Rebel News Podcast - Surprise! Media Party poll calls for more subsidies for the Media Party

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I take you through a poll that maybe you've seen in the media.

00:00:04.560 It suggests that Canadians overwhelmingly want the government to give more bailout money to TV

00:00:11.780 stations and newspapers. Could that possibly be true? I'll actually take you through the

00:00:17.820 pollster's questions and, well, I'll let you judge for yourself. Hey, before I do,

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00:00:57.760 Tonight, the Media Party is publishing a poll by the Media Party calling for more subsidies for

00:01:08.820 the Media Party. Are you surprised? It's April 8th, and this is the Ezra LeVance Show.

00:01:12.840 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:18.620 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:22.700 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my

00:01:27.280 bloody right to do so.

00:01:33.540 Hey, have you seen this headline in the National Post?

00:01:37.020 COVID-19 crisis. Most Canadians support bailout for media organizations, poll finds. Oh, that is a

00:01:45.720 work of art right there. That headline, pandemic, crisis, COVID-19. Oh, okay, now that we've got your

00:01:52.500 attention, the story's actually not about those things, but it's about getting more corporate

00:01:57.100 bailouts for journalists, including the journalist who wrote that story. That's called clickbait.

00:02:02.580 That's a bait and switch. That's junk journalism, and that's where we are these days with the media

00:02:08.660 party. That was in the National Post, which used to be against bailouts until they weren't. I mean,

00:02:14.540 as they said in the movie The Godfather, nothing personal. It's just business. I don't know if you

00:02:20.260 know this, but the National Post and most Canadian daily newspapers, including the Toronto Sun chain,

00:02:25.680 the Calgary Herald, Montreal Gazette, Edmonton Journal, Vancouver Sun, etc., they're not actually

00:02:30.340 owned by Canadians. They're owned by a company called PostMedia, which in turn is owned by a U.S.

00:02:36.380 investment fund called Chatham Asset Management. Here, let me read to you from PostMedia's latest

00:02:42.800 filings. They say, as at November 30th, 2019, Chatham owns 62 million, or 66% of our shares.

00:02:56.200 So yeah, the National Post, which nation are they talking about, says Canadians want to help fight

00:03:04.360 the pandemic by giving tax dollars to their U.S.-based owners. Here, let me read from this

00:03:11.960 highly credible and not at all self-serving story in the Post.

00:03:15.740 The majority of Canadians support government bailouts for media organizations that are facing a collapse

00:03:22.060 in advertising revenue since the COVID-19 pandemic shut down businesses across the country, according

00:03:27.580 to a new poll. Really? Oh, yes. The survey was conducted by Nanos Research for Friends of Canadian

00:03:36.400 Broadcasting, a non-partisan media watchdog, and was released Monday. Non-partisan? Really?

00:03:42.460 Here's an attack ad that Friends of Canadian Broadcasting ran when Stephen Harper was Prime

00:03:49.260 Minister a few years ago.

00:03:50.480 Mr. Prime Minister, when you came to power, you promised accountability, transparency,

00:03:56.140 and clean ethics. Now that we've had the robocalls, the in-and-out scandal, the G20 abuses,

00:04:02.020 the F-35 boondoggle, the shattering of Parliament, the cancelling of the long-form census, muzzling 0.79

00:04:08.020 of scientists, the Duffy Wallen scandal, losing track of 3.1 billion in security funding, stonewalling

00:04:15.960 on digital spying, the military police investigation of CTV for breaking stories that embarrassed

00:04:22.100 the government, and now turning CBC into a state broadcaster. How do you respond to that?

00:04:27.580 There goes my Senate appointment.

00:04:40.260 Who is going to ask the tough questions now? Join the campaign to free the CBC from political

00:04:48.160 interference.

00:04:48.800 Yeah, non-partisan. But look, the Post says that they're non-partisan, but the conflict

00:04:57.080 of interest here isn't between the Conservative Party and the Liberal Party. It's that the National

00:05:01.560 Post is a party. It's a would-be beneficiary of more government bailouts. Of course, it's

00:05:08.180 relevant that the Friends of Canadian Broadcasting is a left-wing pro-CBC front group that hates

00:05:14.140 Conservatives. Right, but the point today is that it's now lobbying for the National

00:05:19.460 Post's owners, Chatham Asset Management, so they can get Canadian tax dollars too. That's

00:05:25.140 a neat trick. Here, let me read some more from the story. It found that 7 in 10 Canadians support

00:05:31.260 26 percent, or somewhat support 41 percent, the federal government sending financial aid to

00:05:38.340 failing news organizations. A majority of Canadians also agree, 36 percent, or somewhat agree, 26 percent,

00:05:47.200 that Ottawa should treat media bankruptcies and layoffs as an emergency because journalism

00:05:52.800 is essential to keeping Canadians safe during the crisis. Imagine writing that, that it's

00:06:00.000 critical to have journalists because that's who keeps Canadians safe, not doctors or nurses

00:06:05.380 or truck drivers or farmers or people who make masks, but journalists? Like this kooky CBC journalist

00:06:13.860 who wrote a story saying masks don't work, so don't wear them? What? For some reason, the CBC keeps

00:06:21.540 saying that. Here's another doozy saying that the pandemic is caused by global warming. Did you know

00:06:26.780 that? It's almost like, you know, the CBC is actually spreading disinformation that's dangerous.

00:06:33.440 They're not saving any lives. And that's just the CBC. They're obviously the worst. But most of the

00:06:38.300 media is the same. They were against closing the borders. They pretend the World Health Organization

00:06:43.620 is a neutral, science-friendly entity rather than a puppet of the Chinese government, which it is.

00:06:49.780 So yeah, no, journalists are not saving us from the pandemic. And you'll note the wording there.

00:06:55.260 There were no majorities. They had to add together people who agree and people who sort of maybe agree

00:07:00.540 to get a majority. What a joke. I'll read some more. The survey notes that Canadian media outlets

00:07:05.460 have seen advertising revenues fall by as much as 60 percent, and nearly 500 journalists were laid off

00:07:11.220 in the first two weeks of the lockdown. Torstar, which publishes several daily newspapers including

00:07:17.060 the Toronto Star, announced on Monday it would eliminate 85 positions and cut its operating budget

00:07:22.540 to offset advertising revenue losses. Now look, I don't want anyone to lose their job, but seriously,

00:07:27.940 you have, what is it, 4 million Canadians out of work in the last month? I think that's the latest

00:07:33.360 figure. It's growing daily. 4 million. Entire industries just flattened. Airlines, hotels,

00:07:41.360 restaurants, cinemas, sports, schools. But the poor dears of the Toronto Star laid off 85 people,

00:07:47.940 so that's the crisis? Yeah, no. Oh, well, they're just getting started. Here, let me read some more.

00:07:53.980 Many of our most prominent journalism outlets face imminent failure, even after the government's

00:08:00.460 proposed tax credits and wage subsidies are factored in. Friends Executive Director Daniel

00:08:05.600 Bernard said, this is an acute emergency, and Canadians want Ottawa to intervene quickly

00:08:12.660 to save these trusted institutions from mass extinction. Our democracy and our future as an

00:08:18.960 independent country are at stake. Holy cow, I didn't know that. A country that can't talk to itself 1.00

00:08:25.140 ceases to be. If we lose our media, we lose our country. Oh my God. You know, I worked at the National

00:08:32.780 Post during its glory days 20 years ago, right after it started. It was amazing. It fought so hard for

00:08:38.380 conservative ideas for smaller government. I remember we even had a whole series criticizing the CBC

00:08:44.080 for being the media party, for taking government money. Yeah, that old National Post is gone, my

00:08:51.200 friends. Now it publishes hysteria and fantasies from left-wing pressure groups without skepticism

00:08:56.940 or rebuttal, because it's only the National Post in name. The nation that owns 66% of its stock is,

00:09:03.840 well, it's a hedge fund from the U.S. And they don't care who they have to quote to get more government

00:09:08.940 money. They're already getting 140 grand a week from Trudeau, and they'd like some more. Thank you

00:09:15.780 very little. Here's how their story ends. The survey was conducted over landlines, cell phones,

00:09:22.060 and online between March 30th and April 2 as part of an omnibus survey. Nanos Research carried out a

00:09:27.920 random survey of 1,036 Canadians aged 18 and over. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.1 percentage

00:09:33.640 points, 19 times out of 20. Now that's the thing. This is a laughable claim. It's a joke of a story

00:09:39.700 that Canadians care about journalists, that journalists are the only ones who are going to 0.51

00:09:43.340 save us, that Canadians think these 85 layoffs at the Star are the most pressing thing in our

00:09:48.660 country. And without those 85 journalists at the Toronto Star, we're all going to die

00:09:52.300 from the pandemic or whatever the headline said. But they're hanging it all on an opinion poll.

00:09:58.400 So they're really saying, hey, don't look at us. We didn't make up this craziness. We're not crazy.

00:10:04.460 Canadians actually believe this stuff. And we paid a pollster to tell us that.

00:10:08.960 Now, I have no beef with Nick Nanos, the pollster here. But I want to show you the junk poll that was

00:10:16.060 used to get these numbers. I mean, you've probably heard of a push poll before. It's not even really a

00:10:20.380 poll. It pretends to be a poll, but it's a persuasion tool. It would be like if someone called you up

00:10:26.780 and said, I'm a pollster. If you heard that Justin Trudeau took a million dollar donation

00:10:32.420 from the Communist Party of China, would that make you more or less likely to trust him?

00:10:37.440 That's not a real poll because everyone, of course, would be less likely to trust him.

00:10:42.120 That's a ridiculous question, but it's not really a question that's pretending to be a question.

00:10:45.300 It's really a veiled attack on him. By the way, we have no evidence that Trudeau cashed any checks

00:10:50.520 from China. We do, of course, have plenty of evidence that the Liberal Party front group called Canada

00:10:56.040 2020 did cash huge checks from the Chinese phone company Huawei, and that the Trudeau Foundation

00:11:03.500 takes huge foreign checks that they refuse to disclose. We do have proof of that. But back to

00:11:08.320 the polls. Do you get my point? Ask a non-neutral question, get a non-neutral answer. It's garbage.

00:11:15.600 So let's look at some of the questions that Nick Nanos actually agreed to ask. And really,

00:11:20.920 what a surprise. You'd think that his reputation would be worth more than whatever he got paid for

00:11:25.560 this one-off poll. Anyhow, let's take a look. Here's what they published online. Here's the

00:11:29.640 poll in full. I read it. And can I draw your attention just to a couple lines in it?

00:11:34.920 Question. Since the coronavirus COVID-19 outbreak began, because of the economic collapse,

00:11:42.120 Canadian media outlets have seen advertising revenues fall by 60%. In the first two weeks of

00:11:47.560 the lockdown, nearly 500 journalists were laid off. If current trends continue, parts of the country

00:11:52.960 will have either no or fewer professional journalists covering important news stories.

00:11:58.720 Would you support, somewhat support, somewhat oppose, or oppose the following? And I'll get

00:12:03.840 into the actual questions in a moment, but about that whole preamble I just read.

00:12:08.700 Parts of the country will have no professional journalists covering important news. Really? Is that

00:12:14.660 really what's going to happen? There will not be a single reporter left to report the news in this

00:12:20.160 country. Are you crazy? Does anyone actually believe that? Or did this pollster have to say that

00:12:29.920 because he knew people just don't care that a few journalists are being laid off? Get in line,

00:12:34.220 right? I mean, journalists are not essential. Anyone can be a journalist. And the ones we have,

00:12:39.460 well, they seem to be political activists as much as journalists. I like that phrase,

00:12:43.120 professional journalists, too. Did you know that there's a profession, I guess? Like doctors and

00:12:49.440 engineers and lawyers for journalists? What a laugh. You know, a profession is a self-regulating

00:12:54.340 industry with standards that you have to meet before you can practice. Heck, even carpenters

00:12:59.000 and plumbers and welders have to have a trade certificate. No such thing for journalists.

00:13:04.600 It's whoever tells you what happened today. That's journalism. Imagine the twin lies here. You're saying

00:13:11.360 you're a profession, which is a lie, like a pharmacist is a profession. Journalists are not like

00:13:15.780 pharmacists. And you're saying they're all going to be laid off. Everyone, there will be no

00:13:20.440 journalists left. Yeah, Nick Nanos, that's a push poll. I hope you cash the check quickly.

00:13:27.320 But remember, that was just the preamble to juice the numbers, like saying, if you heard Trudeau

00:13:32.360 robbed a bank, would that make you more or less likely to support him? It's not legitimate.

00:13:37.820 It puts a thumb on the scale. But look at the wording of the questions that came right after the

00:13:42.080 preamble. Look at this one. The government of Canada sending financial aid to failing news

00:13:47.460 providers to keep them from closing down. That's what they're checking if you support,

00:13:51.800 somewhat support, oppose, or somewhat suppose. So is that what will happen if Trudeau gives more money

00:13:57.560 to media companies? They won't shut down. They won't lay people off. Is that really what happens

00:14:03.880 when you give companies money? I don't think so. You see, the most, there's a newspaper company in

00:14:10.740 The Atlantic that publishes most of the newspapers out there. The company's called Salt Wire. They

00:14:16.480 have received literally millions of dollars in bailout money from Trudeau, and yet they just laid

00:14:21.760 off 250 people. The Toronto Star gets $110,000 per week from Trudeau's bailout. They just laid off 85

00:14:31.360 people. So why is Nick Nanos and his pollsters, why are they promising people there won't be any layoffs

00:14:38.340 if we just give a few more bucks to the media? That's not how it works. That's not how it has

00:14:42.380 worked. Of course there will still be layoffs. The money just goes into the bank accounts of the

00:14:46.980 media companies, including Chatham Asset Management in the States. Do you think Chatham Asset Management

00:14:51.760 really cares about keeping reporters? I mean, I'm sure they'd like to, all things being equal,

00:14:56.900 but all things are not equal. That's not really their business. Their business is making money.

00:15:00.900 In fact, their specialty is laying off reporters to save money. That's what they do for a living.

00:15:09.220 This poll is a pack of lies. I'm embarrassed for Nick Nanos, and I have to say my esteem for his

00:15:14.760 work, which is quite high actually. It's fallen a lot here. That's not a real poll, Nick. I'm embarrassed

00:15:22.260 for the National Post publishing such a self-serving left-wing pack of baloney and those crazy quotes.

00:15:27.940 The country will die. I'm embarrassed for all the media companies who don't even pretend anymore.

00:15:33.780 They want to be crowned corporations. They want bailouts. They want to call

00:15:36.780 Justin Trudeau their daddy. And I'm embarrassed for every journalist who agrees to work

00:15:43.000 for the government this way. But I have a question. This poll says most Canadians want a bailout

00:15:51.120 to newspapers and TV news stations. All right. Well, let's put aside the junk poll I just showed

00:15:58.140 you. Let's take this headline at face value. It's great news if it's true. Most Canadians think

00:16:05.400 journalism is important, newspapers and TV. Well, that's amazing news. Because in real life here,

00:16:12.800 fewer than 1% of Canadians subscribe to a newspaper. Think about it, 37 million of us. Do you know how many

00:16:19.640 copies they print every day of Canada's largest newspaper, the Toronto Star? It's by far the

00:16:25.020 largest newspaper in the country. 193,000. That's it. On Saturday, it's higher just for that one day,

00:16:32.860 290,000. There's six and a half million people in the greater Toronto area. The National Post,

00:16:39.840 the Globe and Mail, much smaller. TV stations, the average local TV newscast, suppertime newscast

00:16:47.340 of CBC in this country had 12,000 viewers. Not 12 million, 12,000. Nobody cares. Nobody watches.

00:16:58.440 Nobody subscribes. So if this poll is right, if we put aside the obvious propaganda in it and accept it,

00:17:05.460 well, that's great news. Because then we don't need to reach into the taxpayer's pocket

00:17:12.300 to grab our money as a bailout to their friends. Because if suddenly millions of Canadians truly,

00:17:20.000 genuinely love the Toronto Star and those Atlantic newspapers and the CBC, and oh my God,

00:17:25.540 we must save them to save the country. Well, hallelujah. This is great news. Now go up there

00:17:31.880 and start selling your newspaper subscriptions. The fact that a once mighty Canadian newspaper

00:17:37.560 like the National Post had to be bought up by a U.S. vulture fund tells me that, yeah, no.

00:17:44.380 This poll is just fake news. Stay with us for more.

00:18:01.260 I watch CNN. I watch Fox. I watch CBS. And in this case, there's a lot of things not being said.

00:18:06.580 It almost certainly is a recombination event that was laboratory-driven.

00:18:23.400 This is just the essential nature of Chinese communism. Chinese communism is evil. 0.98

00:18:30.520 Every person that harms is directly attributable to the Chinese Communist Party. 0.78

00:18:36.520 Absolutely riveting. A new documentary released just last night, tracking down the origin of Wuhan coronavirus.

00:19:03.160 You might have recognized one of those folks there, our friend Gordon Chang.

00:19:09.700 The film was produced and broadcast by Epoch Times, which is a newspaper website,

00:19:15.940 both published in the Chinese language and in English.

00:19:19.100 And it has become my personal source of information for what's really going on in China.

00:19:26.560 There's so much inaccuracies being reported by the Western media, either by accident

00:19:32.420 or because they negligently rebroadcast without skepticism or corroboration propaganda from Chinese state media.

00:19:43.840 The Epoch Times, on the other hand, has dissident sources within communist China

00:19:49.340 and, of course, has great journalists outside of them.

00:19:51.980 And I'm delighted to bring you, right now, an interview with the host, narrator,

00:19:58.180 and lead investigative journalist behind this documentary.

00:20:01.760 He joins us via Skype from Queens, New York.

00:20:04.600 Joshua Phillip of Epoch Times.

00:20:06.140 Joshua, what a pleasure to meet you.

00:20:08.340 Hey, real pleasure being here.

00:20:09.640 Some interesting stuff to talk about.

00:20:11.380 That's for sure.

00:20:12.800 You know, I recently came across a study by two scholars, two academics in Wuhan,

00:20:19.480 who published a paper that was then deleted,

00:20:22.920 claiming that the virus was spread in Wuhan not from a bat in the seafood market,

00:20:31.240 but rather from the virus labs that the Communist Party has in Wuhan.

00:20:36.920 I found that compelling.

00:20:38.960 Your documentary goes a little bit further.

00:20:43.220 Why don't you tell us the thesis of your documentary?

00:20:46.980 And by the way, we've embedded it on our website.

00:20:49.220 People can watch it in full.

00:20:50.400 Go ahead, Joshua.

00:20:52.100 Right.

00:20:52.520 So, of course, we all heard the narrative that this virus started in this Wuhan seafood market,

00:20:59.060 this wet market.

00:21:00.840 That narrative, that entire narrative is dead.

00:21:03.720 The Chinese Communist Party lied to the world when they told them that.

00:21:08.960 Patient zero, at least the known one, had no connection whatsoever to that seafood market.

00:21:14.220 The Chinese Communist Party itself has stopped using that narrative.

00:21:18.700 And somehow the whole world has just been satisfied, at least at the government level, it seems,

00:21:23.600 has just been satisfied at being lied to with not knowing what the origin was

00:21:28.740 or what the intermediary species was, if there even was one.

00:21:31.940 And so the question is, where did the virus come from?

00:21:36.040 And I think all of us want to know that right now.

00:21:38.760 Now, we've all heard tons of information.

00:21:41.420 I think not just me, but I assume everyone watching.

00:21:44.320 You know, we're getting bombarded with information.

00:21:46.300 And so how do you sift through all that?

00:21:49.720 How do you go and track the origin of these different stories coming out?

00:21:55.880 And what do they tell us when you put them all together?

00:21:58.480 That was the goal of this documentary, to basically do a full picture of all the credible information

00:22:06.520 we've seen come out of China on this.

00:22:08.800 Look at the real information, the stuff that was deleted by the Chinese Communist Party.

00:22:12.860 Look at what whistleblowers in China were saying about the real origin of this virus.

00:22:18.180 And yeah, as you mentioned, out of that Wuhan lab itself,

00:22:22.200 there were at least two whistleblowers who used their real names and came out publicly

00:22:26.840 and said this virus came from our laboratory.

00:22:29.980 And somehow that never really got much attention outside of China.

00:22:33.920 Yeah.

00:22:34.260 I mean, this Wuhan virus lab has been in the news before.

00:22:39.460 Bizarrely, Canada approved the transfer of the Ebola virus from our research lab to China

00:22:47.520 last year, which is crazy to me.

00:22:50.880 And then there was a startling case of a Chinese national and her students who were frog marched

00:22:56.620 out of Canada's top virus lab in suspicious circumstances by our mounted police.

00:23:02.060 No charges were ever laid.

00:23:03.460 There was not a full disclosure of what happened.

00:23:05.200 But that Wuhan virus lab has been in the news in Canada.

00:23:09.800 And I have to tell you, when I heard of this Wuhan virus, I thought, what are the odds?

00:23:13.800 What is the sheer statistical likelihood that there was a natural, organic starting of a virus

00:23:22.020 in the same city of this virus lab without the connection?

00:23:26.480 I mean, it's almost ridiculous to believe there wasn't an involvement.

00:23:31.460 Tell us a little bit more about your positive evidence that there was a connection.

00:23:37.800 All right.

00:23:38.340 So let's look at this.

00:23:40.100 Now, that Wuhan lab, the P4 laboratory is about 20 miles up the street from that marketplace. 0.92

00:23:46.360 When the Chinese Communist Party declared the virus came from the marketplace, what do they do?

00:23:50.640 They go in there and they destroy the evidence.

00:23:53.320 They go and destroy the crime scene.

00:23:55.080 Now, if this was a murder mystery and you had a dead body on the ground and there's blood

00:23:59.780 and there's bullets, they went in, they got rid of the body, they got rid of the blood,

00:24:03.240 they got rid of the bullets, they wiped down all the fingerprints.

00:24:05.900 There's no possible way for the international community to go in now and either prove or disprove

00:24:12.220 that narrative.

00:24:13.140 So you're speaking about the seafood market itself.

00:24:16.380 Yeah.

00:24:16.820 The Chinese Communist Party destroyed the evidence with that.

00:24:20.460 Right.

00:24:20.660 And so, again, now they looked into it.

00:24:24.240 Patient Zero had no connection to the marketplace.

00:24:26.320 The question then comes up, well, what was the origin?

00:24:28.640 Well, it just so happens that that laboratory 20 miles up the road from this place, first

00:24:33.600 off, yeah, they were starting to study the SARS virus around 2003, 2002, when they were

00:24:38.980 first announced.

00:24:40.340 The head of that laboratory was one of the top coronavirus, bat coronavirus researchers in 0.99

00:24:46.320 the world.

00:24:47.320 She had been writing papers about this, Dr. Xi.

00:24:50.660 She had been writing papers about this going back years.

00:24:53.960 In fact, one of the papers in 2015 described it was a synthetic virus that destroyed, it

00:25:00.820 was shown to destroy the lungs of mice that had no known cure.

00:25:04.880 The symptoms of that, the nature of that, very closely fit the description of this current

00:25:09.020 virus we're seeing now.

00:25:10.920 In addition to that, they talked about how to make bat coronaviruses transmittable to humans. 0.52

00:25:16.700 That laboratory was on the frontier of this type of research on how do you change the

00:25:24.580 key, right?

00:25:25.620 The key that allows these viruses to connect to human cells.

00:25:29.360 That laboratory was one of the, it was the frontier laboratory doing that kind of research.

00:25:35.000 They had the SARS virus.

00:25:36.680 They had these bat coronaviruses. 1.00

00:25:38.000 It just so happens now that this new coronavirus, this Wuhan virus or CCP virus as we've been

00:25:44.940 calling it, if you look at the actual virus sequence, what does it show us?

00:25:50.820 Well, it has a very close match to a bat from, I believe it's Nanjing province.

00:25:57.000 Two different parts of it, one's over an 80% match.

00:26:00.120 The other is a 100% match to the different proteins.

00:26:04.460 Now, that bat coronavirus just so happens to have been submitted to the bat coronavirus 0.89

00:26:09.340 database by the Chinese military, PLA.

00:26:13.240 In other words, a PLA bat coronavirus is the closest match to this one, at least the virus 0.99

00:26:18.940 shell, the outer part of it.

00:26:21.040 Now, what makes, now these bat coronaviruses are not naturally transmittable to humans. 0.71

00:26:26.380 And so what makes it transmittable?

00:26:27.760 It's those little spike proteins, the little mushroom looking things coming off the virus.

00:26:33.600 It just so happens that that one, the one circulating now, appears to come from the

00:26:38.320 SARS virus, which is why they're calling it, you know, SARS-like virus, right?

00:26:43.700 And so this bat coronavirus is somehow a recombination, it appears, between this virus that was owned, 0.95

00:26:50.440 submitted by the Chinese military to the bat, to this coronavirus database, combined,

00:26:56.980 recombinated, not mutated, it appears, with the SARS virus.

00:27:01.840 So how did the SARS virus join with the bat coronavirus?

00:27:05.160 Just so happens that P4 laboratory was doing research on this.

00:27:08.280 They wrote papers on this.

00:27:09.780 This is the kind of stuff they were doing there.

00:27:12.220 And the fact of the matter that, you know, a virus gets out that just perfectly fits the

00:27:17.620 template of exactly what they were publicly saying they were doing at that laboratory spreads

00:27:22.160 globally, even fits the description of what people feared would happen if some of the viruses they

00:27:27.660 described got out.

00:27:29.760 And somehow it's called conspiracy, if you talk about it, at least has been until very recently.

00:27:34.920 I think UK government now and some other countries are seriously looking into the possibility

00:27:39.360 that it might be lab derived.

00:27:41.380 And I think this documentary really shows that.

00:27:43.940 Here, let's take a quick clip from the documentary that discusses exactly this recombination

00:27:49.520 that you're referring to.

00:27:50.920 Here, take a look.

00:27:51.520 After the Wuhan outbreak, Indian researchers compared the S-protein sequence between 2019

00:27:57.660 NCOV and SARS.

00:28:00.680 They discovered that 2019 NCOV had four new sequences inserted, all of which can be found

00:28:08.740 in HIV sequences through a search on GenBank.

00:28:13.220 Shi Zhengli discredited those observations.

00:28:15.920 Although she never denied the existence of the four inserted sequences.

00:28:20.520 However, scientists probing GenBank found that there were only three viruses containing

00:28:26.700 all sequences.

00:28:28.380 The first is the HIV virus itself.

00:28:32.120 The second is a bat coronavirus discovered by Shi. 0.99

00:28:36.460 And the third is this new Wuhan coronavirus.

00:28:40.800 We're talking with Joshua Phillip.

00:28:42.160 He's the narrator of this groundbreaking documentary published by Epoch Times.

00:28:47.140 Joshua, I can understand why the Chinese government would be absolutely terrified of their role

00:28:55.760 in this.

00:28:56.320 It's bad enough that people are dying from a, quote, accident.

00:28:59.900 But if this virus was engineered in their labs, if this was a military weapon that was either

00:29:08.540 purposefully or more likely accidentally released, I mean, at least Chernobyl in the Soviet Union,

00:29:15.800 it didn't explode on purpose.

00:29:17.540 It wasn't designed as a bomb.

00:29:19.680 It just was poorly engineered and there was safety protocols that weren't followed.

00:29:24.580 The cover-up was just to save face.

00:29:28.000 But here it's not even just about saving face.

00:29:30.720 This looks, and you mentioned the People's Liberation Army, this looks like it was a deliberate 0.73

00:29:36.420 weaponization of a virus.

00:29:39.240 It could be.

00:29:40.440 Now, when people talk about bioweapons, they, of course, point to the fact that the Chinese 1.00

00:29:45.620 Communist Party is a signatory in the Bioweapons Act. 0.85

00:29:48.240 They have agreed to not develop bioweapons, but even just, I think, 2018, 2019, the State

00:29:54.100 Department had a paper talking about this.

00:29:56.640 The Chinese Communist Party, we knew for a fact they had bioweapons programs going back 0.99

00:30:01.200 decades.

00:30:02.300 When they signed on to that program, they never even acknowledged the programs that we

00:30:06.240 knew they had, let alone showed any evidence they got rid of those programs.

00:30:11.220 The State Department was calling out the Chinese Communist Party even very recently, publicly,

00:30:15.680 before this whole virus came out, about this, noting even that a lot of the lab research

00:30:21.520 they have appears to be dual use.

00:30:24.020 In other words, for both civilian purposes and for military purposes, a lot of what they're

00:30:29.040 doing could be used for weaponization.

00:30:31.040 Now, when you're talking about bioweapons programs, let's be clear about this.

00:30:35.040 Countries around the world can talk all they want about how they don't have biowarfare programs.

00:30:40.300 You know what they call them?

00:30:41.560 They call them defensive programs.

00:30:43.340 Defensive programs are weapon programs.

00:30:46.560 And so they can run any experiments they want under the guise of defensive programs.

00:30:51.580 And when in reality, they can be used for weaponization.

00:30:54.560 Chinese Communist Party does it.

00:30:56.080 Many developed countries do it.

00:30:58.420 When it comes to the Chinese Communist Party, though, they've actually been very upfront,

00:31:02.880 very public about the nature of their interest in these types of weapons.

00:31:07.580 They have, for example, the unrestricted warfare doctrine.

00:31:11.060 They've had Chinese generals come out and talk about how they need to develop multiple

00:31:15.360 bioweapons for use against the United States specifically.

00:31:19.560 The logic behind that is nuclear weapons.

00:31:23.140 In other words, mass extermination of nations is mutually assured destruction.

00:31:29.140 It's not applicable.

00:31:30.260 It's not practical if you want to actually destroy another nation.

00:31:33.520 So what do they suggest?

00:31:34.760 They suggest bioweapons.

00:31:36.280 They've talked about this publicly.

00:31:38.280 They've had papers on this publicly.

00:31:41.020 And somehow I think that a lot of the academic, let's say, community, they tend to write off

00:31:48.340 a lot of what these Chinese generals say because it's so extreme, because it's so aggressively

00:31:52.860 hostile and violent and horrific that they have trouble believing it.

00:31:57.500 But the Chinese Communist Party has never tried hiding the fact that it does this, never tried 0.96

00:32:02.200 hiding the fact that this is part of their military doctrine and military program.

00:32:07.580 And it just so happens, yeah, that now that there is a appears to be a very destructive virus

00:32:12.820 that may may have come from a Chinese laboratory, at least the evidence does suggest this, had may

00:32:19.000 have connections to the Chinese military.

00:32:20.540 We know for a fact that the head of China's biowarfare programs took control of this laboratory

00:32:27.300 after this whole thing came out.

00:32:29.300 That laboratory is now under the control of the PLA's top biowarfare person.

00:32:35.700 And also during the building of the laboratory, a PLA-connected industry took over the construction.

00:32:42.280 Of course, they were working with France earlier on.

00:32:44.420 And when it comes to possible intentional, sorry, I'm in New York, you'd be amazed how

00:32:49.360 many ambulances we have driving around here.

00:32:53.900 But when we talk about possible leaks and possible intention to it, we've shown the documentary

00:32:58.980 some interesting information.

00:33:00.140 We look into the actual leadership of this laboratory.

00:33:03.160 And guess who we trace it to?

00:33:05.140 The sons of Jiang Zemin. 0.63

00:33:07.700 Jiang Zemin was two leaders ago.

00:33:10.020 He was the head of the Chinese Communist Party two leaders ago.

00:33:13.060 It was Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao, now Xi Jinping.

00:33:17.780 Jiang Zemin runs a rival faction to the current leadership of the Chinese Communist Party, Xi

00:33:22.880 Jinping. 0.95

00:33:23.820 His faction is really probably just as bad, if not worse, than Xi's faction.

00:33:28.940 And they've been at each other's throats.

00:33:31.040 Xi Jinping's whole anti-corruption campaign was purging a lot of people connected to the

00:33:35.660 Jiang faction.

00:33:36.960 Just so happens now this lab is tied to the Jiang faction, specifically to Jiang Zemin's

00:33:42.040 son.

00:33:43.060 And it just so happens, too, that guess who runs a lot of the medical institutions in

00:33:48.680 China, including the one that controls this Western drug that was given to China to treat

00:33:54.580 this virus, this Remendisphere, I can't pronounce it, just so happens to be Jiang Zemin's son.

00:34:01.620 In other words, the guy who's connected to that laboratory also runs the institutions that

00:34:06.560 control the possible cure for it.

00:34:08.280 And so, yeah, there is a very strong possibility in this.

00:34:12.700 Let's show a quick clip of the movie in this regard.

00:34:15.060 Here, take a look.

00:34:15.580 The Wuhan P4 Laboratory was a subsidiary of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is managed

00:34:23.840 by China Academy of Sciences.

00:34:26.100 The director of the laboratory was Juan Ximing, who was also the head of Chinese Academy of

00:34:32.000 Sciences' Wuhan chapter.

00:34:33.620 Design and funding for construction were the responsibilities of the ex-vice presidents of

00:34:40.340 the academy.

00:34:41.720 Jiang Mianheng from 1999 to 2011 and Chen Zhu from 2000 to 2007.

00:34:49.560 Jiang Mianheng was the eldest son of ex-CCP leader Jiang Zemin.

00:34:56.020 After Jiang Zemin ascended to power after the Tiananmen Square Massacre, his son entered the

00:35:01.120 academy and led the Institute of High Technologies Research and Development.

00:35:06.340 Jiang Mianheng created the Shanghai Institute of Life Sciences, and together with China Academy

00:35:13.780 of Sciences, Shanghai Colleges and Universities, Shanghai Hospitals, Military Hospitals, and

00:35:20.280 Research Institutions formed a profit group of life sciences organizations.

00:35:28.120 They controlled China's major life sciences research projects and allocation of massive

00:35:33.020 funding.

00:35:34.900 Jiang Zicheng, son of Jiang Mianheng, is the controlling shareholder of Wuxi App Tech, which in turn is

00:35:43.720 controlling Fosun Pharmaceutical, China's agent for remdesivir.

00:35:50.840 Effectively, Jiang Zicheng is the kingpin behind the specific medicine for the outbreak.

00:35:58.440 Meanwhile, Chen Zhu is the current president of the Red Cross Society of China, which had

00:36:04.440 faced numerous scandals since the outbreak.

00:36:08.340 We're talking with Joshua Phillip, the host and narrator of this blockbuster documentary.

00:36:12.320 Joshua, one of the excuses used by Western political leaders for being unprepared for this virus

00:36:20.560 sounds legitimate enough to me.

00:36:23.620 I mean, Taiwan wasn't fooled. 0.72

00:36:25.240 I think they know to distrust anything said by China or the World Health Organization.

00:36:30.940 But other leaders, including here in Canada, said, well, the World Health Organization told

00:36:35.520 us it wasn't that big a risk.

00:36:37.300 It wasn't transmissible.

00:36:39.620 The Chinese government has said only a few thousand people have died out of a mighty country

00:36:44.600 of 1.4 billion.

00:36:46.720 What do you think the actual death count in China is?

00:36:52.820 Because I find it hard to believe that it was as low as they say.

00:36:56.620 I find it hard to credit them when they say there are no more domestic cases.

00:37:01.500 It's all foreigners coming to China. 1.00

00:37:03.900 Using your sources, what do you estimate the real number of Chinese fatalities is?

00:37:11.280 I'd say it's easily in the millions.

00:37:14.460 Easily in the millions.

00:37:16.900 Now, one piece of evidence.

00:37:18.740 A terrible backfire in their own country.

00:37:21.780 Like I mentioned Chernobyl before, the death count from Chernobyl was nowhere this high.

00:37:27.840 I mean, it was a great disruption, great economic disruption.

00:37:30.380 It was a great moment of truth for the communist regime.

00:37:34.000 But millions of people did not die from Chernobyl.

00:37:37.880 And yet, Gorbachev said it was probably the central factor for the fall of the Soviet Union.

00:37:43.860 Millions dying in China.

00:37:45.500 How would we be able to corroborate that?

00:37:47.820 How would we be able to learn or know that?

00:37:50.000 So, Epoch Times, we've been making a lot of phone calls into China.

00:37:54.840 We also have a lot of sources on the ground in China.

00:37:57.720 You know, we're blacklisted in China, proudly blacklisted, because that means we're telling the truth about them. 1.00

00:38:02.960 And, of course, you tell the truth, kick you out.

00:38:04.820 We actually did have an office in China early on.

00:38:07.920 They arrested everyone.

00:38:09.640 Our editor spent 10 years in prison, and they tortured him.

00:38:12.540 That's what happens when you tell the truth in China.

00:38:14.260 And so, when it comes to this, of course, we've made phone calls into some of the funeral homes, into the cremation centers.

00:38:22.120 They said they told us they were working 24-7.

00:38:24.560 And even then, they did not have the capacity to cremate all the bodies.

00:38:29.440 The Chinese Communist Party brought in mobile incinerators into the city.

00:38:33.420 They said it was for other materials.

00:38:36.640 They didn't say it was for bodies.

00:38:37.780 We know that in Iran, the Iranian government is being accused of covering up the news as well.

00:38:44.500 There was a report in The Atlantic that estimated the number of infections in Iran could be 2 million.

00:38:49.180 There were other reports showing you can see the mass graves from space.

00:38:53.180 There were so many of them.

00:38:54.980 And Iran right now is calling out the Chinese Communist Party for lying to them about the lethality of this virus.

00:39:02.160 Even Iran, which is a close ally of China, is calling them out for this.

00:39:05.680 Let me ask you about the virus itself.

00:39:08.660 I saw an early commentator, it was speculation, but I want to bounce it off you,

00:39:13.780 who was looking at the demographics of who dies from this virus.

00:39:18.560 And it's typically older men.

00:39:21.620 And there may be some other demographic or ethnic characteristics to it.

00:39:29.540 I mean, I don't know.

00:39:31.400 And a theory that was bruited, again, this was pure speculation,

00:39:36.540 was that China itself might have a diabolical idea of culling its nonproductive senior citizens from the country.

00:39:50.900 I mean, I thought that was an outlandish thing when I heard it,

00:39:54.380 that China would actually want this virus to euthanize its old and unproductive population. 0.67

00:40:01.700 I don't think there was any basis for that other than observation of who this virus kills.

00:40:09.240 Do you think there's anything special about how this virus works that was deliberate?

00:40:15.220 Or was this just a pure attempt to weaponize a virus and its manifestations are just random?

00:40:23.960 It's possible.

00:40:25.340 I wouldn't put it beyond the Chinese Communist Party.

00:40:27.980 Let's put it that way.

00:40:29.380 When you're talking about targeting with bioweapons, development of bioweapons,

00:40:33.720 they can do that.

00:40:34.800 That's one of the reasons why biometrics can be such an issue.

00:40:39.280 You can target viruses in terms of bioweapons at specific, say, races, specific traits of genes.

00:40:47.620 If you remember, the U.S. military actually warned,

00:40:50.460 there was a warning going out to U.S. military personnel

00:40:53.520 to not use these different genealogy programs

00:40:57.600 because the genealogy analysis of DNA is being sent to these Chinese labs.

00:41:04.720 Now, why would the military warn personnel to not do these things

00:41:08.320 because the DNA is being processed in China?

00:41:12.420 I mean, you know, who knows?

00:41:15.080 Speculation.

00:41:16.020 But that came out, I think, last year.

00:41:18.680 And so, I mean, yeah, you can do that type of work.

00:41:21.760 You can alter a virus to target specific types of DNA,

00:41:27.040 specific types of individuals, even races.

00:41:29.620 You can do that.

00:41:31.120 So you're saying that 23andMe,

00:41:33.240 like when people take a sample of their saliva

00:41:35.400 and send it to 23andMe or others like it,

00:41:39.280 those are actually processed in China?

00:41:43.040 I can't remember off the top of my head exactly which companies,

00:41:45.560 but yes, a lot of them do process DNA in China.

00:41:49.100 Allegedly, when they do it, they don't include the name of the individual.

00:41:52.900 But yes, a lot of them process it in Chinese labs.

00:41:56.600 Yeah, that's shocking.

00:41:57.680 Well, how is this going to end?

00:41:59.480 I mean, will it ever end?

00:42:03.140 I guess there's two parts to that question.

00:42:04.920 One is the health question, but the other is politically.

00:42:08.820 I mean, we saw yesterday Donald Trump musing

00:42:10.860 about getting out of the World Health Organization.

00:42:13.480 I think that's very healthy.

00:42:14.260 I see Taiwan has come out of this looking responsible 1.00

00:42:20.340 and public-minded, and I really like how Taiwan is looking

00:42:26.200 and how they're behaving.

00:42:28.400 So I see some hope.

00:42:30.700 But if China did misbehave in the way that your documentary suggests,

00:42:38.620 do you see a larger realignment,

00:42:44.000 a disconnect, a disconnecting of industry and security from China,

00:42:50.900 a marginalization and maybe even a pariah status of China

00:42:55.840 akin to South Africa during apartheid era?

00:42:59.380 Do you see the denormalization of China, 0.95

00:43:03.340 or is their financial clout and military clout just too powerful?

00:43:08.620 I think we're already seeing this happening,

00:43:11.580 that the United States appears to be pulling out a lot of companies from China.

00:43:14.980 Companies are pulling out themselves from China

00:43:16.980 because really they can't manufacture there right now.

00:43:19.880 They're realizing now that China is a national security threat on many, many fronts.

00:43:25.160 The Chinese Communist Party is hostile towards the West,

00:43:28.400 towards the United States especially,

00:43:30.660 that it will hold medical equipment, essentially ransom,

00:43:35.720 unless foreign countries want to cooperate with it.

00:43:39.360 France right now, for example.

00:43:41.200 China is only saying they'll give them masks if they agree to install 5G from Huawei.

00:43:47.340 And so, yes, the Chinese Communist Party is in a very bad state,

00:43:50.240 and yes, Taiwan is in a very good state,

00:43:52.120 because Taiwan used to be recognized as the official government of China.

00:43:56.580 They were the government in exile.

00:43:57.720 The U.N. was the first to recognize the Chinese Communist Party as the government of China.

00:44:02.500 The U.S. unfortunately followed that.

00:44:05.040 The Chinese Communist Party is a murderous regime.

00:44:08.940 Under Mao Zedong alone, killed between 50 million and 70 million Chinese people.

00:44:13.780 It is continuing to do these kinds of abuses.

00:44:16.860 It's abuses against democracy activists,

00:44:19.720 against, say, people who are critical of the regime,

00:44:23.200 people who even spread online, you know, rumors, as they call them,

00:44:26.700 information about viruses like this, like the deal with these doctors,

00:44:30.340 citizen journalists, people who believe in religion,

00:44:34.060 whether it be Muslims or Christians, Falun Gong or Tibetan Buddhists,

00:44:38.140 brutally persecuted in China.

00:44:40.440 I think the world needs to realize what the Chinese Communist Party is.

00:44:44.580 It is not a system that is in any way friendly to us,

00:44:48.080 and it is one that is extremely abusive to the Chinese people.

00:44:54.000 And I believe this is exposing that in a way that,

00:44:57.340 I mean, I never saw it coming.

00:44:59.020 I think everybody's starting to see now the nature of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:45:04.280 Well, this is riveting.

00:45:05.460 I want to tell our viewers that we will have a link

00:45:07.460 to the full documentary below this video,

00:45:10.900 and we've embedded it on our website as well.

00:45:14.160 Joshua, I admire your work.

00:45:15.760 Tell us where people can go to learn more.

00:45:19.700 There's your website, Epoch Times.

00:45:21.720 There's the paper, newspaper, that you publish in English.

00:45:26.620 Tell us some of the places people can go if they want to go deeper on this,

00:45:30.460 websites or other advice you have for our viewers.

00:45:34.700 You can go to theepochtimes.com,

00:45:37.620 T-H-E-E-P-O-C-H-T-I-M-E-S.com.

00:45:41.700 You can also check out my show.

00:45:43.220 It's Crossroads with Joshua Phillip.

00:45:45.280 You can find us on the Epoch Times homepage or on YouTube.

00:45:49.500 And those are probably the best places for you.

00:45:51.840 Excellent.

00:45:52.420 Well, thank you.

00:45:53.460 Stay safe.

00:45:54.800 This documentary certainly puts you, you were before,

00:45:58.980 but you're definitely on the top 10 bad guys list for Communist China.

00:46:03.620 So stay safe because they are desperate now and your documentary only adds to the pressure on them.

00:46:12.340 Congratulations and thank you for coming on our show today.

00:46:15.960 My pleasure.

00:46:16.760 Thank you.

00:46:17.480 All right.

00:46:17.880 There you have it.

00:46:18.340 Joshua Phillip from theepochtimes.com.

00:46:21.240 We'll have the link below this video.

00:46:23.840 Check out the full documentary.

00:46:25.680 It's about 55 minutes.

00:46:26.640 I promise you,

00:46:27.700 you will learn more from that than from anything you've learned in the mainstream media.

00:46:31.920 And you'll recognize friends of the show,

00:46:33.620 including our friend Gordon Chang.

00:46:36.140 Stay with us.

00:46:36.740 There's more ahead on The Rebel.

00:46:46.740 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about seven things that are better now because of the pandemic.

00:46:51.500 Matt writes,

00:46:52.920 There are many people who appreciate alternative points of view from the mainstream,

00:46:56.180 and we also spread the word and try to get others thinking critically.

00:46:58.780 Thanks.

00:46:59.100 Seriously.

00:46:59.760 Wow, that's nice of you to say.

00:47:01.000 I think we have too many think-alikes.

00:47:02.920 And even though there's a few of us who are dissenters or critics or independent thinkers,

00:47:08.880 Trudeau does his best to lock us out,

00:47:11.260 banning us from reporting things like his daily pajama briefs outside his house.

00:47:17.400 Jack writes,

00:47:18.520 Many companies were failing before the pandemic that could have used a bailout,

00:47:21.620 but the government did not fund them.

00:47:23.280 Why is the media getting funding other than Trudeau buying his support group?

00:47:27.040 Well, that's exactly right.

00:47:28.180 And that's what I talked about today in my monologue.

00:47:29.760 I mean, the railway blockades, that wasn't even a natural shutdown of a company.

00:47:36.260 That was illegal acts.

00:47:37.920 The police had no problem with illegal blockades of railways.

00:47:41.440 Oh, but my God, if you sit on a park bench in the city of Ottawa by yourself, you'll get a ticket.

00:47:48.320 Did you know that?

00:47:50.000 On my interview with Dr. Peter Chang, Ron writes,

00:47:51.980 Would you please take the interview with Peter Chang from Taiwan out from behind the paywall

00:47:56.960 so viewers can send it to our provincial, federal and provincial health ministers, officers and ministers?

00:48:01.860 Ron, I think we did.

00:48:02.840 I think we put that on YouTube.

00:48:04.340 And I learned a lot from him.

00:48:06.180 And we put subtitles on that just to make him slightly easier to understand because of his accent.

00:48:11.000 But I was really glad he joined us from Taiwan.

00:48:14.040 You know, we tried to send a journalist to Taiwan, but they told us that he would be stuck in quarantine for 14 days

00:48:22.820 because they're very strict about it.

00:48:24.800 And I just didn't want to tie up one of our people for 14 days in a hotel in Taipei before they could get out and do a story.

00:48:31.820 Well, that's our show for today.

00:48:33.380 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:48:36.380 good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:48:38.100 We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - April 09, 2020

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