Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ The Kamloops graves question Wab Kinew won't answer, and Ottawa wants to outlaw unlisted

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Today is Truth and Reconciliation Day, or Orange T-Shirt Day.

00:00:06.320 I believe in truth and reconciliation. I think that's very important, but I think that the

00:00:10.600 powers that be today are not peddling truth. They're peddling their own propaganda, and I

00:00:15.400 don't believe they want a reconciliation. I think they want a division along racial lines, much like 0.55

00:00:20.140 the Black Lives Matter movement in the U.S. had. Today, I'll take you through Wob Canoe's latest 0.94

00:00:25.520 on this subject. I'll use his own video and his own proof points to show that what he claims was

00:00:30.760 an outrage was not a genocide at all. And frankly, he's being a bit anti-Canadian for saying so.

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00:01:08.620 tonight the premier of manitoba stands in a cemetery holds up a newspaper clipping about

00:01:23.640 an indigenous boy killed by lightning and says here are the graves is that enough to convince

00:01:30.720 you to stop asking questions it's september 30th and this is the ezra levant show 0.96

00:01:34.760 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:50.660 Orange Shirt Day, the national day for truth and reconciliation.

00:01:55.000 And this morning, Wab Kanu, the premier of Manitoba, posted this.

00:01:59.000 Take a look.

00:02:00.000 Some bad people today say don't meet the graves right here.

00:02:06.000 We shouldn't have to prove the truth over and over again.

00:02:12.000 But we will.

00:02:15.000 These are kids from the Brannan Indian Residential School.

00:02:19.000 As a dad, this one always, it's bedtime.

00:02:23.000 Every parent knows the routine.

00:02:25.000 These guys going to sleep by themselves.

00:02:27.000 homeowner dad and this is a very well-documented site maybe one of the more well-documented in the

00:02:34.740 country so this one you see the newspaper reporting at the time when these kids died

00:02:40.820 at the brandon residential school 1896 so this this child would have been buried here this

00:02:46.840 cemetery another child died 1897 another one 1901 the church recorded them vital stats for the

00:02:54.280 province newspapers of the day could be no denying what happened in residential schools

00:03:01.080 i hope kids across canada learn about places like brandon residential school

00:03:06.340 and you'll make canada stronger it takes strength to be able to look in here

00:03:11.660 it takes strength to look at pictures like this

00:03:13.980 some bad people he says hold on to that phrase we'll come back to him

00:03:20.880 So here's where he's standing, the cemetery of the old Brandon Indian Residential School,

00:03:26.460 Methodist and United Church, 1895 to 1972.

00:03:31.260 And yesterday his government announced it had bought the land, a private campground

00:03:36.160 called Turtle Crossing, together with the city of Brandon, a million and a half of provincial

00:03:41.840 money, plus 400,000 from the city, according to the CDC.

00:03:45.620 Now it's true, children died at that school.

00:03:48.900 Of course they did.

00:03:50.880 More than 25 of them between 1898 and 1906, according to the Manitoba Historical Society.

00:03:57.860 The first principal, a Methodist missionary named John Simmons, wrote that it was, quote,

00:04:02.900 sad beyond measure when we had to bury a pupil so far away from home and friends.

00:04:09.260 That's real grief.

00:04:10.860 I'm not going to mock it.

00:04:12.140 I don't know anyone who would.

00:04:14.480 But if you have hundreds of kids in a school, and this school was active for nearly 80 years,

00:04:19.960 you're going to have some deaths. I remember my high school yearbook had an in-memoriam section

00:04:26.960 where the couple of kids who died each year were remembered. Disease, an accident, it happens.

00:04:35.760 That's different from being murdered or genocided, which is so much of the woke narrative these days.

00:04:41.200 But look at what the premier holds up as his proof. He picked these clippings, freeze it for a second.

00:04:47.340 1896 a boy about 16 complains of a sick stomach and then blood gushed from his mouth in the stream

00:04:56.360 a hemorrhage of the lungs that's what consumption looked like in 1896 now read the rest of it the

00:05:03.480 local the school telephoned the doctor the doctor quote at once ordered his horse from the stable

00:05:09.860 and the last line there mr. Simmons and staff feel deeply grieved over the sad occurrence and

00:05:15.420 did all they could to relieve him. That's the premier's Exhibit A, a school that called the

00:05:21.780 doctor because a child was sick in the 1890s. Exhibit B, same year. The principal himself,

00:05:27.580 came in from the West today with one of the boys suffering from bronchitis and is sending him to

00:05:34.520 his home at Norway House, thinking that with the change he might recover health. So he sent a sick

00:05:40.680 kid home to his parents. Canoe shows it as evidence of a grave. It doesn't even say the boy

00:05:45.960 died. Exhibit C. These are all Wab Canoe's choices. By the way, Janet Tate, 14 years old, 0.99

00:05:53.260 quote, the funeral took place this afternoon at two o'clock in the industrial school cemetery.

00:05:58.500 The Reverend Mr. Allison officiated. A funeral, a minister, a notice in the newspaper.

00:06:05.320 That is the opposite of a hidden grave. Exhibit D, Joseph Tebow, quote, taken from the Indian

00:06:12.720 school at Brandon last March and has since slowly succumbed to tuberculosis. Where did he die?

00:06:21.260 At St. Boniface Hospital, Winnipeg. They put a dying boy in a hospital 200 kilometers away.

00:06:28.820 where's where's the crime and exhibit e you were at fiddler 17 quote was struck and killed by

00:06:38.460 lightning while riding on a carload of hay at a farm eight miles out of brandon where he was

00:06:45.540 working for mr mccray during the summer as a farm laborer summer job a thunderstorm quote there will

00:06:53.160 be no inquest. He was hit by lightning. So five clippings, a lung hemorrhage, bronchitis,

00:07:00.620 tuberculosis, tuberculosis, lightning. Not one act of malice, not one suspicious death,

00:07:06.760 and every one of them written down in the newspaper at the time, which is how the Premier

00:07:11.900 of Manitoba came to be holding these clippings. Do you know what Canada was like in 1901? Statistics

00:07:18.240 Canada does. Tuberculosis killed 9,709 Canadians that year. One death in eight. One baby in seven

00:07:29.640 died before its first birthday. It was a different time. And at Brandon, a 1935 United Church report

00:07:36.320 found that four out of five children arriving at the school already had some evidence of

00:07:41.620 tuberculosis. They didn't catch it at the school. They brought it with them. That's what life was

00:07:47.680 like 120 years ago. So what exactly is the premier rebutting here? Because here's the thing, nobody,

00:07:55.860 and I mean nobody, has ever said that children didn't die at residential schools. That's not 0.97

00:08:01.860 the argument. It's never been the argument. The argument is about this, Kamloops, the band's press

00:08:07.620 release, quote, the confirmation of the remains of 215 children, not graves, remains, confirmed.

00:08:15.660 The flag on every federal building flew at half-mast for more than five months, the longest in Canadian history.

00:08:22.960 Nearly two dozen churches burned in the six weeks that followed.

00:08:27.740 Seven weeks later, quietly, the graves became, quote, 200 targets of interest.

00:08:33.740 And then the band's own radar expert wrote in the band's own release,

00:08:38.320 definitive results come from forensic investigation with excavation.

00:08:43.020 That was five years ago. Ottawa's own table shows $7.4 million to the band from the Missing Children Fund.

00:08:51.080 The CBC now puts the total at more than $9.5 million.

00:08:53.880 And in July, the CBC reported that the chief says the community still doesn't know if or when it will excavate.

00:09:01.180 The Kamloops paper in February, the potential graves, quote, which the band now refers to as anomalies, have never been excavated.

00:09:11.420 no forensic investigation in five years on the most politically consequential claim made in this

00:09:18.040 country in a generation. That's what skeptics are skeptical about. Not whether a boy died of

00:09:24.420 bronchitis in Brandon in 1896. So look at what Wab Kanu did today. He answered a question about 0.99

00:09:31.800 undocumented, unexcavated radar anomalies in British Columbia by showing you documented deaths

00:09:40.120 in a documented cemetery in Manitoba with the documents in his hand.

00:09:45.060 That is not a rebuttal.

00:09:46.560 That is a trick.

00:09:49.640 And don't take my word for it.

00:09:50.860 Take his.

00:09:51.360 His own press release yesterday, this burial ground quote,

00:09:54.280 was commemorated in 1963 and formally marked in 1970.

00:09:59.160 And in the Premier's own words,

00:10:00.560 these graves have been known about since long before the invention

00:10:03.660 of ground penetrating radar.

00:10:05.440 Yes, exactly.

00:10:06.520 That's the point.

00:10:07.520 And by the way, who took the grave markers away?

00:10:09.680 the Manitoba Historical Society, says it was city of Brandon work crews clearing the land for a park,

00:10:15.380 not the church, the city. Now, Manitoba has actually run the experiment that Kamloops won't.

00:10:21.880 Pine Creek, 2023, radar found 14, quote, anomalies under the church. They dug for four weeks,

00:10:29.160 nothing. And Cowessus, the 751 hits that went around the world, a Catholic parish cemetery

00:10:35.860 whose headstones were removed in the 1960s.

00:10:39.040 The chief himself said,

00:10:40.660 this is not a mass grave site.

00:10:42.140 These are unmarked graves.

00:10:43.880 Very different thing.

00:10:45.400 Which brings me back to the some bad people remark.

00:10:48.780 Maybe he means these guys.

00:10:50.320 Sunday morning, Kamloops,

00:10:51.700 about two dozen men in black,

00:10:53.200 faces covered,

00:10:54.240 calling themselves the second sons.

00:10:55.980 That's a racist club 0.94

00:10:57.040 started by that Diagilon racist, 0.88

00:10:59.600 Jeremy McKenzie,

00:11:00.980 who is a confirmed RCMP informant, by the way.

00:11:04.200 He's a fed.

00:11:05.860 They walked onto the Kamloops Reserve at 7.25 in the morning, stood in formation at the cenotaph,

00:11:11.520 then hung a banner over the TransCanada, got bones.

00:11:15.580 One of them pretended to dig in the dearth beneath it.

00:11:18.300 Let me tell you what I think of that.

00:11:19.860 I think it's rude and I think it's gross.

00:11:21.720 I think it's cruel to people who buried real children. 1.00

00:11:24.460 And it's stupid. 0.99

00:11:26.340 And given that this was led by a federal informant, Jeremy McKenzie, 1.00

00:11:29.900 it's pretty clear to know why this happened.

00:11:32.440 It was to discredit every serious good faith critic of the Kamloops claim.

00:11:37.820 Every historian, every editor of the Globe and Mail.

00:11:40.320 They now get tarred with that mask, that second son's protest.

00:11:45.660 And it hands extremists on the left, like Leah Gazan,

00:11:49.460 the MP who wants to criminalize disagreement on this issue, 0.97

00:11:52.460 exactly the caricature she needs.

00:11:55.540 If you wanted to help the denialism lobby, 1.00

00:11:58.580 you couldn't have designed a better stunt.

00:12:00.480 Like I say, they are feds. 0.99

00:12:03.680 That's why they hide their face.

00:12:06.080 So Mark Carney condemned this protest the next day, calling it abhorrent, cowardly, 0.66

00:12:12.880 this disgusting display of hate.

00:12:15.240 David Eby, desperate in a re-election campaign, he's the premier of BC, called it disgusting, 0.99

00:12:20.340 dangerous, and cowardly.

00:12:21.720 The Assembly of First Nations, the Chiefs Kamloops City Council, fine, deserved. 0.96

00:12:25.980 Masked men with an insulting sign on somebody else's land, obviously feds.

00:12:31.340 They deserve to be called out.

00:12:32.540 I'd like to see their faces, frankly.

00:12:35.740 But hey, can I get some of that outrage for myself? 0.91

00:12:41.340 I mean, March 15th of this year, Bathurst and Shepard, signs showing Jews as monsters 0.99

00:12:46.780 with long noses coming onto the ground like rats. 0.94

00:12:51.560 Toronto police eventually charged five people with willful promotion of hatred,

00:12:54.720 but not a word we could find from Mark Carney.

00:12:58.320 Isn't that funny?

00:13:00.000 And I know that street corner.

00:13:01.640 In November 2024, I stood on that same sidewalk

00:13:04.320 with my phone filming a pro-Hamas demonstration

00:13:07.520 that had reenacted the death of terrorist Yahya Sinwar

00:13:10.920 on the pavement.

00:13:12.020 The Toronto police arrested me, not them, me,

00:13:16.500 for, quote, causing a disturbance

00:13:18.160 because my being there upset the racist demonstrators.

00:13:21.300 They put me in a cell,

00:13:23.160 And then they declined to charge me with anything because there was nothing to charge.

00:13:26.280 In Kamloops, the masked men went home.

00:13:29.440 At Bathurst and Shepard, the Jew went to jail at a pro-Hamas rally.

00:13:33.160 No words from the Prime Minister of the day, Justin Trudeau.

00:13:35.800 Isn't that funny, what Prime Ministers choose to worry about as racist or unacceptable?

00:13:42.260 But here's the thing.

00:13:43.200 The masked men aren't who Wabkanu means.

00:13:46.520 He said people who say, quote, show me the graves.

00:13:49.300 Well, that's the band's own scientists. That's the Globe and Mail whose editorial board wrote

00:13:55.680 in May, quote, the media, including the Globe and Mail, did not initially scrutinize, much less

00:14:00.600 challenge that assertion. And it is not proven to be true today. Are the Globe and Mail's editors

00:14:06.880 bad people, Premier? Because bad isn't just a word anymore. It's a bill. C-254 is a bill sitting in

00:14:14.400 the House of Commons right now, up to two years in prison for, quote, condoning, denying, downplaying

00:14:20.280 or justifying the Indian residential school system or for, quote, misrepresenting facts relating to

00:14:25.580 it. Senators tried to bolt the same offense onto the government's hate speech bill in June. It lost

00:14:31.060 by nine votes. Pretty close. Last Thursday, the federal minister confirmed a five million dollar

00:14:36.080 program, your money, to fight denialism, which she defines as, quote, casting doubt on the history

00:14:42.560 of residential schools. Casting doubt on history. I thought casting doubt was sort of part of

00:14:49.340 journalism. You're skeptic. You doubt most things. You seek proof. And this week, the chorus got

00:14:55.940 louder. The BC Assembly of First Nations on Tuesday said, I call on Canada directly to urgently reform

00:15:01.680 the criminal code and acknowledge residential school denialism as hate speech. That's Grand

00:15:06.780 Chief Stuart Phillip, who said, quote, criminalize Indian residential school denialism. Sean Carlson

00:15:12.480 the professor who wrote the book on denialism, told the Senate, quote, you can't downplay,

00:15:17.660 minimize, twist, or distort facts about the Holocaust because that's engaging in anti-Semitism.

00:15:23.040 Holocaust, that's the comparison now. And the Canadian press headline on Monday was,

00:15:27.940 Minister Won't Commit to Criminalizing Residential School Denialism. Won't commit yet. Oh, it's coming.

00:15:34.680 Here's where that leads, by the way. Yesterday afternoon, the University of Calgary,

00:15:38.980 Dr. Tom Flanagan, 82 years old, a retired professor at that university,

00:15:42.400 the man who co-edited Grave Error about Kamloops,

00:15:45.560 he sat at a table in the open with our own reporter, Drea Humphrey,

00:15:48.760 and invited any student who disagreed to sit down and have a conversation, argue, whatever.

00:15:54.360 It was a project of the new group we're supporting Canadian students for free speech.

00:15:58.500 The question on the table, were residential schools genocide?

00:16:03.020 And students did sit down, half an hour at a time, the organizers say.

00:16:06.260 Then one student walked up shouting that they were white supremacists and had to leave.

00:16:11.060 A crowd formed and chanted, get off campus.

00:16:13.720 And a man in a mask walked up behind them and emptied a full bottle of water on Dr. Flanagan's head.

00:16:19.960 Soaked Drea too.

00:16:21.820 Security grabbed him.

00:16:22.820 The crowd chanted, let them go.

00:16:24.820 Police took him anyway, and the event ended because it had to.

00:16:27.520 It was water this time, but could be something next time.

00:16:30.440 Listen to the word that the student used, though. 0.96

00:16:32.560 White supremacists.

00:16:34.820 Where does a kid at the University of Calgary get the idea that a retired political science 0.95

00:16:38.520 professor and a black reporter asking for evidence are white supremacists? Who put that in his head?

00:16:46.600 Well, it might come from the premier who called them bad people, from the MP who calls it

00:16:50.700 hate, from the chiefs who won it in the criminal code, from the professor who compares it to the

00:16:55.220 Holocaust. When every grown-up in authority says the question itself is a hate crime,

00:17:00.580 a kid with a water bottle thinks he's the good guy. Next time it won't be water. Then there's

00:17:07.200 Wob Canoe's photographs. Bunk beds, kids in pajamas, bedtime, Canoe says. These guys going

00:17:14.420 to sleep by themselves, no mom or dad. Hockey, a classroom, a dining hall. That's every boarding

00:17:20.540 school on earth. Lonely for your parents? I'm sure they were. So is every student at any

00:17:25.580 boarding school. Lonely is not a genocide. And here's what he leaves out. You know the Truth

00:17:30.980 and Reconciliation Commission about 10 years ago? They themselves wrote, and I quote,

00:17:36.720 many students have positive memories of their experiences of residential schools and acknowledge

00:17:42.080 the skills they acquired. The same commission reported that in the 1940s, the Indian band at

00:17:49.280 Cold Lake, Alberta, quote, called for the construction of a residential school in their

00:17:53.920 community, unquote. Parents asked for these schools. Thompson Highway, the most celebrated

00:18:00.800 indigenous playwright this country has ever produced, said, quote, nine of the happiest years

00:18:05.700 of my life I spent it at that school, unquote. Was there abuse? Yeah, of course. Real abuse by real

00:18:12.600 people. And this country paid for three billion dollars on 38,000 abuse claims and another 1.6

00:18:20.320 billion to 79,000 people just for having attended. I know a lawyer, a successful one, who told me he

00:18:28.160 never would have even become a lawyer without having gone to one of these schools. There are

00:18:32.920 plenty like him. You'll never hear from them on Orange Shirt Day. So what's this really about?

00:18:39.340 It's not about Janet Tate or the other kids who died from disease or accidents. It's not about

00:18:45.780 them. It's about keeping a country in 2026 guilty and demoralized and keeping the money flowing.

00:18:54.500 $323 million committed to grave searches so far. $285 million spent on 166 projects and not one

00:19:04.080 body from a radar anomaly at Kamloops. It's about land, a premier who buys a campground with your

00:19:10.980 money and calls it returning it to a First Nation. And it's about making the question itself a crime

00:19:16.580 or failing that, making it dangerous to ask out loud. You cannot deny history, Wob Canoe says.

00:19:23.920 I am not denying it. I just read it to you off his own clippings. A boy died of a lung hemorrhage in

00:19:31.200 1896 and the school called the doctor for him. That is not a genocide. What do you call the other

00:19:38.540 thing the 215 that then became 200 that then became anomalies that no one will dig up and

00:19:46.560 that they'd like to send you to prison for questioning and they got an 82 year old professor

00:19:50.860 doused in the middle of a university yesterday for discussing you tell me what it's called

00:19:55.780 while you're still allowed to.

00:19:58.480 Stay with us for more.

00:20:08.040 Hey, the other day I introduced you to William Diaz.

00:20:11.140 Back in the day, he was a reporter for Rebel News based in Ottawa.

00:20:15.100 Then he came to Alberta to do very exciting things.

00:20:17.320 And now he is the national campus coordinator for a new youth movement

00:20:23.140 called the Canadian Students for Free Speech. What a good idea. And its project is to set up

00:20:30.000 free speech clubs across Canada and to put that into practice by inviting debaters or speakers

00:20:37.100 to talk about controversial subjects, not boring things, but spicy things that we tend to, you

00:20:43.820 know, self-censor about because they may be politically incorrect. But the kind of thing

00:20:48.200 that people think about and sometimes talk about in hushed voices. Well, yesterday was one such day

00:20:54.160 and Dr. Tom Flanagan, a retired professor and author from the University of Calgary, and our

00:20:59.320 own Drea Humphrey were there to talk about residential schools and if they were indeed a

00:21:06.460 genocide, as the left would have us believe. Let me show you some footage of how that went.

00:21:14.340 They weren't literate, generally speaking, right?

00:21:17.240 Breaking news, Drea Humphrey with Rebel News at the University of Calgary.

00:21:27.100 I've been invited to speak here with Dr. Tom Flanagan by the Canadian students for free speech.

00:21:34.400 We were here for hours peacefully discussing the conversation of whether or not residential schools is in fact genocide.

00:21:41.980 We had amazing conversations. Some people agreed with what we said, some didn't.

00:21:46.880 It was very peaceful until a mob came out and attacked.

00:21:50.320 So we've been assaulted. You can have a look at some of the students.

00:21:53.520 Not all of them want us out, but we're going to leave for safety reasons.

00:21:56.720 You're not going to want to miss watching this whole report, the state of free speech in Canadian universities.

00:22:02.880 And you can find a lot of our coverage on this topic and more at reconciliationoverreach.com.

00:22:09.800 Well, that was the apex or the low point, depending on your point of view, of the day.

00:22:16.080 A student sneaked up behind Dr. Flanagan and emptied a container of water on him,

00:22:21.480 splashed drea too.

00:22:22.900 Now it's just water.

00:22:23.960 I suppose you could dry off.

00:22:25.180 It might mean the suit had to go in for a dry clean.

00:22:27.800 But what if it wasn't just water?

00:22:29.620 What if it was acid or some other noxious substance?

00:22:33.460 It's a salt either way.

00:22:35.220 And I think this sort of proves the point that Canada needs a re-education.

00:22:39.800 about what free speech actually means. Joining us now to talk about the incident,

00:22:43.520 and we'll play some more footage too, is our friend William Diaz, the National Campus Coordinator.

00:22:48.560 William, great to see you. We just talked to you like a few days ago, and this is one of your first

00:22:54.320 events. First of all, it looked huge, didn't it? There were a lot of students around there.

00:23:00.020 Yeah, it started off very slowly. A lot of students just came up to the microphone for

00:23:03.840 civil conversations for Dr. Flanagan. Andrea had a lot of really good conversations with students.

00:23:09.800 And as the day went on, after an hour and a half, we saw a crowd of a lot of students, as you can see on the footage that we have, a lot of students gathered around, tried to hear what the professor, what Drea and the students were debating.

00:23:22.860 Unfortunately, we weren't allowed to have a noise amplifier with us, so it was hard to hear them from far away.

00:23:27.800 But there were a lot of students who came about and had good conversations.

00:23:30.900 So how did it go? Was it a one-on-one back and forth and everyone would listen in?

00:23:36.260 so it was extended conversation it wasn't more like a question period it was like a back and

00:23:41.780 forth conversation yeah exactly if someone wanted to come to the microphone for a minute they could

00:23:46.640 come for a minute and ask a question a lot of students came for i would say on average 15 to

00:23:50.800 15 to 30 30 minutes uh to have conversations with dr flanagan and andrea again uh you said

00:23:56.940 was it the high point or the low point i would say that what happened at the end was the low

00:24:00.240 point i thought i want us to remember that what what truly happened during this event were the

00:24:04.540 conversations. The great civil dialogues that Drea and Dr. Flanagan had with students, that's

00:24:10.060 what I hope people remember. It's unfortunate the event that happened at the end, but I hope it

00:24:13.820 doesn't overshadow the efforts of the students who are hoping to start a club at UFC. Well, that's

00:24:19.040 the right attitude, of course. I think it shows that some people on campus have forgotten that

00:24:23.820 it is a place of ideas and being challenged, and you have to use your words, not just sneak up on

00:24:29.620 someone and pour water on them. That's a rather childish way of disagreeing. Now, let me ask you,

00:24:34.640 the people who would go on for 10 or 20 minutes, that means they're moving beyond just a shallow

00:24:40.620 talking point. I think a lot of citizens, they know one or two things about a lot of subjects,

00:24:46.620 what they hear on TV or in newspapers, but can they actually go 10 full minutes, which is quite

00:24:52.360 deep on an issue as, I don't know, fact-based as these residential schools. Would you say

00:24:59.980 that the students were well-informed? Were they just sticking to the talking points that their

00:25:05.160 professors told them? Did they give speeches or was it more questions? Like how did it go back

00:25:11.860 and forth? Yeah, I wasn't able to hear the majority of the conversations because I was trying to

00:25:17.160 manage the whole situation around us. But from what I saw, most of the students disagreed with

00:25:22.340 with drea and dr flanagan uh but a lot of them again approached it from a very civil civil

00:25:27.220 perspective uh one of them one of the the ladies who came over complimented dr flanagan on his

00:25:32.420 books and said that she read all of them um and wanted to discuss them with him obviously again

00:25:37.700 a lot of students disagreed with with the two but i think at the beginning from what i was able to

00:25:42.500 hear it came from a place of misunderstanding they were assuming drea's position on the issue

00:25:47.140 dr flanagan's position on the issue and a lot of the the conversations that i overheard was a lot

00:25:51.620 lot of clarification what do i actually believe about this issue again we're so used nowadays to

00:25:56.780 seeing the headlines of a story on on the mainstream media or on the media about an issue

00:26:02.240 and making our opinion just from a headline but actually to get to know the person understand what

00:26:05.740 the person truly believes um is is a great way to to find common ground and to have the dialogue and

00:26:11.080 that's what i heard a lot of students have isn't that interesting now um when and i don't want to 0.99

00:26:17.120 overstate the importance of some idiot splashing a bottle of water. I mean, that really is 0.99

00:26:22.220 an emotional outburst. It's childish. That is what a baby would do. You're not a dad yet,

00:26:28.260 but when you have kids, they will take their bottles and throw them out like it really was

00:26:33.440 a big old baby. But that is a form of violence. And you saw in the video, and to be fair to the

00:26:42.260 campus police, he looked like just a regular guy. He was pretty crowded in there, but he did get

00:26:47.560 behind Tom Flanagan and splash him. And anyhow, our private security, when I say our, I mean your

00:26:54.380 private security, was right on the spot. And I understand police charged him. How was the campus

00:27:01.440 to deal with? Because free speech, talking about Indigenous issues, you know, a university

00:27:07.260 administration might not like having that talk on their campus. How would you rate the U of C's

00:27:13.480 response to you? To the University of Calgary's credit, so I studied at the University of Ottawa

00:27:19.500 for a year and then I moved to Alberta out west. The University of Calgary is a university that

00:27:25.040 seems to truly defend freedom of expression. They have an entire statement on their website

00:27:30.660 on freedom of expression and how it is important to let speakers that you disagree with who have

00:27:35.760 controversial opinions, say what they believe, because that is how we build a better society.

00:27:39.920 It's through debates, not through violence. So even though students try to shut down the event

00:27:44.620 and went to campus security to ask them to remove us from campus, the campus security

00:27:49.280 stood their ground and told them that this was freedom of expression, that we had booked the

00:27:52.400 space, that we had a right to be there. They were very helpful in terms of getting us out of the

00:27:56.620 building and getting us to a safe location while the police interactions were going on.

00:28:02.620 Again, unfortunate that it ended this way.

00:28:04.720 I think they were very cooperative.

00:28:06.140 I'm very glad that we had our own security there because who knows what could have happened.

00:28:09.420 There were a lot of students who were very angry about Drea and Dr. Flanagan's mere presence on campus who refused to debate, even though we invited them many times to debate.

00:28:17.460 So to the University of Calgary's credit, they did a decent job.

00:28:21.280 You know, the idea of refusing to debate someone, refusing to even grant that someone could hold a different opinion, that's very, it requires almost a unanimity.

00:28:34.300 Here's what I mean.

00:28:35.400 If you de-platform someone, but someone else gives them a platform, all that happens is that you show that you're a bit of a fascist, bit of an authoritarian. 0.96

00:28:44.160 So that kind of mean girls approach requires everybody to be in on it. 0.73

00:28:49.280 So if people were demanding that the University of Calgary kick out Drea and Dr. Flanagan and the university ignored it and other people engaged, as you described, that sounds like a big win. 0.81

00:29:02.080 And if the tactic of freezing out opponents, deplatforming opponents, calling the cops on opponents wasn't successful, who knows, maybe in time, those people who tried to short circuit a conversation would feel, well, maybe they have to participate in a conversation and not just, you know, hit the panic button, which they clearly did, the I'm triggered button.

00:29:26.220 I don't know. It's very interesting. I mean, I think that just as interesting as the conversation itself was how everyone dealt with it. And you tell me that there were a bunch of complaints. Was it an organized complaining or was it just sort of people who don't like to hear spicy things?

00:29:43.500 I'm not sure. I would probably say the latter over the former until we have evidence that the former was true.

00:29:49.380 There was one man in the middle of the event who just stormed towards the table and started shouting at Drea and Dr. Flanagan that they were white supremacists, which is. 0.95

00:29:59.380 Well, that's great. So I'll tell Drea that she's a white supremacist. She'll find that news. That's for sure. 0.84

00:30:04.540 That's right. But again, like it was it was disappointing to see that there are some students who prefer to choose violence over civil debates.

00:30:10.860 I invited them so many times to come have a conversation.

00:30:14.160 We're not planning on backing out.

00:30:15.560 We want to have more of those conversations because, again, when people stop talking, that's when violence happens.

00:30:20.480 We want to prevent that.

00:30:21.340 We saw that student on campus who decided to just stop talking and pour a bottle of water on Dr. Flanagan's head.

00:30:28.020 But I hope that we can soon release the rest of the footage, the rest of the interactions that we had, because those were very constructive.

00:30:34.160 I hope that many people had their minds changed or at least were able to understand a different perspective that is not usually platform on a university campus.

00:30:42.420 Well, that's great. So, of course, this was an event for your group, Canadian Students for Free Speech.

00:30:48.180 Did you sign up students? Did you have like a sign up there for people to join the club?

00:30:53.900 That's right. Yeah. And we have an executive team at the University of Calgary.

00:30:56.980 So the president and the vice president of events were there helping manage the event.

00:31:01.380 And they did a lot of the work to hold the microphone, get students, get students in.

00:31:05.780 I was there overseeing the whole thing and making sure everything ran smoothly and that we had no issues operationally and with the university.

00:31:13.280 So a lot of kudos to our team on campus at UFC.

00:31:17.440 Well, it's very exciting for me to hear that the team is there and growing because you've only been at this.

00:31:22.240 It's measured in days or weeks now.

00:31:26.680 Were the other students, were they excited by the day?

00:31:29.760 Did they feel exhilarated by what they had done?

00:31:32.760 I mean, did they, how did they feel at the end of it?

00:31:36.000 Because they must have, they organized it, they staffed it.

00:31:39.340 There was that unfortunate water splashing moment.

00:31:42.040 How did the Calgary members of the club, what did they tell you afterwards?

00:31:47.080 A lot of them were excited that this was happening.

00:31:49.140 Obviously, what happened with the assault incident was unfortunate.

00:31:52.560 There was a lot of adrenaline pumping.

00:31:54.240 But before that, we were all so surprised by how calm and civil everyone was.

00:31:58.820 Again, the conversations that we had, sorry, that Drea and Dr. Flanagan had with students were so good.

00:32:04.100 I can't wait to publish those.

00:32:05.620 They were very motivated for the future.

00:32:07.200 I know a vice president of events has a lot of ideas for what's to come and a lot of ideas for future events on campus.

00:32:12.840 So I'll make sure to keep everyone informed as we go.

00:32:15.800 I'm an alumnus of the University of Calgary.

00:32:17.820 And even 30 years ago, it was more conservative than other universities.

00:32:22.400 It's Calgary.

00:32:23.360 What other universities are you working on?

00:32:25.940 Are there other places where clubs are formed yet?

00:32:29.040 And do you have more events coming up?

00:32:31.920 Yeah, I think last time we spoke, which was just two weeks ago,

00:32:34.860 I told you that we have seven, eight, nine campus clubs that are in the works.

00:32:39.200 Well, right now we're at around 12, 12, 13 across Canada.

00:32:43.400 So everything seems to be moving pretty smoothly.

00:32:46.020 We're very excited.

00:32:46.860 We have a lot of students across the country,

00:32:48.380 especially in McGill and Concordia,

00:32:50.200 two universities I just visited very recently

00:32:52.360 who want to have those conversations on campus.

00:32:54.820 We see the need for more dialogue, more debate instead of censorship and division on those campuses.

00:33:00.660 So I'm pretty sure next time we speak, I'll have even a higher number for you.

00:33:04.500 Well, that's incredible. I know a little bit about McGill and Concordia.

00:33:07.960 And, you know, of course, there are excellent students with open minds at every place.

00:33:12.640 But McGill and Concordia especially, they have a brutal Antifa side to them.

00:33:20.500 and there have actually been i would even call them riots at concordia um so i think you've got

00:33:29.220 your work cut out for you i uh i assume you're going to keep bodyguards with you all across

00:33:36.520 the country maybe even who knows more than two i i you know it costs money but it looked like

00:33:43.300 they saved the day there um when's your next event or what city is it in uh that that's still

00:33:50.580 to be determined i have we have a very exciting event coming up in just a few weeks in uh in

00:33:55.160 vancouver i don't want to reveal too much too many information too much too many details about that

00:33:58.980 yet but we've got a lot that are a lot of things that are in the works right now behind the scenes

00:34:02.860 that i just can't fully confirm yet in terms of security that's going to be one of the biggest

00:34:06.440 challenges to having those events if you look at what happened in america just even a few years

00:34:10.820 ago when Ben Shapiro or Michael Knowles or Charlie Kirk were trying to organize events on campuses

00:34:15.940 with groups like Turning Point USA or Young Americans Foundation, the universities would

00:34:21.200 easily charge them $7,000 in security fees just to be able to be on campus. So if you guys want

00:34:27.960 to see those events happen, we definitely need some of the supporters that we have to pitch in

00:34:32.720 and help us with security fees. And that's a canadianstudentsforfreespeech.ca. We'll put the

00:34:38.920 domain name on the screen um now you are of course a project affiliated with the democracy fund and

00:34:45.000 we know the democracy fund during covet took literally thousands of cases for civil liberties

00:34:51.480 so you do have that built in defense of free speech lawyers did they have to deploy here um

00:35:00.280 have you faced any blackballing from students unions or student administration or or larger

00:35:06.280 university administrations yet no not yet again to the university of calgary's credits they they

00:35:11.800 have done a very good job at defending our rights to freedom of expression on campus and the other

00:35:16.600 students rights as well we haven't had that issue yet but if it comes up i know that we've got

00:35:20.340 lawyers lawyers behind us right on well hopefully it doesn't come up but i i think i think it will

00:35:25.640 but you'll be ready great to see and uh wow what a smashing first event i wish you good luck and

00:35:31.000 let's keep in touch on this stuff that's right thank you azar all right there he is william

00:35:35.180 Diaz. He is the National Campus Coordinator for Canadian Students for Free Speech. What a great

00:35:41.360 first event. Stay with us. Your Letters to Me next. Hey there, welcome back. Your Letters to

00:35:55.740 Me about the Chinese consulate. Boy, that billboard truck did good work out there.

00:35:59.840 Christy Turner says about the attacker,

00:36:03.740 he was on public sidewalk while breaking the hate speech and terrorist activity.

00:36:08.120 He must be charged with uttering death threats.

00:36:10.740 Yeah, I don't know if police have found him yet,

00:36:12.540 but he was wearing a People's Republic of China flag.

00:36:16.740 Pretty clearly he was acting on behalf of the Chinese consulate,

00:36:20.680 whether he worked there or not.

00:36:22.700 On Danny Tomo, Steve DeSoto says,

00:36:25.360 Britain seems to be in a bit of a dire state.

00:36:27.480 why would anyone want to go there for refuge? Hey, that's a great question, but why would anyone

00:36:32.680 want to leave France? France is not dangerous. France is not in a civil war. You're not in

00:36:38.320 danger in France, but the whole definition of being a refugee is you have a well-grounded fear

00:36:43.720 of danger, of persecution, of harm. No one is getting harmed in France. The whole thing is BS

00:36:50.720 from the beginning. Lady Jade said, Henry Novak wasn't treated as he was, innocent, even though

00:36:58.320 he was. No justice for Henry. That's a young British man who was stabbed to death by a Sikh

00:37:04.820 man with a curpan. And when the police arrived, Henry Novak said he was stabbed and dying. And

00:37:11.320 the police didn't believe him. They thought he was the racist malefactor in the whole thing.

00:37:16.820 They've got a lot of troubles in the UK, and boy, are we ever rushing to catch up with them.

00:37:22.820 That's our show for the day.

00:37:24.640 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

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