Rebel News Podcast - Trudeau's CBC silent on the China Files

00:00:00.000 Tonight, the China files are being reported all around the world, but two days later,

00:00:19.840 the CBC is still completely silent. It's December 11th, and this is the Ezra LeVance Show.

00:00:25.660 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:31.600 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:35.680 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:46.300 I've got to tell you, the China files are the biggest story we've ever done.

00:00:49.780 As you know, we released them on a website called thechinaphiles.com on Wednesday.

00:00:54.540 We put all 34 pages unredacted of military communications about the joint tactics and practices and exercises

00:01:03.280 and exchanges between the Canadian Armed Forces and the People's Liberation Army of China.

00:01:08.400 Shocking story. It became our most important story ever.

00:01:11.740 And we invited the world's media to take those documents and run with them, too.

00:01:16.360 There's so many stories in there that still haven't been unpacked.

00:01:19.800 The fact that we broke the news, that's a feather in our cap, but that shouldn't stop anyone from covering the news.

00:01:25.600 And indeed, others did.

00:01:26.700 As you know, the Globe and Mail covered the story.

00:01:29.580 Breitbart.com made it their top story that same day we released it.

00:01:34.380 Well, after the documents were digested a bit, because in all candor,

00:01:38.940 it takes a little bit of time to understand the lingo, the jargon, the abbreviations in these documents.

00:01:45.340 And so it takes about a day to work through them and think through them.

00:01:48.920 So yesterday was such a big day.

00:01:51.740 I want to tell you how my day went with this story.

00:01:54.400 It started out, I was interviewed on Glenn Beck's national radio show.

00:01:59.800 You know Glenn Beck.

00:02:01.300 He is one of the biggest radio shows in America, one of the greatest listener bases.

00:02:06.700 Here's just a clip of how that went.

00:02:08.240 You'll see that he also has a video stream of his radio show, but the primary listenership was on radio.

00:02:15.780 Here's a couple minutes of that.

00:02:17.300 I say again, this winter warfare training was canceled, but 17 other military exchanges with the People's Liberation Army are shown in these documents.

00:02:29.500 I mean, for example, I'm holding in my hand a document that you can see on thechinafiles.com.

00:02:33.860 We are training one and two star generals in Canada, one or two star generals of the People's Liberation Army.

00:02:42.480 We're training colonels and commanders and majors, and then we're sending Canadians to China to go on exchanges.

00:02:52.880 And I'm worried.

00:02:54.380 For example, there was an event in October of 2019 in Wuhan, of all places.

00:03:01.320 We sent nearly 200 Canadian forces, young men and women.

00:03:07.360 And not only was that a propaganda win for China, but I'm worried, putting aside the virus, that we literally sent them to Wuhan the month before the virus broke up. 0.90

00:03:16.140 You send 200 young, single men and women, lonely, away from home, discombobulated.

00:03:24.040 Well, maybe some young cadets of the People's Liberation Army sidle up to a lonely Canadian soldier at night and say, hey, you want to go for a beer?

00:03:33.460 And before you know it, there's a honey trap, there's an extortion, or just, you know, what are you doing sending 200 young men and women to Wuhan for a nine-day military games?

00:03:47.940 Yeah.

00:03:48.600 Why, what are you doing?

00:03:50.340 Don't worry about that.

00:03:51.260 We've already, we've gone through this with Eric Swalwell, and there's nothing to see there.

00:03:55.880 That's not going to happen.

00:03:56.940 Well, what a great way to start the day.

00:03:58.880 We did a lot of other American media, too.

00:04:01.540 For example, I went on the always entertaining Alex Jones' show on InfoWars.

00:04:07.520 Here's just a quick clip of that.

00:04:08.760 Well, this is 100 times crazier than a Tom Clancy novel.

00:04:12.640 We have the co-author with Tom Clancy, Dr. Steve Buchanan, joining us next hour.

00:04:16.640 This is the real world.

00:04:19.500 And I've been interviewing Ezra Ovant for probably six, seven years.

00:04:22.940 I've known who he is for over a decade.

00:04:24.440 The guy's a great journalist, an amazing person.

00:04:27.020 I sleep good at night knowing he's out there, literally. 0.98

00:04:29.340 Now, you know, most guests, I don't add those type of platitudes, but he really kicks ass. 0.92

00:04:33.020 To have him say this is the biggest thing he's ever broke, because it exposes all this 0.64

00:04:36.780 clandestine training no one knew about, and the military saying we're concerned, and allies

00:04:41.200 are concerned, and Trudeau flipping out like the little globalist he is.

00:04:45.420 I mean, Ezra, when you say this is huge, this is seismic.

00:04:48.080 You were getting to a big point, though, when you got cut off by the break.

00:04:51.340 No problem.

00:04:52.120 Listen, I want to tell you, you know, in my own way, this was my bohemian grove.

00:04:57.180 When you went there and saw with your eyes what you always sensed, then you knew you were

00:05:02.120 on the right track.

00:05:02.880 It confirmed your suspicions.

00:05:04.480 Same thing here.

00:05:05.740 I did not know how pervasive the anti-American nature of our bureaucracy was and the pro-China

00:05:14.360 nature.

00:05:15.020 See, we knew that Justin Trudeau, like his father, Pierre Trudeau, the prime minister of

00:05:20.060 Canada a generation ago, we knew he had a soft spot for communist regimes.

00:05:24.560 The Trudeaus loved Castro. 0.99

00:05:26.600 Pierre Trudeau went to the Soviet Union on a holiday, said Siberia was the land of the

00:05:31.260 future.

00:05:31.460 So we knew that the Trudeau family had a soft spot for tyranny, but we did not know how

00:05:36.980 deep it went into the bureaucracy.

00:05:39.420 I know he's not everyone's cup of tea, but I like the guy.

00:05:42.300 He's a born entertainer, high energy, and he's really interested in China and their plans

00:05:47.560 to dominate the world.

00:05:48.840 A lot of his warnings about that country have come true.

00:05:52.380 I did media in Canada, too, including the great John Gormley, the biggest and bestest radio

00:05:58.740 host in Saskatchewan.

00:05:59.820 What a pleasure to be on with him.

00:06:01.560 But I have to tell you, the highlight of my day yesterday was appearing on Tucker Carlson's

00:06:07.700 show on Fox News.

00:06:09.080 I'd never been on it before.

00:06:09.960 I'd been on Fox before other shows.

00:06:12.840 But to be on his show, the most watched show on the most watched cable news network in America

00:06:19.840 was pretty incredible.

00:06:21.480 And it's just a four and a half minute clip.

00:06:23.800 It's pretty quick.

00:06:24.940 But you tell me, what do you think of this?

00:06:27.640 Here's a story that's hard to believe, but it's real.

00:06:30.140 Canada's Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, invited China's People's Liberation Army to send its

00:06:35.660 troops to Canada for special cold weather training at a base in Ontario.

00:06:41.580 That training was canceled after China kidnapped two of Canada's citizens and held them for years.

00:06:46.320 A top aide to the prime minister then complained about the cancellation to the Department of

00:06:51.260 Defense in Canada.

00:06:52.460 Quote, Canada does not want to be the partner that is reducing normal bilateral interactions.

00:06:58.700 In other words, it's immoral for us not to train Chinese soldiers, probably to kill us at some point. 1.00

00:07:06.220 Now, that's not the first time Justin Trudeau has sided with the communist government of China.

00:07:11.040 A few years back, he marveled at how the Central Committee managed to keep the trains running on time.

00:07:17.200 Watch.

00:07:18.360 There's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship

00:07:27.940 is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime.

00:07:33.780 Ezra Levant is the founder of Rebel News in Canada.

00:07:37.140 He broke this story.

00:07:39.300 It's an amazing story.

00:07:40.460 And he joins us tonight.

00:07:41.280 Ezra, thanks so much for coming on.

00:07:43.180 I read this.

00:07:43.760 My first reaction was this cannot be true.

00:07:46.420 Your prime minister offered to train Chinese troops in Canada.

00:07:50.820 Why would he do that?

00:07:52.980 It's a shock to Canadians, too.

00:07:55.920 That cold weather warfare that you're referring to was just one of 18 different joint projects

00:08:02.880 the Canadian Armed Forces had with the People's Liberation Army in 2019 alone.

00:08:10.320 Canada is training one- and two-star Chinese generals in our war colleges.

00:08:16.520 We're training lieutenants and majors, commanders.

00:08:21.240 We're sending Canadians over to China. 1.00

00:08:24.120 We're bringing Chinese—I think they're not just soldiers.

00:08:27.260 I think they're spies as well—to Canada, and I don't know a single person in this country

00:08:32.440 who knew about it, but it's been happening.

00:08:36.000 And we found out about it really by accident when the government sent me freedom of information

00:08:42.840 documents and forgot to black them out.

00:08:45.220 Or maybe, frankly, someone inside the government wanted to blow the whistle on this incredibly

00:08:50.240 upside-down relationship.

00:08:52.520 In those same memos you're talking about, Trudeau's office was supporting China and condemning the

00:08:59.660 Trump administration.

00:09:00.460 It was upside-down.

00:09:02.100 It was inverted morality.

00:09:03.720 It's seeping all the way into our bureaucracy, our diplomacy, and they're trying to get the

00:09:07.800 military on side, too.

00:09:10.940 I mean, with respect, we're Americans, so our concern is the United States.

00:09:15.520 Canada is our biggest trading partner.

00:09:17.960 We have the closest relationship with Canada of any country, obviously, in the world.

00:09:23.340 This seems like an obvious threat to American national security.

00:09:27.080 Does the Trump administration believe that, do you think?

00:09:30.320 Well, in fact, in these memos, you can see that the Trump administration warned Canada that this

00:09:36.400 winter warfare training would transfer knowledge to China that could be used.

00:09:41.580 They don't explain what to be used to take on Uyghurs in Xinjiang, Tibetans to fight India in the 1.00

00:09:48.140 Himalayas, or even to fight us. 0.97

00:09:50.140 And when the military, the Canadian military, said our American allies or our allies are concerned

00:09:55.520 about this, Trudeau's staff pushed back and said, is it just the Trump administration or is anyone

00:10:00.780 else worried about it?

00:10:02.100 So there's an antipathy towards America that seeps through all these secret documents, and

00:10:07.700 the overarching goal is to let China's president, Xi Jinping, save face.

00:10:14.080 I want to tell you, though, Tucker, that is not the view shared by grassroots Canadians.

00:10:18.560 Ever since China kidnapped those two civilians two years ago today, actually, Canadian public

00:10:23.980 opinion has hardened against China.

00:10:26.220 And the last Pew poll I saw actually says that Canadians are more hostile to China than

00:10:32.460 Americans are.

00:10:33.820 You have every reason to be.

00:10:35.580 Ezra, thank you so much, and congratulations on Rebel News.

00:10:38.320 I know you take a lot of abuse up in Canada, but you do a great job.

00:10:40.980 We appreciate it.

00:10:41.640 Well, I felt pretty good about that.

00:10:43.240 I think I managed to convey the story.

00:10:45.640 It was very brief, but I think the story got out there, and that look on Tucker's face,

00:10:49.840 he was stunned by the facts.

00:10:51.940 I thought his compliment towards us at the end was very nice.

00:10:54.640 We have put up with a lot of BS, but we keep fighting for freedom no matter what.

00:10:59.660 I really enjoyed that, and my phone rang off the hook.

00:11:02.300 Text messages, phone calls, emails.

00:11:05.140 It's amazing when you're on a show that regularly gets three, four, five million viewers live,

00:11:10.600 plus many more online afterwards.

00:11:13.420 So many people I actually haven't spoken to in years reached out to say they saw it.

00:11:17.740 I felt pretty proud about that, and it vindicates our reporting on the subject.

00:11:22.560 I woke up this morning, and that Tucker Carlson interview gave a real nitrogen boost to the story.

00:11:30.900 The Daily Mail, one of the largest newspapers in the English language, based in London on Fleet Street,

00:11:37.460 or at least it used to be, did a massive story.

00:11:42.180 And what's interesting is how they describe Rebel News.

00:11:44.720 I've been in the Daily Mail before, typically for my civil liberties work with Tommy Robinson,

00:11:49.240 and they used to call me right-wing Ezra Levin, and I guess I am sort of right-wing,

00:11:53.700 but not in a negative way, as they sometimes use that term in the Daily Mail.

00:11:57.680 Well, this morning, they called me conservative, and I plead guilty to that.

00:12:03.120 Here, take a look at this Daily Mail article, just enormous, not to be outdone.

00:12:08.760 The New York Post covered the story, too.

00:12:11.160 The New York Post, a newspaper more than 200 years old, founded by Alexander Hamilton,

00:12:18.460 just an incredible newspaper, one of the great tabloids of America, covered the story, too.

00:12:22.700 And even the National Post in Canada, they covered the story fairly tepidly at first,

00:12:28.920 but then Father Raymond D'Souza weighed in with a very complimentary tip of the hat to us

00:12:35.060 for having broken the story.

00:12:36.960 Here's a few lines of that, as you can see.

00:12:39.340 They call us rambunctious.

00:12:41.240 Again, that's an improvement by how the National Post sometimes describes us.

00:12:46.560 I see the Globe and Mail is doing more work on the China File.

00:12:49.480 They always do.

00:12:50.200 They really are the best newspaper in Canada on the China File.

00:12:53.480 I can't dispute it.

00:12:54.700 And they're keeping the story going, talking about Canada's ambassador to China,

00:13:00.160 the new ambassador, and his role in that country and some of their goings-on.

00:13:05.180 I've also seen our story, the China File, covered in media as far away as India and Israel.

00:13:14.320 So our story has legs.

00:13:16.680 We're going to talk to Gordon G. Chang in a moment, and he'll give you his thoughts.

00:13:20.280 He's a bit of an expert.

00:13:20.980 So we've just gone around the country, around North America and around the world.

00:13:26.200 The total viewership and readership of this story on our own website,

00:13:32.900 between YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and the website itself,

00:13:36.760 is approaching a million when you add up all those different channels we have.

00:13:42.000 Approaching a million, which is pretty big for us.

00:13:44.040 But I say again, Tucker alone adds, what, five million?

00:13:49.060 The Daily Mail adds millions more?

00:13:51.820 I think it's for just an estimate that our story on the China File has been viewed

00:13:57.040 probably 10 million times.

00:14:01.520 It's probably the biggest story we've ever done, and with good reason. 0.99

00:14:06.020 It's an important story that touches on the hottest topics of the day.

00:14:09.200 There's a reason it was marked secret,

00:14:11.620 and there's a reason why it's so scandalous that it's been revealed.

00:14:15.900 So I ask you this question.

00:14:18.680 If the Globe and Mail has talked about it,

00:14:20.320 and if the National Post has talked about it,

00:14:21.680 and let's not forget our friend Joe Warmington at the Toronto Sun,

00:14:25.760 who has this story, moving the story forward,

00:14:28.440 showing that in fact, despite denials contrary by Harjit Sajan,

00:14:34.300 in fact, Chinese forces did come to CFB Potawawa in 2018

00:14:39.680 for a winter warfare training.

00:14:41.260 So that's a scoop from Joe Warmington there.

00:14:44.760 So let's go through.

00:14:46.100 We've got Rebel News, we've got Globe and Mail,

00:14:47.820 we've got National Post, we've got Toronto Sun,

00:14:49.920 we've got all the foreign papers.

00:14:51.180 Is there something missing?

00:14:52.220 Is there someone missing here?

00:14:55.340 The CBC.

00:14:58.000 Where is Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster?

00:15:01.560 Is this a Canadian story?

00:15:03.360 Why, yes it is.

00:15:04.200 It's about the Canadian military.

00:15:06.140 Is it news?

00:15:07.480 It's the very definition of news.

00:15:09.040 It's a news story.

00:15:11.260 Is it noteworthy?

00:15:13.560 Incredibly so.

00:15:14.300 Are the documents legitimate?

00:15:15.780 Yes, the government themselves has confirmed that.

00:15:18.340 They said they didn't want us to publish it.

00:15:20.420 They acknowledge that they're legitimate.

00:15:22.820 Is China in the news?

00:15:24.340 Very much so.

00:15:25.080 Yesterday alone was the two-year anniversary of the kidnapping of Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig.

00:15:30.220 There is nothing about this story that is not newsworthy.

00:15:35.000 It's about politicians and bureaucrats versus military men.

00:15:38.520 It's about our NATO and Five Eyes alliances.

00:15:42.080 It's about, you know, blacked out documents being revealed.

00:15:47.660 Everything about this story is news.

00:15:50.740 Don't take my opinion for it.

00:15:52.180 Take it the opinion of every editor I've just outlined going with it.

00:15:56.040 Why has the CBC not written one word about it?

00:16:02.740 Is it because they don't like leaked documents?

00:16:06.640 No.

00:16:07.760 No, I'll just tell you.

00:16:08.600 No, it's the answer to that.

00:16:10.160 They published WikiLeaks with great pride.

00:16:12.460 They published Edward Snowden, a Chinese spy who leaked secret documents about the United States.

00:16:18.180 They published Donald Trump's leaked personal taxes.

00:16:21.700 You could say that's a private matter, not a public matter, but it was newsworthy they ran with it.

00:16:28.600 So they'll run leaked documents that embarrass, in all the cases I just mentioned, the United States and Donald Trump in particular.

00:16:36.760 Why won't they run a leaked document?

00:16:39.600 It wasn't actually leaked.

00:16:40.540 It was just given to us about Canada.

00:16:44.180 Well, we know why.

00:16:46.280 Because they're a state broadcaster.

00:16:48.020 It's the same reason why China's state broadcasters haven't run on this either.

00:16:53.120 Extremely newsworthy about China.

00:16:55.440 But you see, that would embarrass Xi Jinping.

00:16:58.940 That's why their state broadcaster doesn't do it.

00:17:01.380 And same thing here.

00:17:02.720 Our state broadcaster is not allowed to embarrass Justin Trudeau.

00:17:07.340 I want to give you an update on how I ended my monologue yesterday.

00:17:10.880 I wrote back to the Conservative Party of Canada and said, hey, happy to talk to Aaron O'Toole at any hour of the day, even via Skype.

00:17:19.640 Happy to accommodate.

00:17:20.560 And if he's too busy, happy to talk to his critics on the subject any time of day.

00:17:25.460 I wrote back a second time to James Bazan.

00:17:28.200 No answer, no answer, no answer.

00:17:30.480 And I've got to tell you, after yesterday's great publicity, where I was on the biggest show in North America and we were picked up by some of the biggest newspapers around the world, where we maybe had 10 million eyeballs on our story.

00:17:47.780 For me to reach out to Aaron O'Toole and say, hey, why don't you come and talk about this subject?

00:17:51.800 You had your own press conference.

00:17:53.020 No one even asked you questions about it.

00:17:55.040 And to be given the silent treatment, I want to tell you, it didn't make me feel bad.

00:18:04.100 I mean, Aaron O'Toole wasn't in the newspapers, wasn't on cable news, didn't have 10 million eyes and ears on him yesterday.

00:18:11.980 We did.

00:18:13.420 And I have no antipathy towards Aaron O'Toole.

00:18:16.040 I mean, I really didn't take a strong position in the last leadership campaign other than I was critical of Peter McCain.

00:18:21.700 But if he's playing the same game of Andrew Scheer, of thinking that talking to Rebel News about incredible news is embarrassing with the cool kids at the CBC,

00:18:36.220 then I'm afraid he's going to have the same results as Andrew Scheer, which are, look, if you're relying on the media party to tell your story, they simply will not.

00:18:45.980 And if you're letting them veto who you will and won't talk to, and there's no real reason, like you don't want to talk to the source of the story about this story.

00:18:57.060 If that's your media strategy, how are you going to win?

00:19:02.420 How are you going to speak to your base, let alone the broader world?

00:19:06.000 We had 10 million people paying attention to our story yesterday.

00:19:10.040 I feel like we would be doing O'Toole a favor by giving him a platform.

00:19:17.540 He's not doing us a favor by blessing us with his time.

00:19:21.320 If I sound defensive on this, it's sort of the opposite.

00:19:25.820 I think we just had the best day in the life of Rebel News.

00:19:32.320 And who's Aaron O'Toole again?

00:19:34.840 Stay with us for more.

00:19:35.900 Welcome back.

00:19:48.540 Well, it's been quite a kerfuffle, The China Files, all 34 pages which we've posted for the world to look at unredacted at thechinafiles.com.

00:19:59.700 Last night, I was on the Tucker Carlson Show, the top-rated cable news channel in the United States.

00:20:05.720 This morning, I see the Daily Mail in London, one of the largest newspapers in that country, had a massive expose.

00:20:13.980 Curiously, our own CBC state broadcaster has not touched the subject, even though the validity of the documents has been corroborated by the government.

00:20:24.200 Well, if it comes to assessing China's slow infiltration of the politics of the West, there's no greater expert, there's no one who's been following this subject more carefully and for a longer time than our next guest.

00:20:38.380 You know who I'm talking about, Gordon Chang.

00:20:41.260 And you absolutely must be following him on Twitter, if you're not already, at Gordon G. Chang.

00:20:48.520 Gordon, great to see you again.

00:20:49.640 Thanks for making time.

00:20:51.200 You're so busy in the United States with the news that a congressman has been credibly accused of having a personal affair with a Chinese spy.

00:21:02.620 That's been big news in America.

00:21:04.280 What do you think of our news that our Canadian Armed Forces have actually openly, well, not quite openly, but formally been doing military exchanges and joint projects with the People's Liberation Army?

00:21:17.840 Well, thanks, Ezra.

00:21:20.720 This, the overtures of Justin Trudeau to China, you know, just seems to me to be out of bounds.

00:21:28.640 Really, what they're talking about is that Trudeau wanted the Canadian military to teach the Chinese military how to fight in cold weather.

00:21:37.720 And the question is, why would the Chinese want to know that? 1.00

00:21:42.280 And obviously, this is going to be a threat to Canada directly itself.

00:21:46.320 But also, this is something that China can use against India.

00:21:50.620 Since the first week of May, Chinese troops have been involved in incursions in three areas in Ladakh, high in the Himalayas.

00:21:58.580 We know that China is also engaged in incursions in Nepal and Bhutan recently.

00:22:05.300 So Canada should not be helping the world's greatest threat try to break apart other countries.

00:22:11.940 Yeah, I find it troubling.

00:22:14.060 And apparently, the United States Department of Defense did also.

00:22:18.120 They gave a warning to Canada about what they called a knowledge transfer.

00:22:23.260 Now, what we can tell, there were two such training sessions in cold weather warfare that did happen, Gordon.

00:22:31.660 The first happened in China when Canadian forces went to China.

00:22:37.300 And you can see, here's a tweet by the Canadian Army boasting about it.

00:22:41.720 Four photos, including Skidoos, which I think are a Canadian brand.

00:22:46.280 So here they are boasting about joint training with the Chinese People's Liberation Army in China.

00:22:52.520 And you can see in that tweet, they say, that they reciprocated the invitation at Petawawa.

00:22:58.700 That's the name of a military base in Ontario.

00:23:01.200 And yesterday, the Toronto Sun confirmed that that invitation happened.

00:23:07.100 That in February 2018, they did, in fact, train Chinese troops at Petawawa.

00:23:13.620 So this would have been two training sessions in 2018.

00:23:16.840 The first in January, the second in February.

00:23:19.040 Now, it looks like the 2019 one was cancelled, but Gordon, I want to ask you this.

00:23:25.040 There were still 17 other exchanges with the People's Liberation Army in the year 2019, including,

00:23:33.400 and I'd love your comments on this, we were training one-star and two-star generals at our military colleges.

00:23:41.900 Does anyone else do that, Gordon?

00:23:44.160 Do other allies train their enemies' generals like that?

00:23:50.040 Chinese generals and flag officers and even colonels have been at military institutes in other countries.

00:23:58.740 But this has been stopped in a number of different places, and you can understand why.

00:24:04.040 And that is because countries understand that China is incurably militant right now under the Communist Party.

00:24:11.060 So these types of training exercises are on the way out, largely because they are now counterproductive to global peace.

00:24:21.320 And Canada should immediately terminate all of these relationships it has with the People's Liberation Army.

00:24:27.900 I think there's a role for keeping lines of communication open.

00:24:31.040 I mean, during the Cold War, there was that hotline between Moscow and Washington,

00:24:35.260 just so there was no misunderstandings that war didn't start by accident.

00:24:39.120 I think that makes sense for that.

00:24:40.920 But when we're inviting people to train at the Canadian Forces College, like, that's our war school.

00:24:47.640 I think that's much more than just lines of communication.

00:24:50.660 That's actually teaching our tricks of the trade, our learnings.

00:24:56.380 I mean, Canada and NATO, we've been learning warfare for decades together,

00:25:00.460 and we're just giving that technology transfer to the PLA.

00:25:04.200 That's what I find creepy about this.

00:25:05.860 I'm all for having, you know, lines of communication.

00:25:08.780 That's good sense, diplomatically and militarily.

00:25:11.680 But I feel like this has gone much beyond that.

00:25:14.480 Yeah, well, certainly it has.

00:25:15.700 And that's the product of the engagement theory, which held that as China grew stronger, it would become benign.

00:25:22.060 Whereas we've seen that, in fact, the opposite is true.

00:25:25.160 It's become more hostile, more belligerent, certainly more dangerous.

00:25:29.560 You know, and these lines of communication that you talk about, Ezra, I think as a general matter, you're right.

00:25:35.020 But these hotlines with China don't work, because when China doesn't want to talk to you, they don't pick up the hotline.

00:25:40.760 So, essentially, you just might as well have, you know, a phone call, a phone line open, and that's about it.

00:25:49.740 Because when the Chinese don't want to talk, you know, they just are making sure that there is no communication. 1.00

00:25:56.960 I want to ask you one last question, and I know I've got to set you free,

00:26:00.040 because you're in such demand, talking about this next matter, that Eric Swalwell,

00:26:05.480 the Democrat congressman who actually briefly ran for president,

00:26:09.940 and there's a lot of allegations, and there seems to be some evidence

00:26:13.440 that he had an intimate affair with a Chinese agent,

00:26:18.080 Feng Feng, I think was her name in Chinese.

00:26:20.880 And she may have had relationships with other rising stars in politics. 0.58

00:26:26.520 And I want to ask you about, because that, I mean, I think that's called a honey trap in by trade.

00:26:33.600 I mean, what is this man's sensitivity?

00:26:35.820 Is he a gambler?

00:26:37.580 Does he need money? 0.67

00:26:38.580 Is he sexually frustrated?

00:26:41.140 Does he want a cute girlfriend?

00:26:43.080 And I was thinking about Swalwell when I was looking at one more of the 18 exchanges that Canada had with China.

00:26:51.080 Let me tell you, but you probably know about it.

00:26:52.920 In Wuhan in the fall, in October of 2019, so right before the pandemic became a big deal,

00:27:03.580 China hosted the Military World Games, sort of like an Olympics, but just for soldiers.

00:27:09.820 And Canada sent nearly 200 military personnel as athletes and coaches and trainers.

00:27:18.880 So you had nearly 200 young, fit, probably attractive, probably single men and women to China for,

00:27:29.400 I think it was nine days or 11 days, like a pretty long time.

00:27:33.180 And they would be maybe homesick, maybe lonely, maybe disoriented,

00:27:37.040 maybe looking to burn off some steam, blow off some steam.

00:27:40.100 I got to think that that was a spying bonanza for China, at the very least just to find out who these people are

00:27:51.380 and learn a little bit more about the military.

00:27:53.540 But it would not shock me, and I'm not blaming anyone or accusing anyone,

00:27:57.260 but it wouldn't shock me if China tried to seduce, like romantically, sexually, 1.00

00:28:03.580 or otherwise blackmail these young men and women from the Canadian Armed Forces

00:28:08.440 who were in China for nine days at a big party.

00:28:11.940 I mean, maybe I'm being too paranoid, but I think that that would be a bonanza opportunity

00:28:17.300 for the kind of thing that we've seen with Eric Swalwell.

00:28:21.100 Well, certainly.

00:28:22.200 You know, with Fong Fong, who is suspected to be the Ministry of State Security agent

00:28:26.680 who was close to Swalwell, she actually had sexual relations with two Midwestern mayors,

00:28:33.440 according to the Axios report.

00:28:36.040 With Swalwell, he has not denied a sexual relationship with her, hasn't confirmed it.

00:28:42.320 But the point here is that after Swalwell was informed by federal authorities

00:28:48.480 of their suspicions about Christine Fong,

00:28:52.500 Swalwell only talked about Russian penetration of the U.S.

00:28:58.280 He didn't talk about China.

00:29:00.060 And being on the House Intelligence Committee,

00:29:02.520 he would have known that China was a far graver threat to the United States than Russia. 0.77

00:29:09.360 So it shows a lack of judgment.

00:29:11.100 And it also shows that Swalwell was propagating a Chinese narrative.

00:29:15.180 So we've got to be concerned about his judgment.

00:29:18.180 You know, China tries a thousand points of contact.

00:29:23.680 They call it actually the thousand grains of sand approach to the collection of intelligence.

00:29:29.660 China just interviews business people, tourists, students as they come back to China,

00:29:34.480 getting little pieces of information and collating them with their artificial intelligence and their big data.

00:29:41.380 So this is a multi-point operation.

00:29:44.180 And indeed, every contact that China has with Canada or whatever country is China uses to exploit that country. 0.94

00:29:52.460 So there should be grave concern about these things like the military games or the military exercises you referred to,

00:30:00.160 or just benign looking exchanges between Canada and China.

00:30:06.820 Well, I am glad that the Chinaphiles have received such attention.

00:30:14.180 And I hope that our NATO allies, our Five Eyes allies, and especially the Americans,

00:30:20.840 are helping to push our country back on course,

00:30:24.780 because I think Justin Trudeau has really warped our priorities in terms of strategic alliances.

00:30:32.500 I found it very unsettling to learn these things.

00:30:35.520 I like to think I keep my eyes and ears open.

00:30:38.440 This was all news to me, and I find that incredible, too.

00:30:42.720 Gordon, it's great to talk with you.

00:30:43.900 I want to give one more call to all our viewers to follow Gordon on Twitter.

00:30:48.860 He really is my absolute number one go-to guy for what's going on.

00:30:52.700 As you can see, he's got deep information.

00:30:55.080 Gordon G. Chang on Twitter.

00:30:58.560 He's an American, but he loves Canada, and he shares our view that we have to be wary of the Chinese Communist Party. 0.94

00:31:04.440 My friend, thank you for taking time with us, as you do so often.

00:31:08.100 We always learn so much from you.

00:31:10.160 Well, thank you, Ezra.

00:31:11.260 And thank you for all the great work you're doing,

00:31:13.200 because those Chinaphiles were absolutely critical for informing people, you know, 1.00

00:31:17.480 in Canada and around the world of Justin Trudeau's attitudes towards China

00:31:24.580 and China's attempts to penetrate Canada.

00:31:26.680 Yeah.

00:31:27.000 Well, there's still a lot more to unpack in those files, and we'll do that in the weeks ahead.

00:31:31.060 Take care, my friend.

00:31:31.660 And thank you.

00:31:33.080 Thanks, Ezra.

00:31:33.780 All right.

00:31:34.120 There you have it.

00:31:35.040 Gordon G. Chang.

00:31:36.680 Got to follow him on Twitter.

00:31:37.920 It's a way to keep updated day by day.

00:31:40.760 Stay with us.

00:31:41.900 More ahead.

00:31:54.040 Hey, welcome back.

00:31:55.000 On the Chinaphiles, Derek writes,

00:31:57.360 the facts are out.

00:31:58.260 The truth is in the documents, so where's the outrage?

00:32:01.040 Look how fast the police stormed and shut down a man's restaurant

00:32:03.600 because he refused to enforce draconian rules that ban him from earning a living.

00:32:07.900 I think I see your point, which is where are the police?

00:32:10.780 Well, I don't think what Justin Trudeau is doing is a crime.

00:32:15.020 I don't think it's treason.

00:32:16.680 He wasn't doing these against any law.

00:32:19.200 I think it was just incredibly bad judgment.

00:32:22.160 I think his ethics are weak.

00:32:23.980 I think his moral compass is pointing in the wrong direction.

00:32:27.020 And the fact that he tried to hide this shows he sort of knows it.

00:32:32.160 But I don't think any of those things are crimes.

00:32:34.460 We're not actually in a war with the People's Liberation Army.

00:32:38.440 It's not like he was training German soldiers in the Second World War.

00:32:42.620 It's not that bad.

00:32:43.280 So I don't think that what Trudeau did should be criminalized.

00:32:47.120 And I've always been against calling political disagreements crimes

00:32:50.620 because I can assure you if that ever happens,

00:32:53.200 our opponents will criminalize our point of view long before we criminalize theirs.

00:32:58.300 So you do make a good point that the big disasters in this country have no consequences.

00:33:04.840 But the little guy trying to sell some smoked meat,

00:33:07.640 well, he'll get all the king's horses and all the king's men.

00:33:09.840 Ron writes,

00:33:11.860 If the defense minister lied in parliament,

00:33:13.640 can he not be called a liar outside of parliament?

00:33:16.440 Oh, sure.

00:33:16.880 We call Harjit Sajjan a liar all the time.

00:33:19.640 There's nothing wrong with that because it's factually true.

00:33:22.100 He lied.

00:33:23.220 The irony is that in parliament you're allowed to lie in parliament.

00:33:27.520 But calling someone a liar in parliament is unparliamentary language.

00:33:32.420 John writes,

00:33:33.400 After appearing on Fox with Tucker,

00:33:34.780 the rebel can't expect to be slandered

00:33:37.060 and called right-wing nuts from Trudeau's CBC.

00:33:40.300 The interview was one of your best.

00:33:41.720 And kudos for Tucker praising Rebel for the great work the team is doing in Canada.

00:33:46.520 Thanks very much.

00:33:47.280 And it was nice to hear that.

00:33:49.540 You know, you raise a good point.

00:33:51.280 We'll be demonized as right-wing nuts by the CBC.

00:33:54.620 Yeah, if they were even allowed to talk about the subject.

00:33:57.640 But so far, and we're at about, I don't know, 55 hours into it now,

00:34:03.480 CBC hasn't said a word about the biggest story in Canada.

00:34:07.480 Well, my friends, thank you for your support.

00:34:10.400 And don't mind me going on about Aaron O'Toole.

00:34:12.260 I just say that because he had a press conference on this subject.

00:34:17.500 Six media party journalists were there.

00:34:19.300 No one asked about these records.

00:34:21.420 And we said, well, come talk to us about it,

00:34:23.080 and he won't even return our calls.

00:34:24.660 It's sort of sad and pitiful, but I got to tell you,

00:34:27.820 Rebel's doing better than ever.

00:34:28.920 And I think he wants to avail himself of our 1.4 million subscribers.

00:34:34.920 But if he's got other plans, good luck with that, mate.

00:34:37.700 That's our show for today, and that's our programming for the week.

00:34:40.180 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:34:43.640 to you at home, good night.

00:34:45.380 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:34:46.360 We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - December 12, 2020

Trudeau's CBC silent on the China Files

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