Rebel News Podcast - It's the anniversary of 9⧸11 — and we’ve forgotten everything we learned that day

00:00:00.000 Tonight, it's the anniversary of 9-11, and we've forgotten everything we learned that day.

00:00:05.560 It's September 11th, and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.

00:00:13.780 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:17.560 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:21.280 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:24.620 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it

00:00:28.260 is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:35.580 17 years ago, 19 Muslim men hijacked four American airliners at the same time 0.99

00:00:41.520 and carried out the biggest massacre on American soil since Pearl Harbor,

00:00:46.460 except Pearl Harbor was an attack by one nation's military against America's military.

00:00:51.640 It was cowardly and sneaky and unprovoked, but at the end of the day,

00:00:54.800 Pearl Harbor was an army attacking an army at the direction of a state.

00:00:59.920 And that ended when America's army dropped two atom bombs on Japan.

00:01:03.740 Today, Japan is a pacified ally, a liberal democracy.

00:01:09.360 On 9-11, it was a sneak attack too, but on civilians, of course,

00:01:13.380 I'm going to show you some disturbing images of people jumping to their deaths,

00:01:17.080 so turn away now for a minute if you don't want to see that, okay?

00:01:22.260 These were civilians who had gone to work in the morning in the tallest tower in New York,

00:01:26.020 and they were trapped in the burning building, and they had a choice, burn to death

00:01:29.820 or jump to death. 0.55

00:01:33.240 And these poor souls jumped.

00:01:35.280 And it wasn't just these civilians.

00:01:37.460 It was police and firemen who rushed into the burning building.

00:01:40.460 I remember watching that building collapsing on TV and dreading the death toll.

00:01:46.260 Would it be 10,000?

00:01:47.200 Would it be 50,000?

00:01:48.240 No one knew.

00:01:49.680 And what would come next?

00:01:51.560 If there were four planes hijacked, would there be four more?

00:01:56.640 Or would there be 40 more?

00:02:00.020 Well, the answer is that there indeed would be 40 more.

00:02:03.940 Tens of thousands more, actually.

00:02:05.780 Just not quite as spectacular as the one on 9-11.

00:02:08.920 We learned the number 9-11, but London, England learned the number 7-7

00:02:14.820 when they had their bombings, their subway, and other attacks every few months since.

00:02:21.420 Spain had their attacks, too.

00:02:24.980 France has had more attacks than can be named.

00:02:28.420 Attacks in Paris itself.

00:02:29.860 Attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine.

00:02:31.960 Attacks on Jews.

00:02:33.640 Attacks on the Bataclan nightclub, killing more than 100. 0.99

00:02:37.060 The horrific attack in Nice, where a Muslim terrorist got behind the wheel of a large truck

00:02:42.580 and drove down the crowded street on Bastille Day, killing nearly 100 and injuring 400 more.

00:02:48.900 And that's just a sample.

00:02:51.140 And that's just the West.

00:02:52.900 It doesn't even make news anymore when there's an attack in Turkey or Pakistan or Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:02:59.500 And what has the Syrian civil war over the past five years been, other than an attempt by ISIS,

00:03:04.620 which was an offshoot of Al-Qaeda, remember, to take over an entire country?

00:03:10.140 How many hundreds of thousands are dead because of that?

00:03:13.160 But we're Canadian, right?

00:03:14.560 And as a diplomat once said about us, we're a fireproof house far away from matches.

00:03:20.280 Yeah, no, no.

00:03:21.140 An ISIS terrorist murdered a soldier, Nathan Cirillo, at our war memorial and then actually

00:03:26.420 entered our parliament itself when it was full of MPs and the government and the prime minister

00:03:30.660 were literally barricade inside a meeting room.

00:03:34.200 It was amazing that no one else was murdered in the hail of gunfire inside.

00:03:38.020 And around the same time, another soldier, Patrice Vincent, was murdered too.

00:03:41.660 Let's take a moment to say their names and look at their pictures, since no one else will.

00:03:45.420 Well, why is there no permanent memorial to them?

00:03:49.340 Why is their murder not marked by our government?

00:03:52.280 They were specifically attacked because they are symbols of our national sovereignty.

00:03:58.380 Why does our national sovereign not care?

00:04:01.520 It's not just us.

00:04:02.120 When I was in London recently and visited the site where a soldier named Lee Rigby was murdered

00:04:06.100 by a Muslim terrorist, there is no marker at all other than a tiny little brass plate on 0.89

00:04:11.740 the ground, covered in dirt, that doesn't mention who he was or why he was killed and how. 0.90

00:04:19.340 It's just covered in dirt, as you saw.

00:04:22.020 Sometimes the forgetfulness happens in real time. 0.92

00:04:24.500 A Muslim terrorist named Omar Mateen murdered 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando.

00:04:29.340 You'd think that would be newsy. 0.71

00:04:31.180 And it was, but it was immediately transformed into an anti-NRA moment by the liberal media.

00:04:37.280 Nidal Hassan was a Muslim soldier in the U.S. military.

00:04:40.580 He actually made his own business cards that said, Soldier of Allah on them.

00:04:47.080 Well, he murdered his fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, and the Pentagon called it a workplace

00:04:51.780 incident.

00:04:53.760 Just last month, the son of a known Muslim terrorist co-conspirator was found in the New Mexico desert

00:04:59.140 with several polygamous wives, raising their brood of children in a bizarre compound, a training 1.00

00:05:06.080 camp to be school shooters.

00:05:09.840 Not only did a local judge grant them bail, but the local prosecutor, he dropped the charges.

00:05:14.580 And then police bulldozed the crime scene?

00:05:17.680 Even though a baby was found dead in there, why did they bulldoze the crime scene?

00:05:23.220 We are now being made to forget things even as they happen, let alone trying to remember

00:05:28.500 9-11 from 17 years ago.

00:05:30.220 In Toronto, where I am now, there was a mass shooting in Greektown on the Danforth by a

00:05:36.620 Muslim named Faisal Hussain, who was known to police for visiting extremist Muslim countries

00:05:41.920 and for visiting extremist websites.

00:05:44.520 His brother was a known drug dealer.

00:05:46.200 They were into illegal guns.

00:05:47.720 They had massive quantities of a chemical weapon called carfentanil.

00:05:51.600 Well, that could have killed thousands.

00:05:55.480 But it was all controlled news. 0.99

00:05:56.660 Trudeau's government said it was a mental illness.

00:05:58.560 Trudeau himself didn't even bother to break from his summer vacation to visit the injured

00:06:01.900 because that would have led credence that this was some sort of big deal instead of just

00:06:05.500 a guns problem. 0.96

00:06:08.380 Muslim extremists burst into Canadian forces recruiting agencies, but they're called mentally 0.98

00:06:12.980 ill, so they're let out on bail. 0.99

00:06:16.740 And that's just the terrorism.

00:06:17.920 What about the Islamification? 0.83

00:06:19.600 What about the honor killings, like the quadruple homicide of the Shafia girls for the crime 0.98

00:06:25.020 of not wanting to dress like medieval concubines, covered from head to toe in black smocks? 0.82

00:06:30.680 Why the mass unvetted migration?

00:06:34.080 Just yesterday, one of Trudeau's Syrian migrants was charged with the first-degree murder of a

00:06:38.140 young teenage girl in Vancouver.

00:06:39.640 Why was a single Muslim man of military age allowed to come in as a refugee at all?

00:06:43.480 Were there no women and children? 0.98

00:06:44.320 What about Solomon Hajj Solomon, another alleged refugee, accused of sexually groping a half-dozen

00:06:52.160 teenage girls at the West Edmonton Mall Water Park?

00:06:54.480 The judge in that case acquitted the man, in part because the judge said those molested

00:07:00.080 girls, well, they couldn't be trusted to visually identify Solomon because he was of a different 1.00

00:07:05.340 race, you see.

00:07:07.160 Who's the racist now?

00:07:08.560 Why is everything worse now, after 9-11, than before?

00:07:12.820 Why are we more Islamified, more scared of speaking out, more under attack than before? 0.63

00:07:18.920 Why does London have an Islamist mayor now who says terrorist attacks are just part and parcel 0.74

00:07:24.640 of a big city?

00:07:26.200 Really?

00:07:27.660 Ask Tokyo if that's true.

00:07:30.340 Ask Warsaw if that's true.

00:07:33.120 Sadik Khan is not a liberal Muslim.

00:07:34.420 He's an Islamist who represented the families of actual terrorists. 0.51

00:07:39.800 Same thing in America.

00:07:40.880 Why are the Muslims who are rising in politics those of the extremist variety, not progressive 0.99

00:07:45.640 liberal Muslims? 0.83

00:07:46.880 Why is Linda Sarsour, who wears a misogynist hijab, why is she the poster girl for Muslims 1.00

00:07:51.840 in the Democratic Party?

00:07:53.120 Just the other day she said the world should not improperly humanize Jews.

00:08:00.680 Well, Jews are human, actually.

00:08:02.800 The fact that she is the toast of the Democrats, despite saying things like that, is troubling.

00:08:07.240 But no more troubling than Jeremy Corbyn, the UK Labour leader and possibly the next Prime

00:08:11.000 Minister, who, as you can see, poses for photos standing next to the flag of a terrorist

00:08:16.580 group called Hezbollah.

00:08:17.500 You can make it out there near his head.

00:08:18.980 That's a green machine gun on their yellow flag, if you're wondering.

00:08:24.060 Justin Trudeau, he doesn't have as many skeletons in his closet as Jeremy Corbyn, only because

00:08:29.020 for the first 40 years of his life, he was a trust fund international playboy, not a political

00:08:34.320 activist like Corbyn.

00:08:35.940 But Trudeau is making up for lost time, whether it's meeting with Joshua Boyle, the Muslim 1.00

00:08:40.600 convert who took his pregnant wife to Afghanistan to meet the Taliban, and he has since been

00:08:46.260 charged with horrific crimes against her, or just plain old giving money to Omar Khadr,

00:08:51.000 the Al-Qaeda terrorist.

00:08:51.980 And of course, there's Trudeau's right-hand man when it comes to Islamic issues, Omar Al-Gabra,

00:08:56.080 who used to run the anti-Semitic Canadian Arab Federation.

00:09:00.380 That group called for the legalization of Hamas and Hezbollah, a terrorist group too.

00:09:05.160 And then there's Trudeau's star MP, Ikra Khalid, who introduced an anti-Islamophobia censorship

00:09:10.620 motion that was forced through Parliament by Trudeau, and in fact has been copied provincially

00:09:16.060 in Ontario.

00:09:16.860 That censorship and self-censorship, I think, is the most tangible change in the 17 years

00:09:23.260 since 9-11.

00:09:24.060 Back then, you could still criticize Islam, and certainly criticize terrorism, you could 1.00

00:09:29.040 mock them even, you could mock Islam, the religion, like you could mock Christianity and 0.96

00:09:33.240 Judaism and any other religion, but not now.

00:09:36.180 In 2006, I published the Danish cartoons of Mohammed in a Canadian magazine I ran called

00:09:42.360 The Western Standard.

00:09:43.080 I was prosecuted by Alberta's Human Rights Commission, but I had the support of the vast

00:09:47.280 majority of Canada's journalists at the time, including even at the CBC.

00:09:52.300 But now, Human Rights Commissions regularly prosecute Islamophobia, and so do police forces

00:09:57.380 and criminal courts, and the greatest cheerleaders of this censorship are mobs on social media led

00:10:02.380 by journalists.

00:10:04.780 To me, the Western world in 2018 is summed up in two statues.

00:10:07.900 The government in Victoria, BC tore down a statue of Sir John A. Macdonald, Canada's first

00:10:14.780 prime minister.

00:10:17.060 And almost at the same moment, the federal government, and Ikra Khalid was there, put up an official

00:10:23.840 park in Winnipeg named after the Islamist extremist and mass murderer, Mohammed Jinnah, the founding

00:10:33.680 leader of Pakistan.

00:10:36.280 We took down Canada's founder.

00:10:37.800 We put up Pakistan's founder in Canada.

00:10:40.100 And our social and moral and media leaders, our entire establishment, all our school teachers,

00:10:44.960 all our schools, they love this.

00:10:46.340 They love it.

00:10:47.360 They hate who we are and who we have been.

00:10:49.740 They are, in a way, peacefully trying to finish the work of the 9-11 terrorists.

00:10:56.800 Not by tearing down buildings, but by tearing down everything, destroying our own belief

00:11:02.220 in ourselves, in our civilization, hating ourselves, apologizing for being alive.

00:11:09.100 Sorry, things are worse now than before 9-11.

00:11:11.980 The terrorists haven't won, but they're winning, don't you think?

00:11:17.240 Stay with us for more.

00:11:26.800 Stay with us.

00:11:56.800 We saw that a couple years ago with Professor Jordan Peterson at the University of Toronto.

00:12:08.760 In his case, he simply did not want to be forced to use made-up words like g and zher

00:12:15.300 for self-identified gender dysphoria people.

00:12:22.380 I don't even know what words to use.

00:12:23.760 Scott Morris, we saw the case of Lindsay Shepard at Wilfrid Laurier, who was prosecuted and

00:12:31.560 interrogated merely for showing a clip of Jordan Peterson.

00:12:35.380 Well, today we have perhaps the worst case of censorship.

00:12:39.180 A tenured professor at Acadia University has been fired for his political comments.

00:12:46.800 And that professor, Rick Mehta, joins us now via Skype.

00:12:51.080 Professor Mehta, welcome to the program.

00:12:53.160 Thank you for having me, Ezra.

00:12:54.520 Well, it's a pleasure to finally have you on the show.

00:12:57.140 I've followed you on Twitter and I've watched your comments.

00:13:00.000 I would say that you're part of the very small number of Canadian academics who were vocally

00:13:05.880 supportive of Lindsay Shepard and Jordan Peterson.

00:13:08.920 I know there were others, but they were shy.

00:13:12.180 But now you've been fired.

00:13:14.100 Maybe that's why so few academics have the courage to speak out, because they'll be sacked

00:13:20.600 from their jobs, even if they have tenure.

00:13:22.100 Now, that's unfortunately seems to be the case, because I know there were a lot of colleagues

00:13:27.060 who did support me, but none wanted to actually say anything publicly.

00:13:32.200 Well, tell me a little bit more about what you said, because I know you've been a bit of

00:13:36.440 a free speech activist on Twitter.

00:13:38.980 That's how I mainly follow you.

00:13:41.500 But you talk about politics.

00:13:42.880 I mean, you seem like a pretty usual professor to me, opining on the subject of the day.

00:13:48.700 I think that's something that professors sort of do.

00:13:51.260 I mean, words and ideas and debates is sort of their trade.

00:13:56.560 Tell me the kind of things you've been talking about and doing over the last year, and maybe

00:14:01.160 tell us what got you in trouble at Acadia.

00:14:05.180 Yeah, well, I guess people can see on my Twitter feed what I've talked about and what I typically

00:14:11.000 will talk about.

00:14:12.100 But behind the scenes, what I did at the university, well, in December, I critiqued an article that

00:14:18.600 was published in the student newspaper, which was about the supposed gender inequities and 0.94

00:14:24.020 academic hiring and just provided evidence contrary to what was in that article.

00:14:30.300 So the thing about the article was it had only two sources, and this is by the science editor.

00:14:35.200 So one source was just data from the Canadian Association of University Teachers, or CAUT for

00:14:40.960 short.

00:14:41.800 And the other was just an interpretation provided by a women's group called the Women in Science

00:14:47.860 and Engineering Acadia.

00:14:49.820 So there was no other perspective at all that was even considered much less presented.

00:14:54.800 So I just presented, you know, just sent out an email to the campus with a short critique.

00:15:00.280 It was only like two pages, you know, saying, let's say for the wage gap.

00:15:05.240 So actually, I don't know if people know that, but lesbians on average earn 10% more than their 1.00

00:15:10.140 straight counterparts. 0.55

00:15:11.280 And we see the opposite pattern when we compare gay males versus straight males.

00:15:15.640 So, you know, how is that evidence for a wage gap that's probably going to be biological,

00:15:21.260 at least partly in nature.

00:15:22.720 And so, you know, in terms of career choices, hours, work.

00:15:26.340 So that's all they did was present those kind of arguments.

00:15:29.900 Well, I mean, that's interesting for people who are interested in such things, feminism

00:15:35.000 and gender and Marxism.

00:15:37.320 I mean, those are interesting subjects for debate.

00:15:39.400 But, you know, and I'm curious personally, and I think I would be sympathetic to your point

00:15:44.220 of view.

00:15:44.800 But let me pull the camera back a bit and say, it doesn't even matter if people agree or disagree

00:15:51.500 with you.

00:15:51.920 What you're saying, if I hear you right, is that what got you in trouble was just having

00:15:57.420 an opinion.

00:15:58.000 Whether your opinion was reasonable or unreasonable or people agree or disagree, that's all it

00:16:03.040 was.

00:16:03.320 There was no misconduct.

00:16:05.860 There was no, this was not a me too moment.

00:16:08.560 This was not a fraud moment.

00:16:10.660 This was not a theft.

00:16:12.220 I mean, it was nothing that we would traditionally consider a firing offense.

00:16:16.500 Is it accurate to say you were fired because of your opinions, whatever they were?

00:16:20.960 And I, I happen to be interested in them.

00:16:23.360 But even if I wasn't, is it all just because you had opinions and expressed them?

00:16:27.880 Or was there anything worse?

00:16:29.700 Well, the way they say it is that we had no problems with your opinions.

00:16:32.920 It's how you express them.

00:16:34.500 Well, it's the same thing.

00:16:35.800 I mean, that's, so it's just a word crime or a thought crime.

00:16:39.380 Like you didn't do, I guess what I'm saying is you didn't do anything wrong.

00:16:42.500 You didn't, you didn't steal.

00:16:44.060 You didn't cheat.

00:16:44.820 You didn't, you know, do an academic misconduct thing like plagiarism or falsify.

00:16:51.580 Like this was, this was nothing real and substantive.

00:16:55.580 This was all just hurt feelings offenses.

00:16:58.420 And I just want to pin you down on that.

00:17:00.400 If it was, was there anything real or was it all just a hurt feelings thing?

00:17:05.720 Mostly it was hurt feelings.

00:17:06.740 So the kind of thing they put in, like the president put in the letter was a breach of privacy.

00:17:11.880 So there, what had happened was I posted audio recordings of my lectures online.

00:17:17.460 And so in one of the audio recordings, a student just out of the blue talks about how she was raped,

00:17:23.960 even though that had nothing to do with the class content.

00:17:27.840 And so then afterwards, she was then saying that I'd reached her privacy.

00:17:32.520 But she said this in an open class.

00:17:34.320 She volunteered this personal anecdote in an open class with other students.

00:17:38.420 Am I correct in saying that?

00:17:40.540 That's correct.

00:17:41.100 Yeah.

00:17:41.300 And this is in a class of 200 people.

00:17:44.140 And yeah.

00:17:45.620 That's a stitch up.

00:17:46.620 I mean, that's not private.

00:17:48.240 When you're in class and you stand up and you make a personal statement like that in front of 200 people,

00:17:55.720 you're waiving your privacy.

00:17:58.140 It's a weird thing to do.

00:17:59.660 That would make me uncomfortable in class.

00:18:03.180 But I mean, whatever.

00:18:03.900 I guess classes are all about feelings these days.

00:18:06.440 So that's, so because you published a recording of your own lecture, that's a breach of privacy.

00:18:13.460 Exactly.

00:18:13.900 That gives you an example of what they consider, yeah, breaches of privacy.

00:18:18.240 Yeah.

00:18:19.140 Well, as my friend Tommy Robinson would say, that's a stitch up.

00:18:22.660 Now, let me ask you.

00:18:23.780 I was, I mean, I haven't been on campus in a long time.

00:18:28.240 I mean, it's been 20 years since I've graduated.

00:18:31.960 I was under the understanding that if you're a tenured professor, once you've reached a certain level of seniority, you get this magic status.

00:18:41.240 It's like you put a wizard hat on you and it's called tenure.

00:18:44.360 And I don't know exactly what it means other than you get paid more.

00:18:48.480 And I thought they couldn't fire you if you had tenure.

00:18:52.280 So it was designed to give you the freedom to really try out edgy ideas or whatever.

00:18:58.400 I don't know.

00:18:58.760 It's just a feather bedding thing for the union maybe.

00:19:01.680 I don't know.

00:19:02.360 But how could they fire a professor with tenure?

00:19:05.640 Well, yeah.

00:19:06.060 So they said it was, it had nothing to do with what I had said, but the way I said it.

00:19:10.760 So the manner that you express yourself and that you, you contradicted what was in our harassment and discrimination policy.

00:19:20.180 But to give you just an idea of just how preposterous the policy is.

00:19:24.760 So it was, I think it was late November, early, yeah, late November.

00:19:29.580 So on Facebook, I just referred a student to a link on the research and studies, research and graduate studies website.

00:19:37.500 And I said, go to this link and tell me how this in any way is a positive reflection on, you know, the Faculty of Arts or the School of Education.

00:19:46.940 And so if you go, go to the website, it's about this master's thesis that's, that wins an award.

00:19:54.360 And it's about this person's coming out experience, how he dealt with it through interpretive dance.

00:20:00.480 So that was the idea I was critiquing was the idea that you have this thesis that reads like a diary entry and it's about interpretive dance.

00:20:08.180 And that somehow is winning an award.

00:20:10.340 And if you actually read the statement, they actually say the reason it was award winning, award worthy was that the interpretive dance was the focus of the thesis and not just an add on.

00:20:22.020 But somehow by making that link, I was minimizing the student's coming out experience.

00:20:28.600 And so that could be perceived as homophobia.

00:20:31.500 And so that's why I was asked to take down that link.

00:20:34.120 See, I mean, you're, you're talking to me from the bowels of the university where, where this debate you're referring to is normal.

00:20:41.560 But I, I mean, again, I thank God I haven't been in a classroom in two decades.

00:20:45.760 The idea that someone could do a thesis on their own interpretive dance, on their own personal life, the idea that someone stands up in class and talks about their own rape, however horrific that may be, that, when I, that wasn't university.

00:21:02.420 When I was, we went to learn something to get a degree.

00:21:04.700 Hopefully it would be something useful in life.

00:21:07.760 And even if it wasn't practical, it was some deeper classical understanding of literature or history or whatever.

00:21:14.140 The world you're talking about where people do diary style interpretive dances about their own sexual life is, I wonder why anyone would even send their kids to school.

00:21:26.600 And, and especially at the great cost there is, I don't even understand what's going on.

00:21:31.420 Tell me again, what you're, you're a professor of philosophy.

00:21:34.060 Is that, is that your, your area?

00:21:36.600 Psychology.

00:21:37.220 Psychology.

00:21:37.720 Pardon me, excuse me.

00:21:38.440 I knew that.

00:21:39.420 So, was there, was there some sort of a hearing or an investigation into your ouster?

00:21:49.340 Well, that's what they claim.

00:21:51.480 So we have the one investigation by Wayne McKay.

00:21:54.940 So I found out about that on February 13th.

00:21:58.260 So I had, don't actually have my own copies of the report.

00:22:00.860 So that's what I find interesting is that even though these reports are the basis for my dismissal, I can't actually have my own copy unless I agree to conditions that are like a gag order where it literally says that I won't talk to any other person about them.

00:22:15.800 Uh, there's no form of retaliation.

00:22:18.660 So I meant, I'm presumed that would mean even something like a lawsuit.

00:22:21.660 So I would be completely gagged.

00:22:23.960 I wouldn't be able to do this interview with right now because then that would be another basis for dismissal.

00:22:28.960 So this, this person who did an investigation into you, did he interview you?

00:22:35.620 Uh, yes, he did.

00:22:37.480 Uh, when I looked at the report though, what I find interesting is you just have to look at the, let's say the table of contents and you look at who he interviewed.

00:22:44.820 And so then there's going to be anonymous sources and non, along with, you know, people who signed their name to it.

00:22:50.760 And I think that goes against what we normally think of as natural justice is that you get to know who your accuser is.

00:22:57.720 Did you have a chance to challenge any, any of the facts that he included in his report?

00:23:03.880 I mean, I challenged them, um, uh, on the substance, but, um, yeah, it was to no avail.

00:23:10.380 So was, was there an actual hearing?

00:23:12.260 It sounds like the university hired this outside investigator.

00:23:15.900 Is that accurate?

00:23:16.620 Um, and then he produced a report and you had a chance to answer it in what form was there like a trial or a hearing in the university?

00:23:25.220 Uh, no, actually I didn't really get a, well, so I met with the investigator.

00:23:29.520 Uh, then the report came out.

00:23:32.120 Um, well, it was, it was submitted to the university on May 14th.

00:23:35.600 In the meantime, uh, the Dean can bet, uh, did his own investigation.

00:23:40.560 And then I just got the, the letter saying, okay, here's, um, uh, here's what we say has happened.

00:23:48.900 Uh, here's our evidence.

00:23:49.940 How do you respond?

00:23:50.860 And that's it.

00:23:51.620 So I didn't get the chance to actually respond to the contents of the report itself until it was actually used as a basis for disciplining me.

00:23:58.800 And so then it was in the context of a discipline meeting.

00:24:02.720 Hmm.

00:24:03.560 Um, did you, I mean, public sector unions are very strong and the teachers unions and professors unions, faculty associations, I think they're usually called, are very strong.

00:24:14.780 Did, did they provide you, did your union to whom you've been paying dues, I'm sure, for many years, did they provide you with support?

00:24:22.440 Did they have a lawyer for you or an advocate for you in this process?

00:24:25.940 Uh, well, yes, um, I guess the, yeah, we do have a grievance officer and, um, through that you have a lawyer, but key, I guess key point is the lawyer represents the faculty association, not me.

00:24:40.760 And so with the grievance officer, they work within the rules that are there, uh, you know, to help the member, but they don't actually challenge the rules.

00:24:48.840 I think that's what, where the problem is.

00:24:50.440 And so they say, well, it'll be best for your case, because if it's going to go to arbitration, you don't want to say anything that could hurt you in the media.

00:24:57.500 So then therefore keep quiet.

00:24:59.440 So, so that's where I think the problems lie.

00:25:01.860 So, I mean, it would have been nice if they set up a media committee to help me at this stage, right?

00:25:06.620 So it's kind of like the way they help you is, um, probably not ideal.

00:25:10.800 So you've been sacked, but, uh, is there another arbitration or appeal yet to come?

00:25:16.140 Uh, yeah.

00:25:17.820 So usually the procedure is that there's an arbitration.

00:25:21.120 So the, I think the circumstances under which a union would not take it to arbitration are limited.

00:25:26.980 So if it was like a guarantee that I was going to lose the case, then they probably say no.

00:25:31.560 But usually the, the standard is to take it to arbitration from there.

00:25:36.340 Hmm.

00:25:36.500 Well, um, I, I saw that Jordan Peterson, who I mentioned earlier, has, uh, written a couple

00:25:44.120 of tweets in support of you, or at least he, he asks why the investigation into you remains

00:25:50.800 a secret document.

00:25:52.640 Have you received any help from any free speech organizations, from a civil liberties association,

00:25:58.020 from, from another, or, you know, a group that might come to the aid of professors who

00:26:04.580 were being silenced?

00:26:06.000 Has any NGO or lobby group reached out to you at all?

00:26:10.600 Uh, yeah, I've been working with a couple.

00:26:12.300 So there's the, uh, Society for Academic Freedom and Scholarship.

00:26:16.080 So they've been great.

00:26:17.720 Uh, there's the Ontario Civil Liberties Association.

00:26:21.560 So they've been very helpful.

00:26:23.240 Oh, good.

00:26:23.380 I'm very pleased to hear that.

00:26:25.320 Yeah.

00:26:25.560 And there's another group on Facebook called Academics for Academic Freedom.

00:26:28.880 So yeah, that's made a world of difference.

00:26:31.100 Otherwise, I don't think I could have gotten this far without, yeah, their support.

00:26:35.480 Great.

00:26:35.860 I'm definitely grateful to them.

00:26:37.620 Well, I want to ask you a question and I, and I don't want you to feel obligated to answer

00:26:41.200 if it would jeopardize any prospective legal action you may take.

00:26:45.320 But after Jordan Peterson, um, and Lindsay Shepard went through their trials and ordeals,

00:26:53.720 um, in fact, I think it was more than a year afterwards, they filed massive lawsuits against

00:26:59.760 Wilfrid Laurier.

00:27:00.840 Peterson has not sued the University of Toronto where we, where he was hassled.

00:27:05.800 He managed to navigate his way out of that with a lot of public support.

00:27:09.540 But both Lindsay Shepard and Jordan Peterson have sued Wilfrid Laurier, who denounced them

00:27:16.380 both and defamed them both.

00:27:17.860 And I think they're going to win, by the way.

00:27:20.420 And even if they don't have a big financial settlement, I think their lawsuit will smoke

00:27:25.300 out a lot of internal memos and emails and records, uh, from the university to show how

00:27:30.360 high handed they are.

00:27:31.260 I don't want you to give me your legal strategy or give me confidential legal advice, but, uh,

00:27:37.700 have you considered legal action, uh, outside of the grievance process that you've described?

00:27:46.480 What Lindsay Shepard and Jordan Peterson are doing are defamation lawsuits.

00:27:50.320 Is there anything legal that you think you might do?

00:27:52.860 Well, um, keeping those options open, um, so right now, the first thing I'd need is a

00:28:00.300 good lawyer.

00:28:01.200 So that's what I'm doing first is finding, you know, the right lawyer to work with.

00:28:05.380 Cause if you don't have that, you don't have much of a case.

00:28:08.500 So yeah, so I'm trying to do it just one step at a time.

00:28:12.400 So yeah, just see what options are there given what I have and what's the best strategy.

00:28:16.980 So that would be, that's where I am now.

00:28:19.460 Just searching for a lawyer in the first place.

00:28:21.320 All right.

00:28:22.020 Well, I hope you find one.

00:28:23.340 Um, is there a website that you've set up where people can sign up either for updates

00:28:27.520 for you or even chip in to help you cover the cost of a lawyer?

00:28:30.740 Do you have some sort of, um, place that people can find out more info or even contact you?

00:28:36.400 Well, so far I've just been doing, uh, most of my public, uh, publicizing through Twitter,

00:28:42.600 uh, sometimes through Facebook.

00:28:44.500 So I'm starting to use those and then, yeah, just, um, once I know what it is that I need

00:28:50.780 in terms of financial help, then I'll work at it at that stage.

00:28:54.480 So the way I see it is this is going to be in the long haul.

00:28:56.720 So I'd rather just do little bits over a long term than try to put in so much information

00:29:01.600 all at once that it's overwhelming for people to take in.

00:29:05.780 All right.

00:29:06.160 Well, keep us posted.

00:29:07.580 I'm, uh, frustrated and upset, but absolutely not surprised that anyone calling for free

00:29:13.940 speech or challenging political correctness has been drummed out of the academy.

00:29:18.180 Uh, I think it was important that we, uh, established as we did that you actually did

00:29:22.840 nothing wrong other than hold the wrong opinions and express them in a wrong manner.

00:29:27.760 I think that if anyone has students at Acadia University, uh, in their family, they should

00:29:32.640 question, uh, that decision, uh, Professor Rick Maynard, thanks very much for joining us

00:29:36.500 today.

00:29:37.380 Thank you for having me, Ezra.

00:29:38.540 All right.

00:29:38.800 My pleasure.

00:29:39.980 Well, there you have it.

00:29:41.180 I think that the number of conservative academics on campus is very small, but the number who will

00:29:47.540 express themselves as even smaller for fear of being drummed out by Professor Maynard was.

00:29:54.340 Stay with us.

00:29:55.280 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:29:57.760 Welcome back.

00:30:07.900 On my monologue about the South Yorkshire police focusing on feelings instead of crime, Liza 0.92

00:30:12.260 writes, declaring war on insult is ridiculous.

00:30:15.600 Who stands to gain the most by this move?

00:30:17.380 Certainly not the freedom-loving people, but those who wish to silence them.

00:30:21.320 Yeah, well, I can tell you who benefits.

00:30:22.880 I mean, it's pretty obvious.

00:30:23.560 First of all, um, you need budgets.

00:30:26.120 You need bureaucrats.

00:30:26.860 You need offices.

00:30:27.800 You need, um, all sorts of consultants.

00:30:30.380 There's a whole industry here, obviously, people to train people, um, even social media, I guess.

00:30:37.020 Um, anyone who wants to silence someone else now has another arrow in their quiver.

00:30:42.580 Um, and of course the police benefit and the politicians benefit by distracting from the actual crimes they're not solving.

00:30:48.880 Um, my interview with Derek Fildebrandt about the Freedom Conservative Party of Alberta, Stephen writes,

00:30:54.400 Therein lies the difference between conservatives and liberals, unity.

00:30:58.040 No matter what happens in the Liberal Party, they always stick together.

00:31:01.300 No divisions, no disloyalty.

00:31:03.400 They are always one.

00:31:04.320 There's a lot of truth in that.

00:31:07.380 The Liberals, you can't get a crack.

00:31:09.840 There's no daylight between any of them.

00:31:11.600 There is, of course, the cleavage between the Liberals and the NDP.

00:31:14.680 But the Liberal Party itself is united.

00:31:18.100 Paul writes,

00:31:18.700 Well, listen, I've liked Derek for years and I've dealt with him in his capacity at the Taxpayers Federation and then as an MLA, including a lead critic for the Wild Rose Party.

00:31:42.140 And he acknowledged several times, without getting into the particulars of it, his mistakes that he's made over the years.

00:31:48.080 He takes some ownership of that.

00:31:51.360 I think that he's trying to reinvent himself as leader of a new party.

00:31:55.820 Hey, why not?

00:31:56.680 If you can't get in with your old party, create a new party.

00:32:01.780 I was very skeptical of him and I think he overstates the criticisms of the UCP.

00:32:07.180 I'm sure they are timid.

00:32:09.460 I know that for a fact.

00:32:10.520 And I'm sure they are heavy-handed with their nominations.

00:32:13.760 But I think he throws the word corruption around a bit much.

00:32:16.880 I just think it's too far.

00:32:20.820 I don't think that Albertans want more splittism.

00:32:25.400 But I have to say, what I would leave that conversation, after thinking about it for a day now, is it'll be curious to see if it's more than just Derek Phil LeBran himself.

00:32:34.580 I'm skeptical that it will be.

00:32:36.160 But he says he has other names lined up.

00:32:37.940 But I do think, in terms of your question, it would be better if Jason Kenney were the premier, but the opposition were on the right, pulling him back from the media instead of on the left.

00:32:52.760 That would be a healthy change for Alberta. 0.93

00:32:54.200 Well, look, I don't mind the fact that the two parties are united, the old progressive conservatives and the Wildrose Party.

00:33:15.740 But I actually didn't think that there needed to be a unity.

00:33:20.020 Remember that the Wildrose and the Conservative Party were fighting with the lion's share.

00:33:25.800 They were both in like a 30 percent range, while the NDP was single digits, very, very low teens.

00:33:31.820 It wasn't until Danielle Smith tried to euthanize the party and Jim Prentice ran as a socialist PC that people said, you guys make me sick and voted for the only other alternative, which was this innocuous enough looking Rachel Notley.

00:33:46.300 So I think it was an accident of history, a freak incident that would not have been replicated.

00:33:51.820 And even if the parties on the right did not unify, I really think the NDP is going back to their traditional single digit status in Alberta.

00:33:59.640 And I think the risk of the unification, I mean, the obvious benefit of it was that it assures a strong majority UCP government next time.

00:34:11.520 But the risk of it is that you keep within it all the red Tories who really aren't conservative. 0.88

00:34:16.860 They're just part of a tribe and like to win.

00:34:19.920 In a way, the old PC Party ought to have been crushed like the NDP Party.

00:34:25.340 I think Wildrose probably could have done it on themselves.

00:34:27.880 But as I said to Derek Fildebrandt yesterday, all of that is coulda, shoulda, woulda talk.

00:34:31.460 That's all water under the bridge.

00:34:33.140 What's interesting is the next election.

00:34:34.460 I think that Rachel Notley is going to be crushed. 0.85

00:34:39.500 And I hope that there's a right-wing opposition party to Jason Kenney's conservatives.

00:34:43.840 Folks, that's the show for today.

00:34:45.200 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:34:57.880 All right.

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00:35:04.500 Thank you.

00:35:05.040 All right.

00:35:05.980 Bye-bye.

00:35:06.320 Bye-bye.

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00:35:06.880 See you then.

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Rebel News Podcast - September 12, 2018

It's the anniversary of 9⧸11 — and we’ve forgotten everything we learned that day

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