Rebel News Podcast - August 13, 2026


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Liberal MP says he's too injured to work — so what has he been doing in China？

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Sean Chen Karima Saad Andy Lee Mark Carney Brookfield Carney Glenn McGregor Michael Ma Joel Harden Sheila Gunn-Reed Justin Trudeau King Charles Alexa Lavoie Xi Jinping MN Harb Yuan Pao Wu John F. Kennedy Markham Regional Gabriel Lepage Joe Warmington David Menzies and 8 more
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00:00:00 Hello, my friends. Oh, boy, do we have a lot of stuff for you today. We've got a great interview
00:00:04 with Karima Saad, the independent journalist who's suing some Antifa-style activists. And we also
00:00:10 have a story about Sean Chen. He's the liberal MP that no one has ever heard of or seen before.
00:00:17 Suddenly announced he's resigning because of a terrible car crash, except for there's videos of
00:00:23 him in communist China living it up. I really want you to see those videos, so please get what we
00:00:29 call rebel news plus it's the video version of this podcast just go to rebelnewsplus.com and
00:00:34 click subscribe you've got to see this mp who's allegedly resigning because he's injured
00:00:40 it's sort of like those insurance companies that spot people claiming to have a broken
00:00:45 neck or something and they're out dancing that's what the sean chen is like
00:00:59 tonight a chinese canadian mp said he was too injured to continue working but
00:01:10 he's actually being gallivanting across china what on earth is going on it's august 12th and
00:01:17 this is the ezra levant show shame on you you censorious bug
00:01:25 well Canada has been infiltrated by the Chinese Communist Party going back to Justin Trudeau's
00:01:40 days and maybe even before that CSIS has reported that 11 ridings were tampered with although we
00:01:48 were never told which 11 I think we can guess at least many of them in some of them for example
00:01:55 we heard reports that foreign nationals, Chinese citizens who are not Canadian citizens,
00:02:00 were bused in to liberal nominations and allowed to vote, essentially choosing the MP. Because in
00:02:07 some writings in the greater Toronto area, for example, winning the liberal nomination is
00:02:12 tantamount to winning the election. And it wasn't just shenanigans, it was threats. Remember when
00:02:19 the Chinese Communist Party jokingly threatened to put a bounty on another Chinese Canadian
00:02:26 candidate who didn't support the People's Republic of China. Remember that?
00:02:31 The other person that's running most probably is, you know, the Chinese community, you know,
00:02:35 Joe Tay. He's looking for the nomination. The Chinese media knows him. He was in the media
00:02:47 business in in hong kong and in here in canada he's a radio host or i don't know for xingtao
00:02:54 media or so their child he was a media person so that's all he did all he's like but also right now
00:03:01 he is wanted by the chinese government and there's a one million dollar reward on his head so they
00:03:07 want if you guys want to uh pick him up and and take him to the chinese consulate you make him
00:03:12 a million dollars but there is a arrest warrant out for him from the government of china and
00:03:18 and there is a reward for him but apart from that i can't say more than that yeah and that was all
00:03:24 fine by mark carney i mean he's not going to fight against china when china is getting him
00:03:30 what 11 extra seats now i am very wary of the accusation of dual loyalty that is people being
00:03:37 told, you are not a real Canadian because you're actually a loyalist to, well, they say it about
00:03:43 Jews sometimes. They've said it about Catholics. Are you loyal to the Pope? That's one of the
00:03:47 things they said about John F. Kennedy, who became the first Catholic president. But sometimes
00:03:53 it's exactly what's going on. I think, for example, of Senator Yuan Pao Wu, appointed by
00:04:00 Justin Trudeau, whose only mission, it appears, is to have anti-Canada, pro-Communist China,
00:04:08 anti-Israel tirades. It's relentless. And yeah, I don't think, I actually don't think Senator
00:04:15 Yuan Pau Wu would even object to being told that he's an advocate for Communist China.
00:04:20 They're not, they don't have to keep a low profile. Think of Michael Ma,
00:04:23 the conservative MP who defected and what was the bribe that Carney used to bribe him
00:04:30 it was a face-to-face meeting with Xi Jinping I suppose if you're Michael Ma you're in awe
00:04:36 of Xi Jinping because you're Chinese and in in his case you value the communist party of China
00:04:42 and the man the dictator at the tippy top the chance to meet him I suppose it would be like
00:04:47 the chance to meet King Charles or except for King Charles, it's more ceremonial. So
00:04:52 imagine that being the reward. Mark Carney and Brookfield, Brookfield Carney, maybe I should
00:04:59 start calling him that, rewarded Michael Ma with a face-to-face visit with Xi Jinping. And he was
00:05:04 just glowing, probably the best day of his life. Which brings me to Sean Chen, S-H-A-U-N, Sean
00:05:13 Chen. Have you ever heard of him? I'll be very honest with you. I had not heard of his name
00:05:19 until yesterday. Now, maybe I'm not following parliament as close as I should. There are 338
00:05:27 MPs and a great number of them are backbenchers. So it's okay not to hear of them. But
00:05:31 I saw people on Twitter who were sitting MPs saying, I've been an MP for five years
00:05:38 and i've never even heard of him let alone seen him but his name was thrust forward a couple days
00:05:46 ago because he announced his resignation because of a terrible car accident here's the state
00:05:54 broadcaster dutifully repeating that and it would be weird to doubt someone who said i'm resigning
00:06:01 because i had a terrible car accident and i'm physically unable to continue it would be weird
00:06:07 to challenge that and say, oh yeah, prove it. The normal human response would be to say, I'm very
00:06:12 sorry. I hope you get better. Thank you for your service to your country or something like that.
00:06:17 My sympathies. But I actually heard today, secondhand from police sources, that in fact,
00:06:25 the car accident was so gentle, it was a fender bender really, that both cars drove away. They
00:06:30 didn't actually even wait for police and no ambulance was called. And I'm told that the MP
00:06:35 He voted the following day and I was looking online and in one particular year that I looked
00:06:41 at the 2020 Sean Chen stood and rose in parliament to speak precisely once like all year.
00:06:51 He showed up to speak in parliament once.
00:06:54 No wonder all those other MPs have no idea who he is.
00:06:58 What was he doing?
00:06:59 I acknowledge that there are some duties an MP has that do not involve him being in the
00:07:03 House of Commons, but literally once all year. He took his paycheck every time, though, I can
00:07:09 assure you. I say again, though, was he really injured? Our friend Andy Lee found out that he's
00:07:19 been in China a lot, and he looks pretty good for a guy who's in such agony that he can't make the
00:07:27 journey from the greater Toronto area to Ottawa. Here's some videos from WeChat, which is sort of
00:07:33 the everything app that people in China use and a lot of Chinese Canadians use. It's like Twitter
00:07:38 and Amazon and TikTok, all the apps in one. It's the super app in China. And that's where
00:07:48 Sean Chen hangs out. And there's just countless images and videos of him partying in the People's
00:07:55 Republic of China with the Chinese Communist Party. In fact, ironically, when he does pop up
00:08:01 in canada on social media it's doing people's republic of china things here not canadian things
00:08:07 but celebrating the communist party of china here he's not a hidden agent you don't have to accuse
00:08:14 him of dual loyalty he is loyal to them he's hanging out and partying in beijing the greatest
00:08:22 dictatorship in the world who would have known this like i say conservative mps said they never
00:08:28 even saw the guy. I imagine most liberal MPs didn't know who he was. But there is a position,
00:08:33 maybe you've ever heard of the phrase, the party whip. What is a party whip? It sounds so
00:08:38 violent. Well, a party whip is in charge of knowing where all the MPs are in any given time.
00:08:44 That's actually their number one job in case there's a vote to make sure they have the numbers.
00:08:49 And that counts when it's close in case there's a need for quorum. MPs have to let the whip know
00:08:57 where they are. And if they're outside of Ottawa, they need to check in. If they go on trips,
00:09:01 they need to check in and often get permission. The party whip is the enforcer, is the minder of
00:09:09 all the MPs. They would have known exactly what was going on with Sean Chen, while the rest of
00:09:17 the parliament wondered who he was. Why would the party whip allow this? And why are the liberals so
00:09:24 desperate to stop questions about this. I see they've deployed Glenn McGregor to do counter
00:09:31 journalism or anti-journalism to Andy Lee and others saying, no, no, no, you got it wrong.
00:09:38 You know, wouldn't it be nice if journalists like Glenn McGregor actually held power to account
00:09:43 with such zeal instead of trying to take on independent journalists? But Andy Lee has an
00:09:48 advantage over Glenn McGregor. She knows Chinese, so she can poke around on WeChat and find things
00:09:53 and he can't. The worst hacks in the world right now are doing counter journalism. They're panicking 0.93
00:09:59 about it. And I noticed our friend Joe Warmington from the Toronto Sun had a great call about this
00:10:04 immediately. It went to number one on the Toronto Sun page, but then it was taken down with no
00:10:08 explanation. I wonder why that's sort of odd, isn't it? There's so many questions for Sean Chen
00:10:15 and the liberal whip to answer. And I think the PMO has to answer them too. First of all,
00:10:20 what is your MP doing so close to the Chinese Communist Party? Like whose side is he on? He
00:10:27 spent more time with Chinese Communist Party events than he did in the Parliament of Canada.
00:10:33 How? Why? Why was that accepted? Why did he actually step down? What do our five eyes
00:10:40 allies think? That's a possibility right there. Perhaps Sean Chen was so deep into the Chinese
00:10:47 Communist Party that maybe, I don't know, our counterparts in the United States CIA
00:10:51 contacted CSIS and said, if you don't get this MP out of there, we're going to have
00:10:57 to say something or maybe even arrest him.
00:10:59 I'm just brainstorming, speculating.
00:11:01 I'm taking a guess.
00:11:02 And maybe the option was put to him by Brookfield Carney, excuse me, by Mark Carney, that either
00:11:09 he resigns and comes up with an excuse or things are going to get bad.
00:11:13 We don't know why he really resigned, because he's clearly in fine fettle.
00:11:18 This story has only just begun.
00:11:20 I know the Liberal Party is trying desperately to put out the brush fire of this story, so
00:11:24 far with some success.
00:11:26 We're digging into it, and we're deploying the big, beautiful billboard truck.
00:11:32 Where's Chen?
00:11:34 I'll show you a video about that in just a moment.
00:11:36 Look, I know that Brookfield loves Xi Jinping.
00:11:40 They're still doing business.
00:11:40 And I know that Mark Carney still has an enormous number of shares in Brookfield, and thus he has business dealings in China.
00:11:48 But do the rest of us really have to go along with this China-centric new world order? 0.87
00:11:54 The progress that we have made in the partnership sets us up well for the new world order. 0.95
00:12:05 It's a partnership with new focus and greater depth and a sense of purpose.
00:12:10 And I look forward to realizing its promise and building on it in the years to come.
00:12:18 Yeah, maybe Sean Chen was the first MP who got a little too chummy with the People's Liberation Army or the People's Republic of China.
00:12:28 I don't know. He hasn't told us the truth, I don't think.
00:12:32 Anyways, take a look. Here's Scarlet Grace's new video just out tonight. 0.85
00:12:36 scarlet grace for rebel news liberal mp sean chen has announced he's resigning from the house of
00:12:44 commons effective august 15th 2026 the scarborough north mp first elected in 2015 says a car accident
00:12:54 in late fall 2025 left him with significant health issues that prevent him from traveling
00:13:00 to Ottawa as often as a job requires. Parliamentary records show he spoke in the House only once in
00:13:07 the past year. Prime Minister Mark Carney quickly thanked him for his service and wished him a swift
00:13:14 recovery. That's the official story. I think the biggest security threat to Canada is China.
00:13:19 Now here's what independent researcher and commentator Andy Lee has documented through
00:13:25 wechat posts videos and public records in march 2026 while supposedly struggling with travel
00:13:33 limiting injuries from an accident months earlier sean chen was in china videos show him eating
00:13:41 noodles with broadcasters tied to the chinese communist party's central propaganda department
00:13:46 there are influencer style clips of him featured on ccp linked accounts including one associated
00:13:55 with Guangdong haka content. One post even has a handler noting how far Chen went out of his way
00:14:02 to get there. These appearances took place well after the accident that, according to his
00:14:08 resignation statement, made regular trips to Ottawa too difficult. Then, just two weeks before his
00:14:15 resignation announcement, around late July 2026, WeChat posts show Chen again in Guangdong. He
00:14:24 He appears as part of what the posts call official business delegation, visiting Guangzhou
00:14:30 Yunmo Port with Markham Regional Councilor Zhou Li. Chen looks fine in the images, and
00:14:36 yet Canada did not have a publicly announced official parliamentary or government delegation
00:14:43 in China at that time. Who organized it? Who paid? Who did he meet beyond the photo ops?
00:14:50 so the same MP who could not manage the flights and schedules required to represent his constituents
00:14:58 in Ottawa was able to travel all the way to China twice so the same MP who could not manage the
00:15:05 flights and schedules required to represent his constituents in Ottawa was able to travel all the
00:15:11 way to China twice for meetings and media appearances involving CCP propaganda apparatus
00:15:17 and local Chinese partners.
00:15:21 Health issues that stop you from serving Canadians in the capital
00:15:24 somehow allow international travel for networking with the regime
00:15:29 that Canadian intelligence has repeatedly flagged for foreign interference.
00:15:34 The Chinese Communist Party is hard at work inside the gates here,
00:15:38 right where we're sitting today.
00:15:39 I'll bet, you can't see very much out there,
00:15:42 but I will bet you that there are Chinese Communist Party
00:15:45 affiliated people in this room today.
00:15:47 And, by the way, they look like me, like they're white Italian dudes, right?
00:15:54 But they're working for this mission set, and they're not spies in the quintessential
00:15:58 sense.
00:15:59 They're in our university systems.
00:16:00 In the United States, there is not a single university in the United States that isn't
00:16:04 deeply tied to Chinese money. 0.96
00:16:06 Chinese students in our country, they pay full student tuition, and then they come give 1.00
00:16:11 money to our labs so that they can, you know, steal our stuff. 1.00
00:16:15 They are inside the gates in ways that I think we have just, we've been very naive about this risk and what that means to us.
00:16:22 New evidence posted by Andy Lee shows Canadian MP Sean Chen cast an electronic vote on Surveillance Bill C-9 on March 23rd, 2026, the same day WeChat videos place him in Guangdong, China.
00:16:38 Standing Order 4512 governs the rules and procedures for electronic voting in the House of Commons.
00:16:44 It outlines how members of parliament may cast recorded votes remotely or via digital applications and establishes strict security and verification parameters, which requires electronic votes to be made from within Canada with visual identity confirmation.
00:17:03 There is, of course, a broader pattern of Liberal MPs and China-related controversies that have dogged the party for years.
00:17:13 The allegations surrounding Handong, CSUS warnings about Chinese interference in his 2019 Liberal nomination, claims of students being bussed in under consulate pressure, and later reports suggesting he discussed the two Michaels' detention with Chinese diplomats.
00:17:32 Dong denied wrongdoing, left the Liberal caucus, and the full picture remains contested.
00:17:38 The 2024 N-SYCOP report went further, stating that some parliamentarians were semi-witting or witting participants in foreign states' interference efforts, particularly China's, accepting benefits, providing information, or leveraging networks in ways that raised serious national security concerns.
00:17:59 The report criticized the Liberal government's slow response dating back years.
00:18:05 Multiple inquiries and leaks have detailed Beijing's preference for certain Liberal candidates
00:18:11 and its use of United Front tactics, diaspora networks, and proxies to influence nominations and outcomes in ridings
00:18:20 with large Chinese-Canadian populations.
00:18:23 When an MP's ability to show up for Parliament is compromised enough to force resignation, yet he can still make it to Kwandong for photo ops and business discussions with CCP-aligned figures, the public has every right to demand answers.
00:18:41 If the injuries were severe enough to end a parliamentary career, why did China remain accessible?
00:18:49 the questions aren't going away just because the seat is about to be vacant i believe the progress
00:18:57 that we have made in the partnership sets us up well for the new world order 1.00
00:19:06 let's kick ccp influence out of our government and their surveillance outposts out of the gta 1.00
00:19:14 If you believe our government must kick these bureaus out of Canada, head to kickthemout.ca and sign our petition. 1.00
00:19:21 That's kickthemout.ca.
00:19:25 If you want to see these questions answered, want to see Chen investigated, please check out the new campaign and add your name.
00:19:33 Help us get the answers that you as Canadian voters deserve.
00:19:37 That is whereischen.com.
00:19:41 Well, I'll keep you posted on this story.
00:19:44 I think there's a big manhunt on now.
00:19:47 Where's Sean Chen?
00:19:49 I'll let you know if we find him.
00:19:51 Stay with us.
00:19:52 More ahead.
00:20:00 You know, every now and then I see regime media journalists complaining about how mean the public is, about how dangerous it is to do their jobs. 0.95
00:20:10 Now, it's true. 0.70
00:20:10 If you are a war reporter, it is dangerous to do your job.
00:20:13 But if you were just a regular reporter in Canada, I really don't think it is dangerous.
00:20:18 And I'm always interested in that stuff because I'm in the journalism business.
00:20:22 And more importantly, I'm in charge of the safety and security of all of our rebel reporters.
00:20:28 And so I'm curious, well, what's it like out there?
00:20:30 And invariably, indubitably, every single time a regime journalist complains about threats, it's not threats.
00:20:40 It's not real danger.
00:20:41 It's just people clapping back at them, which is one of the wonderful advents of social media.
00:20:47 You have to remember, and if you're under the age of 40, you probably never knew this, 0.70
00:20:52 but there was a time when you just had to sit back and take it from the regime journalist.
00:20:58 There was no way of clapping back.
00:20:59 Sure, you could write a letter to the editor, but that was at the discretion of the regime
00:21:04 media whether or not they wanted to publish.
00:21:06 That's why, by the way, talk radio was so exciting when it arrived.
00:21:10 is because anyone could call in and talk and it was live. So even if they did cut you off,
00:21:15 you had a few seconds to make your point. That is what regime journalists mean when they say
00:21:20 they're being bullied. It's just a demand that they go back to the bad old days when they're
00:21:25 not accountable. That said, I know for a fact that independent journalists who dare ask questions of
00:21:34 the wrong people can get physically roughed up in a real way. And I know that because it's happened
00:21:40 to rebel news reporters. And I suppose in some small manner, it's happened to me too. Now,
00:21:46 unfortunately, a lot of that comes at the hands of partisan police who arrested our friend David
00:21:51 Menzies probably half a dozen times and even arrested me once. But more and more violence
00:21:57 on the streets by Antifa and other hard left-wing groups targets journalists who dare to simply
00:22:05 put a camera on them. And we've seen that. Our own Alexa Lavoie has identified a violent Antifa
00:22:13 member in Montreal who threw an incendiary device in a church. And he actually, we tracked him,
00:22:19 worked at the Department of Defense on a military base, and he actually tried to attack our own
00:22:25 Alexa Lavoie, Gabrielle Lepage is his name, but someone who is always on the streets on a daily
00:22:32 basis, I think is one of the leading independent journalists in Canada. Her name is Karima Saad
00:22:39 and she has a low key approach. I think my friend Sheila Gunn-Reed would call it like wildlife
00:22:44 reporting where you just sort of point the camera and let the facts do the talking. She often does
00:22:50 this at protests around the city. And the thing is simply showing what's going on. Well, to you
00:22:57 and me, that's illuminating. That's the core of journalism to report what's happening. But to
00:23:02 others, it's embarrassing because they wonder, well, why is Karima or Rebel News showing things
00:23:09 that put us in a bad light? They're supposed to edit that. They're supposed to not point the
00:23:14 cameras at our signs calling for violence, for example. And I'm afraid to say, I hate to say,
00:23:21 Karima has been targeted for physical attacks the same way Rebel News has. Well, she's fighting back
00:23:29 and she's joining us now via Zoom to talk a little bit about it. Karima, great to see you again.
00:23:35 You show great courage. You show physical courage on the streets because you are targeted,
00:23:41 even though in my opinion you have a low-key approach you're not ranting you're not famous
00:23:46 for rants and givener you primarily it seems to me just show what's happening am i right
00:23:53 that is exactly the approach and thank you ezra for the kind words um you know i've been documenting
00:24:00 protests and political events for five years now and the mo throughout this has been to provide a
00:24:09 window at times a mirror uh into what's happening on the streets um most people can't make it out
00:24:16 there reasonably may not want to make it out there and so i provide that window um but at times it
00:24:25 has resulted in physical violence i've been spat at hit shoved to the ground someone tried to rob
00:24:33 my cell phone at one point, blasted with megaphones, blasted with electronic whistles, a ton of the
00:24:42 hurdy words and verbal abuse as well. But the more that happens, the more I'm interested to see
00:24:50 what is it that these protesters want to conceal. Because when you are in public and making a
00:24:58 spectacle and it's only natural that it will attract attention and cameras and so what's wrong
00:25:05 with my camera specifically particularly where i mostly post raw footage and a bit of analysis
00:25:12 with minimal commentary yeah oh it's true i mean and i've never grilled you and pressed you on your
00:25:20 opinions i i'm i'm curious of course what you take on the world but i'm not trying to put you in a
00:25:25 box one way or another i'm grateful to you for showing me what's happening on the street and i
00:25:32 i find a commonality with you in that you are an independent journalist and you just want to show
00:25:37 what's going on including the bad behavior of the antifa types and and so that's enough for me to
00:25:43 know about you i mean i know that you are out there doing real journalism and i'm not the only
00:25:48 one who has come to that judgment for example i think you are regularly featured in the pages of
00:25:54 the Toronto Sun, your primary reporting, you're covering something that even the large post media
00:26:00 network doesn't. So they, they give you a shout out. I think they're pretty good at tipping their
00:26:04 hat to your work and giving you credit for it. I think they're just grateful that you're there
00:26:08 because they actually, in a friendly way, repurpose your work because you're often there where
00:26:14 they're not. So I think that you are doing very foundational building block journalism
00:26:21 upon which others can opine but you're the raw material that other people process like the sun
00:26:28 and i think that's very valuable and that's why in my view antifa is trying to shut you up
00:26:33 including including physically why don't you tell us a little bit about some of that
00:26:38 you mentioned that audio device it's an extremely loud noise that can cause deafness and it's
00:26:45 pointed at people and i think antifa does it because they think well police won't arrest me
00:26:50 if I don't actually hit her.
00:26:51 So I'm going to use this deafening device.
00:26:53 Why don't you tell us about some of the physical altercations
00:26:56 that have been thrown at you?
00:26:59 Sure.
00:27:00 So on the electronic whistle specifically,
00:27:02 my first encounter with it was in Ottawa
00:27:06 during a protest and counter-protest around gender ideology.
00:27:11 And the individual who assaulted me with it
00:27:16 was fully masked, dressed in black lock,
00:27:20 and was accompanied by a sitting MPP at the time who witnessed the entire encounter and turned his face when he realized the camera was zooming in on him.
00:27:31 So there is a degree of, I think, emboldening that happens where these activists are under the impression, and maybe rightly so, that they will receive cover from politicians and other authorities.
00:27:47 Now, this device, it can get up to 120 decibels, and there has since been a conviction, assault with a weapon, for another protester who used that electronic whistle on an MP.
00:28:01 And that's the only time I've seen a consequence befall someone is when they've attacked a politician.
00:28:10 There doesn't seem to have been much concern by police when the device is used on regular citizens.
00:28:18 And, of course, police themselves started using protective ear equipment after that protest.
00:28:25 That's the giveaway, isn't it?
00:28:26 The police will protect their own ears because it's so deafening, but they're loathe to make charges.
00:28:31 What was the name of that local politician? Was it Brander or something? I'm trying to remember his name.
00:28:35 That was Joel Harden.
00:28:36 Joel Harden, thank you.
00:28:37 Yeah, was with the Ottawa Centre, I believe, sitting with the NDP.
00:28:43 And, you know, he was asked about that incident on several occasions and never once condemned the use of noise as a weapon,
00:28:55 never acknowledged that it was something that's happening and instead chose to ban me from
00:29:02 attending abby lewis's campaign events because he was part of that team and had a position of
00:29:10 authority and flexed it i think in retaliation for some of the coverage that i've done um and
00:29:16 you know the the that's one device that uses sound of course there's also megaphones when
00:29:22 blasted at close range that can cause a lot of physical pain it's not just sound um it is
00:29:29 and the effects can last several days after um and you know on occasions where charges are laid
00:29:38 for physical assaults um and that's few and far between there is the crown prosecutor who
00:29:47 in my experience is quick to dismiss or withdraw, even without seeking victim input.
00:29:55 So, you know, I've had cases where assault with a megaphone, my videographer has been
00:30:01 spat on and called a slur. He's had his pants pulled down and his genitals exposed 0.91
00:30:07 to a hostile crowd. And in none of those cases did the Crown even bother pursuing the matter 0.85
00:30:15 to trial nor did they seek victim input can you tell me who that crown was three separate crowns
00:30:23 at 10 armory in toronto so i would say that there may be something of a systemic problem
00:30:30 one crown i believe was president of some crown association uh and so it's right up to the top
00:30:39 um this and and why is that the case um i could speculate um and you know i'm loathe to bring any
00:30:49 degree of of disrepute onto the the justice system that's not my intention here um but in
00:30:56 pointing out these patterns um there there seems to be a problem and is it the fact that prosecutors
00:31:05 are sympathetic to the causes that certain protesters purport to champion and as a result
00:31:14 they're more forgiving? Is it that there is disregard for independent journalists generally
00:31:22 and so no desire to protect us? Is it specific to us and to me? Because I'm also mindful that
00:31:30 alongside all of this abuse um there has been an ongoing effort to besmirch me um that it has
00:31:38 involved union leaders including public sector union leaders and of course crowns are public
00:31:47 sector employees um so i i really you know am committed to seeing this through and if criminal
00:31:56 recourse isn't going to manifest because, of course, victims don't have any real measure of
00:32:06 control when there's a criminal prosecution. They're not parties to that. There's also civil
00:32:13 courts. And that's something that I'm turning to more and more to try and discourage this sort of
00:32:20 behavior you know it's all i'm thinking of was these physical attacks on you and the and the
00:32:28 crown prosecutors showing no interest in and dropping the charges or not taking them in the
00:32:33 first place i was in ottawa a few weeks ago for tamara leach's hearing on can she travel within 0.96
00:32:39 canada and to the states to work she's had a perfect record according her probation officer
00:32:45 the government of ontario sent three prosecutors that day when i was testifying in in on behalf of
00:32:53 three so i think that there's certain political causes that it's downright a vendetta and when
00:33:02 it's antifa hassling you um yeah yeah but you've presented a lot of different possibilities of what
00:33:09 it is and let's never forget that these that the at the end of the day the attorney general who
00:33:15 decides about prosecutions is a partisan person and i am not impressed with ontario's attorney
00:33:20 general but your comment about this happening under the watchful eye of an elected official
00:33:25 joel harden confirms my statement i make from time to time that antifa are the street gangs
00:33:32 of the left-wing parties um that they that they are a symbiosis and maybe that has an effect on
00:33:40 it too but you mentioned you're doing something about it and i have in front of me a tweet you
00:33:44 made um i'll just read some of it for years orange hats organizer and i guess that's a group
00:33:51 gisella mckay has tried to bully us out of documenting the protest circuit
00:33:55 now she calls my decision to seek legal course recourse for harm committed by her comrades law
00:34:01 fair and and you go on to give some details and you have a link and i by the way i'm pleased to
00:34:06 say i i chipped in a few bucks myself to your uh civil defense campaign early supporter i thank you
00:34:12 You know what? I'm glad you're taking steps. Why don't you tell our viewers what you're doing? Because if the police don't help you, and I've seen it with my own eyes. I've seen some of the way you're treated, and I see the way I'm treated and Rebel News journalists are treated.
00:34:30 we actually sued the montreal police because they wouldn't help alexa lavoie they were 0.95
00:34:37 she was attacked by antifa and the police were feet away and did nothing so we're suing the spvm
00:34:43 as it's called um but if the police do not help you what can you do well you maybe you go to civil
00:34:49 court give me one or two examples of what you're doing in civil court because the police will not
00:34:55 protect you on the street? So civil cases include recourse for defamation, where individuals are
00:35:04 responsible for seeding certain narratives that then incite or even incentivize others to commit
00:35:11 violence against us, right? When you label someone a pedophile or a sex trafficker or things of that
00:35:19 Which is insane, by the way. It's insane to say that. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, I suppose it should be said these are all false allegations. And but it's so patently absurd and still very scary because there are people who do take that at face value and then believe that they are somehow morally just or righteous in enacting violence. 0.93
00:35:43 And so I'm addressing some of that through defamation claims.
00:35:48 There are also claims for assault and battery.
00:35:51 That's very interesting to me because most people don't realize that assault, when we hear that, normally it's police who charge for assault.
00:35:58 But you can also get a civil ruling for assault.
00:36:01 If someone hits you and the police don't get involved, you can go to court.
00:36:05 It's a different court with a different standard.
00:36:08 And, you know, you have to be your own, quote, prosecutor.
00:36:11 But you can do it.
00:36:13 you can do it. And, you know, it is tortious behavior. And, you know, so that's sort of the
00:36:20 nature of complaints that I'm bringing to civil court in the hopes that being in the driver's
00:36:28 seat as a plaintiff means at the very least we can see this through to the end. And I don't think
00:36:34 that a lot of the rationales that are put forward um you know key among them is the idea that these
00:36:44 people are fighting nazis and therefore anything they do is justifiable in that light i am not
00:36:51 a nazi and i don't think that that will play out well in front of a judge already um i've
00:36:57 you know, resolved some matters to my satisfaction without having to go to trial.
00:37:05 But at least as a plaintiff, you get to make that call. And so that's the course that I'm pursuing.
00:37:11 It is very kind of specific to incidents where the behavior is egregious or it had
00:37:20 ramifications or it was not properly dealt with through criminal courts and we're going to see
00:37:29 them through to the end so whoever had the idea that it made sense or was a good idea to harass
00:37:38 a journalist who also happens to be a lawyer it was not well thought out and and we're going to
00:37:45 see consequences and hopefully set some precedent. Because I do think that I'm not special or unique
00:37:54 in the sense that these tactics are used on others. And so if I have an opportunity to
00:38:02 highlight, showcase, and seek accountability, that may help others down the line.
00:38:09 Yeah. You know, I have in front of me a list of some of the civil actions you're starting.
00:38:13 Let me read one that makes me so angry. It's against someone named MN Harb. I don't know who that is. You say Harb repeatedly blasted a megaphone directly into my ear doing a protest. That's assault, by the way. She was criminally charged in connection with the incident, but the case was withdrawn. That makes me so mad.
00:38:34 mad i mean tamera leach didn't do anything like that uh she just made gentle facebook posts and 1.00
00:38:40 yet she spent 49 days in in jail and she has a house arrest now here's someone who blasted your
00:38:46 eardrums badly enough that police charged her but then a prosecutor said yeah no we aren't going to
00:38:53 proceed that makes me mad but you're taking a civil a civil case against them right yes and the
00:38:59 real insult to injury is that the crown didn't even bother to let me know that was the outcome
00:39:04 let alone seek information how are you what happened that's great so they didn't even
00:39:11 engage you as the victim of this to even oh my god that's and once would be an issue but perhaps
00:39:20 an oversight twice is maybe you know they're having a rough time in that office three four
00:39:27 five six seven times it becomes an unmistakable pattern and and so we can't rely on what ought to
00:39:36 be the public system um of dealing with this right and so and i i've practiced criminal defense so i'm
00:39:44 i'm sympathetic to the idea of diversion um which is where a charge can be withdrawn in exchange for
00:39:52 an accused who maybe has no criminal record completing certain tasks right i'm sympathetic
00:39:57 to that um but it shouldn't be a process that excludes victims entirely um and in all my years
00:40:05 of practice i've never seen that happen so that's what has lit this fire under me um to
00:40:13 do it myself sometimes i'm so glad you are you do it yourself and the fact that you are a practicing
00:40:19 lawyer. There's a whole bunch of pluses to that, including you have the confidence to go to court.
00:40:26 Going to court is a very scary thing for most people. Now you have a crowdfund and I chipped
00:40:32 in a little, you know, maybe I'll chip in again. Is there, it's on Give, Send, Go, which is a great
00:40:38 platform because, you know, I met the founder a few times. He's very much dedicated to freedom.
00:40:44 And so I'm glad you're using that platform. What's the best way for people to find that?
00:40:49 Is it through your main website or through your tweets?
00:40:51 Or how would you direct people to find it?
00:40:53 Thanks.
00:40:54 It's pinned to my Twitter.
00:40:55 So it's right there at the top.
00:40:56 But if you Google Give, Send, Go, Space, Protest Mania, or Give, Send, Go, and my first name, Karima, it pops up right online.
00:41:06 Great.
00:41:07 Well, I see other people are starting to join in on the crowd front.
00:41:10 I'm glad to see it.
00:41:11 And my experience is if you give people updates on how a battle is going, they may be willing to pay it in chunks.
00:41:19 We crowdfund litigation from time to time ourselves, unfortunately, for some of the same reasons that you described.
00:41:25 But I'm glad you're doing what you're doing and I'm glad you're not daunted by it.
00:41:29 And I know you're a member of the Independent Press Gallery.
00:41:31 And so hopefully there'll be some going forward, some assistance for you on the security guard side, because I know that sometimes we just we know there's going to be trouble.
00:41:42 So whether it's Alexa or Drea or Sheila going out there, sometimes like sometimes you can't expect things, but other times you can sort of know in advance there's going to be bad dudes there.
00:41:53 And I know the Independent Press Gallery has a has a process.
00:41:57 So don't be shy to to reach out to them for help on the security guard side of things.
00:42:03 Well, great to see you. And I'm glad you're doing this.
00:42:06 And I didn't know you were being so methodical about it.
00:42:10 i see that you've got more you know you know 10 or so of these on the go and that's important too
00:42:16 because it's not just going to court and hopefully winning it's the deterrent it's letting people
00:42:22 know as the scottish kings used to say in latin nemo me impune latches it that's written on the
00:42:30 edinburgh castle it means no one cuts me with impunity which really means people can hit me
00:42:37 i can't stop that but i'm gonna hit him back and when when your motto is nemo me impune latches it
00:42:44 after a while people start to realize don't take a run at karima because if you do
00:42:50 she's gonna get you and and hopefully it's sort of like you know a prison reputation you know
00:42:57 if you if you brawl on your first day maybe it saves you from other bras you know if you show
00:43:04 firmness and strength here people will say don't mess with kareem i hope that's the outcome that's
00:43:09 that's what i'm trying to say with all my you know scottish mottos and whatnot i i love that motto
00:43:16 and that is certainly what i'm trying to project and really all i want is to be left alone to
00:43:22 exercise my rights while i'm documenting other people exercising theirs it's not an unreasonable
00:43:28 proposition. And if, you know, that requires a course correction among certain activists,
00:43:35 then that's on them to do. Well, keep at it, my friend. Keep in touch with us and we'll see you
00:43:41 out on the street. Cheers. See you later. There she is, Karima Saad with Protest Mania. I like
00:43:46 the fact that she is not letting these bad guys get away with impunity, as the Scottish kings
00:43:53 would say. Stay with us. Your letters to me next.
00:43:58 hey welcome back your letters to me laura workman says i'm over 55 never voted liberal and totally
00:44:11 against tax hikes of any kind liberals offend us in every way shape and form yeah well you know
00:44:17 what i think they're really undermining the country and there's some things that are you
00:44:22 know reversible but i think the massive uh unrestricted immigration of people who do not 0.99
00:44:29 share canadian values that is one that's going to be very hard to come back from
00:44:33 vince of new scotland says carny the tax maxer considering 65 percent of canadians say the cost
00:44:39 of living is their number one issue how will elbows up spin this one you're right and it's
00:44:45 sort of crazy that they're going to hike taxes um i mean that's the liberal way of course he
00:44:50 spends like a drunken sailor i um i i've never seen the media this supportive of the government
00:44:58 before maybe in justin trudeau's first honeymoon years but i it feels a little different this time
00:45:07 i think there's a personal edge to it and a desperation to absolutely scorch any independent
00:45:15 thinking. And I see that in this story about Sean Chen. Not only are the media not holding
00:45:22 Carney to account, but they're desperately trying to stop other journalists from doing so. It's
00:45:27 certainly on my mind. That's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at
00:45:32 Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.