Candace Owens is a podcaster, radio host, podcaster and podcaster. She's also an anti-Israel crusader. And she's a woman who can't be criticized because she's not a racist or a white supremacist. So why does she have to be a racist and anti-racist?
00:00:00.000It is worth retelling the Candace Owens origin story, which is just bizarre.
00:00:05.880And I'll be brief here, but she did first come on the scene.
00:00:10.140I know everyone fixates on this and maybe blows it out of proportion.
00:00:13.460You know, it's like saying that Richard Spencer was once a snowboarder in the mid-1990s or something.
00:00:20.920You know, he listened to Green Day during that period, and we've got to fixate on this.
00:00:25.680But anyway, she was creating this doxing website that was seemingly a mechanical Turk in which you would put in someone's mean tweet or Facebook comment, and it would spit out his home address, which even the left, at least at that point, was like, whoa, obviously that could be misused for violent acts.
00:00:51.560So that's where she was coming from, and the left criticized her for that.
00:00:55.680And then she sort of ran into the arms of Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson, who was very influential at this point.
00:01:04.080And she was sort of the ex-Democrat, Blexit kind of thing of like, I left the left, or did the left leave me?
00:01:15.160She was a pioneer on that sort of anti-woke crusade of, I don't even understand the Democrats anymore.
00:01:22.200And Republicans just eating it up, loving it.
00:01:26.160And so she started out in that area, and I don't know how conspiratorial she would get, but you're talking with Alex Jones, just guilt by association right there.
00:01:36.380Then she goes to the Daily Wire, and she has this friendship with Charlie Kirk, which also, from the video she posted, seemed genuine.
00:01:45.340A weird friendship between a gay Mormon and a Jamaican woman.
00:01:53.300But she becomes this kind of neocon, and this attempt by Ben Shapiro and others to put her up as a golem or as a mouthpiece, as the black, young face of the establishment.
00:02:10.860And then she marries this very strange individual named George Farmer, former CEO of Parler, who is deeply connected with TPUSA, TPUK, a Catholic, Anglo-Catholic aristocrat of some kind.
00:02:28.680And this is just my theory, but he seems to be putting all of these ideas in her head.
00:02:36.040It strikes me as a kind of Bride of Frankenstein situation where you have this curious American black woman who sort of can't be criticized.
00:05:03.140I've come to like her in the last few days.
00:05:06.440I've been critical of hers because precisely of what you mentioned, you cannot do good journalism and mix it in with 99% crap conspiracy theories.
00:05:18.260You can't talk about the trap door under Charlie Kirk while also seriously raising serious questions of will the investigation be properly done on potential political links to Israel with Tyler Robinson.
00:05:33.140The thing is, the mix of it removes credibility, the mix of it loses, and her handling of evidence is weak.
00:05:42.380Sometimes it is misinterpretation of evidence.
00:05:44.940Sometimes it is misinterpretation of sentences.
00:05:48.700But you have to give it to her, though.
00:05:51.380She has waited up to October 6th to publish her strongest evidence.
00:05:58.520And I believe she's playing numbers here.
00:06:01.120I believe she has so much poison in her heart.
00:06:15.940Now, you have to imagine how much restraint it takes for someone who wants popularity, who has the greatest show on YouTube, to be withholding that evidence, which I was frustrated by.
00:06:37.780She did it in such a poisonous way that a man like mine cannot even conceive of this kind of dirty warmongering.
00:06:44.240I mean, there were even co-hosts of Tim Kass, the Sour Patch Lids, crying almost on her Twitter, saying, I can't believe she does that the day the 1,200 Jews died.
00:08:56.540And I think it helps contextualize him as a person, in my view, that he would attack me for telling the truth about the pressure that he was facing.
00:10:35.780Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes.
00:10:38.640I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice just to leave the pro-Israel cause.
00:10:45.600Just the stereotype comment here is fascinating because he's saying that he's making the realization that anyone on the so-called far right would have, which is I try to extend discussion with these Jews.
00:10:59.840They come at me with cognitively dissonant talking points.
00:12:05.060He does not want to be under extortion.
00:12:08.380Therefore, he has to withdraw from the extortion, withdraw from the bullying.
00:12:12.680But he is receiving money from people who expect him to submit himself to bullying.
00:12:18.200And so in his moral mind, he says, I cannot continue selling myself.
00:12:24.440I cannot continue accepting your money because you expect a service from me that I cannot deliver.
00:12:30.500Therefore, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause because you are sending me money on which you have expectations that I cannot deliver on.
00:12:39.660And therefore, it's a deceptive relationship.
00:12:45.500It's actually no comment about Israel so much, but the impossibility that has been created for him to continue in the economic relationship as it stands.
00:14:26.940He has no education outside of high school.
00:14:30.220And during recess or when other kids were playing sports, he was listening to Rush Limbaugh.
00:14:34.960You know, he's kind of, as someone put it, like skinny fat.
00:14:41.040He doesn't work out or play sports because he's just constantly podcasting or constantly reading the news or talking to someone in the conservative movement cause.
00:14:54.260Like, Charlie, I don't want you to be assassinated, but the kind of deification that we have seen over the past two weeks is absurd.
00:15:56.720And I'm painting with too broad a stroke.
00:15:59.320He's a golem of the Jews who became self-aware at some point, but not fully self-aware.
00:16:08.220Charlie, I get it, but you're just some dude working middle management at Target if you hadn't been somewhat haphazardly randomly chosen by the Jews.
00:16:25.300I mean, it's too broad a brush, but if the Jews hadn't decided that you were going to be their golem during the Trump era, like, that's why you exist.
00:18:17.840And everything you say there is exactly why it's a massively plausible explanation to think that there may have been Israeli terrorists getting rid of him.
00:18:32.740And because if he's nothing, he's not worth keeping alive.
00:18:36.800And yet, by staying alive, he may become someone.
00:18:40.960One thing I've learned interacting with Jewish power, with my own interactions with Jeff Epstein, they hate it when you promote yourself instead of the institution you're building.
00:18:51.900Because the institution is available to take over.
00:20:10.400So in a way, I've done my own Charlie Kirk moment in 2014.
00:20:16.660Charlie Kirk did it in that Telegram message where he said even more explicitly than I did then, I'm going to have to give up the pro-Israel cause.
00:21:04.580And I obviously think for myself, the thing that people hate is that I'm contrarian or he's a liberal or whatever.
00:21:12.240All that means is that I'm not on the team.
00:21:16.760And I do feel like I am more of a threat because of that than other people.
00:21:26.840And again, I'm not just engaging in self-flattery here.
00:21:31.180There are people in Charlie Kirk's orbit.
00:21:36.740I remember the Blake Neff character who was in Charlie Kirk's orbit who got sort of mini-canceled in 2018-ish for going on chat forums and being Hitler-y, basically.
00:21:50.120And all of those people have, in a way, said things that are more outrageous or said things that are equally outrageous that I've said on a larger platform.
00:22:05.300You know, like MLK was a sex fiend, which I don't even bother talking about it.
00:24:00.620They think you're a radical extremist.
00:24:04.940Even though I would suggest that just based on the level of superficial salaciousness, the conservative movement is more right wing than I am or you are.
00:24:20.180Like if you want to get just like crude racism or like personal attacks against AOC or whatever, you should go there.
00:24:44.040It's just a very interesting phenomenon that's worth dwelling upon.
00:24:48.760Yeah, I think there's been a huge split in the last 10 years of cognitive freedom.
00:24:55.660And there's just a bunch of people who have, and it's probably the default social mode of humanity to reject black sheeps.
00:25:03.860And, you know, you have these whole stories of scientists getting thrown down the roofs and people being eliminated just because they were ahead of their time.
00:25:13.680And, yeah, they really don't like free thought.
00:27:46.380Anyway, it's very interesting because what he's suggesting is that he gave those things to the government.
00:27:56.160I would presume the FBI who were investigating the case.
00:28:01.060And I don't know, maybe he even himself had some questions.
00:28:05.180That's curious that he would give them that screenshot, because otherwise that screenshot is unresponsive, irrelevant to Charlie Kirk's assassination.
00:28:14.720Maybe he gave them a whole bunch of screenshots over the past week or something.
00:28:40.140Another thing that's fascinating with this segment is they are less interested at getting to the public truth than Candace is.
00:28:50.900It's very clear that Candace wants to push for these to be known.
00:28:55.540They're kind of uncomfortable about it.
00:28:57.820They're happy it did happen, but they wouldn't have done it themselves.
00:29:01.460So TPUSA, it's still on the fence to me whether there are internal forces within TPUSA that wouldn't want the truth to be found.
00:29:14.180And that is kind of worrying in and of itself.
00:29:17.300Also, I would note there may be some degree of laundering of action here, where someone who has committed something kind of wrong or kind of unethical is trying to wash it away by a small comment.
00:29:29.720And here you mentioned that, yes, he says eventually, I gave it to the government.
00:29:35.080But the first sentence that he says, he says, I may have given it to a couple of people.
00:29:40.640Now, that to me, there is a difference here.
00:29:43.880Yes, you did give it to the government after Charlie Kirk was murdered.
00:29:49.760Or are you aware that some people in that group chat exchanged those screenshots before the death of Charlie Kirk?
00:29:56.560And given the laundering type of talk that he does, well, I may have given it to some people and then eventually confirmed, well, I gave it to some people in the government.
00:30:08.180I think there may be a larger umbrella of people who knew about this discussion.
00:30:12.920And there's also people are pointing out Josh Hammer today.
00:30:17.200Josh Hammer tweeted a very bizarre tweet between the moment this telegram conversation happened and the killing of Charlie Kirk.
00:30:27.780He went to an old Donald Trump tweet from 12 years ago that was talking about public executions.
00:30:37.740Now, people are saying this is in line with Irina, the murder of Irina.
00:30:43.020And perhaps he was calling for public executions of the murder of Irina.
00:30:48.320But it's very, very weird to me that he's talking about public executions all of a sudden on his Twitter account after having seen Charlie Kirk detaching from the pro-Israel cause.
00:31:01.500So what I'm wondering here is, will there be proper police work in finding the extent to which this conversation has spread before the murder of Charlie Kirk?
00:31:12.800Because there are organizational people who may have had financial interests.
00:31:17.060There are even people who may not be directly related to Israeli interests, may have seen this as a foreboding of perhaps them losing their jobs within TPUSA, perhaps them losing funding, losing opportunities.
00:31:32.520So there is a large umbrella of hypotheses that that rise from the disclosure of Candace Owens, which doesn't seem to put TPUSA in much comfort.