Pearl - June 18, 2026


What The Churches Taught Me

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In this episode, we are joined by author, speaker, and author of the book "Out of the Box Church" and host of the show "Out Of The Box Church: The New York Times Bestselling Author's Guide to Christian Wives" to discuss what the book says about conservative Christian women.

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00:00:00.000 What did those church interviews teach you about conservative women? 0.99
00:00:04.500 It's actually worse than I thought. 1.00
00:00:09.880 Yeah, it's worse than I thought. 1.00
00:00:12.860 Yeah, because I was going and expecting women to at least lie a little bit and say they obeyed their husbands, even though they probably don't. 1.00
00:00:23.580 uh but the majority of women um like their first answer is well i don't know about obey 0.99
00:00:30.300 and i'm thinking okay if that's your first answer then you don't even care about
00:00:34.960 like looking christian anymore that's how and your answer says you do know about obey and you've
00:00:41.400 rejected it yeah yeah because you know what i can tell women are full of it about obedience when 0.81
00:00:48.140 they speak too highly of it like submission because it's anybody it's like working out right 0.99
00:00:53.620 working out isn't fun and so if you just say oh it's so much fun it's like no working out is hard
00:01:00.280 but it's rewarding in the long run obeying and submission when i talk to women that have actually 0.95
00:01:06.760 done it they actually can talk in detail about their struggle with it because it's not fun when
00:01:13.340 you think you're right and you just have to listen to what he says but in the long run you're going
00:01:17.440 have more money your marriage is probably going to be better you're probably going to make better
00:01:22.320 decisions in the long run your life is going to be better all around um but in the moment it's
00:01:27.200 not like you know like let's say uh two parents the wife wants to send this kid to school a and
00:01:32.480 the the guy wants to send the kid to school b um it's not like in that moment when she wants to
00:01:38.880 send the kid to school a that she's excited to like send the kid to a different school but in
00:01:44.080 in the long run he's probably right you know what i mean i don't know if that makes sense yeah yes
00:01:47.500 it makes perfect sense um same question about conservative men what did the interviews show
00:01:54.040 you about them they're so bad oh you know what i was already kind of after your my interview um
00:02:00.580 with your friend caesar caesar i was already blackpilled on conservative women so that was
00:02:06.460 done for me, but, um, just the level of cowardice, like, you know, how can you say you fear God when
00:02:15.000 you fear my sign? Like you clearly have no fear of God because you're afraid of a volleyball player
00:02:22.080 with a microphone and an obey sign. So it was, it's, I don't, it just seems like the churches
00:02:29.320 today don't they don't teach courage because you know it's it takes a level of courage in this
00:02:36.900 society to say what you think regardless of the consequences but if you fear god you would so you
00:02:43.240 clearly um yeah you clearly don't so you fear women you don't fear god yeah and you know i've
00:02:51.440 seen this play out in protestant churches too a lot uh especially with men that are going through
00:02:57.860 a troubled marriage or going through a divorce, and watching the men in these churches, one,
00:03:06.120 circle up around the woman to defend her and blame the guy, just be an extension of the woman
00:03:13.620 blaming the guy, but actually telling the guy, you sort of need to bend over and take this,
00:03:19.360 because that's what Jesus wants you to do. And I've seen that happen dozens of times in my life,
00:03:25.760 and talk to men that it's happened to. I think there are Christian church-going men, and again,
00:03:34.560 I'll qualify, it's not all of them, but the level of cowardice in men in the church is just stunning
00:03:41.920 to me. They will not speak the truth. They will run off anybody who does. They'll chase a woman
00:03:48.360 out of the churchyard with a sign that's actually referencing Scripture because they don't want the
00:03:54.840 women to be offended by it uh it's blows my mind yeah um it's worse than i thought and the level
00:04:04.480 of cope when i would do these interviews some of the answers were clearly not answers because they
00:04:11.720 like if a woman says i obey him but only when he follows god that means that she doesn't obey him
00:04:18.620 And so many religious people I knew would look at this and say, oh, well, she's saying that she obeys him.
00:04:26.200 And I'm like, no, that's not what she's saying.
00:04:29.020 And there's nothing, you know, I'm certainly not a scriptural expert, but I don't believe as far as I've read that there's any scripture that says you obey him if he does this or that.
00:04:43.620 uh it's pretty cut and tried dried that they're supposed to obey yeah okay they always sorry no
00:04:54.820 you go ahead they always give the murder example you know they always say oh well what if he has
00:04:59.920 you kill someone i'm like well wouldn't it be kind of romantic if you went anyway like bonnie
00:05:03.640 And of course, leave it to them to come up with a preposterous example of yes, because so many husbands are telling their wives to go kill people for them, that we need to use that as an example. 0.93
00:05:20.320 If you get to heaven, just say, God, you said to listen. All right. I was doing what I was doing what you said.
00:05:25.360 I want all you men out there that are telling your wives to put on suicide vests
00:05:29.940 and walk into the mall to stop doing that because, good Lord.
00:05:37.340 Anyway, are churches telling men to lead or they're mostly telling men to serve women?
00:05:43.480 Oh, to serve women.
00:05:45.740 And serve the church, let's be honest. 0.54
00:05:49.860 um because you know even when i went to the the orthodox church ultimately they want the woman to
00:05:58.420 obey the pastor or the priest or the deacon they don't want the woman to obey the husband
00:06:03.860 so you're not teaching leadership if you're outsourcing it to the pastor
00:06:09.860 right yeah i think it's a lot of serve the church too and the the church is basically dictated by
00:06:16.980 women because pastors and ministers have become people that hear what the women want and then they
00:06:24.740 parrot that from the pulpit it's just so strong i mean do you want to make 15 or 85 when women
00:06:32.500 make 85 percent of consumer buying decisions honestly someone called into my show and said
00:06:38.980 the only church he's seen work are ones that meet at each other's houses and there's no overhead
00:06:44.340 costs um i can't speak to that i've never gone to one of those but that at least kind of makes sense
00:06:49.540 to me you know because it's like a small group you don't have to pay anybody there's a vested
00:06:56.500 interest in your wife being good people and your kids so kind of make sure yeah do you think
00:07:02.180 conservative men are being sold a bad deal in that all the obligations of traditional masculinity
00:07:08.180 with none of the respect or authority that, I mean, I know how you're going to answer that.
00:07:14.780 But that seems to be, that's my impression of a lot of the trad cons that I hear on social media,
00:07:23.600 promoting marriage, talking about marriage. It's all about men's obligations.
00:07:29.760 Yeah, but a lot of the young conservative men are just, they have such a, you know, I think a lot
00:07:36.140 of them society has kind of they've never really had the opportunity to be needed and have gotten
00:07:44.160 so little female validation and attention that they just crave it so hard that they'll sign up
00:07:49.680 for that bad deal a lot of them are going to i don't know the young conservative guys they're
00:07:55.560 just dying to be taking being i don't know why but it's almost like they're brainwashed i don't
00:08:01.860 know if you've talked to some of the young super christian guys it's like they want they just want 0.94
00:08:06.500 to marry a hoe so bad i don't know why like i don't know why well i think part of it is that 0.98
00:08:12.240 they think that's all they can get yeah and if you look at the landscape out there and again i'm not 0.99
00:08:19.680 here to say all women are like this i found a great woman and i know other people who have
00:08:25.120 but the preponderance of what's available to young men today is more abysmal than at any time in my 0.92
00:08:32.640 nearly 70 years of living i've never seen anything nearly this bad for young men so they're i think
00:08:40.140 they're taking what they think they can get yeah and that's that's one thing that i think has
00:08:45.720 blackpilled me is someone's always going to do it don't you don't have a revenge fantasy because
00:08:50.560 the porn star will find a husband i'm not saying she won't ruin it later she might but there might 1.00
00:08:55.600 be another taker even after that it's just they'll always be a taker i used to say no way that girl's
00:09:06.320 never gonna find a man that she would i color me shocked you know because unfortunately men will
00:09:17.200 take what they can get. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing that allows threes and fours with
00:09:23.620 sordid past and full of tats and piercings and a trashy history can actually still go out and get
00:09:32.460 a decent guy because he's not seeing anything better out there. Yeah, correct. Boy, pretty bad
00:09:40.060 for young men these days yeah totally i have to wonder why female pain is treated as a social
00:09:46.580 emergency while male pain is often treated as a personal failure that's a great question
00:09:53.600 um i don't know but that's that's a really good question because yeah when a guy cries
00:10:00.480 it's he's looked at as weak where if a woman cries um yeah i mean everyone says oh what's
00:10:08.300 wrong? Are you okay? Not get away, crazy woman. You know, I remember Tom Golden coming up with
00:10:15.120 this scenario talking about it, that if you see a young woman in the corner of a restaurant in a
00:10:21.600 booth crying to herself, the waitstaff will come over and check on her and people will look and
00:10:26.940 wonder if she's okay or if they can help. You put a guy in that same exact spot crying and people
00:10:34.140 are like you need to stay away from that guy uh he's weird yeah no that's really true well that's
00:10:42.260 the world we live in lucky guys yeah and men cry too it's it's usually for a good reason 0.96
00:10:52.060 where women it's stupid reasons we cry over everything 0.98
00:10:55.080 Thank you. 0.99