In this episode, we are joined by author, speaker, and author of the book "Out of the Box Church" and host of the show "Out Of The Box Church: The New York Times Bestselling Author's Guide to Christian Wives" to discuss what the book says about conservative Christian women.
00:00:12.860Yeah, because I was going and expecting women to at least lie a little bit and say they obeyed their husbands, even though they probably don't.1.00
00:00:23.580uh but the majority of women um like their first answer is well i don't know about obey0.99
00:00:30.300and i'm thinking okay if that's your first answer then you don't even care about
00:00:34.960like looking christian anymore that's how and your answer says you do know about obey and you've
00:00:41.400rejected it yeah yeah because you know what i can tell women are full of it about obedience when0.81
00:00:48.140they speak too highly of it like submission because it's anybody it's like working out right0.99
00:00:53.620working out isn't fun and so if you just say oh it's so much fun it's like no working out is hard
00:01:00.280but it's rewarding in the long run obeying and submission when i talk to women that have actually0.95
00:01:06.760done it they actually can talk in detail about their struggle with it because it's not fun when
00:01:13.340you think you're right and you just have to listen to what he says but in the long run you're going
00:01:17.440have more money your marriage is probably going to be better you're probably going to make better
00:01:22.320decisions in the long run your life is going to be better all around um but in the moment it's
00:01:27.200not like you know like let's say uh two parents the wife wants to send this kid to school a and
00:01:32.480the the guy wants to send the kid to school b um it's not like in that moment when she wants to
00:01:38.880send the kid to school a that she's excited to like send the kid to a different school but in
00:01:44.080in the long run he's probably right you know what i mean i don't know if that makes sense yeah yes
00:01:47.500it makes perfect sense um same question about conservative men what did the interviews show
00:01:54.040you about them they're so bad oh you know what i was already kind of after your my interview um
00:02:00.580with your friend caesar caesar i was already blackpilled on conservative women so that was
00:02:06.460done for me, but, um, just the level of cowardice, like, you know, how can you say you fear God when
00:02:15.000you fear my sign? Like you clearly have no fear of God because you're afraid of a volleyball player
00:02:22.080with a microphone and an obey sign. So it was, it's, I don't, it just seems like the churches
00:02:29.320today don't they don't teach courage because you know it's it takes a level of courage in this
00:02:36.900society to say what you think regardless of the consequences but if you fear god you would so you
00:02:43.240clearly um yeah you clearly don't so you fear women you don't fear god yeah and you know i've
00:02:51.440seen this play out in protestant churches too a lot uh especially with men that are going through
00:02:57.860a troubled marriage or going through a divorce, and watching the men in these churches, one,
00:03:06.120circle up around the woman to defend her and blame the guy, just be an extension of the woman
00:03:13.620blaming the guy, but actually telling the guy, you sort of need to bend over and take this,
00:03:19.360because that's what Jesus wants you to do. And I've seen that happen dozens of times in my life,
00:03:25.760and talk to men that it's happened to. I think there are Christian church-going men, and again,
00:03:34.560I'll qualify, it's not all of them, but the level of cowardice in men in the church is just stunning
00:03:41.920to me. They will not speak the truth. They will run off anybody who does. They'll chase a woman
00:03:48.360out of the churchyard with a sign that's actually referencing Scripture because they don't want the
00:03:54.840women to be offended by it uh it's blows my mind yeah um it's worse than i thought and the level
00:04:04.480of cope when i would do these interviews some of the answers were clearly not answers because they
00:04:11.720like if a woman says i obey him but only when he follows god that means that she doesn't obey him
00:04:18.620And so many religious people I knew would look at this and say, oh, well, she's saying that she obeys him.
00:04:26.200And I'm like, no, that's not what she's saying.
00:04:29.020And there's nothing, you know, I'm certainly not a scriptural expert, but I don't believe as far as I've read that there's any scripture that says you obey him if he does this or that.
00:04:43.620uh it's pretty cut and tried dried that they're supposed to obey yeah okay they always sorry no
00:04:54.820you go ahead they always give the murder example you know they always say oh well what if he has
00:04:59.920you kill someone i'm like well wouldn't it be kind of romantic if you went anyway like bonnie
00:05:03.640And of course, leave it to them to come up with a preposterous example of yes, because so many husbands are telling their wives to go kill people for them, that we need to use that as an example.0.93
00:05:20.320If you get to heaven, just say, God, you said to listen. All right. I was doing what I was doing what you said.
00:05:25.360I want all you men out there that are telling your wives to put on suicide vests
00:05:29.940and walk into the mall to stop doing that because, good Lord.
00:05:37.340Anyway, are churches telling men to lead or they're mostly telling men to serve women?