Rebel News Podcast - I came across the most unusual Canadian YouTube channel...

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I have a very special show for you today. I've discovered, I'm not going to call

00:00:05.980 him a political guru, but I might use that word guru. I had never really heard of him before.

00:00:11.040 I'd never seen him before. He was poked fun at by the mainstream media, so I checked him out. And I

00:00:16.480 have to say, I watched his videos today and I just kept finding myself agreeing and agreeing and

00:00:21.660 agreeing. You're not going to believe who it was, so stay tuned and I'll take you through it.

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00:01:21.000 Tonight, I came across the most unusual Canadian YouTube video. I want to share with you. It's

00:01:35.500 May 26th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:40.100 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:43.560 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:47.620 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my

00:01:52.240 bloody right to do so.

00:01:53.500 I love YouTube. They hate me. They hate rebel news. They probably hate you. They're treating

00:02:02.700 us unfairly. They've taken away our ability to sell ads or get YouTube super chat donations.

00:02:07.920 They've throttled our viewership. They've treated us like pariahs. But I still love the concept of

00:02:12.900 YouTube where anyone can just make a video. That was landmark when it happened. YouTube used to be a

00:02:19.680 very free place. Now it's a very woke place. They have huge and intricate lists of things you can't

00:02:25.500 say. They literally spell out dozens and dozens of things you can't talk about on YouTube. It's like

00:02:30.960 wearing a Donald Trump MAGA hat in a women's studies course at Ryerson University or something like

00:02:37.460 that. It's just absolutely awful for anyone who isn't an insane person on the left. I wouldn't be 0.95

00:02:42.520 surprised if YouTube just kills us this summer, just to get us out of the way before Justin Trudeau

00:02:46.700 calls an election. The you in YouTube is what made it special. It used to mean you can say whatever

00:02:53.000 you want. It's your channel, your ideas. It was a simple and powerful name. It was the place for

00:02:59.320 people to talk back. Well, that's a little bit too chaotic for authoritarians these days, isn't it?

00:03:04.860 So now the you in YouTube stands for you will obey. It's sad, but I still like finding interesting

00:03:10.680 things on it. There's a reason it's the second largest search engine in the world after Google,

00:03:15.460 which, by the way, owns YouTube. And I came across a video channel today, Canadian. I actually read

00:03:22.580 about it in a newspaper article that I'll mention in a moment, but I clicked and I saw this video.

00:03:28.560 I'll just show part of the first one and I'll show all the second one. This first video, it's a fellow

00:03:33.780 and I think his wife, and it's from just over a year ago, March 26th, 2020. So less than two weeks

00:03:39.960 into the pandemic lockdown, the lockdowns were really, really new. People were still thinking

00:03:45.500 of them as a sort of short mandatory vacation, almost an adventure that the whole country was

00:03:51.800 having together, like a moment of national solidarity. I do think it felt that way for a

00:03:57.660 brief moment, the excitement of a crisis without the real danger, without the side effects of the

00:04:03.440 lockdown immediately apparent. So watch a bit of that video. Here's two minutes.

00:04:07.300 Hello from day 13.

00:04:11.660 Wow, lucky number 13. Just all kind of blending together. You still have braid in your beard.

00:04:17.720 I know.

00:04:18.200 I was braiding his beard earlier.

00:04:20.080 This is what happens when you're spending a lot of time together chit-chatting in bed.

00:04:24.900 Working on a braid. Keep the braid, ditch the braid. Thumbs up, thumbs down in the video.

00:04:31.920 Let us know.

00:04:34.340 We were just talking about how it's actually quite nice to have less distractions and to

00:04:42.360 not be traveling all the time, especially with our lives, having lives between two countries,

00:04:48.000 the east coast of Canada and the west coast of the States. It's been a lot of travel. So

00:04:53.980 it's nice to have these two weeks. It's like, ah, we're not going anywhere. We get to be doing

00:04:59.240 the home. Yeah. It feels like, ah, it's nice actually. It feels like, you know, what a

00:05:05.040 normal life should be like. Yeah. This really isn't normal. Yeah. But it's like what's really

00:05:13.100 the average family experience is. Like they live in the same house together and their kids

00:05:17.180 are there and they're not leaving every week. Yeah. To go across the country. Yeah. Anyways.

00:05:23.420 Um, so Bowen did his first virtual karate class today and it was awesome. Like we didn't

00:05:31.380 have to get in the car and drive, you know, 15 minutes away. We had to do it from the comfort

00:05:36.000 of our own home. It was sweet. Karate school is doing a good job. Yeah. It looked like he

00:05:41.420 was really into it. He was really into it. Yeah. I was impressed because he didn't really

00:05:46.700 want to do it, but we got him dressed up. We cleared space. I made him clean up and yeah,

00:05:51.100 he was super into it. Yeah. And I had to help out at some point, which was fun. We did

00:05:56.480 a lot of homeschooling today, played a lot of games, a lot of board games. Yeah. Studied

00:06:01.680 some French. Feels very homemade, very personal, maybe a bit too personal, frankly, like a diary.

00:06:07.600 And it was less than two weeks in, he said 13 days. And I think they're actually enjoying

00:06:12.600 a break from their normal lives. Sounds like they did a lot of traveling, different paths

00:06:17.680 and we were apart a lot. You can see some of the goofiness creeping in already, the beard

00:06:22.440 braiding part, but that was just for fun. That's just 13 days into a lockdown, trying

00:06:28.280 to have fun. And then it moves a bit contemplative just for a second about how our lives will be

00:06:35.720 more controlled, more digital in the lockdown.

00:06:38.160 And recognize this changing environment that we're in and trying to find some clarity and

00:06:43.500 find, you know, an effective strategy to understand this, you know, new world that we're living

00:06:48.600 in and building out a technology that I think is really geared for this new world. In the

00:06:55.220 digital world, we're going to need, you know, a place to have digital credentials and digital

00:06:59.660 keys and digital money. So that's what we're up to with Swiss key.

00:07:03.720 Yeah, that's a great way to love. Yeah, there'll be dumplings for dinner.

00:07:08.820 Yeah, but we've missed our yoga. This is the first day we haven't done yoga.

00:07:14.820 Anyways, I won't show you the whole thing. This video was recorded 13 days into the lockdown

00:07:19.680 on March 26th. But then the same fellow did an update just a few weeks later, April 15th now.

00:07:26.880 It wasn't just talking about how much fun it was to have a forced staycation for two weeks

00:07:34.980 to flatten the curve, as they say, because now it was well over a month. And it's dawning

00:07:39.340 on this guy that they're not just this was just a blip. This is the new thing. And his tone

00:07:46.700 is very different. No more chatting about how cool online karate is. He's wearing a jacket

00:07:52.020 now. No more PJs. You can tell he's a little bit worried. Here, watch it, watch about a minute.

00:08:00.980 This is an urgent message to all humans everywhere. Based on my experience, connections, and the

00:08:07.940 information that I'm reviewing, I need to issue an urgent call for action. The stakes have never

00:08:13.540 been higher. The global atmosphere of fear is making people vulnerable to manipulation.

00:08:19.620 History has shown us that in times of crisis, we see our human rights stripped from us in the name of

00:08:28.420 our protection. I'm seeing sensible, intelligent people, my friends, my family, our elected representatives,

00:08:40.020 willing to sacrifice their basic human rights in response to this COVID crisis. Now is not the time

00:08:48.740 to sit and wait on the sidelines as our way of life gets steamrolled. It's more important than ever

00:08:54.660 that we fight for the life that we want for ourselves, for our children, for our grandchildren.

00:09:02.180 At the end of the day, we need to think critically about our situation and act with honor and integrity.

00:09:09.060 We need to think about the long-term results of our actions today,

00:09:13.540 and how we can best respond to this global crisis.

00:09:17.620 Holy moly, he's right. And he's right very early. April 2020. A lot of folks are starting to wake up to

00:09:24.900 that now, more than a year in, now that many other countries are out. But we're still deep in. That BBC

00:09:31.940 story the other day should have been a wake-up call. We're the worst in the world here in Toronto,

00:09:36.740 with most of Canada not much better. I think Nova Scotia may actually be worse than Toronto.

00:09:41.300 Quebec has a nighttime curfew, for crying out loud. It's a

00:09:44.580 province treating its people like children. Three pastors in Alberta have now been jailed,

00:09:49.540 including those arrested in SWAT police-style raids. But this guy saw that very early,

00:09:57.220 a year ago. Here's another half minute.

00:09:59.860 The way I see it, we are at a tipping point. All this technology before us can allow us to usher

00:10:05.300 in a digital golden age that allows for humanity to rise together and empower people to have control

00:10:12.420 in their physical and digital lives. Or it can be turned against us in a top-down dystopic system

00:10:20.740 of total control. A society where our every move is tracked. Where our ability to travel is a privilege

00:10:27.060 and not a right. Where our data is used and sold without our knowledge and then weaponized.

00:10:33.140 Now he's talking about data and privacy, and he's right. And I notice that he's standing in front

00:10:37.540 of a flag that mentions a digital wallet or a digital golden age or something. So maybe he's

00:10:41.940 been thinking about this stuff for a while anyways. And it sort of clicks for him that everything we do

00:10:47.220 through the lockdown now is through our computer. Everything. School work. School. Work. Movies.

00:10:56.820 Dating. Everything. Our entire lives are through the internet now. It's terrifying and it's all tracked.

00:11:02.980 Like I say, you can tell that he works in this stuff. It's not just a revelation.

00:11:07.700 But COVID-19, or more to the point, the weaponization of COVID-19, the opportunism around it,

00:11:13.380 that's made him wake up a bit from the happy family banter of playing board games with the family

00:11:18.340 in that first video. Here, I'm going to play two more minutes straight from his next video.

00:11:21.540 Weaponized against us to influence our behavior, our beliefs, and our purchasing decisions.

00:11:28.740 If we give away control of our money, identity, and data as a reaction to COVID-19,

00:11:34.260 I'm concerned that we will never get them back. My mission is to see that people understand the

00:11:40.820 immense value of personal privacy and to empower people with technology that unlocks this value.

00:11:48.580 As humans, we all have the right to personal privacy. Take, for example, the contents of our

00:11:57.780 physical wallets. We control our wallets. We protect it. It's under our physical control.

00:12:05.780 The cash we have in our wallets, we control. The cards we have in our wallet, we control.

00:12:12.420 The receipts we have in our wallet, we control.

00:12:14.820 When it comes to our digital life and our personal data, we have no control.

00:12:21.860 Mega corporations like Facebook, Google, Apple, and Amazon hold, sell, and profit from our personal data.

00:12:31.060 Our money is held in banks, which means it's the bank's money, and we hold a promise.

00:12:36.260 Our stocks, our investments in other companies' success are stored on centralized ledgers by third parties.

00:12:46.340 Our medical data is stored with our doctors and our governments in disconnected, centralized databases and filing cabinets.

00:12:55.940 Our ID cards, passports, voting rights, real estate titles, car registration, and more are mostly physical documents that reference centralized databases.

00:13:08.420 Centralized databases that can be manipulated, hacked, and exploited.

00:13:13.620 He's right, of course. I think some of the info we have stored on us is safe. Some of it's safe. Some of it's sort of safe.

00:13:20.660 Incredible as it may sound, I think the stuff that, for example, the tax department has on us,

00:13:27.380 some of the stuff the hospitals have on us, I think that's actually probably more safe, more private,

00:13:32.660 than the data that the tech giants have on us, because the tech companies explicitly make their money buying and selling that info about us,

00:13:40.940 whereas politicians, they use that information, too, more and more.

00:13:45.400 I mean, Justin Trudeau's cell phone app that he promised would not spy on you, and now we learn the government wants to use the data on it,

00:13:52.400 given freely to them by more than 6 million Canadians, they want to use that data for other purposes.

00:13:56.480 But like I said, Facebook, YouTube, Google, Amazon, etc., they would have used everything from the very beginning, without notice to you.

00:14:04.080 I mean, have you ever read a Terms of Service for these companies on Instagram?

00:14:07.260 They have a license to use your photos. Did you know? They can use it for free.

00:14:11.980 The government has the benefit of being slow and dumb, so they don't quite abuse you as much as the companies do. 0.98

00:14:18.880 Here, watch a little more. 0.97

00:14:19.500 We have been on a trajectory of digitizing our currency, identity information, and data for a long time.

00:14:27.300 Adoption has been increasing rapidly, but with the arrival of this black swan that is COVID-19,

00:14:33.300 we can expect global adoption of digital identity and digital currencies in the coming two years.

00:14:40.660 Billions of people will begin storing digital keys for their money, identity, and data.

00:14:45.480 Where will it be stored? Who will have access to it?

00:14:50.100 How will you access and interface with these keys?

00:14:54.620 These are the important questions we are asking right now and developing solutions for.

00:15:02.240 To usher in this golden age, we need universal access to a secure, open-source, self-custody wallet

00:15:10.740 where we each hold and control our keys.

00:15:16.200 Within these wallets, we can store and access all types of digital currency, identity, and data.

00:15:22.940 By doing this, we unlock this golden age that enables us seamless experiences in our digital lives

00:15:31.340 and privacy in our personal lives.

00:15:34.060 Having been in the Bitcoin and blockchain industry since 2013,

00:15:39.360 I want to assure you that we have all the technology ready to go to make this happen.

00:15:43.320 Either way.

00:15:44.600 I have faith in the ecosystem, its ethos, its principles, its values.

00:15:49.340 But in responding to this crisis, the industry may be deceived

00:15:53.600 into bringing to market solutions that further the agenda of the few at the expense of the many.

00:15:59.340 Okay, now I get it.

00:16:00.580 He's in the digital wallet business.

00:16:02.720 So he thinks this can actually be a golden age for us.

00:16:06.600 Tech can liberate us, can empower us, can protect us, can connect us.

00:16:11.780 I remember when the internet was spoken of that way in general.

00:16:15.660 It's not spoken of that way a lot now.

00:16:18.540 A free place.

00:16:20.340 But he mentioned the blockchain.

00:16:21.660 Did you hear that?

00:16:22.140 That's the technology for encryption that allows things like cryptocurrencies, like Bitcoin.

00:16:27.700 It's a world of hope and a world of dissent and a world of a bit of flim-flam too.

00:16:33.120 You can see a little bit of that here.

00:16:34.680 But I think he's awake to the problems in our society, isn't he?

00:16:38.160 And again, this was in April 2020, more than a year ago.

00:16:41.140 Kudos to him for seeing the dystopia we were heading into.

00:16:45.040 Now, I'm almost done.

00:16:46.040 Here's just one more minute.

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00:17:44.220 Okay, so he goes into sales pitch mode for his company.

00:17:46.980 No problem.

00:17:48.220 He's trying to make a living.

00:17:49.080 I respect the hustle.

00:17:50.560 SwissKey sounds like the name of his company.

00:17:53.020 He wants to make a living out of this COVID mess too, but a living by protecting our privacy and identity.

00:17:58.680 I'd say he's one of the good guys.

00:18:00.600 Though he's got a bit of a guru vibe to him that's a little bit much for me.

00:18:04.520 But do you know who this guy is?

00:18:07.520 Do you recognize him?

00:18:09.400 Let me play the last few seconds of this video, and he'll say his name.

00:18:12.920 With unconditional love and gratitude, I'm Kyle Kemper.

00:18:19.460 Thank you for your attention, and bless you.

00:18:22.220 Do you know any other man who talks that way?

00:18:29.100 I only know of one.

00:18:31.840 Justin Trudeau.

00:18:33.900 And those around Justin Trudeau, like the disgraced, law-breaking former finance minister, Bill Morneau.

00:18:40.680 So who is Kyle Kemper?

00:18:44.860 Why, it's Justin Trudeau's half-brother.

00:18:49.880 When Margaret Trudeau divorced Pierre Trudeau, she married Friede Kemper, and Kyle was her son from that marriage.

00:18:57.940 That's the guy we've been watching.

00:18:59.080 He looks a bit like Margaret Trudeau, doesn't he?

00:19:03.140 He's got that Trudeau, Justin Trudeau, cringe guru thing with the namaste prayer and the heart thing.

00:19:10.620 But I think, to be really candid, putting aside the particular sales pitch, I think he's largely right.

00:19:19.120 Don't you?

00:19:19.980 And I can't believe I'm saying that about Justin Trudeau's half-brother.

00:19:23.260 Of course, what I like about him is exactly what the media party hates about him.

00:19:27.700 I mentioned, I discovered him through a newspaper article.

00:19:30.000 Here's that article.

00:19:30.840 They mention some of his videos.

00:19:33.820 It's in the National Post.

00:19:37.260 It's by John Iverson.

00:19:38.760 His headline is,

00:19:40.540 Trudeau's half-brother is an anti-vaxxer, Bitcoin entrepreneur, and affectionate critic of the PM.

00:19:47.480 I'm seeing sensible, intelligent people, my family, our elected representatives,

00:19:51.260 willing to sacrifice their basic human rights in response to this COVID crisis, Kyle Kemper says.

00:19:57.780 I read the quotes of Kyle Kemper in this post story, and they're all torqued.

00:20:03.260 He actually comes across very reasonably, just like a thoughtful skeptic.

00:20:08.060 Kyle Kemper believes a global corporatocracy has taken advantage of the COVID crisis

00:20:13.120 to diminish democracy and heighten control over people's lives.

00:20:16.280 Yeah, well, Jeff Bezos and Amazon doubled their wealth during the pandemic.

00:20:23.120 So it's not untrue, is it?

00:20:26.760 Kemper agrees with Carolina Panthers offensive tackle and fellow Bitcoin believer Russell Ocum.

00:20:32.600 The real battle is not simply left or right.

00:20:34.580 It is authoritarianism versus libertarianism.

00:20:38.060 Well, of course that's right.

00:20:40.780 Is there a reason that's not right?

00:20:42.980 He has retweeted conspiracy theories about election fraud in the U.S.

00:20:48.360 and promoted ideas that Trudeau's liberals found so reprehensible

00:20:51.880 they called for a conservative MP holding them to be kicked out of the opposition caucus.

00:20:59.280 Are you trying to make me like him?

00:21:03.040 On social media, Kemper urged people to sign petition E-2961,

00:21:07.260 which was sponsored in the House of Commons by conservative Derek Sloan.

00:21:10.060 It calls COVID vaccination, quote, human experimentation and suggests there could be serious adverse effects to taking it.

00:21:17.760 On his Facebook page, Kemper blasts the great reset and people who think 100 percent of the planet

00:21:23.000 needs to be vaccinated with an experimental concoction to prevent a disease with a 99 percent recovery rate.

00:21:29.260 This is sheer madness.

00:21:30.400 I dissent.

00:21:32.020 Again, where's the error?

00:21:33.380 The vaccine companies themselves all say these things.

00:21:38.220 I don't know if it's for legal reasons, if anything, nothing else.

00:21:41.460 Their vaccines are not yet approved.

00:21:43.880 They have not finished the experimentation.

00:21:46.240 They're all still experimental drugs.

00:21:47.740 They're only authorized for emergency use because politicians say the pandemic is so bad,

00:21:52.960 you've got to use unapproved, untested drugs.

00:21:54.840 They're partly tested, but they're not done yet.

00:21:56.940 But, um, the pandemic is not so bad for most people.

00:22:03.120 Where's the error?

00:22:05.480 Here's some more.

00:22:07.120 Kemper said there remains a gigantic divide in the scientific community over the COVID response.

00:22:12.160 Vaccine manufacturers are exempt from liability.

00:22:14.660 That scares me.

00:22:15.760 There are so many ways we can improve our immune systems that counter coronavirus.

00:22:19.180 The sun gives us vitamin D and it's great for the immune system.

00:22:21.560 But Justin and the public health officials don't tell people to get outside and get vitamin D, he said.

00:22:28.120 Again, this is put forward like it's embarrassing, but of course it's the opposite.

00:22:32.400 It's true.

00:22:33.820 There's no rebuttal in this piece.

00:22:35.940 It's just sort of written with a knowing tone.

00:22:39.200 Of course this guy's a kug, right? 1.00

00:22:42.240 And then this bizarre smear.

00:22:43.620 Some of Kemper's views hove close to QAnon, the discredited conspiracy theory that alleges Satan-worshipping pedophiles are running a child-trafficking ring and plotted against Donald Trump.

00:22:58.260 Yeah, um, here's Bill Gates, the billionaire, and Jeffrey Epstein, the child trafficker.

00:23:05.660 However, we now learn that Melinda Gates contacted a divorce lawyer after she discovered her husband's relationship with Epstein, the child trafficker.

00:23:17.040 And then there's, of course, the Hollywood child trafficker, Harvey Weinstein.

00:23:23.680 Which part exactly is the National Post saying is the conspiracy theory?

00:23:28.900 Haven't those all been proved in conspiracy facts now?

00:23:31.640 Is there any doubt that Jeffrey Epstein was a child trafficker and that Bill Gates visited him endlessly?

00:23:37.980 I tell you, I never thought I would see the day.

00:23:41.760 Kyle Kemper isn't my first choice.

00:23:45.580 Any guy who does that heart-shaped thing is probably disqualified from leading a country.

00:23:51.560 But still, if I'm forced to choose, I think the wrong son of Margaret Trudeau became prime minister.

00:23:59.880 Stay with us for more.

00:24:01.640 Welcome back.

00:24:13.160 Well, we were talking earlier about YouTube.

00:24:14.680 There's so many things I love about YouTube, but they're overshadowed by the fact that YouTube is like being in a very woke college.

00:24:24.140 So if you're willing to talk about things that have no political flavor at all, you'll be fine.

00:24:28.180 If you're willing to engage in very woke politics, you'll be fine.

00:24:33.100 But if you dare to be conservative in any way or a critical or a skeptic in any way, you'll find yourself thrown out.

00:24:40.020 But it's increasingly inhospitable to folks like, well, us here at Rebel News.

00:24:45.320 As you know, earlier this year, we were suspended for a week.

00:24:49.220 We were demonetized completely.

00:24:51.020 And we live in fear of being shut down imminently.

00:24:53.880 It literally could happen as soon as next week when YouTube says they're going to shut down an enormous number of accounts and they won't say who.

00:25:01.980 It's a little bit terrifying.

00:25:03.160 But one of the things that it's done to be under YouTube's woke rule is made us look around at other alternatives.

00:25:13.100 As you may know, every day at noon, we do a live stream and then we have that live stream now on four platforms.

00:25:19.040 YouTube, a Canadian startup called SuperU.net, an American crypto-based channel called Odyssey, and the surprise hit, at least for me, is a Toronto-based company called Rumble.com.

00:25:38.040 And what's so much fun about Rumble, fun's the wrong word, but so refreshing and so hopeful, is we've only been putting our videos on Rumble for about a month or two.

00:25:48.040 And we already have more people on any given live stream watching us on Rumble than on YouTube, where we have almost 1.5 million subscribers.

00:26:01.020 How can it be?

00:26:02.160 The Rumble, which we just joined this year, has more people watching us than on YouTube.

00:26:08.280 I think the only answer is that YouTube suppresses us, like I say, because we're conservative.

00:26:14.600 Well, I'm enjoying being on Rumble.

00:26:16.560 It may be the only place we're allowed to be soon.

00:26:19.780 And we have exciting news, which is that Peter Thiel, one of the few liberty-minded folks left in big tech,

00:26:28.160 he and others have decided that Rumble could well be the video future.

00:26:34.660 And joining us now via Skype from Washington, D.C., is Breitbart.com's senior tech editor, Alan Bokhari, with the news.

00:26:42.340 Alan, great to see you again.

00:26:45.100 Peter Thiel has decided that Rumble is the competitor, the YouTube slayer.

00:26:51.480 Am I right?

00:26:53.100 It seems to be the case, yeah.

00:26:54.760 And actually, Peter Thiel's making a lot of political donations at the moment.

00:26:58.520 In addition to this donation to an alternative tech platform, which is fighting censorship,

00:27:02.200 he's also donating to Blake Masters, his deputy, who's rumored to be considering a Senate run in Arizona,

00:27:11.820 to J.D. Vance, the author, who's probably running for the Senate in Ohio.

00:27:17.280 So Thiel seems to be taking more of an active role in fighting against the woke culture that's taking over America.

00:27:24.840 And that took over Silicon Valley.

00:27:26.380 Well, that's, I mean, I know he was one of the few in the tech industry who were not only willing to meet with Donald Trump,

00:27:34.620 but actually to be sort of on his side of things.

00:27:37.380 He was turned into a bit of a pariah over it.

00:27:39.940 I think it's one of the reasons he left Silicon Valley itself and relocated to L.A.

00:27:44.260 I think he was a little bit sick of the group think.

00:27:46.940 He was ahead of the curve on that, that's for sure.

00:27:49.000 And you're talking about political donations, and that's always interesting.

00:27:53.880 I think a billionaire gives a donation for ideological reasons or for reasons of influence or connection and make sure his phone calls get returned.

00:28:01.260 But investing in Rumble.com, and I should disclose that I have a very small sliver of Rumble.com as well,

00:28:09.440 that's a statement I think that Peter Thiel believes in the platform.

00:28:15.320 I mean, it's different than a donation, which you never expect to get anything back from a politician.

00:28:21.120 I think Thiel, not only through his money and through his connections in Silicon Valley, is saying we actually need something else besides YouTube and Google, don't we?

00:28:32.680 Yeah, and there is a huge and growing market for this stuff.

00:28:36.620 I can't remember, but Parler, the alternative to Twitter, had a huge valuation before it got shut down by Amazon.

00:28:42.760 And it just shows you that people are getting sick of the mainstream platforms.

00:28:46.600 The fact that you were saying earlier in the intro that you get more views on Rumble now than on YouTube is huge.

00:28:52.440 And it shows you how YouTube has really sacrificed a big chunk of its audience by caving into the mainstream media's demands for censorship on so many occasions.

00:29:02.100 Yeah, and I never would have guessed that.

00:29:03.880 I mean, I thought, OK, so maybe people aren't that interested in what I have to say.

00:29:07.400 I mean, it wasn't a false modesty.

00:29:09.180 I thought, oh, OK, so only a few thousand people want to watch our live streams.

00:29:11.980 It doesn't really make sense if we had 1.45 million people who positively said, no, no, no, we want to hear what you have to say.

00:29:18.880 And only one tenth of one percent ever watched.

00:29:22.980 We go on Rumble and almost our first day we have more people watching on that platform.

00:29:28.720 I mean, I don't want to sound conspiratorial, but I'm certain that's YouTube's explicit policy of boosting woke content and corporate content

00:29:39.480 and de-boosting alternative content.

00:29:42.540 I mean, I don't know what any other explanation could be if we're getting less than one tenth of one percent of our subscribers tuning in on YouTube

00:29:50.800 and we're overwhelmed on Rumble the first day.

00:29:52.760 I don't know.

00:29:53.220 Maybe there's another explanation for that.

00:29:55.120 What do you think, Alan?

00:29:56.320 No, I think you're right.

00:29:57.340 And we've actually proven that YouTube manipulates its search results for political topics.

00:30:02.160 We covered that over at Breitbart a few years ago.

00:30:04.360 We released part of their YouTube search blacklist and some of the terms they were deliberately reordering results on were very political terms

00:30:11.640 like abortion and Federal Reserve and even terms related to a referendum in Ireland.

00:30:17.440 So we know they manipulate their search results on YouTube.

00:30:19.600 We know they manipulate their search results on their main search engine as well.

00:30:23.900 If you search the name of the editor-in-chief of Breitbart, Alex Marlowe, on Google, a Breitbart link does not come up until the fifth page,

00:30:31.660 which most people do not get to.

00:30:34.260 So Breitbart's actual editor-in-chief, his Breitbart link doesn't show up until your five pages down.

00:30:41.360 So we're suppressed on Google, we're suppressed on YouTube as well.

00:30:45.280 So it's something we absolutely know that they do.

00:30:47.600 I don't think Google is even that worried about hiding it anymore.

00:30:53.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:54.320 Well, with Joe Biden in the White House, I don't think they have much to worry about as they might have had Donald Trump being reelected.

00:31:00.180 Now, one of the interesting things in your article and the headline is Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance invest in YouTube competitor Rumble.

00:31:07.520 I'm familiar with Peter Thiel a little bit.

00:31:09.560 I was not as familiar with J.D. Vance.

00:31:12.100 Let me quote a line from your article.

00:31:14.840 According to Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovsky, part of the funding will be invested in cloud infrastructure.

00:31:20.520 This will allow Rumble to compete with and avoid dependence on traditional cloud hosting providers like Amazon Web Services.

00:31:29.000 The decision of Amazon Web Services to blacklist Parler earlier this year led to the free speech friendly platform being knocked offline at the height of its user growth.

00:31:38.400 So I think that's good thinking because there's always it's like the image of a little fish about to be eaten by a bigger fish, about to be eaten by a bigger fish and so on.

00:31:51.040 There's always a bigger fish in Internet infrastructure.

00:31:53.780 There's always someone you're dependent on.

00:31:56.420 So if you have your own Web site, well, who hosts your Web site and who provides cloud service to them?

00:32:02.120 I mean, Amazon is so dominant. 1.00

00:32:04.460 That's what I think killed Parler.

00:32:07.460 So you've got to go deeper and deeper and deeper.

00:32:10.340 Frankly, you need your own bank.

00:32:12.340 But I think it's really smart that the Rumble is thinking ahead to, well, how did they go for Parler?

00:32:19.380 How did they kick them off?

00:32:20.720 How can we do our best to be self-sufficient like like a compound in the country or like an island of their own?

00:32:28.280 Because it will come to that one day.

00:32:31.340 Yeah, this is something that a growing number of these free speech focused tech startups have run into.

00:32:39.260 Gab and Parler both face this problem where, as you said, a lot of the infrastructure services they depend on often under facing media pressure quickly cave in and refuse to do business with them.

00:32:50.060 We saw this with with Google and Apple kicking Gab and then Parler off their app stores.

00:32:56.900 We saw this with DDoS protection services.

00:33:01.300 Those are services that protect websites from being subject to denial of service attacks where they get deliberately overloaded with traffic.

00:33:09.240 We saw them cut off Gab.

00:33:10.680 We saw DNS providers which provide website addresses cut off Gab.

00:33:15.800 So all of these third party services that websites depend on to stay online, they've they've been deliberately going after and targeting these free speech apps over the next over the last few years.

00:33:27.780 So the fact that that Rumble is investing in cloud hosting, which is one of the crucial one of the crucial things that all websites and all apps need, that's what hosts your your data and your and essentially, yeah, essentially all of your data on the on the Internet.

00:33:44.460 And they're not relying on a centralized service like Amazon or Google or one of the other established players.

00:33:50.980 And that's that shows a lot of foresight about what they'll be probably be facing in the future.

00:33:55.760 Yeah. Well, I mean, that's a huge thing.

00:33:57.240 We think about every single video on YouTube, the number of megabytes or gigabytes.

00:34:01.660 It's stored somewhere who is big enough to store all that, who's big enough to stream all that live like that is staggering when you think of how big Rumble's needs will be, especially if they maintain this growth.

00:34:16.380 So that's it.

00:34:17.280 The easy way would be to go to Amazon and say, hey, guys, because Amazon could handle it.

00:34:22.780 Amazon can handle Amazon or who knows, maybe even Google itself or they could probably find some Chinese vendor willing to do it for even less.

00:34:30.780 But the only way that they can be safe is if they host it themselves.

00:34:34.820 I'm glad they're thinking that way.

00:34:36.240 I find it interesting.

00:34:37.940 I've had the opportunity to speak to the president of Rumble.

00:34:41.580 He's a fellow Torontonian.

00:34:43.000 He's not too far down the road.

00:34:44.400 I find it unusual that they're based here in Canada, which is not a free speech jurisdiction.

00:34:49.860 It's not a First Amendment jurisdiction.

00:34:52.200 And I sure hope that they're protected on the Canadian side, too.

00:34:57.460 I don't know how long they'll be able to stay here in Canada because it's not like we're known as some island of free speech.

00:35:04.920 I mean, I know in some ways Iceland has that reputation.

00:35:08.900 Cyprus has that reputation.

00:35:10.800 Those are places people go if they want to avoid the Cayman Islands, if they want to avoid some regulation.

00:35:17.200 But Toronto, Canada?

00:35:19.500 Anyway, I wish the guys at Rumble very, very well.

00:35:21.800 And like I said, I have a very small interest in them.

00:35:23.540 But I don't know.

00:35:25.460 They have so many battles.

00:35:27.040 But if Peter Thiel is going to be involved with them, I think he'll be able to give them advice that's even more valuable than his money.

00:35:33.600 What I would like to see these alternative tech companies do, and I don't know if Rumble does this.

00:35:38.180 Maybe they do.

00:35:39.440 But I think the standard should be, and maybe this should be written into the corporate charter of some of these companies,

00:35:45.500 that they will allow the maximum amount of free speech within any jurisdiction that they operate in.

00:35:52.820 So, you know, different countries have different speech laws, right?

00:35:58.280 And, you know, every company has to operate within the bounds of those laws.

00:36:01.300 But the media tends to pressure companies to go beyond the bounds of those laws and censor even more than what the law requires.

00:36:10.040 That's certainly the case in the U.S.

00:36:11.500 So that has a First Amendment.

00:36:13.100 The media sets the standards for Silicon Valley, which constantly expand and constantly grow to cover new material,

00:36:21.420 where you get to the point where, you know, Silicon Valley companies arguably censor even more than European hate or Canadian hate speech laws would require.

00:36:29.580 So I would like to see these free speech companies sort of write into their corporate charters that they're only going to remove content as the law requires in each jurisdiction that they operate in.

00:36:40.980 I take your point.

00:36:42.020 I mean, for example, Alex Jones or Parler, they were not shut down because they did something criminal.

00:36:46.780 They were, as far as I know, never charged with any crime.

00:36:49.660 You're absolutely right.

00:36:50.720 It was some, you know, woke CEO or some activist, you know, junior bureaucrat who made the decision.

00:36:57.940 And that was far below the protection level of the First Amendment.

00:37:02.080 Let me ask you, in recent weeks, my favorite for the 2024 Republican nomination, I'm a foreigner, so I don't really get much of a say, but I love Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida.

00:37:12.540 I didn't really know much about him.

00:37:14.420 I think he was a real star of the recovery from the lockdowns.

00:37:19.220 He got out of the lockdowns the fastest, the smartest.

00:37:21.920 I love watching him spar with the media.

00:37:25.880 In many ways, I think he's got the best of Trumpism, the best ideas, and he's not a pushover, but he lacks some of the flaws that I think cause damage to Trump.

00:37:37.580 I really like the guy, and one of the things he's so interesting right now for is he is bringing in little pieces of legislation to chip away at the power of big tech.

00:37:50.360 For example, bringing in rules banning social media companies from deplatforming candidates during a campaign.

00:37:59.120 It's a baby step.

00:38:00.320 It's a tiny little bite, but it's more than zero.

00:38:02.700 What do you think of how Ron DeSantis is handling himself on the tech issue?

00:38:07.900 So I've actually been a little bit critical of this Florida tech law, and maybe it's DeSantis' fault, maybe it's the fault of Florida legislators, but it's actually a lot weaker than the Texas law.

00:38:18.300 Texas also brought in a law to rein in tech censorship, and what Texas did is they basically said, well, these companies are like common carriers, and they should be subject to similar restrictions as common carriers.

00:38:30.680 And that follows what Clarence Thomas recommended in his legal opinion on tech censorship as well.

00:38:37.560 Florida's law did not do that. 0.92

00:38:39.520 It didn't say anything about common carriers, didn't say anything about regulating them as places of public accommodation, which is another category of business in the United States that's quite restricted and who it can or cannot deny service to.

00:38:51.080 Instead, what the law says is that social media companies are prohibited from banning political candidates.

00:39:00.280 Now, there are two political candidates, two major ones anyway, who are banned in Florida, who are residents of Florida.

00:39:07.300 That's Donald Trump and Laura Luma.

00:39:09.900 And we're going to see the law tested if one of them brings a lawsuit against these companies based on the Florida law to reinstate them.

00:39:17.960 So, you know, I think the jury's out on whether that law is going to be effective or not.

00:39:21.580 I think it would be more effective if they just straightforwardly said, well, these companies are going to be regulated as common carriers in the state of Florida.

00:39:29.360 But, you know, we'll see. It's certainly a step in the right direction that they brought in this law.

00:39:35.640 And I think we're going to see over the next few months how effective it really is.

00:39:39.920 Yeah, well, that's a very good point. And thank you for bringing a little bit of nuance.

00:39:43.980 I mean, I love Ron DeSantis anyways, but you're right.

00:39:46.740 Hearing the difference between the Florida law and the Texas law makes me more sympathetic to the Texas one.

00:39:52.320 I'm glad these laws are happening at all.

00:39:54.560 You and I talked about this many times over the past.

00:39:56.540 I felt like Trump did not do enough during his tenure, and it may have been a factor in his defeat.

00:40:02.520 I think it certainly was a factor. The question is how big it was.

00:40:06.500 And now with Republicans out of the White House and seemingly aimless on Capitol Hill,

00:40:12.380 perhaps it goes to the more ambitious and creative governors to hold the fort at least for the next few years.

00:40:18.260 Al, it's great to see you.

00:40:19.540 In fact, I just had the pleasure of interviewing Alex Marlowe of your shop the other day for his new book.

00:40:25.000 So it's very much in the theme of free speech and fighting against the dominant media and their cancel culture.

00:40:30.180 Great to see you keep up the fight down there. And thanks for joining us today.

00:40:34.100 Thanks, Ezra. Good to be on.

00:40:35.240 All right. There you have it. Alan Bocari, senior tech correspondent for Breitbart.com.

00:40:40.000 Stay with us. More ahead.

00:40:40.840 Hey, welcome back on my show last night. Kevin writes,

00:40:55.940 Justin buying off the media again with our money.

00:40:59.120 Oh, yeah, again. But now Facebook's getting into it.

00:41:02.100 I mean, it's like these journalists should, you know, Formula One drivers have all the patches on their uniform of all their different sponsors.

00:41:10.100 I think journalists should have to wear patches.

00:41:12.960 This one gets the money from Trudeau.

00:41:14.800 This gets the money from Trudeau and Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook.

00:41:18.000 I'd like to see that a little bit more honesty, a little bit more truth in advertising.

00:41:22.260 Mia writes, the mainstream media and Facebook are losing individuals, so they have to direct people to each other to make money and to force more censorship. 0.99

00:41:31.620 Just delete your freaking Facebook accounts. 0.96

00:41:34.140 I don't use Facebook much personally, but it is a place where more than two billion people have accounts. 0.99

00:41:40.560 So it is a river of traffic until conservatives build up their own alternative social media giants.

00:41:49.160 That's just going to remain the same.

00:41:50.740 Lone Wolf writes, Canada is doomed.

00:41:56.760 Well, we're all going to die, if that's what you mean.

00:41:59.700 Canada itself, I don't know.

00:42:02.620 Where there's life, there's hope.

00:42:04.040 I think we can keep on fighting.

00:42:05.720 Isn't that our motto?

00:42:07.000 I mean, for six years, I've been saying the same thing after every show.

00:42:11.060 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:42:12.740 As long as you do that, you're keeping hope alive.

00:42:16.600 All right, folks, that's it for today.

00:42:18.280 We'll see you tomorrow.

00:42:19.380 And I've already said it.

00:42:20.740 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:42:21.880 Keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - May 27, 2021

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