Rebel News Podcast - Who is more submissive to Communist China — Justin Trudeau or Joe Biden？

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00:00:03.860 Who is more submissive to Communist China, Justin Trudeau or Joe Biden? Oh, it's a tougher call to

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00:00:56.640 Tonight, who is more submissive to Communist China, Justin Trudeau or Joe Biden? It's

00:01:02.060 February 17, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:07.140 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:10.860 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:14.940 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody

00:01:19.820 right to do so. Seriously, who is more pro-China, Joe Biden or Justin Trudeau? You'd think it would

00:01:30.320 be impossible for anyone to top this, Trudeau's super gross statement that China was the country

00:01:36.620 he most admired, specifically because of its dictatorship. There's a level of admiration I

00:01:43.980 actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn

00:01:53.640 their economy around on a dime. I mean, come on, how can anyone ever beat that? That's the goat,

00:01:59.580 as the kids would say, the greatest of all time. Well, look at this from Biden's TV town hall last

00:02:05.440 night. You know, Chinese leaders, if you know anything about Chinese history, it has always been

00:02:12.040 the time when China has been victimized by the outer world is when they haven't been unified at

00:02:18.660 home. So the central, vastly overstated, the central principle of Xi Jinping is that there must be a

00:02:27.600 united, tightly controlled China. And he uses his rationale for the things he does based on that.

00:02:34.320 I point out to him, no American president can be sustained as a president if he doesn't reflect 0.96

00:02:39.440 the values of the United States. And so the idea, I'm not going to speak out against what he's doing

00:02:45.220 in Hong Kong, what he's doing with the Uyghurs in Western mountains of China and Taiwan trying to end the 1.00

00:02:54.400 one China policy by making it forceful. I said, and by the way, he said he gets it.

00:03:00.920 He really said that? Oh my God, I shouldn't laugh. I'm sorry I laughed. He said China is the victim.

00:03:08.980 Presumably that means America is the oppressor. He said China needs to tightly control its people.

00:03:16.580 He said he's not going to speak out for Hong Kong or the Uyghurs. Hong Kong, which has been 1.00

00:03:21.880 semi-autonomous as part of their agreement with the UK for the return of that city.

00:03:26.360 He doesn't care. And he lumps in Taiwan, a separate independent sovereign country.

00:03:31.960 Biden just lumped Taiwan in as if it's some province of China and they can do with it what

00:03:36.780 they like. And then he loses his train of thought for a minute and then just reaches for one of his

00:03:42.000 catch-all phrases. When he forgets something, he gets it. What? What? But his key message is

00:03:47.920 totalitarianism is a cultural norm in China. And the leaders there have to be bullies and tyrants 0.94

00:03:53.700 because their people want it and expect it? I really think he meant what he said. If there

00:04:01.100 was any doubt about it, well, too bad. CNN didn't feel like asking him any follow-up questions

00:04:06.940 on that astounding statement. Here's a reply from a Uyghur leader in exile. That's the people in the

00:04:14.160 western province of Xinjiang. President of the United States should know that nothing can be a

00:04:19.040 justification for genocide. Hitler attempted to create a greater German Reich through aggression, 0.67

00:04:25.760 invasion of neighboring countries, and the Holocaust of millions of Jews and others.

00:04:29.480 Xi, that's the president of China, is doing the same thing today and must be stopped.

00:04:35.020 That's pretty tough stuff, but it's true. I think there are reasons to call what's going on in China a 1.00

00:04:39.380 genocide against the Uyghur people in the western province of Xinjiang, against Tibet, really.

00:04:44.880 They have concentration camps in Xinjiang. They have labor camps, forced labor camps.

00:04:51.900 I don't think they have death camps like Hitler did, so that's a distinction. But on the other

00:04:56.820 hand, there are credible reports of mass rapes and torture at the hands of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:05:02.760 And overlay on top, the Chinese Communist Party's approach to ethnic cleansing. They relocate millions 0.96

00:05:09.140 of ethnic Han Chinese people into Tibet and into Xinjiang to dilute the local indigenous character of

00:05:17.780 these different ethnicities. China is made up of many different regions and peoples, really. They're not 0.94

00:05:24.000 all Chinese in the ethnic sense. It is the explicit policy of the Communist Party of China to replace

00:05:29.880 local identities, especially religious identities and ethnic identities, with an obedience to the Chinese 0.71

00:05:35.780 Communist Party, which also happens to be dominated by the Han ethnicity. I've seen a verified translation of

00:05:41.700 this next video. In Xinjiang province, children are separated from their natural families and reprogrammed to

00:05:48.260 worship the state as their family. Here's a tweet. In this Xinjiang camp, Uyghur children are forcefully separated from

00:05:57.640 the parents in order to chant, my mother is China, we love our mother, we love China. So yeah. So maybe Biden beats Trudeau in the

00:06:09.080 Communist Olympics, after all. Speaking of Olympics, Canada doesn't have a bad word to say about the Olympics, which are being held in China again.

00:06:17.560 I know that it's not a government decision per se when it comes to the Olympics. You're well familiar, I'm sure, about whether or not

00:06:22.920 the call, sorry, to boycott the 2022 Olympics in Beijing. Will this government be sending, if it does go ahead, representatives from the government to those games?

00:06:33.420 It's a good question. I don't have the answer for you on that. I can only speak to what you said about the Canadian Olympic Committee making the decision about

00:06:42.400 about the athletes themselves. I would have to, I would have to get back to you on that. I don't know what the situation is with respect to that. That is something that typically comes under the Minister of Heritage.

00:06:58.100 Yeah, or the Minister of Sport. I'm just wondering, as Minister of Foreign Affairs, based on what you know so far about how China has treated its Uyghur population, if you think it would be appropriate to send a representative from your government to those games, should they go ahead?

00:07:10.380 Well, that will be a government decision, and India is the Minister of Heritage, who is also the Minister of Sport, who ultimately will be at the centre of that decision.

00:07:21.740 So you don't have a position on that at this point?

00:07:24.780 I don't have a position on that at this point.

00:07:27.260 That's leadership, eh? So I think it's fair to say there is a genocide of the Uyghur people. It's not in the same methods of the Nazi Holocaust. Holocaust comes from the word meaning everything burning.

00:07:38.380 You wouldn't have seen concentration camps where the Jews in Nazi Germany were being brainwashed into good little Aryan Nazis praising Hitler. 0.84

00:07:50.320 So it's not kill all the Uyghurs. 0.99

00:07:53.360 The final solution for Xi Jinping is to undermine Uyghur history and religion and culture and identity and family and economy and demographics.

00:08:01.420 It really is ethnic cleansing, but they're not trying to murder every Uyghur.

00:08:05.980 They're trying to brainwash the identity out of their kids' minds. 1.00

00:08:10.020 And sure, they will kill and rape countless along the way. 1.00

00:08:12.940 I think it's a pretty good analogy. 0.99

00:08:16.380 And neither Biden nor Garneau have a problem with that.

00:08:20.140 And here's Justin Trudeau on that specific question of Uyghur genocide.

00:08:24.080 What more evidence does your government need to see before it concludes whether or not a genocide is occurring in China?

00:08:30.460 And given we're even discussing the possibility of a genocide, is Beijing an appropriate venue for the Olympics?

00:08:36.000 First of all, on determinations of genocide, the principles of international law and the international community in general,

00:08:49.400 I think rightly takes very, very seriously the label of genocide and needs to ensure that when it is used,

00:08:59.600 it is clearly and properly justified and demonstrated so as not to weaken the application of genocide in situations in the past.

00:09:14.840 And that's why it's a word that is extremely loaded and is certainly something that we should be looking at in the case of the Uyghurs. 1.00

00:09:23.800 And I know the international community is looking very carefully at that, and we are certainly among them.

00:09:28.540 And we will not hesitate from being part of the determinations around these sorts of things.

00:09:35.060 We have been consistent in our concerns and our condemnation of human rights violations around the world,

00:09:43.620 including the situations in Hong Kong and in Xinjiang and elsewhere.

00:09:48.620 We will continue to work with the international community and move forward on making the right determinations based on facts and evidence.

00:09:58.200 So Trudeau doesn't think he wants to call it a genocide, eh?

00:10:02.280 That word has to be reserved for the truly nasty countries, right? 0.99

00:10:06.580 Yeah, like Canada?

00:10:08.600 We accept the findings of the commissioners that it was genocide.

00:10:13.360 Incredible.

00:10:13.920 He really loves the Chinese Communist Party, the dictatorship itself.

00:10:18.200 He really hates us.

00:10:19.400 I remember that question about which country he loves the most.

00:10:22.660 It was phrased, which country other than Canada do you most admire?

00:10:26.460 But I wonder if he actually admires China and its basic dictatorship more than he admires Canada itself.

00:10:34.440 He calls us genociders, but he won't say that about them.

00:10:38.460 I wonder how he'd answer that question straight up, which country is more admirable.

00:10:42.660 Well, maybe we have the answer.

00:10:46.700 You might have seen this story.

00:10:48.800 Trudeau is giving a $4.8 million grant to Huawei, the massive Chinese tech company controlled by the CCP.

00:10:54.140 It's also the company for which Meng Wanzhou is the chief financial officer.

00:10:57.780 Remember her?

00:10:58.160 She's the one arrested in Vancouver for fraud on trial to be extradited to the U.S. 0.74

00:11:03.080 And, of course, China kidnapped two Canadians in revenge.

00:11:06.480 By the way, I bet Biden lets Meng Wanzhou go. 0.79

00:11:09.020 I just bet you that'll happen.

00:11:10.480 But Trudeau, he just gave Meng Wanzhou a $4.8 million grant to her company.

00:11:17.320 For high-tech research that will benefit China's military apparatus,

00:11:21.140 it will probably be used to spy on Tibet and Taiwan and the Uyghurs.

00:11:24.280 Oh, and on us, too.

00:11:26.020 Even top liberals are stunned.

00:11:28.920 Look at this story in the Globe and Mail.

00:11:31.740 Senior liberal MP urges Trudeau cabinet to wake up and smell the roses on China.

00:11:35.960 The Liberal chair of the Commons Finance Committee says a budget recommendation calling on Ottawa to pull out of the Beijing-backed Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank should serve as a wake-up-and-smell-the-roses moment for Canada.

00:11:48.720 So he's talking about a different grant to China.

00:11:51.620 Trudeau can't stop giving foreign aid to the world's richest country.

00:11:54.260 Liberal MP Wayne Easter, who also served as Solicitor General under Jean Chrétien, in charge of Canada's security agencies,

00:12:02.140 told the Globe and Mail Tuesday that Canada needs to recognize the serious threat China poses to Western democracies.

00:12:08.320 He also criticized the fact that universities are still conducting research projects with Chinese terminal communications giant Huawei Technologies.

00:12:15.260 The Finance Committee, in a report Tuesday, made the recommendation to withdraw from the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank,

00:12:23.760 which the Trudeau government joined in 2017 with plans to contribute $995 million U.S.

00:12:31.300 Just one more line from this story.

00:12:33.940 It has got to be so frustrating for CSIS, Mr. Easter said.

00:12:37.700 China is trying to infiltrate itself into the university system.

00:12:41.080 They are playing a game, and we better recognize Huawei is just an arm of China.

00:12:44.460 So, Wayne Easter isn't just a junior guy.

00:12:47.260 Now, he's not an inner circle guy.

00:12:50.500 That's Gerald Butts and Katie Telford and some U.S. consultants.

00:12:53.980 So, Easter's not really inner circle, but he's pretty senior.

00:12:57.320 28 years he's been a liberal MP now.

00:13:00.620 And he can't believe what Trudeau's doing with China.

00:13:03.100 And he's speaking out.

00:13:04.220 That is not common in the Liberal Party.

00:13:06.320 So, yeah, like I say, who's more submissive to Congress China?

00:13:11.460 Justin Trudeau or Joe Biden?

00:13:12.800 Stay with us.

00:13:21.520 Welcome back.

00:13:27.200 Well, as you may know, Canada is in the, I don't know, the 60th place in the world in terms of delivering the vaccine.

00:13:35.840 Now, there are plenty of reasons to be skeptical about a vaccine rushed to market, a vaccine that interacts with your own body's RNA, a vaccine for a disease that has a 99.9% recovery rate for the general population.

00:13:51.520 But for those who want it, let them have it.

00:13:55.300 Alas, they can't get it in Canada because Justin Trudeau has bungled pretty much his one job.

00:14:01.520 And it's something the media party actually cares about because they believe with perfect faith in these vaccines.

00:14:06.580 And like I say, if you want it, feel free to have it.

00:14:09.460 But Trudeau screwed it up.

00:14:11.080 I think it's so bad that he's possibly delaying what's so obviously his plan for a spring election.

00:14:18.840 So what do you do when you're in 60th place in the world for vaccine delivery, which has become the ultimate test of how progressive you are?

00:14:30.640 Well, you switch the subject.

00:14:33.260 You start calling people your enemies, Nazis.

00:14:36.820 You call the Proud Boys a terrorist group.

00:14:39.280 And you go for that old standby.

00:14:41.060 You ban firearms again.

00:14:45.880 And joining us now via Skype from True North Wire is our friend Andrew Lawton.

00:14:51.140 Our friend and reporter over there, host of The Andrew Lawton Show, and a firearms expert.

00:14:56.840 I'm not going to say an expert, but certainly an aficionado who knows the rules.

00:15:00.360 Am I right?

00:15:01.760 Well, absolutely.

00:15:02.920 And you have to if you're a gun owner in Canada, Ezra, because the risk if you run afoul of those rules can be imprisonment.

00:15:10.440 So maybe you are an expert.

00:15:12.000 Certainly, I think everyone who has a firearm has to become an expert because the rules change and they're so weird.

00:15:19.280 I've got a great story by True North in front of me here.

00:15:21.820 The headline is, Liberal Gun Bill Bans Toy Guns That Look Like Real Firearms.

00:15:29.680 Is that true?

00:15:31.300 So do we all have to be gun law experts, even those of us who don't have firearms but have like toys around the house?

00:15:38.680 Do we have to become an expert too?

00:15:41.140 Well, you may.

00:15:41.960 In fact, this is an interesting story because a couple of years ago, I think Apple was the first one to do it.

00:15:47.780 They changed the gun emoji to look less like a real firearm.

00:15:52.420 And they changed it to one that was this like bright neon green squirt gun looking thing with an orange tip on it.

00:15:58.780 And it was so absurd because they were trying to avoid having, I guess, some sort of violent imagery, even though there are other things and emojis that you'd think would be more problematic.

00:16:07.120 But that's actually what's happening with real guns now.

00:16:09.720 When I was a kid, if you got a gun, you wanted it to look really cool and really like a real gun.

00:16:14.800 Whereas now the only ones you're going to be allowed to have are the bright green neon Nerf gun or squirt gun type things.

00:16:20.580 Because one of the aspects of this, and again, it's a long bill and this was just one paragraph, but it jumped out to me.

00:16:26.360 In the bill, update the criminal code to ensure that any device, including an unregulated air gun that looks like a conventional regulated firearm is prohibited for the purposes of import, export, sale and transfer.

00:16:41.980 So if little Timmy has a realistic looking airsoft gun, he can keep it.

00:16:46.220 But if he wants to give it to a friend, if he wants to buy a new one, that's going to be illegal once this law is passed.

00:16:51.140 Now, airsoft, I'm not an expert in it, but I heard Sheila Gunn-Reed say that's a gun that fires soft things that actually don't hurt when you get hit. 0.99

00:17:00.540 Is that true?

00:17:01.980 Yeah, I mean, it's like a pellet gun, but not even with a BB.

00:17:05.920 They're meant to shoot each other like paintballs, except they don't cover you in paint.

00:17:09.520 They just hit you and maybe they sting a little bit, but they are by definition toy guns.

00:17:14.400 But this, just to be clear, goes beyond that.

00:17:16.920 This says any device.

00:17:18.280 I mean, theoretically, if you had just a, you know, a paperweight that looked like a gun, even if it didn't shoot anything out of it, that would be illegal under this.

00:17:26.500 That's crazy.

00:17:28.460 I don't think we have a problem in Canada with airsoft guns.

00:17:32.460 I live in Toronto, Canada's most crime-ridden city, not proportionally, but I mean, it's such a big city.

00:17:38.320 There's so much crime here.

00:17:39.740 There's a very interesting website that is published by the Toronto Police Service.

00:17:44.120 And they, every day, update their shootings in the city so far this year page.

00:17:50.480 It's quite a detailed page, and it compares it with past years.

00:17:55.040 And a quick inspection of it shows that gun crime in Toronto under Mayor John Tory has tripled.

00:18:02.820 So I think there is a shooting problem in Toronto.

00:18:06.280 The stats sure say so.

00:18:07.760 But it's not the farmers and duck hunters that are being targeted by this law, is it?

00:18:14.540 No.

00:18:15.240 And just to put that into perspective, we know that most gun owners tend to be in rural areas or smaller communities around the country, Alberta, Saskatchewan.

00:18:24.680 If legal gun ownership were correlated to gun crime, we would see gun crime in rural Alberta, in rural Saskatchewan, in southwestern Ontario, in eastern Ontario.

00:18:35.020 That's not where we're seeing it.

00:18:36.540 Where we see gun crime is in the cities, is in Toronto, as one notable example, also Montreal to some extent.

00:18:42.960 Places that, really, by any measure, are very low in terms of lawful ownership of restricted guns like handguns.

00:18:52.060 So you're very right to point that out.

00:18:53.660 The problem is not the law-abiding gun ownership.

00:18:57.720 And one, as well, point that is missing here from the discourse tends to be that we do not even have any national tracking of where the guns used in crimes are.

00:19:07.500 Every now and then, an individual police force that recovers one will try to track where it came from.

00:19:12.740 Certainly, this happened with the Nova Scotia shooting, and they found out that not one of them was legally owned or legally purchased.

00:19:19.740 But the thing is, we do not, as a rule, track this.

00:19:22.980 So when we are talking about guns being on the street, the government is deliberately ignoring that most of these are imported illegally from overseas, mainly from the United States, with whom we share an unprotected border.

00:19:36.180 But the reason they're not tracking it is because they know it will deflate the myth that guns purchased by people like me are somehow meandering their way through the system to end up in the hand of a gangster when that just isn't happening.

00:19:49.620 Hmm. Hey, can I ask you something?

00:19:52.280 Please.

00:19:54.180 Aaron O'Toole has been the leader of the Conservative Party for about six months.

00:19:57.780 I don't see a honeymoon for him in the media or the polls.

00:20:01.900 I was looking at a poll from the Innovative Research Group, that's Greg Lyle's polling company, and he's actually dipping down.

00:20:08.220 I think all the polls show that.

00:20:09.380 And so I'm looking at Aaron O'Toole, I'm saying, is he going to fight for these things?

00:20:16.500 When Trudeau banned the Proud Boys as a terrorist group, it was unanimous.

00:20:21.960 It was after a unanimous vote in Parliament.

00:20:24.420 Every Conservative voted for it.

00:20:26.320 I see there's censorship moves afoot by Stephen Gilbeau.

00:20:29.380 I don't see any opposition to it from the Conservatives.

00:20:32.100 Maybe I've missed it.

00:20:32.840 And now I'm worried and wondering, and they, you know, shuffled out Pierre Polyev, got rid of Derek Sloan.

00:20:42.160 They're being mean to us, the rebel again.

00:20:44.580 And so I wonder, and I'm hoping you have a positive answer here, has the Conservative Party of Canada challenged this new gun grab?

00:20:55.380 Or is this something else they're afraid to talk about because it's too right-wing?

00:20:59.760 Well, gun ownership has always been a safe and solid issue for Conservatives. 0.98

00:21:05.960 I don't think you pick up votes by being pro-gun, because I think most gun owners tend to already be Conservative.

00:21:11.680 But you do energize your base, and you do give people a reason to show up.

00:21:15.280 Whereas if a gun owner feels like the Conservatives aren't going to do anything for them, they just aren't going to be there.

00:21:20.080 They just aren't going to show up in the polls.

00:21:21.700 They aren't going to volunteer.

00:21:22.840 They aren't going to donate.

00:21:24.060 So this is something that Conservatives need.

00:21:26.180 You know, and as much as I say they aren't going to get votes on guns, you will lose votes by not standing up for gun owners, by not standing up for your base in general.

00:21:35.180 Yesterday, a Conservative MP in the Shadow Cabinet, Shannon Stubbs, sent out a statement condemning this, and the party put it out.

00:21:43.220 But I haven't heard anything from Aaron O'Toole yet.

00:21:45.540 So I always find it interesting when the Conservative Party decides to put someone who's lesser known as the voice on an issue, rather than having Aaron O'Toole get out there and say, listen, this is something we need to push back again.

00:21:57.980 So it's not to say he won't run against it.

00:21:59.980 I know he was in the leadership, generally speaking, pro-gun in my conversations with him and ones that I saw elsewhere.

00:22:06.880 But I haven't heard anything just yet.

00:22:08.480 Well, I'm a little bit nervous of what you just said.

00:22:12.320 I know Shannon Stubbs, I like her.

00:22:14.720 But she's not, I don't think she's the justice critic or the public safety critic.

00:22:21.680 And I'm embarrassing myself.

00:22:23.340 I don't know who those critics are, Andrew, without Googling it, because they haven't exactly made a mark.

00:22:29.120 I mean, I could literally Google it right now as we're talking.

00:22:32.240 I'm a little embarrassed.

00:22:33.560 Do you know who the public safety critic is for the Conservatives?

00:22:36.440 Like, I want them to speak up.

00:22:38.680 She is the public safety critic.

00:22:40.180 Oh, she is. 0.88

00:22:41.120 Shannon Stubbs is the public safety critic.

00:22:42.720 OK, well, that's better than nothing.

00:22:44.500 And I'm sorry I didn't know that.

00:22:46.280 And I'm a victim of my own joke, because I always ask people, can you name this critic or that critic?

00:22:51.480 And I'm not trying to trick anyone.

00:22:53.600 It's just I haven't seen her really in the news a lot.

00:22:56.240 OK, I'm thrilled.

00:22:57.060 No, but I think your point's well taken.

00:22:58.860 I mean, when you look at who the high-profile members of the Conservative shadow cabinet are,

00:23:02.560 I'd say the only one that comes to mind, or the only two, would be Michel Rempel and Pierre

00:23:08.640 Paulyev, who was up until last week in finance and then got shuffled out of that.

00:23:12.600 So I still think the point stands.

00:23:15.380 Well, and that's the thing.

00:23:16.340 I've been following this thesis now that Erin O'Toole wants to tack to the left. 1.00

00:23:21.940 He's willing to sacrifice the more rambunctious Conservatives, the most populous Conservatives,

00:23:26.480 if it gets him some breakthroughs in Ontario, or as it's more commonly referred to in the media,

00:23:32.700 vote-rich Ontario.

00:23:34.280 And my point is, if we actually saw that strategy having a chance of working,

00:23:38.180 I could respect it for its pragmatism.

00:23:40.940 I could say, all right, I don't like the fact that they're de-emphasizing Conservative values,

00:23:45.600 but if they're actually going to stop Trudeau, I'll put some water in my wine, maybe.

00:23:50.560 But I don't see the pickup in Ontario to match the deflated, you know, Conservative base.

00:23:59.580 Do you think he's—I don't know.

00:24:01.400 I mean, I bet Trudeau wants to trick and trap the Conservatives into being a caricature of a right-wing party.

00:24:09.080 But I think they should be sophisticated enough to be a smart, calm, appealing right-wing party.

00:24:15.200 I think there's a middle way between being rock-ribbed Conservative and being a Liberal Me Too.

00:24:21.380 There should be a smart way to communicate Conservative message like Ronald Reagan did. 0.92

00:24:26.120 A beautiful way of talking about Conservative values that actually picks up votes.

00:24:30.260 I don't know, you've depressed me a little bit by saying Aaron O'Toole himself hasn't weighed in.

00:24:34.920 The challenge is that I think Conservatives are always chasing after the 2011 result.

00:24:39.960 This is the year Stephen Harper went from a minority to a majority.

00:24:43.200 Huge gains in the 905 and huge gains in—to some extent, even in B.C.

00:24:49.500 And ultimately held on to the base in Alberta, Saskatchewan, a lot of Manitoba, and so on.

00:24:55.600 But there were a lot of factors there that we can't necessarily replicate.

00:24:59.560 Chief among them, the NDP surge in Quebec, Liberals that tended to not have much enthusiasm.

00:25:05.720 Whereas whatever we say in our circles about Justin Trudeau,

00:25:08.920 he does still have an energy and does still resonate with the base,

00:25:13.060 which is why, through all the scandals, he was re-elected pretty handily,

00:25:16.940 even if it was in a minority in the last election in 2019.

00:25:21.320 At the same time, Conservatives have to understand that there's a difference between expanding the tent

00:25:26.080 and moving the tent.

00:25:27.360 And the ideal thing—and this is what I think we saw on Reagan,

00:25:31.200 and I'm glad you brought him up as an example—is to better communicate and articulate what you believe,

00:25:36.380 why it's the best vision, not to just change your beliefs.

00:25:39.740 And this is a trap into which a lot of Conservatives fall,

00:25:42.800 where they think that, oh, well, the people on the far right, so to speak,

00:25:45.580 are always going to be there.

00:25:46.840 We can just shift this Overton window ever so slightly to the left,

00:25:50.080 and people won't notice.

00:25:51.040 The left will like it.

00:25:52.160 And the right, well, who else are they going to vote for?

00:25:54.080 But what we've seen in the era of the Jim Carahalioses, the Maxime Berniers,

00:25:58.580 and even just people staying home,

00:26:00.520 a lot of people are completely content to disengage

00:26:03.580 if they don't feel like there's a Conservative Party that's representing them.

00:26:08.020 And this is why the Conservatives cannot abandon their base,

00:26:11.000 no matter how tempting it is, to pick up votes in what you term,

00:26:14.400 I think, very accurately, because we hear it in the media,

00:26:16.860 that vote-rich Ontario.

00:26:19.000 Yeah, you know, you remind me of what Stephen Harper did

00:26:22.020 when he took over the party about 20 years ago.

00:26:26.020 First thing he did was he spoke to the breakaway MPs,

00:26:29.980 Monty Solberg, Jay Hill, Deborah Gray, who were mad at Stockwell Day.

00:26:34.400 They had created a little splittist party called

00:26:36.840 the Democratic Representative Caucus.

00:26:39.380 That's a piece of trivia for you.

00:26:41.880 But so there was about a dozen of them.

00:26:43.620 He brought them back in.

00:26:45.360 Then his next project was merging the Canadian Alliance

00:26:48.000 with Peter McKay's Progressive Conservatives.

00:26:51.460 So Stephen Harper didn't just win by being conservative.

00:26:56.380 He won by building a coalition, putting things together.

00:27:00.700 He wasn't a splittist.

00:27:02.620 He actually was a coalescer, a coalition builder.

00:27:07.200 I don't know if we're seeing that now.

00:27:09.040 Last word to you.

00:27:09.840 Do you agree with me of my thesis that Aaron O'Toole

00:27:14.660 is tacking to the left and shucking off

00:27:17.180 more controversial aspects of the party

00:27:19.660 in an attempt to appeal to the centre in Ontario?

00:27:23.400 Would you agree with my assessment

00:27:24.840 or do you think I'm misreading it?

00:27:27.700 It's tough to say.

00:27:28.820 I don't know if he's tacking left,

00:27:30.760 but I will say that he's choosing to elevate stories

00:27:33.920 that don't need to be stories.

00:27:35.440 And I think the Derek Sloan expulsion

00:27:37.020 is a great example of that.

00:27:38.320 People are going to kick and scream about Derek Sloan

00:27:41.120 because people on the left don't like him.

00:27:44.160 Had he not been kicked out of caucus,

00:27:46.880 they would have continued.

00:27:48.060 But it ceases to be a story after a certain point.

00:27:51.080 So you make it a story by going into that.

00:27:53.360 You make enemies and you don't make any friends

00:27:55.640 because the people that wanted you to get rid of him

00:27:57.460 were still not going to support you.

00:27:59.820 They just scored a political win.

00:28:02.260 And that's, I guess, the one thing

00:28:03.700 I would be very concerned about.

00:28:05.440 Listen, it was not even a full year ago

00:28:08.180 that Aaron O'Toole laid out

00:28:09.980 what he said was the true blue vision.

00:28:12.020 There was a lot in that leadership platform

00:28:13.800 that he can be held to

00:28:15.540 when his actual platform comes out

00:28:17.840 whenever the next election is.

00:28:19.300 So I think that there is still going to be

00:28:21.400 a lot that we need to see.

00:28:22.760 One of them is defunding CBC.

00:28:25.100 That was a very key plank.

00:28:26.560 You can't walk away from something that unequivocal.

00:28:29.020 Yeah.

00:28:29.200 Well, I remember you did the masterful interview

00:28:32.060 of Aaron O'Toole in what would have been

00:28:34.800 the leaders' debate,

00:28:35.600 and we had a couple of candidates chicken out.

00:28:37.520 So you probably interviewed Aaron O'Toole more deeply

00:28:41.100 and more fairly, I might add,

00:28:43.380 than anyone ever has done.

00:28:45.280 So I very much look forward

00:28:46.640 to your analysis of the party's platform

00:28:50.020 and to compare it to his leadership platform

00:28:52.620 when that time comes

00:28:53.820 because you'll be the key authority on that.

00:28:55.860 Listen, it's great to chat with you, my friend,

00:28:58.120 and I give you full points for knowing

00:29:00.660 Shannon Stubbs' critic's title,

00:29:02.600 and I did not.

00:29:03.640 I'm embarrassed by my own joke

00:29:05.040 that I should have known

00:29:06.360 who the public safety critic was,

00:29:08.820 but I just didn't.

00:29:09.740 Good for you for knowing it.

00:29:10.980 I look forward to talking to you in the weeks ahead.

00:29:13.300 Likewise.

00:29:13.960 All right, there you have it.

00:29:14.780 Andrew Lawton of The Andrew Lawton Show,

00:29:17.340 and he's with TNC.U.

00:29:19.460 Stay with us more ahead.

00:29:25.860 Hey there, on my show last night, James writes,

00:29:35.240 O'Toole is a no-win candidate,

00:29:36.720 I suspect worse than Scheer.

00:29:38.920 Well, look, the polls say it's going to be worse.

00:29:41.140 Look, it's tough to beat an incumbent

00:29:42.440 during the pandemic.

00:29:44.300 So far in Canada, incumbents are winning

00:29:46.140 and strengthening their majorities.

00:29:49.100 And look, the media is so in love with Trudeau,

00:29:50.920 they'll give him a big boost anyways.

00:29:53.080 Thomas writes, sad to say,

00:29:54.120 maybe O'Toole losing will be what it takes

00:29:55.680 to get rid of him.

00:29:57.100 And if Scheer got more votes

00:29:58.120 than Justin Trudeau last election,

00:29:59.860 Aaron O'Toole will get less.

00:30:02.160 Okay, so let's say that happens.

00:30:03.780 Who is in the wings?

00:30:06.200 Peter McKay, I'm getting depressed

00:30:07.760 just thinking about him.

00:30:09.380 Denise writes,

00:30:10.420 the obvious problem is that Aaron O'Toole

00:30:11.940 has yet to make clear what difference it would make

00:30:13.800 if his party were governing

00:30:15.020 rather than the Liberal Party.

00:30:16.440 If he fails to help rein in the COVID hysteria,

00:30:18.420 which is destroying our country

00:30:19.500 and participates in cancel culture,

00:30:21.420 he's just a knockoff,

00:30:22.460 not a competitive brand.

00:30:24.120 Yeah, I mean, can I know what you stand for?

00:30:26.640 How about that?

00:30:27.920 And it's a good idea

00:30:29.680 because you're honest then

00:30:30.800 if you say,

00:30:31.300 well, here's what I actually stand for,

00:30:32.680 here's what I'm going to fight for.

00:30:33.680 You're honest,

00:30:34.260 now we can make a decision.

00:30:35.140 But also,

00:30:36.900 you're choosing your controversy.

00:30:39.200 What do I mean by that?

00:30:40.680 The other side in the campaign

00:30:42.060 is going to try and label you,

00:30:43.560 name you, brand you

00:30:44.660 with a controversial appellation.

00:30:48.260 So you can't avoid controversy.

00:30:50.580 So why don't you choose

00:30:51.420 the controversy that you want?

00:30:53.340 Take a stand against cancel culture. 0.64

00:30:55.460 That's controversial,

00:30:56.640 but in a good way.

00:30:58.160 Take a stand against unlimited mass migration.

00:31:01.820 That's controversial,

00:31:02.520 but in a good way.

00:31:03.740 Take a stand against lockdown mania.

00:31:06.020 Controversial,

00:31:06.580 but in a good way.

00:31:07.360 If you think you can avoid controversy,

00:31:09.780 you misunderstand the nature of politics.

00:31:13.040 The answer is to choose good controversies

00:31:14.920 that you actually believe in

00:31:16.240 that get support from the people

00:31:18.600 and say,

00:31:18.920 yeah, we want someone

00:31:19.760 to fight back on these issues.

00:31:21.000 I haven't seen that from Aaron O'Toole,

00:31:22.880 have you?

00:31:24.180 That's our show for today.

00:31:25.100 Until tomorrow,

00:31:26.040 on behalf of all of us here

00:31:27.080 at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:31:28.140 to you at home,

00:31:28.640 good night.

00:31:29.620 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:31:30.560 We'll see you next week.

00:31:47.460 The peace насوار is over again.

00:31:47.720 Once again on behalf of all of us here,

00:31:48.360 we'll see you soon.

00:31:49.220 The peace of mind is over again.

00:31:49.720 The peace of mind is over again.

00:31:51.100 The peace of mind is over again.

00:31:51.700 I think we understand what's happening.

00:31:52.360 I think we'll see you soon.

00:31:55.400 We'll see you next week.

00:31:56.960 Come on.

Rebel News Podcast - February 18, 2021

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