Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 28 ｜ Public Safety, intergovernmental affairs ministers testify

00:00:00.000 Well, it's Ezra Levan over here.

00:00:17.840 I think we're live.

00:00:21.160 You know, we do this every single day.

00:00:23.120 We do a Trucker Commission live stream update.

00:00:26.520 I'm here in Toronto, our world headquarters, Selena Glass.

00:00:30.340 Is in our pop-up studio in the nation's capital of Ottawa.

00:00:33.560 Just a stone's throw away from the Trucker Commission of Inquiry.

00:00:37.920 Selena, how are you doing there today?

00:00:40.060 Doing good.

00:00:40.940 Lots to go over today, Ezra.

00:00:42.340 So I'm looking forward to it.

00:00:43.740 Right on.

00:00:44.500 And I understand that we'll have Keith Wilson, one of the freedom lawyers in the studio.

00:00:49.560 It would be nice to chat with him.

00:00:50.920 I was looking at some of the clips.

00:00:55.880 And it's pretty clear to me that we have moved into a new territory.

00:00:59.940 For the first two-thirds or three-quarters of the Commission of Inquiry, they were talking to cops.

00:01:06.260 And I'll give these cops credit.

00:01:07.820 They answered truthfully under oath when they were asked, was there an emergency that necessitated bringing in martial law?

00:01:15.820 And not a single cop, not the Ontario Provincial Police, not the Ottawa Police Service, not the RCMP, not police or attorneys general in Alberta, in Ontario, in Saskatchewan.

00:01:28.720 Not one of them said, we needed martial law.

00:01:33.520 We needed the Emergencies Act.

00:01:35.260 We had a dangerous crisis that rose to the occasion of an emergency.

00:01:39.380 Not a single cop said so.

00:01:43.360 But now we're done with the cops.

00:01:47.280 We got the politicians.

00:01:48.680 And they're not quite as conscientious under oath.

00:01:52.900 And they lie like a rug.

00:01:54.780 And you're hearing the most absurd pretzel feats of logic to twist things into emergencies.

00:02:01.720 Like, it's an incredible statement that there was an image of a big crane in downtown Ottawa.

00:02:10.800 And that made newspapers around the world.

00:02:13.500 And so that was an image problem for the government of Canada.

00:02:17.400 And so they needed martial law to fix that crane, as if martial law was good for the international image.

00:02:23.280 So I guess what I'm saying, Selene, is we are out of just the facts territory and into the BS politician territory.

00:02:32.280 Am I right?

00:02:33.760 Yeah, I think we're kind of in the belly of the beast right now, Ezra.

00:02:36.720 Because just like you mentioned, it was all prior to this, it was about if the Emergencies Act was actually necessary to invoke.

00:02:44.900 That's the Trudeau government.

00:02:46.120 As they did it, as we've seen come out, nobody, like you said, has said that it was necessary.

00:02:51.840 So now fast forward to this week and a little bit of last week.

00:02:56.160 It's literally just who can avoid the question?

00:02:59.620 Who can say that, you know, they can't recall relevant information more?

00:03:02.840 It's pretty ridiculous, especially considering that the higher we get, you know, you think that the liberal government has all these things together.

00:03:10.880 You know, they've obviously been given a lot of time to go over what seems to me to be a little bit of some scripted periods where they'll just either confirm or confirm and not deny, deny, confirm.

00:03:22.960 It's very confusing to me.

00:03:25.020 So I don't know.

00:03:26.660 Did you what did you see from today's takeaway?

00:03:29.340 Well, I want to talk in a minute and we'll play some clips of it, of one of the problems.

00:03:33.880 I mean, like you say, everyone knew this commission of inquiry would happen.

00:03:39.380 Why did we know it?

00:03:40.220 Because it's built into the martial law.

00:03:42.540 It's built into the Emergencies Act.

00:03:44.520 If any government in history is to invoke this tyrannical banana republic lockdown law, which had never been done before, it has a fail safe that such a invocation must later be scrutinized by a judge.

00:03:58.280 So when Trudeau pushed the panic button on his political career in February, he knew that everything would be scrutinized by a judge.

00:04:06.600 And this commission of inquiry has been going on for more than a month.

00:04:09.740 And the reason I mention that is the governments knew for nine months that they would have to turn over internal documents.

00:04:17.520 They knew they would have to show a judge their thinking.

00:04:20.600 And yet thousands of pages of documents from the prime minister's office and other political offices were dumped on the commission and on the lawyers and on the witnesses with a few hours notice.

00:04:36.160 And that's the thing.

00:04:37.260 If you're hiding documents, that's one thing.

00:04:39.580 And that's illegal, of course.

00:04:40.720 But another way to do it is to give 100,000 pages in bankers' boxes and say, hey, you got four hours. 0.99

00:04:50.820 Find the needle in the haystack here, sucker. 0.89

00:04:53.140 And it's so abusive of process and it's so unnecessary because everyone knew this commission of inquiry was happening. 0.99

00:05:00.500 And by the way, the government just blacked out what they didn't want the judge to see.

00:05:06.220 I want to play some clips of this.

00:05:09.980 It's just incredible to me.

00:05:13.840 You know, we've got a bunch of great clips of what happened because there were some shenanigans.

00:05:24.980 Well, let's start with this.

00:05:26.500 Brendan Miller, one of the trucker lawyers, saw with his eyes a communications staffer, DeMarco Mendocino, in the room.

00:05:39.420 And this communications staffer named Alex Cohen apparently had been hiding documents, blacking out documents.

00:05:47.140 And Brendan Miller saw him and said, hey, judge, I want to subpoena that guy right now.

00:05:51.600 Put him in the seat right now.

00:05:52.680 I got questions for him right now.

00:05:54.100 This is clip number one.

00:05:56.160 Look at this tense exchange.

00:06:01.420 We're not following it.

00:06:03.020 So it's just just wondering if you wanted the break now or later.

00:06:06.520 Sure.

00:06:06.740 Let's take the break now.

00:06:08.140 Sir, before we take the break, I just have a quick application.

00:06:12.860 I apologize, sir.

00:06:14.160 I think it's important.

00:06:15.980 I've just met Mr. Alexander Cohen.

00:06:18.600 He's present in this room.

00:06:21.500 And sir, Mr. Cohen, as we have heard throughout this proceeding, has relevant and material evidence to this proceedings mandate.

00:06:33.780 He has very relevant evidence with respect to the inquiry as to the circumstances, as to the invocation of the Emergencies Act.

00:06:44.040 He also has relevant and material information with respect to misinformation of which this commission has been tasked with exploring, beginning with the text messages between himself and Mary Liz Power that are already in evidence in building the narrative with respect to the protesters in Ottawa being extremists.

00:07:08.320 And thereafter, essentially setting out that they are, in fact, proprietors of Nazi symbolism.

00:07:18.980 Sir, this commission is in hearing from various...

00:07:25.420 Can I just interrupt?

00:07:26.760 What's your application?

00:07:28.140 I'd like to call him as a witness, sir.

00:07:30.320 Have you written any...

00:07:31.680 Is there a...

00:07:32.320 I didn't expect that we would have the opportunity.

00:07:36.080 Well, you haven't at the moment.

00:07:37.580 There's no application, so...

00:07:39.200 Well, this is my application, sir.

00:07:40.660 I'm making it orally.

00:07:42.060 And I'm asking for the commission to have him testify after the minister.

00:07:49.240 He has relevant and material information.

00:07:50.960 I'm not going to do this orally right now.

00:07:53.820 Well, sir, we're given 15 minutes to cross-examine.

00:07:58.100 One, to elicit relevant and material evidence.

00:08:01.640 And we have relevant and material witnesses here.

00:08:04.700 The government of Canada has redacted, without lawful authority, all of these statements from these staffers and have suppressed records.

00:08:12.520 I have no idea at this point where this is going, so I'm going to take the break.

00:08:16.940 And if you can speak to commission council, which I think I've repeated many times, is the way to at least raise the issue.

00:08:26.840 And then we'll see if they can resolve it or not.

00:08:29.680 But we have a schedule.

00:08:32.460 Sir, the schedule is not as important as getting to the truth.

00:08:36.020 There's no question we want to get at the truth.

00:08:38.820 But you know what?

00:08:40.140 It's a very complex issue.

00:08:41.860 And it's not all about what you want.

00:08:44.920 It's about what the commission needs to do, what the parties want to do.

00:08:49.380 And I think it's what Canadians are entitled to, sir.

00:08:51.440 And I'm trying to control a process.

00:08:54.620 And we have witnesses.

00:08:56.560 We have a schedule.

00:08:58.160 It's been going for a while.

00:09:00.600 Please speak to commission council.

00:09:03.080 We'll see where we go.

00:09:05.200 And we'll take the morning break.

00:09:08.220 Sir, I understand.

00:09:08.820 But I just asked for a ruling after the morning break.

00:09:10.740 Thank you.

00:09:11.060 You know, there's a frustration there.

00:09:15.600 And I hear the point of view from the judge also.

00:09:20.180 There's a lot of lawyers representing a lot of people.

00:09:22.640 The commission itself has a lot of lawyers.

00:09:24.440 They're pressed for time.

00:09:25.440 They've got to wrap this thing up in a week.

00:09:26.920 I understand everyone's under pressure, and Brendan Miller as well.

00:09:32.940 It must be frustrating to see some smirking liberal staffer 20 feet away who won't answer

00:09:39.180 questions and to say, judge, he's right there.

00:09:41.640 He's literally right there.

00:09:42.780 And the judge says, sorry.

00:09:44.780 You know, it got a little worse, though, Celine, didn't they?

00:09:49.420 You know, that was just the first quarrel.

00:09:51.740 Let's play clip number two.

00:09:52.860 This is when the JCCF lawyer, Brendan Miller, he gets booted out, which is not a good thing.

00:10:00.160 Here, let's roll clip number two. 0.71

00:10:04.420 No problem?

00:10:06.500 Sir?

00:10:07.400 Okay.

00:10:08.280 The commission council has not completed her presentation.

00:10:11.780 I understand that, sir, and your council's advised you that.

00:10:15.220 No, I know you've directed.

00:10:16.680 You wanted the application.

00:10:17.340 I'm sorry I'm speaking.

00:10:18.780 Yes, sir.

00:10:19.200 The application, if you want to do it, you've been advised it's to be done in writing, not

00:10:26.200 in the middle of the presentation.

00:10:27.780 Sir, we filed two motions in writing at your direction that you've refused to rule on with

00:10:32.100 respect to the redaction of documents from the government of Canada.

00:10:35.480 You're speaking.

00:10:36.080 That has not been ruled on and has been filed for days.

00:10:39.040 I will take a break while you're asked to leave.

00:10:43.100 I will return in five minutes if security could deal with the council.

00:10:51.600 You know, again, I have some sympathy for the judge because there has to be one boss in

00:10:57.580 the room and the boss is the judge.

00:11:00.100 Again, I also have sympathy for the lawyer who's saying these documents are blacked out.

00:11:05.020 This is a public inquiry.

00:11:06.360 The government is blacking things out.

00:11:07.900 So, you know, it's what do you think of that, Celine?

00:11:14.260 I think that I agree with you.

00:11:16.740 There's a there's a little bit.

00:11:19.200 There has to be a boss in the room, so to speak.

00:11:21.300 Right.

00:11:21.580 And you look to Rouleau for that as he's going to be the leader, he's going to be there.

00:11:25.020 You're going to assume to direct the room, of course.

00:11:26.900 But at the same time, just like we were talking about earlier, where we've seen a bit of a

00:11:31.640 change in what's going on at the commission right now.

00:11:34.060 Another thing that is very noticeable in the room is that there's not much of a standard

00:11:39.700 that's being adhered to with these documents being given to the lawyers of every party,

00:11:44.420 I'm assuming, overnight or I'm even seeing some come in during the day, during the day

00:11:49.760 while the witness is providing their testimony.

00:11:51.520 That must be extremely, extremely frustrating.

00:11:55.180 Like you said, it is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

00:11:57.800 So you would assume that there would be a standard to set.

00:12:00.600 And that would take somebody to set the precedence of that that level of standard that people

00:12:05.100 would adhere to.

00:12:06.820 But that has not that's not been it has not happened.

00:12:11.060 And it's just very frustrating to sit in that room and to see that even twice today.

00:12:15.760 I was you can see in the clip the first time Sheila and I are sitting directly behind

00:12:20.580 the lawyers, just kind of like what is going on.

00:12:22.900 But yeah, it's not any more about if the emergencies act was necessary.

00:12:29.420 And actually, Rulo himself has said that he said that today, you know, why are you going

00:12:32.520 over this evidence?

00:12:33.320 We already know that, you know, this is what it said under section two of under the CESIS

00:12:37.260 Act and that it wasn't met.

00:12:39.320 So then why are we still here?

00:12:40.700 Why are we listening to all of these liberal ministers lie through their teeth?

00:12:45.420 Where's the standard?

00:12:46.160 You know, it's funny because I haven't been out there in Ottawa in a while.

00:12:50.160 You guys are doing a great job.

00:12:51.280 I was there at the beginning, make sure the Airbnb was set up just to see what things are

00:12:54.320 like.

00:12:55.200 And so I would say I think it was the very first day and I saw just a couple of ordinary

00:13:00.140 people.

00:13:00.720 They had no special status.

00:13:02.000 They had no special authority.

00:13:03.480 One was named Zexy Lee, just some young gal who was really mad at the truckers and some 1.00

00:13:09.660 other just regular person.

00:13:11.120 I'm not disparaging.

00:13:11.840 I'm just saying they were severely normal, ordinary people and they were giving an enormous

00:13:16.120 amount.

00:13:16.620 I think they were talking for 90 minutes, just basically roll a dice, random people, 90

00:13:23.800 minutes, if I recall.

00:13:25.460 And I bet both the judge and the lawyers wish that 90 minutes could be taken back to actually

00:13:31.020 talk to real decision makers.

00:13:32.780 I have no idea how those nobodies in the standing sense got 90 minutes of prime time and we can't 1.00

00:13:40.980 get a communications aid to the public safety minister.

00:13:45.800 Now, Brendan Miller, the lawyer who was told to leave or be escorted out, he had a scrum

00:13:50.860 and I understand you and other rebel reporters were out in the scrum.

00:13:55.120 That is our clip number three.

00:13:56.800 Let's hear what he said.

00:13:57.640 I don't want to spend too much time on this procedural wrangle, but there is something about

00:14:04.400 it because this is under such, like in a regular court where there's no artificial time limit

00:14:09.560 on the end, they might take a break for a week and fight about this.

00:14:15.920 But this is under such a pressure cooker time that it rewards bad faith.

00:14:19.760 If the government says, here's 100,000 pages, 5,000 of which are blacked out, suckers, what's

00:14:24.440 the judge going to do?

00:14:25.460 Because he's got to wrap this thing up on a certain schedule.

00:14:28.760 The government knows, I mean, what are they going to do?

00:14:30.840 Punish the prime minister?

00:14:31.980 So here's Brendan Miller in the hallway, letting her rip.

00:14:36.800 Canadians are entitled to the truth and you can't hide behind unlawful redactions in a

00:14:42.600 public inquiry claiming baseless redactions on staff or correspondence because it may hurt

00:14:50.480 you.

00:14:53.240 We made two, actually three technically, written applications with respect to these redacted documents

00:15:01.040 in advance of the minister's testifying and the commission has failed or refused to rule

00:15:07.500 on them.

00:15:08.700 And one of the other grounds of procedural fairness is for decisions without undue delay.

00:15:15.380 When decisions are not made on procedural issues of this importance without undue delay,

00:15:21.860 procedural fairness of not just my clients, but everyone's, is violated.

00:15:26.800 Canadians are entitled to the truth and you can't hide behind unlawful redactions in a

00:15:33.260 public inquiry claiming baseless redactions on staff or correspondence because it may hurt

00:15:41.140 you.

00:15:42.360 And that, in my view, is what the government of Canada is doing.

00:15:46.940 And it needs to stop.

00:15:48.480 And had we had a timely ruling on these redactions, this application made orally today would have

00:15:56.820 been entirely unnecessary.

00:15:58.660 Is it your expectation to continue?

00:15:59.860 Sorry, which the application for Alex Cohen would have been entirely unnecessary?

00:16:03.280 Correct.

00:16:04.020 Is it your expectation to continue in the proceedings today?

00:16:06.240 Yes.

00:16:06.600 Well, it's my client's constitutional right to have legal representation of their choice.

00:16:11.980 Is there another lawyer as part of the team that could step in for you if you're not allowed?

00:16:15.220 My client's choice is to have me.

00:16:17.420 And with respect to being thrown out of the building at the direction of the commissioner,

00:16:21.980 there is no jurisdiction to do that either.

00:16:25.480 So, it is what it is.

00:16:27.900 We'll wait.

00:16:29.360 And we'll see.

00:16:30.200 Is that your next step, Glenn?

00:16:31.140 You're just going to wait for some response from the commissioner now?

00:16:33.540 Response more so from security.

00:16:34.940 It's up to security whether or not I'm allowed in the building.

00:16:38.820 And it's up to the commissioner whether or not he'll abide by my client's constitutional

00:16:42.440 right to have the lawyer of their choice and the procedural fairness and constitutional

00:16:45.980 right to be heard before the treasurer.

00:16:47.740 Yes, sir.

00:16:55.640 Is that you and William?

00:17:06.120 Who else was in the scrum?

00:17:10.180 Were a lot of journalists out there?

00:17:12.500 There weren't too many.

00:17:13.480 No, I think that there was just a handful.

00:17:15.060 Lots of just mainstreamers with their huge cameras on their shoulders.

00:17:19.120 Kian, of course, was out there filming.

00:17:21.020 Sheila joined up to see what the commotion was all about.

00:17:24.360 William just kind of as casually as he could strides into the room and taps me on the shoulder.

00:17:31.480 He's like, you got to come see this now.

00:17:33.460 I was like, yeah, duty calls, you know.

00:17:36.220 So I think it's really interesting.

00:17:37.980 He had a lot of really good points.

00:17:39.360 And it is about fairness.

00:17:40.720 How can you how can you expect to have a fair result when the parties that are part of this

00:17:45.440 decision are not being treated fairly?

00:17:47.580 You can't.

00:17:48.460 That's not what's in the cards.

00:17:49.780 It was the federal government that was in charge of collecting all of this information.

00:17:54.020 And it's the federal federal government's it's their responsibility to be able to do

00:17:59.520 this on a timely in a timely manner that goes according to the timeline that Rulo has to

00:18:04.780 meet.

00:18:05.220 And there's a requirement in law in any sort of disclosure, for example, in a police when

00:18:10.140 police arrest someone, they have to disclose things, but they don't just have to disclose

00:18:13.900 the stuff that's embarrassing for the criminal.

00:18:15.860 They have to disclose exculpating information.

00:18:19.840 So if the police have something that they don't want to give because it shows the guy's

00:18:23.820 innocent, they have to give it anyways. 0.76

00:18:25.420 There's a there's a duty.

00:18:27.020 There's an obligation on the government to disclose things, even if they're embarrassing,

00:18:31.160 even if they help the other person's case.

00:18:33.880 And it sounds like these redactions, at least were thought by Brendan Miller to hide that.

00:18:39.180 I want to play one more clip and then we'll go live to our guest who's in our pop up studio

00:18:45.100 there.

00:18:46.320 This next clip is clip number five.

00:18:48.420 We talked or we saw Brendan Miller, one of the JCCF lawyers, but there was another JCCF

00:18:56.100 lawyer, freedom fighting lawyer there, an old friend of Rebel News, Keith Wilson.

00:19:00.240 Keith had something to say about this.

00:19:02.020 Let's play that clip and then we'll go to the man live and in persona in our studio.

00:19:06.920 So play clip number five, if you please.

00:19:09.340 Good morning, sir.

00:19:09.920 My name is Keith Wilson, counsel for the Convoy Organizers.

00:19:13.380 I apologize for my voice.

00:19:14.800 I'm recovering from a cold.

00:19:16.020 I have a bit of the same.

00:19:17.500 Thank you, sir.

00:19:19.660 Sir, we're not in a position to proceed with CROSS at this time and there's two reasons.

00:19:24.260 One is the federal government has disclosed over a week ago an extension volume of documents

00:19:33.480 that are highly redacted.

00:19:35.980 It is obvious from the face of the documents that they don't meet the criteria for lawful

00:19:41.180 redactions.

00:19:41.720 A motion was made last week for those redactions to be lifted.

00:19:48.040 The submissions closed on Thursday evening.

00:19:51.200 We still have no ruling.

00:19:53.420 A number of days have passed.

00:19:55.660 For the cross-examination and the discovery of truth process to be valid and effective,

00:20:01.160 the parties require access to the documents.

00:20:04.280 We don't have that.

00:20:06.560 So we would appreciate some indication as to when the commission is actually going to rule

00:20:11.840 on that and hopefully compel the proper disclosure of the records so that cross-examinations

00:20:18.700 can be effective.

00:20:19.460 I emphasize that these documents are not related to future witnesses, but present witnesses.

00:20:26.200 So we're making the process inefficient with all due respect by not allowing the parties

00:20:30.820 to have access to unredacted documents.

00:20:34.680 Second reason we're not in a position to proceed with our cross-examination at this time with

00:20:39.660 this witness is our lead counsel, Mr. Brendan Miller, who had prepared for the cross.

00:20:45.200 As you know, sir, has been removed from the room by you when he was raising a motion to

00:20:50.620 find a way around the absence of a ruling on the redactions.

00:20:54.700 So we're just not in a position to proceed on cross, sir.

00:20:59.420 Okay.

00:21:00.020 Well, just on your first question, it is expected that the ruling will come out during the lunch

00:21:10.920 hour.

00:21:11.240 There have been a fair amount of back and forth without going into detail.

00:21:17.520 There's some, let's say, innovative type of issues that had to be dealt with.

00:21:28.100 So that should come out at lunchtime, which I'm happy to, I will do my utmost.

00:21:34.500 It's going to come out, unfortunately, probably, and not on the record, the website, because

00:21:41.280 it won't be translated, which is one of the issues we have to deal with.

00:21:45.100 But we will, in light of what you say, we'll issue it in English only for the moment, and

00:21:50.860 it will become, be posted when it's bilingual.

00:21:54.420 But I understand that submission.

00:21:57.580 So that should enable you so we can put off the cross-examinations till after the lunchtime.

00:22:04.840 In terms of the other problem, that's not something I can deal with.

00:22:09.700 I've dealt, I'm trying to deal the best I can with the situation.

00:22:14.340 And quite frankly, if the issue had been raised the way you have now, I would have given the

00:22:22.700 answer I'm giving now.

00:22:25.200 So what I propose then, since this witness will be here after lunch, we simply delay till

00:22:31.420 after lunch.

00:22:32.440 If you could endeavor, because I see you have, Mr. Will, you have a co-counsel, so can sort

00:22:40.100 out how that can be done.

00:22:41.420 That would be appreciated.

00:22:42.380 Thank you, sir.

00:22:45.500 Well, there you have it.

00:22:47.100 That man was Keith Wilson.

00:22:49.220 And in our pop-up studio in the belly of Ottawa is that same lawyer, Keith Wilson, who joins

00:22:55.700 us now live.

00:22:56.200 Keith, nice to see you.

00:22:57.640 What happened at lunch?

00:22:59.900 What did the judge rule on these sneaky redactions, these blacked out passages?

00:23:08.240 What did the judge do?

00:23:09.380 Well, he went through each of the large bundles of documents and indicated whether or not he

00:23:17.960 was going to order or require the federal government to lift some or all of the redactions.

00:23:25.700 For the majority of them, he allowed the redactions to remain in place.

00:23:30.920 But for some of them, he did rule that the redactions had to be lifted and that we were allowed to

00:23:38.080 see what was behind the big black smudges.

00:23:41.320 And so, as your reporters were witnessing in real time, while the cross-examinations are

00:23:51.940 occurring on Minister Mendocino, we're simultaneously now going through and reviewing these documents,

00:24:00.260 trying to assess what questions to ask.

00:24:02.740 And I believe we received them after Brendan Miller ultimately did his cross-examination,

00:24:08.580 so we had to figure out a way to get them in.

00:24:11.100 And one of them was pretty spectacular that we read.

00:24:15.340 Which one was that?

00:24:17.120 It was a note from that staffer that you discussed earlier, from him attending a cabinet meeting

00:24:26.520 about whether or not they were going to invoke the Emergencies Act, and the note that they

00:24:32.680 had blacked out was him indicating that CSIS advises that Section 2 is not met, and then

00:24:44.400 there's plus Jody Thomas, being the National Security Advisor, being informed of that.

00:24:51.540 So, notes from a real-time meeting confirming that they received the cabinet, a briefing that

00:25:01.400 the legal requirement to lawfully invoke the Emergencies Act was not present, and the information

00:25:08.380 was conveyed to Jody Thomas.

00:25:10.640 You know, I think we have a clip that touches on that.

00:25:13.720 It's clip number 10.

00:25:15.960 Jody Thomas, the National Security Advisor.

00:25:19.340 Let's see if this is the clip that matches what you've just described.

00:25:23.320 Clip number 10.

00:25:26.460 SSM.can.407721.

00:25:31.360 We advise that the Commission Council should look at it as it is relevant and material to

00:25:36.760 this witness.

00:25:37.740 In particular, Jody Thomas, the National Security and Intelligence Advisor, states in that document

00:25:44.440 that there is no national security threat pursuant to Section 2 of the CSIS Act.

00:25:49.340 SSM.can.407721.

00:25:58.420 So, did he answer that, or did he just sort of sit there when that was put to him?

00:26:02.520 Well, what we had to do at that time, because our opportunity to ask questions had passed, we took

00:26:10.300 the position through our co-counsel, Bath Sheeva Vandenberg, who you hear speaking there, and we

00:26:15.680 instructed her.

00:26:17.340 We made the decision to keep Mr. Miller away from the microphone as much as we could, given

00:26:22.600 the events of the day.

00:26:25.620 And so, Bath, who's a brand new lawyer, got thrown into the frying pan.

00:26:29.320 She handled herself great.

00:26:30.340 And we took the position that because Commission Council get the last chance, they ask questions

00:26:38.100 at the start of a witness, and they ask questions at the end of a witness.

00:26:41.900 So, our view was that now that we know this document exists, as of a few minutes ago, Commission

00:26:49.580 Council, who can still ask questions of Minister Mendocino, should be putting it to him.

00:26:54.580 Initially, they said, oh, well, we'll just let the, Rouleau says, well, we'll just let it

00:26:59.480 be in the record.

00:27:00.740 No, no, no.

00:27:01.780 You need to put it to the witness.

00:27:03.600 And they eventually did.

00:27:05.220 Oh, they did.

00:27:05.660 Oh, that's good.

00:27:06.720 And what was the answer?

00:27:08.480 I can't remember his answer, but you know, it's one of those things that doesn't matter.

00:27:12.260 Actually, you know what?

00:27:12.700 I think we might have a clip 11.

00:27:14.320 Okay, go ahead.

00:27:15.500 Sorry about that.

00:27:16.180 I'm just looking at just a great list of clips prepared by our team here.

00:27:20.540 And I think clip 11, you know what?

00:27:22.460 Isn't that interesting how you had to do a workaround like that?

00:27:26.180 And let's play clip 11.

00:27:28.520 I think it might be the one you're referring to.

00:27:29.840 Take a look.

00:27:30.180 And you also said that we got advice from our law enforcement that we met the threshold,

00:27:37.200 that advice and the decision to invoke it, informed by nonpartisan professionals.

00:27:43.480 Can you agree that no law enforcement ever advised you that the threshold to invoke the

00:27:51.940 emergencies act was met?

00:27:53.220 That never happened, did it?

00:27:54.700 Well, I'd say two things in response.

00:27:56.740 One, we did receive advice from law enforcement very specifically with regards to the tools

00:28:02.760 that were then invoked as part of the emergencies act.

00:28:06.760 In fact, as I mentioned earlier today, in the February 13th email that my chief of staff

00:28:12.680 received from Commissioner Luckey, that there was an express link that she drew between those

00:28:18.980 tools, which were, again, we were getting briefed on consistently and the language of the

00:28:24.840 use of the emergencies act.

00:28:26.240 The second thing that I would say is the commission has since heard that a number of our nonpartisan,

00:28:32.520 professional, independent public servants, including those who operate in the security

00:28:38.840 and intelligence sphere, did advise that the threshold had been met.

00:28:43.380 Okay.

00:28:43.920 And just two last questions arising from now.

00:28:46.000 Commissioner Luckey, in an email, and it's already in evidence, told you and told, well,

00:28:53.200 told your deputy minister, or your chief of staff, actually, that she believed that the

00:29:01.600 emergency act wasn't necessary because they could use the normal laws of Canada to deal

00:29:06.580 with the matter.

00:29:07.020 My friend's misstating the content of the letter that he's putting to the witness.

00:29:09.900 Can you agree that Commissioner Luckey and no law enforcement official, a police officer,

00:29:17.860 advised you that the threshold to invoke the emergencies act was met, meaning that there

00:29:23.200 was reasonable and probable grounds or reasonable grounds of a threat to the security of Canada?

00:29:28.640 No one from law enforcement specifically said that to you, did they?

00:29:32.440 Well, in the broad context of my portfolio, I would disagree with that.

00:29:37.140 And certainly, as you heard from CSIS, the threshold was met in the broader interpretation

00:29:42.460 of the law.

00:29:46.580 So that was not the clip you had in mind, Keith, but it was interesting nonetheless.

00:29:50.300 And I got to say, if someone were to write a transcript of the absolute duck speak, as

00:29:57.700 Orwell called it, well, I would express the link between those tools in the broad context

00:30:05.580 of my portfolio, like, that is what Orwell called duck speaking.

00:30:10.460 And a good duck speaker was someone who could babble and make sounds to fill the time, and 0.94

00:30:17.440 you just say, what did you just say?

00:30:19.560 And to call someone a duck speaker in 1984 was both an insult and a great compliment. 0.98

00:30:25.580 He's a great duck speaker.

00:30:27.060 I think in plain language, we would say, a bullshitter. 0.97

00:30:33.080 Oh, what a bullshitter. 0.99

00:30:33.900 He's a good bullshitter. 1.00

00:30:35.460 Like, just pure bullshit. 1.00

00:30:39.100 And it's funny, because on my show tonight, I go through some texts where Mendocino's own 0.99

00:30:44.920 deputy minister isn't even bothering to show Mendocino some report.

00:30:48.600 He's sharing it with everyone else in government, but on even his own boss.

00:30:51.160 I think Mendocino's regarded as a bit of a joke, a real intellectual lightweight, and

00:30:55.260 not a decision maker, even by the government of Canada. 0.98

00:30:58.500 I think he looked like a fool, but Trudeau must be delighted with his duck speaking. 1.00

00:31:02.960 Well done from the Trudeau point of view. 0.99

00:31:05.100 What do you think?

00:31:06.520 Well, they're all doing it, and Blair did it yesterday, and we're going to see more of

00:31:11.020 it in the coming days.

00:31:12.960 But let's be clear about something, Ezra.

00:31:15.140 I mean, there's interpretations of law that are difficult under statutes, where there's

00:31:19.860 these strange situations that maybe don't fit well.

00:31:23.740 This is not one of them.

00:31:25.780 The Act is very straightforward.

00:31:28.240 It says threats to national security is the trigger for a public order emergency, okay?

00:31:34.700 Threats to national security.

00:31:37.000 It defines it as Section 2 of the CSIS Act, which has four things.

00:31:43.340 You can have any combination of the four, any one of the four, and if you hit any one

00:31:50.420 of them or any combination of them, then you meet the threshold.

00:31:54.440 All of the evidence has been from all of the police officials, the government officials,

00:32:01.320 that none of the four elements were present in the CSIS Act, including the most recently

00:32:07.160 unredacted document from a few hours ago this afternoon, saying the elements in Section

00:32:13.320 2 aren't there.

00:32:14.680 There's nothing else to look to.

00:32:17.220 This is, you know, there's times where lawyers can do a sleight of hand and twist and distort

00:32:22.420 things.

00:32:23.260 They're making this up out of whole cloth.

00:32:26.600 And do you think the judge knows it?

00:32:28.000 Like, I know, you know, the judge knows it.

00:32:31.500 Well, I'll tell you why.

00:32:32.420 Because one of the other lawyers yesterday walked Blair through each of the four elements and

00:32:40.180 then proceeded and got Blair to confirm that none of the four elements were present for

00:32:45.400 there to be a Section 2 threat to national security.

00:32:50.620 And then the lawyer went to pursue a new line of questioning, ran out of time, and then asked

00:32:57.700 for more time.

00:32:58.780 And Rouleau said, you're not going to get any more time.

00:33:02.440 You wasted time by going through all four elements.

00:33:06.460 We all know, and all the evidence has been, that they weren't met.

00:33:10.520 And, you know, we all felt like closing our laptops and saying, well, I guess we can go

00:33:14.500 home now.

00:33:15.060 So it's what they say in Latin, QED, that which was to be demonstrated.

00:33:20.540 QED, there it is.

00:33:21.780 It's right there.

00:33:22.860 Let's pack it up.

00:33:24.060 Now, by the way, our intrepid Olivia, I think she's found the clip we meant to find later

00:33:30.040 of these questions that you guys smoked out being asked by commission staff.

00:33:36.160 I think that's what we got here.

00:33:37.400 Let's take a look.

00:33:38.060 I haven't seen it, but Olivia said she thinks she might have found it.

00:33:40.840 Let's just throw that clip up before we forget.

00:33:43.760 Let's take a look.

00:33:45.960 Was, sorry, what is the date of this note?

00:33:50.800 I'm afraid I don't know.

00:33:52.740 Well, look, leaving that aside, yes, I was.

00:33:56.040 It says it's before the speech Monday morning, which is the date that they announced the invocation.

00:34:00.780 That might assist.

00:34:01.900 Okay.

00:34:03.220 Yes, I was aware that CSIS had concluded that Section 2 under the CSIS Act was not met.

00:34:11.920 I was aware of that fact.

00:34:13.440 Well, there it is right there.

00:34:16.680 There it is.

00:34:17.780 There it is.

00:34:18.980 Like, that's, you know, he's making it.

00:34:21.240 Section 2 of the CSIS Act.

00:34:22.880 Yeah, that's the test, brother.

00:34:25.320 That's it.

00:34:25.720 I mean, you know, for one minute, he speaks plainly to make the confession.

00:34:30.680 There it is.

00:34:31.500 We're done.

00:34:32.300 We're literally done.

00:34:33.320 There's nothing more.

00:34:34.300 There's nothing more.

00:34:36.500 Huh.

00:34:36.860 And, you know, one of the things I really need to emphasize, like, you can hear my voice, right?

00:34:43.480 You know, last night, the lawyers left my room at 1.30 in the morning.

00:34:48.600 And the reason is, we got dumped with another load of federal government documents at 6 p.m.

00:34:55.420 So we do as we always do.

00:34:57.400 We break them up into sets.

00:34:59.580 I started at the back, started working forward.

00:35:02.560 Eva Chipiuk took a chunk.

00:35:04.120 Bathsheba took another chunk.

00:35:05.580 And we just start going through.

00:35:07.700 And as soon as we find something, we discuss it, figure out its relevance, how we're going to use it.

00:35:12.280 We've been doing this for how many weeks now?

00:35:15.340 And one of the problems that the commission suffers from is, and I made this point to the commission today,

00:35:24.260 not in a setting that you would have seen in a transcript, but in a sidebar,

00:35:28.900 was not a single word has been said by the commissioner about this.

00:35:33.680 He's allowing the second most important party, or one of the most important parties,

00:35:39.500 because the convoy is clearly one of the most important parties,

00:35:42.540 but the federal government, to do these massive dumps at all times of day and night,

00:35:50.920 these bizarre redactions that have no basis in law.

00:35:55.060 And he hasn't said a single negative thing about it.

00:35:58.880 And as you pointed out, and I pointed out to the commission council today,

00:36:02.240 that normally what would happen is we would get an adjournment.

00:36:05.900 And you know that, you explained that to the viewers a moment ago.

00:36:09.220 You would get an adjournment, and there would be a consequence to the party that wasn't playing by the rules.

00:36:15.000 What's been happening in this commission increasingly,

00:36:17.560 is the party that suffers is the convoy organizers and those other groups,

00:36:21.560 the Democracy Fund, the Justice Center, and Constitution Center, and so on,

00:36:25.860 that are seeking the truth, or we're the ones who are the recipients of the pain.

00:36:32.020 And when we try and get a couple of extra minutes to ask another question,

00:36:36.960 we get shut down, and we're told we need to be more efficient with our time.

00:36:41.400 So the commissioner could do a much better job at trying to bring some balance and fairness,

00:36:49.320 and really needs to, if he wants his process to be seen as one of credibility and integrity,

00:36:57.700 there needs to be some, at least a statement made on the record by him about how poorly

00:37:04.480 and improperly the federal government is behaving.

00:37:06.720 Huh. Well, I hope so, and you're right that there's normally consequences,

00:37:10.360 but if we're under an artificial deadline to end this, there are only rewards for bad behavior.

00:37:17.540 Those who would conduct themselves properly undo themselves, and this is the Trudeau way.

00:37:23.980 Now, there's one more clip I want to play, and it's about my home province, Alberta.

00:37:28.440 I know you're from Alberta also.

00:37:30.360 Jason Kenney, who started off as the Ron DeSantis of Canada

00:37:34.900 with the lightest touch on the lockdowns, and then something snapped in that lad's mind,

00:37:39.060 and he became the most brutal enforcer of lockdowns in Canada

00:37:43.480 with his arrests and jailing of Arthur Pawlowski

00:37:46.380 and the seizure of the Grace Life Church, just appalling stuff.

00:37:51.600 Behind the scenes, he had some interesting things to say to the feds

00:37:57.120 about their lockdown theater. 0.96

00:38:01.320 He called it, the trucker vax policy is obviously dumb political theater.

00:38:12.240 So publicly, Jason Kenney, who is no longer premier in part because of his handling of the convoy,

00:38:19.080 publicly he was condemning the truckers in language that echoed Justin Trudeau,

00:38:24.260 but privately he did not think so.

00:38:27.220 I'm talking about clip number eight.

00:38:29.040 Take a look.

00:38:32.340 If we could scroll down.

00:38:34.040 So it should be the third attachment in the sixth email that was received from Mr. Brousseau last night.

00:38:41.300 There it is. 0.81

00:38:42.760 The trucker vax policy is obviously just dumb political theater. 0.96

00:38:46.400 Calling them Nazis hasn't exactly helped.

00:38:49.320 Do you recall being informed of Premier Kenney's position on this?

00:38:53.460 I recall seeing that that was Minister LeBlanc's, looks like a cut and paste of what Premier Kenney had relayed to him.

00:39:02.920 Okay.

00:39:03.260 And I take it you disagree with Premier Kenney's position?

00:39:06.460 Yes.

00:39:07.520 But is it true, though, that the Liberal platform in September of 2021 dealt with a mandatory vaccination policy

00:39:15.500 across the entire federal service and on federally regulated transportation?

00:39:19.380 Yes, we put that to the electorate in the 21 election.

00:39:24.580 And I believe you had 33% roughly of the popular vote there.

00:39:27.700 Is that correct?

00:39:29.440 Well, to the best of my recollection, yes, your number's right on that.

00:39:32.640 Okay.

00:39:32.800 Isn't that funny?

00:39:36.740 Well, listen, I want to take a short commercial break.

00:39:40.860 And let me get some advice from Olivia how we're doing for the rest of the show.

00:39:46.320 So stay right there, everybody.

00:39:47.720 We've got a quick commercial for you.

00:39:48.840 By the way, before we go to commercial, I just want to tell you that over the weekend,

00:39:52.480 we had a great convention in Toronto.

00:39:56.500 More than 750 tickets sold.

00:39:59.020 Most of those were for in-person attendees, but we also had hundreds watching online.

00:40:05.080 Great conference.

00:40:06.520 Real trucker theme.

00:40:07.820 The keynote speech was by Tamara Leach.

00:40:10.880 She came from Ottawa to give a talk.

00:40:12.740 Very carefully vetted from a legal point of view, make sure she didn't get in trouble with the bail conditions.

00:40:17.460 We had Palminder Singh, who became a viral star with his trucker TikTok videos.

00:40:23.240 We had Arthur Pavlovsky, who I mentioned earlier.

00:40:25.760 It was a great conference, day-long thing.

00:40:28.280 And we're doing it again this Saturday in Calgary.

00:40:33.500 And you can get all the details at rebelnewslive.com.

00:40:38.060 That's what we call it.

00:40:39.080 And we've got even more amazing speakers coming out.

00:40:41.920 You really got to be there.

00:40:43.220 There still are tickets left.

00:40:45.000 And there's even VIP tickets where you can have dinner afterwards with all the speakers.

00:40:48.480 How much fun is that?

00:40:49.680 So go to rebelnewslive.com.

00:40:51.740 Thanks for letting me make a pitch.

00:40:52.800 I had a great time.

00:40:54.100 You know, I mean, I do know most of these speakers before I interact with them.

00:40:57.920 So I have that privilege to begin with.

00:41:01.040 But to meet hundreds of grassroots rebels in their natural habitat is such a pleasure.

00:41:06.880 So that's actually, for me, the great value.

00:41:09.600 So if you're in southern Alberta, please go to rebelnewslive.com.

00:41:13.180 And if you're not in southern Alberta, you can watch live on Zoom as well.

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00:43:14.900 Hey, Keith, thanks for sticking around.

00:43:17.080 I want to play one more video and get your feedback on it.

00:43:19.760 And then we'll set you free because I know there's so much you got to do.

00:43:22.740 You're up till the wee hours every night reviewing documents.

00:43:25.780 So after Marco Mendocino did his duck speaking, that's a word we got to bring back.

00:43:33.760 Our team, Celine Glass and William Diaz Berthium, scrummed him.

00:43:37.640 Now, I have not watched his video yet.

00:43:39.140 So for all I know, it was five seconds long and Mendocino stomping through.

00:43:43.440 Or maybe it was him engaging in some glorious duck speaking.

00:43:48.280 You and I will be watching it together for the first time.

00:43:50.300 So let's play clip number 12.

00:43:52.020 And I'd love your feedback on it.

00:43:53.360 And I have no idea what I'm about to show you, Keith.

00:43:55.140 This could be a very quick or very funny video.

00:43:57.400 Let's take a look.

00:43:57.940 Mr. Mendocino, do you have any regrets about how the protesters were treated by your police?

00:44:11.940 Mr. Mendocino, if you believe that Alberta needed the EA to deal with Coutts,

00:44:15.860 why wasn't it mentioned in the 10 times that you had communications?

00:44:19.920 Good evening to you too.

00:44:21.420 Do you want to answer my question, Mr. Mendocino?

00:44:23.480 Yeah, they had no chance.

00:44:29.140 No chance.

00:44:30.140 He wasn't stopping.

00:44:31.620 I appreciate their effort.

00:44:33.220 I appreciate their hollering at him.

00:44:34.860 But he wasn't stopping.

00:44:36.900 He was just walking by.

00:44:38.440 What's that?

00:44:38.760 He was all ducked out.

00:44:40.880 Yeah.

00:44:42.620 I had no idea what I was throwing to you there.

00:44:44.360 I just have on the screen here.

00:44:46.580 They scrummed Marco Mendocino.

00:44:48.120 I wouldn't even really call that a scrum.

00:44:49.680 They hollered questions at him as he walked by in that imperious way.

00:44:53.480 But I got to say, had he stopped to answer questions, it would have been no more revealing than walking by.

00:44:59.540 Hey, Keith, thanks for coming by.

00:45:01.780 I know you're a busy guy.

00:45:02.940 I appreciate the fact that you're coming by so often to our little pop-up studio there.

00:45:07.700 It's been fun.

00:45:08.320 I mean, we normally don't have a base of operations, but I thought the idea of an Airbnb would be a good one.

00:45:13.360 We cycle through our reporters, and we've got a little studio there.

00:45:15.920 We've got some gear.

00:45:16.580 I think it works.

00:45:17.220 We've got a lot of viewers tuning in every day, and I really appreciate you bringing the smarts, as you do all the time.

00:45:22.120 So thanks for joining us.

00:45:23.620 It's great to be here, and we'll keep coming back until this thing's wrapped up.

00:45:27.460 Thanks, Ezra.

00:45:28.140 Right on.

00:45:28.540 All the best.

00:45:28.980 There you have it.

00:45:29.420 Keith Wilson, KC.

00:45:31.380 That stands for King's Counsel.

00:45:33.960 As you know, he's also the lawyer for Brian Peckford and Maxime Bernier in the case to challenge the ban on unvaxxed flyers in this country.

00:45:43.900 So that's Keith Wilson.

00:45:44.860 I do want to bring Celine back on, if she's still there at the studio.

00:45:50.020 I know our friend William Diaz Berthiom is still at the commission.

00:45:54.280 They are going strong.

00:45:55.820 It's 7 p.m.

00:45:56.980 I should tell you.

00:45:58.240 I mean, I haven't practiced law in a long time, but I've been in enough courts to know.

00:46:03.300 Typically, courts get going at 10 a.m.

00:46:06.600 Typically, they wrap up 4, 30, or 5.

00:46:09.640 I'm just saying.

00:46:11.620 We'll say goodbye to Keith, but we'll stick with Celine.

00:46:16.240 So, yeah, perfect.

00:46:18.060 We could say goodbye to Keith now.

00:46:19.320 You know how it is when you're doing live TV.

00:46:20.960 No problem there.

00:46:23.920 Celine, I've got to say, you're in a government town.

00:46:27.700 And, you know, I think of the joke, you know, I'm not big in the Lord of the Rings, but the Hobbit, you know, the Hobbits, those little people, they have this thing.

00:46:37.500 They have seven meals a day.

00:46:38.620 They have first breakfast.

00:46:40.100 They have second breakfast.

00:46:41.980 Then they have something called elevensies.

00:46:44.620 Then they have lunch, supper, and dinner, and afternoon tea or something.

00:46:49.460 Like, they've got seven meals a day, the Hobbits do.

00:46:52.040 And I always get a chuckle out of that because I just love saying the word elevensies, which is what you have when it's not quite time for lunch. 1.00

00:47:00.460 And you're hungry, but it's after breakfast.

00:47:02.640 I'm just going for elevensies.

00:47:04.360 It's probably a muffin or something.

00:47:05.660 Anyways, that's Ottawa.

00:47:09.120 How many coffee breaks?

00:47:10.500 How many lunch breaks?

00:47:11.960 You know, get up at the crack at ten, mosey on to work, then take a 90-minute lunch, and then, oh, it's time to – that's Ottawa normally.

00:47:20.160 And courts, too.

00:47:21.060 Start at ten, wrap up at 4.30 or 5 with a nice long lunch break.

00:47:24.600 This commission of inquiry, by contrast, is not taking seven coffee breaks a day, and they're working hard.

00:47:32.300 I mean, seriously, I have – I do not know any courts that keep giving her at 7, 12 p.m., which is what it is here at Eastern time.

00:47:41.700 And, you know, whether it's weekends or early mornings, this judge is working hard, and he's trying to get her done, isn't he?

00:47:52.880 Yeah, definitely.

00:47:54.980 And today we heard a lot more about the time constraints that this entire commission is under right now.

00:48:00.600 So we did – that did come in – it was received, I believe, by all of us, but they're really cracking down on people now for time constraints.

00:48:10.740 Rouleau even said today that if some of the other councils wanted to talk in private about if some of them wanted to offer their time to some of the other parties in order to work together to work around these time constraints, then they could do that.

00:48:26.060 So it's – to say that we're getting down to the bone is definitely no understatement.

00:48:33.280 I mean, again, we're getting higher and higher through the Liberal cabinet, so I can only imagine what we're going to hear tomorrow.

00:48:41.040 Yeah.

00:48:41.560 You know, our young friend William just posted in an internal memo to the staff the notice to members of the media covering the Public Order Emergency Commission,

00:48:51.320 new rules in place for the media when the prime minister testifies on Friday, new rules for security screening.

00:49:02.980 I'm delighted to say that Rebel News will be there, as we always are.

00:49:07.380 This is one journalistic event that Trudeau does not control.

00:49:11.540 As you know, he has historically kept us out of the federal leaders' debates, and two times we had to go to federal court,

00:49:18.660 and two times federal court judges told him he was breaking the law by violating our rights,

00:49:23.600 and two times they ordered us accredited.

00:49:25.900 We will have no such troubles this Friday, at least I hope not.

00:49:30.100 I don't expect to hear a word from Trudeau other than he'll use his sexy voice and say,

00:49:35.360 well, this is a learning experience for all Canadians to reflect on civil liberties and how we can all do better.

00:49:43.200 No, brother, you were the one who put us under martial law because you were embarrassed and you panicked.

00:49:50.660 And the sad thing about the martial law, Saline, was that when it was invoked, I remember crystal clear

00:50:00.660 the most common and most vociferous response to martial law in Canada by the media party, by the establishment,

00:50:10.320 by the people who count, by the big people, the official people, the fancy TV pundits, law professors, journalists,

00:50:19.860 was go harder.

00:50:22.660 Go harder, Trudeau. 0.99

00:50:24.820 Punish them harder. 0.96

00:50:26.360 They weren't shocked by Trudeau.

00:50:31.140 They said, finally, they loved his fascism.

00:50:36.020 It wasn't just Trudeau who admires the basic dictatorship of China.

00:50:41.500 Everyone in the Canadian establishment did too.

00:50:45.000 Oh, they would say they're against Chinese authoritarianism.

00:50:48.800 They would say they're for Tibet and they're for the Uyghurs in Xinjiang province and they're for democracy in Hong Kong.

00:50:54.800 They would say that because they have no skin in those games.

00:50:57.180 So it's easy for them to virtue signal.

00:50:59.120 But when it came to our own country, our own streets and riot horses stomping people and bank accounts being seized

00:51:04.640 and people being jailed for political offenses like Tamera Leach, our official class said more and harder.

00:51:12.620 Yes, sir.

00:51:13.460 I'm ready to sign up for the fascist league and I'll snitch them out and I'll try and rat them out.

00:51:20.020 That was the disgrace.

00:51:22.300 It is not that surprising that Justin Trudeau, the admirer of his father figure, Fidel Castro, the praiser of communist China,

00:51:32.780 it's not surprising that he went full banana republic, tin pot dictator.

00:51:36.360 It's not surprising.

00:51:37.120 That was his destiny.

00:51:38.340 He told us he would do that essentially. 0.99

00:51:40.200 What was surprising and disappointing and heartbreaking and needs some correction and needs some justice is that the whole damn establishment went along with him cheering the whole way. 0.98

00:51:52.600 Yeah, no kidding. 0.98

00:51:55.660 I'd like to see some accountability.

00:51:57.700 And so far, all that we've heard in turn of all the testimonies that have been provided is the exact opposite.

00:52:03.780 In fact, if it wasn't people just pointing fingers at each other this entire time, now that the Liberal cabinet members are testifying,

00:52:10.720 it's very, very apparent that they're very willing to throw each other under the bus to get through this as well.

00:52:15.100 So by the end of it, I'm not really sure what the result is going to be.

00:52:17.820 As you said, Justin Trudeau is going to use this as an example for how Canada can go forward.

00:52:22.780 And it'll be a very minor slap on the wrist.

00:52:25.020 And I think that there's a potential for there's a potential for crackdowns in the future because they already, let's say, succeeded one time.

00:52:33.300 So what's to stop them from coming up with something else in order to convince Canadians to give up their rights and freedoms again?

00:52:38.500 Because it was that fear that they drove through mainstream media.

00:52:42.160 It was the constant your neighbor, your family, your friends can make you ill.

00:52:46.400 They can kill you potentially.

00:52:48.280 So why don't you stay in your home, stay safe, digest what we will give you over the TV, over the radios, and just be complacent.

00:52:57.600 That's the cure, right?

00:52:59.080 That was the antidote for all of the things that they were going through, all the fear.

00:53:04.220 Just listen to mainstream media.

00:53:06.300 And now we have Liberal cabinet members, the ones that created the policies,

00:53:10.380 the ones that actually put into place these lockdown restrictions and mandates.

00:53:13.960 And I have heard no accountability, Ezra.

00:53:16.760 No accountability at all.

00:53:18.520 So I guess that is the question, what happens after all of this.

00:53:23.020 Yeah, and I would have to refresh my memory about the powers of this judicial inquiry.

00:53:27.760 I think it's just fact-finding.

00:53:29.260 I don't think this judge has power to punish or sanction.

00:53:32.160 No.

00:53:32.300 And it reminds me of the ethics commissioner, time and again, convicting Justin Trudeau of Conflict of Interest Act violations.

00:53:39.380 This is a $500 fine.

00:53:41.600 He got a $100,000 secret vacation from a lobbyist, and he paid a $500 fine, if memory serves.

00:53:48.280 Well, Celine, listen, it's great to see you.

00:53:49.680 Thanks for working so hard out there, along with William Diaz Berthium, who's there right now.

00:53:53.640 Sheila Gunn-Reed was out there, too.

00:53:54.840 I saw her in the background of some of the shots, of course.

00:53:57.940 Olivia Bruni, who operates our studio here, our friend Efron Monsanto, who normally does, too.

00:54:04.020 I think Mauricio Pachacorojas also does the video clips for us.

00:54:09.980 A whole team effort.

00:54:11.320 Kian Simone, I'm not sure if he's out there.

00:54:12.920 I think he is.

00:54:13.480 Like, there really is a lot of people.

00:54:15.240 And I have lost track.

00:54:16.280 I'm sure I'm missing a whole suite of folks.

00:54:18.820 Yankee Pollock, who is the boss of our social media, really is a big effort.

00:54:23.100 And for folks who appreciate these nightly live streams, and I only pop in once in a while.

00:54:29.200 The hard work is done by our folks in the Airbnb there.

00:54:33.700 I think we're covering this wall-to-wall.

00:54:35.640 Like, we're doing the full live stream every day of the proceedings.

00:54:39.440 We're live tweeting it.

00:54:41.280 We're doing video clips throughout the day.

00:54:43.900 We're writing news stories.

00:54:45.400 And then we have the evening wrap-up.

00:54:47.920 That's a lot of stuff.

00:54:49.180 It's a big effort.

00:54:52.620 Big team.

00:54:53.440 I've listed the names.

00:54:55.700 Big cost, too.

00:54:57.460 We've been flying people in and out of Ottawa for a month.

00:55:00.860 Probably 30 flights.

00:55:04.040 We don't have hotel costs, but we have that Airbnb for six weeks.

00:55:07.860 I think it's $15,000, which sounds like a lot.

00:55:10.460 It is a lot.

00:55:11.560 But it's a big house with four bedrooms, and we've turned the kitchen into a studio.

00:55:15.800 That's where we're spending the money.

00:55:17.880 Between the $15,000 on the Airbnb and the flights, we're probably at $25,000, maybe even $30,000 for this project.

00:55:24.800 So if you like what we're doing, please go to truckercommission.com and chip in a few bucks or more than a few.

00:55:33.060 Because I believe that we have to make sure this story is told accurately.

00:55:37.280 They're making history right now.

00:55:39.400 And it's important that the media party doesn't get to revise that history, which they're trying to do.

00:55:45.120 Well, Selina, let's wrap it up there. 0.96

00:55:46.340 Great to see you.

00:55:47.100 Thanks to the whole team in Ottawa and thanks to the team here at our world headquarters.

00:55:51.420 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel News Network, to you at home, good night.

00:55:58.160 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:55:59.320 You also mentioned in your question that, you know, that this business about there being the concern that if we invoke the Emergencies Act,

00:56:10.560 that it might actually lead to more violence or radicalization, as I believe you heard from Mr. Vigneault and CSIS.

00:56:17.120 I was very mindful of that, but I also and colleagues at the Cabinet table also had to weigh the risks of not invoking the Emergencies Act

00:56:28.800 because there were the materialization of counter-protests from individuals, specifically in Ottawa,

00:56:39.840 because they were so frustrated at their inability to go to their jobs, take their kids to daycare,

00:56:46.800 get access to emergency medical services, their prescriptions and the like.

00:56:50.340 I mean, it was utter and total mayhem.

00:56:52.540 I mean, let's call a spade a spade.

00:56:54.320 And so that frustration was boiling over.

00:56:57.340 And my concern in my capacity as the Minister for Public Safety is that if we don't equip police with the additional tools

00:57:06.000 and the authorities that they need to specifically address the gaps that they had been consistently briefing us on,

00:57:12.980 then that might lead to more violence.

Rebel News Podcast - November 22, 2022

BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 28 ｜ Public Safety, intergovernmental affairs ministers testify

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