Order of Man - RICK TRIMMER ｜ Win the Game of Money

00:00:00.640 If you've ever lost everything or anything, a business, a marriage, even just a sense

00:00:06.460 of who you are, this conversation today is proof that the collapse that you've had, much

00:00:12.280 as I have in my life, is not the end of your story.

00:00:16.020 My guest today, Rick Tremmer, walks through the exact math that he and his wife used to

00:00:20.440 climb out of $640,000 in debt.

00:00:23.540 Also, the thousand-day stretch with no pay, a decade of living on $1,000 a month, and the brutal conversations he had with himself and his wife about what they actually wanted.

00:00:36.700 So if you're in the hole right now or you're scared of ever being in the hole, this today is the blueprint for how a man digs out of that hole without excuses and also without quitting on his family.

00:00:51.580 And this isn't just a comeback story. It's a lesson in delayed gratification and what winning the game actually really looks like.

00:01:00.680 So we cover how to build passive income, take advantage of opportunities that scare you, and ultimately choose freedom over what so many people have been addicted to, the appearance of success.

00:01:14.720 So if you're tired again of chasing a lifestyle that you can't afford, or you're ready to start

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00:01:49.400 after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:53.800 Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast. I am your host, Ryan Michler, and the founder

00:01:58.180 of this 11-year movement to rebuild and restore masculinity. Glad you're tuning in. Glad you're

00:02:05.340 here. Got a very powerful conversation with a good friend of mine who has a lot of knowledge

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00:03:42.320 company.com. All right, guys, let me introduce you to my good friend and guest. His name is Rick

00:03:48.000 trimmer. He's an entrepreneur. He invests in a lot of real estate and he's also a partner with real

00:03:53.780 business owners where he now helps other business owners build wealth with intention as opposed to

00:04:00.560 the ego that gets to the better of us, myself included. After building and then losing a 300

00:04:07.600 employee company in the 2008 recession, he found himself $640,000 in debt. Most, if not all of his

00:04:15.820 assets repossessed. His family displaced. He ended up living in the basement of his grandparents'

00:04:21.280 house, but rebuilt from zero through very, very disciplined savings. Owner refinanced real estate

00:04:30.060 deals and then growing his Airbnb portfolio, eventually clearing every dollar of that $640,000

00:04:37.460 in debt and then retiring in his mid thirties. He and his wife spent nine years traveling full

00:04:43.960 time with our kids, hitting over 88 countries, all 50 states before returning home to build again,

00:04:51.140 including a planned 100 acre Airbnb compound for lack of a better term. And I've seen it.

00:04:57.460 It's beautiful. And several new ventures launched in the past six months. If you are a man trying

00:05:03.060 to find out how to escape the rat race, guys, this one's for you. Rick, what's up, man? Second

00:05:11.020 person to be doing the in-person interview here. I love it, dude. I was just saying how cool it is

00:05:15.720 that this is, you got this all set up. I love that you know how to run it all. I don't. Yeah,

00:05:20.780 well, it's taken 11 years. I think for someone who is smarter, it might take them a few years,

00:05:25.100 but for guys like us it takes a lot longer that's awesome no i'm cool you came you could come over i

00:05:31.020 know you just like you've been in business for a long time and you've started a lot of businesses

00:05:35.340 um but then you just took over real business owners with from a mutual friend you started

00:05:40.760 working with him um trevor and like i'm just really curious because i think there's so many

00:05:45.920 guys out there who they want to start businesses um you know maybe they're in a career or maybe

00:05:52.620 they're just making ends meet, but they want to like actually do something that can build wealth,

00:05:56.540 but have meaning and significance behind it. A hundred percent. Yeah. I highly recommend it.

00:06:01.740 Like I said, that's the only thing I've ever known as being an entrepreneur. I came right out of

00:06:04.740 college and I knew, I saw my dad go from being this, you know, growing up poor, you know, to

00:06:13.100 buying even his ranch, you know, and I just saw what's possible if you, and again, it's not for

00:06:20.240 everybody. That's one thing I'm learning is, is a lot of people say you can do it, you know, go for

00:06:25.860 it. And, um, I think you have to really talk to the person and the individual. Now that I am a

00:06:32.060 part of RBO, um, I'm having a lot of conversations with people and a lot of them, I'm like, man,

00:06:39.060 you know, maybe stay where you're at, you know, to be honest, to be truthful because nobody talks

00:06:44.240 about that. Like they all, they all say everybody should own a business and in theory, in theory,

00:06:49.320 right exactly but what do you think okay so what do you think sets apart somebody who should own a

00:06:55.900 business who should be an entrepreneur from somebody who maybe is better suited to follow

00:07:00.200 a career path or work with a large organization and work up the corporate ladder uh to be blunt

00:07:05.960 i think iq i really think your intellect um you have to juggle a lot you have to make quick

00:07:13.220 decisions uh you know if you just if you just don't have that iq uh you know i think it's like

00:07:20.180 anything in life there's lots of people who maybe want to be a doctor but you don't have i don't have

00:07:24.380 the iq to be a brain surgeon i really don't yeah i may have the work ethic i may have you know the

00:07:30.180 physical attributes or whatever to move my hands and all these things but to actually have the iq

00:07:35.240 to be a brain surgeon i don't think i have it but that's but i mean okay so look i i get what

00:07:39.900 you're saying, but that, that's not to say that everybody who climbs the corporate ladder is a

00:07:45.460 lower IQ person though. No, no, no, no, no. Like there's people who thrive. So there's got to be

00:07:49.780 like other things too, right? Yeah. And I think you just, like I said, you don't have to be a

00:07:53.320 genius. There's a window, right? There's a window. Um, I don't think I'm a genius. I don't think I

00:07:58.460 am. I far from it. I think I am. Yeah. And you probably are, right? 11 years to run your podcast.

00:08:03.820 That's actually probably what it, actually, I think that is kind of what it takes a little bit,

00:08:07.560 a little bit of, um, a little bit of delusion. Yeah, it does. Like healthy delusion. Like I can

00:08:13.260 do this. Well, why? A hundred percent. Why do you think you can do that? And that was,

00:08:16.380 so that was going to be my number two, number one's IQ. Number two is tenacity drive. You know,

00:08:23.640 you can overcome a lot of the IQ, um, issues with that, with being able to just say, I'm not going

00:08:30.160 to quit. I'm not going to fail, but I still think that's a smart person that can say that. I think

00:08:35.100 that's a person who is again in that window you don't have to be a genius but somebody that can

00:08:39.860 say okay can I do this yes I can I know I have my faults I know I have my limitations but you can

00:08:46.340 hire those yeah you know it's one of those things where when I um AC was that the AC it is but it

00:08:53.080 actually doesn't pick up on the mics which is crazy basically it's just having that that you

00:08:57.440 can you can overcome the um you know you can overcome your again oh yeah that's what it was

00:09:03.920 was hiring your weaknesses.

00:09:05.760 So I think, but I still think that takes a smart individual

00:09:08.140 to realize I'm not good at math.

00:09:11.540 I'm not good at this, but I am good at this.

00:09:14.080 And I can overcome that by delegating.

00:09:17.720 But I still think that takes intellect.

00:09:19.380 And again, I think you can overcome a lot of that

00:09:23.240 with a mentor.

00:09:24.660 You know, I think if you're humble and you have humility

00:09:27.960 and you're willing to learn and say,

00:09:29.500 man, I don't, I'm not the smartest guy in the room.

00:09:31.440 you can overcome a lot of these the iq thing and the driven thing by having a mentor that says hey 0.98

00:09:38.800 watch out for this watch out for that you know watch out for these landmines and so i i do

00:09:44.740 believe it is the best way i mean you're an entrepreneur you've been doing this for your

00:09:48.960 whole life pretty much right i mean i mean well not the podcast but i mean an entrepreneur you've

00:09:52.960 been an entrepreneur no actually no oh really no i mean i i did a lot of odds and end types jobs

00:09:57.860 that everybody did. And then I was actually working in retail management for a big chain

00:10:04.380 buckle clothing store. Oh, that's right. But I thought you were like 20 then. How long did you

00:10:08.400 do that for? I think I started working with a financial planning firm around 25. And I did

00:10:17.580 that until I was about 32 or 33. And that was working for someone? Because that's kind of like

00:10:23.020 being an entrepreneur. That's kind of a myth. It's quasi, right? So I was working with a financial

00:10:26.780 firm. And then, uh, about five or six years into it, I started my own registered investment

00:10:33.200 advisory thing. And that's where I, I really struck it out on my own. And I haven't looked

00:10:37.240 back since. And how old were you then? Uh, thirties, let's see, 34, 33, 34, somewhere in there.

00:10:45.420 Yeah. So what, I mean, what made you, you know, want to do that? What made you think I'm going to,

00:10:50.860 I'm going to bet on myself. I, I had a, um, I had an early mentor in the financial planning field

00:10:58.700 and he's been on the podcast before. His name is Mark, uh, Manson, uh, uh, Madsen, excuse me.

00:11:06.540 And he, Mark Madsen from Pineview. No, somebody else. He's out in Ohio. But anyways, he,

00:11:12.600 he was telling me a story and he said, you know, Ryan, when I, when I went out,

00:11:16.600 I was working for a financial planning firm and then I decided I'd want to go out on my own. And

00:11:21.080 so he went to his boss and he said, Hey, I'm thinking about going out on my own. And the

00:11:25.520 boss just berated him. He's like, you can't do it. It's too hard. You don't have what it takes,

00:11:29.440 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Mark, Mark said to him, and I'll never forget this. He said,

00:11:33.980 I'd rather live in under a cardboard box than be your little bitch for the rest of my life. 1.00

00:11:39.260 Yeah. And I think that's the mentality. And I look, I'm not saying again, I want to be very 1.00

00:11:44.720 clear. I'm not saying that anybody who works in the corporate environment is being a little bitch. 0.99

00:11:49.960 For sure. That's not what I'm saying. But if somebody has the heart for going out and doing 0.99

00:11:54.780 something and failing, I've always had the attitude. I would actually rather, everybody

00:12:00.160 says, don't reinvent the wheel. I'd rather reinvent the wheel if it means that I own the wheel.

00:12:05.000 For sure. Or you are the wheel. Yeah, sure. You are the wheel. And it's like to reinvent yourself.

00:12:09.240 you know trevor was just talking about this um on our podcast uh about to become something new

00:12:14.860 you have to shed your skin you have to reinvent yourself or you're going to stay the same and

00:12:19.360 that's exactly right it's like you have to to level up you have to let go of an old version

00:12:24.880 of yourself yeah and it's scary most that's why most humans don't statistically you know nine out

00:12:30.600 of ten humans have a day job they have a job they go and they clock in they're not you know they're

00:12:35.920 not um entrepreneurs right uh because it is scary there is that and that's the other thing i was

00:12:41.720 going to say is probably number three or four is risk um management risk you have to be like i

00:12:49.420 remember talking to my grandpa roy because i watched him do the work for somebody for his

00:12:55.560 whole entire life he didn't miss a day of work in 40 years not a day i mean that was his badge

00:13:00.640 of honor right yeah and uh i watched him when he passed away at the age of 82 he was worth like 1.4

00:13:08.920 million something like that right but he was the guy who saved 50 of every paycheck you know 25 50

00:13:14.820 100 200 put it into stock safe safe safe and i come along right we had a relationship um 40 years

00:13:23.600 younger than him 40 40 something years younger than him and but when we became friends he was

00:13:30.400 really close friends and we became like my best friend he was 70 yeah he was 70 I'm 30

00:13:37.140 and it was funny because when I started out you know my story you know I was doing really well

00:13:42.120 had a big company 300 employees in Mexico I was 26 to 20 to 30 and he was watching that and he's

00:13:50.140 like man good job Rick you know that's awesome that's crazy and then I lost everything yeah and

00:13:54.820 he's like told you so told you know like this is why i never in 2008 2009 2008 was when it started

00:14:00.360 and then i officially was homeless and lost everything and all my cars and all my ever my

00:14:04.500 world uh assets and i'm not assets liabilities but i lost my yeah not assets anymore yeah yeah

00:14:11.120 um what i thought was assets but uh i lost all those things moved into his basement um and he

00:14:19.440 was like that's why i never did that and i says okay and he says so are you gonna go get a job

00:14:24.540 and i'm like no i'm gonna keep this going and i ended up that's what you know the story but uh i

00:14:29.460 worked a thousand days in a row no pay um me and my wife regat regrouped we had six hundred and

00:14:36.440 forty thousand dollars of debt that i didn't declare bankruptcy i was just not raised that

00:14:40.900 way my dad actually uh declared bankruptcy when he was 30 and he went back 12 years later he

00:14:47.560 actually didn't want to his partner at the time had to wanted to so he was forced into it because

00:14:53.280 it was a partnership and he went back 12 years later 14 years later after he had sold his company

00:14:58.600 in vegas for millions and then paid all those people back whoa really which is even though he

00:15:02.940 was no longer legally obligated he's done whoa so i was always raised with that mentality so

00:15:09.180 again i'm not saying if he declared bankruptcy you're a bad person you know like you said you

00:15:13.320 always have to say those things but the way i was raised was i borrowed the money i said yes

00:15:19.180 I effed up and I didn't want other people to pick up the tab and so me and my wife sat down and we

00:15:25.380 said okay we got to pay this back we're going to go hard at work and I remember going to Roy saying

00:15:29.780 I'm going to go my wife had to get a job so that we had some income to buy food and shelter and

00:15:36.100 all these things and I says no I'm not done Roy like I learned I learned that's the best lesson

00:15:43.980 that's the best education I ever could have got was that situation right and so now I'm going to

00:15:49.000 go back into this with that better knowledge. I'm going to pick up the bat. I think that's another

00:15:53.920 thing with entrepreneurs. You have to be willing to strike out. You have to be willing to change

00:15:58.320 your grip, get a coach, you know, keep swinging, keep swinging that tenacity. And then it was

00:16:05.100 funny because I start coming out of the hole and I start taking some chances. I started buying

00:16:08.780 properties and businesses and Roy's there the whole time and I'm still in debt, but I'm hustling. I

00:16:13.400 have nothing to lose right i'm like i'm already in debt i'm already have no home no cars like let's

00:16:20.840 just go so i went full bore and he was just like rick slow down be careful don't i remember him

00:16:26.760 grabbing me everything i i'm like i'm gonna buy this lot and he's like don't do that i'm like i'm

00:16:31.580 gonna buy i'm gonna give this hard money loan to this guy don't do that and uh about four years in

00:16:38.860 I started getting some traction and my net worth went from negative 600,000 to a couple million

00:16:44.920 in five years. And he came to me after that and he says, I don't have the personality for what

00:16:53.460 you're doing, but man, I admire it. I admire that you didn't give up, you betting on yourself.

00:17:01.500 And I've watched you go over my net worth from a hole that he had never been in. And he says,

00:17:08.440 that's only possible through entrepreneurship. And so, but again, I, when I was buying those

00:17:13.300 Airbnbs and stuff, I remember I bought like three or four and the first couple, he was like, don't

00:17:18.760 buy him, don't buy him. And then by the fourth, he says, Rick, maybe I should buy one.

00:17:23.940 Starts coming to you. And I said, I says, let's do it. Like I'll help you. But what you have to

00:17:28.300 understand is these are Airbnbs. People are going to come in. They're going to, you know, thrash

00:17:32.120 your place, fix the toilets. And I took him into my Airbnb for one of my Airbnbs for a couple

00:17:38.420 weeks and showed him how people are washing their dog in the sink and cleaning their mountain bikes

00:17:43.060 in my kitchen and whatever they can think of, you know, you know, things in the beds, you know,

00:17:48.540 things like that. You can imagine there for two nights. Don't take a blacklight in there.

00:17:51.380 Don't take a blacklight. And he says, I can't do this. But he was, he was, and I think with a

00:17:58.340 mentor and a coach, he could have, but 80 years of being the way he was and his personality.

00:18:04.980 And that's where I think people really need to sit down and say, you know, can I live

00:18:10.180 with this schedule with this?

00:18:13.080 I mean, there's so, you know, it is, man.

00:18:14.640 Everybody wants your life.

00:18:15.960 And I'm talking about you.

00:18:17.340 I know your life is amazing.

00:18:18.380 You're telling me all these things you're doing this year.

00:18:21.040 You have a beautiful life.

00:18:23.860 Show them how you got here.

00:18:25.620 Yeah.

00:18:25.860 And I have people come to my office and call me all the time, especially now that I'm with

00:18:30.080 real business owners.

00:18:31.320 And they're like, hey, I want to travel the world for nine years and retire at 36.

00:18:34.980 and i'm like cool let's go through your finances here's what you do here's how did i lay it out

00:18:39.300 and they're nine out of ten of them are like i'm out no thank you they're like dude i can't eat top

00:18:44.100 ramen for five years right i won't my wife won't my kids won't i'm like well my wife did my kids

00:18:49.920 did yeah but i wanted to work she was a police dispatcher and she probably was six years those 1.00

00:18:55.820 six years she she started out as a police dispatcher to put like literally ramen noodles 1.00

00:19:01.940 on the table and then once we started getting the airbnbs she managed the airbnbs all of them 0.99

00:19:07.320 cleaning hand and and uh bookings and did the police uh job and then i went full bore into

00:19:15.800 my businesses and trying to buy the airbnbs right buying i bought like four or five more businesses

00:19:20.820 how did you go i mean so there's a big gap there like six hundred and fifty thousand dollars in

00:19:26.360 debt to yeah and then i bought seven airbnbs like whoa hold on hold on hold on because like that's

00:19:31.660 what the internet says it's like yeah you just go out and run 100 miles you use other people's

00:19:37.680 money and then you buy seven airbnbs and then you make 100 return every year and then you take that

00:19:44.140 money that's not even yours and you go out and it's like okay yeah a-hole yeah that's not how

00:19:50.140 it works so so like what so how did you do that let's was it that was it an airbnb first to start

00:19:56.100 clawing out or how did you start making generated revenue? Yeah. So I, so I just did a podcast on

00:20:01.580 this at real business owners. So if anybody wants to go listen to that, I just recorded it. Um,

00:20:05.280 it'll come out in a couple of weeks, but it's literally on that story because that's probably

00:20:09.240 the number one question that I get is how did you exit your businesses at the time? I had like eight

00:20:15.080 and eight Airbnbs. How did you build that and then exit and walk away and work four hours a

00:20:22.700 month for the last nine years. Right. So if you want to get real in depth, you could go listen to

00:20:26.640 that. But for this to kind of abbreviate it, yeah, man, it was, I tell people, dude, for like six

00:20:33.760 months, it was sitting in my basement, playing Call of Duty, drinking beer, depressed. That's

00:20:40.500 six months of it. I didn't look for other people's money. I didn't know what the hell that meant.

00:20:45.700 Right. It was depression. It was, I messed up as a man. I failed my family. I had a newborn child

00:20:51.760 two weeks after we lost our home and we were literally crowd surfing couch surfing crowd

00:20:57.020 surfing totally different yeah uh couch surfing and living in hotel rooms shady hotel rooms

00:21:03.280 uh until my grandparents basement opened up but dude it was dark and that's where i think people

00:21:09.300 resonate with this and and where i would resonate with it if i had heard the story is it was not

00:21:14.700 easy it was not six months of you know buckle down and hustle it was six years that people have

00:21:21.240 no idea. I, when I'd recorded my podcast yesterday, I started crying like four times

00:21:26.980 and, and I had my producer in there, uh, my RBO producer, Nick and, uh, Trevor doesn't cry. He

00:21:34.060 never cries. And real men. Yeah, exactly. What does that say about you? Exactly. Um, but at the

00:21:40.300 end he says, I says, dude, sorry, I cried. You know, I just, and he, and he says, Oh, that's

00:21:44.420 cool, man. And I says, it's just, it's like in my soul. It's just, it's part of me is that story

00:21:49.860 And I can snap my fingers and go right back to that couch or right back to a thousand days plus, like a thousand days plus of not missing one day of work, 12-hour days, missing my kids' first steps, missing my kids.

00:22:04.900 my wife would text me and say castle just said daddy and i'm like cool i'm at my effing job

00:22:12.200 you know like and then i'd call my dad and this is where you need to have people in your corner

00:22:16.800 a wife a spouse uh husband whatever it is and i would call my dad and i'm like what am i doing

00:22:22.340 like what am i doing and he says rick if i would see if i saw that you were making this money and

00:22:28.220 just blowing it again like you did before on motorcycles and watches and big houses i would

00:22:31.960 say, stop and go home and play with your kids. But I see that you are doing things that no one

00:22:39.120 is willing to do and it's going to pay off. And Trevor always talks about this where, you know,

00:22:44.220 with entrepreneurship, it's usually a wave, right? You're building this wave up. You're building this

00:22:49.540 wave up. You're not taking a paycheck. You're taking a tiny paycheck. You're reinvesting all

00:22:54.700 your money for the, you're working nights, you're working weekends for the hope that in five years,

00:23:00.340 10 years my dad uh kendall we had him on the real business owner podcast he sold his business for

00:23:06.360 millions of dollars uh in vegas and he but i know for the 14 years he took building that

00:23:13.100 it was we're broke we were eating frozen burritos and his truck was shitty and our light we looked

00:23:22.400 like we were as poor as poor and then overnight he had a million dollars he says where it flipped

00:23:28.840 the switch did he marry he says he tells the story of when he the the venture capital company

00:23:34.520 that bought his business he says they wrote me a check and i put like a four million dollar check

00:23:39.100 in my pocket and he says i'm with my i'm with your mom and bill his partner at the time they

00:23:44.100 rented a limo and he's like it's my first time in a limo in 45 years and they were going out to

00:23:50.860 celebrate they're gonna have a nice dinner they were going to gamble and they went to a gamble

00:23:55.620 and it was like a hundred dollars a chip right and the day before he's broke yeah the day before

00:24:03.580 he's broken trying to make payroll you know and uh because they just reinvested everything into

00:24:09.380 selling that business every dollar went into knowing that they were going to exit and so

00:24:14.120 he says my mom was grabbed like bill's keep betting keep betting and Kendall's like I'm done

00:24:19.060 like we're up 500 bucks you know and Bill's like it's not about the money we're just going to blow

00:24:23.340 a thousand it's entertainment it's just a story to tell someday and Kendall's like okay my mom

00:24:28.920 kept grabbing the chips and putting them and putting them in her pocket and she gets and she

00:24:32.240 says get emotional um sorry man but she says this is groceries you know and she still couldn't

00:24:44.200 process that they were millionaires and so yeah dude I uh it was it's it's a long road it was

00:24:52.440 hard. There was obviously a big gap there, but it was, it was just, it was doing the math. I'm a big

00:24:57.760 math guy, huge math guy. And I, and I talked about this on my podcast yesterday where I sit down with

00:25:03.100 Gina and I remember talking to her and I says, Hey babe, do you want to leave me? Serious as a heart

00:25:07.440 attack. I had a couple of friends that wives left them when they lost their money. Yeah. I'm out

00:25:12.660 common, common. Right. And I says, do you want to leave me? We have a two week old child. I says,

00:25:17.940 do you want to bail you know this is probably your chance you know or never you're either out

00:25:23.220 or you'll take i told her i'll take all the debt you know i'll take all the debt you can walk away

00:25:28.220 and start start new and she's like what are you talking about right like and that was a big thing

00:25:33.840 for our relationship and i said what do you uh what do you want you know what do we want to do

00:25:40.460 we played the game the way my dad told me and society told me get a job you know go to college

00:25:46.320 get a job make a little money upgrade your life upgrade the size of your house get a bigger truck

00:25:52.320 keep having payments keep having payments keep having payments but you'll have a good life you'll

00:25:56.960 have a boat payment but you can go to the lake you can take two weeks off every year and go do

00:26:01.240 a vacation and i bought in on it and i went in all i went in hard and then when that was all

00:26:07.320 taken away and you get to that point where you're like that wasn't fun i didn't i didn't feel

00:26:11.700 fulfilled with my boat payment and my chopper payment. And I says, uh, what do you, I says,

00:26:18.060 what do you want? She couldn't even answer. She's like a house back. I'd love a house. I'd love a

00:26:22.000 car. We had no car. I went from six cars, three motorcycles, two four wheelers to zero. It all

00:26:29.800 got repossessed, uh, dragged out of my driveway by a winch. Um, and so she says, I don't know what

00:26:35.600 you're asking. I says, what if we retired in 10 years and traveled the world? And she's like,

00:26:41.460 okay, like couldn't even, sounds good. I remember telling my dad like a year later, you know,

00:26:46.560 and he's like, okay. Yeah, for sure. It's unbelievable. It was unbelievable. And it was

00:26:51.500 at the time, but I did the math and this is the key. And I think this is where a lot of people

00:26:56.820 miss it. Even when starting a business or their goals or dreams, it's like everything costs money.

00:27:02.760 That's life, right? Money's the tool to buy your freedom or start a business or anything. And so

00:27:07.920 i think first thing is sit down and so we sat down and i said okay our bills are a thousand

00:27:12.120 bucks a month we didn't have a mortgage we were in the basement of my grandparents house

00:27:16.260 i says if we keep living off a thousand dollars a month for the next decade decade my grandparents

00:27:23.060 were like stay here forever a long time we don't care yeah and i'm like but what happens is you

00:27:28.260 make 30 grand you live off 30 you make 50 you live off 50 yeah you make 100 you live off 100

00:27:33.920 it's um there's a lot i don't know i think it's parkinson's law i think it's parkinson's

00:27:40.620 i could be wrong but anyways the the law is uh your work expands to the time allotted

00:27:46.820 but the same is true of your finances your expenses expand to the income allotted

00:27:53.440 it doesn't have to be that way and for most people it is that most people it is that and so

00:27:58.680 we continued to live off a thousand bucks and then after three years i landed a big job

00:28:03.860 in Vegas. I worked three years, no check. I landed a big job in Vegas, a hospital, a veteran's

00:28:08.860 hospital. Shout out to the vets. Those are my heroes. And I got a windfall, right? I got like

00:28:18.060 $52,000. Yeah. And I'm like, woo, we're rich. So I went to a lot of the creditors. You can settle

00:28:24.700 with people. I didn't realize this, but like when they repossess your truck and it's a $27,000 truck

00:28:29.460 you owe and they sell it for 17 you owe them 10 right i didn't know that they called me up and

00:28:34.020 they're like hey this is to will a federal credit union you owe us 10 grand i'm like you took it

00:28:39.260 and they're like it's the difference and i'm like you sold that jacked up mega cab with

00:28:43.440 seven thousand dollars what are you doing we don't care we don't get that money back

00:28:47.940 we don't we got what we got from them and we're coming after you for the rest yeah and so i was

00:28:52.200 able to settle with them like 10 i got 30 cents on the dollar most people settle for yeah um so i

00:28:57.820 settled a bunch of that but then i got that money and i got rid of a bunch of creditors

00:29:01.960 um again that's about three years in and i had about 20 grand left and i hid it under my mattress

00:29:07.380 because i was afraid of banks everybody seemed like they were coming after my money totally

00:29:10.740 i was afraid to check the mail i was afraid to answer my phone

00:29:14.360 four years four years not a day not a week four years and uh got about 20 grand and i ended up

00:29:22.080 buying a lot first because i didn't know again this is where you should get mentors yeah but

00:29:27.420 i didn't know i just knew i wasn't gonna buy this lot and then what do i do yeah it's the only thing

00:29:32.140 i could afford you know like houses are back then were a couple hundred thousand right which i wish

00:29:36.940 they were today too i should have i remember about eight i should have bought a hundred exactly like

00:29:41.000 i bought in 2006 yeah your your house you still own it right yeah i still own it and so i've owned

00:29:48.320 it for 20 so awesome you know 10 more years and things paid off awesome but um i remember we bought

00:29:54.540 it i think we went under contract or we secured or something for like 210 or something and you're

00:30:01.140 stressed about it well it stepped it kept going up yeah and the county wouldn't release the the

00:30:06.880 lot or whatever we already had it secured but every time every week the county wouldn't release

00:30:12.660 the lot the prices went up but we didn't have a lot they wouldn't let you lock it in wow so it was

00:30:18.680 like 215 and then it was like 220 and then i told my ex my then wife at the time and i said

00:30:25.680 hey look babe if this goes up much more than this like i don't know if we're gonna be able to do

00:30:32.520 this and it got up to 240 and now i'm like dude i would make that deal any day of the week i'd make

00:30:39.700 that deal 100 and that's and that so that's what i started reading and listening i don't even think

00:30:45.660 podcasts were really a thing this was 2012 about when you started yours right yeah uh 2000 yeah

00:30:50.780 2015 14 which you were like the i remember very early dude you were so early and so i think it

00:30:56.480 was more books and stuff but i remember reading that most wealth was built through real estate

00:30:59.720 right and i didn't know my dad didn't have a lot of real estate so i just went and bought a lot

00:31:04.600 it was like 25 grand i had 20 i put like five grand on a credit card again my grandpa was like

00:31:09.140 what are you doing what are you doing and i says i don't know i know that this is better than a jeep

00:31:14.360 or a motorcycle or a fancy watch that's all i know and i have i learned to trick myself because i'm

00:31:19.780 i was and i am now but i was not good with money i'd spend it i didn't care i didn't think long

00:31:24.740 term but now i have a goal now i know that i'm going to retire and travel the world and when

00:31:31.320 we went through our finances again like i was saying it was a thousand dollars a month was

00:31:35.180 our overhead at the time and i said and so i went through and i'm like flights in 10 years

00:31:39.980 i remember adjusting for inflation because my goal was so far out so you adjusted for inflation

00:31:46.560 yeah yeah dude and it was probably a lot higher than you thought yeah i was like yeah yeah i was

00:31:50.700 like okay i think we could travel for eight grand as a family of four i knew we'd probably have

00:31:55.600 another kid i mean dude it got weird to where when you're planning that far out and you gotta

00:32:00.240 math it it was like okay we're probably gonna be a family of four maybe five yeah so what's that

00:32:06.520 going to look like i'm gonna have an extra flight that didn't even exist he wasn't even a thought

00:32:09.980 you know then and but i got to where i was like okay 10 grand i think 10 grand uh i thought eight

00:32:16.800 and i'm like i'm gonna add two grand for incidentals and inflation sure yeah and so i'm like

00:32:20.900 okay i gotta get to 10 grand passive income okay how do i get to passive income what does that mean

00:32:25.860 real estate that's all i knew or business yeah right or business man let me just take a step

00:32:32.280 away from the conversation. I know you're, I know it's riveting. I know you're, you're clinging to

00:32:36.620 every word, but I want to tell you that Rick's story, what you've heard so far, there's plenty

00:32:41.080 more to share. Didn't happen by accident. It happened because he had a framework from mentors

00:32:46.800 and other people in his life and a way of thinking that turned his massive amount of debt into total

00:32:53.060 freedom in less than 10 years. And I want you to think about that less than 10 years. And most men

00:32:59.740 never get there not because they can't but because nobody ever taught them the blueprint

00:33:04.560 and that's exactly what we're doing inside the war room on wednesday august 19th at 8 p.m eastern

00:33:11.940 i'm going to walk you through the five frameworks for restoring order in your life it's the same

00:33:18.320 kind of principles that rick has used to rebuild his finances and his marriage and his mission

00:33:23.440 after he lost it all and this isn't theoretical it isn't some pie in the sky type thinking or

00:33:29.720 wishful thinking or hoping. This is the operating system for a man who refuses to stay broken or

00:33:37.080 broke or scattered or just in turmoil. So if you've been drifting in your life, if your finances,

00:33:44.280 your discipline, or your house feel out of order, this one guys is for you. It's free,

00:33:51.060 completely free. It's live and it's only going to be happening this month. Again, that's going to

00:33:56.900 be August 19th at 8 p.m. Eastern. You can head to orderofman.com slash war room. Again, orderofman.com

00:34:04.720 slash war room to save your seat in the room. You can do that right after the show to save that seat

00:34:10.900 for now. Let's get back to it with Rick. And so then I just went to work, man. And I just started

00:34:16.320 about the lot. I ended up, uh, what really changed my life was I was, uh, we went on a vacation to

00:34:22.380 Palm Springs. And this is how we would do our vacations. We'd find anybody who had anything

00:34:27.120 that we could use. And so Gina's like, I have this uncle, this rich uncle in Palm Springs that

00:34:32.020 has rental properties. And I could call him and see if we could just come stay in one when it's

00:34:36.680 not rented. And all we have is a hundred bucks in gas. Yeah. And that's how I would do my trips.

00:34:41.280 Literally, we'd get down there. I've been on trips with you. I know how cheap you are. I still am.

00:34:44.620 I told you now I'm good with money. Good, bad. I'm like, dude, dude, you know, buy an ice cream

00:34:49.300 for your kids let's go yeah i don't i don't they can get it you're like hey can we have your

00:34:53.940 leftover ice cream it's like just the con it's all soggy i'm like i'm chewing on your bone of your

00:34:58.480 steak but it's hard to break those habits man it's it's been it's been 10 years of ingrained

00:35:05.460 in me now and so now i'm trying to work on uh i'll get into that a little bit but uh that's a

00:35:10.840 hard habit to break but um yeah so i i did the math and i'm like okay i got to get to passive

00:35:16.660 income, bought the lot. And then my grandpa again was like, don't do it. And, uh, I went to Palm

00:35:23.180 Springs and I remember I woke up one morning and her uncle was in, we were staying with him. He

00:35:27.080 had a guest house, uh, on his property. And I come walking in one morning and there's a stack

00:35:32.840 of checks on his desk, like at least an inch high. This is your grandpa. It's my great, my, uh, my

00:35:38.320 wife's uncle. Okay. Got it. So, uh, and he's like 80 years old at the time. He just passed away at

00:35:44.240 90. But I walk in, I'm like, hey, Uncle Grant, what you do? And don't know him really. And he's

00:35:49.820 like, oh, it's first of the month. And I'm like, what's that? And he's like, it's rent. And I

00:35:54.780 remember looking at it and I was like, dude, that's an inch and a half high. How many properties

00:35:58.980 do you have? And he's like, I have over a hundred. Whoa. In California. Whoa. And I'm like,

00:36:05.620 will you mentor me? Like, would you mentor me? And he's like, sure. You know, most people that

00:36:09.800 are above you, they want to pull you up. The people who are below you are trying to pull you

00:36:13.580 down yeah interesting yeah and so so he mentored me and i says this is what i got i got my lot like

00:36:19.480 i'm on the path and he's like sell the lot what are you doing that's that's not a door there's

00:36:24.180 no cash flow you're just waiting for it to appreciate and so i went home sold it and i 0.97

00:36:29.120 called him and i says i remember calling him and i says hey i sold it and he's like no shit people

00:36:33.540 just usually talk yeah you did it okay and i he says now start looking for a rental property and

00:36:40.400 I have no credit. My credit's annihilated. I sold up for 40. So I made like 15 grand.

00:36:48.020 And again, this is where things, when you start looking, you know, like the yellow car,

00:36:53.120 whatever that's called, where you start looking at yellow cars, now you see them everywhere.

00:36:56.120 The reticular activator. Is that what it is? Yeah. It activates a part of your brain where

00:37:00.640 you start seeing it everywhere if it's on your mind. Yeah. So I'm thinking real estate,

00:37:05.100 I'm thinking opportunity. And instead of looking at big trucks, I'm looking, you know, and so.

00:37:09.180 it's it's interesting i'll just say one thing on that i want to i want you to keep going on your

00:37:12.340 story yeah it's interesting because a lot of people say oh you won't learn by osmosis and i

00:37:17.220 agree it like you don't just absorb it but in a way with that reticular activation system you kind

00:37:23.740 of do because if you're spending time with five real estate developers you're going you're going

00:37:29.820 to become a real estate developer if you're spending time with broke people with with poverty

00:37:35.400 mindsets, you're going to be a broke person with a poverty mindset. For sure. And if you drive

00:37:40.180 around, you know, and think I want to buy a motorcycle, chances are you're going to buy a

00:37:44.080 motorcycle. You're going to buy a motorcycle. Whether it's a good idea or not, you're going

00:37:46.440 to buy a motorcycle. Yeah. And so my brain flipped into, I'm going to buy a rental property. And I

00:37:50.240 just started looking for rental properties and opportunity in my budget, which was 40 grand,

00:37:54.440 you know, like, how do I even start? And so I was on a trip to Vegas with some friends

00:37:58.280 and I went over to the ATM. And again, this is like four years into my deal, right? Now I've

00:38:04.620 gone from so out of that 640 grand about half a million of it was company debt business day 140

00:38:10.720 was personal right i'd whittled that down probably to i mean maybe maybe 70 or 80 half with settling

00:38:18.340 with the people and stuff but still had debt still had debt but i was i was like okay i'm okay to pay

00:38:23.360 that interest and and what and whatnot to try to get some cash to get ahead and so i went to the

00:38:28.820 ATM machine to get like a hundred bucks out to gamble. And my buddy, Brian, uh, Herrenberg,

00:38:33.920 uh, grabbed my receipt and he's like, Hey, what's up, Rick? Oh, and you know, I had a couple of

00:38:39.160 drinks, you know? And he's like, Oh, dude, you have 50 grand in the bank. And I'm like, yeah.

00:38:44.620 And he's like, bro, we all thought you were poor. And I'm like, I am poor. And he's like, no, but

00:38:50.600 dude, I had no idea. You know, I was driving like a thousand dollar truck at the time, one car,

00:38:55.120 my wife would walk to work yeah i mean just we never went out to dinner and everyone out she 0.99

00:38:59.600 didn't get her nails done she didn't get her hair done we just cut everything off a thousand bucks

00:39:03.400 a month for a family of three you can imagine that's good luck yeah good luck i actually did

00:39:07.160 the inflation for it yesterday and it's fifteen hundred dollars today yeah so can a family but no

00:39:12.520 you couldn't you'd have to live in your in-laws you'd have to figure it out you could but you'd

00:39:17.360 have to be it would be very intense difficult yeah and it was i literally ate top ramen dude for

00:39:24.640 you know three years i mean hard-boiled eggs in the morning you know uh peanut butter and jelly

00:39:30.820 sandwich for lunch and top ramen for dinner a gallon of warm milk again too yeah lots of milk

00:39:34.760 i couldn't afford the whole bro so gross yeah i always tease i'm like dude he drinks milk i'm

00:39:40.920 like he's a grown man and he drinks milk yeah well i have that heart condition right so i have

00:39:45.580 heart condition okay that's fair so i can't i can only have water or milk i can't have any soda

00:39:50.980 yeah anything stimulant i mean i could have a little bit of sprite but i don't drink sugar

00:39:54.820 yeah you know uh so i have to mix it up bro and it's milk or water so that's it bro it's tough

00:40:00.500 um sparkling water though yeah yeah i just got on that now yeah i just got on that i got my mentor

00:40:06.460 got the 40 grand and then that guy brian called me up two weeks later and he says hey dude i got

00:40:10.720 this opportunity. This guy has an apartment that he inherited and he wants to start a restaurant

00:40:16.100 in Boise, Idaho. He's a young kid. He inherited it from his dad. And he said, if you'll give him

00:40:21.580 35 grand, he'll put this condo at Las Palmas. Oh yeah. You know, yeah. Up for. I probably

00:40:27.800 thrashed your place. Me too. Me too. Sneaking into those pools and stuff. I went out there one time

00:40:33.620 and the cops came and me and Trevor, you know, Trevor passed away. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I mean,

00:40:38.020 i went to high school i know yeah i love him dude i miss him so uh there was four of two girls and

00:40:43.060 two guys and there was like 10 of us but me and trevor run to that little waterfall with me and

00:40:48.040 him and a couple girls and the cops come side note and he did one of the girls takes off running and

00:40:54.040 i'm like trevor i'm like hey just go underwater just go underwater and hold your breath it's dark

00:40:58.280 in this cave and so we all three hold our breath and we're sitting there and all of a sudden i pop

00:41:03.060 up and the girl's hanging from the fence you know i had spikes on top she caught her pants 0.99

00:41:07.540 and was hanging upside down like her her thongs hanging out you know pulled her pants up and a 1.00

00:41:12.360 cop's like hey what you doing and she's like ah my friends are in the pool you're like oh yeah

00:41:19.220 dude that's so many good stories up there but yeah it's funny to go so he puts this up for collateral

00:41:24.480 again this was a huge one where my grandpa was like do not do it red flag he must you know like

00:41:30.300 this is this feels fishy what did you put up his collateral did you say he put up he put the condo

00:41:35.240 up as collateral and i gave him 35 cash oh got it okay and the condo was for his loan for the

00:41:40.920 restaurant yeah okay and his condo was worth probably 90 at the time okay and i but the thing

00:41:46.480 is is my grandpa was like don't do it don't do it i had like four days to do the deal and i'm like

00:41:52.400 and my grandpa's like that's weird that's something's wrong and i'm like he said he found

00:41:57.020 a space and he wants to jump on it and so i got a lawyer i called the lawyer i'm like can you check

00:42:01.840 and see if there's any liens i got a equity title in st george to um facilitate the payment so i

00:42:08.660 got it and i told him i says hey this is 2500 for the lawyer lawyer and the setup of this

00:42:14.720 it's coming out of your 35 grand so i'll give you 32.5 you're paying for this i'm first lien

00:42:20.740 holder on your property yeah done and then a month later he called up and says hey if you'll give me

00:42:26.560 another 30, you can have the condo. Really? And so I had 50, I needed 65. Just my grandpa ended

00:42:33.620 up loaning me five grand. I paid him six grand a year later. So he would give me a $5,000 loan

00:42:38.400 for a $6,000 20% return in 12 months, 12 months. He was going to do it for free. And I didn't want

00:42:43.780 family to be like, Oh, grandpa, you know, helped you, which he did, but I wanted it to be business.

00:42:49.840 And so I got my first condo and it happened to be an Airbnb. And I didn't even know what that was.

00:42:53.980 that's again you know 12 years ago yeah and so um that just started it right so i got that one

00:43:01.640 um i owned it free and clear and then uh we had a tenant below us that was smoking it was a

00:43:06.700 non-smoking property our property's an airbnb and they were complaining and so i your tenants

00:43:13.340 so i called that land i says hey can somebody find out who owns this property it was an old

00:43:17.620 lady living in it below you yeah and you know joe schumacher i do know joe yeah so i i he had been

00:43:23.200 my landlord for my business for a decade yeah so i'm like hey can somebody find out who owns this

00:43:28.220 because the lady doesn't that's smoking and they're like joe schumacher and i'm like dude i

00:43:31.960 know joe so i called joe and i'm like hey man can i buy this from you i don't have any cash

00:43:36.740 i don't have you know 100 grand at the time but would you want to finance it he's like dude for

00:43:41.300 sure he's like i've been wanting to kick her out she's miserable and she breaks all my rules but i

00:43:45.380 i can't but if you change ownership you can and so let's do it so i gave him 20 grand down 20

00:43:53.540 down and he owner financed it and then once that happened i was like oh light bulb people will do

00:43:58.400 this i didn't even know it was a concept right 15 years ago now it's everywhere other people's money

00:44:02.480 opm yep but i didn't know at the time i just stumbled into it and so then i started sending

00:44:08.100 letters to every person in las palmas that had a one bedroom and i says hey listen my name's rick

00:44:15.040 i messed up i lost everything this is my story i've got a you know newborn kid he's a year old

00:44:20.020 and i have a reference so i'm like joe you write me a letter let me pay you payments for like three

00:44:26.420 or four months and then if i'm not late if i'm good yeah write a letter recommendation so he

00:44:31.040 wrote a letter and i says here's my letter about how i'm trying to change my life if you'd be a

00:44:35.060 part of my story and help me out i would be eternally grateful this is in the recession

00:44:38.880 still building out of the recession right but people couldn't sell stuff yeah people are

00:44:42.700 struggling to but they can't sell or they'll take it was coming out of it but it was still not great

00:44:46.860 right and so i says if you'll give me an opportunity i'll give you 20 percent down

00:44:50.840 if i default keep my 20 grand i'm going to remodel it i gave gina five grand to remodel

00:44:55.720 which is nothing but that's what uncle grant said don't go put 100 grand into it

00:44:59.480 make it livable because these people are just going to tear it apart yeah paint the walls put

00:45:04.300 in some new carpet call it good and i started that and over the course of i bought it was funny

00:45:10.060 I tell people the first one took me four years. I bought like three more over the next three years.

00:45:15.520 And the last two years, I bought four more. And the last two, I wrote a check.

00:45:20.340 Just free and clear.

00:45:21.420 $125,000. They weren't crazy expensive. They're $300,000 now.

00:45:24.960 Right.

00:45:26.120 But I wrote a check. And so at the end of, so it's six years in, right? I was right at six years,

00:45:34.120 New Year's Eve, 2015. I went to Gina and I'm like, hey, we have eight condos. They're paid off.

00:45:40.060 they're making they were netting me twelve hundred dollars if i hired a property manager i'd run that

00:45:45.440 math and i'm like that's uh 9600 bucks we're close we're 400 bucks away and i went to my dad at the

00:45:52.800 time he was my partner and i said hey in my other you know half a dozen companies and i says i'm

00:45:56.880 gonna leave and go travel the world and he's like okay when you coming back and i says never i don't

00:46:01.360 know and he's like no that's not what i signed up for and i says listen the people that i put in

00:46:06.440 place. I'd been working on eliminating my role over the course of the last five years. I had to

00:46:12.360 speed it up because I wasn't thinking it was going to happen that fast. The last year I got real

00:46:15.960 aggressive. But I told my dad, I says, I think this is okay. I think it'll be fine. He may not,

00:46:20.880 Spencer may not kill it, but he's not going to mess it up. We're going to get a return.

00:46:25.000 And he says, no. And I says, okay, what do you want? He says, give me a condo and I'll walk away.

00:46:30.540 And I says, you're making a mistake. This is going to be bigger than a condo, but if you want

00:46:34.380 that I'll do it so I gave him a condo so now I went from 9600 down to 8400 but you still have

00:46:40.200 the business more ownership in the business more ownership in the business so then I went to

00:46:44.560 Spencer and I says hey listen I'm gonna leave I think we can do it on 8600 I think we're close

00:46:49.340 and he was like can I buy ownership and I was like cool I didn't even think about it right you

00:46:54.700 know I'm like you want ownership he's like yeah I've been here four or five years I see the

00:46:57.660 opportunity and I says cool I need 1400 bucks to really close that gap I says I'll sell it

00:47:04.340 you give me a down payment small amount i didn't charge him any interest because i wanted him to

00:47:08.420 um won't be able to do it right yeah and his payment was i think a thousand bucks

00:47:14.180 and so now i'm back at 9400 i'm like that's close enough let's go and so in march of 2017 we left

00:47:20.280 and uh over that time my partners of adexed my net worth um again through their efforts and then me

00:47:29.240 taking that money that i've made from my airbnbs and and the company dividends and putting it into

00:47:34.060 other businesses other real estate you know elevation 40 that i bought so yeah man it's

00:47:40.940 pretty wild it's pretty wild to think because i think what a lot of people do is they'll they'll

00:47:44.780 look at they'll look at your story but they'll only look at the results and they won't look at

00:47:48.460 what happened in 2008 and 2009 almost almost 20 years ago and they'll be like well i want that

00:47:53.500 and it's like i've even i have a couple of investments six figure investments in some

00:48:00.160 businesses. And I was looking at some of the documentation yesterday and it's like, you know,

00:48:05.740 it's frustrating when things aren't paying out the way that you want. But one of the businesses

00:48:09.340 sent some sort of letter. I'm not great at this stuff, but they sent me a letter and they said,

00:48:13.240 here's, here's what we made last year. Here's what we made this year. They've already doubled

00:48:17.060 revenue in the first six months of business. And then next year they're on track to four times

00:48:21.560 revenue. And I'm like, well, I won't get a dime of this for four years. And I'm sitting here like

00:48:26.860 frustrated because i'm like i don't have my money but i'm like actually i do it's coming right

00:48:31.900 somebody else yeah somebody else is working for me right now it'll come and i don't have to do

00:48:37.860 anything right and it's coming the way it's coming and it may take two years five years ten years but

00:48:43.140 that way hopefully the way it's getting bigger with every year and when it comes in you're going

00:48:47.320 to be like dude game over yeah i mean i hope that's the goal you hope but i think people aren't

00:48:51.920 willing to take that risk they just want to do like like your uh your grandpa was saying is just

00:48:57.920 be be safe play the easy route get the gold rolex when you retire and again i don't i don't know

00:49:04.320 that there's anything wrong with that i mean i have i have friends who are school teachers and

00:49:08.320 police officers um other uh executives in the corporate environment who have wonderful lives

00:49:15.980 but it's just not for everybody well and i would push back on that and i would say uh it should be

00:49:21.420 for everyone even though i have it too my mom was a school teacher and in the school for for 40 years

00:49:27.700 and she enjoyed it she loved it but there's a difference between having to go work and wanting

00:49:35.160 to go work and so that's the difference i would say that's where i would push back is yeah if

00:49:38.860 you're a police officer and you love it good for you but live below your means you can cut some 0.93

00:49:44.280 shit something over here and go invest in a rental property go invest in a side business go start a 0.97

00:49:50.160 side business and get some passive income and close that gap. You know, if you want to be a 0.97

00:49:57.540 police officer at 60 because you love it, good for you. But there's a difference between like

00:50:02.520 right now I'm back, right? I've been back. I've traveled for nine years. Yeah. I got back in

00:50:06.800 February and I bought 60 more acres. I'm adding three more Airbnbs to my portfolio. I told you

00:50:13.340 I bought and have started six new businesses in the last six months. And now I'm a partner in

00:50:19.160 real business owners right right um i don't have to work i don't have to do any of that i literally

00:50:24.920 told gina last uh it was funny this is what i was going to say a minute ago was when we were in

00:50:28.680 porto portugal a year and a half ago i was out to dinner with her and i'm going through my finances

00:50:34.680 and i'm like holy cow i have zero debt zero debt to my name um and i was like we won the game i

00:50:44.180 that's the moment literally took eight years but as i looked at gina and i says hey babe i think 0.78

00:50:49.320 we've won the game like we don't have to really stress unless we're idiots but i'm like you can 0.90

00:50:55.180 get a glass of wine now with dinner the kids can get a soda with dinner which we had it right yeah 0.96

00:51:01.360 and she's like really sweet she's like loving life but um but there was that realization where

00:51:08.820 we had made it right we'd quote i couldn't spend i wouldn't spend i could but i wouldn't spend what 0.84

00:51:14.080 we were making without just being a total idiot i mean my my bills and my expenses were like you 0.88

00:51:21.420 know 10x apart and so but that's what i would tell people is what was really weird about traveling 0.98

00:51:27.700 for the last nine years is when you're out there on the road all the time and you're on these cruises

00:51:31.960 and you're on these you know we're road tripping australia for a year we road tripped europe for

00:51:35.900 two years blah blah blah 88 countries right 88 countries all 50 states um we went hard

00:51:42.900 but between august and may it is it is eye-opening how few young people you see yeah everybody's

00:51:53.940 70 65 70 80 and you know they're out on the great barrier reef and me and the kids are jumping in

00:52:01.700 and we're swimming with sea turtles and we're diving down and you have these old people that 0.97

00:52:05.940 are in walkers and you know a little flotation they're doing it bless their heart yeah but 0.99

00:52:10.640 Like they're not living the way they could have 23 years earlier.

00:52:13.380 Yeah, it's different to travel at 75 than at 35.

00:52:16.420 Right.

00:52:16.920 And so that's where I would tell people is don't fill yourself with this narrative of I'm a police officer and I enjoy it.

00:52:24.320 And there's nothing wrong with that.

00:52:25.880 There isn't.

00:52:27.440 But they're also, I'm telling you, freedom and time with your family when you choose.

00:52:32.960 You can still be a police officer and rich.

00:52:35.660 but to have that freedom i cannot express enough how uh how it feels yeah i cannot express it

00:52:45.520 to go from working thousands of days in a row missing all those all those years of my wife

00:52:50.840 and my kids and birthdays and christmases to go from not missing a second for nine years

00:52:56.400 i am the perfect person to ask what is the difference and it is it is one million percent

00:53:04.040 worth it. It is worth not buying that new shirt, but that's where you got to get that goal. You

00:53:09.980 got to sit down with your spouse and your goals are going to look different. If it's like, hey,

00:53:13.980 you know, I don't want to travel. I hate sleeping in other people's beds. I like going to the gym

00:53:17.620 in my town. Then that's cool. That's cool. But it's like, okay, so, but have the freedom to be

00:53:23.120 like, I want to be a police officer six hours a day, not 12. I don't want to work the graveyard.

00:53:27.280 I want to work in the day. Right. I want to be able to take the time off to go to my kid's football

00:53:31.100 game. What is that number? And it's like, man, three grand a month, passive income would make

00:53:36.540 it to where that's possible. Then go hustle and do that. But, but most people I think just don't

00:53:42.740 have a goal. And this was me. I'm speaking as my, as for myself, you know, fell the plan plan to

00:53:49.300 fell. Right. Like before we were just spending money. Cause we just, it was coming in and we're

00:53:54.120 like, let's let it go out. But once we had that $10,000 a month, passive income goal, it was

00:53:59.320 amazing and it's and the conversations before that were gina why are you getting your hair done it's

00:54:04.000 250 bucks you're bad with money you're bad with money f you rick you know i take care of the you

00:54:09.640 know i'm gonna have kids but i take care of the home whatever and after that when i lost my ego 0.64

00:54:16.540 and i had been humbled by losing everything i grabbed her hand and i said what do we want

00:54:21.620 what do we want and she's like i'm like how about freedom and to travel the world and she's like i'm

00:54:26.940 man. Let's go. And I said, okay, now listen, the faster we do this, the harder we go.

00:54:34.960 You know, like if you want to lose 20 pounds, you can lose 20 pounds in 10 years, or you can

00:54:38.540 lose 20 pounds in 30 days. Right. Which is depending on how hard you want to go, which

00:54:42.080 how hard is it? We want to go. And so I said, listen, how hard do we want to go? And she's

00:54:45.740 like, let's go hard. Yeah. And I'm like, really? And she says, yeah. And so I remember a few years

00:54:49.820 into it, we had 20 grand in the bank and she would walk along. She's like, oh my gosh, look

00:54:54.160 at that shirt and I says get it get it and she says no that's two hours of your time away from

00:55:00.940 our goal and I'm like whoa you know I eat cold chills it's like whoa we're on the right path

00:55:05.880 yeah but you but what was cool was it started getting addictive to be honest like I started

00:55:10.800 getting all this money all this uh yeah I was so into saving and I actually had a conversation with

00:55:16.640 my grandpa because my grandpa says he he had millions of dollars in the bank and he wanted a

00:55:21.260 a four-door jeep and it's like i found him he used one it was like 20 grand and he wouldn't buy it

00:55:26.700 he bought a two-door jeep for like eight and i says why'd you get that and he's like i just

00:55:30.300 but he had that lack mindset right and and saving mindset and that was the moment where i was like

00:55:36.180 okay i gotta be careful because what's gonna happen is i'm gonna taste my tail

00:55:41.420 when's enough enough i had set it at 10 and when i hit 10 i was like i'm literally remember being

00:55:47.300 like if we had 15 we could stay at the marriott yeah we could fly first class and i'm like no

00:55:52.620 i would rather be with my kids in a shitty hotel than lose five more years of my life 0.98

00:55:57.680 to try to stay in the marriott my kids do not give a shit about first class what are they going to 0.98

00:56:03.480 compare it to they haven't exactly well i think the part i think part of the problem too is that 0.81

00:56:07.660 we live in this world of consumerism where it's like you know i've got you know much i've got a

00:56:12.440 couple of trucks out there one's a 99 toyota tacoma i bought in 2000 yep so i've had it for

00:56:16.840 a quarter of a century and it runs like a champ i love it i've got my uh three-quarter ton gmc

00:56:22.680 uh it's a 2015 it's got 280 000 miles on it and i'll drive down the road and i'm like

00:56:29.320 oh there's the new gmc and it's lifted and it's black and it's awesome and i'm like

00:56:35.620 so why don't you why don't you get it why don't you get it because i know your financial situation

00:56:40.220 yeah what do you i don't want to spend 90 grand on a car that i have but i also have a goal my

00:56:46.320 goal is to buy ranch in montana i love that's so that's what that's so that's what i was going to

00:56:50.160 say is you probably have something bigger totally than that yeah because if i go spend let's say 90

00:56:57.680 grand and i can go spend 90 grand but let's say i go spend 90 grand on this truck and you know you

00:57:05.200 you can do the rule of 72, right?

00:57:08.180 And so let's just say hypothetically,

00:57:09.520 if you're getting a decent rate of return,

00:57:11.040 it doubles over 10 years, let's say,

00:57:13.360 you know, there's 180 grand

00:57:15.500 towards a ranch in Montana.

00:57:19.160 Which is probably, you know,

00:57:20.960 a couple of years of effort and time

00:57:22.860 that you're going to lose.

00:57:24.500 And so that's where I think

00:57:26.980 you have that big 10-year goal,

00:57:29.120 five-year goal, whatever it is now,

00:57:30.380 you know, but you had that big 10-year goal

00:57:31.980 at some point.

00:57:32.580 and when you start realizing that every decision takes you closer or further and you're united in

00:57:39.560 your home that's a big one if your wife's outspending or you're outspending that's not fair

00:57:44.480 i mean fortunately and unfortunately i don't have to worry about that side of things right for sure

00:57:48.980 and unfortunately i want to make sure i say that for sure because there's downsides too oh 100

00:57:52.760 yeah um but when you do get united whether you're uh you know whatever your situation is

00:57:57.940 um and you start going what's what what started to get cool was in the beginning it was embarrassing

00:58:03.240 like i used to tell people i sold my house i sold my car because you didn't want i was embarrassed

00:58:09.180 i'm 20 i'm 30 years old and i failed and i told my friends and family like i sold it it did get

00:58:15.680 sold it was short sold you know my truck did get sold for 17 yeah 100 i was just me trying to but

00:58:23.860 but after four or five years i still had nothing i still was broke or not broke but i was growing

00:58:30.160 out of it but i wasn't in a great situation and people had no idea like when brian grabbed my

00:58:34.780 receipt right he still thought i was broke i was in a pretty good situation but what became my

00:58:39.560 mantra after that and it was more inside my home because you pull up to a stoplight in a thousand

00:58:43.780 dollar truck was which is what i drove and i had 50 grand in the bank everybody looking at me he's 0.97

00:58:48.520 like dude who's this broke piece of shit you know like he's made bad life choices and it's like i 0.98

00:58:53.640 don't care what any of you think i don't you know that intersection that intersection all everybody 0.99

00:58:59.220 looking and they're all looking across at the big jacked up truck that's a thousand dollar payment

00:59:03.220 and they're nine out of ten times nine out of ten times it's like oh look at that guy he's

00:59:09.180 successful and it's like go dive into his world i will put right now i will put my bank account

00:59:14.560 against nine out of ten people cash in my bank account and you've seen where i live yeah right

00:59:20.720 yeah i live in i even questioned it yeah and i'll pull it up right now it's i live in a 1200

00:59:26.280 square foot house because my parents wife's parents own it and it's basically been a storage

00:59:32.060 unit for nine years now we're gonna move because you know we're we're a family of six it's a three

00:59:37.220 bedroom yeah i can afford it like there's a point in time where you're you you can't be you know

00:59:42.760 that way but for the last nine years it's been a 1200 square foot house we sleep in it 80 20 20

00:59:48.480 percent of the of the year my cars you've seen my cars i just bought a gladiator a couple years ago

00:59:53.360 but i'm very frugal i still am very frugal because i'm going to go build a 10 million dollar airbnb

01:00:00.120 compound which you know about you've been there and that's what it's going to be and it's going

01:00:04.220 to be generational wealth and it's going to take me a year and a half if it was going to take me

01:00:08.180 20 years i wouldn't do it and that's where me and gina had that conversation right can we live this

01:00:12.060 way a little bit longer and and really change our kids lives yeah and she said yeah let's go

01:00:19.040 and but i i i guarantee you in a couple i like i like nice things oh i've always wanted a

01:00:24.540 lamborghini i test drove one in february and i'm like nope i just i just wanted to fill it drive

01:00:29.880 it see if i fit in it yeah which probably not yeah it's tight i'm like they don't even have

01:00:34.000 back seats but i'm like how do you get this yeah it was tight i managed it wouldn't be fun for a

01:00:38.760 on drive but but i'll buy a lamborghini at some point yeah but it'll be cash it'll be three or

01:00:45.000 four years old and you know from some guy that had it in his garage and i told gina the day that i buy

01:00:50.540 a lamborghini i'm gonna pull up to the gas station i'm gonna pay cash for it i'm gonna pull up to the

01:00:55.180 gas station i'm gonna put regular unleaded in that sucker i'm gonna go inside get a slurpee and a 1.00

01:01:00.040 and a bag of you know popcorn doritos i'm gonna come out i'm gonna hood slide that bitch and i'm 1.00

01:01:06.200 going to jump in and it's going to be a tuesday you know because i can afford it and it's not 1.00

01:01:11.660 coming out on the weekends i'm not going to wash it like i'm going to put a hundred thousand miles

01:01:15.700 on that thing you're probably going to end up buying it from some kid who me right somebody

01:01:21.260 i think about that all the time somebody's got my forty thousand dollar job dodge that they bought

01:01:26.880 for 17 that's the key that's the thing and that's what gets cool is when you have cash you can take

01:01:31.560 take so much um there's so much advantage yeah right the guy with the gold makes the rule i think

01:01:37.460 but well i also think people have this negative connotation of money because it's been ingrained

01:01:41.920 into us like your grandpa had a little bit of it right it's like this scarcity mindset um

01:01:47.540 you know and people people even more so because we see this growing wave of of socialism and

01:01:53.580 communism is like anybody with money must have screwed somebody over yeah as opposed to anybody

01:01:59.260 with money, not anybody, but those with money, typically it's because they've added an immense

01:02:04.400 amount of value into other people's lives. And I wish more people understood that.

01:02:10.320 There's two ways. There is, but... But yeah, I think you're right. It's either one,

01:02:13.000 usually one or the other. I think the majority of them added value. Me too.

01:02:16.360 Now you might say, well, I don't like the way they're doing it. Well, you don't get to decide

01:02:19.680 for other people. Right. Like you don't get to decide how I spend my money. No. And I don't get

01:02:23.540 to decide how you spend your money. No. If you ask and I mentor you, that's a different thing,

01:02:27.340 but I still can't decide right you still get to make your decisions yeah and that's I just did a

01:02:31.180 podcast for a general business owners with Woody uh Spin and Nick which you know yeah they've been

01:02:35.880 my partners for 12 uh 10 and or 14 12 and 8 years and um I wanted them on the podcast because a lot

01:02:44.980 of people I think you know a lot of coaches and stuff are kind of facades you know they buy their

01:02:49.160 Lambo with your coaching money you know and things like that and haven't really um lived the life and

01:02:53.860 so I had them on there and I wanted people to understand these are real people and like I said

01:02:58.700 they 8x'd my net worth because I they we 8x'd theirs right you did it together I sold them

01:03:07.500 ownership all three of them right they took the ball at this yard line and they ran it to this

01:03:12.560 yard line because now they're carrying their part of their ball so they put more energy and effort

01:03:16.580 into it and the tide lifted all boats yeah and it's a beautiful thing to sit around a table with

01:03:21.900 these three men and they're like, thank you, Rick. Thank you. This is awesome. I wouldn't be where

01:03:25.440 I'm at, you know? And it's like, thank you. I look right back at him and I'm like, thank you for

01:03:30.300 letting me and my family travel for nine years while you took care of my baby, which it was my

01:03:35.040 baby is my baby. I'm still a part owner of it. Um, thank you. And it's a mutual, mutually, you

01:03:41.900 know, uh, respected agreement. Just yeah. Reciprocal. Yeah. Reciprocal. Um, dude, I really

01:03:47.720 appreciate all of, I mean, I appreciate our friendship, but also just what I've learned

01:03:50.840 from you because we have some different personalities in the way we run things and um you know i but i

01:03:56.240 love it because it gives me a new perspective so let the guys know where to connect with you where

01:04:00.060 to learn more about uh what you're up to and then also i'll tell the guys we've got our men's forge

01:04:04.780 coming up um april shoot 12 through the 15th yeah uh no like 20 i can't remember i don't know either

01:04:14.600 23rd 22nd somewhere in there end of april yeah end of april uh the men's forge rick you're going

01:04:20.020 to be out there speaking, presenting, breaking bread with the guys. That's one thing that we do

01:04:24.380 differently with our events is like, you're not going to come in and just speak for an hour and

01:04:28.500 then bail on your, you're there, you're doing the activities, you're doing the events, you're at

01:04:34.340 lunch, at dinners, talking with the guys, sharing wisdom with them. So check that out. The Men's

01:04:39.500 Forge, you're going to be there speaking, which I'm really excited about. I'm nervous, man. I'm

01:04:42.160 nervous. You are? Why? You're going to do awesome. Just tell your story. I will. And again, I want

01:04:47.220 to, I want to say two things. I want to say thank you. Cause I wouldn't, I don't, I was thinking

01:04:51.460 about this on the drive over here. I don't, I wouldn't be, uh, you've mentored me not even

01:04:57.340 knowing it, but, uh, with order of man, you know, seeing the lives that you've changed and seeing

01:05:02.220 the community you have and what you've built. Uh, what really changed my life is when you invited

01:05:09.520 me out to Hawaii six years ago, right at the last minute, uh, you know, a week before I was

01:05:13.840 already heading to alaska rearranged my schedule because i knew you were hanging out with powerful

01:05:17.620 men and it changed my life and i talk about that everywhere i go uh ryan mickler invited me on this

01:05:24.660 trip and i was around brandon lily and sean villalobos and scott davis and it was a small

01:05:29.680 group then um but that really set me on this path of find your people find good people find you know

01:05:37.420 uh men was for me that was the difference was men who hunt um that was the activity that brought us

01:05:44.360 together i can golf i can do all the other things but just good fathers good husbands

01:05:47.620 and i want to thank you for making that call i know it was just filling a spot but um the life

01:05:53.940 you've led i know it hasn't been perfect and i know you've uh you know talked about that and

01:05:57.660 shared that but now being a part of real business owners and you open yourself up and you go on

01:06:02.080 podcasts this is new to me to be a coach and a mentor i don't even like the word coach but

01:06:06.360 try to influence people and just to really, I'm really here to change lives. I'm not trying to

01:06:10.440 make money. I'm not trying to, it's not a business. And I know you're the same way, you know, it's

01:06:14.240 like, you're trying to change your life, which it does. Yeah. And then, and then help others along

01:06:19.720 the way. And so I just want to say, thank you for starting Order Man, inviting me on all these

01:06:25.020 trips, you know, Minnesota, Hawaii, we went to Alaska last year together. Costa Rica. I mean,

01:06:29.780 we've been all over. Costa Rica. Yeah. And so I want people, yeah, Africa. We've been all over

01:06:33.500 the world again yeah yeah and so i want people out there listening that are like oh the forge

01:06:37.600 you know that sounds fun it's you know thousand two thousand bucks depending on the package you

01:06:41.080 buy but man the couple it cost me six grand i remember to read to change my flights and and

01:06:48.100 my family trip to alaska i lost all that money basically and then i i bought a couple thousand

01:06:52.100 dollar package to come to hawaii and if you came to me right now and said hey we'll give you a

01:06:57.540 hundred grand and you could you know have a hundred grand and you could just that all would go away

01:07:02.760 that whole trip and all the connections and memories and all the little veins that that's

01:07:07.740 led into my life you couldn't touch that with a checkbook yeah and so people that are listening

01:07:12.740 where the rubber meets the road for me is live events like you can listen to this podcast good

01:07:18.280 for you you're doing something but take action that's where people fail like right like what

01:07:24.020 does my thing say refuse to settle yeah right take action go buy your ticket go come get on a plane

01:07:31.020 fly there it will change your life if you go with the right mentality if you go like oh i'm gonna

01:07:37.000 i'm like i'm going and i'm scared and it's going to be scary to get up on stage but i promise you

01:07:41.920 i'll be on stage whether i have a heart attack on stage or not we're doing this which would kind

01:07:45.360 of make it it would be cool you fake it it might happen naturally i got a heart condition um you

01:07:51.340 know as long as i got my milk i should be all right but it's funny i actually was i was getting

01:07:54.620 after my guys and i did you get nervous no um not really sorry i don't want to no i don't i don't

01:08:00.460 think i get too nervous anymore just because i know i mean i've done it enough i have a little

01:08:05.780 bit of imposter syndrome you know which i know but if you just share your story you're not being

01:08:09.880 an imposter exactly i'm just telling my story but i told these guys like we put together a hunt in

01:08:14.400 martha's vineyard for guys in the iron council and it's exclusive to those guys and i put it

01:08:18.740 out there and like two people are like yeah maybe i'll go and i'm like look guys i did a video last

01:08:24.220 week and i'm like look this is a free hunt okay you're gonna go spend time with nine other guys

01:08:30.720 in the iron council and i told him the story of when colin cottrell who you know called me up and

01:08:37.160 he's like hey ryan like he was just a fan a listener of the podcast at the time and he's like

01:08:42.800 hey man like how would you be interested in hunting and i'm like i mean yeah it sounds cool

01:08:46.980 but that's where wayne gets pissed yeah yeah yeah he was second if he's listening he was second you

01:08:52.340 dated it. I saw the receipts. And so, um, yeah, he calls me on your life. And I was like, dude,

01:09:00.700 I don't, I would like to, but I've never been hunting. He's like, well, I know that's why I'm

01:09:05.820 inviting you. And I'm like, yeah, but I don't have a gun or a bow. He's like, yeah, go buy one. Like

01:09:10.720 they're available. I'm like, yeah, well shit. Uh, okay. Yeah. And I did. And I went out the first 1.00

01:09:18.080 day shot a shot a nice deer he's upstairs um with my rifle and then two or three days later shot one

01:09:23.800 with my bow and it changed my life it's changed the course of your life and it cost me a thousand

01:09:30.960 bucks maybe for a ticket and some food and a license yeah in texas abilene texas like this

01:09:37.220 little hole in the wall place in texas and i told the guys that story i'm like look like i know some

01:09:43.240 you don't know how to hunt. That's the point of doing new things. And so we've got actually three

01:09:48.640 guys who have never bow hunted before coming out. One of them just bought a bow yesterday. Another

01:09:54.480 one's got a friend who's going to lend him a bow. I'm like, this is what it takes to be successful

01:09:58.860 is for you to say yes. When every part of you is saying, I don't know or no, is you say yes.

01:10:05.820 And that's it. That's the, that's the, um, you know, people that are listening and it's like,

01:10:09.800 because what did i tell you when you told me that i'm like do you have a spot open yeah yeah exactly

01:10:13.580 and you're like no and i'm like well if you do i'll pay you and you're like it's free and i'm

01:10:16.280 like i'll buy your flight i don't care like i because i know what the value of that will be

01:10:20.580 like take the hunting out of it yeah go hang out with 10 cool dudes for a weekend on martha's

01:10:25.740 vineyard you know martha stewart's island right yeah exactly yeah and i thought so um but it's

01:10:31.660 like but that's where i want people listening to realize that the reason me and you are in

01:10:35.920 the position we're in is because we say, yes, we do it. We, I was telling people this other day,

01:10:42.700 because with RBO, right, it's a membership, right? Like order man. And I says, imagine that you are

01:10:48.560 paying, paying an employee to help, to change your, to change your life and your business

01:10:52.840 for each month. And I'm like, imagine that you're paying this membership and it changes your life

01:10:59.520 in, in life and business. Cause we do, we do it all. I'm like, what is that worth? Like you to

01:11:04.900 put a financial or a monetary you know number on that I think that when you think of an employee

01:11:10.800 it's like I'm paying them to go install cabinets but to pay order man to influence your health

01:11:17.260 and your mind and your marriage and your body like we just people don't think they don't see

01:11:24.900 the return necessarily and it's like I'm telling you right now you will get a return if you go in

01:11:29.540 with the right attitude those guys that come out you cannot that cannot be a failure even if they

01:11:34.820 don't kill a deer who cares not at all but and so that's where um yeah i'm excited i'm excited for

01:11:40.220 the forge i'm nervous um now you'll do great tell us where to connect with you though okay so yeah

01:11:44.720 real business owners is uh so at real business owners on instagram facebook uh youtube uh and

01:11:51.620 if you want to look into that it's for business owners it's joinrbo.com and then m42 adventures

01:11:57.660 if you want to go i know you're coming out uh in july june yeah june next year while going to

01:12:02.780 hawaii and alaska with yeah yeah we gotta plan that out so if you want to come we do uh costa

01:12:07.840 rica i'm looking at that a fishing trip africa you did africa with us uh we did an order man

01:12:12.100 m42 collaboration um so yeah if you want to go on an adventure uh m42adventures.com or just

01:12:20.620 rick trimmer official i changed my instagram you did yeah no more one life so live no no

01:12:26.020 because people couldn't find you right so yeah they told me to change it they said you know one

01:12:30.840 nice still live they don't know so that they google your name enough yeah that's what i was

01:12:34.560 told whatever yeah rick trimmer official also buy so little hack and this is for everybody else

01:12:40.220 buy your kids like secure your kids instagram handles and facebook handles that's smart and

01:12:46.120 buy their domain name that's smart so i i own all of my kids domain names because they're saying

01:12:50.940 your name you know for a lot of us so for the ones who want to go there go there your name's

01:12:55.280 going to be your brand your business it's going to be for sure important even if even if you're

01:13:00.220 not an entrepreneur if you're a ceo you might be the ceo of a fortune 500 company but those ceos

01:13:07.340 they bounce around 100 like they might be there for seven years and then they'll go over this

01:13:11.680 company for three and then this company for two yeah it's not the it's not the brand it's your

01:13:16.420 name it's who you are yeah 100 well brother we'll sync it all up i appreciate you thanks for joining

01:13:20.380 us today and being my second in-person guest i love it it's gonna have you learn real business

01:13:24.640 owners. Yeah, let's do it. It's going to get cooler down here. So we're experimenting.

01:13:28.360 Dude, it's awesome, man. It's going to be fun. Well, and again, this is a perfect example of

01:13:32.060 people who think, you know, I got to build it out perfectly. Yeah. I got to like, that's what a lot

01:13:37.260 of my half a million dollars of debt was, was a big fancy delivery truck, a big $10,000 sign on

01:13:42.820 my business. Yeah. Dude, I took that $10,000 sign and it said in my garage for the entire recession.

01:13:49.420 right so it's like this is like this is a very successful podcast you've been doing it for 12

01:13:55.400 years but i love that this is real this is you're starting you're building it but you don't say oh

01:14:01.160 i can't do a podcast because it's not ready right you adapt i mean i bought that microphone last

01:14:06.100 week i love it i was like i'm gonna have a guest i gotta guess i gotta buy and you know i spent

01:14:10.720 500 bucks or whatever it was and it's like i didn't want to but you're building it as you go

01:14:14.480 still yeah and that's where i think people who are like you know with my businesses they always

01:14:18.180 my mom was like how do you have 18 businesses and i'm like first of all when i buy or start a

01:14:22.500 business i put people in place to run it i delegate but then it's going to grow it's going

01:14:27.320 to adapt it's i'm i understand that it's never finished order man will never be finished yeah

01:14:32.380 so sweet brother appreciate you brother all right we'll sync it all up yep thanks thanks

01:14:35.860 gentlemen there you go my conversation with my good friend and the one and only

01:14:40.200 rick trimmer i hope you enjoyed it as much as i do i love having conversations with this guy

01:14:44.780 We break bread together. We go on hunts together. We go on trips, family trips together,

01:14:50.100 and I always have a good time. And I always learn a lot too about myself and business and money and

01:14:55.220 everything else. So I'd highly encourage you to check out Real Business Owners, which is his

01:15:01.360 company. Connect with him on Instagram. Connect with me there while you're there as well. And

01:15:07.140 then also consider joining us at the Forge event the end of April. We talked about that in the

01:15:11.980 podcast. If you go to themensforge.com, that's themensforge.com, you can get registered and you

01:15:19.940 can meet Rick out there. You can meet me, Larry Hagner, Dwayne Noel, Connor Beaton, Kip Sorensen,

01:15:27.920 and a handful of other guys that we're working on getting out there. So if you go check it out,

01:15:33.280 again, you can do that at themensforge.com. Also go check out the preview call at

01:15:38.120 orderofman.com slash war room. We're going to be doing that August 19th at 8 PM. And I hope to

01:15:44.300 see you there. It's free and it's live and we're only doing it once again, orderofman.com slash

01:15:49.200 war room. All right, guys, we've got a very powerful AMA had some really good questions

01:15:54.660 this week for our ask me anything. So make sure you subscribe, leave your rating review,

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Order of Man - August 11, 2026

RICK TRIMMER ｜ Win the Game of Money

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