00:01:18.860I've got 20 days left of my house arrest, which will be lifted on October the 6th.
00:01:24.160And following that, I'll have the curfew until January 21st.
00:01:28.640But as you very well know, these matters are all under appeal, both from I'm appealing my conviction and the Crown is appealing the acquittals and the sentence.
00:01:37.320Do you believe that the court tried to make Tamara an example to the people who would try in the future to do a little bit the same?
00:01:48.500Well, anytime you, I mean, this was an extreme situation.
00:01:53.540We had a protest that went on for three weeks and was not violent and was trying to move the government to action, which I believe is part of our fundamental freedoms of freedom of speech and freedom of peaceful assembly.
00:02:12.080Alexa Lavoie for Rebel News back in Ottawa in front of the courthouse for the latest ruling in Tamara Litch case.
00:02:23.180And today, Justice Heather Perkins McVeigh dismissed Litch's request to travel internationally while she serves her conditional sentence that includes house arrest and curfew.
00:02:35.780This punishment comes after a role as one of the organizers of the 2022 Freedom Convoy, where Canadians rose up in peaceful protests against the Liberal government's vaccine mandates at the time.
00:02:50.920You can support Tamara's fight at thetamaraproject.com because this legal battle is not over yet.
00:02:59.840More proceedings are still to come, and she continues to be represented by her lawyer, Lawrence Greenspun.
00:03:07.920You can also help share this update and see all of our reporting at the same website.
00:03:15.360But first, here is a quick recap of what the judge ruled today.
00:03:20.340Justice Perkins McVeigh found that the proposed trips, including documentary interviews, book promotion, speaking engagements, and a seminar cruise, were not sufficiently urgent, exceptional, or necessary to justify relaxing the territorial restrictions attached to Leach's sentence.
00:03:40.800The judge said many of those activities could instead take place in Canada, be postponed until the sentence is completed or be conducted virtually.
00:03:53.020The judge said many of those activities could instead take place in Canada, be postponed until the sentence is completed or be conducted virtually.
00:04:03.900She also concluded that allowing recurring international travel could undermine the punitive nature of the sentence, which includes house arrest, a curfew, and restriction on lich movement, which all need approval by a probation officer.
00:04:23.080But one particularly notable part of the ruling dealt directly with us here at Ribbon News.
00:04:31.580Justice Perkins McVeigh stated the refusal of permission is not based on viewpoint, journalistic content, or disapproval of Ribbon News.
00:04:43.140That statement is particularly interesting considering what happened during the previous hearing.
00:04:49.820At the hearing, the judge repeatedly raised the issue of Ribbon News and suggested that our coverage was making a mockery of the judicial process.
00:05:03.440A significant amount of time was also spent discussing political criticism made by Ribbon News publisher Ezra Levin on X and through Ribbon News reporting.
00:05:14.960So it raises an obvious question. If Tamara Leach worked for a completely different employer, would this application have been viewed the same way?
00:05:26.260Today, the judge explicitly said her decision was not based on Ribbon News political viewpoint or journalistic content.
00:05:34.640But I will let you draw your own conclusions.
00:05:38.020The judge nevertheless found that some of the proposed travel, including appearance, documentaries, book promotion and fundraising, was connected to Lich's public profile steaming from the Freedom Convoy, her criminal proceedings and her sentence.
00:05:57.220According to the judge, allowing recurring international travel for those activities could reduce the practical effect of Lich punishment.
00:06:08.700But there is another very important point.
00:06:12.240The judge did not find that Lich had breached any of her previous travel permissions.
00:06:18.880In fact, Justice Perkins McVeigh specifically stated that today's ruling should not be interpreted as a finding that previous permissions were improper or that LICH had failed to comply with them.
00:06:35.320And this ruling does not completely prevent LICH from travelling for work within Canada.
00:06:40.940A conditional sentence supervisor still has the authority to approve interprovincial travel on a case-by-case basis.
00:06:49.440The judge also left the door open to another application for international travel,
00:06:55.300but only in what she described as genuinely exceptional, specific, and time-limited circumstances.
00:07:03.580For now, though, the application has been dismissed and Litch's existing conditional sentence remains fully in effect.
00:07:13.520Following the decision, I spoke with Tamara Litch's lawyer, Lawrence Greenspan, about what today's ruling means going forward.
00:07:23.140Her Honour, in very considered and lengthy reasons, basically said, look, there is going to continue to be a need for inter-provincial travel.
00:07:36.640There's been no issues with it so far, except the supervisor was looking for some guidance from the court.
00:07:44.380And that inter-provincial travel should be able to continue, according to this judge.
00:07:50.500And when it comes to international travel, that's really a different story.
00:07:57.280I think the court made it clear that international travel is to be very specific, very employment-oriented,
00:08:07.540and certain conditions would have to be satisfied in order to have international travel approved.
00:08:14.580And that's because there's a real difficulty in enforceability.
00:08:18.400If there's any breach of international travel permission, it's going to be very difficult for the authorities to try and enforce the conditions of the order.
00:08:31.160I asked Mr. Greenspan whether he has concerns about Lich's ability to travel between provinces in the future.
00:08:40.360During previous hearings, we heard that a conditional sentence supervisor may have become more hesitant to approve these kinds of trips following the media backlash surrounding Lich attendance at the U.S. Ambassadors' July 4th celebration in Ottawa.
00:09:00.300So could that controversy now make it more difficult for her to receive permissions to travel for legitimate work within Canada?
00:09:08.660If there was international travel plan proposed that travel couldn't, that the work couldn't take place but for international travel, then the judge is basically saying, look, we'll consider it on a case by case basis.
00:09:28.860So her honour didn't close the door to that.
00:09:33.820And I mean, I don't think that you're going to see the seminar crews being approved
00:09:42.360either by the supervisor or by this court.
00:09:46.600But where international travel is set out in detail and is required for purposes of employment,
00:09:54.880I think the judge is open to approval of that.
00:09:58.480I also asked Greenspan about Reben News, considering that the judge raised on multiple occasions during the previous hearing concerns that Reben News was making a mockery of the judicial process.
00:10:13.140I asked whether he believes that scrutiny could have played any role in the final decision.
00:10:20.500Well, the judge addressed that specifically and said, look, people have the right, as we do, as Rebel News does, as anybody does.
00:10:30.420They have the right to be critical of the court.
00:10:33.100And the nature of the comments that were made by Mr. Levant, I'm confident that did not play into the judge's decision.
00:10:46.980because ultimately she said those comments don't really matter.
00:10:51.480What matters is that the sentence is punitive, is that it's regulated,
00:10:58.180that its specific exceptions have to be made, that they be made, they be authorized in advance.
00:11:05.800Although it was, I think, a very difficult thing for the judge to do,
00:11:11.280to hear that criticism and then be asked to permit travel, to authorize travel for work purposes,
00:11:19.860although it's a difficult thing for the judge to have done,
00:11:23.900I think she very explicitly said, look, that's not why I'm saying what I'm saying.
00:11:28.920And then I asked him a broader question as a lawyer with decades of experience.
00:11:35.180Has he ever seen this kind of lengthy legal process for a non-violent mischief conviction?
00:11:43.900And does he believe the justice system is trying to make an example out of Tamara Leach?
00:11:51.260I mean, we have to remember this was a mischief charge in which there was no violence.
00:11:58.380People complain about the horns in the downtown area.
00:12:02.740Those were dealt with by way of an injunction after seven days.1.00
00:12:07.480And Tamara Leach did nothing to encourage any violence.1.00
00:12:12.200On the contrary, her messages were constantly, we want a peaceful, lawful protest.
00:12:17.060And if you see anything that's otherwise, let us know or contact the police.
00:12:23.100So her messaging was always peaceful, always nonviolent.
00:12:26.920and that issue will be the centerpiece of our argument in the Court of Appeal.
00:12:35.160I don't think there's that kind of a conspiracy underlying all of this.
00:12:44.580I think the fact that Tamara's very public persona
00:12:48.800makes a challenge to the usual person who's under a conditional sentence or a house arrest.
00:12:59.520Who she is and what she's become and the movement that she's been very much a leader of
00:13:06.240are factors that really can't be measured.
00:13:11.200would would uh somebody else not of similar persona have uh been authorized to travel
00:13:20.680internationally for work purposes probably but uh you know this this is this is who she is and
00:13:28.740this is what the freedom convoy was all about right anytime you i mean this is this was an
00:13:34.720extreme situation you had a protest that went on for three weeks and was not
00:13:41.920violent and was trying to move the government to action which I believe is
00:13:49.780part of our fundamental freedoms of freedom of speech and freedom of
00:13:53.620peaceful assembly and did it have an impact on people in the downtown core
00:13:58.940Absolutely. But the right to enjoyment of property is not on an equal footing with fundamental freedoms of association and speech.
00:14:09.940Finally, I asked him the question everyone following this case wants answered.
00:14:16.120What happens next in Tamar Lich's legal battle?
00:14:20.300We're putting together the documents to argue in the Court of Appeal, which appeal I expect will be heard sometime in early 2027.
00:14:30.180Well, that was a clip from our friend Alexa Lavoie.
00:14:33.640She was in Ottawa today when the judge who has presided over the longest mischief trial in Canadian history also presided over what I think has got to be one of the longest sentence variation hearings in Canadian history.
00:14:51.400In other words, Tamera Leach went before the court and said, hey, can I get a slight modification on my house arrest so that I can do business with Rebel News in the States?
00:15:00.960As you may know, Tamera Leach has been invited on a number of U.S. shows, including Glenn Beck,
00:15:07.680and actually there's some other popular talk shows.
00:15:10.260Plus, every year, as you know, Rebel News has a fundraising seminar cruise.
00:15:14.900Well, the judge, in what would normally be a 15-minute hearing on the matter, stretched it out for months.
00:15:53.380Likewise. Thanks for having me on, Ezra.
00:15:54.900You know, it's a pleasure. And part of me feels good that there was no further restrictions put on you by this judge.
00:16:03.140But it's also frustrating that the judge was not willing to extend the ability for you to work in the United States.
00:16:11.000I noticed that your co-defendant, Chris Barber, is a trucker who runs into the U.S. every week.
00:16:20.080And I certainly don't want his liberties to be taken away. He's got to earn a living.
00:16:23.820He's a long distance trucker. That means driving into the States. It's just odd to me that as your co-defendant, he has more liberties than you do.
00:16:31.460I want you both to have the liberties. Yeah. And I find that a bit surprising, too.
00:16:36.820And if you remember at the hearing, she wouldn't she wouldn't even have any anything to do with that.
00:16:41.740She said there was no evidence before her that Chris was traveling back and forth successfully to the United States.
00:16:47.600However, she was the one that wrote it into his order.
00:20:16.120She did allude to some of the comments that you've made and said basically that, you know, that was your right to do so as a journalist and just as a private citizen, even to criticize the system.
00:20:27.320But, you know, she did make a point to list all of the things that you criticized in your tweets and reporting today.
00:20:34.100She thought a lot about it. I think she's pretending she wasn't bothered by it because I wrote 100 tweets about her.
00:20:40.240She listed all the mean things I said. It sounds like it bothered her more than she'd like to let on.
00:20:46.680I think I think maybe it got under her skin a little bit. Yes.
00:20:49.880Well, I hope I didn't redound to your discredit. I don't think so.
00:20:55.420Like, I mean, the result that she gave is sort of predictable.
00:20:58.600And she has given you that possibility to apply to to go to special events.
00:21:04.100I think that that judge has never heard a criticism in her life
00:21:07.720because she's surrounded by yes men.0.54
00:21:10.460And I've seen how she's run that trial.
00:21:12.660And I'll repeat what I said before.1.00
00:21:14.200She ran that trial in a sloppy way.1.00
00:21:17.500And I think that the process became the punishment.
00:21:21.560And absolutely, I believe you're a political prisoner.
00:21:30.920yes yeah she and she uh she got a little prickly uh after that i remember yes well listen you're
00:21:39.180almost done in in fact just a number of weeks to go and the house arrest part is over you do
00:21:44.380you'll still have a curfew but you won't have to get permission just to do every little thing uh
00:21:50.240you know when you go shopping or go to get groceries and listen we're we're interested in
00:21:56.440And maintaining our friendship, our relationship with you, in fact, as a symbol, as you know, Rebel News, I own Rebel News, I created it, but we have a board of directors that is a symbol of who I think best represents Rebel News.
00:22:15.260So, for example, Sheila Gunn-Reed, our chief reporter, is on the board of directors, Efron Monsanto, our outstanding video boss.
00:22:24.000And so I want to play for our viewers an interview that you and I recorded a couple of weeks ago at your place in Medicine Hat, and we held it.
00:22:32.760We did not publish this video because we didn't want to upset the judge and her sensitive feelings.
00:22:38.200so i'd like to throw to a video that you and i recorded a couple weeks ago
00:22:42.160where i invited you just in a symbolic manner to be a director of rebel news because when i think
00:22:51.260of what you stand for freedom activism being peaceful but prickling at the system i think
00:23:01.240you are an outstanding role model and I think you're what Rebel News wants to be. I mean just
00:23:08.160like I admire Sheila Gunn-Reed and Efron Monsanto, I really believe that you are a symbol of who we
00:23:16.140think we are and who we want to be and I was delighted that you accepted that invitation.
00:23:20.760So without further ado, let me congratulate you on holding the line in court today and let's play
00:23:27.200the video of you and me chatting a couple weeks ago and we held this because we didn't want to
00:23:31.080bother the judge here take a look it's great to be here at your home i've never i've visited you
00:23:37.740in your home before well i welcome to my cell welcome to my cell this is where i've just spent
00:23:43.140the last 11 months uh under house arrest is in in this home you know that changes how it looks like
00:23:50.360it looks lovely you've got great are those vegetables or are those just plants or sunflowers
00:24:21.580And you can hear a lawnmower in the backyard and just life.
00:24:25.920but it changes immediately when the state says if you are not there when we make spot checks
00:24:33.840you're going back to prison any moves outside your house must be reported to authorities
00:24:39.500and get permission and suddenly a lovely backyard becomes a cell it is yeah that's exactly what it
00:24:48.660is it is a cell what is a prison other than a psychology of what you can and can't do that's
00:24:54.040right it's like a gilded cage like it's lovely here and it's wonderful that you have your
00:24:57.960grandkids with you but you can't leave no no i can't leave and and so it has been obviously
00:25:04.160very bittersweet because i do have to get permission anytime i want to leave my home
00:25:08.240even if it's to go volunteer at the food bank i can't leave without it um in many ways i feel
00:25:13.800very blessed i mean there's definitely worse places that i could have been but i mean let's
00:25:17.740face it, um, you know, after how, how hard that they've come after me, um, locking me up in my
00:25:24.340home, uh, when we have all these other massive crimes that are happening all across the country,
00:25:30.240you know, hardened criminals are getting let out on bail. Remember I was denied bail twice
00:25:35.260throughout this whole thing. You did, what was it? 49 days in jail before you even had a trial.
00:25:40.720Right. Exactly. Yeah. I live in Toronto and there was a series of gunfire attacks on the U.S. consulate and they caught a couple of people and charged them.
00:25:54.640They haven't been convicted yet. But one of the alleged shooters, Zahra Jabi, if I'm saying his name right, teenager, 19, and he was out on bail.
00:26:05.000there was another related terrorist style shooting when police raided the apartment
00:26:12.900a cop was murdered so these are hardened criminals using firearms in my layman's view if you shoot a
00:26:20.840political target like the consulate that is a kind of political terrorism they're out on bail
00:26:27.560you had 49 days in the clink and and now you can't leave this backyard without permission
00:27:31.660So my best guesstimate would be that the prosecution, Ontario taxpayers, have footed over about $50 million for this trial.
00:27:40.840And you're correct to point out it's Ontario taxpayers because the prosecutors are provincial prosecutors working for Doug Ford and his attorney general.
00:27:48.980You can't blame this one on Trudeau or Carney.
00:33:41.740And you've continued as a volunteer with a smile.
00:33:45.620And I happen to know that you managed to get a $25,000 donation from a great medicine hat born lad who's, I don't know if he wants to remain private, but you not only didn't look at that as through a negative light, you loved it enough that you continued to help there.
00:34:02.320And holy smokes, a 25 grand donation to the food bank, it's probably the biggest donation they've seen in a long time.
00:34:26.080And actually, one of the first reports that I did for Rebel News was about the increase in food banks across Canada and in Alberta.
00:34:32.220And I mean, the amount of people that are coming through those doors now is really indicative of, you know, the shambles that is our economy right now.
00:37:20.080And this is why I wanted to come and talk to you in your own turf is, as you know, I own Rebel News and I founded it 11 years ago, but we have a board of directors and I don't talk about it much in part because as the owner of the company, I make the decisions.
00:37:36.720but our board they that's a legal position it's it's rather symbolic because i am the owner
00:37:42.920but it's it's where we put people who in my view embody the best of rebel news the people i most
00:37:52.280want to be associated with and who i believe are the best public face for the company so
00:37:59.580our chief reporter Sheila Gunn-Reed obviously our head of video Efron Monsanto what a good guy0.99
00:38:07.620and I thought to myself Tamara Leach is a rebel in every way every measurable way and she has
00:38:19.540suffered for us and as a symbol and as a statement of our commitment to you
00:38:28.820i invited you to join our board and and i was delighted that you agreed to
00:38:34.700you are part of our family you are part of our inner circle and i hope that even once
00:38:45.220your house arrest ends and your curfew ends. I hope that you'll continue to do things with us.
00:38:52.420I mean, you may have other big plans as well, but I hope that being a rebel will always be
00:38:57.340part of it because we want to help you be you. Absolutely. Well, I am happy to extend this
00:39:04.800relationship as long as we can. It's been a real honor for me, Ezra. And I know I've told you many
00:39:09.080times that, you know, I was a fan long before I was a friend. And one of the things that I've
00:39:14.220always appreciated about Rebel News was that you don't take any government handouts. So you are
00:39:18.120free to go out and tell the other side of the story, which is your mantra, right? To tell the
00:39:24.040other side of the story. You're not being held back by government subsidies like so many of these
00:39:29.100other organizations are. And especially since they announced the media subsidies, we've seen the
00:39:34.880media go right downhill. But you guys are, well, we are, I guess. We're rising. We're like the
00:39:42.000cream that's rising to the top right now. I think independent media is the future, and I'm just so
00:39:48.060honored to be a part of this organization and the people that are in it. Well, we love working with
00:39:53.780you, and you have one more month of house arrest, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, then you still
00:40:02.200have a curfew. You have to be here from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m., but during the day you have a little
00:40:06.980more liberty. You don't have to check every single trip, as long as you're back by 10 and until
00:40:11.980five, but that is still a limit on your travel outside the city, isn't it? It is. So, uh, what,
00:40:18.140the only thing that it's really going to change once we go to curfew is that, um, I'll be allowed
00:40:22.560to leave my home from 5 a.m. until 10 p.m. And, but to leave the jurisdiction, which would be the
00:40:28.560province, um, I still have to get permission. Um, or if I'm not going to be back in my residence by
00:40:33.94010 p.m., I need to have permission to be wherever I'm going to be. So really that means Mendocin
00:40:38.280southern Alberta maybe a day trip to Calgary as long as you leave Calgary by
00:40:43.200suppertime because you got to be back at 10 and I the more I learn you've told me
00:40:48.800some things today they are watching you like a hawk they are obsessed with you
00:40:55.460I mean we know that because they trumped up an arrest of you when you had a
00:40:59.040picture like just a selfie with your lawyer very important point and other
00:41:04.500defendants they sent police to your house to arrest you fly you back to jail outrageous in
00:41:10.340every instance they're watching you more than i'll tell you one thing more than they're watching that
00:41:15.380young man who was charged with the terror attack on the consulate there they regard you as public
00:41:21.360enemy number one because they find your presence and your success embarrassing they actually don't
00:41:25.980even care about these terrorist attacks every week in toronto there's another shooting of a
00:41:29.740synagogue the police don't give a damn but boy they're focused on you well it was really interesting
00:41:34.320going back to the 4th of July visit that we had. So about three weeks ago now, or four weeks ago,
00:41:39.380I had a knock at the door and it was the Medicine Hat Police Service. Now, if you recall, also in
00:41:45.760the meantime, a death threat had been sent into Rebel News, targeting myself and a court appearance
00:41:51.020in July. So anyways, the police officer, a really nice young man, shows up at the door to tell me
00:41:57.940that they've received a complaint that I was seen outside of my residence between the 1st of July
00:42:02.360and the 4th of July um I cannot tell you the trouble that the lawyers went through and myself
00:42:10.500just to try to get them to file a report about the death threat received against me right so you're
00:42:17.000going to an event approved in advance by every official required that they'll send a cop to
00:42:24.200check on right but a real death that we get lots of mean comments that's not a threat a threat isn't
00:42:31.040like i hate you that's not a threat a threat is a credible imminent actionable call to harm
00:42:39.520and we ran that by your lawyer lawrence who who knows his stuff he called the police chief in0.65
00:42:45.620ottawa and we were we were really dealing that but it's madness in the world that you finish
00:42:53.220the thought because i think we're on the same way i mean i think it's just like it's um shocking
00:42:59.420that they wouldn't, you know, they fought taking a complaint of a death threat against me. But yet,
00:43:04.740you know, somebody phones them and says, oh, Tamara wasn't in her house on this day. And they
00:43:08.180show up to, you know. So, of course, I had to produce my letter. And again, I just want to say
00:43:13.100that he was very great. The officer that came here was really very great and very supportive.
00:43:17.680But still, you know, he even acknowledged that this is ridiculous himself.0.92
00:43:22.580Well, let me continue with the ridiculousness theme. So it is the 9th of September. It's a0.56
00:43:29.400wednesday and we are not going to air this for another week or so and the reason for that
00:43:36.340is because the judge who is right now considering your request for a bail it's a sentencing
00:43:43.600variation that would allow you to continue to travel within canada and possibly abroad the
00:43:49.240judge who is the same judge from the trial the worst run trial in canadian history sloppy slow
00:43:57.220allowing in improper testimony from people who had never met you heard heard of you listened to
00:44:04.560you encountered you have a day on the stand to read to give your heartfelt thought like just
00:44:10.280the talk about your hurt feelings the trial was a circus it was sloppy and i'm sorry when you're
00:44:18.200the judge part of your duties is to run the court and those assets given to you for management by
00:44:24.700the public to run it in a business like fanner manner uh that if there's someone on the stand
00:44:31.020yappa yappa yappa my feelings were hurt for eight hours of testimony it's your job as a judge to say
00:44:37.060there's nothing relevant here come to the point and when and if that doesn't happen to dismiss
00:44:42.060the witness rather than to allow the whole thing to be hijacked by political ranters and this went
00:44:49.240on for weeks and all the resources and this there are trials there are criminal cases being thrown
00:44:56.840out because they're not prosecuted in a quick enough manner because of all the not just the
00:45:03.020prosecutorial resources but this judge this courtroom this judge instead of having five trials
00:45:09.020had one trial and when and when when this was raised my my comments to this effect
00:45:16.400were raised by the by the prosecutors by doug ford's prosecutors the judge was shocked
00:45:24.780that anyone would criticize her highness and and she really leaned into i hate rebel news she didn't0.76
00:45:33.860use those words but she was appalled by rebel news and doug ford's three prosecutors three
00:45:39.260they brought a special one in for you yeah that's right and they were saying and and they're selling
00:45:43.380t-shirts with tamara's likeness on them and is it true mr levant that you disagree with her
00:45:49.280conviction yes of course is it true mr levant that you think she's a political prisoner yeah
00:45:55.360that's my political view that's my journalistic view what does that got to do with tamara's
00:46:00.300sentence like like like who am i i'm her employer that's you want to check if she's really employed
00:46:05.780you can ask me that instead they put my comments on the on the trial itself in the evidence and
00:46:11.980And the judge took the bait because because no one in her courtroom is allowed to say, you're running a sloppy show here, your honor.
00:46:19.260So we we're not going to publish this video till after because because if the judge saw this conversation, it would be like those cartoon characters smoke coming out of her ears.
00:46:29.200And she'd probably throw you in prison for life.0.99
00:46:35.980she was obviously very offended by some of the comments that you made while you were practicing
00:46:42.540your job as a journalist and critiquing. And you were absolutely right. We're in the middle of a
00:46:48.480variation order, just trying to have a bail condition change. And it's taken, it'll be three
00:46:53.440hearings spread out over three months, July, August, September, in what would normally take
00:46:59.16015 minutes yeah this judge who chafed at me calling out her courtroom management0.62
00:47:05.160she delayed it because that's her style but that also kept you trapped for three months1.00
00:47:13.680while she figured out i've been to bail hearings before they're lickety split quick
00:47:18.280she already knew all the facts the only news was that rebel news needs you to travel because you
00:47:22.140have opportunities in america she turned it into a whole odyssey and and and that was on my mind
00:47:28.760Because I think this judge is very politically minded.
00:47:32.700I think she wants to be appointed to the Supreme Court of Canada.
00:47:35.140So I think she is tailoring things to impress the powers that be, to show the establishment that she's a good girl and is going to follow along with the media mob.
00:47:44.740The same people who stomped their feet because you were at the ambassador's house would be outraged if she didn't take into account the politics here.
00:47:55.060I'm worried about what she's going to do in the sentence variation.
00:47:57.900but like you say we're almost through it yes next week i think is the the september the 17th
00:48:04.360will be the court date where she will be rendering her decision so we're going to hold this video
00:48:08.300till after that and i'm ranting a bit here you know why because i'm a private citizen i'm not
00:48:12.680i'm just me and i have my freedom of speech and she wants to hang you because she doesn't like
00:48:18.380my journalism and i'm worried she's going to try and reverse engineer that find some way to do that
00:48:23.000i don't like this judge i don't like her trial i'm allowed to say that and that is irrelevant
00:48:27.420to whether or not you have your freedom it is and i guess you know one of the most concerning
00:48:32.040things for me about this whole process is that the rule of law seems to have been thrown out
00:48:36.800um as i was saying to you before we started the interview um i mean my lawyer is still
00:48:41.720shocked that gobsmacked that i was even convicted um because there's no evidence there is absolutely
00:48:49.580no evidence that was presented at trial that that showed me committing an act of mischief no one
00:48:54.140No one even had a first-hand report of dealing with you.
00:48:57.120Even the witnesses, as you were saying, that they brought in, all the civilian witnesses that they brought in to talk to us that are to testify against us at trial had never even had a conversation with Chris and I.
00:49:08.560And I believe five of the seven of them are actually named on the $290 million lawsuit against us.
00:49:14.220So how, in a normal court, would their testimony have ever even been approved?