Rebel News Podcast - Jody Wilson-Raybould “told the truth about Justin Trudeau. I think he’s going to jail.”

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00:00:41.640 Today, it won't surprise you, we are going full on Jody Wilson-Raybould's shocking bombshell thermonuclear H-bomb,

00:00:49.820 testimony before a parliamentary committee, absolutely proving beyond, in my mind, a shadow of a doubt

00:00:55.260 that Justin Trudeau, Katie Telford, Gerald Butts, and the rest of the PMO are crooked.

00:01:00.880 Don't listen to me, say it, listen to her.

00:01:03.080 And this very special extended edition of the Ezra Levant Show, you've got to get right to it.

00:01:08.200 Without further to do, here is the audio-only version of Jody Wilson-Raybould taking down the king.

00:01:15.100 You're listening to a Rebel Media Podcast.

00:01:19.520 Tonight, Jody Wilson-Raybould, the former attorney general, did something shocking today.

00:01:24.000 She told the truth about Justin Trudeau.

00:01:26.760 I think he might go to jail.

00:01:28.820 It's February 27th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:31.620 Today, Jody Wilson-Raybould testified before Parliament about Justin Trudeau, Gerald Butts,

00:01:59.280 and the rest of the prime minister's office, and others in the liberal inner circle,

00:02:03.520 other cabinet ministers, and even the head of the supposedly nonpartisan civil service,

00:02:08.180 the clerk of the Privy Council, Michael Wernick,

00:02:10.600 how all of these people and others conspired to pressure her

00:02:14.320 to drop criminal charges against a corrupt company called SNC-Lavalin.

00:02:20.220 That's a Quebec-based engineering firm that was caught paying $48 million in illegal bribes in Libya.

00:02:27.220 They were prosecuted for those crimes of corruption in Canada,

00:02:31.980 but because they're a Quebec company, and Trudeau is a Quebec prime minister,

00:02:35.440 well, Libranos' instinct came out, and so the Montreal liberals, including Trudeau and Butts,

00:02:41.240 well, they went to work on Jody Wilson-Raybould,

00:02:43.980 the first aboriginal woman justice minister in Canadian history.

00:02:47.960 They met with her.

00:02:49.080 They pestered her.

00:02:49.720 They pressed her a dozen times, and she refused to bend.

00:02:52.960 And so they broke her.

00:02:54.880 They fired her. 1.00

00:02:56.960 Now, until now, it was just reports in the newspapers.

00:03:00.060 The Globe and Mail reported some of this a few weeks ago,

00:03:01.940 but it was mainly anonymous sources.

00:03:03.760 Wilson-Raybould herself hired a former Supreme Court judge as her lawyer 0.92

00:03:07.280 to make sure she complied with her obligations as a former cabinet minister

00:03:11.420 and justice minister in terms of confidentiality and solicitor-client privilege,

00:03:16.120 as in she couldn't say things publicly, so she didn't.

00:03:19.960 But today, she negotiated her appearance at a parliamentary committee,

00:03:24.620 and Trudeau actually, under pressure, agreed to waive at least some of his solicitor-client privilege

00:03:31.280 over her to allow her to talk at least somewhat about it, and oh my God, she did.

00:03:36.380 Now, I'm going to play for you her opening comments to the parliamentary committee.

00:03:41.260 Afterwards, she took questions.

00:03:42.480 I'm going to play about a half an hour of that, her opening statement, in full.

00:03:48.200 Now, I'm going to stop the video from time to time to give you my thoughts.

00:03:52.560 I haven't even scripted this.

00:03:54.060 I just watched it in awe.

00:03:55.860 This is breaking so late in the day.

00:03:58.040 I actually had another monologue fully prepared for today,

00:04:00.780 but this late-breaking news is just too important.

00:04:03.560 I want to show it to you in full, her comments, that is,

00:04:06.580 because I know you won't get that elsewhere.

00:04:08.720 So here, without further ado, is Jody Wilson-Raybould,

00:04:13.340 the former Justice Minister and Attorney General,

00:04:15.420 who was fired from that position and demoted to Veterans Minister,

00:04:19.100 and then quit that, and now has spoken truth to power.

00:04:22.620 It is the most amazing thing I think I have ever seen in Canadian politics.

00:04:27.560 Let's watch, and I'll cut in from time to time with some thoughts.

00:04:32.040 Here she is.

00:04:33.240 Thank you so much, Ms. Wilson-Raybould.

00:04:34.680 The floor is yours.

00:04:35.260 Well, Gayla Kusla, thank you, Mr. Chair,

00:04:38.060 and thank you to the members of the Justice Committee

00:04:40.260 for providing me the opportunity for extended testimony today.

00:04:44.540 I very much appreciate it.

00:04:46.740 And starting off, I would like to acknowledge the territory,

00:04:49.720 the ancestral lands of the Algonquin people.

00:04:53.360 For a period of approximately four months,

00:04:55.820 between September and December of 2018,

00:04:59.300 I experienced a consistent and sustained effort

00:05:03.080 by many people within the government

00:05:04.880 to seek to politically interfere

00:05:07.300 in the exercise of prosecutorial discretion

00:05:10.420 in my role as the Attorney General of Canada

00:05:13.260 in an inappropriate effort

00:05:14.940 to secure a deferred prosecution agreement with SNC-Lavalin.

00:05:19.760 These events involved 11 people,

00:05:23.320 excluding myself and my political staff,

00:05:25.480 from the Prime Minister's office,

00:05:27.460 the Privy Council office,

00:05:28.560 and the Office of the Minister of Finance.

00:05:31.740 This included in-person conversations,

00:05:34.040 telephone calls, emails, and text messages.

00:05:36.740 There were approximately 10 phone calls

00:05:38.600 and 10 meetings specifically about SNC,

00:05:41.820 and I and or my staff were a part of these meetings.

00:05:46.000 Within these conversations,

00:05:47.680 there were express statements written in my testimonies

00:05:50.400 to outline the details of these communications

00:05:52.460 for the committee and indeed all Canadians.

00:05:55.480 However, before doing that,

00:05:56.560 let me make a couple of comments.

00:05:58.740 First, I want to thank Canadians for their patience

00:06:01.420 since the February 7th story,

00:06:04.360 which broke in the Globe and Mail.

00:06:06.780 Thank you as well,

00:06:07.860 specifically to those who have reached out to me

00:06:09.760 across the country.

00:06:10.920 I appreciate the messages,

00:06:12.360 and I have read all of them.

00:06:15.380 Secondly, on the role of the Attorney General.

00:06:18.340 The Attorney...

00:06:19.020 All right, so there was a little bit of a hiccup

00:06:21.340 in the live stream we were playing there,

00:06:22.960 but right there is stunning.

00:06:27.200 You will recall that Justin Trudeau,

00:06:28.700 when he first saw that early February report

00:06:30.940 in the Globe and Mail,

00:06:31.580 said, oh, there's nothing there.

00:06:32.440 There's nothing to it,

00:06:33.780 and you know she's fine with it,

00:06:34.840 and in no time...

00:06:35.820 Well, remember what he said.

00:06:36.860 He said, no time did I direct her

00:06:39.420 to take a decision.

00:06:41.780 He used very legalistic language,

00:06:44.120 but if you were to take that at face value,

00:06:48.980 you would think, oh, well,

00:06:49.540 Trudeau didn't pester her at all,

00:06:51.400 but we just heard 10 phone calls

00:06:54.780 and 10 meetings,

00:06:57.440 and there were texts and other things.

00:06:59.480 Justin Trudeau told the world a lie

00:07:02.660 because of two things.

00:07:04.420 He thought Jody Wilson-Raybould

00:07:05.740 was still on side enough

00:07:07.720 because, remember, when that story broke,

00:07:10.120 she was still the veterans minister,

00:07:11.680 so he held power over her.

00:07:13.180 You're not going to give up your perks

00:07:15.780 of being in cabinet, are you?

00:07:17.620 And, of course, he was holding over

00:07:20.880 her solicitor-client privilege.

00:07:22.780 Now, I don't even know

00:07:23.300 if that would properly apply,

00:07:24.860 but that's when a lawyer gives advice

00:07:26.620 to a client.

00:07:27.760 The lawyer can't blab about it.

00:07:29.820 Well, Justin Trudeau was betting on that

00:07:32.280 to make the story go away.

00:07:33.500 You'll remember he bragged

00:07:34.780 that she was in cabinet.

00:07:36.320 Well, the next day she quit.

00:07:37.860 You can imagine how infuriating

00:07:40.280 it would have been for Jody Wilson

00:07:42.280 and were able to watch Trudeau say,

00:07:43.720 oh, no, no, I never pressured her,

00:07:45.320 knowing there were 10 phone calls,

00:07:48.100 10 meetings, and so much more.

00:07:50.100 I tell you, at this moment,

00:07:51.360 you could hear a pin drop

00:07:52.800 in that parliamentary committee.

00:07:54.380 Let's watch some more.

00:07:56.320 The Attorney General exercises

00:07:57.760 prosecutorial discretion as provided for

00:08:00.560 under the Director of Public Prosecutions Act.

00:08:03.500 Generally, this authority is exercised

00:08:05.500 by the Director of Public Prosecutions,

00:08:07.740 but the Attorney General has authority

00:08:09.660 to issue directives to the DPP

00:08:11.740 on specific prosecutions

00:08:13.960 or to take over prosecutions.

00:08:17.320 It is well established

00:08:18.600 that the Attorney General exercises

00:08:20.440 prosecutorial discretion.

00:08:22.580 She or he does so individually

00:08:24.840 and independently.

00:08:26.880 These are not cabinet decisions.

00:08:29.540 I will say that it is appropriate

00:08:31.340 for cabinet members or colleagues

00:08:33.000 to draw to the Attorney General's attention

00:08:35.040 what they see as important

00:08:37.020 policy considerations

00:08:38.420 that are relevant to decisions

00:08:40.420 about how a prosecution will proceed.

00:08:43.480 What is not appropriate

00:08:44.860 is pressing the Attorney General

00:08:46.900 on matters that she or he

00:08:49.400 cannot take into account,

00:08:51.360 such as partisan political considerations,

00:08:54.260 continuing to urge the Attorney General

00:08:55.960 to take her or his mind

00:08:58.160 four months after the decision

00:09:00.240 has been made

00:09:01.120 or suggesting that a collision

00:09:03.720 with the Prime Minister

00:09:04.820 on these matters should be avoided.

00:09:08.320 Well, isn't that interesting?

00:09:10.880 First of all, she's summarizing

00:09:13.020 what the rule of law means.

00:09:15.420 The rule of law means

00:09:17.280 we follow the black letters in a book.

00:09:19.540 It's the opposite of the rule of man

00:09:21.480 where some king says

00:09:23.140 this is the law today,

00:09:24.420 we'll prosecute him

00:09:25.660 but not prosecute her

00:09:27.080 because I am the king

00:09:28.480 in a country with the rule of law,

00:09:30.540 responsible government

00:09:31.260 and an independent judiciary.

00:09:33.300 Whether you're rich or poor

00:09:34.640 or connected or not

00:09:35.940 makes no difference.

00:09:37.020 It was very important

00:09:37.820 for Jody Wilson-Raybill

00:09:38.780 to make these points.

00:09:40.560 And you'll notice

00:09:41.540 that she's reasonable.

00:09:42.640 She says there are some

00:09:43.760 policy issues

00:09:45.680 that are appropriate

00:09:46.980 to consider when prosecuting

00:09:49.360 but that doesn't include

00:09:51.600 the political outcomes

00:09:54.200 of any political party

00:09:55.500 or the whims

00:09:56.620 of the Prime Minister.

00:09:57.720 That's an important distinction

00:09:59.160 she comes to later on.

00:10:00.840 Here, let's continue to watch.

00:10:02.920 With that said,

00:10:04.280 the remainder of my testimony

00:10:05.460 will be a detailed

00:10:06.760 and factual delineation

00:10:08.040 of approximately

00:10:08.840 10 phone calls,

00:10:10.280 10 in-person meetings

00:10:11.260 and emails and text messages

00:10:12.920 that were part of an effort

00:10:14.280 to politically interfere

00:10:15.620 regarding SNC,

00:10:17.340 the SNC matter

00:10:18.220 for purposes of securing

00:10:19.880 a deferred prosecution.

00:10:21.080 The story begins

00:10:23.360 on September the 4th, 2008.

00:10:26.140 My chief and staff

00:10:27.060 and I were overseas

00:10:28.400 when I was sent

00:10:29.800 a memorandum

00:10:30.880 for the Attorney General

00:10:32.040 pursuant to Section 13

00:10:33.560 of the Director

00:10:34.440 of Public Prosecutions Act,

00:10:36.700 which was entitled,

00:10:38.360 quote,

00:10:38.660 whether to issue

00:10:39.700 an invitation

00:10:40.420 to negotiate

00:10:41.300 a remediation agreement

00:10:42.500 to SNC-Lavalin,

00:10:44.360 end quote,

00:10:45.240 which was prepared

00:10:46.060 by the Director

00:10:46.700 of Public Prosecutions,

00:10:48.100 Kathleen Roussel.

00:10:48.840 The only parts

00:10:50.680 of this note

00:10:51.340 that I will disclose

00:10:52.440 are as follows,

00:10:54.360 quote,

00:10:54.740 the DPP is of the view

00:10:56.440 that an invitation

00:10:57.500 to negotiate

00:10:58.520 will not be made

00:10:59.680 in this case

00:11:00.520 and that no announcement

00:11:02.000 will be made

00:11:02.760 by the PPSC,

00:11:04.500 end quote.

00:11:05.540 As with all

00:11:06.400 Section 13 notices,

00:11:08.160 the Director

00:11:08.620 provides the information

00:11:09.920 so that the Attorney General

00:11:11.260 can take such course

00:11:12.380 of action

00:11:13.000 as they deem appropriate.

00:11:15.200 In other words,

00:11:16.220 the Director

00:11:16.680 had made her decision

00:11:18.000 to not negotiate

00:11:19.840 a remediation agreement

00:11:20.900 with SNC-Lavalin.

00:11:23.120 Okay,

00:11:23.680 so just to be clear,

00:11:25.300 Jody Wilson-Raybould,

00:11:26.120 she's the Justice Minister,

00:11:27.060 she's the Cabinet Minister,

00:11:28.000 but she's also

00:11:28.720 the Attorney General,

00:11:30.100 the highest-ranking lawyer

00:11:31.680 in Canada.

00:11:33.180 And one of her

00:11:34.480 lower-ranking lawyers,

00:11:35.960 the Head of Public Prosecutions,

00:11:37.660 sent her a memo saying,

00:11:39.180 no,

00:11:39.460 we're not going to cut

00:11:40.300 a plea deal

00:11:40.860 with these guys,

00:11:41.720 and I won't get

00:11:42.360 into the reasons why.

00:11:43.780 We've shown you

00:11:44.400 a clip from

00:11:44.840 Solomon Friedman before.

00:11:46.220 They don't qualify.

00:11:47.120 These guys are

00:11:48.040 repeat offenders.

00:11:49.380 It goes to the highest

00:11:50.280 ranks of the company.

00:11:51.560 They continually

00:11:52.580 do business

00:11:54.900 in a corrupt way.

00:11:56.140 So,

00:11:56.740 the independent prosecutor,

00:11:58.460 who's not a political person,

00:11:59.540 is just a prosecuting lawyer,

00:12:01.320 you heard her name,

00:12:01.920 Roussel was her name,

00:12:03.120 wrote a memo

00:12:03.780 to her boss,

00:12:04.480 Jody Wilson-Raybould,

00:12:05.220 saying,

00:12:05.920 boss,

00:12:06.460 just to give you

00:12:07.300 the heads up,

00:12:08.140 we're not going to

00:12:09.240 enter into a plea bargain

00:12:10.760 to let these guys

00:12:12.020 off the hook,

00:12:12.660 something sometimes called

00:12:13.720 a deferred prosecution

00:12:15.280 agreement.

00:12:16.360 So it was over,

00:12:18.340 and it was important

00:12:19.480 that Jody Wilson-Raybould

00:12:20.320 start the conversation

00:12:21.160 this way,

00:12:21.700 to let you know

00:12:22.680 that the independent

00:12:24.580 judgment call

00:12:25.860 by the prosecutor

00:12:27.280 was,

00:12:28.500 we have to sue

00:12:29.280 these criminals.

00:12:31.120 That's the rule of law.

00:12:33.180 Now,

00:12:33.460 there is room

00:12:33.940 for some policy debate,

00:12:36.020 and that's why

00:12:37.100 the memo went

00:12:37.660 to the justice minister,

00:12:38.960 the attorney general.

00:12:40.140 But it's important

00:12:41.020 for you to know

00:12:41.720 that in September,

00:12:42.420 she said 2008,

00:12:43.700 she meant 2018,

00:12:44.640 the government

00:12:46.400 of Canada

00:12:46.920 was going to prosecute

00:12:48.300 the well-known

00:12:49.100 criminals, 0.62

00:12:49.780 SNC-Lavalin.

00:12:50.520 I'm saying they are

00:12:51.360 well-known

00:12:51.720 because they've

00:12:52.100 confessed to all this.

00:12:53.100 Keep watching.

00:12:54.620 Lavalin.

00:12:55.940 I subsequently spoke

00:12:57.280 to my minister's office

00:12:58.340 staff about the decision,

00:13:00.240 and I did

00:13:01.140 the standard practice

00:13:02.260 of undertaking

00:13:03.040 further internal work

00:13:04.260 and due diligence

00:13:05.000 in relation to this note,

00:13:07.020 a practice that I

00:13:08.040 have had

00:13:08.820 for many of the

00:13:10.580 Section 13 notices

00:13:11.660 that I received

00:13:12.640 when I was

00:13:13.340 the Attorney General.

00:13:14.840 In other words,

00:13:15.660 I immediately put

00:13:16.480 in motion

00:13:17.100 with my department

00:13:18.680 and minister's office

00:13:19.860 a careful consideration

00:13:21.460 and study of the matter.

00:13:23.700 Two days later,

00:13:24.840 on September the 6th,

00:13:26.560 one of the first

00:13:27.320 communications

00:13:27.940 about the DPA

00:13:29.100 was received

00:13:30.080 from outside

00:13:30.820 of my department.

00:13:33.000 Ben Chin,

00:13:34.200 Minister Morneau's

00:13:35.200 Chief of Staff,

00:13:36.500 emailed my

00:13:37.020 Chief of Staff

00:13:37.840 and they arranged

00:13:38.920 to talk.

00:13:40.120 He wanted to talk

00:13:41.040 about SNC

00:13:42.020 and what we could do,

00:13:43.980 if anything,

00:13:44.720 to address this.

00:13:46.160 He said to her,

00:13:47.280 my chief,

00:13:48.040 that if they don't

00:13:49.160 get a DPA,

00:13:50.240 they will leave Montreal

00:13:51.340 and it's the Quebec

00:13:53.060 election right now,

00:13:54.320 so we can't have

00:13:55.120 that happen.

00:13:56.580 He said that they have

00:13:57.800 a big meeting

00:13:58.380 coming up on Tuesday

00:13:59.540 and that this bad news

00:14:01.860 may go public.

00:14:02.740 Now,

00:14:05.940 I'll let her explain it,

00:14:07.080 but you got it

00:14:07.960 right there.

00:14:08.420 Ben Chin,

00:14:09.700 that's the Chief of Staff

00:14:10.720 to Bill Morneau,

00:14:11.420 the finance minister.

00:14:12.280 He's also,

00:14:13.260 it won't surprise you

00:14:14.280 to learn,

00:14:14.660 a former CBC journalist.

00:14:17.320 And as she'll explain,

00:14:18.500 saying,

00:14:18.900 hey,

00:14:19.560 minister,

00:14:20.580 I'm with the finance minister

00:14:22.720 and you know,

00:14:23.900 suing this company

00:14:24.860 could cause job losses

00:14:27.140 in Canada.

00:14:28.040 Please take that

00:14:28.740 into account.

00:14:30.440 That's a legitimate

00:14:31.400 public policy question.

00:14:33.500 Maybe the proper thing

00:14:34.880 to do for Canada

00:14:36.080 is to protect the jobs.

00:14:37.780 I don't think so.

00:14:38.540 I think we have to

00:14:39.500 prosecute corrupt companies.

00:14:41.560 I think saying,

00:14:42.460 oh,

00:14:42.680 putting us in jail

00:14:43.880 will hurt our economy.

00:14:45.060 I don't think that's

00:14:45.780 the way to do it.

00:14:46.780 But that's legit.

00:14:47.880 But do you hear

00:14:48.560 that second part?

00:14:50.120 Uh-oh,

00:14:50.640 the election is coming up.

00:14:52.140 We can't lose an election.

00:14:53.700 No, no, no.

00:14:54.420 Then that's about

00:14:55.180 the personal interest

00:14:56.420 of the liberals,

00:14:57.980 of the Libranos.

00:14:59.280 Do you see?

00:14:59.980 Well,

00:15:00.380 don't take it from me.

00:15:01.700 Take it from

00:15:02.400 Jodie Wilson-Raybould.

00:15:04.600 This same day,

00:15:05.540 my chief of staff

00:15:06.460 exchanged some emails

00:15:07.980 with my minister's office

00:15:09.920 staff about this,

00:15:11.600 who advised her

00:15:12.420 that the deputy

00:15:13.020 attorney general,

00:15:14.160 Nathalie Thruin,

00:15:15.220 was working on something

00:15:16.800 and that my staff

00:15:18.460 were drafting a memo

00:15:19.480 about the role

00:15:20.320 of the attorney general

00:15:21.320 vis-à-vis the PPSC.

00:15:23.840 It was on or about

00:15:25.100 this day

00:15:25.660 that I requested

00:15:26.440 a one-on-one meeting

00:15:28.180 with the prime minister

00:15:29.180 on another matter

00:15:30.500 of urgency

00:15:31.300 and as soon as possible

00:15:33.300 after I got back

00:15:34.300 into the country.

00:15:35.900 This request

00:15:36.820 would ultimately

00:15:37.380 become the meeting

00:15:38.300 on September the 17th

00:15:40.260 between myself

00:15:41.200 and the prime minister

00:15:42.100 that has widely

00:15:42.780 been reported

00:15:43.420 in the media.

00:15:45.100 On September 7th,

00:15:46.600 my chief of staff

00:15:47.500 spoke by phone

00:15:48.740 to my then minister,

00:15:50.420 or deputy minister,

00:15:51.680 about the call

00:15:52.560 she had received

00:15:53.320 from Ben Chin

00:15:54.160 and the deputy stated

00:15:55.760 that the department

00:15:56.680 is working on this.

00:15:58.380 The deputy gave

00:15:59.180 my chief

00:15:59.880 a quick rundown

00:16:01.520 of what she thought

00:16:02.620 some options

00:16:03.580 would be.

00:16:05.200 On the same day,

00:16:06.020 I received a note

00:16:06.720 from my staff

00:16:07.600 on the role

00:16:08.840 of the attorney general,

00:16:10.460 a note that I also

00:16:11.440 shared with Elder,

00:16:13.160 or that my office

00:16:13.800 also shared with Elder Marquez

00:16:15.240 and Amy Archer

00:16:16.280 at the PMO.

00:16:18.440 Same day,

00:16:19.540 staff in my office

00:16:20.400 met with the deputy minister.

00:16:22.580 Some excerpts

00:16:23.360 of the section 13 note

00:16:25.100 were read

00:16:25.880 to the deputy minister,

00:16:27.440 but the deputy minister

00:16:28.400 did not want

00:16:29.040 to be provided

00:16:29.640 with a copy

00:16:30.240 of the section 13 note.

00:16:33.000 September 8th,

00:16:34.360 my deputy shared

00:16:35.540 the draft note

00:16:36.300 on the role

00:16:36.720 of the attorney general

00:16:37.560 with my chief of staff

00:16:38.660 who subsequently

00:16:39.340 shared it with me.

00:16:41.000 And over the next day,

00:16:43.180 clarity was sought

00:16:43.900 by my staff

00:16:44.900 with the deputy

00:16:45.680 on aspects

00:16:46.340 of the options

00:16:47.240 that were laid out

00:16:48.020 in her note.

00:16:49.840 A follow-up conversation

00:16:51.640 between Ben Chin

00:16:52.580 and a member

00:16:53.380 of my staff,

00:16:54.500 Francois Giroux,

00:16:55.520 occurred on September

00:16:56.600 the 11th.

00:16:58.400 Mr. Chin said

00:16:59.180 that SNC

00:17:00.100 had been informed

00:17:01.600 by the PPSC

00:17:03.980 that it cannot

00:17:04.560 enter into a DPA.

00:17:07.000 And Ben again

00:17:07.720 detailed the reasons

00:17:08.680 why they were told

00:17:10.040 that they were not

00:17:10.600 getting a DPA.

00:17:12.520 Mr. Chin also noted

00:17:13.700 that SNC's legal counsel,

00:17:15.740 Frank Iacobucci,

00:17:17.600 and further detailed

00:17:18.760 what the terms were

00:17:20.000 that SNC was prepared

00:17:21.460 to agree to,

00:17:22.760 stating that they viewed

00:17:23.820 this as part

00:17:24.640 of a negotiation.

00:17:26.380 To be clear,

00:17:27.700 up to this point,

00:17:28.860 I had not been

00:17:30.100 directly contacted

00:17:31.200 by the Prime Minister,

00:17:32.800 officials in the

00:17:33.560 Prime Minister's office,

00:17:34.480 or the Privy Council

00:17:35.340 office about this matter.

00:17:37.060 With the exception

00:17:38.060 of Mr. Chin's discussions,

00:17:40.520 the focus of communications

00:17:41.680 had been internal

00:17:42.840 to the Department of Justice.

00:17:45.280 This changes

00:17:46.220 is on September 1st.

00:17:47.760 Okay.

00:17:48.920 Ben Chin broke the law.

00:17:50.940 Technically,

00:17:51.440 you're not allowed

00:17:51.800 to put any pressure

00:17:52.580 on the Justice Minister

00:17:54.020 in any manner

00:17:55.460 to obstruct justice.

00:17:57.760 He did that

00:17:58.660 with the reference

00:18:00.280 to the outcome

00:18:01.180 of the election.

00:18:01.920 You can't try

00:18:02.960 and lean on a prosecutor

00:18:04.140 and say,

00:18:05.040 don't prosecute a criminal

00:18:06.400 because it'll look bad

00:18:07.520 for the Liberal Party.

00:18:08.860 You can talk about jobs

00:18:09.920 that is legitimate.

00:18:11.320 But as you can see,

00:18:12.700 the decision was made

00:18:13.840 by the prosecutor

00:18:14.780 at the DPP.

00:18:15.560 That's the public

00:18:16.580 prosecution's office.

00:18:18.420 And understand

00:18:19.700 what she just said.

00:18:21.160 She requested a meeting

00:18:22.380 with Justin Trudeau

00:18:23.760 about another matter.

00:18:25.520 Did you hear that?

00:18:26.620 And she said

00:18:27.520 that no one

00:18:28.320 from the PMO

00:18:29.340 had talked to her

00:18:31.020 about this.

00:18:32.140 But she goes

00:18:33.100 to meet with Trudeau

00:18:34.100 on another matter

00:18:35.120 and guess what

00:18:36.680 he talks about.

00:18:37.580 Well, take a listen.

00:18:38.840 Number the 16th.

00:18:40.640 My chief of staff

00:18:41.740 had a phone call

00:18:42.480 with Mathieu Bouchard

00:18:43.520 and Alder Marquez

00:18:44.340 from the Prime Minister's office.

00:18:46.200 They wanted to discuss SNC.

00:18:48.860 They told her

00:18:49.880 that SNC

00:18:50.680 had made further submissions

00:18:51.780 to the Crown

00:18:52.460 and that there is

00:18:54.020 some softening

00:18:54.880 but not much.

00:18:56.380 They said that

00:18:57.060 they understood

00:18:57.780 that the individual

00:18:59.060 Crown prosecutor

00:19:00.260 wants to negotiate

00:19:01.580 an agreement

00:19:02.100 but the director

00:19:02.740 does not.

00:19:04.120 They said that

00:19:04.800 they understand

00:19:05.480 they can't direct

00:19:09.220 but that they hear

00:19:10.880 that our deputy

00:19:12.300 of justice

00:19:13.500 thinks we can

00:19:14.960 get the PPSC

00:19:16.540 to say

00:19:17.260 we think that

00:19:18.300 we should get

00:19:18.740 some outside advice

00:19:19.940 on this.

00:19:21.520 They said that

00:19:22.220 they think

00:19:22.660 we should be able

00:19:23.620 to find

00:19:24.260 a more reasonable

00:19:25.720 resolution here.

00:19:27.660 They told her

00:19:28.640 that SNC's

00:19:29.720 next board meeting

00:19:30.880 is on Thursday

00:19:32.020 which was

00:19:32.820 September the 20th.

00:19:33.860 They also mentioned

00:19:35.540 the Quebec election

00:19:36.600 context.

00:19:38.320 They asked my chief

00:19:39.200 if someone

00:19:39.980 has suggested

00:19:41.180 the outside idea

00:19:42.640 to the PPSC

00:19:43.740 and asked whether

00:19:44.820 or not

00:19:45.340 we were open

00:19:46.440 to this suggestion.

00:19:47.940 They wanted to know

00:19:48.840 if my deputy

00:19:49.520 could do it.

00:19:51.560 In response

00:19:52.400 my chief of staff

00:19:53.260 stressed to them

00:19:54.260 prosecutorial independence

00:19:55.520 and potential concerns

00:19:57.560 about the interference

00:19:58.520 in the independence

00:19:59.380 of the prosecutorial functions.

00:20:02.080 Mr. Bouchard

00:20:02.840 Let me stop there

00:20:03.880 just for a second.

00:20:05.020 When she says chief

00:20:06.220 she's referring to

00:20:07.000 chief of staff.

00:20:08.460 So that's a political position.

00:20:10.280 When she says deputy

00:20:11.260 that's the head

00:20:12.440 civil servant

00:20:13.760 working in the

00:20:14.900 Justice Department.

00:20:15.820 I know this is

00:20:16.260 a little bit technical

00:20:17.060 but I think the devil

00:20:18.300 hears in the details.

00:20:19.640 So you hear again

00:20:20.500 the mention

00:20:21.000 of the Quebec election.

00:20:22.780 And the idea is

00:20:24.060 well look

00:20:25.440 that head of public

00:20:26.400 prosecutions

00:20:27.220 she's so hardline

00:20:28.780 and you're so hardline.

00:20:30.300 Can we give you

00:20:32.360 another lawyer?

00:20:33.420 Can we get a second opinion?

00:20:35.320 We can find some lawyer

00:20:36.780 who says it's okay.

00:20:38.340 Will you go for that?

00:20:39.080 Imagine that.

00:20:40.660 Imagine the lobbying

00:20:41.760 to say well

00:20:42.580 can we replace

00:20:43.520 your judgment

00:20:44.440 with some lawyer

00:20:45.840 that we're going to

00:20:46.840 basically make sure

00:20:48.040 gives you the

00:20:48.600 proper outcome here.

00:20:50.200 It's already

00:20:51.160 very murky.

00:20:52.380 Listen to some more.

00:20:53.260 And Mr. Marquez

00:20:55.360 kept telling her

00:20:56.700 that they didn't

00:20:57.320 want to cross any lines

00:20:58.520 but they asked

00:20:59.540 my chief of staff

00:21:00.360 to follow up with me

00:21:01.400 directly on this matter.

00:21:03.700 To be clear

00:21:04.560 I was fully aware

00:21:05.580 of the conversations

00:21:06.480 between September

00:21:07.640 the 4th

00:21:08.320 and 16th

00:21:09.940 that I have outlined.

00:21:11.540 I had regularly

00:21:12.540 had been regularly

00:21:13.880 briefed by my staff

00:21:15.000 from the moment

00:21:15.620 this first arose

00:21:16.880 and had also reviewed

00:21:18.720 all materials

00:21:19.660 that had been produced.

00:21:21.960 Further

00:21:22.440 my view

00:21:23.300 had also formed

00:21:24.720 at this point.

00:21:26.200 Through the work

00:21:26.660 of my department

00:21:27.340 my minister's office

00:21:28.440 and work I conducted

00:21:29.760 on my own

00:21:30.700 that is what

00:21:31.900 was inappropriate

00:21:32.940 that it was inappropriate

00:21:34.440 for me

00:21:35.240 to intervene

00:21:36.140 in the decision

00:21:37.040 of the director

00:21:37.820 of public prosecutions

00:21:38.940 in this case

00:21:39.780 and to pursue

00:21:40.780 a deferred prosecution

00:21:42.100 agreement.

00:21:43.620 In the course

00:21:44.380 of reaching this view

00:21:45.280 I discussed the matter

00:21:46.540 on a number of occasions

00:21:47.540 with my then deputy

00:21:48.760 so that she was aware

00:21:50.080 of my view

00:21:50.780 raised concerns

00:21:52.200 on a number of occasions

00:21:53.320 with my deputy minister

00:21:54.660 about the appropriateness

00:21:56.180 of communications

00:21:56.980 we were receiving

00:21:58.220 from outside the department

00:21:59.820 and also raised concerns

00:22:01.820 about some of the options

00:22:03.580 that she had been suggesting.

00:22:06.620 On September 17th

00:22:08.480 the deputy minister

00:22:10.160 said that finance

00:22:11.520 had told her

00:22:12.500 that they wanted

00:22:13.100 to make sure

00:22:13.780 that Kathleen

00:22:14.660 understands the impact

00:22:16.780 if we do not

00:22:17.740 do nothing in this case.

00:22:19.080 given the potential

00:22:21.340 concerns raised

00:22:22.340 by this conversation

00:22:23.220 I discussed this later

00:22:24.420 with my deputy.

00:22:26.060 This same day

00:22:27.140 September 17th

00:22:28.780 I have my one-on-one

00:22:30.240 meeting with the prime minister

00:22:31.440 that I requested

00:22:32.480 a couple of weeks ago.

00:22:34.340 When I walked in

00:22:35.620 the clerk of the Privy Council

00:22:36.820 was in attendance

00:22:37.720 as well.

00:22:39.240 While the meeting

00:22:40.100 was not about

00:22:41.220 the issue of SNC

00:22:42.640 and DPAs

00:22:43.620 the prime minister

00:22:44.640 raised the issue

00:22:45.460 immediately.

00:22:45.980 The prime minister

00:22:47.780 asked me to help out

00:22:49.020 to find a solution

00:22:50.540 here for SNC

00:22:51.940 citing that

00:22:53.120 if there is no DPA

00:22:54.320 there would be

00:22:54.900 many jobs lost

00:22:56.000 and that SNC

00:22:57.280 would move from Montreal.

00:22:59.540 In response

00:23:00.440 I explained to him

00:23:01.320 the law

00:23:01.780 and what I have

00:23:03.100 the ability to do

00:23:04.320 and not do

00:23:05.180 under the Director

00:23:05.900 of Public Prosecutions Act

00:23:07.460 around issuing directives

00:23:09.380 or assuming conduct

00:23:11.200 of prosecutions.

00:23:12.540 I told him

00:23:13.380 that I had done

00:23:13.980 my due diligence

00:23:14.660 and had made up my mind

00:23:15.860 on SNC

00:23:16.780 and that I was

00:23:17.880 not going to interfere

00:23:19.260 with the decision

00:23:20.040 of the Director.

00:23:23.560 Let's just stop there

00:23:24.540 for a second.

00:23:26.000 I have my disagreements

00:23:27.320 with Jody Wilson-Raybould.

00:23:28.440 I think she's

00:23:29.160 very left-wing.

00:23:30.780 I disagree with

00:23:31.740 some of her takes

00:23:32.440 on Aboriginal land claims

00:23:34.240 but that's

00:23:36.700 got nothing to do

00:23:37.800 with this.

00:23:38.960 Let me say

00:23:39.840 my unvarnished admiration

00:23:41.580 for her belief

00:23:43.200 in the law

00:23:44.120 for her love

00:23:45.520 for the law.

00:23:46.980 She's left-winger 0.99

00:23:47.680 that's not what

00:23:48.200 we're talking about.

00:23:49.880 We're talking about

00:23:50.600 someone who is

00:23:51.300 willing to look

00:23:52.020 in the eye

00:23:52.560 the Prime Minister

00:23:53.360 the most powerful

00:23:54.600 politician in the country

00:23:55.900 her boss

00:23:57.120 someone at whose

00:23:58.600 pleasure she serves

00:23:59.680 and say

00:24:00.100 boss

00:24:00.560 you're asking me

00:24:02.340 to make a decision

00:24:03.180 that is contrary

00:24:04.260 to my good conscience

00:24:05.600 and the law

00:24:06.640 and I've done

00:24:07.460 my due diligence

00:24:08.160 and I've done

00:24:08.680 my homework

00:24:09.180 and it certainly

00:24:09.780 sounds like she had

00:24:10.660 I can't remember

00:24:13.240 seeing courage

00:24:14.620 like that

00:24:15.280 in Canadian politics

00:24:17.320 in my life

00:24:18.800 in my life

00:24:20.620 and I just know

00:24:22.520 in my bones

00:24:23.500 that Justin Trudeau

00:24:25.180 looks at Jody Wilson-Raybould

00:24:27.120 the same way

00:24:27.700 he looks at

00:24:28.720 Bardish Chaggar 0.82

00:24:30.340 or Miriam Monsef

00:24:31.800 or Catherine McKenna 0.83

00:24:33.020 or any of the other people

00:24:34.540 that he told us all

00:24:35.700 were hired

00:24:36.620 just to meet some

00:24:37.520 race or gender quota.

00:24:39.180 remember that

00:24:40.060 because it's 2015 line

00:24:41.820 how proud he was

00:24:42.860 he chose Jody Wilson-Raybould

00:24:45.100 because

00:24:45.860 she was aboriginal

00:24:47.460 and a woman

00:24:48.080 he said as much

00:24:49.340 little did he know

00:24:51.800 that he was choosing

00:24:53.240 someone who actually

00:24:54.440 loves the law

00:24:55.620 and respects it

00:24:57.400 and is a servant

00:24:58.840 to the law

00:24:59.660 I am

00:25:01.320 so impressed

00:25:02.720 I must say

00:25:03.320 I am moved by that

00:25:04.780 I am deeply moved

00:25:06.740 that someone

00:25:08.200 would look at the

00:25:09.320 prime minister in the eye

00:25:10.220 and say

00:25:10.520 I will not bend to you

00:25:12.460 and the irony

00:25:14.100 and the layer

00:25:15.080 of deliciousness here

00:25:16.240 is that of course

00:25:17.460 we all know

00:25:18.100 and Justin Trudeau

00:25:18.780 himself admits

00:25:19.320 that he doesn't do

00:25:20.160 his due diligence

00:25:20.920 on anything

00:25:21.740 he doesn't read

00:25:22.540 the briefing notes

00:25:23.240 Stephen Harper

00:25:24.020 was famous for reading

00:25:24.980 all the briefing notes

00:25:25.680 he got from the

00:25:26.580 civil service

00:25:27.120 and it became known

00:25:28.440 if he did a memo

00:25:29.120 the prime minister

00:25:29.720 would read it

00:25:30.280 and take it seriously

00:25:30.940 it was actually

00:25:31.320 a morale boost

00:25:32.100 because he knew

00:25:32.800 the top man

00:25:33.460 knew what was going on

00:25:34.660 everyone knows

00:25:35.720 Justin Trudeau

00:25:36.400 is just a back slappy

00:25:37.300 handshaky

00:25:37.940 selfie king

00:25:39.060 so for him to say

00:25:40.460 come on Johnny

00:25:40.920 come on

00:25:41.920 I gotta tell you

00:25:42.700 it's so

00:25:43.980 it's doubly

00:25:44.680 triply impressive

00:25:45.740 that she held the line

00:25:46.620 she's left wing 1.00

00:25:47.980 I don't care

00:25:48.700 I care about the fact

00:25:50.400 that for the first time

00:25:51.160 in a generation

00:25:51.820 we have a politician

00:25:52.940 of such moral fiber

00:25:54.060 that she would look

00:25:55.040 the most powerful politician

00:25:56.220 in the country

00:25:56.640 in the eye

00:25:57.100 and say

00:25:58.400 I will stand

00:25:59.420 with the law

00:26:00.100 against your advice

00:26:01.440 sir

00:26:01.700 that's amazing

00:26:03.500 keep rolling

00:26:04.080 in response

00:26:06.680 the prime minister

00:26:07.440 reiterated his concerns

00:26:08.780 I then explained

00:26:10.300 how this came about

00:26:11.260 and that I had received

00:26:12.580 a section 13 note

00:26:13.740 from the DPP

00:26:14.480 earlier in September

00:26:16.020 and that I had considered

00:26:17.580 the matter very closely

00:26:19.180 further

00:26:20.660 I further stated

00:26:21.560 that I was very clear

00:26:22.980 on my role

00:26:23.840 as the attorney general

00:26:24.920 and that I am not prepared

00:26:26.620 to issue a directive

00:26:27.400 in this case

00:26:28.120 that it would not

00:26:29.220 be appropriate

00:26:29.960 the prime minister

00:26:31.900 again cited

00:26:32.520 the potential loss

00:26:33.560 of jobs

00:26:34.100 and SNC moving

00:26:35.440 then to my surprise

00:26:37.600 the clerk

00:26:38.320 stated

00:26:39.420 or started to make

00:26:40.620 the case

00:26:41.140 for the need

00:26:42.000 for a DPA

00:26:42.660 he said

00:26:43.740 quote

00:26:44.180 there is a board

00:26:45.360 meeting on Thursday

00:26:46.360 September the 20th

00:26:47.640 with stockholders

00:26:48.640 end quote

00:26:49.280 quote again

00:26:51.000 they will likely

00:26:52.080 be moving to London

00:26:53.040 if this happens

00:26:53.920 and there is an election

00:26:55.320 in Quebec soon

00:26:56.400 end quote

00:26:57.040 remember who we're

00:26:59.120 talking about now

00:26:59.920 remember chief

00:27:01.420 refers to chief of staff

00:27:02.540 that's a political

00:27:03.260 boss for every

00:27:04.220 cabinet minister

00:27:04.860 deputy refers

00:27:07.420 to the deputy minister

00:27:08.700 who is a professional

00:27:10.500 civil servant

00:27:11.200 who carries out

00:27:12.260 the will

00:27:12.800 of the minister

00:27:14.500 and the chief of staff

00:27:15.380 and the clerk

00:27:17.040 of the privy council

00:27:18.080 the clerk

00:27:18.740 they're saying that

00:27:19.480 his name is

00:27:19.860 Michael Warnick

00:27:20.500 he is

00:27:21.680 the prime minister's

00:27:23.540 action man

00:27:24.680 the prime minister

00:27:25.220 makes a political decision

00:27:26.420 and the clerk

00:27:27.420 affects that decision

00:27:28.980 the clerk gives advice

00:27:29.980 and he conducts

00:27:31.480 the will

00:27:31.980 of the politician

00:27:32.700 but the clerk

00:27:33.660 is not a politician

00:27:34.640 the clerk is neutral

00:27:36.300 he gives advice

00:27:37.460 to the boss

00:27:38.160 and then takes

00:27:39.040 instructions for the boss

00:27:40.260 but look what

00:27:41.420 has happened here

00:27:42.500 the clerk

00:27:44.260 of the privy council

00:27:45.420 according to

00:27:47.720 Jody Wilson-Raybould

00:27:48.680 said that she

00:27:50.120 one of the reasons

00:27:51.140 she must

00:27:52.300 drop the prosecution

00:27:53.840 against these confessed criminals

00:27:55.660 I just want to let you know

00:27:56.600 SNC-Lavalin

00:27:57.560 does not dispute

00:27:58.660 that they paid

00:27:59.520 illegal bribes

00:28:00.320 48 million bucks

00:28:01.340 and that over

00:28:02.620 100 million dollars

00:28:03.620 in money

00:28:04.680 went missing

00:28:05.300 from Libya

00:28:06.020 and all sorts

00:28:06.740 of other crimes

00:28:07.280 including in Montreal

00:28:08.420 so that's not in dispute

00:28:09.520 I don't have to say

00:28:10.220 alleged criminals

00:28:10.860 they are criminals

00:28:11.880 the so-called

00:28:15.140 non-partisan

00:28:15.780 chief of the public service

00:28:16.880 the clerk of the privy council

00:28:18.260 is his actual title

00:28:19.060 was saying

00:28:20.400 that the justice minister

00:28:21.580 should change

00:28:22.540 her mind

00:28:23.500 because of the potential

00:28:25.560 impact it would have

00:28:26.700 on the election

00:28:28.460 on the election

00:28:30.180 that is not the business

00:28:32.180 of the civil service

00:28:33.260 that is a liberal goal

00:28:35.900 that is impermissible

00:28:37.360 that is illegal

00:28:38.360 that is against

00:28:39.260 the rule of law

00:28:40.020 and that is against

00:28:41.700 section 139.2

00:28:43.260 of the criminal code

00:28:44.820 of Canada

00:28:45.280 I'll show you that

00:28:46.100 a little bit later

00:28:46.800 keep rolling

00:28:47.840 this fascinating tape

00:28:49.160 at that point

00:28:51.120 the prime minister

00:28:51.740 jumped in

00:28:52.540 stressing that

00:28:53.700 there is an election

00:28:54.580 in Quebec

00:28:55.240 and that

00:28:56.220 quote

00:28:56.660 I am an MP

00:28:58.020 in Quebec

00:28:58.800 the member for Papineau

00:29:00.280 end quote

00:29:00.940 I was quite taken aback

00:29:03.600 my response

00:29:05.020 and I vividly remember

00:29:06.060 this as well

00:29:06.960 was to ask

00:29:08.440 the prime minister

00:29:09.080 a direct question

00:29:09.960 while looking him

00:29:10.680 in the eye

00:29:11.280 I asked

00:29:12.920 quote

00:29:13.360 are you politically

00:29:14.420 interfering

00:29:15.160 with my role

00:29:16.440 my decision

00:29:17.280 as the attorney general

00:29:18.580 I would strongly

00:29:20.080 advise against it

00:29:21.220 end quote

00:29:21.660 the prime minister

00:29:23.420 said no no no

00:29:24.620 we just need

00:29:25.360 to find a solution

00:29:26.360 the clerk then

00:29:28.100 said that he spoke

00:29:29.000 to my deputy

00:29:29.640 and she said

00:29:31.200 that I

00:29:31.960 could speak

00:29:33.160 to the director

00:29:34.020 I responded

00:29:36.000 by saying

00:29:37.020 no I would not

00:29:37.840 that would be

00:29:38.560 inappropriate

00:29:39.000 I further explained

00:29:40.660 to the clerk

00:29:41.180 and the prime minister

00:29:42.080 that I had had

00:29:43.120 a conversation

00:29:43.800 with my deputy

00:29:44.580 about options

00:29:45.920 and what my position

00:29:46.960 was on the matter

00:29:47.960 as a result

00:29:49.880 I agreed to

00:29:51.080 and undertook

00:29:52.040 to the prime minister

00:29:52.880 that I would

00:29:53.680 have a conversation

00:29:54.640 with my deputy

00:29:55.960 and the clerk

00:29:57.040 but that these

00:29:58.440 conversations

00:29:59.100 would not change

00:30:00.120 my mind

00:30:00.680 I also said

00:30:02.240 that my staff

00:30:03.040 and my officials

00:30:04.080 are not authorized

00:30:05.020 to speak

00:30:05.720 to the PPSC

00:30:06.780 and then we finally

00:30:08.780 discussed the issue

00:30:09.520 that I had asked

00:30:10.100 for the meeting

00:30:10.580 in the first place

00:30:11.520 I left the meeting

00:30:13.480 and immediately

00:30:14.200 debriefed with my staff

00:30:15.600 about what was said

00:30:16.420 with respect to SNC

00:30:17.740 and DPAs

00:30:18.800 on September 19th

00:30:21.500 I met with the clerk

00:30:22.480 as I had undertaken

00:30:23.840 to the prime minister

00:30:24.740 the meeting was

00:30:26.160 one-on-one

00:30:26.720 in my office

00:30:27.720 the clerk brought up

00:30:34.160 job losses

00:30:34.880 and that this is not

00:30:36.240 about the Quebec election

00:30:37.540 or the prime minister

00:30:39.440 being a Montreal MP

00:30:40.860 he said that he has not

00:30:43.000 seen the section 13 note

00:30:44.660 the clerk said

00:30:45.780 that he understands

00:30:46.560 that SNC

00:30:47.380 is going back and forth

00:30:48.580 with the DPP

00:30:49.300 and that they want

00:30:51.120 more information

00:30:51.900 he said that

00:30:53.460 quote

00:30:53.780 Iacobucci is not

00:30:55.160 a shrinking violet

00:30:55.960 end quote

00:30:56.600 he referenced

00:30:57.880 the September 20th date

00:30:59.980 and that they don't

00:31:01.980 have anything

00:31:02.560 from the DPP

00:31:03.700 he said that

00:31:05.200 the prime minister

00:31:05.740 is very concerned

00:31:06.640 about the confines

00:31:08.100 of my role

00:31:09.000 as attorney general

00:31:09.820 and the director

00:31:10.720 of public prosecutions

00:31:12.020 he reported

00:31:13.320 that the prime minister

00:31:14.180 is very aware

00:31:15.000 of my role

00:31:15.900 as the attorney general

00:31:16.920 of Canada

00:31:17.420 I told the clerk again

00:31:19.900 that I instructed

00:31:21.140 my deputy

00:31:22.220 is not to get

00:31:24.140 that my deputy

00:31:24.620 is not to get in touch

00:31:25.660 with the director

00:31:26.420 and that given

00:31:27.320 my review of the matter

00:31:28.760 I would not speak

00:31:29.900 to her directly

00:31:30.600 regarding the DPA

00:31:31.820 ADPA

00:31:32.600 I offered that

00:31:34.700 if SNC were to send

00:31:36.260 I offered to the clerk

00:31:37.400 if that SNC

00:31:38.580 were to send me

00:31:39.740 a letter

00:31:40.300 expressing their concerns

00:31:42.560 their public interest

00:31:44.040 argument

00:31:44.560 it would be permissible

00:31:46.120 and I would

00:31:46.940 appropriately

00:31:47.640 forward it

00:31:48.980 directly

00:31:49.540 to the director

00:31:50.340 of public prosecutions

00:31:51.640 later that day

00:31:53.500 my chief of staff

00:31:54.240 had a phone call

00:31:54.940 with Elder Marquez

00:31:55.840 and Mathieu Bouchard

00:31:56.740 from the prime minister's office

00:31:58.320 they wanted an update

00:31:59.980 on what was going on

00:32:01.100 regarding the DPAs

00:32:02.560 since

00:32:03.320 quote

00:32:03.800 we don't have

00:32:04.840 a ton of time

00:32:06.000 end quote

00:32:06.580 she relayed my summary

00:32:08.180 of the meeting

00:32:08.700 with the clerk

00:32:09.960 and the prime minister

00:32:10.980 Mathieu and Elder

00:32:13.400 also raised the idea

00:32:14.520 of a quote

00:32:15.220 informal reach out

00:32:16.500 end quote

00:32:17.000 to the DPP

00:32:17.960 my chief of staff

00:32:19.720 said that she knew

00:32:20.540 I was not comfortable

00:32:21.440 with that

00:32:21.960 as it looked like

00:32:23.300 and probably did

00:32:24.260 constitute

00:32:24.860 political interference

00:32:26.260 so let's say

00:32:29.160 you're accused

00:32:29.680 of a crime

00:32:30.260 48 million dollars

00:32:32.480 paying 48 million dollars

00:32:34.140 in bribes

00:32:34.560 in a third world country

00:32:35.340 to corrupt a government

00:32:36.160 to steal money

00:32:37.200 or corruption

00:32:38.880 in the Montreal

00:32:39.600 super hospital

00:32:40.340 these are just a few

00:32:41.080 of the various crimes

00:32:42.000 SNC Labelon has committed

00:32:43.620 let's say

00:32:44.440 you're a fraudster

00:32:45.700 let's say it's a violent crime

00:32:46.900 and you want to have

00:32:49.380 a plea bargain

00:32:49.940 you want to get off easy

00:32:51.080 and the prosecutor says

00:32:52.440 no we got you

00:32:53.060 dead to rights

00:32:53.680 you know

00:32:54.680 you've confessed everything

00:32:55.640 we have the proof of it

00:32:56.500 so you're going to jail buddy

00:32:57.560 and

00:32:59.200 you try

00:33:00.260 and you try

00:33:00.620 and you try

00:33:01.060 and the prosecutor

00:33:01.720 is locked in

00:33:02.760 and you go all the way

00:33:03.840 up to the justice minister

00:33:04.880 and they're locked in

00:33:05.940 so you start making

00:33:07.200 the political calls

00:33:08.100 and did you hear that

00:33:09.120 hey

00:33:10.020 do you mind

00:33:11.080 if we reach out

00:33:11.920 informally

00:33:12.840 what do you mean

00:33:14.300 by informally

00:33:15.260 formally

00:33:16.940 is exactly

00:33:17.940 what Jody Wilson

00:33:18.960 Raybould talked about

00:33:19.800 send a public letter

00:33:21.100 to the justice minister

00:33:22.320 I will give that letter

00:33:23.560 to the DPP

00:33:24.840 that's the

00:33:25.380 that's the department

00:33:26.780 of public prosecutions

00:33:27.800 the director

00:33:28.220 of public prosecutions

00:33:29.100 everything

00:33:29.880 in paper

00:33:31.260 on the record

00:33:32.220 everything public

00:33:33.220 no secrets

00:33:34.380 no smoky back rooms

00:33:35.800 no secret deals

00:33:37.260 if they've got something

00:33:38.460 to say

00:33:38.840 they can say it to me

00:33:39.760 and I'll pass it on

00:33:40.580 to the DPP

00:33:41.120 for their consideration

00:33:42.040 and

00:33:42.840 and Gerald Butz's

00:33:44.420 prime minister's office

00:33:45.440 Trudeau's office

00:33:46.780 had a couple guys

00:33:48.400 say

00:33:48.580 hey

00:33:49.220 do you mind

00:33:50.260 if we

00:33:50.780 you know

00:33:51.360 reach out

00:33:52.800 informally

00:33:53.700 say

00:33:54.440 what

00:33:56.560 what

00:33:56.820 what is this

00:33:58.000 is this

00:33:58.500 is this

00:33:59.400 the Libranos

00:34:00.340 why yes it is

00:34:03.100 and I say

00:34:04.720 I can't imagine

00:34:05.820 the courage

00:34:06.860 it took

00:34:07.860 to stand up

00:34:08.700 to this

00:34:09.160 where did she

00:34:10.340 get that courage

00:34:11.360 where did she

00:34:12.560 get that courage

00:34:13.620 folks

00:34:14.480 have you ever

00:34:15.820 seen anything

00:34:16.460 like that

00:34:17.140 you're standing

00:34:18.660 up to Trudeau

00:34:19.480 and all his

00:34:20.280 henchmen 0.96

00:34:20.860 and they just

00:34:22.220 don't seem to be

00:34:22.880 able to take

00:34:23.360 a no for an answer

00:34:24.420 but she's not 0.62

00:34:25.900 wavering

00:34:26.420 I never knew

00:34:28.340 I never knew

00:34:29.760 that Canada

00:34:30.580 had a justice

00:34:31.320 minister like that

00:34:32.180 and you know

00:34:32.960 that's a hell

00:34:33.760 of a thing

00:34:34.220 here keep

00:34:34.940 watching

00:34:35.280 asked whether

00:34:36.620 that was

00:34:37.680 true

00:34:38.060 if it wasn't

00:34:39.140 the attorney

00:34:39.640 general herself

00:34:40.640 but if it was

00:34:41.840 her staff

00:34:42.600 or the deputy

00:34:43.180 minister

00:34:43.640 my chief of

00:34:45.120 staff said

00:34:45.740 yes it would

00:34:46.480 and offered

00:34:48.100 a call with

00:34:48.820 me directly

00:34:49.380 they said

00:34:50.720 that they

00:34:51.120 will regroup

00:34:51.920 and get back

00:34:52.740 to you

00:34:53.140 on that

00:34:54.160 still on

00:34:55.860 September the

00:34:56.340 19th

00:34:56.880 I spoke to

00:34:57.580 Minister Morneau

00:34:58.520 on this matter

00:34:59.140 when we were

00:35:00.060 in the house

00:35:00.960 he again

00:35:02.560 stressed the

00:35:03.200 need to

00:35:03.560 save jobs

00:35:04.320 and I

00:35:05.020 told him

00:35:05.820 that

00:35:06.620 engagements

00:35:07.800 from his

00:35:08.420 office to

00:35:09.040 mine

00:35:09.380 on SNC

00:35:10.460 had to

00:35:10.960 stop

00:35:11.380 that they

00:35:12.100 were

00:35:12.420 inappropriate

00:35:13.000 they did

00:35:14.760 not stop

00:35:15.340 on September

00:35:16.800 the 20th

00:35:17.480 my chief

00:35:17.860 of staff

00:35:18.360 had phone

00:35:19.260 calls with

00:35:19.780 Mr. Chin

00:35:20.500 and Justin

00:35:22.380 Toe

00:35:22.820 both members

00:35:23.540 of the

00:35:23.800 Minister of

00:35:24.300 Finance's

00:35:24.880 office

00:35:25.240 about

00:35:25.780 DPAs

00:35:26.620 and SNC

00:35:27.680 I saw

00:35:29.420 Bill Morneau

00:35:30.220 the crooked

00:35:31.600 finance minister

00:35:32.620 and I say

00:35:33.020 that not as

00:35:33.480 an insult

00:35:33.860 but as an

00:35:34.340 observation

00:35:34.720 he of course

00:35:35.600 is being

00:35:35.900 convicted

00:35:36.280 for breaching

00:35:36.820 the Conflict

00:35:37.320 Avengers Act

00:35:37.880 he forgot

00:35:38.760 about his

00:35:39.480 French villa

00:35:40.340 and his

00:35:40.640 ethics disclosures

00:35:41.500 etc etc

00:35:42.100 he did not

00:35:42.940 recuse himself

00:35:43.620 when he changed

00:35:44.200 the pension rules

00:35:44.940 even though he has

00:35:45.640 a huge stake

00:35:46.200 in a pension

00:35:46.640 company

00:35:47.000 the guy's a 0.97

00:35:47.480 crook

00:35:47.760 but he

00:35:49.740 personally

00:35:50.340 lobbied

00:35:50.860 and his

00:35:51.280 staff

00:35:51.600 Ben Chin

00:35:52.060 and other

00:35:52.400 staff lobbied

00:35:53.180 and did you

00:35:53.940 hear her

00:35:54.420 she said

00:35:54.980 that Bill Morneau

00:35:56.400 talked to her

00:35:57.540 about it

00:35:57.900 she said

00:35:58.300 stop bothering

00:35:59.220 me

00:35:59.620 stop this

00:36:01.180 but it

00:36:02.240 did not

00:36:02.660 stop

00:36:03.160 these handsy

00:36:05.520 male feminists

00:36:06.360 these male

00:36:07.040 feminists

00:36:07.600 they just

00:36:08.160 don't take

00:36:08.580 no for an

00:36:08.980 answer

00:36:09.200 now do

00:36:09.560 they

00:36:09.800 here's the

00:36:12.820 point though

00:36:13.280 about a

00:36:15.000 month ago

00:36:15.360 about three

00:36:15.880 and a half

00:36:16.100 weeks ago

00:36:16.540 when the

00:36:17.840 Globe and

00:36:18.020 Mail broke

00:36:18.400 this story

00:36:18.920 and congratulations

00:36:19.560 again to

00:36:20.160 Bob Fyfe

00:36:20.520 Steve Chase

00:36:21.000 and Sean

00:36:21.380 Fine

00:36:21.760 we showed

00:36:24.400 you

00:36:24.680 and they

00:36:25.200 reported

00:36:25.820 the more

00:36:26.560 than 50

00:36:27.460 lobbying

00:36:28.760 meetings

00:36:29.320 that were

00:36:29.680 held by

00:36:30.220 SNC

00:36:30.800 Lavaline

00:36:31.220 they were

00:36:31.420 going crazy

00:36:32.100 Ben Chin

00:36:34.140 Bill Morneau

00:36:35.120 they were

00:36:35.340 all on the

00:36:35.720 list

00:36:35.940 why is it

00:36:37.420 that you

00:36:39.240 got hundreds

00:36:39.820 of reporters

00:36:40.540 in Ottawa

00:36:41.060 and none

00:36:41.740 of them

00:36:41.940 have pressed

00:36:42.360 Bill Morneau

00:36:43.020 or Ben Chin

00:36:43.780 or any of

00:36:44.640 these other

00:36:44.980 people for

00:36:45.500 what did

00:36:45.860 you do

00:36:46.280 by the way

00:36:47.420 the Canadian

00:36:48.080 ambassador

00:36:48.680 to the United

00:36:49.560 States

00:36:49.940 McNaughton

00:36:50.500 David McNaughton

00:36:51.200 was lobbied

00:36:51.680 several times

00:36:52.300 why hasn't

00:36:53.280 he been

00:36:53.640 scrummed

00:36:54.200 on this

00:36:54.800 this is a

00:36:56.100 scandal

00:36:56.540 that's not

00:36:56.920 just political

00:36:57.380 or ethical

00:36:57.780 it is now

00:36:58.320 criminal

00:36:59.220 the Attorney

00:37:00.900 General

00:37:01.200 is saying

00:37:01.500 stop

00:37:02.160 pestering

00:37:03.140 me

00:37:03.380 stop

00:37:04.020 pestering

00:37:04.920 me

00:37:05.120 the decision

00:37:05.620 is made

00:37:06.140 we are

00:37:06.660 prosecuting

00:37:07.240 the criminals

00:37:07.740 and the

00:37:08.460 Libranos

00:37:08.900 just won't

00:37:09.400 stop

00:37:09.820 I wonder

00:37:11.800 if any

00:37:12.300 reporter

00:37:12.740 in the

00:37:13.020 entire

00:37:13.340 media

00:37:13.620 party

00:37:13.900 is going

00:37:14.120 to put

00:37:14.300 a question

00:37:14.780 to Ben

00:37:15.580 Chin 0.98

00:37:15.840 their former

00:37:16.300 CBC colleague

00:37:17.120 or Bill

00:37:17.840 Morneau

00:37:18.280 that's

00:37:19.520 to me

00:37:20.140 an

00:37:20.460 absolutely

00:37:21.540 killer

00:37:22.720 revelation

00:37:23.480 Bill

00:37:24.600 Morneau

00:37:25.060 who we

00:37:25.680 know

00:37:25.820 is crooked

00:37:26.260 he's already

00:37:26.680 broken the

00:37:27.120 conflict of

00:37:27.560 interest act

00:37:28.020 sitting finance

00:37:29.120 minister

00:37:29.460 broke the

00:37:30.120 law

00:37:30.400 whoa

00:37:31.020 pestering

00:37:33.380 pestering

00:37:34.580 pressuring

00:37:35.780 drop the

00:37:36.700 charges

00:37:37.020 drop the

00:37:37.500 charges

00:37:37.820 drop the

00:37:38.260 charges

00:37:38.500 drop the

00:37:39.040 charges

00:37:39.400 drop the

00:37:39.860 charges

00:37:40.140 stop

00:37:40.740 stop

00:37:41.260 and he

00:37:41.720 wouldn't

00:37:42.100 stop

00:37:42.560 and he

00:37:43.140 wouldn't

00:37:43.520 stop

00:37:43.840 go to

00:37:44.480 jail

00:37:44.720 Bill

00:37:44.980 Morneau

00:37:45.360 go to

00:37:45.900 jail

00:37:46.120 Bill

00:37:46.360 Morneau

00:37:46.700 watch

00:37:47.100 some

00:37:47.320 more

00:37:47.520 at this

00:37:49.540 point

00:37:49.960 after

00:37:50.660 September

00:37:51.120 the

00:37:51.320 20th

00:37:51.900 there

00:37:52.580 was an

00:37:52.920 apparent

00:37:53.260 pause

00:37:53.760 in

00:37:54.100 communicating

00:37:54.580 with

00:37:54.860 myself

00:37:55.440 or my

00:37:56.540 chief

00:37:56.760 of staff

00:37:57.180 on the

00:37:57.460 SNC

00:37:58.040 matter

00:37:58.400 we did

00:37:59.660 not hear

00:38:00.240 from anyone

00:38:00.920 again

00:38:01.320 until

00:38:02.060 October

00:38:02.920 the

00:38:03.180 18th

00:38:04.200 when

00:38:04.580 Mathieu

00:38:04.920 Bouchard

00:38:05.360 called

00:38:05.660 my

00:38:05.860 chief

00:38:06.060 of

00:38:06.220 staff

00:38:06.560 and

00:38:07.120 asked

00:38:07.400 that

00:38:07.560 we

00:38:07.880 I

00:38:08.600 look

00:38:09.400 at the

00:38:09.860 option

00:38:10.280 of seeking

00:38:10.900 an external

00:38:11.500 legal opinion

00:38:12.220 on the

00:38:12.740 DPP's

00:38:13.320 decision

00:38:13.660 not

00:38:14.140 to

00:38:14.780 extend

00:38:15.140 an

00:38:15.320 invitation

00:38:15.780 to

00:38:16.140 negotiate

00:38:16.760 a

00:38:17.020 DPA

00:38:17.400 this

00:38:19.980 would

00:38:20.160 become

00:38:20.900 a

00:38:21.100 recurring

00:38:21.460 theme

00:38:22.100 for

00:38:22.440 some

00:38:22.760 time

00:38:23.100 in

00:38:23.260 messages

00:38:23.580 from

00:38:24.000 the

00:38:24.200 PMO

00:38:24.880 that

00:38:25.500 an

00:38:25.620 external

00:38:25.960 review

00:38:26.360 should

00:38:26.680 be

00:38:26.840 done

00:38:27.120 of

00:38:27.340 the

00:38:27.440 DPP's

00:38:28.140 decision

00:38:28.600 the

00:38:29.960 next

00:38:30.160 day

00:38:30.320 as well

00:38:30.820 SNC

00:38:31.900 filed

00:38:32.380 a

00:38:32.580 federal

00:38:32.820 court

00:38:33.120 application

00:38:33.800 seeking

00:38:34.560 to

00:38:34.840 quash

00:38:35.140 the

00:38:35.300 DPP's

00:38:35.920 decision

00:38:36.340 to

00:38:36.840 not

00:38:37.140 enter

00:38:37.500 into

00:38:37.800 remediation

00:38:38.420 agreement

00:38:38.780 with

00:38:39.100 them

00:38:39.340 in

00:38:40.600 my

00:38:40.860 view

00:38:41.160 this

00:38:42.060 necessarily

00:38:42.920 put to

00:38:43.800 rest

00:38:44.140 any

00:38:44.500 notion

00:38:45.020 that I

00:38:45.680 might

00:38:46.020 speak

00:38:46.420 to

00:38:46.740 or

00:38:47.100 intervene

00:38:47.720 with

00:38:48.200 the

00:38:48.340 DPP

00:38:48.780 or that

00:38:49.660 external

00:38:50.160 review

00:38:50.640 could

00:38:50.980 take

00:38:51.280 place

00:38:51.760 the matter

00:38:52.780 was now

00:38:53.160 before the

00:38:53.620 courts

00:38:53.980 and a

00:38:54.400 judge

00:38:54.720 was being

00:38:55.260 asked to

00:38:55.800 look at

00:38:56.240 the

00:38:56.360 DPP's

00:38:57.000 discretion

00:38:57.600 So do you

00:39:23.700 understand

00:39:23.980 what's

00:39:24.240 happened

00:39:24.520 here

00:39:24.760 ironically

00:39:26.180 SNC

00:39:27.180 Lavalin

00:39:27.600 did

00:39:28.460 the

00:39:28.660 ethical

00:39:29.020 thing

00:39:29.520 they

00:39:30.540 didn't

00:39:30.760 like

00:39:31.060 the

00:39:31.200 decision

00:39:31.580 by

00:39:31.780 the

00:39:31.920 prosecutor

00:39:32.420 to

00:39:32.860 go

00:39:33.020 ahead

00:39:33.220 the

00:39:33.360 DPP

00:39:33.720 that's

00:39:34.220 director

00:39:34.460 of

00:39:34.580 public

00:39:34.780 prosecutions

00:39:35.320 so

00:39:36.480 they're

00:39:37.100 going

00:39:37.260 ahead

00:39:37.380 with

00:39:37.480 the

00:39:37.560 prosecution

00:39:37.960 they

00:39:38.220 refused

00:39:38.560 to give

00:39:38.780 him

00:39:38.840 the

00:39:38.960 plea

00:39:39.120 bargain

00:39:39.420 the

00:39:39.580 deferred

00:39:39.860 prosecution

00:39:40.260 so

00:39:40.860 what's

00:39:41.100 the

00:39:41.200 right

00:39:41.380 thing

00:39:41.580 to

00:39:41.720 do

00:39:41.880 in

00:39:41.980 a

00:39:42.080 country

00:39:42.300 with

00:39:42.480 the

00:39:42.600 rule

00:39:42.760 of

00:39:42.900 law

00:39:43.100 you

00:39:43.760 appeal

00:39:44.360 that

00:39:44.580 to

00:39:44.760 a

00:39:44.920 judge

00:39:45.160 and

00:39:45.320 say

00:39:45.480 judge

00:39:46.060 come

00:39:46.660 on

00:39:47.020 we

00:39:47.860 ought

00:39:48.460 to

00:39:48.580 get

00:39:48.820 the

00:39:49.260 plea

00:39:50.380 deal

00:39:50.780 it would

00:39:51.400 be

00:39:51.500 very

00:39:51.740 unusual

00:39:52.160 for a

00:39:52.620 judge

00:39:52.880 to

00:39:53.500 take

00:39:53.700 away

00:39:53.880 that

00:39:54.040 discretion

00:39:54.400 from

00:39:54.640 a

00:39:54.780 prosecutor

00:39:55.140 but

00:39:55.720 ironically

00:39:56.500 SNC

00:39:57.200 Lavalin

00:39:57.580 did

00:39:58.140 the

00:39:58.320 right

00:39:58.520 thing

00:39:59.000 but

00:40:01.200 the

00:40:01.400 government

00:40:01.860 didn't

00:40:02.320 the

00:40:02.520 liberals

00:40:02.880 didn't

00:40:03.240 the

00:40:03.380 Libranos

00:40:03.960 didn't

00:40:04.360 they

00:40:05.100 were

00:40:05.420 now

00:40:05.840 interfering

00:40:06.760 with

00:40:07.180 it

00:40:07.400 while

00:40:08.320 it

00:40:08.520 was

00:40:08.700 before

00:40:09.080 a

00:40:09.440 judge

00:40:10.080 it

00:40:11.400 was

00:40:11.540 before

00:40:11.880 a

00:40:12.240 judge

00:40:12.840 and

00:40:13.360 the

00:40:13.480 Libranos

00:40:14.060 were

00:40:14.240 still

00:40:14.540 trying to

00:40:14.880 get

00:40:14.980 Jody

00:40:15.160 Wilson

00:40:15.380 able

00:40:15.660 to

00:40:15.860 drop

00:40:16.300 it

00:40:16.600 how

00:40:18.740 incredible

00:40:20.140 that

00:40:20.880 SNC

00:40:21.500 Lavalin

00:40:21.860 in

00:40:22.180 this

00:40:22.520 very

00:40:23.560 slivery

00:40:24.240 moment

00:40:24.800 were

00:40:26.000 actually

00:40:26.520 SNC

00:40:27.140 Lavalin

00:40:28.700 was

00:40:28.900 actually

00:40:29.340 more

00:40:29.760 ethical

00:40:30.720 than

00:40:31.160 the

00:40:31.680 liberals

00:40:32.580 keep

00:40:33.680 watching

00:40:34.020 Matthew

00:40:36.620 replied

00:40:37.280 that

00:40:37.760 he

00:40:38.040 was

00:40:38.340 still

00:40:38.720 interested

00:40:39.180 in

00:40:39.540 an

00:40:39.720 external

00:40:40.200 legal

00:40:40.640 opinion

00:40:41.120 idea

00:40:41.720 could

00:40:43.260 she

00:40:43.580 not

00:40:43.920 get

00:40:44.140 an

00:40:44.280 external

00:40:44.680 legal

00:40:45.040 opinion

00:40:45.380 on

00:40:45.640 whether

00:40:45.820 the

00:40:46.000 DPP

00:40:46.440 had

00:40:46.840 exercised

00:40:47.520 their

00:40:47.700 discretion

00:40:48.100 properly

00:40:48.680 and

00:40:49.760 then

00:40:50.120 on

00:40:50.600 the

00:40:50.760 application

00:40:51.220 itself

00:40:51.900 the

00:40:52.320 Attorney

00:40:52.560 General

00:40:52.900 could

00:40:53.200 intervene

00:40:53.800 seek

00:40:54.420 to

00:40:54.600 stay

00:40:54.860 the

00:40:55.060 proceedings

00:40:55.620 given

00:40:56.180 that

00:40:56.420 she

00:40:56.600 was

00:40:56.820 awaiting

00:40:57.140 a

00:40:57.360 legal

00:40:57.600 opinion

00:40:58.080 my

00:40:59.960 chief

00:41:00.220 of

00:41:00.380 staff

00:41:00.680 said

00:41:01.020 that

00:41:01.260 this

00:41:01.440 would

00:41:01.580 obviously

00:41:02.100 be

00:41:02.420 perceived

00:41:02.880 as

00:41:03.140 interference

00:41:03.680 and

00:41:04.060 her

00:41:04.240 boss

00:41:04.560 questioning

00:41:05.040 the

00:41:05.260 DPP's

00:41:05.920 decision

00:41:06.420 Matthew

00:41:07.540 said

00:41:08.140 that

00:41:08.820 if

00:41:09.280 six

00:41:10.060 months

00:41:10.360 from

00:41:10.580 the

00:41:10.780 election

00:41:11.300 SNC

00:41:12.580 announces

00:41:13.280 they're

00:41:13.600 moving

00:41:13.860 their

00:41:14.100 headquarters

00:41:16.440 bad

00:41:16.740 he said

00:41:17.700 quote

00:41:18.160 we have

00:41:19.360 we can

00:41:20.220 have the

00:41:20.620 best policy

00:41:21.460 in the

00:41:22.000 world

00:41:22.320 but we

00:41:22.740 need to

00:41:23.160 get

00:41:23.360 reelected

00:41:24.160 end quote

00:41:24.980 there you

00:41:29.220 have it

00:41:29.840 do you see

00:41:31.420 the point

00:41:31.780 she's made

00:41:32.480 about four

00:41:32.880 times

00:41:33.280 if you're

00:41:33.980 talking about

00:41:34.420 job losses

00:41:35.100 if you're

00:41:35.780 talking about

00:41:36.200 the well

00:41:36.820 being of

00:41:37.200 our country

00:41:37.840 that is a

00:41:39.520 legitimate

00:41:39.900 public policy

00:41:40.780 question

00:41:41.240 for the

00:41:41.780 director of

00:41:42.200 public

00:41:42.440 prosecutions

00:41:42.960 to take

00:41:43.400 I believe

00:41:45.980 it

00:41:46.160 there is a

00:41:47.420 provision in

00:41:47.860 the law

00:41:48.140 for these

00:41:48.520 plea bargains

00:41:49.120 it was

00:41:50.540 taken into

00:41:51.040 account

00:41:51.460 frankly

00:41:53.160 like when

00:41:54.260 Enron went

00:41:54.940 broke

00:41:55.260 or Arthur

00:41:55.940 Anderson

00:41:56.300 went broke

00:41:56.880 a lot of

00:41:57.720 good people

00:41:58.120 who were

00:41:58.380 working those

00:41:58.780 companies

00:41:59.220 who weren't

00:42:00.100 crooks

00:42:00.420 they just

00:42:01.120 got other

00:42:01.400 jobs

00:42:01.940 the corporate

00:42:02.880 entity had

00:42:03.480 to be broken

00:42:03.900 up because

00:42:04.240 it was so

00:42:04.640 rotten to

00:42:05.040 the bone

00:42:05.360 if SNC

00:42:06.840 Labilan

00:42:07.240 leaves the

00:42:07.720 country

00:42:08.100 or is

00:42:08.580 broken up

00:42:09.080 there's a

00:42:09.680 lot of

00:42:09.860 good engineers

00:42:10.400 who will be

00:42:10.800 snapped up

00:42:11.300 right away

00:42:11.880 just the

00:42:12.880 corrupt

00:42:13.200 structure

00:42:13.780 and corporate

00:42:14.180 culture

00:42:14.480 will be

00:42:14.720 lost

00:42:15.080 so it

00:42:15.960 is legit

00:42:16.640 it's

00:42:16.940 legitimate

00:42:17.460 to say

00:42:17.920 don't

00:42:18.820 prosecute

00:42:19.400 this

00:42:19.720 company

00:42:20.900 because

00:42:21.260 the

00:42:21.500 disastrous

00:42:22.000 effect

00:42:22.440 on our

00:42:22.760 country

00:42:23.100 is too

00:42:23.460 large

00:42:23.720 you can

00:42:24.580 have that

00:42:24.860 debate

00:42:25.300 and they

00:42:26.380 did

00:42:26.660 and Jody

00:42:26.980 Wilson

00:42:27.220 said I

00:42:27.820 choose

00:42:28.040 justice

00:42:28.600 but you

00:42:30.320 cannot say

00:42:31.120 oh by the

00:42:31.660 way Justin

00:42:32.180 Trudeau is

00:42:32.700 personally

00:42:33.060 going for

00:42:33.500 re-election

00:42:34.020 in six

00:42:35.220 months

00:42:35.560 we can't

00:42:36.600 have this

00:42:37.080 because we

00:42:37.920 love Justin

00:42:38.640 Trudeau

00:42:39.040 and we

00:42:39.280 love the

00:42:39.640 liberal

00:42:39.860 party

00:42:40.220 do you

00:42:40.640 see the

00:42:41.080 difference

00:42:41.600 one is

00:42:42.520 a legitimate

00:42:42.960 public policy

00:42:43.720 issue

00:42:44.120 that the

00:42:44.720 attorney general

00:42:45.240 said I've

00:42:45.740 thought about

00:42:46.160 it I've

00:42:46.500 contemplated

00:42:47.100 it I'm

00:42:47.920 not persuaded

00:42:48.500 by it

00:42:48.920 prosecute

00:42:49.600 the others

00:42:51.000 come on

00:42:51.560 come on

00:42:52.340 I've got a

00:42:52.840 re-election

00:42:53.240 coming come on

00:42:54.180 come on

00:42:54.460 come on

00:42:54.920 no no no no

00:42:56.580 no no no

00:42:57.080 how impressive

00:42:58.420 is this woman

00:42:59.380 keep going

00:43:00.000 he said

00:43:01.620 he said

00:43:01.640 he said that

00:43:01.760 everybody knows

00:43:02.600 that this is

00:43:03.200 the attorney

00:43:03.620 general's

00:43:04.120 decision

00:43:04.560 but that

00:43:05.400 he wants

00:43:06.000 to make

00:43:06.380 sure that

00:43:06.760 all options

00:43:07.480 are being

00:43:07.920 canvassed

00:43:08.980 Matthew said

00:43:09.980 that if

00:43:10.640 at the end

00:43:11.420 of the day

00:43:11.960 the attorney

00:43:12.900 general is

00:43:13.500 not comfortable

00:43:14.380 that is

00:43:15.200 fine

00:43:15.580 he just

00:43:17.080 doesn't want

00:43:18.360 any doors

00:43:18.940 to be closed

00:43:19.720 Jessica

00:43:21.000 my chief of

00:43:21.620 staff said

00:43:22.160 that I

00:43:22.620 was always

00:43:23.320 happy to

00:43:23.940 speak to

00:43:24.320 him

00:43:24.640 should he

00:43:25.540 wish

00:43:25.940 in mid

00:43:27.700 November

00:43:28.140 the PMO

00:43:29.380 requested

00:43:29.840 that I

00:43:30.280 meet with

00:43:30.660 Matthew

00:43:30.940 Bouchard

00:43:31.480 and Elder

00:43:32.060 Marquez

00:43:32.500 to discuss

00:43:33.080 the matter

00:43:33.560 which I

00:43:34.760 did on

00:43:35.180 November

00:43:35.460 22nd

00:43:36.920 this meeting

00:43:41.060 was quite

00:43:41.500 long

00:43:41.880 I would

00:43:43.060 say about

00:43:43.440 an hour

00:43:43.820 and a half

00:43:44.400 I was

00:43:45.660 irritated by

00:43:46.420 having to

00:43:46.920 have the

00:43:47.300 meeting

00:43:47.580 as I

00:43:48.080 had already

00:43:48.700 told the

00:43:49.480 prime minister

00:43:50.040 etc

00:43:50.560 that a

00:43:51.300 DPA

00:43:51.760 on SNC

00:43:52.800 was not

00:43:53.300 going to

00:43:53.680 happen

00:43:54.020 that I

00:43:54.880 was not

00:43:55.300 going to

00:43:55.760 issue a

00:43:56.140 directive

00:43:56.600 Matthew

00:43:58.100 in this

00:43:58.440 meeting

00:43:58.640 did most

00:43:59.040 of the

00:43:59.240 talking

00:43:59.620 he was

00:44:00.380 trying to

00:44:00.740 tell me

00:44:01.060 that there

00:44:01.340 were

00:44:01.480 options

00:44:01.980 and that

00:44:02.660 I

00:44:02.960 needed to

00:44:03.400 find a

00:44:03.760 solution

00:44:04.120 I took

00:44:05.840 them through

00:44:06.160 the DPP

00:44:06.720 Act

00:44:08.200 section 15

00:44:09.680 section 10

00:44:10.460 and that

00:44:11.460 and talked

00:44:12.440 about the

00:44:13.080 prosecutorial

00:44:14.060 independence

00:44:14.680 as a

00:44:15.520 constitutional

00:44:16.220 principle

00:44:16.840 and that

00:44:18.180 they were

00:44:18.500 interfering

00:44:19.000 I talked

00:44:19.840 about the

00:44:20.480 section 13

00:44:21.180 note

00:44:21.560 which they

00:44:22.400 said they

00:44:22.820 had never

00:44:23.200 received

00:44:23.760 but I

00:44:24.520 reminded them

00:44:25.180 that we

00:44:25.560 sent it

00:44:25.900 to them

00:44:26.280 in September

00:44:27.120 Matthew

00:44:28.400 and Elder

00:44:28.880 continued to

00:44:29.480 plead their

00:44:29.800 case

00:44:30.180 talking about

00:44:31.200 if I'm

00:44:32.060 not sure

00:44:32.700 in my

00:44:33.280 decision

00:44:33.720 that we

00:44:34.640 could hire

00:44:35.060 an eminent

00:44:35.520 person to

00:44:36.240 advise me

00:44:36.860 they were

00:44:37.680 kicking the

00:44:38.120 tires

00:44:38.440 I said

00:44:39.480 no

00:44:39.720 my mind

00:44:41.160 had been

00:44:41.480 made up

00:44:41.920 and they

00:44:42.180 needed to

00:44:42.560 stop

00:44:42.920 this was

00:44:43.960 enough

00:44:44.280 I will

00:44:46.060 briefly pause

00:44:46.840 at this

00:44:47.360 moment to

00:44:48.020 comment on

00:44:48.900 my own

00:44:49.440 state of

00:44:50.200 mind

00:44:50.520 in my

00:44:52.180 role as

00:44:52.680 attorney

00:44:53.120 general

00:44:53.520 I had

00:44:54.340 received

00:44:54.800 the

00:44:55.100 decision

00:44:55.480 of the

00:44:56.240 DPP

00:44:56.620 in

00:44:56.900 September

00:44:57.380 had

00:44:58.220 reviewed

00:44:58.540 the

00:44:58.740 matter

00:44:59.040 made a

00:44:59.800 decision

00:45:00.140 on what

00:45:00.740 was

00:45:00.920 appropriate

00:45:01.480 given a

00:45:02.300 DPA

00:45:02.740 and

00:45:04.180 communicated

00:45:04.780 that to

00:45:05.200 the

00:45:05.320 prime

00:45:05.540 minister

00:45:05.880 I had

00:45:07.320 also

00:45:07.680 taken

00:45:08.060 additional

00:45:08.480 steps

00:45:08.920 that the

00:45:09.180 prime

00:45:09.340 minister

00:45:09.560 asked

00:45:09.980 me

00:45:10.140 to

00:45:10.360 such

00:45:10.800 as

00:45:11.060 meeting

00:45:11.300 with

00:45:11.560 the

00:45:11.720 clerk

00:45:12.020 in

00:45:13.500 my

00:45:13.780 view

00:45:14.020 the

00:45:14.220 communications

00:45:14.760 and efforts

00:45:15.680 to change

00:45:16.200 my mind

00:45:16.720 on this

00:45:17.100 matter

00:45:17.460 should

00:45:17.900 have

00:45:18.080 stopped

00:45:18.620 various

00:45:19.940 officials

00:45:20.420 also

00:45:20.880 urge

00:45:21.200 me

00:45:21.420 to

00:45:21.620 take

00:45:21.880 partisan

00:45:22.640 political

00:45:23.340 considerations

00:45:24.040 into

00:45:24.540 account

00:45:25.080 which

00:45:26.040 it was

00:45:26.280 clearly

00:45:26.720 improper

00:45:27.280 for me

00:45:27.800 to do

00:45:28.080 so

00:45:28.360 we

00:45:29.660 either

00:45:29.860 have

00:45:30.140 a

00:45:30.280 system

00:45:30.580 that

00:45:30.880 is

00:45:31.020 based

00:45:31.280 on

00:45:31.440 the

00:45:31.580 rule

00:45:31.780 of

00:45:31.940 law

00:45:32.240 the

00:45:32.940 independence

00:45:33.500 of

00:45:33.800 prosecutorial

00:45:34.440 functions

00:45:35.040 and

00:45:35.820 respect

00:45:36.280 for

00:45:36.560 those

00:45:37.100 charged

00:45:38.280 to

00:45:38.640 use

00:45:38.940 their

00:45:39.120 discretion

00:45:39.620 and

00:45:39.980 powers

00:45:40.360 in a

00:45:40.720 particular

00:45:41.060 way

00:45:41.560 or

00:45:41.980 we

00:45:42.160 do

00:45:42.340 not

00:45:42.660 while

00:45:44.100 in

00:45:44.220 our

00:45:44.320 system

00:45:44.580 of

00:45:44.780 government

00:45:45.120 policy

00:45:45.580 oriented

00:45:46.020 discussion

00:45:47.360 amongst

00:45:47.780 people

00:45:48.180 at

00:45:48.480 early

00:45:48.880 points

00:45:49.300 in

00:45:49.460 this

00:45:49.640 conversation

00:45:50.320 may

00:45:50.980 be

00:45:51.160 appropriate

00:45:51.700 that

00:45:52.860 consistent

00:45:53.540 and

00:45:54.100 enduring

00:45:54.540 efforts

00:45:55.220 even

00:45:55.600 in

00:45:55.760 the

00:45:55.900 face

00:45:56.240 of

00:45:56.460 judicial

00:45:56.800 proceedings

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00:46:15.880 5th

00:46:16.200 of

00:46:16.340 2018

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00:46:17.800 with

00:46:17.960 Jerry

00:46:18.200 Butts 0.82

00:46:18.660 we

00:46:19.520 had

00:46:19.660 both

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00:46:20.200 out

00:46:20.420 this

00:46:20.640 meeting

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00:46:25.560 SNC

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00:46:26.880 the

00:46:27.020 barrage

00:46:27.400 of

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00:46:32.740 chateau

00:46:33.040 lorraine

00:46:33.300 I just

00:46:34.480 want to

00:46:34.680 stop

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00:46:36.440 barrage

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00:46:41.660 I

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00:46:44.080 mentioned

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00:47:01.680 and

00:47:02.280 now

00:47:02.520 Gerald

00:47:02.900 Butz

00:47:03.240 the

00:47:03.420 godfather

00:47:04.120 of

00:47:04.740 the

00:47:04.900 Libranos

00:47:05.600 Gerald

00:47:06.400 Butz

00:47:06.720 the

00:47:06.880 fixer

00:47:07.480 the

00:47:07.780 smasher

00:47:08.900 the

00:47:09.100 basher

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00:47:38.300 election

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00:47:42.460 hook

00:47:42.580 for

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00:47:45.740 see

00:47:45.880 the

00:47:46.040 difference

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00:47:46.940 can

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00:47:48.020 of

00:47:48.200 10,000

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00:47:49.380 I

00:47:49.720 will

00:47:49.860 let

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00:47:50.120 criminal

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00:47:50.820 okay

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00:47:54.740 make

00:47:54.940 that

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00:48:06.180 139

00:48:06.800 2

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00:48:07.100 criminal

00:48:07.300 code

00:48:07.500 I'll

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00:48:07.940 you

00:48:08.020 a

00:48:08.080 little

00:48:08.160 bit

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00:48:09.760 come

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00:48:13.260 is

00:48:13.380 Gerald

00:48:13.660 Butz

00:48:14.040 he

00:48:14.360 thinks

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00:48:26.240 Trudeau

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00:48:32.740 himself

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00:48:37.420 Gerald

00:48:37.960 Butz

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00:48:39.020 say

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00:48:39.460 the

00:48:39.600 matter

00:48:39.740 was

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00:48:40.960 matter

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00:48:41.300 done

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00:48:43.560 did

00:48:43.680 Gerald

00:48:43.900 Butz

00:48:44.120 have

00:48:48.920 everybody

00:48:49.260 to

00:48:49.660 stop

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00:48:50.760 me

00:48:50.940 about

00:48:51.280 SNC

00:48:52.100 as

00:48:52.660 I

00:48:52.780 had

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00:48:53.400 mind

00:48:53.860 and

00:48:54.180 the

00:48:54.320 engagements

00:48:54.760 were

00:48:55.100 inappropriate

00:48:55.720 Jerry

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00:48:58.100 conversation

00:48:58.720 and said

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00:49:01.200 SNC

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00:49:03.060 said

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00:49:11.340 I

00:49:11.480 gave

00:49:11.680 the

00:49:11.860 clerk

00:49:12.040 the

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00:49:28.760 law

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00:49:31.980 7th

00:49:32.460 I

00:49:32.920 received

00:49:33.200 a letter

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00:49:33.640 the

00:49:33.780 Prime

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00:49:36.100 I

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00:49:36.960 you

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00:49:51.280 and

00:49:52.680 Gerald

00:49:52.960 Butts 0.82

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00:49:53.500 oh

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00:49:55.460 law

00:49:55.740 that's

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00:49:56.280 Harper

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00:50:09.840 Chagger

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00:50:15.740 Miriam

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00:50:17.660 Bill

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00:50:48.580 government

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00:50:49.440 my

00:50:49.600 God

00:50:49.880 she

00:50:50.060 spoke

00:50:50.380 truth

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00:50:50.800 power

00:50:51.040 keep

00:50:57.140 I

00:51:00.320 responded

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00:51:00.900 the

00:51:01.020 prime

00:51:01.220 minister's

00:51:01.640 letter

00:51:01.800 on

00:51:02.040 December

00:51:02.380 6

00:51:03.120 noting

00:51:03.960 that

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00:51:04.220 matter

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00:51:04.980 court

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00:51:05.660 cannot

00:51:05.860 comment

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00:51:06.760 and

00:51:07.000 that

00:51:07.160 the

00:51:07.280 decision

00:51:07.660 re

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00:51:08.260 DPA

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00:51:09.480 one

00:51:09.780 for

00:51:10.000 the

00:51:10.180 DPP

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00:51:12.500 my

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00:51:13.120 this

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00:51:14.700 me

00:51:14.900 to

00:51:15.080 the

00:51:15.240 final

00:51:15.620 events

00:51:16.380 in

00:51:16.680 the

00:51:16.800 chronology

00:51:17.480 the

00:51:18.300 ones

00:51:18.580 that

00:51:18.800 signal

00:51:19.220 in

00:51:19.640 my

00:51:19.920 experience

00:51:20.780 the

00:51:21.660 final

00:51:22.060 escalation

00:51:22.820 in

00:51:23.120 efforts

00:51:23.480 by

00:51:23.680 the

00:51:23.840 prime

00:51:24.040 minister's

00:51:24.460 office

00:51:24.700 to

00:51:25.000 interfere

00:51:25.440 in

00:51:27.140 on

00:51:27.560 December

00:51:27.860 18

00:51:28.260 of

00:51:28.500 2018

00:51:29.400 my

00:51:29.820 chief

00:51:30.080 of

00:51:30.240 staff

00:51:30.520 was

00:51:30.720 urgently

00:51:31.140 summoned

00:51:31.560 to

00:51:31.780 a

00:51:31.920 meeting

00:51:32.200 with

00:51:32.640 Jerry

00:51:32.880 Butz

00:51:33.280 and

00:51:33.500 Katie

00:51:33.780 Telford

00:51:34.240 to

00:51:34.440 discuss

00:51:34.880 SNC

00:51:35.620 they

00:51:36.860 wanted

00:51:37.080 to

00:51:37.260 know

00:51:37.560 where

00:51:37.960 I

00:51:38.440 me

00:51:38.840 am

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00:51:39.700 in

00:51:39.860 terms

00:51:40.140 of

00:51:40.300 finding

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00:51:40.720 solution

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00:51:42.280 told

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00:51:43.200 felt

00:51:43.500 like

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00:51:43.880 issue

00:51:44.140 was

00:51:44.340 getting

00:51:44.620 worse

00:51:45.060 and

00:51:45.980 that

00:51:46.220 I

00:51:46.400 was

00:51:46.540 not

00:51:46.800 doing

00:51:47.220 anything

00:51:47.740 they

00:51:49.780 referenced

00:51:50.160 a

00:51:50.340 possible

00:51:50.700 call

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00:51:51.160 the

00:51:51.280 prime

00:51:51.480 minister

00:51:51.760 and

00:51:52.080 the

00:51:52.240 clerk

00:51:52.460 the

00:51:52.660 next

00:51:52.880 day

00:51:53.160 I

00:51:54.600 will

00:51:54.700 now

00:51:54.880 read

00:51:55.080 to

00:51:55.220 you

00:51:55.360 a

00:51:55.500 transcript

00:51:55.900 of

00:51:56.560 the

00:51:56.800 most

00:51:57.000 relevant

00:51:57.420 sections

00:51:58.020 of

00:51:58.660 a

00:51:58.820 text

00:51:59.060 conversation

00:51:59.680 between

00:52:00.100 my

00:52:00.360 chief

00:52:00.600 of

00:52:00.760 staff

00:52:01.140 and

00:52:01.420 I

00:52:01.660 almost

00:52:02.060 immediately

00:52:02.500 after

00:52:03.000 that

00:52:03.500 meeting

00:52:03.860 Jessica

00:52:05.400 basically

00:52:06.760 they

00:52:06.980 want

00:52:07.160 a

00:52:07.280 solution

00:52:07.640 nothing

00:52:08.140 new

00:52:08.500 they

00:52:08.820 want

00:52:08.980 external

00:52:09.360 counsel

00:52:09.900 retained

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00:52:12.540 whether

00:52:12.780 you

00:52:13.260 can

00:52:13.740 review

00:52:14.160 the

00:52:14.320 DPP's

00:52:15.060 decision

00:52:15.440 here

00:52:15.960 and

00:52:16.460 whether

00:52:16.660 you

00:52:16.920 should

00:52:17.260 in

00:52:17.460 this

00:52:17.640 case

00:52:18.060 I

00:52:18.980 told

00:52:19.260 them

00:52:19.580 that

00:52:20.080 would

00:52:20.380 be

00:52:20.580 interference

00:52:21.380 Jerry

00:52:22.400 said

00:52:22.780 quote

00:52:23.260 Jess

00:52:23.960 there

00:52:24.340 is

00:52:24.560 no

00:52:24.740 solution

00:52:25.220 here

00:52:25.560 that

00:52:26.060 does

00:52:26.360 not

00:52:26.620 involve

00:52:27.080 some

00:52:27.520 interference

00:52:28.220 end

00:52:28.540 quote

00:52:28.860 there

00:52:30.740 is

00:52:30.880 no

00:52:31.080 solution

00:52:31.580 here

00:52:31.960 that

00:52:32.520 does

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00:52:33.000 involve

00:52:33.460 some

00:52:34.060 interference

00:52:34.580 that's

00:52:37.460 wrong

00:52:37.680 of course

00:52:38.280 Jody

00:52:39.340 Wilson

00:52:39.580 and

00:52:39.680 Rabold

00:52:39.880 chose 0.56

00:52:40.320 the

00:52:40.520 solution

00:52:40.980 that

00:52:41.520 does

00:52:41.720 not

00:52:41.960 involve

00:52:42.460 interference

00:52:42.960 it's

00:52:43.320 called

00:52:43.620 the

00:52:44.300 rule

00:52:44.500 of

00:52:44.620 law

00:52:44.880 let

00:52:45.100 the

00:52:45.300 courts

00:52:45.600 decide

00:52:46.080 who

00:52:46.500 knows

00:52:46.820 maybe

00:52:47.080 the

00:52:47.260 department

00:52:47.620 of

00:52:47.800 public

00:52:48.060 prosecutions

00:52:48.680 the director

00:52:49.040 of public

00:52:49.360 prosecutions

00:52:49.920 will

00:52:50.640 fail

00:52:51.260 and maybe

00:52:51.740 SNC

00:52:52.400 will be

00:52:53.040 acquitted

00:52:53.580 that's a

00:52:54.600 possible

00:52:54.880 outcome

00:52:55.240 I think

00:52:55.620 we all

00:52:55.860 know

00:52:55.980 that's

00:52:56.160 not

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00:52:56.400 to

00:52:56.480 happen

00:52:56.680 so

00:52:57.180 no

00:52:57.880 interference

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00:52:58.560 necessary

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00:53:00.040 lawful

00:53:00.780 judicial

00:53:01.280 solution

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00:53:02.880 is

00:53:03.040 what

00:53:03.260 the

00:53:03.480 little

00:53:03.660 people

00:53:03.940 get

00:53:04.220 but

00:53:04.680 Gerald

00:53:05.060 Butz

00:53:05.460 was

00:53:06.060 saying

00:53:06.620 in the

00:53:06.960 plainest

00:53:07.380 language

00:53:07.740 possible

00:53:08.300 we're

00:53:09.420 going

00:53:09.560 to

00:53:09.660 interfere

00:53:10.020 one

00:53:10.380 way

00:53:10.620 or

00:53:10.720 another

00:53:10.900 there's

00:53:11.160 no

00:53:11.320 solution

00:53:11.680 here

00:53:11.860 that

00:53:11.980 doesn't

00:53:12.240 have

00:53:12.500 interference

00:53:12.980 go

00:53:14.260 to

00:53:14.420 jail

00:53:14.680 Gerald

00:53:15.060 Butz

00:53:15.500 do

00:53:15.720 not

00:53:16.060 pass

00:53:16.500 go

00:53:16.800 do

00:53:17.180 not

00:53:17.420 collect

00:53:17.760 $200

00:53:18.140 go

00:53:18.800 to

00:53:19.000 jail

00:53:19.260 you

00:53:19.460 criminal

00:53:19.800 section

00:53:20.160 139

00:53:20.900 2

00:53:21.200 of

00:53:21.320 the

00:53:21.400 criminal

00:53:21.640 code

00:53:21.900 I'll

00:53:22.040 read

00:53:22.200 it

00:53:22.320 later

00:53:22.500 keep

00:53:22.880 watching

00:53:23.160 Jody

00:53:23.380 Wilson

00:53:23.560 Raibold

00:53:23.840 at least

00:53:25.720 they are

00:53:25.920 finally

00:53:26.180 being

00:53:26.480 honest

00:53:26.920 about

00:53:27.280 what

00:53:27.520 they

00:53:27.680 are

00:53:27.800 asking

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00:53:28.360 to

00:53:28.540 do

00:53:28.800 don't

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00:53:30.280 the

00:53:30.420 PPSC

00:53:31.000 independence

00:53:31.660 Katie

00:53:33.140 was

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00:53:35.420 to

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00:53:36.620 anymore

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00:53:41.380 lawyers

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00:53:43.440 solution

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00:53:46.820 text

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00:54:09.560 the

00:54:09.660 prime

00:54:09.860 minister

00:54:10.120 and

00:54:10.260 the

00:54:10.400 clerk

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00:54:12.360 said

00:54:12.560 that

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00:54:12.800 course

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00:54:14.140 your

00:54:14.260 boss

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00:54:18.920 Canada

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00:54:19.720 to

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00:54:20.660 this

00:54:21.000 Katie

00:54:22.440 Telford

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00:54:23.880 us

00:54:24.180 cover

00:54:24.560 in

00:54:24.720 the

00:54:33.120 if

00:54:33.580 Jodi

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00:54:40.960 she

00:54:41.140 is

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00:54:41.740 proper

00:54:42.140 end

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00:54:42.800 oh did

00:54:45.380 you catch

00:54:45.820 that

00:54:46.320 um

00:54:47.640 hey

00:54:48.020 Jodi

00:54:48.620 if

00:54:50.260 you're

00:54:50.460 feeling a

00:54:50.780 little

00:54:50.880 uncomfortable

00:54:51.380 about

00:54:51.740 breaking

00:54:52.020 the

00:54:52.180 law

00:54:52.380 you know

00:54:53.620 the

00:54:54.000 first

00:54:54.280 time

00:54:54.520 you

00:54:54.660 do

00:54:54.820 it

00:54:54.940 we

00:54:55.220 all

00:54:55.480 feel

00:54:55.760 that

00:54:55.980 way

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00:54:58.060 if

00:54:58.260 we

00:54:58.400 can

00:54:58.560 help

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00:54:58.880 break

00:54:59.140 the

00:54:59.300 law

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00:55:00.200 got

00:55:00.440 some

00:55:00.720 friends

00:55:01.200 in

00:55:01.400 the

00:55:01.560 media

00:55:01.920 and

00:55:02.700 we

00:55:02.940 can

00:55:03.140 get

00:55:03.380 a

00:55:03.580 lot

00:55:03.920 of

00:55:04.080 columns

00:55:04.580 saying

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00:55:05.520 didn't

00:55:05.720 break

00:55:05.900 the

00:55:06.060 law

00:55:06.220 you

00:55:06.420 were

00:55:06.580 being

00:55:06.820 a

00:55:07.060 real

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00:55:10.580 hear

00:55:11.120 that

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00:55:12.500 said

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00:55:13.220 worry

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00:55:14.160 a lot

00:55:14.360 of

00:55:14.440 people

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00:55:15.020 did

00:55:15.140 the

00:55:15.260 right

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00:55:17.700 what

00:55:17.840 595

00:55:18.520 million

00:55:18.820 dollars

00:55:19.120 in

00:55:19.340 bailout

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00:55:20.460 does

00:55:20.980 wow

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00:55:23.060 on

00:55:24.420 December

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00:55:24.860 19th

00:55:25.420 2018

00:55:26.020 I

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00:55:28.660 the

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00:55:39.960 staff

00:55:40.260 I

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00:55:40.620 determined

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00:55:47.400 the

00:55:47.620 clerk

00:55:47.840 and

00:55:48.120 I

00:55:48.300 discussed

00:55:48.840 the

00:55:50.460 clerk

00:55:50.640 said

00:55:50.900 he

00:55:51.000 was

00:55:51.120 calling

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00:55:51.740 DPAs

00:55:52.840 SNC

00:55:53.840 he

00:55:54.380 said

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00:55:54.620 wanted

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00:56:00.520 the

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00:56:07.620 that

00:56:07.720 the

00:56:07.800 prime

00:56:08.000 minister

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00:56:12.660 legitimate

00:56:12.960 toolbox

00:56:13.600 the

00:56:15.300 clerk

00:56:15.560 said

00:56:15.860 that

00:56:15.980 the

00:56:16.100 prime

00:56:16.320 minister

00:56:16.660 is

00:56:17.220 quite

00:56:17.480 determined

00:56:17.960 quite

00:56:19.220 firm

00:56:19.600 but

00:56:20.140 he

00:56:20.240 wants

00:56:20.500 to

00:56:20.680 know

00:56:20.860 why

00:56:21.060 the

00:56:21.200 DPA

00:56:21.580 route

00:56:22.020 which

00:56:22.460 parliament

00:56:22.880 provided

00:56:23.520 for

00:56:23.920 isn't

00:56:24.320 being

00:56:24.620 used

00:56:25.100 he

00:56:25.960 said

00:56:26.200 quote

00:56:26.600 I

00:56:27.360 think

00:56:27.560 he

00:56:27.660 is

00:56:34.560 in

00:56:35.420 that

00:56:35.720 kind

00:56:36.040 of

00:56:36.200 mood

00:56:36.500 and

00:56:37.000 I

00:56:37.140 wanted

00:56:37.420 you

00:56:37.700 to

00:56:37.880 be

00:56:38.060 aware

00:56:38.340 of

00:56:38.520 it

00:56:38.780 end

00:56:39.640 quote

00:56:39.920 he's

00:56:42.240 going

00:56:42.380 to

00:56:42.460 get

00:56:42.600 it

00:56:42.720 done

00:56:42.920 one

00:56:43.120 way

00:56:43.280 or

00:56:43.380 another

00:56:43.660 he's

00:56:44.940 in

00:56:45.060 that

00:56:45.200 kind

00:56:45.400 of

00:56:45.520 mood

00:56:45.780 you

00:56:45.960 know

00:56:46.100 how

00:56:46.260 he

00:56:46.400 gets

00:56:46.760 he's

00:56:49.300 going

00:56:49.460 to

00:56:49.580 get

00:56:49.740 it

00:56:49.860 done

00:56:50.080 one

00:56:50.420 way

00:56:50.660 or

00:56:50.780 another

00:56:51.060 so

00:56:51.480 you're

00:56:51.700 going

00:56:51.780 to

00:56:51.900 do

00:56:52.040 the

00:56:52.240 hard

00:56:52.480 way

00:56:52.720 or

00:56:53.000 you're

00:56:53.200 going

00:56:53.280 to

00:56:53.360 do

00:56:53.480 it

00:56:53.580 the

00:56:53.720 easy

00:56:54.120 way

00:56:54.600 think

00:57:00.240 back

00:57:00.760 just a

00:57:01.460 few

00:57:01.600 weeks

00:57:01.860 ago

00:57:02.120 to

00:57:02.580 the

00:57:02.800 lies

00:57:03.360 that

00:57:03.600 Trudeau

00:57:04.000 told

00:57:04.600 with

00:57:05.340 that

00:57:05.600 winning

00:57:06.220 smile

00:57:06.920 oh no

00:57:07.480 there's

00:57:07.840 no

00:57:08.040 pressure

00:57:08.580 no

00:57:09.280 no

00:57:09.520 you

00:57:09.700 can

00:57:09.860 tell

00:57:10.060 she

00:57:10.240 supports

00:57:10.680 me

00:57:11.020 what

00:57:12.260 a

00:57:12.580 liar

00:57:13.100 what

00:57:14.340 a

00:57:14.600 liar

00:57:15.140 keep

00:57:16.020 rolling

00:57:16.240 the

00:57:18.380 clerk

00:57:18.600 said

00:57:19.060 he

00:57:19.460 didn't

00:57:19.820 know

00:57:20.140 if

00:57:20.360 the

00:57:20.460 prime

00:57:20.640 minister

00:57:20.920 was

00:57:21.120 planning

00:57:21.380 on

00:57:21.620 calling

00:57:21.900 me

00:57:22.120 directly

00:57:22.540 or

00:57:23.480 if

00:57:24.240 he

00:57:24.460 if

00:57:24.820 is

00:57:25.260 thinking

00:57:25.520 about

00:57:25.880 getting

00:57:26.160 somebody

00:57:26.680 else

00:57:27.120 to

00:57:27.300 give

00:57:27.460 him

00:57:27.640 some

00:57:27.860 advice

00:57:28.380 you

00:57:29.460 know

00:57:29.600 he

00:57:29.800 does

00:57:30.040 not

00:57:30.300 want

00:57:30.600 to

00:57:30.700 do

00:57:30.800 anything

00:57:31.080 outside

00:57:31.500 of

00:57:31.740 the

00:57:31.860 box

00:57:32.280 of

00:57:32.580 what

00:57:32.800 is

00:57:33.040 legal

00:57:33.320 or

00:57:33.540 proper

00:57:33.940 he

00:57:35.080 said

00:57:35.180 that

00:57:35.280 the

00:57:35.380 prime

00:57:35.600 minister

00:57:35.840 wants

00:57:36.120 to

00:57:36.280 understand

00:57:36.800 more

00:57:37.200 to

00:57:37.600 give

00:57:37.780 him

00:57:37.900 advice

00:57:38.300 on

00:57:38.640 this

00:57:38.980 or

00:57:39.280 give

00:57:39.740 you

00:57:40.620 advice

00:57:41.160 on

00:57:41.480 this

00:57:41.740 if

00:57:42.020 you

00:57:42.320 want

00:57:42.720 to

00:57:42.880 feel

00:57:43.080 more

00:57:43.340 comfortable

00:57:43.820 you

00:57:44.160 are

00:57:44.300 not

00:57:44.560 doing

00:57:44.800 anything

00:57:45.200 inappropriate

00:57:45.780 or

00:57:46.480 outside

00:57:47.080 the

00:57:47.420 frame

00:57:47.820 I

00:57:49.380 told

00:57:49.620 the

00:57:49.800 clerk

00:57:50.000 that

00:57:50.220 I

00:57:50.320 was

00:57:50.460 100%

00:57:51.320 confident

00:57:51.800 that

00:57:52.180 I

00:57:52.320 was

00:57:52.500 doing

00:57:52.780 nothing

00:57:53.380 inappropriate

00:57:53.900 I

00:57:54.940 again

00:57:55.220 reiterated

00:57:55.780 my

00:57:56.080 confidence

00:57:57.520 in

00:57:58.840 where

00:57:59.160 I

00:57:59.880 am

00:58:00.160 in

00:58:00.280 my

00:58:00.480 views

00:58:00.960 on

00:58:01.260 SNC

00:58:02.000 and

00:58:02.540 the

00:58:02.680 DPA

00:58:03.200 have

00:58:03.560 not

00:58:03.800 changed

00:58:04.360 I

00:58:05.140 reiterated

00:58:05.520 this

00:58:05.680 is

00:58:05.800 a

00:58:05.920 constitutional

00:58:06.460 principle

00:58:07.080 of

00:58:07.580 prosecutorial

00:58:08.320 independence

00:58:08.940 I

00:58:10.200 warned

00:58:10.520 the

00:58:10.740 clerk

00:58:10.940 in

00:58:11.120 this

00:58:11.300 meeting

00:58:11.660 that

00:58:12.080 he

00:58:12.300 was

00:58:12.580 in

00:58:12.840 this

00:58:13.020 call

00:58:13.320 that

00:58:13.500 that

00:58:14.060 we

00:58:14.380 were

00:58:14.560 treading

00:58:14.880 on

00:58:15.080 dangerous

00:58:15.540 ground

00:58:15.960 here

00:58:16.300 I

00:58:17.060 also

00:58:17.340 issued

00:58:17.680 a

00:58:17.860 stern

00:58:18.100 warning

00:58:18.540 because

00:58:18.880 as

00:58:19.320 the

00:58:19.480 attorney

00:58:19.780 general

00:58:20.240 I

00:58:20.780 cannot

00:58:21.040 act

00:58:21.580 in

00:58:21.700 a

00:58:21.820 manner

00:58:22.160 and

00:58:22.840 the

00:58:22.960 prosecution

00:58:23.500 cannot

00:58:23.960 act

00:58:24.400 in

00:58:24.500 a

00:58:24.640 manner

00:58:24.860 that

00:58:25.100 is

00:58:25.280 not

00:58:25.540 objective

00:58:26.000 that

00:58:26.600 isn't

00:58:26.840 independent

00:58:27.380 I

00:58:28.100 cannot

00:58:28.320 act

00:58:28.740 in

00:58:28.840 a

00:58:28.940 partisan

00:58:29.260 way

00:58:29.560 and

00:58:29.700 I

00:58:29.840 cannot

00:58:30.040 be

00:58:30.360 politically

00:58:30.760 motivated

00:58:31.320 this

00:58:32.360 all

00:58:32.580 screams

00:58:33.120 of

00:58:33.340 that

00:58:33.580 the

00:58:34.940 clerk

00:58:35.140 wondered

00:58:35.580 whether

00:58:35.920 anyone

00:58:36.460 could

00:58:36.740 speak

00:58:37.000 to

00:58:37.140 the

00:58:37.280 director

00:58:37.600 about

00:58:37.920 the

00:58:38.080 context

00:58:38.700 around

00:58:39.480 this

00:58:40.040 or

00:58:40.560 get

00:58:40.800 her

00:58:41.040 to

00:58:41.280 explain

00:58:41.760 her

00:58:42.000 reasonings

00:58:42.660 the

00:58:44.480 clerk

00:58:44.660 told

00:58:44.900 me

00:58:45.040 that

00:58:45.220 he

00:58:45.360 was

00:58:45.560 going

00:58:45.920 to

00:58:46.420 have

00:58:46.720 to

00:58:46.900 report

00:58:47.280 back

00:58:47.660 to

00:58:47.840 the

00:58:47.960 prime

00:58:48.180 minister

00:58:48.540 before

00:58:48.960 he

00:58:49.200 leaves

00:58:49.660 he

00:58:50.600 said

00:58:50.800 again

00:58:51.160 that

00:58:51.540 the

00:58:51.700 prime

00:58:51.940 minister

00:58:52.300 was

00:58:52.640 in

00:58:52.900 a

00:58:53.120 pretty

00:58:53.380 firm

00:58:53.940 frame

00:58:54.500 of

00:58:54.860 mind

00:58:55.320 and

00:58:56.100 this

00:58:56.580 on

00:58:57.640 this

00:58:57.900 about

00:58:58.200 this

00:58:58.640 and

00:58:59.160 that

00:58:59.400 he

00:58:59.660 was

00:58:59.900 a

00:59:00.060 bit

00:59:00.200 worried

00:59:00.640 I

00:59:01.940 want

00:59:03.760 to

00:59:03.840 remind

00:59:04.120 you

00:59:04.260 who

00:59:04.380 this

00:59:04.560 clerk

00:59:04.880 is

00:59:05.420 because

00:59:06.300 we

00:59:06.420 hear

00:59:06.520 the

00:59:06.660 clerk

00:59:06.900 it

00:59:07.160 sounds

00:59:07.440 like

00:59:07.600 such

00:59:07.740 a

00:59:07.900 modest

00:59:08.140 position

00:59:08.540 the

00:59:08.700 clerk

00:59:08.980 like

00:59:09.760 you

00:59:09.880 go

00:59:09.980 to

00:59:10.080 a

00:59:10.220 store

00:59:10.440 in

00:59:10.580 the

00:59:10.700 front

00:59:10.900 clerk

00:59:11.240 or

00:59:11.400 the

00:59:11.520 bank

00:59:11.800 clerk

00:59:12.180 the

00:59:12.580 clerk

00:59:12.900 is

00:59:13.360 the

00:59:13.480 clerk

00:59:13.660 of

00:59:13.760 the

00:59:13.860 Privy

00:59:14.040 Council

00:59:14.540 it's

00:59:15.340 the

00:59:15.520 most

00:59:15.860 senior

00:59:16.560 civil

00:59:18.000 servant

00:59:18.420 but

00:59:18.860 utterly

00:59:19.800 utterly

00:59:20.680 partisan

00:59:21.220 in

00:59:21.560 this

00:59:21.700 case

00:59:22.060 doing

00:59:23.680 the

00:59:23.840 bidding

00:59:24.040 of

00:59:24.220 the

00:59:24.320 Quebec

00:59:24.580 Liberal

00:59:25.000 Party

00:59:25.360 or

00:59:25.500 the

00:59:25.600 Liberal

00:59:25.760 Party

00:59:26.020 in

00:59:26.320 Canada

00:59:26.660 I

00:59:28.220 want

00:59:28.360 to

00:59:28.480 show

00:59:28.780 you

00:59:28.980 just

00:59:29.280 a

00:59:29.480 clip

00:59:29.940 of

00:59:30.780 the

00:59:31.000 clerk

00:59:31.340 in

00:59:32.960 this

00:59:33.240 same

00:59:33.540 committee

00:59:33.880 a few

00:59:34.280 days

00:59:34.640 ago

00:59:35.060 screaming 0.51

00:59:36.980 at the

00:59:37.420 world

00:59:37.860 calling

00:59:38.760 it

00:59:39.000 anonymous

00:59:39.500 rumors

00:59:40.000 gossip

00:59:40.600 defamation

00:59:41.720 talking

00:59:42.480 about

00:59:42.760 Twitter

00:59:43.140 trolls

00:59:43.540 saying

00:59:43.880 if

00:59:44.060 people

00:59:44.540 keep

00:59:44.800 asking

00:59:45.140 questions

00:59:45.760 there

00:59:46.040 might

00:59:46.200 be

00:59:46.360 an

00:59:46.520 assassination

00:59:47.780 saying

00:59:49.100 that

00:59:49.320 comments

00:59:49.860 on

00:59:50.060 Twitter

00:59:50.320 are

00:59:50.620 vomit

00:59:51.580 it

00:59:51.800 was

00:59:52.000 the

00:59:52.160 most

00:59:52.400 insane

00:59:53.120 misconduct

00:59:53.840 I've

00:59:54.080 ever

00:59:54.240 seen

00:59:54.600 of

00:59:55.060 any

00:59:55.240 so

00:59:55.540 called

00:59:55.880 independent

00:59:56.620 civil

00:59:57.460 servant

00:59:57.860 and

00:59:59.400 I

00:59:59.620 think

01:00:00.000 everyone

01:00:00.240 was

01:00:00.500 shocked

01:00:01.060 well

01:00:01.880 now

01:00:02.120 we

01:00:02.360 know

01:00:02.680 why

01:00:03.440 he

01:00:04.680 wasn't

01:00:05.060 worried

01:00:05.340 about

01:00:05.640 being

01:00:05.920 a

01:00:06.220 witness

01:00:07.480 he

01:00:09.600 was

01:00:09.760 worried

01:00:10.040 about

01:00:10.320 being

01:00:10.580 a

01:00:10.860 suspect

01:00:11.700 he

01:00:12.960 himself

01:00:13.540 got

01:00:13.840 his

01:00:14.060 hands

01:00:14.560 dirty

01:00:15.480 in

01:00:16.100 these

01:00:16.320 bad

01:00:16.780 immoral

01:00:18.120 unethical

01:00:19.060 illegal

01:00:21.080 acts

01:00:21.820 take a

01:00:22.540 look at

01:00:22.880 this

01:00:23.120 grotesque

01:00:23.920 man

01:00:24.380 the

01:00:25.580 global

01:00:25.800 mail

01:00:26.060 article

01:00:26.460 contains

01:00:27.240 errors

01:00:28.840 unfounded

01:00:30.360 speculation

01:00:31.060 and

01:00:32.160 in

01:00:32.240 some

01:00:32.400 cases

01:00:32.760 simply

01:00:33.140 defamatory

01:00:33.760 in

01:00:34.300 my

01:00:34.780 observation

01:00:35.460 and

01:00:35.720 my

01:00:35.900 experience

01:00:36.480 they

01:00:36.720 have

01:00:36.880 always

01:00:37.580 always

01:00:38.380 conducted

01:00:38.880 themselves

01:00:39.340 to the

01:00:39.700 highest

01:00:40.080 standards

01:00:40.780 of

01:00:41.280 integrity

01:00:41.740 you may

01:00:42.560 not like

01:00:42.920 their

01:00:43.080 politics

01:00:43.560 or their

01:00:43.900 policies

01:00:44.380 or their

01:00:44.800 tweets

01:00:45.160 but they

01:00:46.160 have always

01:00:46.720 been guided

01:00:47.340 by trying

01:00:47.840 to do

01:00:48.140 the right

01:00:48.600 thing

01:00:49.000 indicated

01:00:49.700 that it

01:00:50.460 was entirely

01:00:51.100 her call

01:00:51.920 to make

01:00:52.300 that she

01:00:52.680 was the

01:00:53.080 decider

01:00:53.600 and that

01:00:54.380 is a

01:00:54.680 message

01:00:55.400 that the

01:00:57.960 prime minister

01:00:58.880 conveyed to

01:00:59.480 the minister

01:00:59.960 on every

01:01:01.200 situation

01:01:01.920 that I'm

01:01:02.400 aware of

01:01:02.900 that it

01:01:03.280 came up

01:01:03.600 I worry

01:01:04.380 about the

01:01:04.940 rising tide

01:01:05.740 of incitements

01:01:06.400 to violence

01:01:07.040 when people

01:01:08.220 use terms

01:01:09.040 like treason

01:01:09.760 and traitor

01:01:10.520 in open

01:01:11.000 discourse

01:01:11.440 those are

01:01:12.360 the words

01:01:12.740 that lead

01:01:13.180 to assassination

01:01:13.800 I'm worried

01:01:14.820 that somebody

01:01:15.240 is going

01:01:15.440 to be shot

01:01:15.900 in this

01:01:16.240 country

01:01:16.460 this year

01:01:16.860 during the

01:01:17.300 political

01:01:17.560 campaign

01:01:18.100 yeah

01:01:18.960 that's the

01:01:20.080 clerk

01:01:20.340 I think

01:01:21.240 we know

01:01:21.620 what was

01:01:21.940 agitating

01:01:22.460 him

01:01:22.660 he's not

01:01:23.280 worried about

01:01:23.800 assassination

01:01:24.860 where did

01:01:25.540 that come

01:01:26.020 from

01:01:26.260 other than

01:01:27.840 the political

01:01:28.320 assassination

01:01:28.920 of his own

01:01:29.500 boss

01:01:29.800 all right

01:01:30.060 back to

01:01:30.340 Jody Wilson

01:01:30.700 Wable

01:01:30.960 asked what

01:01:32.100 he's worried

01:01:32.580 about

01:01:32.980 the clerk

01:01:34.480 then made

01:01:35.060 the comment

01:01:35.720 about how

01:01:36.740 it is not

01:01:37.260 good for

01:01:37.820 the prime

01:01:38.220 minister

01:01:38.520 and his

01:01:38.980 attorney

01:01:39.280 general

01:01:39.660 to be

01:01:40.120 at

01:01:40.360 loggerheads

01:01:40.920 I told

01:01:43.840 the clerk

01:01:44.280 that I was

01:01:44.980 giving him

01:01:45.380 my best

01:01:45.900 advice

01:01:46.320 and that

01:01:46.640 if he

01:01:46.960 did not

01:01:47.380 accept

01:01:47.940 that

01:01:48.740 advice

01:01:49.320 then it

01:01:50.120 is the

01:01:50.640 prime

01:01:50.880 minister's

01:01:51.440 prerogative

01:01:52.020 to do

01:01:52.740 what he

01:01:53.040 wants

01:01:53.560 but I

01:01:54.460 am trying

01:01:54.840 to protect

01:01:55.300 the prime

01:01:55.700 minister

01:01:55.940 from political

01:01:56.600 interference

01:01:57.120 or perceived

01:01:58.360 political

01:01:58.920 interference

01:01:59.480 or otherwise

01:02:00.280 the clerk

01:02:01.760 acknowledged

01:02:02.280 that

01:02:02.700 but said

01:02:03.660 that the

01:02:04.240 prime

01:02:04.520 minister

01:02:04.900 does not

01:02:05.880 have the

01:02:06.240 power

01:02:06.560 to do

01:02:06.940 what he

01:02:07.260 wants

01:02:07.720 all the

01:02:08.640 tools

01:02:09.040 are in

01:02:09.500 my hands

01:02:10.140 he said

01:02:10.620 I said

01:02:12.900 that I was

01:02:13.200 having thoughts

01:02:13.980 of the

01:02:14.520 Saturday

01:02:14.840 night

01:02:15.200 massacre

01:02:15.680 but that

01:02:17.220 I was

01:02:17.560 confident

01:02:18.060 that I

01:02:18.960 had given

01:02:19.440 the prime

01:02:19.840 minister

01:02:20.100 my best

01:02:20.740 advice

01:02:21.180 to protect

01:02:21.760 him

01:02:22.100 and to

01:02:22.880 protect

01:02:23.140 the

01:02:23.360 constitutional

01:02:23.980 principle

01:02:25.200 of prosecutorial

01:02:26.120 independence

01:02:26.800 the clerk

01:02:28.620 said that

01:02:29.080 he was

01:02:29.400 worried

01:02:29.780 about a

01:02:30.300 collision

01:02:30.760 between

01:02:31.760 the prime

01:02:32.200 minister

01:02:32.480 because the

01:02:33.220 prime minister

01:02:33.720 is pretty

01:02:34.740 firm about

01:02:35.360 this

01:02:35.760 he told

01:02:36.800 me that

01:02:37.140 he had

01:02:37.460 seen the

01:02:37.880 prime minister

01:02:38.480 a few

01:02:39.240 hours ago

01:02:40.160 and that

01:02:40.900 this is

01:02:41.700 really important

01:02:42.520 to him

01:02:43.060 that is

01:02:44.900 essentially

01:02:45.180 where the

01:02:45.520 conversation

01:02:46.040 ended

01:02:46.720 and I

01:02:47.100 did not

01:02:47.480 hear from

01:02:47.840 the prime

01:02:48.160 minister

01:02:48.440 the next

01:02:49.000 day

01:02:49.300 I'm

01:02:52.420 just

01:02:52.560 letting

01:02:53.040 everybody

01:02:53.340 know

01:02:53.580 that

01:02:53.720 I've

01:02:53.940 just

01:02:54.240 as

01:02:54.700 chair

01:02:54.920 I

01:02:55.100 choose

01:02:55.520 to

01:02:55.660 give

01:02:55.840 you

01:02:55.960 more

01:02:56.180 than

01:02:56.340 30

01:02:56.560 minutes

01:02:56.840 you've

01:02:57.080 exceeded

01:02:57.380 it

01:02:57.540 I'd like

01:02:57.860 you to

01:02:58.060 be able

01:02:58.260 to finish

01:02:58.580 your

01:02:58.720 statement

01:02:58.980 is there

01:02:59.280 anybody

01:02:59.520 that has

01:02:59.740 any

01:02:59.860 objection

01:03:00.180 to that

01:03:00.640 okay

01:03:01.580 so please

01:03:02.320 continue

01:03:02.740 I don't

01:03:04.160 think anyone

01:03:04.500 in the audience

01:03:04.940 does either

01:03:05.540 thank you

01:03:05.940 Mr.

01:03:06.160 Chair

01:03:06.300 on

01:03:07.640 January

01:03:07.940 the

01:03:08.160 7th

01:03:08.640 I

01:03:09.880 received

01:03:10.220 a call

01:03:10.620 from the

01:03:10.960 prime

01:03:11.180 minister

01:03:11.500 and was

01:03:12.260 informed

01:03:12.660 I was

01:03:13.000 being

01:03:13.260 shuffled

01:03:13.640 out of

01:03:14.040 my

01:03:14.240 role

01:03:14.460 as

01:03:14.620 minister

01:03:14.880 of

01:03:19.300 details

01:03:19.620 of

01:03:20.100 this

01:03:20.300 call

01:03:20.700 or

01:03:21.380 subsequent

01:03:21.920 communications

01:03:22.740 about

01:03:23.320 the

01:03:23.520 shuffle

01:03:23.820 but

01:03:24.640 I

01:03:24.800 will

01:03:25.040 say

01:03:25.400 that

01:03:25.780 I

01:03:25.980 stated

01:03:26.420 I

01:03:26.720 believe

01:03:27.100 the

01:03:27.360 reason

01:03:27.700 was

01:03:28.340 because

01:03:28.840 of

01:03:29.100 the

01:03:29.240 SNC

01:03:29.880 matter

01:03:30.380 they

01:03:31.380 denied

01:03:31.720 this

01:03:31.940 to be

01:03:32.160 the

01:03:32.280 case

01:03:32.600 on

01:03:34.420 January

01:03:34.700 the

01:03:34.900 11th

01:03:35.260 2019

01:03:36.060 the

01:03:36.520 Friday

01:03:36.780 before

01:03:37.120 the

01:03:37.300 shuffle

01:03:37.600 my

01:03:38.580 former

01:03:38.880 deputy

01:03:39.220 minister

01:03:39.620 is

01:03:40.140 called

01:03:40.520 by

01:03:40.840 the

01:03:41.020 clerk

01:03:41.300 and

01:03:41.960 told

01:03:42.240 that

01:03:42.520 the

01:03:42.660 shuffle

01:03:42.920 is

01:03:43.220 happening

01:03:43.580 and

01:03:43.940 that

01:03:44.120 she

01:03:44.400 will

01:03:44.720 be

01:03:44.840 getting

01:03:45.040 a

01:03:45.200 new

01:03:45.320 minister

01:03:45.680 as

01:03:47.160 part

01:03:47.360 of

01:03:47.440 this

01:03:47.580 conversation

01:03:49.300 deputy

01:03:49.540 that

01:03:50.140 one

01:03:50.300 of

01:03:50.420 the

01:03:50.540 first

01:03:50.780 conversations

01:03:51.440 that

01:03:51.780 the

01:03:51.900 new

01:03:52.060 minister

01:03:52.380 will

01:03:52.620 be

01:03:52.740 expected

01:03:53.120 to

01:03:53.360 have

01:03:53.660 with

01:03:54.100 the

01:03:54.260 prime

01:03:54.540 minister

01:03:54.960 will

01:03:55.580 be

01:03:55.800 on

01:03:56.120 SNC

01:03:56.920 Lavlin

01:03:57.460 in

01:03:58.680 other

01:03:58.900 words

01:03:59.120 there

01:04:00.360 it

01:04:00.480 is

01:04:00.760 10

01:04:02.660 phone

01:04:02.880 calls

01:04:03.280 10

01:04:04.280 meetings

01:04:04.800 texts

01:04:05.980 something's

01:04:07.600 going to

01:04:07.800 happen

01:04:08.100 interference

01:04:08.600 is going

01:04:08.800 to

01:04:08.880 happen

01:04:09.140 oh boy

01:04:09.860 it's

01:04:10.060 going to

01:04:10.300 happen

01:04:10.760 one way

01:04:11.160 or

01:04:11.240 another

01:04:11.480 they've

01:04:12.180 been

01:04:12.300 talking

01:04:12.700 to

01:04:13.380 this

01:04:13.900 justice

01:04:14.500 minister

01:04:14.980 September

01:04:15.560 October

01:04:15.960 November

01:04:16.360 December

01:04:16.800 they're

01:04:17.420 sick

01:04:17.740 of it

01:04:18.120 and

01:04:18.660 they say

01:04:19.080 the first

01:04:19.520 matter

01:04:19.800 business

01:04:20.220 we're

01:04:20.420 going to

01:04:20.600 do

01:04:20.800 with

01:04:21.320 the

01:04:21.440 new

01:04:21.640 attorney

01:04:22.000 general

01:04:22.500 is

01:04:22.840 get

01:04:23.020 this

01:04:23.240 done

01:04:23.520 and

01:04:23.680 wouldn't

01:04:23.980 you

01:04:24.120 know

01:04:24.360 it

01:04:24.520 who's

01:04:25.980 the

01:04:26.100 new

01:04:26.240 attorney

01:04:26.500 general

01:04:26.860 his name

01:04:27.400 is

01:04:27.520 David

01:04:27.740 LeMetty

01:04:28.140 and he's

01:04:28.740 from

01:04:28.920 Montreal

01:04:29.320 and he

01:04:30.000 was lobbied

01:04:30.820 by SNC

01:04:31.780 Lavalin

01:04:32.200 and actually

01:04:33.260 earlier this

01:04:33.960 month

01:04:34.220 he said

01:04:34.820 to the

01:04:35.020 global mail

01:04:35.420 that he

01:04:35.660 was

01:04:35.800 considering

01:04:36.300 still

01:04:36.880 letting

01:04:37.100 them

01:04:37.260 off

01:04:37.420 the

01:04:37.540 hook

01:04:37.720 crooked

01:04:38.380 crooks

01:04:38.920 are

01:04:39.240 crooked

01:04:39.700 keep

01:04:40.040 watching

01:04:40.460 words

01:04:41.740 that

01:04:43.540 the

01:04:43.700 new

01:04:43.900 minister

01:04:44.280 will

01:04:44.720 need

01:04:44.980 to

01:04:45.340 prepare

01:04:45.900 be

01:04:46.300 prepared

01:04:46.620 to

01:04:46.840 speak

01:04:47.040 to

01:04:47.180 the

01:04:47.300 prime

01:04:47.480 minister

01:04:47.720 on

01:04:47.940 this

01:04:48.120 file

01:04:48.480 the

01:04:49.460 deputy

01:04:49.820 recounts

01:04:50.760 this

01:04:51.100 to

01:04:51.280 my

01:04:51.460 chief

01:04:51.720 of

01:04:51.900 staff

01:04:52.240 who

01:04:52.660 tells

01:04:52.960 me

01:04:53.160 about

01:04:53.560 the

01:04:53.820 conversation

01:04:54.400 my

01:04:58.160 narrative

01:04:58.560 stops

01:04:59.000 here

01:04:59.280 I

01:05:00.820 must

01:05:01.080 reiterate

01:05:01.420 to

01:05:01.740 the

01:05:01.880 committee

01:05:02.140 my

01:05:02.440 concern

01:05:02.920 outlined

01:05:03.580 in the

01:05:03.900 letter

01:05:04.180 to the

01:05:04.760 chair

01:05:04.960 yesterday

01:05:05.540 that

01:05:06.960 is

01:05:07.280 order

01:05:07.640 in

01:05:07.880 council

01:05:08.280 number

01:05:08.740 2019

01:05:09.920 0105

01:05:12.060 addresses

01:05:12.840 only my

01:05:13.580 time as

01:05:14.040 the

01:05:14.180 attorney

01:05:14.460 general

01:05:14.820 of

01:05:15.040 Canada

01:05:15.400 and

01:05:15.760 therefore

01:05:16.160 does

01:05:16.640 nothing

01:05:18.700 to

01:05:18.960 release

01:05:19.360 me

01:05:19.700 from

01:05:20.120 my

01:05:20.500 restrictions

01:05:21.180 that

01:05:21.760 apply

01:05:22.100 to

01:05:22.300 communications

01:05:22.940 while I

01:05:23.680 proudly

01:05:24.040 served

01:05:24.540 as

01:05:25.020 the

01:05:25.120 minister

01:05:25.380 of

01:05:25.600 veterans

01:05:25.920 affairs

01:05:26.400 and

01:05:27.200 in

01:05:27.320 relation

01:05:27.620 that's

01:05:29.500 an

01:05:29.600 interesting

01:05:29.920 point

01:05:30.260 there

01:05:30.420 because

01:05:30.620 remember

01:05:31.080 she

01:05:32.820 didn't

01:05:33.020 leave

01:05:33.220 cabinet

01:05:33.700 she

01:05:34.520 was

01:05:34.680 still

01:05:34.900 in

01:05:35.080 cabinet

01:05:35.520 and

01:05:37.700 she

01:05:37.860 just

01:05:38.120 said

01:05:38.440 there

01:05:38.620 I

01:05:38.760 can't

01:05:39.100 talk

01:05:39.440 about

01:05:39.680 what

01:05:39.860 came

01:05:40.060 later

01:05:40.260 because

01:05:40.540 Justin

01:05:41.100 Trudeau

01:05:41.420 did

01:05:41.600 not

01:05:41.840 waive

01:05:42.320 that

01:05:42.860 solicitor

01:05:44.560 client

01:05:44.820 privilege

01:05:45.300 there was

01:05:45.840 no

01:05:46.060 waiver

01:05:46.840 for that

01:05:47.540 she's

01:05:48.520 basically

01:05:48.960 telegraphing

01:05:49.640 to us

01:05:49.940 that more

01:05:50.280 was said

01:05:50.900 that she

01:05:51.580 can't

01:05:51.920 say

01:05:52.100 and I

01:05:52.940 understand

01:05:53.380 that later

01:05:53.740 there was

01:05:54.000 a question

01:05:54.480 did you

01:05:55.020 interfere

01:05:55.600 in the

01:05:56.380 prosecution

01:05:56.980 of the

01:05:57.780 admiral

01:05:58.280 or the

01:05:59.180 vice

01:05:59.660 admiral

01:06:00.080 out in

01:06:00.640 Halifax

01:06:01.200 over the

01:06:01.480 shipbuilding

01:06:01.840 case

01:06:02.160 and I

01:06:02.600 understand

01:06:02.920 she said

01:06:03.260 I can't

01:06:03.660 speak

01:06:03.860 to that

01:06:04.360 and like

01:06:05.080 I say

01:06:05.440 how many

01:06:05.920 more

01:06:06.140 times

01:06:06.880 how many

01:06:07.660 more

01:06:07.880 times

01:06:08.400 has

01:06:08.800 Gerald

01:06:09.160 Butts 0.82

01:06:09.480 said

01:06:09.700 the law

01:06:10.260 doesn't

01:06:10.480 apply

01:06:10.760 to us

01:06:11.220 how many

01:06:11.760 more

01:06:11.980 times

01:06:12.400 keep

01:06:12.600 watching

01:06:12.900 keep

01:06:13.140 to my

01:06:14.760 resignation

01:06:15.220 from that

01:06:16.180 post

01:06:16.680 or my

01:06:18.440 presentation

01:06:19.120 to cabinet

01:06:19.960 after I

01:06:20.500 resigned

01:06:20.920 this time

01:06:22.540 period includes

01:06:23.120 communications

01:06:23.740 on topics

01:06:24.540 that some

01:06:24.980 members of

01:06:25.400 the committee

01:06:25.740 have explored

01:06:26.300 with other

01:06:26.680 witnesses

01:06:27.040 and about

01:06:28.020 which there

01:06:28.660 have been

01:06:29.240 public

01:06:29.900 statements

01:06:30.380 by others

01:06:31.080 the order

01:06:32.440 in council

01:06:32.920 leaves in

01:06:33.560 place the

01:06:34.100 various

01:06:34.420 constraints

01:06:34.980 in particular

01:06:35.860 cabinet

01:06:36.640 confidence

01:06:37.220 that there

01:06:38.340 are on

01:06:39.000 my ability

01:06:39.600 to speak

01:06:40.360 freely on

01:06:41.000 matters

01:06:41.500 that occurred

01:06:42.720 after I

01:06:43.660 left my

01:06:44.120 post

01:06:44.480 as

01:06:44.780 attorney

01:06:45.060 general

01:06:45.460 even

01:06:47.620 with

01:06:47.840 those

01:06:48.060 constraints

01:06:48.660 I hope

01:06:50.120 that through

01:06:50.680 my narrative

01:06:51.440 today

01:06:52.020 the committee

01:06:52.640 and everyone

01:06:53.900 across the

01:06:54.860 country

01:06:55.160 who's

01:06:55.480 listening

01:06:55.860 has a

01:06:56.900 clear idea

01:06:57.620 of what

01:06:58.240 I experienced

01:06:59.140 and what

01:07:00.000 I know

01:07:00.580 of who

01:07:01.140 did what

01:07:01.840 and what

01:07:02.720 was

01:07:03.020 communicated

01:07:03.660 I hope

01:07:05.520 and expect

01:07:06.360 the facts

01:07:07.600 speak for

01:07:08.080 themselves

01:07:08.560 I imagine

01:07:10.560 Canadians

01:07:11.020 now fully

01:07:11.880 understand

01:07:12.400 that in

01:07:13.040 my view

01:07:13.620 these events

01:07:14.260 constituted

01:07:14.940 pressure

01:07:15.340 to intervene

01:07:16.560 in a matter

01:07:17.140 and that

01:07:17.940 this pressure

01:07:18.660 or political

01:07:19.960 interference

01:07:20.760 to intervene

01:07:22.280 was not

01:07:22.900 appropriate

01:07:23.420 however Canadians

01:07:25.180 can judge this

01:07:25.920 for themselves

01:07:26.620 as we now

01:07:27.680 have the same

01:07:28.660 frame of

01:07:29.320 information

01:07:29.840 lastly

01:07:31.900 as I've

01:07:32.320 said

01:07:33.100 previously

01:07:33.800 it has

01:07:35.100 always been

01:07:35.540 my view

01:07:35.980 that the

01:07:36.300 Attorney General

01:07:36.900 of Canada

01:07:37.440 must be

01:07:38.000 non-partisan

01:07:38.720 more transparent

01:07:40.040 in the

01:07:40.380 principles

01:07:40.800 that are

01:07:41.280 the basis

01:07:41.700 of decisions

01:07:42.800 and in

01:07:43.940 this respect

01:07:44.800 always willing

01:07:45.700 to speak

01:07:46.200 truth to

01:07:46.700 power

01:07:47.060 in saying

01:07:48.740 this

01:07:49.080 I was

01:07:49.540 reflecting

01:07:50.020 what I

01:07:50.920 understood

01:07:51.440 to be

01:07:51.860 the vital

01:07:52.260 importance

01:07:52.880 of the

01:07:53.660 rule of

01:07:54.060 law

01:07:54.380 and

01:07:55.100 prosecutorial

01:07:55.740 independence

01:07:56.320 in our

01:07:56.900 democracy

01:07:57.460 my

01:07:58.960 understanding

01:07:59.460 of this

01:08:00.020 has

01:08:00.420 been shaped

01:08:02.980 by some

01:08:03.900 lived

01:08:04.200 experiences

01:08:04.940 I

01:08:06.600 am of

01:08:06.900 course

01:08:07.120 a

01:08:07.280 lawyer

01:08:07.540 I

01:08:08.760 was

01:08:08.940 a

01:08:09.080 prosecutor

01:08:09.520 in the

01:08:09.820 downtown

01:08:10.120 east side

01:08:10.680 of Vancouver

01:08:11.200 so I

01:08:13.120 come to

01:08:13.400 this view

01:08:13.980 as a

01:08:14.660 trained

01:08:14.900 professional

01:08:15.400 and committed

01:08:16.260 to certain

01:08:16.740 values

01:08:17.300 as key

01:08:18.060 to our

01:08:18.880 system

01:08:19.220 of order

01:08:19.760 but my

01:08:21.500 understanding

01:08:22.060 of the

01:08:22.660 rule of

01:08:23.060 law

01:08:23.380 has also

01:08:24.000 been

01:08:24.200 shaped

01:08:24.500 by my

01:08:25.240 experiences

01:08:25.840 as an

01:08:26.400 indigenous

01:08:26.720 person

01:08:27.240 and as

01:08:27.880 an

01:08:28.000 indigenous

01:08:28.320 leader

01:08:28.780 history

01:08:30.420 of

01:08:30.640 crown

01:08:30.900 indigenous

01:08:31.240 relations

01:08:31.780 in this

01:08:32.340 country

01:08:32.760 includes a

01:08:34.480 history

01:08:34.820 of the

01:08:35.680 rule of

01:08:36.020 law

01:08:36.560 not being

01:08:37.160 respected

01:08:37.660 indeed

01:08:39.120 one of

01:08:39.480 the main

01:08:39.800 reasons

01:08:40.240 for the

01:08:40.840 urgent

01:08:41.260 need

01:08:41.700 for

01:08:42.000 justice

01:08:42.540 and

01:08:42.800 reconciliation

01:08:43.340 today

01:08:44.080 is that

01:08:45.060 in the

01:08:45.860 history

01:08:46.840 of our

01:08:47.260 country

01:08:47.680 we have

01:08:48.460 not always

01:08:49.200 upheld

01:08:49.760 foundational

01:08:50.380 values

01:08:51.000 such as

01:08:51.680 the rule

01:08:52.100 of law

01:08:52.520 in relations

01:08:53.260 to

01:08:54.000 indigenous

01:08:54.380 peoples

01:08:55.040 she's going

01:08:58.020 a little

01:08:58.260 heavy on

01:08:58.760 aboriginal 0.61

01:08:59.180 rights

01:08:59.560 here

01:08:59.800 but you

01:09:00.360 know what

01:09:00.660 first of

01:09:01.120 all

01:09:01.300 I don't

01:09:02.280 mind

01:09:02.660 second of

01:09:04.720 all

01:09:04.940 I think

01:09:05.920 that's part

01:09:06.340 of the

01:09:06.540 point

01:09:06.820 here

01:09:07.080 this is

01:09:08.640 someone

01:09:08.920 whose

01:09:09.540 family

01:09:10.100 was

01:09:10.580 you know

01:09:12.200 not

01:09:12.460 not

01:09:13.220 it didn't

01:09:13.580 come from

01:09:13.840 wealth and

01:09:14.120 privilege

01:09:14.520 she's not

01:09:15.820 a trust fund

01:09:16.940 millionaire

01:09:17.300 silver spoon

01:09:17.900 baby like

01:09:18.440 Trudeau

01:09:19.120 Trudeau

01:09:19.400 never worked

01:09:19.780 a day in

01:09:20.020 his life

01:09:20.300 inherited

01:09:20.640 the money

01:09:20.900 from

01:09:21.140 Pierre

01:09:21.820 Trudeau

01:09:22.160 who never

01:09:22.520 worked

01:09:22.700 a day in

01:09:23.180 his life

01:09:23.420 inherited

01:09:23.700 all from

01:09:24.040 his father

01:09:24.840 Charlie

01:09:25.340 I think

01:09:26.860 there's

01:09:27.020 something

01:09:27.220 to this

01:09:27.860 she actually

01:09:29.080 believes in

01:09:29.780 something other

01:09:30.380 than just

01:09:30.760 herself

01:09:31.260 and I think

01:09:32.400 she actually

01:09:32.760 loves the

01:09:33.180 law

01:09:33.440 I think

01:09:33.980 she has

01:09:34.200 some wrong

01:09:34.480 interpretations

01:09:35.080 of it

01:09:35.580 ideologically

01:09:36.360 that's not

01:09:36.920 what we're

01:09:37.060 talking about

01:09:37.380 today

01:09:37.560 I actually

01:09:38.240 think

01:09:38.640 that she

01:09:39.760 was immensely

01:09:40.420 proud of being

01:09:40.960 the first

01:09:41.260 aboriginal 0.61

01:09:41.700 justice

01:09:42.580 minister

01:09:42.980 and she

01:09:43.220 thought I'm

01:09:43.520 not going

01:09:43.820 to sell

01:09:44.340 that out

01:09:44.880 I'm not

01:09:46.020 going to

01:09:46.180 let that

01:09:46.440 be profaned

01:09:47.140 and cheapened

01:09:47.800 by some

01:09:49.040 frat boy

01:09:49.800 from Montreal

01:09:50.840 who doesn't

01:09:52.100 understand the

01:09:52.840 importance of

01:09:53.480 this position

01:09:54.000 so let her 0.86

01:09:54.980 talk about

01:09:55.620 aboriginal 0.61

01:09:56.460 issues

01:09:57.060 although you

01:09:57.760 may think

01:09:58.260 that they

01:09:58.560 are not

01:09:58.960 germane

01:09:59.400 I think

01:10:00.220 it goes

01:10:00.500 to who

01:10:00.840 she is

01:10:01.740 and you're

01:10:02.560 damn straight

01:10:03.180 the first

01:10:03.900 aboriginal 0.61

01:10:04.360 woman 0.99

01:10:04.840 justice

01:10:05.200 minister

01:10:05.580 in Canadian

01:10:05.960 history

01:10:06.320 wasn't going

01:10:07.100 to sell

01:10:07.920 out all

01:10:08.520 of her

01:10:08.780 principles

01:10:09.360 and the

01:10:10.080 rule of

01:10:10.400 law

01:10:10.640 just for

01:10:11.420 some

01:10:11.760 fraternity

01:10:12.700 boy

01:10:12.960 from Montreal

01:10:13.740 asking for a

01:10:14.520 favor

01:10:14.780 let the tape

01:10:15.560 roll

01:10:15.760 we're almost

01:10:16.260 done

01:10:16.560 and I

01:10:17.920 have seen

01:10:18.300 the negative

01:10:18.700 impacts

01:10:19.360 for freedom

01:10:20.280 equality

01:10:21.020 and a

01:10:21.920 just

01:10:22.140 society

01:10:22.700 this can

01:10:23.860 have

01:10:24.300 first

01:10:24.720 hand

01:10:25.040 so when

01:10:27.340 I pledged

01:10:27.820 to serve

01:10:28.200 Canadians

01:10:28.680 as your

01:10:29.660 minister of

01:10:30.300 justice

01:10:30.600 and attorney

01:10:31.160 general

01:10:31.640 I came

01:10:33.060 to it

01:10:33.820 with a

01:10:34.180 deeply

01:10:34.500 ingrained

01:10:35.400 commitment

01:10:35.880 to the

01:10:36.300 rule of

01:10:36.680 law

01:10:36.960 and the

01:10:37.860 importance

01:10:38.180 of acting

01:10:38.760 independently

01:10:39.500 of

01:10:39.900 partisan

01:10:40.480 political

01:10:41.400 and narrow

01:10:42.360 interests

01:10:42.980 in all

01:10:43.520 matters

01:10:43.980 when we

01:10:45.580 do not

01:10:46.020 do that

01:10:46.620 I firmly

01:10:47.240 believe

01:10:47.820 and know

01:10:48.520 we do

01:10:49.080 worse

01:10:49.460 as a

01:10:49.860 society

01:10:50.300 I will

01:10:52.280 conclude

01:10:52.600 by saying

01:10:53.160 this

01:10:53.600 I was

01:10:55.460 taught

01:10:55.720 to always

01:10:56.340 be careful

01:10:57.060 what you

01:10:57.680 say

01:10:58.080 because you

01:10:58.880 cannot

01:10:59.140 take it

01:10:59.580 back

01:10:59.980 I was

01:11:01.440 taught

01:11:01.680 to always

01:11:02.400 hold

01:11:03.020 true

01:11:03.420 to your

01:11:04.120 core

01:11:04.420 values

01:11:04.880 and

01:11:05.160 principles

01:11:05.660 and to

01:11:06.240 act

01:11:06.460 with

01:11:06.640 integrity

01:11:07.140 these

01:11:08.660 are the

01:11:08.920 teachings

01:11:09.220 of my

01:11:09.680 parents

01:11:10.140 my

01:11:10.600 grandparents

01:11:10.960 and my

01:11:11.740 community

01:11:12.160 I come

01:11:13.640 from a

01:11:13.940 long

01:11:14.140 line

01:11:14.360 of

01:11:14.500 matriarchs 0.99

01:11:15.240 and I

01:11:15.720 am a

01:11:15.940 truth

01:11:16.180 teller

01:11:16.660 in

01:11:17.380 accordance

01:11:17.700 with

01:11:17.940 the

01:11:18.100 laws

01:11:18.460 and

01:11:18.780 traditions

01:11:19.160 of

01:11:19.560 our

01:11:19.720 big

01:11:19.940 house

01:11:20.320 this

01:11:21.340 is

01:11:21.500 who

01:11:21.700 I

01:11:21.900 am

01:11:22.220 and

01:11:22.640 this

01:11:22.840 is

01:11:23.040 who

01:11:23.200 I

01:11:23.380 always

01:11:23.800 will

01:11:24.020 be

01:11:24.360 thank you

01:11:26.100 well that's a little longer than we normally go

01:11:29.620 I had recorded an interview for today we'll play it tomorrow instead

01:11:33.180 I want to show you just one quick thing because I mentioned it several times

01:11:38.460 let me read to you the text from section 139.2 of the criminal code

01:11:42.560 it goes to obstruction of justice there's also let me just read it this is section

01:11:47.100 to everyone who willfully attempts in any manner other than a manager described in subsection one which is bribes to obstruct pervert or defeat the course of justice is guilty of an indictable offense and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years 10 years in prison for obstructing justice

01:12:06.040 a few sections

01:12:07.040 a few sections later there's also a paragraph about intimidation I won't get into that now I think obstruction is really what we saw I'm certain that this reaches the bar for an RCMP investigation

01:12:21.040 I'm certain more resignations must come Michael Wernick must resign

01:12:26.100 we have to wrap this up because we have to put this video online for you to watch at 8pm

01:12:32.400 but I know that Justin Trudeau is having a press conference what's he going to say other than

01:12:36.320 to stammer maybe hug some people take some selfies what can he do

01:12:39.700 I don't know maybe he'll actually resign

01:12:41.720 I don't think he ever

01:12:43.820 was a substantive prime minister he just liked the trappings of it

01:12:47.400 he liked being a mascot I don't think it's going to be fun for him anymore

01:12:50.340 I'd say there's a 10% chance he actually resigns

01:12:52.880 I think there's a 80% chance he just blathers

01:12:56.200 maybe announces a few more sacrificial lamps

01:12:59.320 Katie Telford fired a few other people fired

01:13:01.540 I don't know I'll tell you one thing I'm 47 years old

01:13:04.620 this is the most interesting and explosive thing I've ever seen in Canadian politics

01:13:09.160 I want to tell you one last thing

01:13:10.840 I remember the Libranos from the last time 1.00

01:13:13.840 can I show you what I got right here

01:13:15.000 when the Western Standard magazine shut down

01:13:17.900 I kept this

01:13:19.980 can you see this

01:13:20.800 it's our front cover of the magazine

01:13:24.460 the Libranos

01:13:25.800 it's about the ad scam

01:13:27.040 and you can see the characters there

01:13:29.040 Jean Chrétien, Paul Martin

01:13:30.400 Scott Bryson's there a lot younger

01:13:32.720 Alfonso Galliano

01:13:33.820 do you remember some of those characters

01:13:35.020 this was such a successful magazine

01:13:37.580 we made a poster out of it

01:13:38.600 I had it made into a wall hanging like that

01:13:41.180 and I've kept it

01:13:41.840 what's the date on that

01:13:43.360 May 16, 2005

01:13:45.880 that's 14 years ago

01:13:47.440 and this is what brought down the last

01:13:50.060 liberal government

01:13:51.520 shortly after this

01:13:54.440 Stephen Harper won election

01:13:56.600 in 2006

01:13:57.940 and again in 2008

01:13:59.260 you know what I got to tell you

01:14:01.560 I had a feeling in my bones

01:14:03.700 that the Libranos were back 0.99

01:14:05.040 and I said to our team here

01:14:06.740 I said you know that old poster we did

01:14:08.600 back in the Western Standard

01:14:10.420 can you freshen up

01:14:11.300 can you put in the new faces

01:14:12.460 and here's what our team came up with

01:14:14.560 what do you think of that

01:14:15.360 what do you think of that

01:14:16.720 what do you think of that

01:14:18.820 I think that's pretty good

01:14:21.900 can you recognize him there

01:14:23.420 there's the precious

01:14:24.700 Justin Trudeau

01:14:26.420 there's Bill Morneau

01:14:27.320 crook

01:14:28.260 Chrystia Freeland

01:14:29.840 there's

01:14:30.640 Sheamus O'Regan

01:14:31.560 just sort of staring

01:14:32.740 oh there's

01:14:34.500 Gerald Butts

01:14:35.660 on the left

01:14:36.280 and Katie Telford

01:14:37.880 the Libranos

01:14:39.940 you know what

01:14:40.580 I had a feeling in my bones

01:14:42.880 this was going to happen

01:14:43.740 so I said to the team

01:14:45.120 can you print up some posters

01:14:46.720 and they say

01:14:48.160 yeah boss

01:14:48.720 and I said alright

01:14:49.640 so we have set up the website

01:14:51.980 the Libranos.com

01:14:54.860 you knew

01:14:56.620 you knew I had that right

01:14:58.180 the Libranos.com

01:15:00.280 if you want to get a poster

01:15:02.540 of this updated version

01:15:04.980 go to the Libranos.com

01:15:06.440 we'll ship it to you

01:15:07.120 we'll roll it up

01:15:07.740 and we'll put it in

01:15:08.280 one of those mailable tubes

01:15:09.300 and we'll ship it to you

01:15:10.660 I gotta tell you

01:15:12.680 I thought Justin Trudeau

01:15:15.020 was unbeatable

01:15:16.520 impervious

01:15:17.380 irresistible

01:15:18.280 no

01:15:19.460 I would use all those words

01:15:21.180 for Jody Wilson-Raybould

01:15:23.560 my friends

01:15:24.720 that's the show for today

01:15:25.680 thanks for watching

01:15:26.480 so long

01:15:27.080 we're gonna wrap it up there

01:15:28.560 no time for a guest

01:15:29.560 no time for letters

01:15:30.460 just time to think about

01:15:31.920 this fascinating

01:15:32.700 fascinating turn of events

01:15:33.920 I think we might even go

01:15:35.000 again tomorrow on it

01:15:36.340 instead of what I had

01:15:37.460 prepared for tonight

01:15:38.280 there's so much here

01:15:39.400 until next time

01:15:40.720 on behalf of all of us

01:15:41.980 here at Rebel World

01:15:42.680 Headquarters

01:15:43.100 to you at home

01:15:43.680 good night

01:15:44.500 and keep fighting for justice

01:16:00.680 you

01:16:01.180 you

01:16:02.520 you

01:16:03.160 you

01:16:05.340 you

01:16:07.280 you

01:16:08.000 you

01:16:09.500 you

01:16:10.360 you

01:16:10.960 you

01:16:11.220 you

01:16:13.940 you

01:16:15.480 you

01:16:16.060 you

Rebel News Podcast - February 28, 2019

Jody Wilson-Raybould “told the truth about Justin Trudeau. I think he’s going to jail.”

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