phil, 0.99

00:29:50.120 have you been a sinner? I'm like, Brian, I have been a pathetic sinner. Just to look at the Bible, 1.00

00:30:00.460 it made me feel better. When I looked at the apostle Paul, he was a murderer, a blasphemer, 0.99

00:30:07.400 a persecutor. And Jesus chose him to write most of the New Testament. I said, I feel better. I said, 0.63

00:30:16.560 I wasn't that bad. I said, I didn't go around birding people at all. So I looked at the apostle

00:30:21.980 Paul's conversion. I said, whoo. I said, boy, he cut his pen. I said, but I don't feel quite,

00:30:28.620 I wasn't that bad. But it's pretty, pretty interesting that God had someone like that

00:30:33.960 to write most of the New Testament. Don't tell me he's not a forgiving God.

00:30:38.960 Yeah, that's a good point. Did something specific happen in your life to change your ways? Or was it

00:30:45.460 over a period of time? Like, how did you come to this path that you're on now considering

00:30:49.120 where you came from for the first 28 years of your life?

00:30:52.840 It's kind of, probably was down to the last, when I was about 27, my younger sister told some preacher,

00:31:03.600 if you could convert my brother, he'd win thousands for Jesus. If you could convert him,

00:31:12.240 that's what he'll do. And he said, are you serious? She said, he'll convert thousands.

00:31:19.140 He, I know this. So I didn't know that what girl was a prophetess, but as it turned out,

00:31:25.380 she made the first connection. I owned a beer joint at the time. And she came in giving Bible 0.98

00:31:31.920 tracks and introduced me to this preacher. And I was mean to him and ran him off. But about a year

00:31:39.420 later, after I had run my woman off and my children off, I just thought, I'm like a dog chasing his

00:31:47.700 tail here, going around and around in an evil circle. I think I said, Miss Kay, get a hold of

00:31:53.860 that preacher. Let me talk to him again. When he asked me what the gospel was, I said, I guess gospel

00:32:01.180 music on the radio, maybe. I don't know. I didn't even know what, anything about Jesus. So I heard

00:32:08.880 the message. I obeyed it. And the rest is history, as they say. But it was the smartest move I have

00:32:14.600 ever made since I've been on planet earth. No doubt about it. What did your, what did your sister

00:32:21.400 see in you looking back at it now? She said you would convert thousands. She was right.

00:32:25.800 What did she see that maybe you didn't recognize? Yeah. When the, when the preacher saw me converting

00:32:32.880 people after I was converted, he told her, he said, how did you know that? She said, the Lord told me

00:32:41.360 that. Hmm. So you say you got in by the, I mean, it was a, just a one conversion story. But since that

00:32:53.360 time, her words have kind of haunted me because I thought I never dreamed I'd be running around

00:32:59.840 with a Bible in my hand, hollering about Jesus. It never, it never was in my mindset. I never thought

00:33:06.300 I would be there. But here I am. And my sister was right. They have been thousands, wrote to the Lord.

00:33:14.260 So by the way, Brian, they're still coming. They're still coming from all over the country,

00:33:21.880 from outside the country. They come down. They just keep coming down. And I said, well,

00:33:27.420 why did y'all come? And they said, we want to be saved. We want you to baptize us. And every week,

00:33:35.560 every week, every week, we meet in a place where it's about half African-Americans and about half

00:33:43.000 white people. Some of them are pretty rough around the edges. The homeless are there. 0.99

00:33:48.060 We have a big meal so they can have a meal on Sunday morning, come over with them people and

00:33:54.900 you'd have a good meal where it gets around. So the homeless come in when they're shacked up and not

00:34:00.740 married. A lot of them, we bring down to my yard on the riverbank and we marry them. I got, I sent

00:34:08.840 somebody up there and say, get up there and make sure I'm a licensed creature. 0.92

00:34:14.520 Yeah. Might want to get that covered.

00:34:16.740 You know, marry these people. I said, I'm marrying people. I need a little credentials here. I don't

00:34:21.260 even, I'm just some guy down on the riverbank. I'm not a seminary trained, whatever. So,

00:34:28.260 so it was pretty easy, about 30 bucks, give them about $30. Okay. You're a preacher now.

00:34:33.780 So. I think this is, that's one, I think this is probably part of the reason and part of your,

00:34:40.080 your appeal and influence is that, and this goes back to what you were saying about Paul,

00:34:45.480 is that you are an imperfect person. You acknowledge that, you recognize that. And I

00:34:49.680 think people relate with that because you're not trying to preach from the pulpit. You're down in

00:34:53.640 the trenches with the people. And I think people resonate with that.

00:34:56.360 Yeah. Yeah. They resonate with it. And another thing we, we help them with,

00:35:01.520 it's a great text in Romans 12. What we've done to Christianity in these United States, 0.88

00:35:11.200 we've kind of got it down to where if you report in to a structure on the side of the road

00:35:18.080 and you stay there for a couple of hours, sing a few songs and you walk out the door. Well,

00:35:25.300 tomorrow is Monday, then Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, before you're going

00:35:32.360 to come back. Well, that's all you're getting. How, what are you doing on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday?

00:35:39.860 It's a long time. You and I are carrying on this conversation, Ryan, but this ain't Sunday.

00:35:44.800 I mean, we're just sitting here carrying on a conversation. You say, so y'all basically

00:35:49.660 are sharing Jesus with your fellow man right now until they get in their head.

00:35:58.000 I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices,

00:36:07.340 holy and pleasing to God. That's all the time, which is your spiritual

00:36:14.320 worship. You're like, you worship Jesus everywhere you are. You have an impact on the culture around

00:36:22.180 you. You reach out to people. You do it in public. We're right now, you say that this is a public

00:36:28.820 preaching time. You say, we're actually talking about God here. Yeah. Don't conform any longer to

00:36:36.980 the pattern of this world. Well, you look around and say, I'm a stranger here. I'm not participating in

00:36:46.760 all this filth. I'm not doing it. Be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you'll be able

00:36:53.720 to test and approve what God's will is. He goes on to say, guess what? Love must be sincere.

00:37:01.040 You're like, better learn how to live your fellow man. Forgive them no matter what they do. Just love

00:37:07.620 them and forgive them. Cling to what is good. Hate what's evil, not who's evil.

00:37:16.200 That's a good distinction. I mean, ripping babies out of wounds and immorality and drunken.

00:37:21.180 We go to the prisons. We go to the halfway houses. You say, you're there to try to help the people

00:37:29.680 that are on drugs. You're trying to help. Miss Kay works with the women. I work with the men. And we're 0.69

00:37:35.160 trying to get them to turn because the halfway houses and the prisons can't save them. Only Jesus. So we 1.00

00:37:43.480 we just try to cut through all that. And the ones who make it, we say, whew, finally, that girl finally

00:37:52.000 wised up, you know, and just quit being immoral and selling her body. So it's just one all the time. 1.00

00:37:59.060 We're dealing with this one, that one, the other one, you know, you get used to it. And

00:38:02.880 it's the least we can do to reach out to our fellow man while we're here.

00:38:09.040 Man, let me hit the pause button on that conversation very quickly. And then I want

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00:39:13.960 council. Again, order a man.com slash iron council. All right, guys, let's get back to it with Mr. Phil

00:39:19.900 Robertson. What do you, what do you say to, to non-believers when you begin this? Because, you know,

00:39:26.960 I said it earlier, I'm, I'm a believer. A lot of people are listening are, and some aren't. And so what

00:39:31.640 you're doing is you're, as you quote the Bible is you're appealing to an authority that other people

00:39:36.200 may not honor or recognize. And how do you begin to have that conversation when there's such a barrier,

00:39:45.220 a disconnect between the authority that you're, you're representing and whether or not they believe

00:39:50.300 that? I would first tell them, I said, uh, you have a, if they're at my house, I will reach over

00:39:59.440 and grab a calendar. And I said, this calendar says it's 2022 years from something. I'm looking at the

00:40:10.760 date here. It says 2022. I said, 2022 years from what? From who? And they're like, what? And I said,

00:40:24.200 I said, this is the counting time by Jesus of Galilee. The world is counting time by,

00:40:32.220 I told old Dan, the eunuch, I said, Dan, I said, who's that woman that knows everything on the cell

00:40:38.600 phone? And he said, Alexa, I said, I want you to give her a call and ask her what year it is in

00:40:46.080 China. So he calls Alexa up and he said, what year is it in China, Alexa? She said, 2022. I said,

00:40:56.540 well, the Chinese are counting time by Jesus too. I said, well, what about Russia? Ask her about

00:41:02.440 Russia? Uh, Alexa, uh, Alexa, what year is it in Russia? She said, 2022. So we checked red. What's,

00:41:11.560 what's a North Korea. We tried them. They even count time by Jesus. I said, why don't we start there? 1.00

00:41:20.160 And we say, uh, let's see, that's 2022 years since Jesus got here. What are all the years called

00:41:28.840 before he got here? Well, they're called all the years before he got here, BC. So you get to looking

00:41:37.220 at it. You're like, if we're counting time by this one individual who ever lived, I said, they're never

00:41:43.700 going to count time by me or you. I said, but if we're counting time by Jesus Christ, I said, I would

00:41:51.980 at least investigate him. I mean, time is predicated on him. So they start there and they say, I've never

00:42:00.080 thought about that. I said, I have. I said, why are we counting time by somebody who is a myth, like they

00:42:07.020 say, and who didn't exist? Our calendar tells us he was there. So that's why I start with someone who

00:42:16.020 said, I don't believe. I start there. And I said, listen, let me just tell you something. Unless

00:42:22.680 this is true, unless Jesus is real and he was who he said he was, and he died, was buried and raised

00:42:31.280 from the dead, removed our sin and guaranteed us we can live beyond the grave. I said, if that's not true,

00:42:39.620 we're never going to get out of here. By what means do we have to get out of here? Maybe the

00:42:48.760 medical profession, no, no, they're not going to be able to remove our sin and raise us from the

00:42:54.420 death. That's out. I said, my view is we got one shot at this, Jesus of Galilee. If he was who he said

00:43:03.080 he was, there's a way to eternal life. I'd like to be on the train when the train leaves. If it's not

00:43:12.620 true, I'll be dead all over and I won't have to worry about it at all. I'm just dead and I'm gone. But if

00:43:19.380 it's true, there's life beyond the grave. So to tell you the truth, man, I'm pretty fired up about it. Just the

00:43:28.980 hope, the hope of it all. When God made it happen, where's that text? I love this one. This is a

00:43:37.280 pretty good, check this out. I'll find in a little bit. Let's see. Because God wanted to make the

00:43:47.320 unchanging nature of his purpose very clear. Let me get what Speck's on. When he wanted to make it very

00:43:57.520 clear, God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was

00:44:06.060 promised. He promised us eternal life. He confirmed it with an oath. He said, I'm going to do this.

00:44:13.460 I'm going to get you all planet earth alive. I'm going to remove your sin and I'm going to raise you

00:44:17.860 from the dead. And watch. God confirmed it with an oath. Now, when God starts saying, I'm going to do

00:44:26.600 this with an oath. By God, I'm going to do it. And I am God. And he said, God did this so that by two

00:44:35.780 unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie. He's saying, I promise you human beings,

00:44:45.440 I will give you eternal life. And I swear by it. And there's no one bigger to swear by than me.

00:44:51.680 So I'm swearing by myself. I'm going to save you. And I'm not lying. So watch how this ends.

00:45:01.780 God did this so that by two unchangeable things, he made a promise and he can't lie,

00:45:07.720 in which it is impossible for God to lie. We who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us,

00:45:14.920 that's me. I fled to take hold of what was offered. I'm looking at it saying, good night,

00:45:23.880 immortality may be greatly encouraged. It encourages me. We have this hope,

00:45:31.940 immortality, as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. You're like, good grief.

00:45:39.820 The God of heaven that said, I swear, when I tell you I'll save you, I'm going to do it.

00:45:47.540 And I can't lie. When I read that, I said, I'll never desert God ever. I'm in, I'm in till they put

00:45:56.700 me in the ground. I'll go to my grave saying, I know he's there and I know he's going to raise me

00:46:02.680 from the dead. By the way, your soul and spirit will be alive. That never dies. So just because

00:46:11.480 you separate from your body for a short time, it's no big deal. What's this one? It's better if I

00:46:18.720 like that, let the almighty speak. Check this out, Ryan. This one here, I'm going to jump it up and

00:46:24.680 down about it. Let's see. Where is it? Here we go. What's this? Brothers, we don't want you to be

00:46:33.700 ignorant about those who fall asleep. They die. Or to grieve like the rest of men who have no hope.

00:46:44.780 Most funerals, there's tears. Sure, of course. And they say things like, we lost him. He passed away.

00:46:53.320 You're like, not if you're a Christian. We didn't lose him. He's still here. Watch. We don't want you 0.80

00:47:00.440 to be ignorant about those who fall asleep. Or to grieve like the rest of men who have no hope.

00:47:05.840 That's why they're crying. Just think of a person that does not understand the resurrection of Jesus

00:47:13.020 Christ and us being resurrected. Man, what a loss. They don't know. We believe that Jesus died and rose

00:47:19.900 again. Well, there's the gospel. And so we believe, what's this? That God will bring with Jesus

00:47:28.280 those who have fallen asleep in him. You say, God's going to bring with Jesus. Well, I know their bodies

00:47:36.420 are in the cemetery, but he's bringing them with him, the soul, their soul. He's coming after those

00:47:44.080 bodies. He's going to resurrect and give them a glorified body, not a body like this one. I'm 75.

00:47:50.680 I'm wearing out, Ryan. According to the Lord's own word. You don't want that same body, huh? You want

00:47:55.360 something different? We tell you that we who are still alive, what if you haven't died? What if you're

00:48:01.080 alive when it happens? Well, who are left to the coming of the Lord, we certainly will not precede those

00:48:07.500 who have fallen asleep. You say, he's bringing those souls and spirits with him, and he's going to

00:48:13.180 resurrect them first before he changes our bodies. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven,

00:48:20.880 loud command, voice of the archangel, and the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will

00:48:28.660 rise first. You say, bodily resurrection. You say, good night. If all we'll be doing, if we're alive when

00:48:36.980 it happens, if it happens in the next 10 minutes, we'll look up, and I'm going to say, Ryan, I'm looking at

00:48:42.260 you, dude, but look at all these graves. The graves are coming up out of the way, going way back all

00:48:48.580 the way to Abraham, coming out of the ground. After that, after the dead in Christ rise first, we who

00:48:57.100 are still alive and are left would be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,

00:49:02.340 and so we'll be with the Lord forever. Then he says this, therefore, encourage each other with

00:49:09.460 these words. Resurrection, man. Hey, I've never read a story that offered me my body being raised

00:49:19.300 from the dead, but the one right here, and that's why I'm not budging. Why do you think that this is,

00:49:26.780 your belief in what you're sharing now and the gospel and the words are such a threat to people?

00:49:34.460 Because I imagine, you know, when you were quote unquote canceled, I imagine it has to do with some

00:49:39.660 of these belief systems, right? I mean, that's what they attack. What is so threatening about what

00:49:44.920 you're sharing to these individuals? Because Satan is crushed by all this. He lost. He eats.

00:49:55.960 Jesus has got it. A while ago when I read you that text about our struggle is not against flesh and

00:50:06.020 blood. It goes on to sow, therefore, put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes,

00:50:17.160 and it does a lot, you may be able to stand your ground. And after you've done everything, to stand,

00:50:26.740 don't budge when you see them come after you. And Satan's not taking this lying down. He hates the Lord.

00:50:35.300 He hates what he's done. The Bible says if he had known, Paul to the Corinthians, if he had known that

00:50:42.620 by murdering him, he would save the world, he wouldn't have had him crucified. He slicked Satan 0.62

00:50:50.580 on this deal. Stand firm, and after you've done everything, to stand. Stand firm, then, with the

00:50:56.940 belt of truth buckled around your waist. Look, Jesus said, you'll know the truth, and the truth will set you

00:51:04.060 free. You say, set me free from what? From Satan. From sin. Set you free from guilt. Set you free from

00:51:16.240 law, having to be perfect. You're in the grace. And set you free from the grave. You say, man,

00:51:23.420 when the truth sets you free, that sets you free from a lot. You're like, Satan, sin, guilt, law,

00:51:32.140 the grave itself sets you free. Belt, put the belt of truth around your waist with the breastplate of 0.81

00:51:39.700 righteousness in place. Your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.

00:51:46.060 You say, you are ready to rumble and tell people about Jesus. In addition to all this, take up the

00:51:52.800 shield of faith, which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet

00:51:59.260 of salvation and the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God. Take that with you and pray

00:52:09.000 on all occasions with prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert. Always keep on praying for

00:52:16.960 all the saints. So you begin to read these Bible verses, Brian, and they sure make you feel a lot

00:52:24.040 better. Sure. That's what you need to tell the young people who are wrestling with all this and that

00:52:29.120 another. Just tell them, look, just get on the right path. Look, this is scary, but hey, sometimes you

00:52:39.300 have to be afraid. Enter through the narrow gate. Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to

00:52:46.560 destruction. And many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life.

00:52:56.420 Only a few find it. So to the world of 7.2 billion, we try to get the gospel to as many as we can so that

00:53:09.020 few will be a few more, if you understand what I'm saying.

00:53:14.400 I do. Well, you know, when you're talking about free, you know, you talk about free from the grave

00:53:19.480 as probably being the biggest blessing out of those things. But I think also there's so many

00:53:25.460 temporal freedoms that come from what you're talking about as well. There's a lot of men who

00:53:30.440 are struggling with addiction and alcoholism and drug abuse and pornography, debt up to their

00:53:37.680 eyeballs. They aren't able to engage with their families and their communities and love their wife

00:53:43.080 because they're worried about their creditors. And I mean, talk about the freedom of just living this

00:53:48.660 kind of life when it comes to temporal problems as well.

00:53:52.480 Yeah. I've often said to everybody I study with, I always remind them, I said, the rarest commodity

00:54:00.920 that I have found while I've been on planet Earth, rare to find it, peace of mind, peace of mind.

00:54:11.920 Well, in this case, Jesus is our peace. It's fruit that comes forth from us. Love, joy, peace, patience.

00:54:22.920 So we go around, we're peacemakers. We get people where they're not against God and he's going to

00:54:32.140 judge them. They come to God and they put their faith in Jesus. Look, it's not rocket science. Just

00:54:39.240 put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ. Believe it. Say, by faith, I'm accepting it. The Spirit,

00:54:51.180 the Spirit is given to you when you, by faith, repent of your sins. Say, Lord, I'm a terrible sinner.

00:55:00.140 He said, I know it. I've removed them all. They died of sin when they were baptized and buried with

00:55:06.700 them through baptism. And then they come up from the grave, a watery grave. They come up by that grave.

00:55:14.380 God seals the deal with his Spirit. That's why it's called born of water and the Spirit.

00:55:21.360 So from the initial, see if this sounds like what we've discussed in the last 45 minutes.

00:55:30.060 Men of Israel, listen to this. Jesus has just left. They were looking intently into the sky as he was

00:55:37.900 going. Suddenly two men appeared, angels. They said, why do you stand there looking into the sky?

00:55:44.340 This same Jesus would have been taken from you into heaven. He'll come back the same way you've seen 0.99

00:55:48.780 him go. That's where it starts. A short time later, all the Jews, many of them, the ones that murdered him. 1.00

00:55:56.020 Men of Israel, listen to this. This is my message because of what Peter is saying.

00:56:02.940 Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs. He did all these

00:56:08.340 miracles. That ought to do it. Which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. Y'all were

00:56:15.020 following him around watching all these miracles. Come on. This man was handed over to you by God's set

00:56:21.700 purpose and foreknowledge. And you, Jews, with the help of wicked men, the Roman Empire, put him to death by 1.00

00:56:31.540 nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death. And here's 0.87

00:56:39.020 what I like for me and you, Ryan, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

00:56:46.780 He talks a little bit. And when they are, therefore let all Israel be assured of this. This is the end 0.98

00:56:55.080 of his sermon. God's made this Jesus whom you crucified. A lot of you would say crucify him. Get

00:57:00.720 rid of him. As made him both Lord and Christ Messiah. When the people heard this, they were cut to the

00:57:09.960 heart. And this is what I hope for every time I study with somebody, including your listeners.

00:57:16.980 They were cut to the heart and they said to Peter and the other apostles, by the way, Peter was a

00:57:22.820 commercial fisherman like me for about 10 years before the duck calls was off. Brothers, what shall we do?

00:57:30.660 They've asked a simple question. We're cut to the heart. What do we need to do? Peter replied,

00:57:36.400 God, repent and be baptized, every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be 0.98

00:57:43.340 forgiven. And God will give you the Holy Spirit, the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you,

00:57:52.040 your children, and for all who are far off. That was us 2,000 years later. With many other words,

00:57:59.400 he warned them. I do it all the time. He pleaded with them. I do it all the time. Save yourselves from

00:58:06.100 this corrupt generation. Get out of there. Those who accepted his message were baptized, 0.97

00:58:12.620 and about 3,000 were added to their number that day. And Ryan, fast forward 2,000 years, you say,

00:58:21.780 the ones you've converted, it's turned into thousands. Just like Peter, ordinary, unschooled man. I got a

00:58:29.980 couple of college degrees, but I never used them for anything. You didn't hit me with a duck call 0.99

00:58:34.980 or catching fish. That's for sure. So I just went to go to the woods route. Bradshaw was,

00:58:41.500 Terry Bradshaw played for Pittsburgh. He was my understudy, second stringer. So I sat down with him

00:58:50.080 one day in the locker. I said, listen, I'm out of here. I'm quick. I'm going to the woods, Bradshaw.

00:58:56.060 Well, I'm going to hunt and fish, and I'm going to have a lifestyle that does not involve running for

00:59:04.440 your life from large, mean men. I said, you can play pro ball. Go get at you. I'm going to be down to

00:59:12.580 fish in the river and duck hunting. He said, you've got to be kidding. I said, I'm not kidding. I'm

00:59:17.480 quitting. I move out. I'm first string. You're second string. You move up. Well, 40 years later,

00:59:23.740 somebody grabbed me in the airport and looked around. It was old Bradshaw. I said, Bradshaw,

00:59:28.480 you did well. He said, you did too. Yeah, that's right. Did you got any ailments from the licks?

00:59:35.560 He said, it's a long list. They broke this. They broke that. He went through all that. I said,

00:59:42.500 I think I got the best deal. I'm just saying. Of course, we all had a big latch, you know,

00:59:47.560 but he's a good guy. When that took place, where did that foresight come from? Because a lot of

00:59:55.540 people probably said, you're crazy. You're nuts. What are you doing? You completely do this 180. 1.00

01:00:01.120 What made you go that route? I'm not sure, Brad. I'm not sure. Maybe it was God urging me. I had no

01:00:10.640 idea at that time that I'd be sharing Jesus with people. I didn't have idea that the duck calls

01:00:17.180 would go ballistic. You see what I'm saying? How could you know? Yeah. I just live that out in the

01:00:23.420 woods, away from everybody. You know, like we mentioned earlier, I just lived out in the woods.

01:00:29.420 I started out fishing. I told Miss Kay, I said, look, for a few years, all the money that comes in

01:00:36.180 are beef and fish that I catch, catfish and buffalo and drum out in the river. I said, we're not going

01:00:41.940 to make a whole lot of money. As it turned out, I made about $225,000, $250,000 a week, $1,000 a month.

01:00:50.060 That's how we live. But the duck called first year, $8,000 in sales when I started building them.

01:00:57.560 Then the second year was like $13,000 in sales, which ain't much. You know, it's not even up to.

01:01:03.720 And then it was like $22,000, then it was like $38,000, then $60,000. Well, it ended up,

01:01:11.020 you know, seven or eight years ago, they called me up there to sign my one millionth duck call that

01:01:18.280 we sold. Oh, is that right? Oh, so if we weren't making the three bucks duck call, if it was something,

01:01:25.500 but you sell a million, they've done pretty well. You see what I'm saying? Yes.

01:01:29.660 It freed me a multi-million. I know, I know you already knew that looking at me, but it's a dead

01:01:36.440 giveaway. Obviously, anybody would jump right to that conclusion. You can't make that stuff up,

01:01:41.460 man. You say, how in the world did an old guy like that, some redneck down in the riverbank, 1.00

01:01:46.880 become a multi-million shooting ducks? Well, you got the story now. I'm just saying.

01:01:52.780 When you left football and you made this pivot, were you all in or was there hesitancy? Like,

01:02:02.560 were there a lot of like sleepless nights trying to figure out, like, am I really going to do this?

01:02:06.400 Or were you like, no, I'm committed. I'm done. I'm going.

01:02:09.040 All in.

01:02:10.220 Wow.

01:02:11.320 Never looked back. I never thought for a minute it wouldn't work. We started filming ourselves,

01:02:18.400 shoot these ducks. We started making DVDs. First, it was like the old tape, way back,

01:02:25.320 you know, cassette tapes. But then they come out with the disc. We started turning out DVDs,

01:02:32.740 DVDs showing us duck hunt. So, and then A&E watches some of that out in Los Angeles, California,

01:02:41.280 and says, wait a minute here. This bunch, we can make a reality show with this bunch. 0.66

01:02:46.340 So, they seem to be Bible thumpers, but, you know, wetnecks. So, they came and pitched the show to us. 1.00

01:02:52.400 We did that. Well, and the rest is history.

01:02:56.320 How was that? How was that initial experience? You know, you're, you're living your life pretty

01:03:00.800 authentically, you know, and I imagine they come in and based on what I see, I imagine you try to

01:03:07.100 keep it as authentic as possible, but I imagine they wanted to tweak some things and change some

01:03:11.360 things and make it, you know, more dramatized and all this kind of stuff. How do you deal with that?

01:03:15.620 They came to me one day and they said, we no longer want you to pray in Jesus' name at the

01:03:25.460 supper scene. I said, so you don't want me to pray to God the Father and Jesus the Son. Thank you

01:03:33.360 for this meal. I said, so that's, you're outlawing me saying that. And they said, that's correct. I said,

01:03:40.120 we're out of here. If you're going to be, if you're going to come up with that, we're out of here.

01:03:44.840 Forget the show. I said, I'm not going to do that at all, ever, with y'all or without you. Well,

01:03:50.920 you know, it sent a shiver down their back. So, they all got together and they came to me and they

01:03:55.380 said, we just don't want to hurt any of the Muslims feelings. And that's why we told you that you 0.98

01:04:02.240 shouldn't pray in Jesus. I said, I'm not worried about whether they're offended or not. I said,

01:04:08.580 we'll tell them about Jesus. I said, but look. So, they said, well, you can go ahead and do it.

01:04:13.500 Well, the first supper scene we had, they said, well, time for the prayer. They filmed that on

01:04:18.220 every episode. So, when I bowed my head, I said, Lord, I said, I pray for these people who are filming

01:04:24.300 this, that you would give them time to repent before you burn their souls in hell. And I pray

01:04:31.180 this in the name of Jesus. Amen. Oh, man.

01:04:35.360 I just, I just gave them one last little lick there, you know, but we kept praying in the name

01:04:46.040 of Jesus. Thank you for the food. So, but it's that kind of stuff you run into out there in this

01:04:52.580 world. You don't want to get too tangled up in the world because they'll come up with some nonsense

01:04:56.980 like that, you know. It's a free country. Well, you know, I imagine it's got you into some trouble

01:05:03.100 here and there, but I imagine also the benefits and the blessings that come from standing by your

01:05:07.560 convictions have far outweighed the challenges and adversity you've had to deal with.

01:05:12.820 Yep. You just don't want to ever back up, back off, or back down. Just don't do it.

01:05:18.360 Just go straight ahead. Tell them about Jesus, love them, and move on. The ones who hate you,

01:05:24.180 okay, you know, we should change your mind. So, we love all men. We try to get Jesus to them,

01:05:30.940 and we're going about a business. If you saw how I lived down here, you'd be amazed on how simple

01:05:36.120 it is. I mean, you'd think if somebody, you know, has done as well as I have, they'd be buying all of

01:05:41.540 this and other big, big, fancy houses. I said, nah. I said, this house cost $29,000 back when I was

01:05:48.960 fishing. I said, nope, it was about $160 a month, pretty cheap living. I said, we're just going to

01:05:55.740 stay with this one. So, my sons and all, they built big houses and all, Jason. Oh, yeah, sure.

01:06:01.120 Yeah. I said, I ain't going to fool with all that. Miss Kay got her dogs, you know. We kill rats 1.00

01:06:08.020 coming around in the house. Rats trying to come in our house, you know. It's an old house on the

01:06:13.000 riverbank. But I'm still in the same house, Ryan. How long have you been in that home for?

01:06:19.160 Oh, it's been about back in the early 70s. So, it's been about 45 years or whatever. We're still there.

01:06:26.440 So, I don't want a big house. What good would that do me?

01:06:31.120 Well, we just bought a big house and I can tell you that it's nice and it's also not so nice when

01:06:37.500 the heating bill comes and the cleaning needs to be done and you can't sit at home. You can't sit and

01:06:44.160 enjoy time with your family because you're worried about vacuuming, you know, the third level of the

01:06:47.800 house and all this kind of stuff. So, I commend you for that decision. Remember that 1 Thessalonians 4.11.

01:06:54.000 Make it your ambition to live a quiet life. Mind your own business. Work hard with your hands.

01:06:59.240 So, your daily life will win the respect of outsiders so that you won't have to be dependent

01:07:05.360 on anybody. So, as soon as we started doing better, that house was paid for and there goes

01:07:12.560 your house notes you have to worry about. You see what I'm saying?

01:07:15.780 Yes, I do.

01:07:16.620 One at a time where I don't know anybody, anything. It's a good way to roll. Make sure your audience

01:07:24.000 hears that. It's a good way. You don't need to buy all this stuff, you know. Hey, it won't bring you

01:07:29.460 happiness. The only in Jesus is peace, joy. So, that's where peace and joy come from, not things.

01:07:39.160 Yeah, that's powerful.

01:07:41.060 That was it. One of them big pine trees could fall on it at the end of the house. I'm in

01:07:46.360 the woods, you know. It's big trees all around me.

01:07:50.740 That's powerful stuff. Well, Phil, I want to tell you, I really appreciate you. Like I said,

01:07:54.900 when we started this conversation, just always standing by your convictions and, you know,

01:07:59.920 regardless of the consequences of that. And I think that's why so many people, myself included,

01:08:03.780 um, are, are attracted to you and what you do because you have that level of integrity and

01:08:08.880 that peace of mind, I think is something a lot of guys are really looking for in their life.

01:08:13.280 I appreciate that. I really do.

01:08:15.600 Also want to let you know, my wife wanted, because she doesn't do this very often. I talk

01:08:19.580 with a lot of great people and she made certain today, she called me and said, you make sure

01:08:23.860 that you tell Phil that I said hello. So, I wanted to let you know that as well.

01:08:28.180 Can the woman cook? 1.00

01:08:30.040 Oh, the best of them. The best of them.

01:08:33.780 Tell you woman, keep that grub coming, honey. 1.00

01:08:37.300 Oh, I will. We, that, that is for sure. That is for sure. Well, Phil, I thank you for your time.

01:08:43.140 Um, guys, make sure you pick up a copy of the book on canceled. Got it right here. Uh,

01:08:47.680 great book, great message. I think it's really going to help. Phil, thanks again, brother.

01:08:51.400 See y'all later.

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Order of Man - February 22, 2022

PHIL ROBERTSON ｜ How to Become Uncanceled

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