Rebel News Podcast - ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Andrew Lawton and Spencer Fernando

00:00:00.000 thanks for watching another episode of andrew says we are here

00:00:09.640 live or at least we'll say we're live with andrew lawton and spencer fernando how are you guys doing

00:00:14.620 today i died like half an hour ago i'm not alive i don't know what you're talking about

00:00:20.260 i don't know what that means

00:00:22.820 spencer how are you good good very high energy today spencer okay uh it's early in the morning

00:00:33.240 i know um i'm thanking you guys for joining me the first thing i want to get to is with you

00:00:38.400 andrew i saw in ottawa the pictures i saw a brief video but i haven't seen a full recollection of

00:00:46.420 what happened when you got pepper sprayed can you review for our audience who maybe hasn't seen it

00:00:51.300 what exactly happened during your coverage in ottawa i know we probably saw it from different

00:00:56.820 angles i just want to get your take on what happened yeah and i'll try to give the condensed

00:01:02.300 version of the story but but the one thing i will draw attention to is that it happened

00:01:07.500 almost at the exact moment of the famous trampling incident where that indigenous woman was

00:01:13.360 basically pushed to the ground by a movement of police horses and it was actually my

00:01:17.740 effort to see what was happening there that really got me to miss what was happening to me or was

00:01:24.140 about to happen to me it was in front of the shadow laurier it was the the day before the protest was

00:01:29.920 really completely disbanded police were trying to push closer and closer to parliament hill and had

00:01:34.940 managed to do it until the shadow laurier which is about you know two blocks east or so of center block

00:01:40.900 and police had been keeping a pretty steady methodical pace for most of the morning which

00:01:47.060 made it easy if you were a journalist to be there and and kind of be able to predict where you could

00:01:52.380 safely be and i was where a lot of other journalists were especially news photographers

00:01:56.660 and it was at that exact moment that the tactic changed very dramatically police rushed forward

00:02:03.080 they broke either intentionally or unintentionally i don't know that solid line that they had that's why

00:02:09.680 you had the horses go out ahead over near the sides police actually started pushing people against

00:02:15.540 like a wall and that's where i got trapped and i didn't really have anywhere to go i wasn't able to

00:02:20.120 move back and that eventually despite being about you know six seven eight feet from the front line

00:02:25.260 i got pepper spray directly in my left eye and that was quite a shock because again i had been

00:02:31.680 following every order to obey i had been deliberately staying out of the clash that was at that immediate

00:02:37.320 front line of the protesters and police but evidently that was not enough how long did that take you out

00:02:43.260 of commission for because i know you were there reporting and doing a bunch of stories there how

00:02:47.760 long did that take you out for did or did you just keep going well immediately i mean immediately it took

00:02:53.300 me out for you know probably a good five ten minutes or so just trying to like in the field get back to a

00:02:59.060 point where i could see and my eye could open and i could work i mean that tweet that i put out

00:03:04.240 with that photo of just like the close-up of like my giant swollen face was something i was like doing

00:03:09.420 with kind of like one eye and and one finger as i was trying to kind of clean my eye out so it wasn't

00:03:14.140 actually so but i knew it was important to document but later on i ended up having to spend a couple of

00:03:18.900 hours going to the hospital and getting treated there because it was a particularly prolonged reaction

00:03:24.060 which they advise you to seek treatment for so i don't have an exact time but it wasn't just about

00:03:29.280 oh this minor inconvenience for a few minutes as i think a lot of people assume pepper spray is it

00:03:34.600 can actually do some damage and i think it can be reactivated too if you if you rent try to rinse it

00:03:40.680 out later given the like i said the live stream coverage and the coverage from people on the ground

00:03:46.460 do you think this sort of exacerbates or you know further separates people down party lines because you

00:03:53.140 could really get two worlds if you're looking at you know cbc or ctv coverage who are talking about

00:03:59.120 you know a lot about themselves and a lot about how dangerous and and uh how they're ravaging the

00:04:04.340 streets of audio or if you look at true north coverage who's on the ground you know talking to

00:04:08.520 people getting stuff at the front lines do you think this could further separate people and there

00:04:12.780 could be you know completely opposite interpretations depending on who you watch well i think that was

00:04:18.800 definitely the case and just look at i mean i know everyone talks about the bouncy castle and the hot tub

00:04:24.160 and all of these things but i think they're important symbols of it because to some people you would

00:04:28.440 look at the convoy and just see this big block party and other people you would look at the

00:04:33.520 convoy and see this radical haiti hate fest insurrection and again i'm not going to whitewash

00:04:39.560 it there were some people that of course were were not there and all just having fun i mean these

00:04:44.300 were isolated incidents though the general vibe the general atmosphere was a peaceful protest

00:04:48.560 and a very fun environment for people up until the very end and when you have people looking

00:04:54.440 at that and seeing a fringe minority with unacceptable views and seeing all of these

00:05:00.020 things that the media were claiming were happening there how can you not have this confusion in these

00:05:06.140 parallel societies that are unfolding so trudeau calls this emergency act and spencer i want to get

00:05:12.140 your take about when they go do that second vote and then they revoke it almost immediately within a

00:05:18.060 couple days what do you think was the purpose of that was that just trudeau flexing his muscles

00:05:22.360 saying hey look i can keep going with this with with impute with for as long as i want or is that

00:05:28.320 sort of actually them saying oh we don't need this anymore it turns out that we don't actually need it

00:05:33.720 or this is giving us blowback what's your take on them getting that vote and then basically taking it

00:05:39.220 away within a couple days yeah i think it was a way for him to kind of impose his will on the people

00:05:45.200 who in his caucus really who were starting to push back you had joel lightbound who was criticizing the

00:05:50.560 government and then you had i think uh i think it's nate erskine smith and he was kind of hinting

00:05:56.160 that he didn't like the idea but then he said he only voted for it because the government called it

00:06:00.440 a confidence motion so i think the liberals uh trudeau was starting to feel that he was getting

00:06:05.360 too much push back and he wanted to you know kind of threaten his own people and uh impose his will on

00:06:10.260 them and so it is kind of a flex of power to say you know i made you vote for this against your

00:06:14.680 your morals and against your beliefs and now two days later i'm revoking it i mean he also humiliated

00:06:19.560 jake meet singh which i'm sure he enjoyed doing so yeah i think it was really a power move

00:06:23.640 well what about the bloc coming in with the conservatives on these votes unanimously of

00:06:28.940 course and you've got four parties split uh two and two what do you think the strategy behind the

00:06:34.740 bloc coming in and supporting the conservatives was there they they always like throwing a wrench in 0.99

00:06:40.240 things it seems sometimes successfully sometimes very successfully sometimes nobody even notices

00:06:45.600 what do you think the strategy was for that particular vote yeah i think with the bloc it's

00:06:51.480 that they don't like the federal government imposing powers right they may not have opposed

00:06:55.660 uh exactly what the government was doing if they had been in charge of doing it perhaps in quebec

00:07:00.160 but they don't like the idea of the central federal government imposing things uh that would you know

00:07:04.980 influence what quebec could do or take away the rights of people in quebec right so it's not

00:07:09.460 necessarily the most altruistic position for them but that does sometimes line them up with

00:07:13.860 the conservatives who have lately been opposed to you know government overreach and government

00:07:18.240 infringement on individual freedoms so kind of a relationship of convenience there but you know

00:07:22.840 i think we'll take what we can get when it comes to politicians pushing back against some of this

00:07:26.240 stuff andrew do you see it the same way to add to that the yeah the only thing that i think the

00:07:31.280 bloc quebecois dislikes more than conservatives is federal government overreach into provincial affairs and

00:07:37.780 the last thing they want is the federal government going in and conscripting quebec tow truck drivers 0.70

00:07:43.260 freezing quebecers bank accounts all of these things so i mean i have a great deal of disagreement

00:07:47.720 with the bloc quebecois but on this i their concerns again especially given the invocation of the the old

00:07:54.260 war measures act and the flq i think quebecers have a very keen awareness for just how dangerous 0.99

00:07:59.320 legislation like this is for sure and it's always very interesting when you know enemy of my enemy

00:08:04.980 becomes my friend essentially which i think what what is what was happening there i want to move on

00:08:10.180 because i want to get you know how highly i consider you both in the canadian realm of politics i want

00:08:15.460 to get both of your takes on the conservative candidates that are coming up it's a few months

00:08:19.560 away and you know people are throwing their hat in and john surest if you i mean i just remember him

00:08:27.300 for his name but if you have voted for the first time within the last seven years let's say when

00:08:32.000 justin trudeau got into office you're probably not going to know who he is if let's say you

00:08:37.760 turned 18 and now you're 25 or 24 what do you think the the strategy is there is it one of these

00:08:44.300 situations where you hope that he's just a fresh face in some people's mind because he's jumped

00:08:49.080 around a lot what do you think the strategy is there is it just you know get myself back in there

00:08:53.540 get some money get some emails what do you guys think andrew you want to go first

00:08:56.860 yeah i i do think there is a legitimate question of of are you yesterday's candidate are you this

00:09:03.440 guy coming back i mean there's a history of that happening in canadian politics justin trudeau was

00:09:08.440 was gone was in retirement and came back and if you are just looking at it from an objective

00:09:13.020 historical point of view his most successful term in which he accomplished the most not saying that

00:09:18.440 it was good accomplishments but the one he accomplished the most in was undeniably his last term

00:09:23.440 so i do think there is a sense of someone coming out of retirement and having a last kick at the can

00:09:28.580 of sorts i as far as the the translation of that to voters i don't know one thing that is working in

00:09:34.780 his favor is that the media loves him the media loves talking about jean chariot people like jerry

00:09:39.340 butts are saying yeah we should all be paying attention to jean chariot and a former liberal

00:09:43.200 senator wrote an op-ed defending him as being a true conservative which is great because for for all of

00:09:49.180 my assessments of conservatism i go to liberal former members of the senate

00:09:53.240 but i think that legitimately canadians will will know the name and if they don't know it directly

00:09:59.640 they'll be told to know it they'll be told he's someone who's relevant but as we see that doesn't

00:10:04.720 always translate within a leadership contest to success peter mckay got that treatment he was the

00:10:09.840 one that everyone wanted he was the one that the globe and mail was writing about and in the end he

00:10:14.000 didn't even come close so as far as whether he is going to win or not i don't know if he's connected

00:10:19.700 enough to the conservative base or if he has enough of a campaign that he can sign up new members

00:10:24.900 convince current members that'll be the big question in a leadership context anyway spencer

00:10:30.320 how much influence do you think that some of these corporate media outlets can have in pushing like

00:10:35.220 somebody pushing somebody like him into contention well it could be quite a lot right because name

00:10:41.360 recognition is really half the battle if not more in a leadership race especially with a lot of

00:10:45.520 candidates and so he's going to get that immediately and you know as andrew said right people who don't

00:10:50.240 know of him will be made to know of him he's going to get more favorable coverage i mean you already

00:10:54.300 see look at the difference in coverage he's getting compared to pierre polyev right i mean it's quite

00:10:59.140 different and so that's going to be a challenge for polyev and for you know more true conservatives

00:11:03.880 in the race they're going to have to fight not just against the charade campaign but also against

00:11:07.580 the media and they're going to spin stories as well i mean it just you know came out a few days ago

00:11:12.500 that you know huawei is saying well no actually you know john charade wasn't actually doing that

00:11:16.500 much in terms of the two michaels it was uh it was more about 5g and lobbying the government for us

00:11:21.300 so i mean if that happened to someone like polyev that would be ever that'd be the main media story

00:11:26.000 right you know polyev caught lying or something like that so it's it's charade's going to get somewhat

00:11:30.540 better coverage than other people would but again with the rise of independent media and with social

00:11:34.500 media it's not quite as easy for the establishment press to push a narrative and then just assume

00:11:40.000 everyone's going to go along with it leslin lewis is probably an underdog in most people's uh books 0.98

00:11:46.640 during the last election you know she had i think one of the if not the most the second most votes if

00:11:54.800 i'm not uh overall if i'm not mistaken there and then she settled into her position that she is now

00:12:00.080 now she's running again do you guys think she has a shot at winning andrew do you think she has a shot

00:12:04.520 at winning or is this just bolstering her for further down the line because she's got a long career ahead of

00:12:09.820 her i think people like her she says a lot of good things she has good ideas she is one of the

00:12:14.420 people that's brave enough to come out against the grain against the party on some issues she did that

00:12:19.580 uh be one of the first people in uh to speak in ottawa what do you think her campaign's goals are 0.97

00:12:25.380 going into this well i think that the campaign goal is to win and i think that she did have a very

00:12:31.540 strong showing she was a relative unknown in 2020 had never held office no one had ever heard of her at

00:12:37.500 the beginning and ended up again with a very significant amount of name recognition and a

00:12:42.200 lot of support from a lot of members of the conservative base even a lot of peter mckay

00:12:46.480 supporters were putting her second on their ballot now i think that a lot would have to go right for

00:12:52.260 her for her to come out with a win but i should also qualify that by saying the ranked ballot makes

00:12:57.180 that possible so someone like roman babber who has done a lot of work on the anti-lockdown anti-vaccine

00:13:03.180 mandate stuff is not well known outside of ontario he could have a very strong showing and then his

00:13:08.920 support if he gets dropped off the ballot might flow to leslund lewis that's one example

00:13:13.000 if something really strange happens where jean chariot people are really really really not liking

00:13:19.520 pierre polyev and they want to just put anyone before him if he gets eliminated that could flow to

00:13:24.080 leslund lewis as well and she could also come out of the gate with a very strong amount of support on 0.99

00:13:28.640 the first ballot with the support she has from a lot of social conservative groups who are very well

00:13:33.440 organized so there is a path to victory it would require a lot of different things to happen but i

00:13:39.400 also think that she's starting not as an unknown this time she's starting as someone that came out of

00:13:43.520 the last leadership race unblemished and also someone who was sidelined by erin o'toole she was very high

00:13:50.900 profile because of her showing in the leadership and then after the election she's denied a portfolio in

00:13:56.340 the shadow cabinet denied a portfolio in the conservative leadership and she was really just

00:14:01.840 shoved to the back benches when a lot of people were saying uh why why is this woman who's speaking 0.98

00:14:06.580 for a lot of people in the party getting this treatment so i i think that there is a lot of

00:14:11.140 support for her i just don't know how much it's going to be and and where it's going to come from

00:14:14.940 spencer yeah i think you know in the last leadership race there was kind of a lack of energy you know from

00:14:22.920 uh the base you know they weren't too excited about a lot of the uh about a lot of the candidates and

00:14:28.060 so i think she benefited from that and that she was more outspoken and she was uh you know more true

00:14:33.060 to the the views of many people on the conservative base and the other candidates were seen to be

00:14:36.980 and so i think this time some of that energy is with pierre pauliev some you know will be with

00:14:41.780 roman baber and so i think she'll she'll do pretty well but i think she has a bit more of a challenge

00:14:46.380 this time in that the energy is you know a lot of the base is excited about some other candidates as

00:14:51.200 well she's not really the only one who's capturing that energy so i think it'll be a little more

00:14:55.260 difficult this time but it'll be interesting to see right i mean a lot of it's going to come down

00:14:59.560 to you know do patrick brown supporters go for sheree and do sheree supporters go for patrick

00:15:04.120 brown whether they have an official deal or not they seem to be certainly uh working relatively

00:15:08.780 closely together at least in their message i mean you see their people retweeting uh some of the

00:15:13.040 same stuff on twitter so i think it'll be interesting to see if you know lesla lewis

00:15:17.160 her supporters where they go and what impact that can have on the final ballot yeah and i want to

00:15:22.780 talk about patrick brown mainly his tactics is what i wanted to talk to you guys about regarding him

00:15:27.900 to me patrick brown is pulling out some of the let's say at least five years old 2016 style um

00:15:35.320 sort of an attack an attack campaign on pierre whether you agree with that or not i think he's

00:15:41.340 going that style a little bit and he's got his thing with the ice rink we all know his face when

00:15:46.220 david menzies caught him he's got his past controversies with uh all these allegations

00:15:50.860 uh a lot of it's been retracted by papers now what do you guys think do you think this andrew do you

00:15:56.580 think this is the style of campaign is going to work he's got a lot of support in his city i feel

00:16:01.500 like judging by the people who came out and supported him uh last week do you think this

00:16:06.040 style of campaign is going to gain a lot of ground for him sort of going head to head with pierre

00:16:10.180 polyevre it's i mean again it certainly is dragging the perceived front runner into a fight which means

00:16:18.780 that you are seen by a lot of people as being at their level i mean if pierre polyevre didn't think

00:16:23.880 patrick brown was worth all that much he wouldn't bother responding to him so i do think that i mean 1.00

00:16:28.680 true north for example ran a story about the pair polyevre and patrick brown spat so obviously people

00:16:34.060 are paying attention to it i do think with patrick brown it's kind of interesting because here's a guy

00:16:39.080 who's a complete hustler in a sense of he works hard and he went from being a backbench conservative

00:16:44.240 mp to being the leader of the ontario pc party because he was picking up the phone calling people

00:16:49.740 he'd be at every event he'd talk to everyone the problem is that he does not have similar to roman

00:16:55.140 babber a national footprint he has a provincial footprint and he really has a regional and municipal

00:17:00.800 one so he needs to make himself part of the national discussion and if he's firing potshots at

00:17:06.420 polyevre that's one good way to do it spencer if he's doing this with pierre do you think you know

00:17:12.680 however much you believe is passed or not is troubled past do you think that becomes a problem

00:17:17.540 for him or do you think people even care at this point in you know 2022 politics yeah well i think

00:17:24.100 the liberals are looking at this and they're just watching and writing their attack ads right i mean

00:17:28.020 you can imagine it right so pierre polyevre becomes a leader what does fellow conservative

00:17:32.420 who patrick brown think about pierre polyevre and then they run patrick brown's comments

00:17:36.420 and so the liberals i'm sure are really enjoying this and you know this is where i think the cpc

00:17:41.660 made a serious mistake with their six-month leadership race i mean this is like what a week

00:17:45.980 into it we've got six more months of this kind of stuff going on and that's going to do severe

00:17:50.760 damage to the party i mean whoever wins right so polyevre wins you're going to have a faction of the

00:17:55.860 party that brown recruited who are going to say oh a racist one and then you know patrick brown or 0.80

00:18:01.720 jean chariot wins you know there's going to be a whole bunch of people in the conservative party

00:18:04.940 including many mps who are going to be quite pissed off and not really happy at all and that's going

00:18:09.500 to be a problem so i think a six-month uh leadership race was a serious tactical mistake for them and i

00:18:15.140 think they could pay the price for it uh that's an interesting point especially with provincial races

00:18:20.180 coming up in the summer i didn't think about it from that perspective but the last person obviously

00:18:25.400 last but not least pierre polyevre and andrew i watched some of your interview with him

00:18:29.320 i think you did a great job especially when you ask him questions about things about hairy things

00:18:34.540 about things that people are talking about online like the world economic forum did you get the sense

00:18:39.160 that he is much different than the other candidates did you get the sense that he's you know going to be

00:18:45.120 a different type of conservative leader maybe leaning further towards an audience a ppc audience that's

00:18:51.740 going to like him or do you think that it becomes if he becomes party leader it's going to become

00:18:56.260 sort of the same thing we expected under erin o'toole how do you think he becomes a leader

00:19:01.880 uh in that sense it's a really good question and i think that one of the big frustrations i've had

00:19:10.280 with conservative leaders in the last two elections andrew share and erin o'toole is their inability or

00:19:15.540 unwillingness to communicate conservative messages and to do it in a capable clear and consistent way

00:19:22.180 uh in the case of andrew shear he seemed to be apologizing for being a conservative in the case

00:19:27.000 of erin o'toole he just abandoned conservative policies when he faced pushback from the media

00:19:31.700 so i think that a politician that's going to own their message and actually get down if the media

00:19:37.360 wants to get dirty get down and dirty with them and that's something pierre polyevre has shown a

00:19:41.880 willingness to do i've seen him push back against the premises of trick questions from the press

00:19:47.180 and and i'm not comparing him to ron de santis but i do think there is that ron de santis like quality

00:19:52.800 you know i guess i am comparing him to ron de santis then but i i think in this in the specific way of

00:19:57.520 how he owns what he believes and and pushes back against the media there's something in that that that

00:20:02.620 is very useful and i think it helps them because you know the the existing knowledge or wisdom of

00:20:07.960 conservative campaigns just hasn't been working you need someone that's going to try and go on the

00:20:12.340 offensive so i think on style alone that will set him apart from others on on the actual substance

00:20:18.480 it stands to be seen i mean this is a guy who's been a long time conservative mp he's got a voting

00:20:23.240 record people can look at that he's not a social conservative he's doing the o'toole thing which is

00:20:28.680 saying that i believe in free votes and i believe you're a part of this party but i'm not offering you

00:20:33.000 anything but he is also very solid on other red meat conservative issues like free speech he was a

00:20:38.600 supporter of the trucker convoy quite early on so i i think that for a lot of people he he's not just

00:20:44.320 this far-right candidate for some he is in the media he is someone who's relatively mainstream in

00:20:50.200 conservatism but he has a much different way of communicating that spencer when people look at

00:20:56.460 pierre and i'm playing devil's advocate here and they can say you know he didn't speak up about

00:21:01.860 lockdowns or you know quarantine facilities in canada um he's basically said end all restrictions

00:21:09.340 but he hasn't said specifically you know let unvaccinated people fly should we expect him 1.00

00:21:14.880 to come out and be a man of the people of the entire party and like i said touch into those ppc style

00:21:21.840 voters or do you think he goes more of an o'toole way where he's he has all this bark but once you know

00:21:27.460 they get pushback if he's in power the lead the leader of the party that he's gonna you know

00:21:32.600 rescind these promises that he had yeah you know i think we could certainly have more confidence in

00:21:38.500 him than o'toole you know o'toole was very conflict averse you know he got scared at seeing

00:21:42.620 whenever the media criticized him so he just tried to placate everybody and make the problem go away

00:21:47.540 by basically surrendering to the narrative of his opponents i think with polyev and with other

00:21:52.960 conservative mps too it's useful to look at how their message changed when o'toole was the leader

00:21:57.960 and then when he he wasn't the leader anymore right i mean they they certainly started talking a lot more

00:22:02.780 freely about any restrictions about you know opposing government overreach and so i think that that's

00:22:08.360 something to look at too there's obviously always going to be pressure you know within parties from

00:22:12.600 what the leader wants and that obviously influenced a lot of them but i think he'll certainly be tougher

00:22:16.740 than o'toole you know to a certain extent every you know conservative leader does a bit of a pivot

00:22:21.820 to the center just as you know liberals and ndp somewhat well the ndp not really but the liberals

00:22:26.080 will try to do that as well you're going to be a little more aggressive talking to your your party

00:22:30.380 base than you would be to the public but the the idea is there's a way to do that that's still

00:22:35.040 consistent with your principles right maybe you change your tone a little bit but you're not

00:22:38.300 changing your ideas what we saw with uh with aaron o'toole is he not just changed he didn't just

00:22:42.920 change his tone to be a little more moderate but he he completely reversed himself and abandoned

00:22:47.960 his ideas so since polyev is a better communicator i see him being able to manage that a little bit

00:22:53.520 better and you know he has been sharing a message for quite some time especially on economic issues

00:22:58.260 that has been uh quite consistent so i imagine he's going to keep doing that yeah i like what he has to

00:23:03.440 say when he talks about the economy and especially around the pipelines in regards to when he says that

00:23:09.300 about in uh russia and ukraine you know we should be building more stuff here flowing our oil here i would

00:23:14.700 like to hear him speak more about you know gun legislation and free speech legislation and like

00:23:19.760 you said there's six months there's probably plenty of time for that i'd love somebody to ask him about

00:23:23.560 it but when i think about gun legislation specifically not knowing how you guys feel about this

00:23:28.240 but i can't remember the last time that some of this stuff started getting walked back i know stephen

00:23:34.180 harper i believe got rid of the you know you have to call the rcmp or the opp when you're moving your

00:23:39.960 your firearm but that's since been gone back and they've expanded the gun list andrew do you think

00:23:45.020 that we get to a point where we can actually start talking about you know opening up our freedom of

00:23:50.360 speech laws or opening up our gun rights do you think we get to a point in the next election cycle

00:23:55.140 where that becomes a hot topic yeah i mean i think it's going to be a hot topic in the election because

00:24:01.380 the media will take any relaxation of firearm restrictions as being you know just opening the

00:24:06.540 floodgates to people walking around with you know handguns and machine guns and all of that but

00:24:11.520 but i do think that we are at a point in the country where we need to just stop apologizing for

00:24:16.560 things that make sense from a policy perspective i'm a gun owner i did a documentary about firearms so

00:24:21.900 i know this issue very well as someone affected by it and also as someone who's reported on it

00:24:26.580 and aaron o'toole had proposed initially a very sensible approach to firearms that he completely

00:24:32.440 rolled on when he was getting questions about it in the campaign pierre polyev he has a lot of rural

00:24:37.340 people in his riding i know he has spoken out about guns i'm going to be looking to see in his

00:24:41.640 leadership platform what specifically he'll do i i spoke to jean charret about this because he had

00:24:47.120 backed the long gun registry when he was quebec premier and he basically would only commit in my

00:24:52.540 interview with him to no new restrictions he wasn't committing to rolling back any of the

00:24:57.360 trudeau restrictions so i think that you have to look at especially the prohibition that went in

00:25:02.220 place in may 2020 and also the legislation the liberals are trying to put forward right now to

00:25:07.580 allow municipalities to ban handguns i think a conservative leader needs to say no and no to both

00:25:12.520 of those andrew i think i know the answer to this but can you explain to people why the liberal

00:25:18.080 government does a gun ban list as opposed to you know regarding function or type of weapon can you

00:25:26.640 explain that for people i don't think most people understand the reason why we just got a mass

00:25:30.560 list of weapons well i i the one thing i will say and it's a bugaboo of mine i don't call them

00:25:36.940 weapons because a weapon is is based on intent a gun is a gun a gun is a firearm and i think that

00:25:42.940 what the liberals or what canadians need to know first and foremost is that effectively all guns are

00:25:48.440 illegal in canada unless the government says they're legal there's no right to bear arms so anything

00:25:53.820 that is allowed is because it's been specifically designated as such and you have to have a license and go

00:25:59.640 through that so every gun in canada has to be classified and the three categories generally

00:26:04.060 are non-restricted restricted or prohibited and because you have a system that's based on

00:26:09.880 classification it licenses the government in a way to reclassify which is what happens not

00:26:15.900 irregularly but what happened in that mass form almost two years ago as far as the list you're right

00:26:23.140 to point out that it's not based on usage you've got guns that were non-restricted that are more

00:26:28.220 dangerous in the wrong hands than guns that are prohibited because of the way they look and the

00:26:33.400 problem is that government really in that order and council started focusing on aesthetic and look

00:26:38.860 a lot more i mean it used to be for the longest time that you could buy a 50 caliber rifle that could

00:26:44.100 shoot you know three kilometers away and that was non-restricted like a hunting rifle and then you had

00:26:50.560 other guns that you know shot little 22 rounds which will still hurt and they could kill you but

00:26:55.380 conceivably they're they're not as dangerous as other rounds you had guns that fire those that

00:26:59.820 were restricted because of certain things so you do need someone who's going to come in and take a

00:27:04.060 sensible bigger picture look at this instead of just catering to emotions which is what the liberals

00:27:09.600 have been doing okay spencer i want to go to you and talk to you about justin trudeau and i want to ask

00:27:16.300 you he's he's in europe um obviously addressing ukraine and russia what do you think his strategy is right

00:27:22.840 now is it i'm running away do you think he's actually doing any good over there what do you

00:27:27.760 think is is his plan right now i i think he's trying to stay out of the spotlight after the the convoy

00:27:33.300 stuff but i want to know what you think about this yeah i mean his international image took a massive hit

00:27:39.560 which i i think really upsets him because he he clearly prioritizes how he's viewed around the world

00:27:45.300 it would seem more than how he's viewed within canada but uh you know it's tough i mean there is

00:27:50.280 obviously a terrible situation going on with russia's war against ukraine i do understand

00:27:54.780 that world leaders like justin trudeau you know whether we like it or not he is the leader of the

00:27:58.740 country he does have to go talk to other people and uh you know do some serious things so i hope

00:28:03.620 you know for once he's going to actually take it seriously not view it as a photo op there are things

00:28:08.120 canada can be doing and that we should be talking to our allies about one would be increasing our

00:28:12.060 military spending countering russia in the arctic making sure we can contribute to our alliances and

00:28:17.520 obviously you know you're getting more oil and gas and at this point wheat out to the world right

00:28:21.800 because there's could be severe wheat shortages and food shortages so there are a lot of things

00:28:26.800 canada could do to help our allies and to help the world and so i think we should be doing that but

00:28:31.700 it remains to be seen whether trudeau will take it seriously whether he just has another uh you know

00:28:36.080 video planned

00:28:36.780 andrew trudeau and biden are using this conflict as an excuse for gas price increases the carbon tax

00:28:47.460 is being increased again inflation is now because of biden or because of uh putin as if it wasn't

00:28:55.860 happening before how much legs can they use this as how much legs is there to this excuse how long can

00:29:02.960 justin trudeau say you know the economy isn't my fault inflation isn't my fault gas prices and the

00:29:09.160 pipeline isn't my fault maybe that one isn't his fault actually but how long can he use this as an

00:29:14.520 excuse and how long can he you know continue running a country this way same with biden but we're not in

00:29:20.520 america right now how much longer can justin trudeau continue this downward spiral before people have

00:29:26.320 finally had enough dare i say yeah i mean let's not forget that cbc was trying to stoke the idea

00:29:34.140 that the russians were behind the convoy before russia invaded ukraine so blaming russians is a

00:29:40.240 popular canadian pastime in the left uh even when they haven't done anything so when they have done

00:29:45.160 something it's great because then you can just like really ramp up the whole everything's russia's

00:29:49.500 fault like to justin trudeau russia is the new scott bryson i mean scott bryson was responsible for

00:29:54.820 everything up until 2021 when jody wilson raybold and all of that other stuff had happened that was

00:30:00.920 all scott bryson's fault we're in a new era it's all russia's fault and it's a very convenient

00:30:05.520 scapegoat because yeah russia is an aggressor and yes there are global effects on on oil prices and 0.90

00:30:10.460 the economy when this is happening but it cannot deflect against what was already happening in the

00:30:15.540 same way as the pandemic justin trudeau has blamed the pandemic for running up a deficit

00:30:19.960 neglecting to acknowledge that he was on track to run up quite significant deficits even

00:30:24.480 before the pandemic came about so i think people have to start looking at what was happening before

00:30:29.620 these magical external factors arrived spencer the verbiage on the left right now is buy an electric

00:30:37.920 car um the gas prices are here to stay um you know this is a time that we can all you know put a few

00:30:46.000 extra dollars into the government's pocket to stick it to putin and i want to ask you because our for the

00:30:51.260 episode we've done together on this show was called the called and about the great reset a lot of these

00:30:56.840 policies moving forward are about you know uh climate change and and moving towards green energy

00:31:03.600 which i think is just a shift in who's the billionaires how much of this do you think is is

00:31:08.560 governed on an international level and and i don't mean they're saying uh you know there's some

00:31:12.820 secret cabal i think it's quite public toronto sun says it's a fantasy land and doesn't exist but how

00:31:18.780 much of this is you know big corporations getting together and saying you know we can sort of sort

00:31:23.840 of shift influence in this direction and get money flowing in the direction that we want and you know

00:31:29.100 we can blame it on putin whether you whether you agree with the war or not or no matter what side you

00:31:33.720 are on how much of this do you think is decided on an international level with these huge uh conglomerates

00:31:38.980 whether it's me media uh master cards in the world economic forum you know microsoft is do you think

00:31:44.680 there's actual planning going on there or do you think this is actually just a coincidence coincidence

00:31:49.120 of leftist governments doing the what they think is the right thing yeah i think a lot of it is just

00:31:55.140 you know governments taking advantage of a situation that they didn't create or plan but you know they take

00:32:00.200 advantage of it very quickly obviously with the pandemic we saw trudeau say it's an opportunity you

00:32:04.380 know most people wanted to get back to normal trudeau saw it as a way to get away with certain things

00:32:08.960 that you know often wouldn't you couldn't get away with when people weren't you know afraid in a crisis

00:32:13.340 i do think you know there are a few things i mean one canada certainly uh can help the world as i

00:32:19.320 said and we should be doing that so i think it'll be interesting to see what you know our governments

00:32:24.260 will do will they actually wake up and realize look you can't tell people to go buy electric cars if

00:32:28.480 they can't afford the price of gas right i mean electric cars are very expensive and there's serious

00:32:33.020 supply chain problems there too people shouldn't imagine that somehow the electric car supply chain is

00:32:37.440 independent of everybody else and so i think it'll be interesting to see what happens you know i think you

00:32:43.000 know seeing ukrainians stand up for their country has inspired a lot of people and you know it kind

00:32:47.300 of we we can sometimes take freedom for granted although not not what we've seen recently in

00:32:51.780 canada but seeing people you know giving up their lives you know to fight against a dictator and to

00:32:56.540 fight for their freedom really kind of makes us realize how we we are lucky in many ways to be

00:33:00.860 in a somewhat free country at least and so you know i think we have to get serious we have to build up

00:33:06.580 our military we have to build up our oil and gas sector and it remains to be seen if we'll do that i mean

00:33:12.000 you had melanie julie yesterday saying oh canada's we're not a military power we're we do diplomacy and

00:33:17.700 we convene we're a convening power whatever that means so you know i think there's i would i suspect

00:33:22.640 there's a divide in the government right now between people who realize that look the green energy thing

00:33:26.700 that's that's a big failure not just uh you know economically but also strategically but you know

00:33:32.760 there's a fight going on trudeau i think is going to try to stick with his ideology you know very much

00:33:37.060 just hope this all goes away and he can go back to you know pandering to you know the kind of

00:33:41.540 unrealistic green you know proposition so i think we'll see what happens i think canadians need to

00:33:46.120 really demand that the government get serious though andrew last question to you and piggybacking

00:33:51.400 on what i was asking you earlier about the economy china russia and it seems like india now are teaming

00:33:57.080 up for you know their own currency their own trade how much do you think this hurts western countries in

00:34:02.680 the long run particularly here in north america do you think this was a a mistake to to ban all 0.92

00:34:07.740 these russian things outright and say you know let's call for russian nhl players to be gone some

00:34:12.760 people said that's like they've kicked them out of uh soccer competitions and international

00:34:18.080 competitions do you think that this is going to hurt in the long run uh due to an overstep or do you

00:34:23.680 think this was an inevitable when for eastern powers let's call them to sort of get together and say

00:34:29.620 hey we don't need the west you know one thing that comes to mind when you ask that question

00:34:35.520 andrew which is that when people like me were saying that we should be boycotting the olympics

00:34:40.900 in beijing a lot of people were saying well it's not fair to the athletes to let them become victims

00:34:46.420 of our politics yet a lot of those same people are the ones saying we should ban the russian pianist

00:34:52.080 and ban the russian hockey player and tum out the russian vodka and all of that stuff and and i think

00:34:57.280 that that is a contradiction that i'm not hearing anyone square and anyone account for the fundamental

00:35:03.340 reality is that people are political when you're talking about movements across borders but i don't

00:35:08.640 think we should be going after russian individuals that have nothing to do with the conflict and

00:35:13.820 also are in many cases critical of it as in the case of the pianist and all of this is happening

00:35:19.480 while the big fish the russian oil and gas imports are not being addressed you've got countries in

00:35:25.300 europe hungary is an example here that have just a complete energy dependence germany on

00:35:31.060 russia or a significant enough one that they can't afford to take the principled stand now i think we

00:35:36.840 have to talk about what we do to wean ourselves off of of energy dependence on countries like russia

00:35:42.280 but in canada's in the u.s's cases especially especially there is no excuse for energy rich countries

00:35:48.960 to have had to get in bed with it in the first place and i know that for me china is the one that i

00:35:53.540 follow a lot more with the belt and road initiative and china's attempts to basically economically

00:35:58.460 colonize the world but we should be learning from this and not letting ourselves get into this position

00:36:03.380 of dependency with other countries in the future when we don't have to yeah and when you look at and

00:36:09.060 when we're playing the moral game you have to bring up places like china or saudi arabia which we spend

00:36:13.980 many more billions of dollars on oil than we do uh russia let's check out saudi arabia's human rights

00:36:20.000 record at any time um i know i said last question but spencer i want to know given the convoys and

00:36:26.840 everything that's happened the explosion in interest in canada are we going to see a lot more focus

00:36:31.820 internationally on canada's next election on the conservative election do you think

00:36:36.780 i think so you know i think for a lot of people you know the image of canada is a you know very

00:36:42.980 you know quiet you know docile you know submissive place was shattered which i think is really good i mean

00:36:48.640 the fact that canadian stood up and push back against the government shows that there's you

00:36:52.400 know more toughness and courage in the country than i think perhaps a lot of people on the outside

00:36:56.500 thought there was so i think we are going to see more attention on canada i also i think because

00:37:00.700 trudeau's image has really degraded internationally so much the the focus will be different you know

00:37:06.880 people are going to be looking at canada as a very different kind of country and seeing what kind

00:37:10.800 of leader we're going to have and kind of taking their blinders off which is good i mean you know

00:37:14.680 one of the big problems i think our country's had for a long time is that we pretended that just

00:37:19.400 being polite and ignoring problems was somehow a virtue when that really means the problems just

00:37:23.880 fester and get even worse and so the fact that we're actually you know there may be you know more

00:37:27.800 political aggressiveness and more political conflict but i think in the long run that means

00:37:31.640 we're going to be more honest with each other and actually have real debates about the problems

00:37:35.000 in our country and only by really debating things can you actually start to fix them so i think

00:37:39.000 you know in the short term it's going to be stressful for some people but in the long term i think it's good

00:37:43.080 and yeah i think the world will be interested to see how canada starts to change thank you guys so

00:37:48.440 much for joining me my canadian politics brain trust spencer fernando on twitter i think spencer

00:37:54.040 fernando.com yes that's right yes and tnc.news and andrew lawton uh you never know when he's going to

00:38:00.120 get pepper sprayed could be today could be tomorrow watch to find out thank you guys for joining me

00:38:04.920 have a great day okay take care thank you

00:38:08.760 i'm holding on way too long and i don't know why

00:38:16.680 but you know me i go quiet i don't like to lie

00:38:25.240 oh

00:38:25.480 i'm coming through can you hear me now i said

00:38:35.720 can you feel it too tell me what to do

00:38:39.480 i said now

00:38:47.240 yeah

Rebel News Podcast - March 18, 2022

ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Andrew Lawton and Spencer Fernando

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