00:08:32.800betrays the fact that his invocation of the Fifth Amendment wasn't tailored to anything.
00:08:37.580It was a predetermined, premeditated design to evade this committee's questions on any subject,
00:08:45.220including emphatically those for which he has a pardon.
00:08:49.500So, actually, Marcel, I'm going to cut you off one more time, and let's also just—oh, shoot, where is it?
00:08:57.020um because here we go let me just play this because this will tie it all together so
00:09:04.940here we go mr chair i move i move to table consideration of this resolution until the
00:09:13.620chairman invites the views of legal experts who can speak to the constitutional questions
00:09:18.120and legal authorities chairman paul has raised in his contempt of congress resolution this
00:09:23.180resolution should be tabled until our committee can hear from independent experts about the
00:09:27.680applicability of the fifth amendment and other constitutional considerations raised by the
00:09:32.300chairman's actions. This motion is intended to avoid accountability. I will oppose this motion
00:09:38.840and urge my colleagues to do the same. Press the roll call. Call the roll. Senator Johnson. No.
00:09:45.180Senator Lankford. No. Senator Scott. No. Senator Hawley. No. Senator Moreno. Senator Ernst.
00:09:54.400Senator Moody. Senator Peters. Yes. Senator Hassan. Yes. Senator Blumenthal. Yes. Senator
00:10:02.300Fetterman. Aye. Senator Kim. Yes. Senator Gallego. Yes, by proxy. Senator Slotkin. Yes,
00:10:09.280Mr. Chairman, let's hear the vote first on the vote of those present, the yeas are five, the nays are eight, on the vote by proxy, the yeas are two, the nays are zero, on this vote, the yeas are seven, the nays are eight, and the motion is not agreed to.
00:10:27.420thank you mr senator blumenthal uh i move to postpone consideration of this resolution until
00:10:34.600the committee has an opportunity to hear from dr fauci's attorney oh so you remember last week uh
00:10:44.060dick blumenthal is that his name dick anyway he was like in tears over fauci so it's just you know
00:10:52.540there's these party lines, right? Like one wants to protect this made man. The other one's like,
00:10:57.720let's expose him. And sometimes the both parties agree, like this is a made man and we have to
00:11:03.980protect him. So Marcella, you're our legal Eagle. What are your thoughts on this?
00:11:14.140I mean, they voted for contempt. That's good. Um, I don't know where it's going to go. I,
00:11:20.360but I like to see the pressure being put on it one thing I like about the hearing is that
00:11:26.480I think it's Josh Hawley um or no I it was Senator Rand Paul said that this is just the beginning
00:11:36.000because they were like there's other people you can interview there's this there's that
00:11:40.260he's like yeah because we're going to so I like that um but I do disagree with um
00:11:48.600Um, the senators, the Democrats, um, in regards to their legal view of, um, what happened and having him held in contempt because they're like, you can't hold someone in contempt for, you know, um, defending themselves and not self-incriminating under the fifth amendment.
00:12:11.880but they failed to mention that he has a pardon for all those years um i think it's a it's something
00:12:20.900that needs to be looked at further whether because we've never been here before actually
00:12:27.300uh regarding someone being pardoned for this many years and then them taking the fifth again
00:12:33.720um but josh uh holly as if i know him you know josh and i um we'll go way back um he was right
00:12:43.340he was every uh question uh for the fifth amendment legally you look at it question by
00:12:51.440question you don't look at the entire thing so him asking what the color of the carpet was
00:12:58.040that in itself um then you have to have a reasonable believe that that question will lead
00:13:06.540to some kind of self-incrimination which it doesn't and so um how do you judge that because
00:13:16.760like you know if let's assume that fauci said okay i'm going to answer your question like you
00:13:22.960know the color of the carpet and whatever else then i would expect that the next line of questioning
00:13:28.620would just be leading him gradually towards stuff that might incriminate him and the whole point of
00:13:34.160that game would then be to say okay now we hit something that you won't answer so you're hiding
00:13:38.900something and that must be an incriminating thing like it's basically trying to get him to reveal
00:13:43.280where the crime comes in so that's what um blumenthal i think was doing he was saying you
00:13:50.800know i have to like i don't know if he's an attorney but he was at one of them was like oh
00:13:56.380you know legally it has to be liberally construed meaning that you have to that reasonable uh
00:14:03.140suspicion the reasonable understanding that you're gonna self-incriminate needs to be liberally
00:14:07.940applied so you have to apply it everywhere he was taking your point owen but you made it even
00:14:14.900better than him um no that's not how the court sees it the court sees a question by question
00:14:23.980so if that particular question doesn't lead to any it can't possibly lead to anything
00:14:29.520self-incriminating you should answer i understand that if you have the next question the next
00:14:35.560question is like oh do you see covet on the carpet and did it is you know it's sitting
00:14:42.160here right now and did it did it need to be six feet apart from you you know something like where
00:14:47.980you're like meshing the carpet with what you want him to answer then that particular question fifth
00:14:54.780amendment right because he has a reasonable uh fear of being in self-incriminated but it's
00:15:02.860question by question which is why josh holly even even today said this is the reason why i asked the
00:15:09.740question because it's about good faith um about Fauci's good faith of using the fifth amendment in
00:15:17.100the correct way so but he didn't do it and that I would say when if you watch if you watch the
00:15:25.320hearing again which I'm sure you won't because it's kind of like I don't know hearing him speak
00:15:31.280his his fifth amendment thing but you see the lawyers behind him they kind of cringe when he
00:15:37.180doesn't answer the what the color of the carpet is because they know that that particular thing
00:15:42.460is not appropriate so not that that's a big deal of everything he's done in his life but um
00:15:50.020i see youtube is back yes i was waiting for you to finish sorry youtube there was a glitch with
00:15:56.980rumble and i i hit a button while marcella was talking and hope for the best and you've made it
00:16:01.940in. And I was just talking to them. I was talking to them before talking and I was telling
00:16:08.380them, Erica can't get you in. Once you're not in, you're not in. And I'm sorry. I was
00:16:12.780I just took a wild chance and it worked. So thank God mistaken. I mistaken Erica made
00:16:17.820it happen. Um, but hey, so they voted for contempt. Uh, the other thing they were going
00:16:25.980on about is that they believe ran paul center ran paul is gonna send it up to the doj without
00:16:34.140having the whole entire senate vote on it that i agree with them he is by by the rules of the
00:16:41.820senate he is supposed to take it from committee to the full senate now you can you know laws so
00:16:51.840you can see them different ways so you can argue that he could do it without doing that
00:16:57.360but naturally um he should be able to take it to the senate and the senate should vote for it
00:17:04.080right but we know how the senate is so all right so owen um i know we talked about this
00:17:11.200the last time because i saw somebody asking in the chat you know what about um you know
00:17:17.760how he made that statement first and like you're not supposed to make an opening statement like
00:17:22.240the whole lois learner thing but anyway i don't know so i think that i don't know what i think
00:17:30.640i don't know what i think because what i saw was if he got if they recommend it to the doj
00:17:36.480that his punishment might be a thousand dollars and a year in prison or something like that like
00:24:38.520And you could argue that he was trying to hide this and that.
00:24:40.640If he just came forward and said that, there would be a lot of satisfaction, but there's a significant number of people, they want to see him in jail or something, something really violent happening to him.
00:24:53.100And what I'm saying is, yes, that might be justified, it might even be justice, but once you start engaging in this scapegoating behavior, even when there's good reason for it, it just doesn't end well.
00:25:04.680It just doesn't. I'm telling you, it's, you know, it's lawfare is sort of part of that as well. Lawfare is part of the scapegoating mechanism. You know, it's it concerns me.
00:25:15.100Well, not to take a complete left turn, but I can say speaking for myself and other people I've spoken with. So when no one ever has to reap the consequences of their actions, which as the American general population sees, it becomes more frustrating watching to be like time after time after time, people are breaking laws, perhaps causing millions of deaths.
00:25:43.100And when no one has a punishment, for lack of a better word, I think it makes the crowd more infuriated.
00:25:51.580So I feel like, you know, for me and you, we'd be in trouble.
00:25:55.440But then you see these people and nothing happens.
00:25:57.720And I think that's bad for our psychology.
00:26:00.000Look, Michael Gates is running for attorney general in California on the slogan, make crime illegal again.
00:29:42.280without somebody being that scapegoat.
00:29:44.700So it definitely does happen and it happens both ways.
00:29:46.740It's not, you know, like one side is the only one that does this, but I do think we should be careful about that.
00:29:52.500But at the same time, you know, personally, I still think Fauci was one of the central figures behind this whole situation, not just the response to it, but even creating it to begin with, with the science that led to it.
00:30:06.580And so, you know, I've said many times before, and I'll say it again, I think Fauci is directly responsible for probably millions of deaths.
00:30:13.880And so I can totally understand and I agree that, you know, myself that I want to see some kind of punishment or accountability for this. But at the same time, you know, I don't really expect to see it. And I don't want it to go around the legal process either. I don't want our whole system to crumble because of vigilante justice or other things.
00:30:33.740But I think there is a balance there, too, between if you don't have real justice, then it's likely to lead to vigilante justice, as we've seen recently with Luigi Mangione and all sorts of other situations that we would all wish didn't happen.
00:30:48.280But, you know, I do think that it is that balancing act of, you know, you need to have enough justice to prevent people from losing faith in the system.
00:41:14.740I don't really care that they do it for millions of other Americans, but you can't.
00:41:21.140But I think it's, you know, to me, it's just a clear example of the deep state protecting their own.
00:41:27.500And I don't know if I could be as critical as Solomon is, I mean, justifiably, but of Blanche, just because he's in this moment where he's trying to be confirmed and he's being confirmed by that same Senate.
00:41:41.180And so he's obviously courting the votes of all those senators and doesn't want to do anything to piss anybody off. And so from a political perspective, I would understand why Blanche might just be like, you know what, maybe we'll do that later. Or I just won't tackle that or go into that controversial area right now because I don't want to lose a whole bunch of votes.
00:41:59.120I'm not defending it because I don't think Thune and others should be offended. They should be supporting this, you know, investigation into the weaponization of government. But I can understand at least politically why Blanche would be a little shy to say, you know, let me go step into this controversy right now because he's trying to get confirmed.
00:42:20.580and you know you can have positive or negative feelings about blanche i know he has his own
00:42:26.220in my opinion questionable background of like is he really on trump's side is he really part
00:42:31.240of the deep state you know because he has history on the other side i think as well
00:42:34.520but i do think he's been doing a lot of good things in general and and trying to move things
00:42:41.960in the right direction on a lot of things aligned with trump's agenda now again once he's confirmed
00:42:47.120confirmed it could blip you know i don't know i'm not sure that i can really trust him but i i do
00:42:53.340think that um you know to me it's disgusting that these senators are blocking this investigation
00:42:58.200i think we should be trying to get rid of the weaponization of government stuff i think it was
00:43:03.580terrible all the things that happened especially during the biden administration about the
00:43:07.720weaponization of government but you know all the way back to obama really and um i think there
00:43:12.780probably were a lot of really bad crimes committed throughout that whole process and i think we should
00:43:17.420get to the bottom of it and we should stop it from happening again so i'm hoping we'll get there
00:43:22.220uh i hope so too marcella do you want to quickly comment because i want to get to the scott clip
00:43:28.700um no i don't have to oh no you i want you to oh okay the cia i don't know if they're watching but
00:43:35.980But so I think regarding you asked about Todd Blanche, and I think he's going to wait until
00:43:42.440he gets he becomes confirmed attorney general, and then we'll see what happens then.
00:43:48.540I think we need to table this because I'm sure he's going to go.
00:43:54.620Maybe, maybe I shouldn't say anything, because remember, you should never say to your interview
00:52:20.520Now, you're probably thinking to yourself,
00:52:24.040who do you know who has the winning frame versus the losing frame?
00:52:28.380And this is the sort of lesson that is going to become more profound as you think about it.
00:52:34.300The more you think about it, you're going to start noticing people.
00:52:37.940the people who just can't figure out how to make it in life are all the people who think they're
00:52:43.060victims of what other people are doing. The moment you can reframe that as you are programming
00:52:50.900other people, which, by the way, is a different way of explaining the Dale Carnegie method.
00:52:57.900There's a reason that Dale Carnegie has been a best-selling book for how many decades? Decades
00:53:05.080after decades, it's because it works. And the Dale Carnegie method, among other things,
00:53:12.640teaches a wide variety of things. But one of the things that I find most important
00:53:16.440is that you learn that you are the agent of reprogramming your environment. People will
00:53:23.060respond to you based on what you do. So you are programming them all the time. If you allow them
00:53:30.740to program you, they will. They will. They'll fill in the blank. If you're not programming
00:53:36.060the people around you, they will program you. Guaranteed. So you only have those two choices.
00:53:42.000Get programmed and have no control over your life, or become the programmer.
00:53:47.880Somebody in the comments is saying, hello, Jordan Peterson. I would contend, I haven't heard Jordan
00:53:54.220Peterson say this exactly, but I'm pretty sure it's compatible with the things he says.
00:53:59.400You will notice that all the people that you recognize are good at this stuff, meaning good at understanding strategies for being successful, I would be willing to bet that 100% are compatible with what I just said.
00:54:16.260Probably every person who really gets it, probably every person who's ever made a billion dollars, understands that they are the agents programming other people.
00:54:27.060As soon as you think it's the other way around, that's what's going to happen.
00:54:50.340So great. Another amazing always lesson from Scott. And I'm just laughing. So for those of
00:55:00.700you not on Locals, EJ, you might hear us talking about EJ sometimes over here on Locals. He's sort
00:55:09.020of like Uphill Gardner over on YouTube, but EJ's got more like anti-Semitism in him. It's kind of
00:55:18.140an inside joke, but not really. So EJ is saying, well, how do I program people to unblock me?
00:55:24.380Because a lot of people have blocked him and the chat, so smart, they pointed out, well, you,
00:55:29.860you program them to block you. So, you know, you can block, you can program people in a positive
00:55:36.460way or a negative way, how they think about you. So you're, you know, you, you have to be careful
00:55:41.980how you're using this persuasion technique and what Scott just taught you, because you could go
00:55:47.480in either direction. So, um, Marcella, I'll come to you first. Um, I love this lesson and I oftentimes
00:55:55.220hear from people, well, this is just how they act. And she always says the same thing. And,
00:56:00.480you know, what am I supposed to do? And, you know, I love how Scott's like, you know, you can,
00:56:04.920you can tell yourself, you know, like let's reprogram this person by the things that you're
00:56:09.540doing yourself. Um, do you do that? I'm assuming you do with your job, especially.
00:56:14.240yeah you know like sometimes in my job i have people i have i hate to say clients are opposing
00:56:22.980counsel they're doing a certain thing i'm like um maybe it's the way that i'm acting is making them
00:56:30.020or how how scott would put it program um so i have to reprogram the program and do it better but
00:56:38.760he he specifically um to be a winner you shouldn't think that what's happening to you that you're a
00:56:49.500victim of what's happening to you you should uh reprogram yourself or pro or look at the program
00:56:56.240you're using of yourself towards the outer world and change that you know so that's key yeah and
00:57:04.240just practice just practice doing it and i think owen if you're if you're like putting it in the
00:57:10.800forefront of your head like i'm gonna practice doing this and then i'm gonna see what the result
00:57:14.760is and you'll see that the result is different and things do change that you get more excited
00:57:19.140about that and i'm assuming this is something you teach your sons i mean there is so much in
00:57:26.040this micro lesson it's kind of incredible like it's it he presents it as such a simple idea and
00:57:30.900it is but you know he he ties so much into it i mean we you know we are going through how to win
00:57:35.980friends and influence people in my subscriber spaces with my ex-subscribers right now and
00:57:40.360we're talking about a lot of those ideas that he mentioned from dale carnegie he mentioned jordan
00:57:44.340peterson jordan does have a lot of things that are right in line with this his future authoring
00:57:49.200program is right in line with that where it's essentially just a simple writing exercise but
00:57:53.360the whole idea of it is is right along the lines of what scott just said where he's saying okay
00:57:58.300let's identify all the, you know, let's identify the future we want, like what a good future would
00:58:04.160look like for me. And then let's look at it. Let's also define what a bad future would look
00:58:08.940like for me, you know, just kind of think, think about, okay, what, what's a good future and a bad
00:58:13.880future. And, and then now we've done that and it's in your own terms, whatever you think is good.
00:58:21.140Now let's identify what things I could do that would lead me towards the good future and what
00:58:26.400things i could do that would lead me towards the bad future and they tested this in a school and
00:58:31.240it actually like reduced dropout rates from high school significantly it raised grades like a whole
00:58:38.460letter grade especially for the low performers it didn't help the high performers as much probably
00:58:42.580because they were already doing this but you know the low performers had helped and so i think it's
00:58:48.120been shown statistically or scientifically to work um so i think there's a lot of power in that and
00:58:54.260And of course, you know, Marcella will appreciate that it's the whole Jocko Willink philosophy
00:58:58.120of extreme ownership, that if you take ownership of yourself and you take ownership of the
00:59:01.700situation, even if you think I'm a victim, you know, even if that thought enters your
00:59:05.620head, you don't accept that and just say, oh, well, I guess I'm powerless.
00:59:08.320No, you take charge and you say, I'm going to do something to change this.
00:59:11.680I'm going to do something to make this better.
00:59:14.240And, you know, if you want to have people unblock you, you know, the way to start thinking
00:59:18.780about that is, well, why are they blocking me?
00:59:20.380and what can I do differently that would not lead to that outcome?
00:59:24.860And Dale Carnegie certainly would say it's a lot about thinking about other people and what they want.
00:59:29.820It's not about just expressing what you want because you feel like it.
00:59:34.140It's more of the frame is about other people, taking genuine interest in other people,
00:59:39.440figuring out what they want and how you can help them get what they want.
00:59:43.000And so if you think about things in that way and you get outside your own head of just,
00:59:47.200well, I just say this stuff because I feel like it and this is what I believe.
00:59:49.800You know, you could do that, but you're taking this kind of self-centered view that won't be very well received by other people. And so you have to think through those things and say, how do I serve other people? And that ties it into the success frame of saying, if you're helping other people and serving other people, they're going to naturally want to pay you, or they're going to want to give you rewards for that, or they're going to treat you differently in a better way because of that, and you are going to be more successful. So I think it's a great micro lesson and just a lot of powerful ideas packed into a few minutes.