RadixJournal - Candace, Charlie, and the Golem

00:00:00.000 It is worth retelling the Candace Owens origin story, which is just bizarre.

00:00:05.880 And I'll be brief here, but she did first come on the scene.

00:00:10.140 I know everyone fixates on this and maybe blows it out of proportion.

00:00:13.460 You know, it's like saying that Richard Spencer was once a snowboarder in the mid-1990s or something.

00:00:20.920 You know, he listened to Green Day during that period, and we've got to fixate on this.

00:00:25.680 But anyway, she was creating this doxing website that was seemingly a mechanical Turk in which you would put in someone's mean tweet or Facebook comment, and it would spit out his home address, which even the left, at least at that point, was like, whoa, obviously that could be misused for violent acts.

00:00:51.560 So that's where she was coming from, and the left criticized her for that. 0.99

00:00:55.680 And then she sort of ran into the arms of Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson, who was very influential at this point.

00:01:04.080 And she was sort of the ex-Democrat, Blexit kind of thing of like, I left the left, or did the left leave me?

00:01:14.400 They've gone crazy.

00:01:15.160 She was a pioneer on that sort of anti-woke crusade of, I don't even understand the Democrats anymore.

00:01:22.200 And Republicans just eating it up, loving it.

00:01:26.160 And so she started out in that area, and I don't know how conspiratorial she would get, but you're talking with Alex Jones, just guilt by association right there.

00:01:36.380 Then she goes to the Daily Wire, and she has this friendship with Charlie Kirk, which also, from the video she posted, seemed genuine.

00:01:45.340 A weird friendship between a gay Mormon and a Jamaican woman.

00:01:50.080 It's true love.

00:01:51.940 I'm sorry.

00:01:52.520 I didn't mean that.

00:01:53.300 But she becomes this kind of neocon, and this attempt by Ben Shapiro and others to put her up as a golem or as a mouthpiece, as the black, young face of the establishment.

00:02:10.860 And then she marries this very strange individual named George Farmer, former CEO of Parler, who is deeply connected with TPUSA, TPUK, a Catholic, Anglo-Catholic aristocrat of some kind.

00:02:28.680 And this is just my theory, but he seems to be putting all of these ideas in her head.

00:02:36.040 It strikes me as a kind of Bride of Frankenstein situation where you have this curious American black woman who sort of can't be criticized.

00:02:47.060 She can't be called racist.

00:02:48.480 She can't be called reactionary or a Catholic traditionalist or an aristocrat.

00:02:53.540 And you start putting all these ideas in her mind, the Frankist, you know, the Khazar theory of the Jews. 0.52

00:02:59.800 They're not really Jews.

00:03:01.740 And other things, Hitler was okay when he kept it within Germany, which in some ways is even worse than, like, promoting Hitler overall. 0.85

00:03:14.360 Because what he did internally was crack down on Jews and put them into camp.

00:03:20.640 So anyway, she seems to be fed these ideas.

00:03:25.440 And then she gets kicked out of the Daily Wire.

00:03:28.040 She goes after Israel in a powerful and genuine manner. 0.98

00:03:32.220 I'll just be fair here.

00:03:33.960 And then now she has this show, which is the number one YouTube show for politics and culture.

00:03:40.320 She's blowing away CNN. 0.73

00:03:42.480 She's blowing away maybe even Joe Rogan.

00:03:45.780 I don't know.

00:03:46.320 She's very popular.

00:03:47.220 And I listened to about 15 minutes of it.

00:03:49.160 And it was like I was back in Monroe, Louisiana with the friends of my grandmother.

00:03:56.160 It's just these, like, gossipy women at the beauty parlor just sort of talking about nothing and insinuating. 1.00

00:04:05.680 Like, that pastor, well, he says that he's doing good.

00:04:09.700 But is he really doing good?

00:04:11.560 Like, I don't know about this pastor.

00:04:13.060 Like, just this insinuation of all sorts of things.

00:04:17.260 And she's no doubt maintained the audience of Alex Jones types.

00:04:23.360 But I think she's expanded her audience into suburban white women in an Oprah Winfrey-like fashion of this is our black lady. 1.00

00:04:34.920 These white women in the suburbs, they love it when black women just talk, talk, talk, talk. 1.00

00:04:41.240 They just can't get enough of that. 0.89

00:04:44.120 And she's just a rip-roaring success. 0.97

00:04:48.000 She's sort of unstoppable. 0.99

00:04:49.480 I think she's completely batty and insane. 1.00

00:04:52.500 But I'm not her audience. 0.95

00:04:56.040 So anyway, that was a way of just setting up the whole thing.

00:05:00.320 Absolutely.

00:05:01.000 Beautiful description of the history.

00:05:03.140 I've come to like her in the last few days. 0.95

00:05:06.440 I've been critical of hers because precisely of what you mentioned, you cannot do good journalism and mix it in with 99% crap conspiracy theories.

00:05:18.260 You can't talk about the trap door under Charlie Kirk while also seriously raising serious questions of will the investigation be properly done on potential political links to Israel with Tyler Robinson.

00:05:33.140 The thing is, the mix of it removes credibility, the mix of it loses, and her handling of evidence is weak.

00:05:42.380 Sometimes it is misinterpretation of evidence.

00:05:44.940 Sometimes it is misinterpretation of sentences.

00:05:48.700 But you have to give it to her, though.

00:05:51.380 She has waited up to October 6th to publish her strongest evidence.

00:05:58.520 And I believe she's playing numbers here.

00:06:01.120 I believe she has so much poison in her heart. 0.93

00:06:05.060 She has so much poison in her heart. 0.99

00:06:07.200 She wants to throw the message to Israel. 0.90

00:06:09.620 I'm going to miss your October 7th celebration.

00:06:13.400 I'm going to miss it with facts.

00:06:15.940 Now, you have to imagine how much restraint it takes for someone who wants popularity, who has the greatest show on YouTube, to be withholding that evidence, which I was frustrated by.

00:06:28.240 But yesterday, I understood it all. 0.99

00:06:30.860 She wanted to hit Israel in the testicles. 1.00

00:06:36.540 Yes. 1.00

00:06:37.020 And she did it. 0.95

00:06:37.780 She did it in such a poisonous way that a man like mine cannot even conceive of this kind of dirty warmongering.

00:06:44.240 I mean, there were even co-hosts of Tim Kass, the Sour Patch Lids, crying almost on her Twitter, saying, I can't believe she does that the day the 1,200 Jews died. 0.53

00:06:58.960 Unbelievable.

00:06:59.640 Well, 1,200 Jews cried on October 7th, 2025.

00:07:09.520 That is true.

00:07:10.640 Let's listen to this.

00:07:13.580 And then there's actually another shoe to drop.

00:07:16.080 I don't know if you've seen this, but TPUSA responded.

00:07:18.680 So I'll play that as well.

00:07:20.520 But this is almost three minutes.

00:07:22.880 She doesn't quite get to the point, but she has a rambling style that's very popular with Shelly, who lives in a suburb of Dallas, Texas. 0.99

00:07:33.640 But Rob, in particular, knew for an absolute fact that Charlie was done with Israel bullying him.

00:07:40.780 That's what bothers me so much about this man, him allowing these headlines.

00:07:44.680 Charlie's pastor speaks out, you know, crushes Candace because of what she said, not whatever.

00:07:50.780 I don't like it.

00:07:51.800 But he knew and others knew that Charlie was done with Israel bullying him.

00:07:57.300 And I am now going to present you proof of what I am saying.

00:08:00.620 This is an actual group chat, which happened two days before Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

00:08:05.340 There were nine people in total on this chat, including Charlie and Rob McCoy.

00:08:11.200 I'm going to protect the names of the other seven for now.

00:08:15.340 To be clear, I might actually release a name every day this week.

00:08:18.320 But I want to show you this because suffice it to say.

00:08:21.200 This is like literally the Batman Halloween where the long Halloween in the Batman comics.

00:08:27.440 She says, I might release one name of them every day for seven days.

00:08:33.220 It's seven as well.

00:08:34.560 She's playing with Jewish teams.

00:08:36.000 October 7th, the Seven Candles.

00:08:39.240 She's into some wicked stuff. 1.00

00:08:42.820 This is witchery of the highest level.

00:08:45.480 This is witchery with a million viewers on YouTube.

00:08:48.560 Yes, until they reveal the identity of the Batman.

00:08:51.920 I mean, she will continue.

00:08:54.620 Rob McCoy was on this text thread.

00:08:56.540 And I think it helps contextualize him as a person, in my view, that he would attack me for telling the truth about the pressure that he was facing.

00:09:04.020 Take a look.

00:09:04.660 So, Charlie writes, in this group chat, just lost another huge Jewish donor.

00:09:11.000 Two million a year because we won't cancel Tucker.

00:09:15.100 I'm thinking of inviting Candace.

00:09:17.120 Somebody writes, ugh.

00:09:19.720 Charlie writes, Jewish donors play into all of the stereotypes.

00:09:23.200 I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause.

00:09:32.880 And somebody writes, Sedona writes, please do not invite Candace.

00:09:36.280 That might feel good short term, but it's not good long term, in my opinion.

00:09:39.680 Like all groups, you're going to get a wide variety of opinions.

00:09:42.900 That nasty free will thing that God bestowed on us makes life frustrating at times after the dust settles a bit, maybe.

00:09:49.800 So, again, this is 48 hours before Charlie was assassinated.

00:09:52.860 He was very clear, and he was very excited.

00:09:54.800 That nasty free will thing that allows us to criticize Israel on occasion. 0.62

00:10:01.240 Let me read these again here, because I think it is important to dive in.

00:10:10.760 There is much in there.

00:10:12.040 They just lost another huge Jewish donor.

00:10:16.980 Two million a year because we won't cancel Tucker.

00:10:22.420 Interesting.

00:10:23.600 I'm thinking of inviting Candace.

00:10:25.640 So that almost seems like he's being aggressive or something now.

00:10:29.520 He's like, oh, well, I'm going to invite.

00:10:31.580 Yeah.

00:10:31.940 Like, if you do this, I'm going further.

00:10:35.080 They said, ugh.

00:10:35.780 Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes. 0.51

00:10:38.640 I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice just to leave the pro-Israel cause.

00:10:45.600 Just the stereotype comment here is fascinating because he's saying that he's making the realization that anyone on the so-called far right would have, which is I try to extend discussion with these Jews.

00:10:59.840 They come at me with cognitively dissonant talking points.

00:11:03.620 They seem to lie to my face.

00:11:06.400 They seem to cancel me.

00:11:09.100 Every time I see a Jew, it's for, you know, adding a piece written about me.

00:11:14.400 Every time I see a Christian, it's to buy beef and eggs from his farm. 1.00

00:11:18.700 And he has realized when I interact with Jews, it's different. 0.82

00:11:24.260 Yes.

00:11:24.780 Do you think he might have been sarcastic when he said, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause?

00:11:33.100 I think the sarcasm is possible, but I don't think it's not my main explanation.

00:11:39.160 When he says this, what I think he means is he wouldn't even want to be against Israel.

00:11:46.660 And in fact, leaving the pro-Israel cause doesn't mean going after Israel.

00:11:51.300 It doesn't mean being negative.

00:11:52.000 It doesn't mean entering the anti-Israel cause.

00:11:54.100 That's right.

00:11:54.480 Yes.

00:11:55.300 I think that what's going on in his mind when he says this, and I've been reflecting about this yesterday.

00:12:01.180 Here's what goes on.

00:12:03.060 He is being bullied.

00:12:05.060 He does not want to be under extortion.

00:12:08.380 Therefore, he has to withdraw from the extortion, withdraw from the bullying.

00:12:12.680 But he is receiving money from people who expect him to submit himself to bullying.

00:12:18.200 And so in his moral mind, he says, I cannot continue selling myself.

00:12:24.440 I cannot continue accepting your money because you expect a service from me that I cannot deliver.

00:12:30.500 Therefore, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause because you are sending me money on which you have expectations that I cannot deliver on.

00:12:39.660 And therefore, it's a deceptive relationship.

00:12:42.000 I cannot do the deceptive market.

00:12:44.480 That is what he means.

00:12:45.500 It's actually no comment about Israel so much, but the impossibility that has been created for him to continue in the economic relationship as it stands.

00:12:56.440 A couple of things here.

00:12:59.660 First off, this doesn't paint Charlie in a good light, even if you are anti-Zionist.

00:13:08.200 Because it's striking how, at least ostensibly, like at first glance, how mercenary he is.

00:13:18.000 Could someone have given him $2 million a year and he's going to be pro-Nambla or something?

00:13:26.980 Or he's going to be a vegetarian activist?

00:13:30.880 I mean, I don't know.

00:13:32.220 It is a weird light in which he's painted.

00:13:34.960 Now, this is such a short snippet.

00:13:39.020 You could certainly find text messages of mine that make me look completely horrible.

00:13:44.220 And I wouldn't want to be just judged on that one instance.

00:13:47.100 The other thing that comes to mind is, you know, in some ways, Charlie Kirk is being self-aware, but not fully.

00:13:58.640 What I mean by this is that Charlie Kirk is a kind of Goldilocks figure.

00:14:05.860 He's not too bright, but not too dumb, just right. 0.94

00:14:10.860 He's not too handsome, but not really that ugly. 0.98

00:14:14.960 He's just right.

00:14:18.000 And he's not too charismatic, but not uncharismatic, just right.

00:14:25.280 That's who he is.

00:14:26.940 He has no education outside of high school.

00:14:30.220 And during recess or when other kids were playing sports, he was listening to Rush Limbaugh. 0.97

00:14:34.960 You know, he's kind of, as someone put it, like skinny fat.

00:14:41.040 He doesn't work out or play sports because he's just constantly podcasting or constantly reading the news or talking to someone in the conservative movement cause.

00:14:54.260 Like, Charlie, I don't want you to be assassinated, but the kind of deification that we have seen over the past two weeks is absurd.

00:15:13.260 He's not terribly interesting.

00:15:16.660 I mean, is he that brave?

00:15:19.240 Okay.

00:15:19.760 But we forget how many, like, millions of dollars were put behind his campus tours.

00:15:27.640 You know, it's not like he was just going out onto some beach in California, hopping on a soapbox and talking about Jesus.

00:15:37.400 He was doing highly choreographed, well-funded junkets, basically, at these colleges.

00:15:46.360 So I'm not quite sure how brave he is.

00:15:50.780 And it's like he's a golem. 0.86

00:15:53.020 I'll just be brutally frank here.

00:15:56.720 And I'm painting with too broad a stroke.

00:15:59.320 He's a golem of the Jews who became self-aware at some point, but not fully self-aware. 1.00

00:16:08.220 Charlie, I get it, but you're just some dude working middle management at Target if you hadn't been somewhat haphazardly randomly chosen by the Jews. 1.00

00:16:25.300 I mean, it's too broad a brush, but if the Jews hadn't decided that you were going to be their golem during the Trump era, like, that's why you exist. 0.94

00:16:35.240 You're not great.

00:16:36.560 You're not terribly interesting, to be frank.

00:16:42.420 You're good at fundraising and pressing the flesh.

00:16:44.720 I'll give you that.

00:16:45.320 But your flesh was pressed by them, mostly.

00:16:49.320 Like, you were chosen as their mascot for the football game that's going on.

00:16:55.620 And you seem to have some illusion that, like, you're playing the game.

00:17:01.220 Like, he's, like, in a tiger costume by the grandstands going, like, you know, go team, go team.

00:17:08.440 And he seems to believe that he's the quarterback.

00:17:12.040 You're not the quarterback. 0.98

00:17:13.480 You're a golem. 0.97

00:17:14.600 You're a mascot that they created for their purposes for electioneering and winning over the crowd.

00:17:20.300 That's who you are.

00:17:23.260 Exactly.

00:17:24.620 And he doesn't seem to be aware of that.

00:17:29.820 He's high in his own supply. 0.97

00:17:31.340 He believes his own nonsense. 0.84

00:17:33.660 Now, this is the other thing. 0.95

00:17:35.100 I'm using the golem metaphor. 0.98

00:17:37.020 The end of the golem story is that they shut down the golem. 0.99

00:17:40.200 And that is what Candace Owens is implying. 0.98

00:17:43.800 And to be honest, it does sort of fit the script.

00:17:47.100 Now, does that mean Israel killed him?

00:17:50.260 I'm not at all ready to say that.

00:17:54.080 But it is interesting how there is that little embedded story.

00:17:59.620 They invent this goofy, cute, fairly intelligent little white boy mascot for the Republican Party and Israel.

00:18:10.200 And then he gets shut down. 0.94

00:18:13.140 That's the script.

00:18:14.340 And it sort of fits.

00:18:16.720 Absolutely.

00:18:17.840 And everything you say there is exactly why it's a massively plausible explanation to think that there may have been Israeli terrorists getting rid of him.

00:18:29.020 Because he's a golem. 1.00

00:18:30.780 Because he's nothing.

00:18:32.740 And because if he's nothing, he's not worth keeping alive.

00:18:36.800 And yet, by staying alive, he may become someone.

00:18:40.960 One thing I've learned interacting with Jewish power, with my own interactions with Jeff Epstein, they hate it when you promote yourself instead of the institution you're building. 1.00

00:18:51.900 Because the institution is available to take over.

00:18:55.340 You are not available to take over.

00:18:58.400 And you may drift toward an anti-Israel stance later.

00:19:02.320 But the institution, they want to keep it for themselves.

00:19:06.160 And I've been denying myself some funding from Jeff Epstein at some point.

00:19:10.780 I remember sitting in New York in a cafe with his assistant.

00:19:14.400 And she was like, Jeff is alarmed at the fact that you self-promote too much.

00:19:20.080 We want you to promote NeuroTV as a philosophical show.

00:19:23.800 We don't want you to put the philosophers and the neuroscientists forward.

00:19:27.860 We want you to put the show forward so eventually we can take it.

00:19:32.120 That was the kind of underlying message.

00:19:35.360 And I said, you know what?

00:19:38.260 Back then, it was 2014.

00:19:40.400 I said, it's 2014, the social media is developing such that it's all about individuals and how much trust they gain with the audience.

00:19:49.660 The future is without institution.

00:19:52.060 The future is without CBS, ABC News.

00:19:55.320 And you will only have men that you can count on your team or not on your team.

00:20:01.560 And if the condition of Jeff for giving me more money for my show is that I have to put this aside, I'm not doing it.

00:20:08.940 I'm going to write on my own.

00:20:10.400 So in a way, I've done my own Charlie Kirk moment in 2014.

00:20:16.660 Charlie Kirk did it in that Telegram message where he said even more explicitly than I did then, I'm going to have to give up the pro-Israel cause.

00:20:25.120 Thank God I didn't get shot.

00:20:28.220 But definitely it has changed my relationship with Jeff Epstein at that moment when I said these words.

00:20:33.820 I know this is self-serving of me to say, and I'm aware of that, but just go with it.

00:20:43.020 I obviously engage in self-promotion.

00:20:46.840 Now, I also collab with people whom I respect and I learn from.

00:20:53.820 We disagree, we move thought forward, et cetera.

00:20:58.280 I'm a very willing conversation partner.

00:21:01.980 But I am obviously self-promoting.

00:21:04.580 And I obviously think for myself, the thing that people hate is that I'm contrarian or he's a liberal or whatever.

00:21:12.240 All that means is that I'm not on the team.

00:21:16.760 And I do feel like I am more of a threat because of that than other people.

00:21:26.840 And again, I'm not just engaging in self-flattery here.

00:21:31.180 There are people in Charlie Kirk's orbit.

00:21:36.740 I remember the Blake Neff character who was in Charlie Kirk's orbit who got sort of mini-canceled in 2018-ish for going on chat forums and being Hitler-y, basically.

00:21:50.120 And all of those people have, in a way, said things that are more outrageous or said things that are equally outrageous that I've said on a larger platform.

00:22:05.300 You know, like MLK was a sex fiend, which I don't even bother talking about it. 0.79

00:22:11.960 I think that's irrelevant. 0.99

00:22:13.260 Maybe he was such a good activist precisely because his libido was so large.

00:22:19.340 That's probably the argument that I would make.

00:22:21.400 But anyway, or we shouldn't have done the Civil Rights Act.

00:22:24.640 Did you know that 13% of the population commit 50% of the crime, etc.?

00:22:28.720 They've done all of those things.

00:22:31.120 All that sort of like basic bitch alt-right 2015 level stuff. 1.00

00:22:37.220 They've all done. 0.83

00:22:38.320 The difference is they're all sort of interchangeable nerds, cogs in the GOP MAGA machine.

00:22:47.740 And so they're operating on behalf of the team.

00:22:53.840 I'm not.

00:22:55.680 I don't want the team to win.

00:22:58.360 So I'm like a, I'm an open enemy of them.

00:23:01.960 But they can sort of get away with it.

00:23:04.220 And that's why we're in this like bizarre place where they won't talk to you, me.

00:23:13.500 They won't.

00:23:14.160 Nick Fuentes, they'll sort of footsie under the table a little bit more.

00:23:17.800 But they won't talk to him.

00:23:18.780 And I don't think they will.

00:23:20.720 Precisely because he is his own person who can go north.

00:23:26.320 He can go south.

00:23:27.000 He can go east and he's west.

00:23:28.000 Not that he's random.

00:23:29.060 It's that he can think for himself.

00:23:32.020 He possesses that ability.

00:23:34.040 And they don't like that.

00:23:35.840 They want to trot out 1350 when the group hive mind decides that that's the time to trot this out.

00:23:44.120 And they want to pull it back in when they're endorsing Herschel Walker for Senate or whatever the hell they're doing.

00:23:51.560 So if you don't operate in their little hive, they hate you.

00:23:57.620 They think you're anathema. 0.90

00:23:59.400 You have cooties. 0.98

00:24:00.620 They think you're a radical extremist. 0.76

00:24:04.940 Even though I would suggest that just based on the level of superficial salaciousness, the conservative movement is more right wing than I am or you are.

00:24:20.180 Like if you want to get just like crude racism or like personal attacks against AOC or whatever, you should go there.

00:24:31.340 You shouldn't subscribe to me.

00:24:32.380 You're not going to get that stuff from me. 0.97

00:24:34.920 So, you know, ostensibly, superficially, they are more like lunatic than I am. 0.99

00:24:42.180 Yet I'm the lunatic in their mind. 0.62

00:24:44.040 It's just a very interesting phenomenon that's worth dwelling upon.

00:24:48.760 Yeah, I think there's been a huge split in the last 10 years of cognitive freedom.

00:24:55.660 And there's just a bunch of people who have, and it's probably the default social mode of humanity to reject black sheeps. 1.00

00:25:03.860 And, you know, you have these whole stories of scientists getting thrown down the roofs and people being eliminated just because they were ahead of their time.

00:25:13.680 And, yeah, they really don't like free thought.

00:25:18.020 They will all pause for it.

00:25:19.740 They will all say a couple of lip service to free market of ideas.

00:25:23.780 But in reality, there's very few people that truly have the pursuit of free thought for individuals away from any social pressure.

00:25:35.480 Not many people are made of that cloud.

00:25:39.060 I agree.

00:25:40.900 I'm just going to play one more thing here.

00:25:44.980 This is a brief one.

00:25:47.080 This actually is confirmation that this text message is, in fact, real, which I certainly questioned.

00:25:56.080 That weird, like, Dairy Queen photo that Candace released that had Superman paraphernalia.

00:26:03.960 Superman came out in July, and it was a Tyler Robinson.

00:26:07.880 I don't know what to say.

00:26:11.040 But this has at least been confirmed by someone whose interest it might be to reject it and claim that it's lies.

00:26:22.640 So that's very interesting.

00:26:24.160 But I'll just play this.

00:26:24.920 But I want to take the start of this show to address some of the things that have been going around on Public,

00:26:31.180 namely about a text, a group text chain that has been made known and released by Candace Owens.

00:26:38.420 And I just want to address it head on because, you know, that was a text grab, a screen grab that I had shared with people.

00:26:47.060 So it is authentic.

00:26:48.580 And I want to go into it because I actually am really excited that the truth is out there.

00:26:52.900 I first want to say the reason I didn't share that screen grab publicly is because it was a private exchange.

00:27:01.740 And I felt like it didn't necessarily comport with things that were already public.

00:27:06.700 I wanted to not betray my friend's trust in that way.

00:27:09.400 But I did share it with some people in government because it happened really quick.

00:27:14.260 It was, you know, it took 33 hours for authorities to get their suspect.

00:27:19.260 And in that first, in those first moments, we wanted no stone unturned.

00:27:23.220 We wanted to leave nothing unturned.

00:27:25.180 So I shared it with a few people.

00:27:27.740 Don't know where it went from there, apparently.

00:27:29.480 But here we are.

00:27:32.060 So one of the reasons, Blake, that I'm glad to have this now public, it was not mine to share publicly.

00:27:39.920 But, you know, one of the criticisms we've been we've received is that we don't.

00:27:44.280 It's like the least charismatic man.

00:27:46.380 Anyway, it's very interesting because what he's suggesting is that he gave those things to the government.

00:27:56.160 I would presume the FBI who were investigating the case.

00:28:01.060 And I don't know, maybe he even himself had some questions.

00:28:05.180 That's curious that he would give them that screenshot, because otherwise that screenshot is unresponsive, irrelevant to Charlie Kirk's assassination.

00:28:14.720 Maybe he gave them a whole bunch of screenshots over the past week or something.

00:28:18.080 Who knows?

00:28:19.120 But what he's suggesting is that that someone in the government gave that to Candace Owens.

00:28:26.260 So Candace Owens was not in that discussion.

00:28:31.860 So there's a leaker at the FBI, which is sort of fascinating.

00:28:38.000 That is one thing that's fascinating.

00:28:40.140 Another thing that's fascinating with this segment is they are less interested at getting to the public truth than Candace is.

00:28:50.900 It's very clear that Candace wants to push for these to be known.

00:28:55.540 They're kind of uncomfortable about it.

00:28:57.820 They're happy it did happen, but they wouldn't have done it themselves.

00:29:01.460 So TPUSA, it's still on the fence to me whether there are internal forces within TPUSA that wouldn't want the truth to be found.

00:29:14.180 And that is kind of worrying in and of itself.

00:29:17.300 Also, I would note there may be some degree of laundering of action here, where someone who has committed something kind of wrong or kind of unethical is trying to wash it away by a small comment.

00:29:29.720 And here you mentioned that, yes, he says eventually, I gave it to the government.

00:29:35.080 But the first sentence that he says, he says, I may have given it to a couple of people.

00:29:40.640 Now, that to me, there is a difference here.

00:29:43.880 Yes, you did give it to the government after Charlie Kirk was murdered.

00:29:47.760 But did you share those screenshots?

00:29:49.760 Or are you aware that some people in that group chat exchanged those screenshots before the death of Charlie Kirk?

00:29:56.560 And given the laundering type of talk that he does, well, I may have given it to some people and then eventually confirmed, well, I gave it to some people in the government.

00:30:08.180 I think there may be a larger umbrella of people who knew about this discussion.

00:30:12.920 And there's also people are pointing out Josh Hammer today.

00:30:17.200 Josh Hammer tweeted a very bizarre tweet between the moment this telegram conversation happened and the killing of Charlie Kirk.

00:30:27.780 He went to an old Donald Trump tweet from 12 years ago that was talking about public executions.

00:30:33.920 And he tweeted, based.

00:30:37.740 Now, people are saying this is in line with Irina, the murder of Irina.

00:30:43.020 And perhaps he was calling for public executions of the murder of Irina.

00:30:48.320 But it's very, very weird to me that he's talking about public executions all of a sudden on his Twitter account after having seen Charlie Kirk detaching from the pro-Israel cause.

00:31:01.500 So what I'm wondering here is, will there be proper police work in finding the extent to which this conversation has spread before the murder of Charlie Kirk?

00:31:12.800 Because there are organizational people who may have had financial interests.

00:31:17.060 There are even people who may not be directly related to Israeli interests, may have seen this as a foreboding of perhaps them losing their jobs within TPUSA, perhaps them losing funding, losing opportunities.

00:31:32.520 So there is a large umbrella of hypotheses that that rise from the disclosure of Candace Owens, which doesn't seem to put TPUSA in much comfort.

00:31:43.720 That was a good catch.

RadixJournal - October 08, 2025

Candace, Charlie, and the Golem

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