Real Coffee with Scott Adams - The Scott Adams School - 08⧸27⧸26 Stefan Molyneux returns!

00:00:00.000 Oh, surprise, we're early.

00:00:05.960 I think this is a first, by the way, in the 160-something shows, but who's counting?

00:00:13.700 So let's get this going.

00:00:15.760 Good morning, everybody.

00:00:17.040 Good morning, locals.

00:00:19.140 We're just going to give a second for YouTube and Rumble and X and Spotify to kick in.

00:00:26.280 Look who's here, Stéphane Molyneux.

00:00:28.640 could you just be so excited or what? I am. Oh, and Owen. Owen. Owen's here too.

00:00:35.360 Oh, and Owen. Just a little parenthetical afterthought.

00:00:41.340 Don't worry, Stefan. He gives me heck all the time so I can give him some hell back. Trust me.

00:00:46.840 Trust me. So Marcella's off today, you guys. I'm hoping she'll be back tomorrow. She's just

00:00:54.000 just working some stuff and hoping to finish it up by tomorrow. She'll be back for fun time Friday

00:01:00.400 or Fri-yay or F it Friday, whatever you want to call it. Um, but in the meantime, we are so

00:01:08.020 excited, Stefan, to have you here for the hour. You have a lot going on and we're going to talk

00:01:13.120 about all of it. And, um, there's my girlfriend, Mindy. Hey, Mindy. All right. So let's do the

00:01:19.520 thing that we we can't wait to do before we can do anything else was that persuasive no okay here

00:01:25.360 we go and everything's starting to go really well for you anyway too bad about other people

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00:01:56.160 my air quality. It's called the Simultaneous Sip, and it happens now. Go.

00:02:04.580 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good.

00:02:10.880 Yep. That was good. Air quality. The day before was taxes. This day was air quality. So we know

00:02:17.280 kind of what's been going on in Scott's world at that time, those fires. So Stefan, welcome back.

00:02:23.040 How are you? I'm well. You know, I got to tell you, every time I see Scott, it's this bittersweet

00:02:27.580 wave of nostalgia, sorrow, and sadness, and only the good die young. And it moves me. And I still

00:02:35.840 I still miss him. And he was a big influence on my life. I was fortunate to have a couple of shows

00:02:41.000 together with him over the years. And it's just, it always, you know, it hits me in the heart and

00:02:46.840 the feels to see him again. They should take that set and put it in like the Smithsonian or something

00:02:51.260 like that. It should be like, it should be preserved, you know, like this is where huge

00:02:55.740 amounts of Geisel-like wisdoms flowed out of that lovely man. And I hope someone, something's been

00:03:01.460 down to preserve it all i feel exactly the same way and um you know we were fortunate enough owen

00:03:08.400 and i to be there and to see scott's desk and the whole setup and i even said to his family i'm like

00:03:14.940 can i just like purchase all of that and somehow maneuver that huge thing just back here like

00:03:21.020 because you know the house is for sale it's going to be sold and you know i'm like they're you know

00:03:27.100 I hope the person that buys it will at least see some of his YouTube videos and just be like,

00:03:32.660 oh, wow, you know, but it's a bummer. It's a bummer. It was so homey. You know, it really

00:03:38.620 just felt like you were having coffee with a friend in the morning. You know, my studio setup

00:03:42.720 is like the afterlife. Like it's a gray limbo from your grandmother's dreams. And so having

00:03:50.780 that sort of homey setting is really, it was really nice. It was really nice. I know it was

00:03:54.800 really nice. And I try to explain it to people because you imagine it in your head. It was a

00:04:00.420 very big room and it had a beautiful vista and a wraparound balcony. And it was on the second

00:04:06.480 floor of his house, which a lot of people didn't know, like the Spanish tile floors. And you'd

00:04:12.440 hear him rolling his chair over the tiles when he'd push back. And from his desk to the shelves

00:04:19.060 behind him was a good distance so he had a lot of space and room and it was a just a perfect spot

00:04:26.560 for him to work his magic so yeah it is a it is a magical set if you know i had to put a word to it

00:04:34.900 and i wish there was a museum right now that it could just be placed into and people could take

00:04:39.740 pictures behind the desk i mean that's how i see it like an oval office owen any more on you know

00:04:46.280 walking into scott's office yeah it was kind of surreal but also just magical i mean i think

00:04:52.260 it was great to see it um i was lucky enough to visit with scott before he had his final days and

00:04:59.600 he gave me a tour showed me his balcony um and it was an interesting story that he told me where

00:05:06.460 apparently when he built his house he didn't realize what an awesome view he had from the

00:05:13.240 second floor and he told me he's like if i had known like if i had gone up on a ladder and seen

00:05:18.300 how incredible this view from the balcony is i would have designed my house completely differently

00:05:22.860 with like lots of windows and you know views and like he just didn't know because there were trees

00:05:28.520 around his property so he built his house just thinking okay i'm just gonna see my neighbors in

00:05:33.960 the trees and then when he went out there he's like oh my god like there's all the mountains

00:05:37.580 in the distance and it was just beautiful um but and that's right outside his office so it was it

00:05:43.760 was kind of incredible just to see what his daily life was like yeah the best view was definitely

00:05:48.760 from his office so that worked out well for sure that is interesting you guys when you buy a house

00:05:53.960 maybe have someone take a drone up a little bit for you so you can see what the view is going to

00:05:58.540 be like from the second floor and you might want to design things differently um lesson learned

00:06:04.540 Okay, so, Stefan, so many things.

00:06:08.280 Let's do one thing first so we make sure people know

00:06:10.680 that you have a debate coming up in Nashville.

00:06:14.080 And is it in Nashville?

00:06:16.140 Yes, Nashville.

00:06:16.940 Okay, why don't you tell everybody what that is

00:06:19.300 in case, are there tickets still available?

00:06:22.340 They're almost out, yeah, worldwardebate.com.

00:06:25.260 It's September the 12th in Nashville.

00:06:26.740 I'll be debating Jay Dyer on the existence of God

00:06:31.780 and virtue and all kinds of great things.

00:06:34.060 And it's sort of like this scene, you know, at the end of the horror movie, maybe that's not the best way to tell it, you know, the scene at the end of the horror movie where they buried the vampire or something like that. And then, you know, they try to leave and the hand comes up and grabs him at the leg.

00:06:47.560 so I have been recently shocked back into existence by a variety of folks because I guess like Scott

00:06:54.580 I did my time in the wilderness after the election cycle of 2020 I was cast into the outer rim into

00:07:00.720 the outer darkness and spent uh I'm half a decade you know I wasn't playing stadiums I was playing

00:07:06.400 jazz clubs which is fun and and fine too and a local platform of course was very uh great for

00:07:11.460 that and I wrote a couple more books I wrote my big book on parenting and so on because no

00:07:15.740 philosophers have ever really dealt with parenting throughout all of human history which is one of

00:07:19.200 these absolutely tragic uh situations in the world and then i just something happened in the zeitgeist

00:07:26.460 something happened like all the stuff that was controversial that got me quote banned just became

00:07:30.960 kind of common parlance and people started having me back on their shows it was a lovely to hear from

00:07:36.060 you guys again it was a funny coincidence because you just contacted me i think a day or two ago

00:07:39.880 and i was just thinking about did i annoy those guys because i really enjoyed those shows anyway

00:07:44.060 so um so you know because i i never know i never know my wife has to tell me not at all yeah so

00:07:49.560 so coming back from the dead the sam hyde had me on for an extremely chaotic but enjoyable show as

00:07:55.280 you would imagine with sam hyde i've been on a couple of other people's shows back here and

00:07:59.420 i'm coming i used to do a lot of public speaking and i used to spend like when my daughter was

00:08:03.260 young spent like a third of the year sort of traveling around and speaking and this but i've

00:08:08.400 never really done public debates as much i did some stuff at pork fest many years ago so i'm

00:08:13.080 really uh pumped and excited to get out into the world it's going to be like i'm going to have a

00:08:17.060 meet up there for free domain and philosophy fans then we're going to do the debate there's going to

00:08:20.960 be a vip evening thing if people want to book tickets you should because they're almost out

00:08:25.740 and you can use the promo code stefan s that's with an f it's not a it's not a pretentious steven

00:08:30.440 it's pretentious stefan s-t-e-f-a-n and you can get to 10 off and honestly it's like a it's like

00:08:37.420 a back from the dead tour resurrection tour and then i'm going to do uh some more i think it's

00:08:43.100 going to be a 1v10 in vegas in november so 10 people come up and swarm me uh you know which

00:08:49.640 is which is great you know just like at my high school dance is pretty much the same exactly so

00:08:53.920 yeah so i'm i'm thrilled and pleased to be back out there in the flesh on the planet in in person

00:08:59.880 because i've been a studio band forever and it's really nice to be back out there and i of course

00:09:04.100 appreciate everyone who's extended the invitations of course yourselves included well everyone will

00:09:08.500 be better off for seeing you and uh whether on platforms or in debates or on your podcast and

00:09:14.700 it's word war debate.com yes okay guys word war debate.com and use the code stefan s-t-e-f as in

00:09:26.540 frank a-n okay awesome that's gonna be great are you are you arguing for or against god

00:09:32.280 against. I'm arguing for ethics that you can't escape, because one of the problems we see in

00:09:39.600 the modern world is that if you get your ethics from religion, which, you know, I agree with most 0.77

00:09:44.700 of what Christians say. I was raised a Christian, so, you know, I'm thou shalt not murder, thou

00:09:48.860 shalt not steal. A-okay, from a philosophical standpoint, it's hard to argue against. But the

00:09:54.160 problem is, of course, is that you can simply stop believing in God, as most people or a significant

00:10:00.180 portion of the population has done over the last sort of 50 years. And then your ethics turn into

00:10:04.820 this weird, emotional, subjective relativism stuff that doesn't defend you against any

00:10:10.020 creeping immorality. So it's not so much like, oh, I want to, you know, snap God out of existence,

00:10:16.100 is that God as a basis for morality doesn't really survive modern travel, modern culture mixing,

00:10:25.140 modern immigration, and so on. And just the skepticism that comes particularly out of the

00:10:29.500 French philosophy school, which is sort of an anti-philosophy school. So it's not so much against

00:10:34.140 God as it is for virtues and ethics that you simply cannot escape by, you know, snapping your

00:10:39.960 fingers and disbelieving in stuff that's not particularly empirical. So that's sort of the

00:10:43.900 rescue mission that I'm on. What do you think about that, Owen? Well, I don't want to turn

00:10:50.200 this into a debate. I probably would be on the other side of it, but well, I mean, I think the

00:10:58.840 The way I think about it in terms of belief in God is partly where it comes down to, I

00:11:03.140 think for me, is that I see God as like an infinite resource, like an infinite set of

00:11:09.480 strength, like the ultimate good.

00:11:11.300 And I feel like if you cut that off, that there is something missing.

00:11:16.700 People talk about the God-shaped hole or whatever.

00:11:19.320 But I think it's just when you say, okay, I'm just going to rely on myself and what

00:11:22.540 I can see and what I can touch and what I can believe, you're always going to be finite.

00:11:26.940 You're always going to be limited in that.

00:11:28.220 And I think especially when people hit hard times, if they don't have that faith, I think it's just a lot harder to get through. And so I just I see a lot of value in it from that perspective. And, you know, that to me, that's maybe apart from just, you know, do you actually believe or not, which maybe is a separate question.

00:11:48.960 um but i think you know to me i do see it as something that gives a lot of people strength

00:11:56.880 a lot of people the ability to get through hard times because they have that

00:12:00.920 infinite resource to draw upon that infinite source of strength and that's very nice but

00:12:07.360 that is with all due respect the kind of hedonism which it feels good it feels better it makes life

00:12:11.580 easier. Philosophy has to just focus on what is true, valid, logical, empirical. Now, you don't

00:12:19.020 just rely upon yourself when it comes to philosophy. A mathematician doesn't just rely on his own

00:12:23.360 preference for numbers and calculations. You're following objective, universal, rational

00:12:27.880 methodologies to get to the truth. But the idea that it feels good, or it feels better, or it

00:12:33.660 feels less bad, hey, I mean, I'm not going to argue with that. Of course, it does give people

00:12:37.700 a lot of comfort, but we can't base what is true on what feels better. We do really have to

00:12:45.440 continue to move forward as a society to try and get to rational, universal, empirical, rational

00:12:50.120 truths that are consistent logically and validated empirically. And there's no real going back to

00:12:57.500 the way things used to be. And the other thing too is, you know, much though I love Christianity,

00:13:01.580 boy, it has a very bad track record of holding onto countries. You know, they just fall in like 1.00

00:13:06.620 ninepence uh around the world and if you sort of look back over the history of christianity

00:13:10.840 i mean the egypt north africa used to be fully christian all the middle east used to be

00:13:15.660 fully christian of course that's where it started and if you can just do a search in ai for like

00:13:20.420 the number of countries that have gone from majority christian to minority christian

00:13:24.300 over the last 2 000 years has been enormous and we see you know islam and other uh religious

00:13:29.160 viewpoints expanding rapidly while christianity is sort of falling and fading and i don't know

00:13:35.120 that there's a way supposed to, I want to say there's a way to resurrect Christianity because

00:13:38.640 resurrection is one of the central tenets of Christianity, but it seems pretty hard to turn

00:13:43.420 that tide and bring it back because the success of the sort of rational objective scientific

00:13:49.760 worldview has just been so overwhelming. I mean, of course, that's what we're basing this entire

00:13:53.640 conversation on. Sorry, go ahead. I guess I just see like a couple things like one, I do think

00:14:01.700 there is somewhat of a resurgence of christianity in the u.s at least i see a lot of news stories

00:14:06.380 about it with the younger generations how there's a lot more people going to mass going to church

00:14:10.560 returning to the faith um i you know i don't know statistically what that looks like but i think

00:14:17.080 it does seem like there's a lot more interest in it and i i do think that um i don't know i

00:14:23.400 separate like how successful a religion is and i also separate religion from faith like i you know

00:14:31.240 I went to a Christian sort of university and took some theology classes and

00:14:36.820 talked, one of the classes I took was early Christianity.

00:14:39.500 And it was interesting to me that early Christianity had almost none of what's

00:14:44.220 in the current like Catholic faith or Christian faith.

00:14:47.840 Like there was very little in terms of ceremony or rules.

00:14:51.120 It was just love each other and treat each other well. And like, you know,

00:14:55.520 yeah, believe in God, believe in Jesus Christ. But there was like,

00:14:59.800 i don't even know if there was even an official mass there might have been that but that was it

00:15:03.560 and that like it was there was not much more than that and um it wasn't until the whole you know

00:15:10.960 battle where they the the leader had the dream and decided that everyone was gonna suddenly be

00:15:17.080 christian that a lot of the other ceremony and and religious stuff came in and most of it came

00:15:23.620 from other places it wasn't from the early christians it wasn't from jesus christ's teachings

00:15:28.220 It was from, okay, we came with all these other traditions.

00:15:31.860 We're going to now have all these holidays and we're going to have all these ceremonies

00:15:35.220 and rituals and other things that were taken from other places.

00:15:39.620 And so I think personally at the time I wasn't believing really, and I've kind of come back

00:15:46.380 to it, but I think I've always thought of my faith as kind of more of a personal relationship

00:15:51.500 between me and God, not, you know, mediated through a priest or based on whether or not I

00:15:58.500 go to mass or all that. It's just, you know, to me, it's more of a personal thing. And it's about

00:16:05.320 just what I believe as opposed to, you know, did I follow all the practices that the priest told me

00:16:10.860 I should? And I'm sorry, I know we don't want to make this whole debate, so I'll just keep this

00:16:15.060 brief. But I mean, that drift is a real challenge philosophically, right? So if you look at

00:16:19.660 mathematics and the laws of logic that aristotle developed the pythagorean theorem you know the

00:16:24.480 scientific principles of the relationship between mass and energy and the inverse square law

00:16:28.640 they don't change they don't drift they don't alter two and two make four is as true when

00:16:33.200 mathematics was first conceived of by some guy who had a coconut fall on his head and said well i'm

00:16:37.400 glad it wasn't two uh they've all stayed the same they've all stayed objective the drift in

00:16:41.640 christianity just over the course of my lifetime absolutely staggering i mean you know absolutely

00:16:47.400 relationship with homosexuality. You've got the Pope kissing the feet of migrants and massive 0.99

00:16:52.800 changes in the doctrines. That doesn't really happen in logic. It doesn't happen in science.

00:16:58.000 It doesn't happen in mathematics. And, you know, the definition of a mammal doesn't suddenly drift

00:17:02.920 from, you know, one year to the next. So I do think that we're going to need to find some way

00:17:07.220 to ground our belief systems in stuff that doesn't change just based upon the winds of political

00:17:14.640 tides or infiltration or subversion or people just go in a particular way and then so that's

00:17:20.880 my sort of argument is that if the morals are based upon what feels better the problem is then

00:17:25.420 with political correctness they just apply negative pressure to people to get them to

00:17:30.400 change their beliefs and you can see these beliefs uh drifting all the time and christianity as you

00:17:34.900 point out now would be unrecognizable even to the christianity that i was instructed in

00:17:39.100 as a child lo those many moons ago and that that's troubling for me that if the basic values of that

00:17:45.480 drifty uh where do we stand well and the final point i would make on this is just i i also

00:17:51.840 separate faith from philosophy or rationality frankly like i i see it as a different type of

00:18:02.100 thing because the nature of faith to me is believing in something that you can't see

00:18:06.660 or you can't verify you can't prove the way you can with logic and rationality and science and

00:18:13.660 all these other things and um so i see it as kind of a fundamentally different thing you have to

00:18:18.400 either choose to believe or not and you can't prove it and you know it would be similar in a

00:18:24.240 lot of ways to what scott adams used to buy with the simulation theory because he sort of seemed

00:18:29.800 to believe in that and um he had you know examples evidence things that happened in his life that i

00:18:36.100 think led him to believe that but um i think there's a lot of parallels i mean i used to say

00:18:41.860 like believing in the simulation theory is also an act of faith because you can't prove it you can't

00:18:47.480 prove that there's a simulation and that we're living in it you just have to kind of choose

00:18:52.380 whether or not you believe that or not you can't really definitively prove it and scott would kind

00:18:56.780 of argue that point and say well you know look at this that happened look at that that happened and

00:19:01.840 look at these things. But in reality, it's just the way he's explaining it. It's his interpretation

00:19:09.280 of what's going on behind that, that he can't see and he can't prove and he can't really see.

00:19:13.600 Maybe he knows today after he left this life, but none of us can really know what's on the other

00:19:20.020 side or what isn't. I just want to put my two cents in. So for me, I see that Chris, so back

00:19:28.200 in the day, we never really talked about religion, politics, and money, right? Which was kind of

00:19:33.560 nice. It was like a much more peaceful existence. And I think things were pretty good going on in

00:19:39.280 the world, going on in America. And then I think that we just didn't talk about it for so long

00:19:46.560 that people couldn't really instill their faith on other people because it was a thing you just

00:19:52.720 didn't do. And everybody was led to have their own opinions and you just left it alone.

00:19:56.740 And then I see with, I'm going to link it right to social media.

00:20:05.340 I'm going to link it to immigration, illegal or otherwise, and influences from around the

00:20:13.520 world.

00:20:14.560 I think that because people didn't talk about their faith, and I'm not even saying whether

00:20:21.440 I am religious or not in this, I'm just saying, but because people didn't talk about it or

00:20:26.420 maybe didn't pass it down to their children. Um, or, you know, just maybe people got lazy and

00:20:32.800 didn't go to church and didn't put their kids in whatever that school's called. Like when you do

00:20:37.340 the school for your religion, I think that people just got lazy and got away from it. And in the 0.99

00:20:43.400 meantime, there was a vacuum and these other things came in. And I remember when, um, Kabbalah

00:20:51.300 became like a trend, you know, and everyone's wearing their red string around their wrists. 0.60

00:20:56.040 And I'm like, do you really know what that's all about?

00:20:57.980 But, you know, so these things became trendy.

00:21:00.280 Oh, now I'm a Buddhist and I like meditating.

00:21:02.820 And, you know, so then everybody wanted to find their own little identity.

00:21:06.920 And I think that that had a lot to do with whether it was, you know, Christianity or

00:21:12.520 Catholicism or whatever it was just fading away from people because now people wanted

00:21:16.900 to kind of, you know, get trendy.

00:21:19.140 And then as far as Christianity, you know, going by the wayside, like in Africa, like

00:21:24.980 you're saying, I think that just has a lot to do with barbarians coming in and murdering so many 0.81

00:21:32.860 of them. You notice churches are burning to the ground at a number I cannot even believe. And I

00:21:39.860 always compare it to, I never saw a mosque on fire, but I've seen plenty of churches on fire.

00:21:45.640 So I think that there's a lot of societal changes, lazy people, people that want to feel

00:21:51.620 trendy and different and want their own identity. And going right back to, I, I know that you

00:21:58.100 believe in the family unit, Stefan. And I think that that's, that's part of the deterioration

00:22:04.540 of the family of religion. Um, everybody just got trendy and, um, and we allowed a vacuum and we

00:22:13.960 allowed evil to come in. And I'm not saying that everything about religion is like the way the

00:22:20.200 Bible is, I really don't know because I just don't know. But I do like the philosophy of

00:22:25.620 Jordan Peterson saying, act as if God exists. I think if you could at least act as if God exists

00:22:32.300 and those things might be true, then you have a much more civilized world where people have

00:22:39.320 parameters of what might be decent and what might not be. I just think if you don't have any guard

00:22:45.680 rails we're seeing complete and total chaos and to me it's frightening and i'm not a religious 0.99

00:22:51.360 person so i'd rather see people acting as if there is a god than not because when i see islam and 0.97

00:23:00.560 what they're allowed to do under sharia law and what they're allowed to do in their mosques and 0.97

00:23:06.080 what they can use them for that terrifies me so i just think i that's that's just my philosophy

00:23:13.360 on it. I don't know if it's so black or white. Definitely more than your two cents worth. That

00:23:18.020 was very, very eloquently put. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't want to barge in if you had thoughts about

00:23:22.940 that. No, go ahead, Stefan. I mean, there's a lot in what you said. The simulation theory,

00:23:30.480 this is an old Cartesian idea that like, what if I'm just a brain in a tank matrix style and being

00:23:35.400 manipulated by some external consciousness? So simulation theory can be rigorously opposed

00:23:41.140 just by looking at the problem of turtles all the way down, right?

00:23:44.560 So there's an old story.

00:23:45.940 I think it was Babylonian cosmology.

00:23:48.380 They said, you know, the world is sitting on elephants,

00:23:52.580 and the elephants are sitting on walruses,

00:23:54.620 and then underneath that is turtles.

00:23:56.920 And then people would say, well, what's underneath the turtles?

00:23:59.140 They'd say, no, it's turtles all the way down.

00:24:01.480 It keeps going, infinity of turtles.

00:24:03.780 It's like that would be a very deep soup bowl.

00:24:05.840 And so the question of simulation theory is the sort of two principles

00:24:09.620 that are important in science and math and philosophy,

00:24:13.540 Occam's razor and parsimony.

00:24:15.220 Now, Occam's razor basically just says,

00:24:17.020 don't unnecessarily multiply explanations.

00:24:19.580 In other words, don't say, well, you know,

00:24:21.060 gravity is a property of matter,

00:24:22.460 and it's angels with their little beating wings pushing down,

00:24:25.920 and on the backs of those angels are more angels pushing down.

00:24:28.960 It's like it's an additional couple of layers of explanation.

00:24:31.700 It doesn't really explain anything,

00:24:32.680 and it's not necessary to dealing with reality.

00:24:35.620 So if we are in a simulation, let's say that we are in a simulation,

00:24:38.700 well then there has to be something outside the simulation that is running the simulation right

00:24:43.720 some like in in the matrix it was the robots that were using human beings as batteries so

00:24:48.500 so they were in the real world so somewhere outside of the simulation there must be a real

00:24:53.460 world with entities and beings or whatever that's running the simulation and how do they know they're

00:24:58.740 not in a simulation well there could be another layer like it just and there's turtles all the

00:25:01.980 way up it's simulations all the way up and you have the problem of infinite regression

00:25:05.700 So you can simply say about simulation theory, I mean, obviously, there's no evidence for it,

00:25:10.120 and that there must be a non-simulation universe out there. Like, again, if we're a simulation,

00:25:15.000 there's got to be something outside of us that is the real world. And since there's no evidence

00:25:19.660 of simulation theory at all, and we have to accept with simulation theory that there's a real world

00:25:24.300 out there, then why not just make this the real world? Like, you don't add anything by adding sort

00:25:28.920 of simulation layers. Now, the simulation theory, though, as far as I understand Scott putting it

00:25:33.440 forward was absolutely fascinating because it unleashes the power of your mind and your

00:25:40.840 potential. If you say, I control reality, let's just say, like, I mean, I know you don't want to

00:25:45.760 go too far and I can fly and jump out of a building. But if you say there's no practical

00:25:52.220 limit to what my mind can achieve, that unleashes a whole lot of potential. Like the unconscious

00:25:58.680 mind is really not examined much by philosophers, maybe even by theologians, but the unconscious

00:26:04.500 mind has been clocked at 8,000 times faster than the conscious mind in particular calculations.

00:26:11.000 And the people who don't understand math at all, you know, when they're given things of sort of

00:26:15.620 social fairness, they run through the calculations at blinding speed. And so if you're sitting on

00:26:20.740 a part of the brain, a foundation of the brain, that is thousands and thousands of times faster

00:26:26.860 than what your conscious mind can do, you really want to harness that. And you don't want to pretend

00:26:31.260 that your conscious mind knows what your unconscious mind and your instincts and your

00:26:35.280 second gut brain in your belly, which actually has a bunch of neurons and is really, really important,

00:26:39.520 you know, the gut feeling, the gut sense. So what I love about simulation theory as a sort of mental

00:26:44.880 exercise is if you say, well, what if there's no practical limit outside of physics to what my brain

00:26:51.600 can accomplish. And of course, seeing the arc of Scott Adams' life from relatively dweebish,

00:26:59.440 and I say this myself as a teen dweeb, relatively dweebish to sort of bank teller, to cartoonist,

00:27:04.780 to successful author people don't recognize, or maybe they don't know, the degree to which he was

00:27:10.120 absolutely incredible public speaker. And of course, that was his big income prior to COVID

00:27:14.720 and the deplatforming and so on, to astute political analyst, to incredible podcaster,

00:27:21.180 you know, the talent stack. He didn't put any practical limit on what he felt his brain was

00:27:27.280 capable of. And you just try. You just try things and see whether you're good at them. And Scott

00:27:33.080 was so brilliant and so accomplished. And so it's a kind of modesty that is really, really important.

00:27:41.580 Immodest people say, I know the limits of my brain's capabilities. Modest people say, I don't

00:27:47.060 No, I have no idea.

00:27:48.380 I don't know what I'm capable of

00:27:49.700 because there's layers to the brain, right?

00:27:52.240 And there's the conscious mind,

00:27:53.680 there's the unconscious mind,

00:27:54.800 there's the gut reptilian instincts,

00:27:56.620 there's creativity, there's dreams at night.

00:27:58.600 There's so much going on in the brain

00:28:00.100 that we can't really understand that saying,

00:28:03.060 well, I can't do that, that's beyond my capabilities

00:28:05.380 is a form of vanity,

00:28:06.560 like you're putting a cap on what you think you can do.

00:28:09.780 So I do love simulation theories and mental exercise

00:28:12.420 to say, well, what if I can just kind of control everything

00:28:14.540 and I'm capable of doing anything

00:28:15.860 and there's no limit to my abilities the amount of human potential that gets unleashed by taking

00:28:20.980 that ceiling off and taking that lid off it's just incredible and i think scott did an amazing job

00:28:26.100 of not just displaying that but also reminding his audience and saying you are way more powerful

00:28:31.220 than you think and if you put a cap on your power it's unnecessary and kind of dehumanizes you in a

00:28:37.220 way oh yeah and he has uh you know the the whole user interface to reality which is kind of based

00:28:43.380 on that idea to some extent um and i think a lot of that was just sort of empowering people

00:28:49.280 empowering people to do that and i also just like the way he thought about things in terms of their

00:28:53.780 utility or you know is this useful like he had all these different frames he would put on things

00:28:57.980 filters he would call them like persuasion filter and other things ways of interpreting things and

00:29:03.500 ways of predicting things and um it did seem to me like he would just take what's useful and say

00:29:10.100 oh well if this makes me more effective or gives me more options or allows me to do more then it's

00:29:17.920 useful and i'm going to use it and i'm going to believe it or i'm going to at least you know put

00:29:22.360 it to use and i i thought the same thing about his idea of us not having free will that um you know

00:29:28.840 that was another thing that a lot of people in the comments would argue about all the time and

00:29:32.720 it's kind of a hard thing for a lot of people to accept that you don't have free will because it

00:29:35.960 certainly seems like you do. And, um, but he would argue that you don't and that everything's

00:29:40.780 determined and that, you know, I mean, there is some science, I think backing that to some extent

00:29:45.140 where they've shown that when you make a decision or when you think you made a decision, it actually

00:29:51.380 happened earlier than that. And so like you, you, apparently there is at least some brain evidence

00:29:58.300 that when you make a choice, it happens before you're aware of it. And so like when you think

00:30:05.820 you made a decision it actually happened a half second or a second before that and um but I think

00:30:11.820 when I really thought about that lack of free will I just kind of stepped back and said okay well what

00:30:16.240 does that do like what's the utility of believing that and for the most part I kind of concluded

00:30:23.640 well it really doesn't matter whether you believe it or not because he even Scott would even say

00:30:28.240 like there's the illusion of free will we all kind of have this illusion um and it's like well

00:30:33.840 why does it matter whether you believe it or not and what i came to conclude was

00:30:38.000 if you believe there's no free will then you're going to be a lot less judgmental of people

00:30:43.280 and that seemed to be the fundamental difference in my mind where like and scott was very non

00:30:49.660 judgmental like he was very accepting of other people he was he would say that people would

00:30:53.760 reveal stuff to him all the time that he wouldn't expect them to um and i think it came from that

00:31:00.220 just aura of being nonjudgmental like you you felt safe saying anything to him because you just

00:31:07.040 knew that he wasn't going to judge you for it and i think people can sense that and other people

00:31:10.940 you know is it safe to to reveal this thing to them and some people just naturally be like yeah

00:31:17.320 all the weirdos and wackos just talk to me and say all this stuff to me and other people would

00:31:22.700 be like no one ever does that to me and i think it's because they you can kind of sense when 0.99

00:31:26.560 you're talking to someone is this person judging me right now or are they you know open and willing

00:31:32.780 to accept the way i am yeah um we're going deep today man i know i know god uh culture religion

00:31:42.500 free will simulation theory i love it man this is this is the waters i swim in so i'm happy to keep

00:31:48.080 going but it's your show so take it where you want um somebody boo dog in the chat boo what what is

00:31:54.760 your question about the Ten Commandments, that they're unchanging. I don't know exactly what

00:32:00.160 your question for Stefan is about that, but if you let me know, I'll ask him.

00:32:04.220 Oh, I think I know what he means. So I was talking about how Christianity drifts,

00:32:08.520 and yet the Ten Commandments are sort of solid and foundational. Well, but science and math

00:32:16.860 don't drift, and logic doesn't drift, right? So the sort of classic formulation of the first

00:32:22.740 syllogism, right? All men are mortals. Socrates is a man. Therefore, Socrates is mortal. Sort of

00:32:27.220 the three laws of logic developed by Aristotle, or at least first identified by Aristotle,

00:32:30.980 they haven't changed. Nothing has changed in terms of logic and math and geometry and so on.

00:32:37.380 I don't know if I completely agree with that.

00:32:40.060 But Christian doctrines have drifted. Sorry, go ahead.

00:32:42.840 I was just going to say, I don't know if I would completely agree with that, only that

00:32:45.800 I think we discover new things about science and logic and other things as well.

00:32:54.060 You know, I mean, even the philosophers, it's evolved over time, these different schools

00:32:57.820 of thought and are certainly our understanding of reality changes all the time.

00:33:03.080 And I think there are a lot of things that we really don't understand.

00:33:06.000 We might think we do, but then it ends up being disproven over time.

00:33:10.560 So I do think that I don't think science is something that just doesn't change.

00:33:15.520 Well, no, but that's a bit of a straw man, right?

00:33:17.600 I'm not saying that our knowledge doesn't change.

00:33:19.680 Of course, our knowledge expands and grows all the time.

00:33:21.900 What I'm talking about is principles of geometry and logic and so on, and the scientific method

00:33:27.020 as a whole, and, you know, the sort of science, the gravity, we can maybe get a deeper understanding

00:33:32.480 of gravity, but gravity doesn't sort of flip around like you're dialing it up and down

00:33:36.200 in some video game.

00:33:37.520 And so the principles of reason and the principles of geometry don't change over time.

00:33:43.740 And sure, yeah, absolutely, of course, of course.

00:33:45.600 I mean, it's a completely obvious thing to say.

00:33:48.080 Our knowledge grows and our understandings of things changes.

00:33:51.300 But the principles of rational proof and consistency,

00:33:55.220 particularly in reason, the art of logic,

00:33:58.160 and in mathematics and geometry, they don't change, right?

00:34:01.580 The opposite angle theory is as true now as when it was first synthesized and so on.

00:34:06.240 So, yeah, the principles don't change.

00:34:07.640 But, yeah, certainly the content does.

00:34:11.300 Owen's satisfied?

00:34:13.060 Yeah, I am.

00:34:14.360 Okay.

00:34:14.800 So I do want to switch up for a second because, um, Stefan, I just crack up at your Twitter

00:34:22.440 account.

00:34:22.940 I was telling you prior.

00:34:24.600 So you guys, I'm sure you're all following Stefan by now.

00:34:27.700 If you're not, come on, let's get in the game.

00:34:29.700 Um, if you guys in the chat could drop his handle, um, so other people can click on it

00:34:35.360 and follow, uh, Stefan on X, but I just, I'm just going to pull up your X account.

00:34:41.480 I just, I'm going to read like a few posts that you made. Okay. So I know a lot of this has been

00:34:47.560 kicked off. We talked about the Lindsay Clancy case just a little bit yesterday. And now there's

00:34:54.040 these women that are just, again, like Kabbalah, trying to find their clicks and their attention 1.00

00:35:01.360 by, you know, thinking they're doing something. I don't know if they think it's virtuous. I think 1.00

00:35:07.120 they just want to have attention or feel relevant or, I don't know, have a say in something. So some

00:35:14.020 of your posts have been amazing. I'm just going to read a few. I love this. Normalize asking for

00:35:20.240 women how many cookbooks they have on the first date. Another one is women are mostly repressed 1.00

00:35:27.100 by their own ridiculous standards. You wrote, oh, this one here. Oh no, that one's there. Okay. 1.00

00:35:34.520 then let me scroll a little bit. Countless women are revealing the grim reality of false 1.00

00:35:39.360 accusations against men by blaming Patrick Clancy for the murder of his children.

00:35:46.440 And then you have a lot of clips that you show of these women. I was telling them yesterday,

00:35:52.260 there's just countless clips of women holding their babies. It's so sad and just complaining

00:35:58.680 and everything. Then you wrote, seeing how many appalling mothers there are out there.

00:36:04.000 I hope people understand why I said it was fine for adults to go no contact with abusive parents

00:36:10.740 decades ago and got relentlessly attacked for it, of course. So, I mean, and it goes on and on.

00:36:16.840 And again, I love all of it because people are so afraid. I think, I don't know if afraid's a word,

00:36:24.060 but like they just have a fear of like not being in their place. And so on my ex-bio, I always

00:36:31.900 right. Um, it says saying the things that you're thinking, because I, I rail against women, 1.00

00:36:39.080 not on purpose, but often because maybe because I am a woman. And so maybe some, 0.58

00:36:46.120 usually the men are like, thank God someone's saying it because they feel like they can't,

00:36:50.020 but I love that you can, and you are. And I think it's perfectly appropriate for a man to have an

00:36:57.480 opinion about things with women. I know Scott and I disagreed, not about whether abortion should be 0.75

00:37:06.320 legal or illegal, but he just felt like, I'm a man, I shouldn't have a say in this. And my opinion

00:37:12.680 was, well, if you're the baby's father, you should absolutely have a say in this. So I just want to

00:37:20.120 give you the floor now because um there is definitely something wrong in the universe

00:37:26.760 with family marriage babies uh traditional roles you know what you know what's your take on what

00:37:35.480 you're saying and how do we fix it no i'm just kidding no no problem we got three minutes i can

00:37:40.840 i can do all of that in three minutes um well yeah so i mean the the the cookbook thing i think is

00:37:46.920 very interesting because one of the things that has become a challenge for a lot of modern women

00:37:50.840 and i absolutely adore and love women of course i'm married to a wonderful wife i have a daughter 1.00

00:37:55.960 who i absolutely adore and so um when when crazy women are out there it lowers the reputation of 1.00

00:38:02.440 rational women and i don't want the crazy women out there flooding everyone's timeline and having 0.94

00:38:06.760 men walk away with this bewildered impression that estrogen is some sort of scrub factor that takes

00:38:11.400 away human reason and that is not you know women can can reason and beautifully and and i've been

00:38:15.880 been very influenced by female i've actually been influenced more by female philosophers

00:38:19.100 and thinkers than male philosophers so the the cookbook thing i think is interesting because

00:38:24.860 among young women there is a sense you know there's this question like well what what do

00:38:29.760 you bring to the table i am the table and it's like no that's that's not really a thing you know

00:38:33.920 because basically that's saying that for a young woman that what you bring to the table is the

00:38:38.840 potential for sexual access and that is not something that is given to you by your reason

00:38:43.840 It is not something that's given to you by a virtue.

00:38:46.000 It's just something that is implanted in nature, right?

00:38:48.480 That men have high sex drives, particularly young men, and they want to have sex. 0.58

00:38:52.900 And so they'll take these women out and the women just have to exist and don't have to 0.99

00:38:57.020 provide a value back to the man. 0.87

00:39:00.180 So if the man, 90% of dates are initiated by men and 90% of those dates, the man offers

00:39:06.540 to pay and usually does pay. 0.84

00:39:08.500 And so if the woman says, I want you to pay, okay, that's fine. 0.98

00:39:12.600 I want you to ask. 0.97

00:39:13.320 I want you to risk rejection.

00:39:14.320 I want you to pay.

00:39:14.980 That's totally fine.

00:39:15.700 I have no issue with that.

00:39:17.120 I hear men get rejected.

00:39:18.780 Of course, I never experienced that myself.

00:39:20.520 But I hear tell from the drums in the wilderness that this happens.

00:39:24.980 But then, of course, the man is bringing value.

00:39:27.140 He's risking his ego.

00:39:28.580 He's going to ask the woman out. 0.99

00:39:29.520 He's going to pay. 0.93

00:39:30.120 He's going to plan things and so on.

00:39:31.660 And that's fine.

00:39:32.880 But where's the reciprocal value?

00:39:34.460 And it cannot be just sexual access. 1.00

00:39:36.260 That is degrading to women's potential. 0.81

00:39:39.960 You know, men and women desperately need each other. 0.99

00:39:41.900 We are the yin and the yang. I just did a show about this two days ago. We desperately need to

00:39:47.140 balance each other. Women's empathy balances man's somewhat cold rationality at times. 0.98

00:39:52.340 Men's meritocracy needs to be blunted by women's redistributive instincts in the family and so on.

00:39:56.680 So we really need each other. And women can provide and do provide enormous value to men. 0.69

00:40:02.880 And if women come on a date with the expectation that only the man has to provide value and they 0.91

00:40:08.100 just have to sort of sit there like a royalty and just have people kiss the hem of her garment, 0.99

00:40:13.420 that produces an appalling sense of vanity and entitlement. And it doesn't help women understand 1.00

00:40:19.460 that for relationships to sustain, both parties need to be providing a significant amount of 0.91

00:40:25.140 value. And if the woman is just like, well, you provide me value, like again, like the queen with

00:40:28.880 the courtiers, you know, you just have to praise me, you have to provide me value, I don't have 1.00

00:40:32.560 to provide view value actually heads off a cliff of depopulation because if women don't feel like

00:40:38.760 well they need to provide value and why do men pay men pay because we want to show that we're 0.72

00:40:42.920 good earners and providers and we're generous in return for what in return for the woman having 0.99

00:40:46.600 children and hopefully raising the children so our culture can i don't know continue and so women

00:40:51.880 men show resource acquisition and generosity so that women uh in traditionally would uh you know

00:40:58.120 become running households and have a bushload of children, a bushload of children, and then

00:41:03.180 and all of that. So if the man is saying, and I know this is like compressing the tweet down

00:41:07.660 considerably, but if the man is saying, listen, I'm happy to ask you out, I'm happy to take you

00:41:11.520 out. I'm just curious how many cookbooks do you have? In other words, do you know something about

00:41:16.260 running a household? Because, you know, sex is about children and sex is about continuing 0.93

00:41:20.820 the culture, the lineage, the bloodline, and so on. And so do you know something about running

00:41:25.660 household now if the woman says i don't cook for no man i don't run no household i ain't going to 0.99

00:41:31.260 have no children then she's saying i'm not going to provide the value of children lineage continuation 1.00

00:41:37.980 education household running and that's fine women can absolutely choose to do that but then they got 1.00

00:41:42.540 to pay half right and they don't be in a situation where you're showing your resource provision and 0.99

00:41:46.940 generosity in return for the continuation of the bloodline with a woman who doesn't want any of 0.94

00:41:51.100 those roles then that's fine then she wants to live kind of like a man then she should pay half

00:41:54.780 sorry go ahead no i was just gonna say it's the same thing like when i know someone who's

00:41:59.100 you know starting to date someone or whatever i'm always like can they change attire

00:42:03.100 uh you know like it's the same thing can you cook can you change attire i mean

00:42:07.900 you know and and i don't i don't like the idea of like oh things should be 50 50 i'm like no

00:42:12.700 they should be a hundred a hundred so bring a hundred percent of yourself you bring a hundred

00:42:17.260 percent of yourself why would you want 50 50 like you know give it your all and and there's you know 1.00

00:42:23.180 a reason that we're attracted to our mates. It's like, but I think again, I hate social media. I

00:42:33.300 just feel like it has ruined everything. I think if it all went away, people had to like look at

00:42:39.100 themselves in the mirror and look around and not, you know, just be doing things for people to

00:42:43.520 fake admire them. You would have to see like, yeah, I actually don't bring anything to the

00:42:49.340 table. I'm doing everything for people that don't know me to like my post. And at the end of the

00:42:54.460 day, I'm left with this shell of a person who really isn't providing anything to anyone. And

00:42:59.420 I think that's what I see mostly from the younger generation. It's pretty gross. And 0.82

00:43:04.800 I can't imagine being a man or a woman right now trying to date because it's so fake and it's so 1.00

00:43:17.700 transactional um and shallow and i don't know like from from meeting people to weddings and 0.99

00:43:27.060 like all these like elaborate weddings that are all performative it's like you guys what the hell

00:43:31.520 is going on so i feel like we've really lost our way and we're so distracted that all of the things

00:43:37.800 that are really important are slipping away um yeah it's sorry it's very tough for dating these

00:43:44.480 days, and you know, believe it or not, although I'm, I'm getting up there, I certainly do have

00:43:49.700 a window on younger dating for a variety of reasons. In general, what seems to have to

00:43:53.800 happen with dating these days, and I'd love to hear from your audience. And if they have questions

00:43:57.260 or comments that change this, what I've seen is that women, young women need to help build

00:44:02.880 the men up because, uh, particularly white males are so attacked and, and, you know,

00:44:08.140 racists and colonizers and, and slave owners and, and, and just, they're just really,

00:44:13.140 really torn down in the modern culture because, well, for a variety of reasons. And so boys need 0.90

00:44:19.040 to be kind of built up to have a healthy level of self-assessment and potential and all of that. 0.82

00:44:25.220 And women, I think, can do that in a very effective way. But so a deficiency in self-esteem 0.77

00:44:32.060 needs to be corrected among young men. But I would also argue an excess of self-esteem needs to be

00:44:38.380 pull back for women as a whole. You are not of value just because you're pretty. That's accidental. 1.00

00:44:43.740 That's given to you by nature or God or whatever you want to say. You can't claim that you're a

00:44:47.460 valuable person because men have 18 times the testosterone levels of women and tend to be lusty 0.92

00:44:51.880 young beasts and so on. That doesn't actually make you of value. That's just accidental. That's like 0.69

00:44:57.040 being born into a huge amount of wealth and saying, look what a great businessman I am. It's like,

00:45:01.360 that's just not a real thing. And so helping for women to help build up the confidence of boys 1.00

00:45:06.400 who've had it sort of ground down and stripped down through like media and education and other

00:45:10.220 things but also women need to be able to sacrifice some of their vanity and say look I actually need 1.00

00:45:15.440 to provide value I can't just be born royalty and and of course you know all the simps pouring 1.00

00:45:20.140 into their dms and so on it's just terrible for women because it makes them feel like you know 1.00

00:45:24.180 you you put a low-cut top on and then you got a thousand guys who think you're some sort of green 0.98

00:45:28.960 glowing venus goddess of all time that's really really unhealthy so I think the combination of 0.82

00:45:34.120 the two race men's self-esteem maybe maybe bring women's vanity down just a smidge so that there's 0.97

00:45:40.200 an even playing field but it's it's easier to build someone up than it is to try and claw back 0.86

00:45:45.460 some of their vanity because people want to be built up but people don't like getting that vanity

00:45:50.400 punctured a little bit which is sort of the cookbook question it's like okay well what do

00:45:54.000 you provide other than being attractive what do you provide other than being sort of a young

00:45:58.620 fertile female and so on and that is really really important because if you just feel like

00:46:03.680 you don't have to bring anything to the table you just have to breathe and exist and maybe not eat

00:46:07.840 too many muffins uh that is that is not going to work out for relationships in the long run because

00:46:13.200 men are really good at assessing value otherwise the free market wouldn't be so productive

00:46:17.520 yeah so oh and we were talking about that lindsey clancy case yesterday and um you know i i was

00:46:25.200 talking to a friend yesterday and i was like you know i don't know too much about it i know the

00:46:29.520 the gist. Okay. And I was like, wow, I really feel bad for her husband. You know, my God,

00:46:34.280 like now he's got to sit there and relive this again. And he's, you know, and I said to one of

00:46:38.780 my, my girlfriends last night, I said, oh, you know, I feel bad for him. And she was like, oh,

00:46:44.000 and I was like, what? And I'm like, do you think, do you think he's guilty or something? And she's

00:46:49.200 like, I do. I think he killed the kids. And I was like, but he's not on trial. She admitted it.

00:46:54.580 there's absolutely zero proof that he did anything to hurt his kids. And it's just weird

00:47:02.820 that it was taken there. And so I'm just so flabbergasted. And Owen, you just take it for

00:47:10.960 a second, but it just seems like wherever a woman can blame a man that that's what they're doing 0.54

00:47:17.840 anymore. And I'm just like, how is this a conspiracy theory? Where did the conspiracy 0.59

00:47:22.680 come from? I don't know. I mean, I don't know the theory, but like, I don't know what people

00:47:30.000 are arguing in terms of saying it was the man that did it. Like, are they actually saying that

00:47:34.360 he literally killed the kids? Yes, yes. Sorry to interrupt, but one of the arguments is that the

00:47:40.380 horrible exercise bans that we use to strangle the children, that they have his DNA on them,

00:47:46.000 and therefore he did it. And of course, the answer is that he was desperately trying to

00:47:49.160 get his children back to life by pulling the vans off and so little things like that that but she

00:47:54.140 has she's completely confessed the trial is not about whether she did it or not she said i did it

00:47:58.700 her lawyer has said she did it the question is whether she was mentally competent and should be

00:48:02.540 held criminally liable or whether she was uh suffering from a mental illness severe enough

00:48:07.240 to remove moral responsibility sorry i wouldn't go ahead no well i mean i i do think that there

00:48:11.880 is an issue that that and i think it's aligned with what you were saying earlier that there are

00:48:16.980 at least some women that just have trouble taking accountability for anything and don't want women

00:48:21.680 to have accountability for anything that they in this case did something horrible and you know for 1.00

00:48:29.580 some reason women are rallying to her defense as if there was some justification for that 1.00

00:48:35.120 and that's certainly something i don't understand like i mean to your point there are good women 0.98

00:48:40.000 and there are crazy women and and this seems to be one in the crazy category whether or not she's 0.90

00:48:46.140 mentally competent to stand trial is a totally different question. But I think, you know, 0.99

00:48:50.720 someone who kills their kids, I don't think is someone anyone should be defending. And I think

00:48:55.020 we should be looking for what caused it to say, how can we prevent more of these things from

00:48:59.640 happening? And I pointed to SSRIs as a potential cause to look at. But I think, you know, it does

00:49:08.720 certainly surprised me that people are rallying her defense and somehow blaming the man for what

00:49:16.320 she did in any sense. And, um, you know, I, I understand there, there is real depression in

00:49:23.680 the world that people are depressed and they have hard times, whether it's postpartum depression or

00:49:28.320 other things. But, um, again, it doesn't justify bad actions. It doesn't justify killing your kids.

00:49:34.840 And that's just like killing your own kids seems like almost one of the most horrible 1.00

00:49:38.560 things you can do to me. 1.00

00:49:41.220 Yeah, absolutely.

00:49:42.580 But Stefan, you're all over this.

00:49:44.240 So give us your assessment.

00:49:46.540 Oh, oh, it's too much.

00:49:48.620 It's too much.

00:49:49.240 I do want to clarify.

00:49:50.620 Okay, you guys, like, you know, I don't like qualifiers, but I'm going to say it for those

00:49:55.580 of you in the chat.

00:49:56.560 Yes, not all women and not all men.

00:49:59.120 Whenever we're saying something, not all, maybe Andy, maybe it's 25%, as Scott would

00:50:03.760 say, but we're just saying that this is like a, um, this is like an epidemic now where everything

00:50:10.940 gets turned into a conspiracy theory. Typically the man ends up becoming a victim no matter what's

00:50:17.680 happening. And, you know, it's not a good look and, and women, you know, it's like so interesting 0.98

00:50:23.780 what you'll band with women to like what subjects and like what you won't, um, none of it makes

00:50:30.620 sense. So again, the lawyer is saying, yes, she killed her kids. So you guys, you got to get that

00:50:37.080 out of your head. It's kind of a gross reaction to something. The man lost his three children.

00:50:42.260 They were murdered. Whether you liked him as a husband or not has nothing to do with the fact

00:50:47.140 that his three children were murdered. And postpartum psychosis or not, Megan Kelly was

00:50:56.200 talking about this case and she made a great um point was that who was the the cannibal guy that

00:51:03.040 was like killing everybody and Jeffrey Dahmer Jeffrey Dahmer so he tried to use insanity

00:51:10.080 okay for what he was doing and it the judge was like no it like you knew what you were doing you

00:51:17.200 weren't insane like you had a thought process and it was methodical so if Jeffrey Dahmer isn't going

00:51:22.360 to get insanity, this woman, Lindsay, is not going to get it because she was very coherent. And yes,

00:51:28.520 she had mental illness, but that doesn't mean she was psychotic and out of her mind. So I can feel

00:51:36.060 sorry that she was so messed up for so long, but she knew what she was doing, is my opinion. But

00:51:42.400 go ahead, Stéphane, this is your wheelhouse. Well, she had a lot of support. So saying that

00:51:47.680 system failed her she had a huge amount of support her husband made like three four hundred thousand

00:51:53.280 dollars a year he switched to working from home and she had her mother she had her father come 1.00

00:51:58.480 over and help they had a nanny uh and of course every modern convenience that you know when i

00:52:04.480 grew up we we we had to feed quarters uh into the heat meter in in in winter to stay warm and we

00:52:11.680 didn't have any laundry uh in the place and things were just nuts and i i actually worked after high

00:52:17.120 school up north in canada gold panning and prospecting lived in a tent for like a year

00:52:22.320 and no amenities and so on and and so so she had like every modern conceivable amenity she had

00:52:28.560 access to the top-notch healthcare i mean i'm not a big fan of the ssris but you know it's not known

00:52:34.560 exactly how many she was taking whether she was doctor shopping that doesn't seem as likely as

00:52:38.160 people guess because a lot of the same doctors were prescribing her stuff so that's not exactly

00:52:42.240 doctor shopping. But she had a lot of support. So the question to me is, what has happened to

00:52:49.020 women's sense of virtue and consequences? And again, not all women. My aunts, when I was younger,

00:52:56.320 very strict in enforcing social norms. If a woman had an affair, she was cut out of the friend group. 1.00

00:53:01.980 She'd never be invited anywhere. Women can be amazingly powerful at enforcing social norms 1.00

00:53:07.840 in the soft power of ostracism and exclusion really just amazing men we tend to you know

00:53:12.580 thump people in the head uh when they do wrong but women can freeze out and ostracize which is

00:53:17.560 even more powerful in many ways many ways so what's happened with modern women i don't think 0.98

00:53:22.060 it's super excuse me complicated what's happened is when women got the vote and men of course we

00:53:30.420 love to please women we live to please women because evolutionarily speaking tons of men

00:53:35.320 didn't reproduce if they didn't please women, so we had to please women. So what's happened is

00:53:39.020 women get upset, and men and politicians and the government and the treasury throw infinite 1.00

00:53:44.420 resources, or at least as infinite as they can be, in a fiat currency system at women so that they 1.00

00:53:49.040 don't experience negative consequences from their bad decisions. So if a woman doesn't get married, 1.00

00:53:55.060 she still gets huge amounts of welfare, and she still gets huge amounts of government support, 1.00

00:54:00.420 and she can get a job that's mandated by equality laws and so on. If a woman gets an STD, well, 0.95

00:54:07.120 she just gets healthcare and she gets, certainly in most socialized countries and a lot of places

00:54:11.460 in America with healthcare for the poor, she gets cured for free. If she has a child outside

00:54:15.840 of wedlock, well, she just gets government and support and free healthcare and free education 0.99

00:54:19.700 and so on. And if she doesn't save for her retirement, then, you know, people will step

00:54:23.880 in and sort of help her out. And morality comes from negative consequences. I mean,

00:54:28.400 if you didn't feel any pain you probably wouldn't really worry to worry that much about getting

00:54:31.720 injured morality comes out of negative consequences and what we've done as a society is we have taken

00:54:37.840 from women away oh if you if you got pregnant oopsie oh you can just have an abortion and it'll 0.73

00:54:42.420 be paid for by the government so the negative decisions that women make which are really the 0.90

00:54:49.120 most important decisions that women make like who they have children with and how they're going to 0.99

00:54:53.380 raise those children, and so on. That is the future of society, right? If women have children 1.00

00:54:58.340 with responsible men, you tend to have responsible children growing up. If women have children with 1.00

00:55:02.220 irresponsible men, you tend to have dysfunctional children growing up, fatherless children, 0.76

00:55:06.220 lower IQ children, and so on. And so it's really, really important that women make good decisions

00:55:11.540 about who they mate with. And the negative consequences of those bad decisions have 0.96

00:55:15.860 largely been stripped away. And if the woman is just dissatisfied in the marriage, even if she

00:55:19.660 has an affair, goes and sleeps with other men. She could just divorce the guy. She gets custody 0.99

00:55:24.780 90% of the time, the alimony, child support, welfare. And so what we've done is we've just

00:55:29.320 said to women, you will never suffer any negative material consequences from your

00:55:34.060 bad decisions, which is a terrible thing. I mean, imagine if we had a school system 0.99

00:55:37.940 where you could never fail. I mean, who would study? Who would be hardworking? Well, a few

00:55:41.840 autistic people, maybe whatever, right? But most people would be like, oh, I can't fail. You 0.99

00:55:46.420 remember that thing, I don't know, when I was a kid in school, they'd wheel in the AV unit,

00:55:50.560 you know, and the teacher who has hung over, but just put on a movie and just like sit in the back,

00:55:54.880 you know, just regretting his life choices. But of course, the first question we asked was,

00:55:59.100 is this going to be on the test? And if it wasn't on the test, I mean, we just pass notes and fool

00:56:04.840 around and, you know, doodle in our textbooks and so on. And now we've said there's nothing

00:56:11.520 that is going to suffer any negative consequences for bad decisions. And so women have kind of 1.00

00:56:17.340 drifted into a kind of massive debt and government subsidized unreality where they just can't make 1.00

00:56:24.620 any bad decisions. And if they do make a bad decision, it's a man's fault. Everybody knows

00:56:29.880 that any reasonably attractive women has like 20 or 30 guys who would love to date her. And if she 1.00

00:56:34.160 chooses the bad boy, well, it's just the bad boy's fault. And he fooled her. And so this lack of

00:56:39.400 agency that happens with women in a highly redistributive welfare state where they're 0.75

00:56:45.880 protected from negative consequences makes women less moral because in the same way that if you 0.74

00:56:52.320 know you can't fail in a course, you're just not going to study as hard. And so taking away 0.97

00:56:57.440 negative consequences from people turns them crazy. We are designed as a species to rub up

00:57:03.100 against reality, to have the resistance of, ooh, what if I make a bad choice? What if I make a bad

00:57:07.500 decision i've got to do the right thing because otherwise really really bad things will happen

00:57:11.580 we've taken that away in a material way from women as a whole and shifted the burden to men right

00:57:16.380 women get much more out of the tax system that they pay in the vice versa for men and when you

00:57:20.720 take away negative consequences from people we know this with kids right i mean oh you broke it 0.78

00:57:24.880 i'll buy you another one oh yeah you made a mistake i'll just fix it oh you're doing badly in in in

00:57:30.100 school i'll just go yell at the teacher and make sure you pass if you take away negative consequences

00:57:34.200 from anyone they go kind of slowly crazy over time and we've now had two or three generations

00:57:39.580 of women where in the west there really aren't any catastrophic decisions that they can make 0.98

00:57:46.080 and then when women have made bad decisions and I used to get in trouble for this and I'll stop in 0.78

00:57:50.500 a sec back in the day I'm probably still will because I was pointing out to women like if you

00:57:54.780 don't have kids it's fine you know if you've got some big absorbing thing that you want to do with 0.99

00:57:58.040 your life rather than have kids totally fine but for most people for most people the big creative

00:58:02.620 and wonderful thing they can do is raise a family, have children. Because, you know, from the age of

00:58:06.920 40 to 85, that's a long stretch of years. And if you don't have kids, you know, and you're not

00:58:13.560 being pursued in the way that you were when you were a young woman, that's more than half your

00:58:17.280 life and more than double your adult life that you're going to have to find something to do. 0.95

00:58:22.060 And so what we do is the women who've made bad decisions, which is they haven't invested in 0.99

00:58:27.440 relationships, they haven't invested in children, and maybe they've just, you know, gone to work 0.74

00:58:31.140 and made money, but that doesn't fulfill you when you get older and certainly not in the 20 years

00:58:35.340 of retirement. We just take them out of the equation. We just don't show them anymore.

00:58:40.600 They're just gone. So those slow burn bad decisions, you know, men have a lot of time

00:58:46.720 to turn around bad decisions. You know, we can wake up at 40 and be like, oh man, I got to get

00:58:50.660 serious. I got to stop watching porn and playing video games and I got to buckle down and I got,

00:58:55.860 and you know, you've still got, you know, 30 years of productivity ahead of you, but a woman who 1.00

00:58:59.560 doesn't want to have kids who's sailing past four who doesn't want kids sails past 40 and changes

00:59:03.380 their mind like it's kind of too late yeah then you've got a long time to regret so taking away

00:59:08.220 negative consequences drives people crazy makes them amoral and i think that's one of the reasons 0.57

00:59:13.200 why women are like oh is there a woman experiencing negative consequences for bad decisions oh that 0.99

00:59:18.400 makes me upset i don't like that yeah well and i would i would throw in i would throw in that

00:59:24.200 and i know you talked about this and probably got in a lot of trouble for it about i think 0.70

00:59:29.500 Women are lied to, and it leads to these bad outcomes where women in their 20s have a lot

00:59:35.360 easier time having kids than women in their 30s, and women in their 30s have an easier time than 0.77

00:59:40.020 in their 40s. And I think a lot of women were told, oh, you have time. You should have a career

00:59:44.960 first. You can have a family later, or you can do it all, or whatever. And it's just not true.

00:59:51.540 And so a lot of women, I think, were deceived by that and were led down this path where suddenly

00:59:56.900 they don't have kids they can't have kids and now they're just stuck and nobody cares you know

01:00:02.720 nobody comes to save them because they can't I mean biologically you can't so like I think and

01:00:08.940 you still have it happening with AOC freezing your eggs and all this stuff and nobody seems to talk

01:00:13.400 about the fact that that's a very unlikely process to be successful statistically that it doesn't

01:00:20.100 often happen I mean it happens sometimes but the the success rate isn't like as certain as people

01:00:26.720 make it seem where you can just take your frozen embryos and just, you know, thaw them

01:00:31.620 whenever you feel like it and it'll be fine.

01:00:34.320 Because a lot of people have tried that and failed and a lot of people have gone through

01:00:38.060 the IVF stuff and failed and then they're just stuck, you know, they just don't have

01:00:44.500 those kids that they wanted. 1.00

01:00:46.240 And I think, unfortunately, a lot of women realize that too late where they just, you 1.00

01:00:52.680 know, thought that this was all going to work out and it didn't.

01:00:55.740 and um i think at a minimum i would hope we could just be honest about these things with women to

01:01:02.840 give them the advice or at least knowledge that you know if you make this choice if you get on

01:01:09.900 this path of having your career and putting off having kids you might come to regret it later

01:01:14.440 and no one's going to be able to save you well it's a it's a lot more fun to date than it is to

01:01:20.980 raise a baby I mean I'm jetting off to Ibiza you know like that's that's a lot of fun hanging out

01:01:26.580 on a yacht you know like I mean who wouldn't want to do that you know whereas uh I'm breastfeeding

01:01:31.720 and I've been up five times tonight and I haven't got my hair in three weeks it's a sacrifice it's

01:01:37.400 hard work you guys I mean you know no one's saying it's easy to have a child and to raise a family

01:01:43.120 it's it's hard but the reward is you know you you've raised a family and you know anyone who

01:01:50.440 has had anyone who has had kids would would certainly number one agree that yeah it's a lot

01:01:56.180 of hard work it's a lot of sacrifice it's not fun a lot of the time but at the same time

01:02:00.320 at least for most people putting apart this case we just talked about most parents would say I don't

01:02:07.020 regret it at all and I can't imagine not having done it and my kids are like the best thing I've

01:02:14.600 ever done in my life i mean my my wife has said that that having our two boys is the best thing

01:02:20.800 she ever did oh and please sorry to interrupt but please i would get on my knees and beg your

01:02:25.320 audience except i'd go out of frame and they'd just see the tip of my hat please lord above i

01:02:30.440 am an older dad if you can avoid being an older dad that's a big plus please please please do it

01:02:37.360 in your 20s because in your 20s you can get very little sleep and you can just bounce back like a

01:02:41.740 trampoline. You know, when my daughter was 10 and I was not 10, when my daughter was 10 and I'm in

01:02:48.620 my 50s, she's like, daddy, daddy, come climb a tree with me. And I'm like, I guess I could climb

01:02:55.680 the tree, but I'm like, you know, like she was like, oh, come on the zip line with me. And it's

01:03:00.660 like, I'd love to, I'm going to come on the zip line. I'm just telling you, my arms are going to

01:03:04.600 hurt for two weeks. It's just, it's just, please, please, Lord above, do it when you're young.

01:03:09.320 that's when nature wants you to have babies that's when it's the easiest to get pregnant

01:03:12.940 it's the easiest to balance back you'll have tons of energy oh and also you won't be some

01:03:17.920 crypt keeper methuselah like i'm gonna be when i become a grandparent i mean all that happens when

01:03:22.780 you delay having kids is you have fewer years with your grandchildren and fewer years to support

01:03:27.160 your children having their own children so for a variety of reasons i'm the smoker telling you not

01:03:33.040 to smoke so to speak for a variety of reasons become an older dad if it's your only option

01:03:36.940 or if that's what happens totally fine but please lord above recognize that you're going to get all

01:03:42.660 kinds of dusty and creaky over time and trying to keep up with a toddler and uh the sprint around

01:03:47.700 situation of dad let's play tag i'm like i just pay a younger guy to have you're like i i lose

01:03:54.120 so please lord above do it young and and you'll thank me later i totally understand i totally

01:04:02.900 agree that it's you know it's true for men too that like if you you know if you have your kids

01:04:07.720 younger then you get to see them grow up you get to see their kids you get to see them get married

01:04:12.660 and go through all the things that are just really satisfying in life you know it's just

01:04:17.440 i'm really looking forward to seeing my kids get married one day and to have their own kids one day

01:04:21.360 and i'm enjoying right now because my kids are home just seeing them as adults and just who they

01:04:28.240 became and being able to spend time with them that way. And you know, my brother had kids much

01:04:34.840 later and they're still young and he's the same age as me pretty much. And like, I just, I think

01:04:41.620 I, I think I made a better choice and it wasn't necessarily his choice. I mean, like, you know,

01:04:47.440 it took him as long as it did to find a mate and to, you know, start that process. So there's

01:04:51.920 nothing wrong with what my brother did is just, if I could choose one or the other, I would certainly

01:04:56.500 have chosen what I did in terms of getting married in my 20s a few years later starting to have kids

01:05:02.220 it just seems like I I look at his situation I'm like man I'm glad I did it when I did it

01:05:07.480 you know that I if I had waited 10 years it just seems like everything would have been a lot harder

01:05:12.780 and I would have gotten 10 less years with my kids well and when your kids say uh daddy chase

01:05:18.940 me on the monkey bars you can be like I'm it kid I'm chasing you on the monkey bars as opposed to

01:05:23.520 let me warm up for a little bit first. I need some massage. I need to stretch,

01:05:27.860 you know, all of that kind of stuff. So yeah, the spontaneity of younger parenting is

01:05:31.700 just a consummation devoutly to be wished. I love it, you guys. Thank you so much,

01:05:36.820 Stefan. So you guys listen, I think it's best that we have Stefan on more frequently. Wouldn't

01:05:43.480 you guys agree? So Stefan, we got to get you back here. We'd love you to come back after the debate

01:05:47.720 to and tell us how it went post-mortem yes let's do a little wrap up and i also want to say this

01:05:54.220 is why i say men should have a say in everything because here's two men right here that are

01:06:00.320 fathers and husbands and have a great family unit and life lives and men should have a say in

01:06:08.980 everything okay so um i hope we can change the trend of just trashing men and um women can vote

01:06:16.900 on war and they can't get drafted i mean everyone welcomes that conversation right sure sure um so

01:06:22.940 to the men thank you for being you we appreciate you and um stefan thank you so much for coming

01:06:29.560 on today we went a little bit late um owen thank you for being here and talking about

01:06:34.680 i do too totally get it it was all me but thank you thank you for you know sharing about your

01:06:43.320 lives too. And, you know, personal stories, you know, to you, Owen, too, like with, you know,

01:06:47.880 your family, it's, it's good. It's good for women and men to hear all about these things. There's

01:06:53.020 not enough conversation about it. So, all right, Stefan, we'll have you back sooner than later.

01:06:58.440 And thank you so, so much. We hope you enjoyed being here today. And, um, listen, we always say,

01:07:04.800 um, a special thank you to Scott and to Shelly for allowing the Scott Adams school to continue

01:07:10.540 and go on and thank you to every single person that shows up here on all the platforms and all

01:07:15.580 the replays that are going to happen later um we truly appreciate you and let's have a closing sip

01:07:22.160 to our beloved scott and you guys get out there be useful make the most of every single day

01:07:28.000 tomorrow is not promised okay all right to scott thank you for the invitation it was a great chat

01:07:34.160 thanks stefan we appreciate you

01:07:40.540 All right, guys, I can stay for a couple of seconds. Let's just wrap it up. Isn't that

01:07:48.540 great? I love when he comes on and he hasn't been on in so long. It's crazy.

01:07:55.160 Let's see. Beverly, I like your thing too. I think it's probably advantageous to have your

01:08:02.840 family first and then do a career later. I like it. Oh, people are going to work out. Who's going

01:08:13.880 to the beach? Anyone going on a boat? EJ, did you like that conversation? It was deep.

01:08:24.900 Oh, you just spent two weeks with the four-year-old grandson. That's nice.

01:08:28.920 hey annie how are you annie are you gonna join locals i think you should

01:08:38.740 you guys are so sweet um i'll see all your comments later you guys i am gonna run i'm

01:08:46.900 gonna get some things done and tomorrow let's hope marcella's back if she can finish up

01:08:52.700 her project. She'll be back with us tomorrow to finish out the week. I also realized, 0.94

01:08:59.720 so Walter, I know a lot of you were asking when Walter's coming on. It's just like a timing issue

01:09:05.600 right now, but my lesson learned is I have to not tell you when someone's coming on because if

01:09:12.120 their schedule changes, then everyone's like, but wait, what happened to? So I think I'll probably

01:09:18.280 just try to announce who the guests are like the day before, maybe something like that. So

01:09:22.760 expectations are managed, but you know, let's see who's no longer in New Jersey. Oh, I'm looking at

01:09:31.620 somebody else. Okay. Uh, yeah, I'd like to know too. I'll miss you also metal seer. All right,

01:09:38.800 you guys. Thanks boo. Yes. And yes, it would be nice if everybody would follow the 10 commandments.

01:09:45.180 I mean, like, I feel like we all need guidelines, right?

01:09:48.840 It's just good to have guidelines.

01:09:51.960 Aw, yeah, he's an interesting person.

01:09:55.960 And if you guys haven't seen Mike Cernovich's first movie called Hoaxed, I recommend it.

01:10:03.380 And Stefan is in Hoaxed.

01:10:05.560 And every time I watch Hoaxed, I've watched it several times, there's a scene with Stefan

01:10:10.520 at the end, and I cry every single time.

01:10:14.380 There's something about his voice and the way he delivers it every time I cry.

01:10:17.940 Oh, anyway.

01:10:18.880 All right, you guys say goodbye.

01:10:20.120 I don't want to cut you off, but we will see you tomorrow.

01:10:23.360 Have the best day ever, you guys.

01:10:27.180 Bye.

01:10:44.380 You

Real Coffee with Scott Adams - August 27, 2026

The Scott Adams School - 08⧸27⧸26 Stefan Molyneux returns!

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