00:06:14.820You know, the computer programs that decide which videos YouTube recommends to you, what shows up in your feed on Instagram, and what gets buried.
00:06:24.080The document is still on the government's website.
00:07:56.860The principles said all the signatories would publish their, quote, specific commitments by December 2022. Concrete actions. What Google would actually do, what the government would actually do. Go look at the page today, November 2026, Annex A. Specific comments to be determined. Four years later.
00:08:17.540They never told us what they actually agreed to do.
00:08:41.920Guidelines for every government on earth.
00:08:43.580every country should have a regulator for online platforms this is the un speaking of course they
00:08:49.980think this way content moderation algorithm oversight special powers during elections but
00:08:57.080of course the head of unesco audrey azulet said it plainly quote we must regulate these platforms
00:09:05.900without delay who the hell is she the world heritage sites people i thought they were about
00:09:13.120protecting the pyramids now they're in the business of telling governments how to police
00:09:17.760your facebook feed and canada canada is all in with this last november at the un climate change
00:09:25.160conference in brazil like literally what's that got to do with it carney's environment minister
00:09:29.660signed canada onto a unesco declaration on quote information integrity on climate change unquote
00:09:37.780That means you're not allowed to be a climate denier.
00:09:41.660Canada promised to work with the tech companies on how their platforms spread, quote, climate disinformation.
00:09:48.560Well, who decides what climate disinformation is?
00:09:52.040Well, Stephen Gilboa's friends, I'd guess.
00:09:54.600This February, Carney's Heritage Minister, Mark Miller, flew to Paris and gave UNESCO $300,000 of your money to work on, quote, the digital environment.
00:10:06.880You thought that the environment meant, like, plants and water and air?
00:10:11.740No, no, they're just tacking it on to anything to get censorship going.
00:10:16.220Canada voted to start writing a new legal protocol, a binding add-on to that same 2005 treaty to extend it to the Internet.
00:10:25.960And back home, you'll remember I told you in April that Carney was taking a third run at Trudeau's Internet censorship law.
00:10:32.220He even brought back Gilboa's old expert panel to write it.
00:10:35.820One of the members, by the way, is literally a UNESCO chair.
00:13:48.040because I'm standing on the sidewalk in my city.
00:13:52.340i'm a jew who lives in this neighborhood and i'm being arrested because the police
00:13:58.580say that's the path of least resistance well those protests have been going on for
00:14:05.440years but it looks like they're going to wrap it up which is quite a surprise i don't didn't think
00:14:12.580they were ever done agitating joining us now is a reporter who's probably covered street protests
00:14:17.700more thoroughly than anyone else in the country. Her name is Karima Saad, and she runs Protest
00:14:23.140Mania, which is the website where she compiles her interesting journeys. She joins us now.
00:14:28.480Karima, great to see you. Thanks for having me. Well, it's a pleasure. And I just want to note
00:14:32.980before we jump into the news, you threw your hat in the ring for Toronto's recent city election.
00:14:38.440You didn't come in first. It's a very competitive race. But how was the experience? Tell us what
00:14:43.100you thought about running to be a civic leader in toronto what was a very competitive race uh out
00:14:50.900of 18 candidates i placed sixth which you know it's nothing to sneeze at um and you know if i
00:14:57.240go again hopefully we'll do better next time um the experience itself was i don't know i
00:15:03.960I had a good time doing it, but, you know, it also exposed to me some of the what I suspected already about electoral politics and just kind of the lack of authenticity within kind of that framework really was laid bare when you're actually a candidate and kind of going through those processes.
00:17:35.520And at protests, the role that they seem to occupy
00:17:41.480is one of agitation and using their flag to block people
00:17:46.480flag, to block people who they perceive as adversaries, taunting police, that sort of
00:17:52.640thing. In June of this year, Diana was arrested at the walk with Israel and had conditions
00:18:00.540that kind of followed that, release conditions, including not to be within 500 metres of Bathurst
00:18:09.060and shepherd and as you can see um on sunday not only was diana at the intersection but
00:18:18.140actively participating in a protest not the first time since june 7th by the way since the walk with
00:18:25.580israel so diana has shown up there more than once this is the first time that we've seen enforcement
00:18:32.260action um and was arrested and uh didn't go gently into that good night um made various
00:18:40.100allegations of police brutality um and was overall really resisting i would say um although not
00:18:48.660charged with resisting arrest in this particular case um you can even hear one of the officers
00:18:54.260just sort of like what are you doing stop this why are you making it so hard um and you know
00:19:01.820uh and everything else that we saw yeah now i i think i've misgendered this person i'm not even
00:19:09.160going to try and untangle the threads there but uh um i i think that is it fair to say
00:19:15.120transgenderism is part of the political basket of beliefs that person uh is fighting for
00:19:20.780oh most definitely um and um diana bosco has been very public about their own uh
00:19:28.860process uh i suppose or or um for example going to thailand for gender reassignment surgery there's
00:19:38.920a video blog that's available on youtube that kind of takes the experience and parses it out
00:19:45.140and has been featured in mainstream coverage as well for trying to change their sex identifier
00:19:55.240on a license i believe and things of that nature um so yeah they're they're pretty openly trans
00:20:01.160um which in bail court actually made for an interesting moment um they were in the room with
00:20:09.200female detainees um right so you know the stream of bail hearings it was all um women accused um
00:20:19.380and Diana Bosco, and they appeared in a hooded sweatshirt that said Gaza, wearing the hood.
00:20:28.560And when the JP, the Justice of the Peace, asked them to remove the hood, there was an initial refusal because apparently police seized the gender affirming headband, which, you know, normally they wear.
00:20:46.340Um, ultimately the hood did come off. Um, I think after a quick conversation with defense council, um, but that is absolutely part and parcel, um, of, of this individual's political beliefs. Um, and I think it speaks to, um, sort of what's baked into the larger movement as well.
00:21:06.920you know i used to spend more time in protests 15 years ago or at least different kinds of
00:21:14.040protests i go to protests fairly often now too i guess but 15 years ago transgenderism
00:21:18.540wasn't really the wave i you really almost never encountered it and i i would go to protests and
00:21:26.240they really the the antifa and the marxist style were they didn't feel as acute as they do now
00:21:34.380but even back then when i would go to protests against mining protests against oil and gas
00:21:41.020like they were they were more you know economic type protests um i don't know if you remember
00:21:46.360um there was uh the the protests against wall street and the one percenters and occupy wall
00:21:53.340street they had a bit of an echo in toronto even though our banks didn't fail during the the
00:21:58.280financial crisis here's my point i noticed back then because i would i would do the protest circuit
00:22:03.860sort of like you're doing now and i would recognize the same people here and there and just like you
00:22:07.960do now and i would quickly see that there was the high ups who were like the air traffic control or
00:22:13.640the quarterbacks or the orchestra conductors and they would never get arrested they would never do
00:22:18.160foolish things they would never fight with cops they would never get right in the thick of it
00:22:21.160but then there were people who were sometimes emotionally damaged sometimes mentally ill0.99
00:22:25.800sometimes homeless or almost homeless and they were like the cannon fodder of the movement i
00:22:31.420remember in Hamilton, there was a, I hate to say it, a polycule. And I remember getting to know
00:22:38.060each one of them at these protests. One of them, Trish Mills was her name. She had a blog about her
00:22:44.600own mental illness challenges. And I'm not saying that to embarrass her in any way. I'm just saying
00:22:48.800she was vulnerable. And I felt like these protesters turned her into like a battering
00:22:55.980ram. She was the one who always got arrested. She was the one who always pushed police to the
00:23:01.320delighted the organizers. And, and I'm not exculpating Diana Bosco for whatever she did
00:23:07.500there at Bathurst and Shepherd. I'm saying that maybe people who have a lot of chaos in their
00:23:15.020own life are a little bit vulnerable to be turned into human weapons for big shot organizers that
00:23:21.100are not on the scene. That's what I'm saying. What do you think? Well, I think that's a very
00:23:25.820fair observation um some of the middle managers to like what i've seen have been surprisingly
00:23:33.120hands-on um you know which their role doesn't really call for and yet they themselves will
00:23:40.820end up arrested um but by and large the majority of arrests that we see um are exactly as you
00:23:48.020described people who are emotionally volatile um maybe suffering from mental illness um or
00:23:56.300otherwise precariously positioned um either for poverty reasons or disability or you know really
00:24:04.220seeking the approval of this community um and put themselves in positions where they end up
00:24:12.820facing the consequences um of course consequences is kind of what does that even mean when the
00:24:21.600outcome for diana bosco's bail hearing was identical conditions to the ones that had already
00:24:28.820been breached or allegedly breached um plus you know a thousand dollar promise to pay um so still
00:24:35.920no surety, no additional restrictions. And the Crown didn't even contest the bail hearing. And,
00:24:44.560you know, so what that means is the Crown preemptively agreed, this is what we're going
00:24:49.480to do. And that's not a bad thing. I practice criminal defence law, that's actually not an
00:24:54.220uncommon thing to have happen. And we do want Crowns to exercise their discretion in a sensible
00:25:01.480way so that we're not wasting judicial resources there's a very strong presumption of innocence
00:25:06.960and you know we don't want people to be in jail if there are other alternatives that's what the
00:25:15.920supreme court has said it's a last resort and yet the way that this particular proceeding unfolded
00:25:24.300It really just makes me question kind of what even when police are enforcing the law.
00:25:33.720And as I've already said, this isn't Diana's first reappearance at Bathurst and Shepherd since initially being arrested back in June, nor I would suggest the only condition that appears to have been breached.
00:25:46.820But even when police do that legwork, you know, there's other parts of the justice system, including crown prosecutors and their use of discretion that really, you know, at least in the comment section, I would say are not bolstering anyone's confidence in the administration of justice.
00:26:06.900Yeah. You know, I mean, we have the phrase revolving door justice. Here's someone who literally was arrested again, put up a fight, as we saw, and was released with identical rules governing her as before she did that. So the whole thing would, you know, you could call it a freebie.
00:26:23.180And I'm not saying that she's innocent as a driven snow.
00:26:27.820I'm just saying there's a lady that we both have dealt with in Ottawa, Deanna Sharif, if I'm remembering her name correctly.
00:26:36.580And she's accosted me on the streets with her child in tow.
00:26:40.600And my real reaction is, what are you doing treating your kids like that, bringing your kid to shouting?1.00
00:26:47.300like and so i'm mad at her for being abusive but i also think holy smokes uh they they someone
00:26:55.720has turned this woman into a bullet and and it's sort of like you know there can be someone who's
00:27:02.660buying drugs for themselves or a low-level dealer but out of the can out of out of the frame is some
00:27:10.460higher level operator i mean who is the person who allegedly shot the u.s consulate it wasn't
00:27:17.120It was someone who's paid $10,000 to pull a trigger.
00:27:20.480That's who it was, just some gang member.
00:28:37.100And I can imagine how it feels to lose your ability, to lose your meaning, to lose your place. And I can imagine that some people would say, well, I don't want to be a burden. But I think that ignores the fact that people love you and that they want to express that. And they could, if they would, if they could.
00:28:57.560And I think that as a society, we don't want to make it easy to commit suicide. We want to do the opposite action. We want to fill the void, the loneliness and the hopelessness with hope and with love.
00:29:11.700I'm not saying that there's no argument for people who are just tired of it.
00:29:17.460But what we saw with that interview yesterday with that lawyer from Alberta is that in a lot of cases,
00:29:24.160it's just people who are having a momentary health problem.
00:29:27.700And instead of being given health care, they're being treated as an expendable because they're costly,