Rebel News Podcast - What kind of judge would let accused terrorists out on bail？ A Canadian judge.

00:00:00.000 Hello, Rebels. I tell you a terrifying story today about the kind of criminals who were allowed out on bail.

00:00:07.640 I show you David Menzies' great journalism when he just knocked on the door of two accused criminals

00:00:11.360 who were just back at home, just accused criminals, accused terrorists, accused bomb makers.

00:00:16.040 They're just at home. 0.98

00:00:17.760 And I tell you the case of a rapist, an accused rapist, excuse me, in Halifax,

00:00:22.400 who's been allowed to leave the country because you know how accused rapists are.

00:00:26.140 They're the most honest of people. If they're convicted, he'll surely come back, right?

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00:00:42.040 And you know what? Today I show you a video of David Menzies going to the...

00:00:46.860 He just knocks on the door, ding dong. Hi, I'm David from the Rebel.

00:00:49.860 Can I talk to the terrorists? And they talk to him.

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00:01:08.960 Tonight, what kind of judge would let accused terrorists out on bail?

00:01:13.420 A Canadian judge.

00:01:15.040 It's May 24th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:17.200 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:23.040 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:27.100 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:38.080 Did you see David Menzies' video yesterday?

00:01:41.060 He just went to the home of an accused father and son terrorist duo.

00:01:45.880 Here's a story by Joe Warmington about it in the Toronto Sun.

00:01:49.600 I'll show you a clip from that David Menzies video in a moment.

00:01:53.280 Warmington, bail granted in alleged explosives possession case.

00:01:57.940 Let me read a little bit.

00:01:58.680 Richmond Hill, home in time for the Victoria Day weekend.

00:02:02.440 Riza Mohamediazil, 47, and his son, Mayar, 18, were released on noon Friday on $50,000 bail

00:02:10.000 and ordered to return to court on June 6th.

00:02:13.500 Neighbors were furious.

00:02:15.360 Why did they get bail, said one?

00:02:16.820 That's crazy.

00:02:18.660 Another asked, how can they be charged with explosives but allowed to come back here? 0.99

00:02:23.040 So this is such a serious allegation, such a serious plot that U.S. authorities brought it to Canada's attention.

00:02:30.400 This is an international situation.

00:02:33.460 And our Canadian court system, our prosecutors, our judges said, 0.97

00:02:37.140 Yeah, thanks, you Americans, you're so racist. 0.88

00:02:40.940 We're fine. 0.99

00:02:42.080 It's no biggie.

00:02:43.220 We'll let these accused bombers out on bail.

00:02:45.460 I mean, a bomb.

00:02:46.560 How much damage could a bomb do?

00:02:48.420 It's probably all a misunderstanding.

00:02:50.160 And we wouldn't want anyone to call us Islamophobes or something.

00:02:53.840 So they just let this father and son duo just go home.

00:02:59.280 Here's how CTV reported it.

00:03:00.580 One of two suspects charged in explosives investigation was on cusp of radicalization.

00:03:06.700 Source.

00:03:07.800 Yeah, if police are seizing explosive materials from your home, you're not on the cusp anymore.

00:03:13.060 You're over the cusp.

00:03:14.960 You passed the cusp a long time ago.

00:03:17.580 And if it's a father-son thing, as the police allege,

00:03:20.420 then this isn't some rogue kid who just started hanging out with the wrong crowd.

00:03:25.160 This was a family business.

00:03:27.640 Let me read from CTV's story.

00:03:29.180 CTV News Toronto has learned that officers found the chemicals,

00:03:33.040 which included mercury, red phosphorus, and ammonium nitrate,

00:03:37.500 in the Richmond Hill Homes garage and an adjacent shed.

00:03:41.940 Police also found a copy of The Anarchist Cookbook,

00:03:45.600 a book with instructions on how to make explosive devices

00:03:48.300 as well as manufacture drugs and modify electric devices.

00:03:52.920 Every person who has blown anything up has gone to that book, the source said.

00:03:56.620 I mean, who amongst us hasn't bought red phosphorus and ammonium nitrate and mercury?

00:04:04.720 How do you even find those things?

00:04:07.220 I mean, whose tool shed doesn't have some of that just lying around in case?

00:04:11.300 I mean, there's just, these guys are obviously just do-it-yourselfers.

00:04:14.160 They're fix-ruppers.

00:04:14.960 They're real handymen.

00:04:15.840 That's right.

00:04:16.340 But good thing we caught them on the cusp before they actually, you know, became bad guys.

00:04:21.580 Phew.

00:04:23.200 And so a judge, I couldn't find the judge's name in four different news reports I read.

00:04:27.300 A judge just let this dad of the year and his son of the year go home.

00:04:31.920 Just go home.

00:04:33.280 Oh, and the judge says, stay off the internet.

00:04:36.520 I mean, kids these days.

00:04:38.400 He could be radicalized. 1.00

00:04:39.640 So they're just dumped back into their neighborhood because we're stupid that way. 0.99

00:04:43.660 And by we, I don't mean you and me. 0.99

00:04:45.040 I mean our 5P professionals, the press, the politicians, the police, the prosecutors, the

00:04:49.800 professors, because Ralph Goodale, who personally declared that there was no national security

00:04:54.080 issue here, well, we know for a fact that he ordered Canada's security agencies to scrub.

00:04:59.180 And he mentioned a Muslim extremism from the national threat warning.

00:05:02.020 So anyways, in case you missed it, I'd like to show you a couple of minutes of David Menzies

00:05:07.060 literally going to the house, ding dong, and asking for these two accused terrorists.

00:05:12.380 He just rang the doorbell and said, hi, I'm David with The Rebel, and I'd like to ask

00:05:16.860 you some questions about making your bomb.

00:05:19.180 He did that.

00:05:20.360 Here, watch for you.

00:05:20.880 I'm going to play a couple of minutes here.

00:05:22.020 Not the whole thing, but I encourage you to find the whole thing on our website or our

00:05:25.400 YouTube channel.

00:05:26.000 Here, take a look.

00:05:28.240 Hi.

00:05:28.880 Hi.

00:05:29.260 Good.

00:05:29.600 How are you doing there?

00:05:30.200 Is Riza or Meijer here, if any chance?

00:05:32.940 Yes.

00:05:33.680 Oh, okay.

00:05:34.520 My name is David Menzies from Rebel Media.

00:05:36.540 Is there a possibility I can speak with them?

00:05:38.620 No, we are not interested.

00:05:40.040 No?

00:05:41.140 We're just wondering where they got the bomb from and what they were planning to do with

00:05:45.620 it.

00:05:47.280 Explosives?

00:05:47.960 No?

00:05:50.700 Oh, you're Meijer then, eh?

00:05:52.380 No, we are.

00:05:53.040 Sorry.

00:05:53.800 All lawyers, we need to talk to lawyers.

00:05:55.700 We have to do any interviews.

00:05:57.020 We don't have to talk to anybody, but...

00:05:58.680 Oh, okay.

00:05:59.160 But I'm just wondering who those two individuals were going to use the bomb on, you know.

00:06:03.940 We didn't have...

00:06:05.020 We didn't make any bomb.

00:06:06.320 We weren't going to use it for...

00:06:07.320 You weren't going to use it for...

00:06:09.120 No, no, no, no.

00:06:09.440 You must be Meijer then.

00:06:11.760 Sorry for that.

00:06:12.740 But we are not interested.

00:06:13.500 Okay.

00:06:13.580 But that looks like Meijer to me.

00:06:15.120 It doesn't matter.

00:06:16.060 It doesn't matter.

00:06:16.700 Okay, then.

00:06:17.320 We are not interested in it.

00:06:18.880 But you were going to go to the U.S., Buffalo, I believe, maybe, to use this bomb, you know. 0.74

00:06:24.540 Where do you get explosives material, though?

00:06:26.860 I'm just...

00:06:27.020 Sorry, we are not interested in...

00:06:28.620 Well, you were trying to live your life, but you were...

00:06:33.420 It sounds like you were going to use a device to take away other lives.

00:06:37.860 Right.

00:06:38.780 I mean, not true.

00:06:39.560 Well, Meijer, what were you going to use your bomb for? 0.88

00:06:44.540 Sorry.

00:06:44.860 Sorry for that.

00:06:45.780 But you are not interested in it.

00:06:47.300 Do you support Sharia law for non-Islamic countries, maybe?

00:06:51.640 Sorry about that.

00:06:52.560 No?

00:06:53.120 I can't do any interview without...

00:06:54.740 Without functioning with my lawyer.

00:06:56.580 Sorry about that.

00:06:57.160 Okay, then.

00:06:57.820 But, I mean, these are very serious questions, and...

00:07:00.460 Sorry about that.

00:07:01.800 Are you planning on setting off fireworks tomorrow for Victoria Day, or...

00:07:05.660 Sorry.

00:07:06.120 I cannot do any interview.

00:07:08.000 I'm sorry.

00:07:08.380 You can't do any interview.

00:07:09.740 Okay.

00:07:10.060 But, I mean, if you're...

00:07:12.060 I take it that's your son and your husband.

00:07:13.900 If they're innocent, why wouldn't they want to speak, ma'am?

00:07:19.160 I cannot answer any questions.

00:07:20.600 Please, sorry.

00:07:21.320 Okay.

00:07:22.160 You know, and the thing in India is not true.

00:07:25.280 Please, please...

00:07:25.800 Oh, sir, please.

00:07:27.940 I would love to hear you correct, you know, the record, then, if you could.

00:07:31.100 I mean, what is inaccurate or not true?

00:07:33.780 Is this a mandatory interview?

00:07:35.700 Pardon me?

00:07:36.080 Is this a mandatory interview, or before...

00:07:38.360 Oh, absolutely not, ma'am.

00:07:40.140 I'm just...

00:07:40.640 I'm not interested.

00:07:41.320 Thank you so much.

00:07:41.980 Okay, but your husband is saying it was inaccurate.

00:07:44.740 I'd love to know what was inaccurate.

00:07:46.080 I don't want to report false details.

00:07:48.120 You will find it out on the investigation.

00:07:49.720 Okay, you're back in court on June 6th, I believe, right?

00:07:52.660 Yes.

00:07:53.840 Okay, and the truth will come out on June 6th, then?

00:07:56.140 I don't know how long the investigation takes, but you will find out after the investigation.

00:08:02.180 Does your son support ISIL or ISIS, anything like that?

00:08:06.100 No.

00:08:06.640 No?

00:08:07.480 Okay, then.

00:08:08.540 Never?

00:08:09.180 No?

00:08:10.140 So, how did the border agents...

00:08:12.460 Yes.

00:08:12.640 I'm telling you that I'm not interested in the interview.

00:08:17.640 Yes.

00:08:17.960 So, but you are going to keep asking the question, and the question is not related.

00:08:21.880 So, I just can't tell them whatever you are asking is no.

00:08:24.560 How could they get something so wrong as that?

00:08:27.020 I mean, if it wasn't a bomb, what was it?

00:08:28.760 I don't know why I am telling you that I have already talked to police.

00:08:36.920 I have given them any information.

00:08:38.360 They did the same thing.

00:08:39.640 Yes.

00:08:40.240 There is nothing, you know, related to terrorism, nothing related to bombing, nothing.

00:08:44.580 Okay.

00:08:45.440 But I'm just, I don't think you're answering my question.

00:08:47.720 If it wasn't a bomb, what was it?

00:08:49.820 A radio?

00:08:50.380 A clock?

00:08:50.960 I mean, like, how did this get confused as an explosive device?

00:08:56.980 I don't know.

00:08:57.860 Why?

00:08:59.200 Because it just was a very childish device.

00:09:03.040 Nothing like that, that can be used for an bombing or something like that.

00:09:06.720 No, this is just something that, you know, we just, I don't know how to, just a, just a, how to say, curiosity.

00:09:17.300 You know, just something like that.

00:09:19.040 It was a curiosity.

00:09:19.900 No, no, nothing like that.

00:09:23.000 You know, I don't know how to explain, you know, everything that I explained.

00:09:25.740 It shows something else in the media.

00:09:28.060 That's why I'm not interested in, in, in, in any type of interview.

00:09:31.660 Right.

00:09:32.000 I don't know, you know, my English is not that much good.

00:09:34.600 I may give you, you know, I use some words which is not correct.

00:09:37.400 That's why I don't want you to, to talk about that.

00:09:39.540 But, but say I accept your explanation that it was not a bomb.

00:09:42.800 I'm just, I'm just trying to figure out.

00:09:44.520 You know, my, I will find a lawyer that can't explain, you know, better than me.

00:09:49.360 Okay.

00:09:49.740 And my lawyer will explain everything.

00:09:51.260 I don't want to do any interview.

00:09:53.800 Okay, then.

00:09:54.480 But I, the only thing that they can tell that they are innocent and there was not anything

00:09:58.560 related to, to bombing or something like that.

00:10:00.840 Yeah, that looks really, really normal.

00:10:04.280 They seem really normal.

00:10:06.320 I'm sure glad we caught them before they were radicalized.

00:10:09.760 I'm so glad it was just a childish thing.

00:10:11.700 That's what she said, right?

00:10:12.760 A childish experiment, a curiosity.

00:10:15.200 Who amongst us, especially a 47 year old man and his 18 year old son, who hasn't had a

00:10:20.620 bit of fun with a kid's chemistry set, you know, making a fake volcano by pouring vinegar

00:10:25.860 into baking soda.

00:10:27.480 Kids will be kids.

00:10:28.600 And that's so obviously what's going on here.

00:10:31.540 At least the judge thinks so.

00:10:34.040 So our prosecutors and our judges and our police and everyone just, just send them back

00:10:38.160 home to the neighborhood.

00:10:40.260 Hey neighbor, can I borrow a cup of flour?

00:10:42.900 Hey neighbor, can I borrow a liter of ammonium nitrate?

00:10:47.320 You know, the usual backyard banter in Richmond Hill, Ontario, barbecue season.

00:10:51.880 But of course, I mean, a couple of years ago, Abdullahi Hassan Sharif rammed pedestrians

00:10:58.520 on the street, rammed police on the street, then got up and attacked the cop directly.

00:11:05.020 Look at that, he got out of the car and he attacked him.

00:11:12.800 He had an ISIS flag in the front seat of his car, an ISIS flag.

00:11:16.580 How do you even get an ISIS flag in Canada?

00:11:20.320 That's probably even harder than getting ammonium nitrate.

00:11:22.500 But he did.

00:11:23.380 And the police, the prosecutors, chose not to charge him with terrorism.

00:11:30.100 He had the ISIS flag in his car, but they chose not to charge him with terrorism.

00:11:33.500 Probably because he was, what's that word again?

00:11:35.560 Just doing child's play.

00:11:37.000 It was just a curiosity and he was on the cusp.

00:11:39.080 So he wasn't really doing anything wrong.

00:11:41.240 And look at this news I read today from Halifax, Nova Scotia.

00:11:46.020 Former Halifax taxi driver accused of sexual assault finishes testifying in retrial.

00:11:52.000 Let me quote a bit.

00:11:52.620 For nearly eight hours, Bassam al-Rawi was cross-examined by Crown Prosecutor Carla Ball

00:11:58.120 regarding an allegation that he had sexually assaulted an intoxicated female in the back of his taxi.

00:12:03.780 The alleged incident happened in the early morning hours of May 23, 2015,

00:12:07.840 before the victim was found partially naked by a police officer. 0.98

00:12:12.540 Now there has been a crime wave of Muslim cab drivers raping Halifax women. 0.98

00:12:16.140 I mean, here's just a sample from this year alone. 0.98

00:12:19.800 Another Halifax taxi driver charged with sexual assault.

00:12:22.200 Let me read.

00:12:22.880 Syed Abul Gassam Sadat Lavasani Bozor, 74,

00:12:28.240 appeared in Halifax Provincial Court on Tuesday.

00:12:31.060 And here's another one.

00:12:31.920 Like, this is just from this year.

00:12:32.980 Police have released the name of a 36-year-old Halifax man who was charged with sexual assault

00:12:38.100 in relation to a woman in his taxi last month.

00:12:40.600 Test from Kidani Menges.

00:12:42.440 I mean, there are so many of these charges, it might be faster to list the Halifax taxi drivers

00:12:47.000 who haven't been charged with raping their customers.

00:12:50.440 Remember this story?

00:12:52.540 Halifax police could drop use of Middle Eastern when describing suspects.

00:12:56.980 And look at the sub-headline there.

00:13:00.260 We do acknowledge that this is potentially a bad way of doing things,

00:13:03.860 says Constable Amit Parasram.

00:13:07.440 And then this.

00:13:09.100 There's no such thing as a Middle Eastern-looking person, said Raja Khouri,

00:13:14.480 president of the Toronto-based Canadian Arab Institute.

00:13:17.860 Yeah, well, there is actually.

00:13:20.020 And there's an accent.

00:13:21.380 And surely the Canadian Arab Institute wants nothing more than to stop this crime wave, right? 1.00

00:13:26.520 I mean, surely they want to stop the crime wave, not just cover it up and stop accurate reporting of it, right?

00:13:34.780 So back to the crime wave, as the story today shows, a taxi driver is on trial again for rape.

00:13:40.480 Let me read some.

00:13:42.180 Al-Rawi told the court through an Arabic translator that the young woman was emotional

00:13:46.540 and intoxicated when she entered his taxi.

00:13:49.860 Hang on, hang on.

00:13:50.500 He needs a translator?

00:13:52.340 Why does he need a translator?

00:13:53.680 He came to Canada years ago.

00:13:55.700 He drives a taxi, works with the public.

00:13:58.100 He was certified and presumably had to pass some sort of basic accreditation with the Halifax Taxi Commission.

00:14:04.240 Do you have your driver's license?

00:14:05.480 Can you speak basic English?

00:14:06.680 You're in Halifax.

00:14:07.700 And he still needs an Arabic translator.

00:14:10.160 Let me read some more from the story.

00:14:12.280 The police officer who found Al-Rawi's parked Honda Civic in Halifax's South End

00:14:16.680 testified that she found an unconscious female passenger in his back seat with her shirt pulled up to her breasts and panties and pants off. 0.72

00:14:24.640 So the allegation is that he was raping an unconscious woman who was passed out drunk. 0.96

00:14:30.040 He was raping her in his taxi. 0.74

00:14:32.320 For the life of me, I can't understand why any woman in Halifax would set foot in a taxi. 0.99

00:14:36.460 The immigration minister doesn't care about you.

00:14:38.320 The taxi commission doesn't care about you.

00:14:40.100 The press and the politicians don't care about you.

00:14:42.200 Why would you take your life and limb in your own hands like that?

00:14:44.460 Do not take a taxi in Halifax if you're a woman. 1.00

00:14:48.100 Let me read some more.

00:14:48.700 Al-Rawi told Crown Prosecutor Carla Ball that he felt the investigating officer was persecuting him based on the color of his skin and accent

00:14:57.860 and that he chose to reserve his right to silence during some of the questioning.

00:15:02.200 The racism card.

00:15:03.420 I mean, why not?

00:15:04.120 Justin Trudeau uses it.

00:15:05.760 It's the official liberal way.

00:15:07.000 If someone disagrees with you on anything, immigration, crime, just call him a racist.

00:15:10.560 Why wouldn't an accused rapist found by police to have a naked, unconscious girl in the back of his taxi,

00:15:15.900 why wouldn't he play the race card?

00:15:17.680 Why?

00:15:18.320 Do you think the media or politicians or the press would call him out for use of the race card?

00:15:21.700 I mean, why not just go the whole way and accuse that unconscious rape victim herself of obviously being racist? 0.59

00:15:28.080 I mean, obviously.

00:15:29.260 Let me read some more.

00:15:30.780 The court will be back in session on May 30th for closing submissions to Judge Anne-Marie Simmons.

00:15:36.540 All right, so a white woman judge, probably a liberal. 1.00

00:15:38.880 I didn't even bother to check.

00:15:39.980 It's so obviously the case these days.

00:15:41.820 So I think, if I had to guess, I think she just might have quit based on what I've told you.

00:15:46.280 A Muslim man accusing authorities of racism versus some drunk white girl.

00:15:50.680 I know which side liberal feminists have chosen these days. 1.00

00:15:52.940 I'm pretty sure how I know this will end.

00:15:54.560 But that's not my point today.

00:15:56.520 My point is this.

00:15:57.340 We're talking about bail of some accused terrorists in Richmond Hill just living at home.

00:16:01.440 Now, let me quote from a CBC story about this Halifax rape trial that mentions this fact just in passing.

00:16:07.840 Al Rawi, who now lives in Germany, previously told the court his passenger was emotional about running into an ex and at one point kissed him on the cheek after he complimented her.

00:16:19.760 Yeah, sure.

00:16:20.600 That's what happened. 1.00

00:16:21.520 That Halifax girl kissed the taxi driver and undressed herself to be ravaged by him in his dirty, smelly cab. 0.99

00:16:30.100 That's exactly, I'm sure that would explain why she was found unconscious and naked. 0.96

00:16:36.420 But that one point there, that one point, Al Rawi, who now lives in Germany, he's in Germany, an accused rapist, was just allowed to leave Canada and just move to Germany.

00:16:50.400 So he's not in custody.

00:16:52.620 He didn't even have to surrender his passport.

00:16:54.640 He's just allowed to go home to Germany, just to leave the country.

00:17:00.900 And we're super sure he'll come back if he's convicted.

00:17:04.260 So a father-son accused bomb-making team are set free on bail.

00:17:09.360 And an accused rapist is not just free on bail.

00:17:12.420 He was allowed to move to Germany.

00:17:15.020 Has anyone ever read our national anthem?

00:17:17.300 Oh, Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

00:17:20.760 Is anyone standing on guard?

00:17:23.060 Anyone at all?

00:17:25.900 Stay with us for more.

00:17:26.880 Hey, welcome back.

00:17:41.760 Well, as you may know, for the last few weeks, we've had a reporter, Jessica S., embedded in the Tommy Robinson campaign in northwest England, covering the election for the European Parliament.

00:17:51.860 Now, the U.K. wasn't supposed to even be in this election because they voted to Brexit.

00:17:56.880 And that was supposed to happen on March 29th.

00:17:59.040 But alas, Theresa May, who just announced her resignation, delayed it as best she could.

00:18:03.660 And so they're still in.

00:18:04.860 So the election is afoot.

00:18:06.040 And so interesting candidates are presenting themselves, not just Tommy in northwest England, but others, including some YouTube personalities, including one called Carl Benjamin and another named Mark Meekin, who we like to know as Count Dankula.

00:18:21.260 They're quite some characters.

00:18:51.240 Although the campaign, I can't imagine something more meddlesome in an election by a foreign actor. 1.00

00:18:57.620 Well, joining us now to talk about this is our friend Alan Bocari.

00:19:00.420 He's the senior tech correspondent for Breitbart.com.

00:19:03.940 Hey, Alan, great to see you again.

00:19:05.040 Welcome back to the show.

00:19:07.160 Hey, it's good to be on.

00:19:08.420 You know what?

00:19:08.760 I'm against this sort of deplatforming at any occasion for mere citizens or journalists.

00:19:14.360 But when someone like Tommy Robinson or Carl Benjamin or a political leader in the United Kingdom named Anne-Marie Waters, we had her on our show.

00:19:23.100 She's the leader of the Four Britain Party.

00:19:25.300 When these politicians are deplatformed in the middle of an election campaign, how can that be seen as anything other than election meddling?

00:19:34.180 Yes, election meddling from companies in America in San Francisco, to be precise, are now intervening in the politics of a foreign country about which they may not even be super familiar with.

00:19:49.660 And the targets of this are, of course, at the moment, right-wing populists like Tommy Robinson and Anne-Marie Waters and Carl Benjamin.

00:19:58.520 But, you know, that could easily change in the future.

00:20:01.100 You know, the political establishment, the elites who insist they're the ones who are destined to rule Western societies,

00:20:12.440 they're just as hostile towards the anti-establishment left as they are towards the anti-establishment right.

00:20:18.360 So this is really a threat to everyone who doesn't want the flow of information to be controlled by a small set of unaccountable elites,

00:20:28.060 as it was in the pre-internet era when you just had a few cable shows who dominated the discussion.

00:20:33.600 And, you know, anyone outside the Overtone window, the range of acceptable ideas was simply kept out of the public eye.

00:20:41.940 In the age of the Internet, everyone suddenly had access to a new public square.

00:20:46.420 And that has radically changed politics, and elites are desperate to stop it, to put the genie back in the bottle.

00:20:52.020 That's so right.

00:20:53.040 You know, I don't even think it was a year ago that Alex Jones of Infowars was totally de-personed, and it was so eerie.

00:21:01.180 It happened all on the same day.

00:21:03.080 Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Instagram, Pinterest, LinkedIn, of all, like, every single tech company within 24 hours

00:21:12.540 suddenly decided to banish Infowars, and not just banish them from doing anything going forward.

00:21:20.680 Apple, for example, had years' worth of historic broadcasts from Alex Jones that were apparently fine at the time.

00:21:28.200 That entire history was deleted as if, truly, that's the first, that's one of the opening scenes in the book 1984.

00:21:36.900 Winston's job at the Ministry of Truth was to revise old newspapers to change the past to suit the current politics.

00:21:44.640 Alex Jones was marginalized.

00:21:46.400 I mean, he's out there on occasion, but once that precedent was set, they could just, like, slice the salami,

00:21:53.580 go a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more.

00:21:55.700 Tommy Robinson, then Carl Benjamin, now Anne-Marie Waters.

00:21:59.260 There's no reason at all why they couldn't go after Republicans in America, or one day Trump himself.

00:22:05.860 Absolutely.

00:22:06.600 And Trump was on Alex Jones' show.

00:22:09.380 For Facebook to just simply, and other tech companies, and just get rid of this guy who had millions and millions of followers

00:22:15.400 has a vastly more significant impact on American politics than anything Russia was accused of.

00:22:23.420 You know, Russia was accused of buying, like, $100,000 worth of Facebook ads.

00:22:28.280 It was, it did not really have a big impact on American politics.

00:22:31.780 Banning someone like Alex Jones does.

00:22:33.960 Banning someone like Tommy Robinson in the UK does have an impact on their politics as well.

00:22:38.340 And now we see Anne-Marie Waters and Carl Benjamin, both also UK politicians, one of whom is running in the European elections,

00:22:48.100 placed on Facebook's list of potential hate agents, which Breitbart uncovered last week.

00:22:53.660 And they're now being monitored.

00:22:57.000 Anything they say that's even slightly suspect will go into this document and count against them.

00:23:01.720 So Facebook now has a list of people, some of them politicians, who they're looking into for further bans.

00:23:09.180 You know, it's incredible.

00:23:10.100 I have your story in front of me.

00:23:11.220 Let me read the headline.

00:23:11.980 The headline-exclusive Facebook hate agents list includes British candidates for European election.

00:23:18.180 It's one thing to have an enemies list.

00:23:21.060 It's one thing to be a McCarthyite, you know, accusing everyone of malafides.

00:23:27.180 But, you know, if Nixon had an enemies list, if Joe McCarthy had an enemies list,

00:23:32.880 at least they were public figures who had some restraints on them, checks and balances.

00:23:38.020 The courts, voters could kick these people out. 1.00

00:23:40.760 But in the case of Facebook, it's secret.

00:23:43.840 You only got that information through a leak from inside.

00:23:46.660 There's no transparency.

00:23:48.560 There's no rules.

00:23:49.320 There's no accountability.

00:23:50.540 And suddenly people wake up and they're just deleted one day.

00:23:53.660 And they don't even know what happened.

00:23:55.720 And it's just like they're a rumor.

00:23:57.000 They never even existed.

00:23:58.840 I actually interviewed Carl Benjamin the day before we released that story.

00:24:02.880 And we both agreed that there's a fundamental mismatch here.

00:24:10.760 When you compare Facebook and social media platforms to other types of businesses.

00:24:14.960 So a landlord who rents out a property to you is not allowed to simply evict you for no reason.

00:24:21.540 They have to obtain a court order first.

00:24:23.660 And that's because you invested time, money into your property.

00:24:27.540 A landlord can't just kick you out for any reason.

00:24:29.680 Yet Facebook, which in many cases, where in many cases, rather, people have digital properties that are as valuable, if not more valuable, than physical properties.

00:24:40.560 They can come and take that away for any reason without warning, without a court order.

00:24:43.900 So it's not something we would accept in any other industry.

00:24:47.680 Yet somehow it's the case on social media.

00:24:49.680 That's a great point.

00:24:50.920 I mean, Tommy Robinson had built up through years of effort and energy and working on his page and working on his reputation and directing people towards Facebook to build up one million followers as he did.

00:25:07.160 Companies would pay tens of millions of dollars to have that kind of impact.

00:25:10.640 And simply to push a button and no appeal, no explanation, just because you're a hate agent and it's probably some 20-something liberal arts social justice warrior with problem glasses in San Francisco who's just made that determination.

00:25:26.160 And you've just destroyed not only the financial value, but a political outlet for, obviously, at least one million people who chose to follow him.

00:25:35.560 Absolutely.

00:25:36.040 It's interfering in politics and it's like a gross violation of, I think, business ethics and consumer rights.

00:25:42.040 Again, just go back to the landlord example.

00:25:44.820 There's this idea going around now, which I think is a very good idea, that social media users should be able to take companies to court to get their account reinstated.

00:25:53.980 But even that, a landlord has to go and get a court order before they evict you.

00:25:58.760 So, really, if we were applying the same standards as social media companies, they wouldn't be able to just ban their account without going through a legal process first.

00:26:08.400 I'm not sure this situation can go on for much longer.

00:26:11.180 I don't think consumers or businesses would tolerate it.

00:26:13.340 That's a good point because, of course, the courts over the sweep of history have realized there's a power imbalance between a landlord who probably has money, probably has a lawyer, and a tenant who might be very poor.

00:26:27.260 And so the idea that the tenant would have to hire the lawyer, the tenant would have to take steps, figure it out, when the tenant, if he or she is evicted, is likely in a crisis now.

00:26:36.080 I've got to find a place to live.

00:26:37.060 I don't know what to do.

00:26:37.680 So they invert it, and there's some good rationale for that because you don't want to kick someone off out of their home and make them have to take the steps to get back in, switch the onus.

00:26:49.680 I mean, that can swing too far, but I think we're at the same point.

00:26:53.660 If you take a political figure, a community figure like Tommy, I'm using Tommy because our viewers understand him, but Carl Benjamin or some of these other, quote, hate agents, it's the same thing.

00:27:03.440 It's their entire public reputation, it's their business, their livelihood, it's all their friendships.

00:27:13.680 People wouldn't even know how to find you in many cases.

00:27:16.940 People wouldn't know how to communicate with you.

00:27:19.180 There's a lot of young people, young people, I'm 47, there's a lot of people who only communicate via social media apps.

00:27:26.420 They don't pick up the phone and dial a phone number anymore, and if they do, they're relying on the phone number being stored in an app.

00:27:32.680 You're literally throwing someone in an isolation tank.

00:27:36.800 It's like they're being exiled, banned from the kingdom.

00:27:40.600 Absolutely.

00:27:41.200 In many cases, it's worse than losing a physical property because you're not just losing one thing, as you point out.

00:27:46.860 You're losing your livelihood, you're losing your political influence, you're losing your friend network, all at the same time, all at once.

00:27:52.920 So that's what we're dealing with here.

00:27:54.620 And these companies have no standards whatsoever in terms of consumer rights or fair business practices.

00:28:00.760 There are some privacy restraints in them now, but absolutely no restraints in terms of who they can ban for whatever reason.

00:28:08.560 And just today, actually, we're starting to see businesses, nonpartisan businesses, refusing to tolerate this.

00:28:14.860 CrossFit, the fitness company, has pulled all its business from Facebook over what they describe as arbitrary bans policies,

00:28:25.980 that are what they said were totally opaque, and they're absolutely right.

00:28:30.200 So, you know, we now have not even politicians and political figures refusing to tolerate it, but businesses as well.

00:28:35.680 And I think that's perfectly correct.

00:28:38.260 Yeah, I saw that.

00:28:39.200 I mean, Facebook, of course, has 2 billion customers.

00:28:42.400 I'm glad that one has left, but you need 100 million to leave before they wake up.

00:28:48.120 I'm reading your article here.

00:28:50.120 These hate agents list, this enemies list.

00:28:54.800 What's so strange is they go back through your history years.

00:28:58.760 You could have written something on Facebook years ago.

00:29:02.360 Some social justice warrior discovers it and unpersons you today for something that happened years ago.

00:29:09.080 It's so, like you say, it's opaque.

00:29:11.980 There's no rules of, you know, I want to point out that the Star Chamber, which these days has become a synonym for an unfair political court.

00:29:21.940 The Star Chamber at least let you make your case.

00:29:26.180 And, in fact, you were, you had to have a lawyer to go there.

00:29:29.400 It was some form of a court, even though at the end it became quite a partisan political court.

00:29:36.060 But at least there was a process at all.

00:29:38.420 There's no process and there's no rules.

00:29:40.740 These folks are just making it up.

00:29:42.000 Or if there is a rule book, it changes all the time.

00:29:44.220 It's not applied uniformly.

00:29:46.440 And who the hell are these people that apply their private courts anyways to your life?

00:29:52.920 Absolutely.

00:29:53.860 And, you know, as you say, they have, as we wrote in the article, they have level one, what they call signals that they use to determine if someone is a hate agent or not.

00:30:03.980 And they're level one, level two, and level three.

00:30:06.520 And that's based on years.

00:30:07.700 So if you say something within the last year, that's a level one signal.

00:30:10.760 Within the last two years, level two signal.

00:30:12.440 Three years, level three signal.

00:30:14.280 I'm actually surprised they don't extend it further.

00:30:15.960 They stop at three years.

00:30:17.100 That's at least something.

00:30:18.020 But it's no surprise that many people I know, many political figures I know, have taken to deleting their tweet history past a few months.

00:30:26.740 Because, as you say, people will go back.

00:30:28.680 They will try and dredge up old comments.

00:30:31.020 And they'll use that to deplatform you.

00:30:32.660 But here's the thing.

00:30:34.400 Even if you delete your post history, now these social media companies are saying, well, we're going to ban you for off-platform activity as well.

00:30:42.880 It's not just activity you do on Twitter or activity on Facebook.

00:30:46.680 If you insult someone on a TV network or use hate speech to rally so-called hate speech, we might ban you for that as well.

00:30:55.860 So they're not just regulating your behavior on Facebook.

00:30:57.940 They're going to regulate your behavior everywhere, everywhere, anything you do in public or even in private that becomes public.

00:31:03.820 They're going to regulate and kind of against you.

00:31:05.680 Yeah.

00:31:06.380 You know, and again, I refer to Orwell's 1984, which was quite prophetic in that the telescreens, as I think they call it, TVs in that book, you watched it, but it watched you.

00:31:20.440 It was listening to you.

00:31:22.040 It was spying on you in your home.

00:31:24.320 And it was on all the time.

00:31:25.500 And that's how is that any different from Amazon Echo or any smartphone or smart TV that's on all the time, listening, listening.

00:31:33.060 I tell you, it's all coming true.

00:31:34.700 Last question for you, Alan.

00:31:36.220 You and I have been talking about these problems actually for years now.

00:31:39.260 And I think you and I are agreed and maybe some of our viewers, too, and others are waking up to it.

00:31:42.980 But I think the only man who could do something about it, the president of the United States, who's a huge social media user, so far has not done a thing.

00:31:52.600 And it's just a couple of years till his reelection. 0.94

00:31:54.940 And I think he's going to be killed by these folks.

00:31:57.240 If you can take out Alex Jones today, Tommy Robinson the next day, Anne-Marie Waters the day after that, why couldn't you take out Donald Trump?

00:32:02.800 And what's he going to do if he loses?

00:32:04.540 And what's he going to do about it?

00:32:05.660 Is Donald Trump actually ever going to wake up to this while he can?

00:32:09.440 Well, I noticed that yesterday Ivanka Trump, the president's liberal daughter who works in the White House now, won an award from the Internet Association, which is ironically an Internet Freedom Award from the Internet Association.

00:32:25.580 Now, the Internet Association is a D.C. lobbying group set up by Google, Facebook and Microsoft and all the big tech companies.

00:32:35.660 So it's very, very troubling that members of the president's family are getting so-called Internet Freedom Awards from the very people who are destroying Internet Freedom on a daily basis.

00:32:46.280 As you say, Donald Trump will not win in 2020 if he doesn't solve the problem of social media bias.

00:32:52.800 He has mentioned it many, many times.

00:32:54.960 He's focusing on it a lot more.

00:32:57.580 The White House launched a reporting system to gather data on bans.

00:33:02.200 So they are aware of the problem.

00:33:04.120 What they're going to do about it is another question.

00:33:07.380 It's possible that us waiting for the right moment or working out what to do, it is a legitimately complicated issue.

00:33:14.520 But one thing the executive could do tomorrow is simply withdraw federal contracts from any tech giant that doesn't respect the First Amendment.

00:33:22.440 They could do that tomorrow.

00:33:23.420 Or any tech giant that doesn't allow users an ability to appeal banning decisions via a clear, transparent process.

00:33:30.660 They could use federal contracts in that manner, but they haven't yet.

00:33:34.160 Yeah.

00:33:34.280 And I think time is running out for Donald Trump.

00:33:38.040 And also time is running out for everyone else.

00:33:39.920 We are sleepwalking into totalitarianism here.

00:33:42.660 As I said, we're now in a situation that if you don't follow the rules of these companies to the letter, not just on their platform, but in all of your public life and maybe even your private life as well, if you don't follow their rules of behavior, your livelihood will be destroyed.

00:33:58.000 You won't be able to use credit cards.

00:33:59.000 Sometimes you won't be able to have a voice in the public square.

00:34:02.100 If we don't address that, we will arrive in a sort of technological dystopia where all of our behavior is governed by a few god kings in Silicon Valley.

00:34:13.020 Yeah, that's terrifying.

00:34:14.500 Well, Alan, great to talk with you, even though it's an upsetting story.

00:34:17.520 Well, I'll see if it made a difference in Tommy Robinson's campaign.

00:34:22.060 I'll be in Manchester on Sunday night when his results are released.

00:34:27.120 And if he loses just by a few percent, I wonder if that could be ascribed to Facebook taking away a one million person page from him.

00:34:37.860 I don't know how it possibly could not.

00:34:39.800 We'll see if that was enough to stop him.

00:34:41.740 Alan, great to see you again.

00:34:42.640 Thanks for your time.

00:34:44.140 Thank you, Ezra.

00:34:44.660 All right.

00:34:45.100 Stay with us.

00:34:46.120 I'll tell you a little bit more about my trip to Manchester in a moment.

00:34:52.060 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about Trudeau's digital charter and the media bailout.

00:35:04.720 Henry writes,

00:35:05.900 Funny how they keep repeating they have to fight disinformation, yet they never quantify what disinformation they're fighting.

00:35:12.360 Canada has never been in more danger.

00:35:14.000 They don't quantify it and they don't qualify and they don't explain it.

00:35:17.280 It's just a catch-all for things they don't like.

00:35:20.440 Al writes,

00:35:22.060 All this begs the question, who will police the thought police?

00:35:25.560 Yeah, and who will police the police of the thought police?

00:35:28.020 How about we just don't have thought police?

00:35:30.200 On my interview with James O'Keefe, John writes,

00:35:32.980 It's shocking how much the Rebel and Project Veritas have to pay for legal fees.

00:35:36.460 I'm glad we are winning all the lawsuits, but it's such a burden.

00:35:39.040 Here's hoping to the end of the perpetually offended crybabies. 0.90

00:35:41.920 Yeah, I mean, you can see our financial disclosure.

00:35:44.000 I don't know if you've ever gone there.

00:35:45.760 If you go to the rebel.media slash trust, once a year we publish our expenses that we crowdfund.

00:35:51.080 And I'm going from memory here, but last year we spent 350 grand on lawyers.

00:35:55.740 And it sounds like James O'Keefe spends more than a million.

00:35:59.380 So, I mean, obviously we win most of them, but it's the process that's the punishment.

00:36:03.900 So, if you're out $350,000, but you won too many more of those victories and we're doomed, wouldn't you agree?

00:36:10.900 All right, folks, that's my show for today.

00:36:13.600 And that brings us to the close of the week.

00:36:15.120 I should tell you what I'm doing on Sunday.

00:36:17.900 On Saturday night, I'm flying to Manchester in the United Kingdom.

00:36:22.960 And I'll be there on Sunday.

00:36:24.720 So, I'm flying overnight.

00:36:25.400 And Sunday, I'll be in Manchester when the results of Tommy Robinson's election are announced.

00:36:31.900 And we will be having a three-hour live stream show, an election night special from the UK.

00:36:38.200 The election was yesterday, but the results won't be coming until Sunday night.

00:36:42.400 I don't know.

00:36:42.760 That's just how they do it over there.

00:36:44.320 So, if you're curious, I mean, not all our viewers care about Tommy Robinson.

00:36:47.360 Fair enough.

00:36:47.680 You don't have to.

00:36:48.200 But for those who do, join me and Jessica S., our student journalist.

00:36:53.180 And we'll be doing a three-hour election night special from the UK on Sunday night.

00:36:57.500 So, I hope you join us there.

00:36:58.700 And I will be doing my Monday monologue from the UK as well.

00:37:04.180 We'll be back on Tuesday.

00:37:05.600 All right, folks, that's it.

00:37:07.420 Until next time, we'll see you on Sunday night.

00:37:09.420 That live stream show, by the way, starts at 9 p.m. Manchester time, which is 4 p.m. in Toronto, 2 p.m. in Calgary, 1 p.m. in BC.

00:37:22.400 So, it'll be sort of afternoon-ish here in Canada, even though it's at night there in the UK.

00:37:28.120 All right, folks, until then, keep fighting for freedom.

00:37:30.940 Bye-bye.

00:37:39.420 Bye-bye.

Rebel News Podcast - May 25, 2019

What kind of judge would let accused terrorists out on bail？ A Canadian judge.

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